s02e13 — Memory of Tomorrow

@rowdyman: Yeah, I had just such a version :) Expected, of course...

@VIRUS: zhizka

@mynameisbang: 100% ))

@JerryS: man has always wanted to live forever. Isn't that motivation enough?

@JerryS: maybe I misunderstood something, but the goal of a child is to be born. After all, if all this does not happen, then Cassie and James will not meet, respectively, he will not be born. In short, something was greatly bent and complicated with these additional characters.

@demychris: In the red forest? From what we've been shown, the red forest is eternal death, not eternal life :)

@JerryS: He will definitely be born, because all this time it was he who told the 12 monkeys what to do. To prevent this from happening, Cole must not meet Cassie (does the butterfly effect remind you?). I suspect that the whole plague story was started precisely in order to bring these two together...

@Kseniia_xx: Well, for me, it turns out to be a vicious circle: if he/she was born (if he/she was destined to be born), then why arrange all this? Then why didn't he come before us, but this guy and his followers? I still think that this is either a specially created character, or something will happen in the future that will prevent the Witness from being born, since he goes back in time to "create" himself. (I got a headache thinking about it. )

@JerryS: and this is a paradox that 99% of the time travel series/movies leave unresolved, behind the scenes. It's a temporary loop. The beginning of the series is a consequence of what they came to at the end.

@Kseniia_xx: you are clearly a pessimist :) the beginning is the end, and the end is the beginning. so it all depends on which side to look at.

@demychris: and between the end/beginning and the beginning/end is life. If the end and the beginning are two points, and life is a line (conditionally, of course), then in the red forest these two points overlap each other, depriving a person of the continuum of life :)

@bunteeq: It's also true. But the principle of operation of Titanium remains incomprehensible to me. In the sense that both Ramsey and Cassie were on his territory, but Ramsey ended up in some wooded area with Olivia, and Cassie was in some very strange room, associatively connected in my head with all sorts of dystopias. Despite the fact that, as we can assume, the Scarred Man and Olivia have been feuding for some time.

@Kseniia_xx: Ramzi was taken out at that moment, he's at the same time as Katarina (sort of)

@Laggi: Yeah, he didn't seem to get fucked up.

@mynameisbang: It was Christmas in 1959, not 1958, if I'm not mistaken. That is, they lived together for less than a week, at the end of December 1959. I believe the house was bought in late November 1957, shortly before Cole's visit to the hospital to see Cass, when she had been in a coma for three weeks. And yes, the house was not theirs, but his from 1957 to 1959, although it was bought by kmk in the hope that they would live there together.

@MitLejk: понял

@Playstik: No, well, Cole has an intertemporal offspring of two wanderers, who is already being worshipped by a crowd of masked assholes before birth, and Ramsey has the son of some pathetic mortals. So in any case, the titanizer is more powerful)

@shareless: hahah

@shareless: he will give birth, he will return, xs. By the way, the tall grandfather said "the birth of two children is timeless.".. Is that, uh, who else? Why is the witness born out of time understandable, but the second one? Is Cassie having twins?) that's the twist)
He delivered the finale to me. Cool rescue of Ramsey and co., Hannah cheerfully waved a sword with a knife, blood from the sect splashed with gusto) the whole city is a time machine, norm. We've finally moved into the future. Well, what kind of medieval jokes are there - And what's to guess, we'll see in the third season.

@bunteeq: There were no two children there.
From English translations - "Born of two travelers outside of time".

@dimko209: koldfilm damn (not that good in English. Doesn't this mean "the birth of two time travelers"? Apparently, still, "from two"..

@bunteeq: Birth would be birth. Born is to be born.

@SMarley: yeah. Thanks) I was already thinking about it))

@shareless: I don't think she's going to die anymore, because Jennifer died too, but she's still alive.

@Godric-: In her speech, Jennifer used phrases from "The Lord of the Rings," "Braveheart," "Independence Day," and "The Incredible Adventures of Bill and Ted." Most likely, she is a film fan and makes references to various films, because she watched them countless times while she was in a psychiatric hospital, where her father imprisoned her for years. Sometimes this knowledge even helps her to inspire someone, to make a speech like this. :D

@Nikopol: Oh, how! So I'm not crazy after all))

And I like Atlantis from the Stargate spin-off.

@Stotsmnb311: Well, firstly, it doesn't matter at all whether it's a son or a daughter, and secondly, because it's a son. Because there were a lot of unequivocal hints that this was a man.

@Godric-: What other hints? It's just more logical to consider him a man, so they do it. But it is far from certain that this is the case.

@gkalian: And whose daughter is Olivia, then?

@Stotsmnb311: Olivia is also the daughter of a Messenger named Mantis. Unlike the Pale Man who is her real biological son, Olivia was grown in a test tube from her eggs by Dr. Kirchner. At the same time, Olivia's own eggs were used to create the Messengers in 2015. Which is a paradox in itself. Olivia is both a mother and a daughter, just like the Praying Mantis. Jennifer and Tommy Crawford talked about this several times during their visions.

@Nikopol: Thanks, now I remember more or less. The scriptwriters certainly confused everyone.

@Godric-: Why on earth would 2017 be Cassie's future? They've already broken the continuum that they can easily redo everything at any moment. 2017 was Cassie's original future, but now it's far from a fact. The witness will surely figure out how to save Mommy.

@Stotsmnb311: At the moment, the characters believe that Cassie's death in 2018 (in 2017 before they changed history in 2x02) is inevitable in order to start the chain of all events: Jones receives a message recorded by Cassandra, finds Cole, sends him to search for Cassie's remains, then sends him back in time ...
If you think about it, then her death in 2018, you can try to avoid it. Because the root cause of all the events was Cassie's radio message, not her death as such. Later, Cole found a watch on her alleged skeleton at the CDC. The watch is definitely hers. But it is impossible to say unequivocally that these are her remains, too. At 2x08, Lieutenant Foster said that Dr. Reilly's death had been confirmed by the military at the CDC. But they did not explain to us how true this information is, and how the military established that it was in the CDC. By delaying the epidemic, the heroes managed to postpone her death by at least a year until 2018. And this is despite the fact that in 1x09 Cassie died in Cole's arms at the CDC in 2017, having previously given him a note with the address of a still young Jones, which later saved his life in 1x12. It turns out that these events should still happen, despite the one-year offset? Or was her death at Cole's hands in a parallel timeline that only Cole himself had experienced?
Anyway, most likely the plot will lead to the fact that the characters will try to avoid Cassie's death, but start all the events that have already happened. This will require: Cassie's watch - 1 pc., a skeleton in a doctor's costume - 1 pc., Cassandra's voice recording - 1 pc. (a time machine for sending into the past in order to fabricate events is not included in the package).
In general, there is something to think about in the off-season.

@Nikopol: Как у вас все сложно. Я мыслю гораздо шире - герои просто попьют чайку из красных листьев и сварганят необходимую им временную линию.

@Stotsmnb311: " Я мыслю гораздо шире", спасибо, поржал знатно...сколько у тебя было тупые и плоских теорий в разных сериалах, сколько тебе приходилось объяснять простейшие вещи...шире он мыслит, ну скажет же)))

@Godric-: Опять ты до меня докапываешься. В данном случае тут сценаристы уже давно в такую ересь ушли что тут совершенно любая теория не будет глупой.

@Stotsmnb311: 2017 - ее будущее, потому что в нем она умрет - закончится ее цикл, если хотите. Разве что, с ней произойдет то же, что с Дженнифер...

@Stotsmnb311: два уже прошли) бум бум что ли)

@demychris: Я знаю. Человек написал что два сезона еще БУДЕТ. Я и спрашиваю с чего он так решил.

@Stotsmnb311: вам показалось

@demychris: Последнюю фразу сообщения gkalian читайте внимательнее. И вообще - чего вы за него то отвечаете?

@Stotsmnb311: показалось человеку. это всего лишь догадки. хотя я не против, если будет еще 2 сезона

@Stotsmnb311: О необходимости 4 сезонов для рассказа задуманной истории целиком во многочисленных интервью говорил Терри Маталас, один из создателей и продюсеров сериала. Но решит эту участь конечно же канал SyFy в будущем году.

@Stotsmnb311: ну и жили бы себе вечно в красном лесу. и без всяких свидетелей. но Джеймс никогда не искал легких путей...

@demychris: меня определенно кто-то ненавидит

@demychris: это месть двенадцати обезьян

@Kseniia_xx: а он разве не умер?

@iWill: Да это просто жалкие отмазки, чтобы не формулировать точные законы вселенной сериала. Думать не хотят =(

@АлинаКипр: и Рамзи

@АлинаКипр: скорее "или Дикона" :)