Warren has become quite impudent. I got used to the fact that the wife-boss will cover him and does whatever she wants. He had no choice, he couldn't see the elevator, the adrenaline was going through the roof, blah blah blah. And the fact that he killed a woman and her newborn because of his self-confidence, this is so, collateral damage. In any case, there was no particular remorse in him. Only the desire to prove that he was right and continue as if nothing had happened. They suspended him for half a year, he also started pumping his rights as they dared. Bailey is good too. After he opened the patient with a folder, to suspend him for only 3 days is bravo. She untied his hands, also undermined her authority among colleagues, well done. It is clear that he is her husband, but, damn it, you are doctors, your mistakes are someone's death, learn to separate your personal life and work! It's good that in the end she pulled herself together and began to think like a boss at work, and not like a wife. Vanguard that they will divorce / disperse soon - it's not for nothing that the whole season focused on the fact that Ben stopped feeling like a man in this relationship. All the other lines somehow even pale in comparison with this hell. April and Avery made up-well done. Arizona decided to fight for the child - and just talk to Kelly is not given at first? Riggs /Hunt showdown is already boring, to be honest. They walk in the same circle. Of course, this will be delayed until the season finale, so that later Hunt's sister can be epically introduced into the series (not all Meredith's new sisters will appear). The situation with the lost child, it turns out, was just for the bait, well, okay.
@nastena_enot: you know, I subscribe to your every word. It feels like April and Jackson's situation didn't teach Arizona anything. And as for Hunt's sister, I also think that she will appear epically and tell how she miraculously survived and lost her memory, and then something happened and she remembered who she is.
@nastena_enot: It's no use talking to Callie. She's her own mother, and Arizona is just nobody. But the scene at the lawyer's was great, I thought April was sitting there. Bailey is absolutely right. If someone else had been in Warren's place, he would have been fired for sure. Remember how Mer was fired for ruining Derek's experiment (when they were trying to find a cure for Alzheimer's). Despite the fact that Mer did not kill anyone then, but simply replaced the placebo with medicine. Ben also killed two people here and is still angry at Miranda.
@Vitos84: I don't think that people who are not related to surgery can say "killed". An operation, especially in such an extreme situation, is something that cannot be divided into "black" and "white". Yes, there was an elevator, but he really could not digest it.yes, he defends his decision, but how else? He is a surgeon, although not the most experienced, but a surgeon.if the heroes of the series did not do the same, they would not be admired.people died, yes.but they could have survived.this is life, and it's too delicate a situation...
@katena18: Do you remember the conversation of residents eating chips and how Stephanie says that all operations are like a drug, and those outside the operating room are doubly high? I don't think what was said was accidental. He saw the door, 100%, but as they say, "I've already tuned in."
Aaaa.. Arizona... Seriously? When will you learn to think first and then do it??? I just had to talk to Kelly first, and then I had to run to a lawyer. At least there was one happy moment in this episode where April and Jackson were standing in the parking lot. I hope that at least everything will get better for them. And then I feel that Shonda decided to simply destroy all the couples in this series...
Mdaaa.... well, it happens, as they say.... it was unpleasant to look at Warren, even disgusting, as he shouted that there was no choice, and then looked straight at the sliding doors!!! I was sure that after his tirade about the high of surgery, it would reach the commission that he was eager to cut the girl and he didn't care about elevators and doors, he wanted to feel omnipotent, and then his wife would cover up if anything. By the way, my wife is also doing well, in theory she should also be suspended or tried for ignoring documents, and only because relatives have not brought charges, she walks around in her white coat. April and Jackson have already reached some kind of nonsense, especially with this ban.... but I hope now they will go in a positive direction. Arizona kills, first she advised, then she herself suffered. Or did she not think that one of the options for resolving the situation was that Kelly would also leave? I actually thought Sophie could stay with Arizona, there's school, friends, and Kelly and Petty can hang out together, feel their romance, do this internship and come back...if they plan to return at all. It's even unusual that Mer has receded into the background, but it's useful to take a break from her ... Hunt's situation is already pretty tired.... well, it just so happened, you work together, well, maybe it's enough to love everyone's brains with what happened a number of years ago? I'm sick of it.
@ScarLet_Silence: I wrote above, but, I repeat, Callie is Sofia's own mother, and Arizona is nobody. Why would she leave her daughter to Arizona?.. Arizona, giving advice to Callie, clearly did not expect such a turn. My question is different - has Sarah Ramirez decided to leave the series? Or is it just a plot move at the end of the season? She is still one of the long-livers of the series, in my opinion, she has been filming since the second season...
@Vitos_2021: Actually, Arizona is a legal parent, they issued guardianship for two, they just didn't show it to us. So here is the usual situation as it would be between husband and wife.
In my opinion, it is quite obvious that Ben wanted to become famous, he wanted to do a caesarean in the corridor, so that later they would make ballads about him, like about O'Malley in the elevator. But he is too fearless, and this fearlessness killed a woman and her child. And six months of suspension is too lenient a punishment for the fact that the doctor puts his needs for self-expression higher than the lives of patients. It would be more correct to dismiss, of course
The hospital's completely idiotic security system. The child decided to play hide-and-seek, the mother panicked because she had a conflict with the child's father. The "Pink code", the elevators are standing, the doors are blocked and I don't care that in a hospital of this size there can be under 1000 patients, including heavy, newly admitted and incoming emergency rooms, and they are all left without medical care. Warren was raised by his colleagues themselves. Absolutely everyone involved answered Bailey's question "Why did you leave/left?", "It's Warren, he can handle it." Warren is to blame, he is essentially an adrenaline junkie, but his colleagues are no less to blame than him for imagining himself to be a God. Shonda does not leave the idea of dividing the child, no matter what, the main thing is to make a drama out of it. Sofia, as it was voiced a couple of episodes ago, Torres-Sloan, not Torres-Robins, namely Torres-Sloan. On what basis did Arizona decide to seek full custody? I slept with her mother and have been around since birth, so take the child from her own mother and give it to me. So give birth to your own child. I wouldn't be surprised if she also sues Sofia, for more drama, and Torres will be without a daughter and without the opportunity to give birth again, and all because of Robins.
@Kaena: There was an episode, even before the plane, in my opinion, when Arizona was worried that from the point of view of the law she was nobody for Sofia, and it was decided that she would adopt her. So it turns out she has the same rights as Kelly... But about full custody is nonsense of course.
@imolja: I can't really imagine how they implemented it otherwise than a certain document entrusting the care of Sofia Arizona in the event of the death of biological parents. In any case, on the part of Arizona, such a desire is egoism, she does not think about anyone but herself, including Sofia.
@arlen: Kelly and Arizona's wedding was filmed in 2011. Same-sex marriage in Washington state was allowed in 2012. It is unlikely that the legal framework for child custody in such marriages has already been created. So it's up to Shonda.
@Vitos84: You have slightly lost the thread of the discussion. It was said above that before the plane crash, Arizona somehow adopted Sofia, at that time there were no laws on this part, but there were two living native parents, who are still reflected in the child's surname. Now there are already some laws. But we are talking about what happened during their wedding, not now. I am inclined to believe that Arizona in 2011-2012 de jure could not have any other rights to Sofia, except for a power of attorney for custody if both of her birth parents could not perform their functions in relation to the child (i.e. they would die, be deprived of parental rights or incapacitated).
@Kaena: The law on the recognition of same-sex unions (with the right to adoption) in Washington state was adopted before same-sex marriages were allowed.
@Kaena: before the plane crash, it was discussed, and then it was forgotten for other things. And I can't imagine how they would have made it out with a live Stamp. But it is quite possible that they did it later, with the adoption of relevant laws. (In my opinion, the topic that in the United States decided to write "parent number one and two" in the birth certificate instead of "mom and dad" has been discussed for several years as)
@julia_od:I think some kind of joint custody is possible. After Mark's death, they were probably married in the 50/50 format. Before figs knows... but in my opinion, we also have cases when a grandmother is appointed as a guardian, for example, and parents retain their rights, but in some limited form. Maybe they can have custody of natroih? Did not delve into this issue. But the plane crashed at the end of season 8? Has it been 5 years already? Surely they would have found time for paperwork on the child. In their hospital, you always need to take into account that something can happen to everyone.
I was genuinely enraged by the moment when Bailey began to resuscitate the patient, when his family signed a refusal. Seriously? Everyone keeps blaming and insulting Ben, while Bailey just performed a miracle, well, well. It's disgusting from such an attitude, seriously.
@lexie_grey: the behavior of both Warren and Bailey is the same, from a series of luck will not be lucky. Only Miranda risked less resuscitating a vegetable (at that time) than Warren with a caesarean in the corridor. You just need to properly assess the risks
I am glad that Jackson and April have sorted out their relationship. I think now April will withdraw her warrant, Jackson will calm down his mother, and they can return to their normal relationship just for the sake of themselves and for the sake of the baby.
Super series and Avery-Kepner's sufferings are not very much - at least they are unobtrusive and almost pleasant and the child is healthy))) And there is hope for the best))) Arizona with guardianship surprised, and a miracle with a Lobster at the end .... Miranda with Warren - I'm just knocked out by his arrogance and insults - well, messed up, admit it and pretend to be a hose - so he still rolls out insults to soft measures...
What are you doing, Shonda. You fix some and break others. I'm glad Riggs and Penny talked, I needed to hear it. Anatomy is so native, and at first you don't want new characters, you get angry, you push them away, but you quickly accept, accept, and now you want to hug and love them. Penny's right. - You're a good guy and a great surgeon. Why? - I made a mistake, one huge one. And I'm still paying for it. Wildly touched. I really want to love Riggs.
Ben and Miranda... and it seemed to be one of the strongest couples in this story. For some reason, I cried wildly at the moment in the elevator. - The church? - The state. And this music. Oh, it's hard. But the resuscitation from Miranda - aww, where, are you completely crazy, mother?
Jackson and April... I hope they can get out. I don't think they will return to love, no matter where, but suddenly they will be able to figure it out.
P.S.: Where is Meredith's new man? I miss you already. Although yes, it is not very appropriate here. Cool two series.
What a sad arch... I don't even want to talk about the main plot, it's so painful and hard. The girl Jasmine the second series amazes me. In this episode, I almost burst into tears when she told my grandmother that she needed to sign the papers. Oh, that's a character...
They forgot about the hernia :( But hints of Stephanie/Kyle fire!)
All this snot and clarification of the relationship between Hunt and Riggs is unrealistically boring! And so it's all the same, the same thing... I hope it ends soon.
And Jackson and April are just NYA. Jackson's monologue about the prenuptial agreement is delightful, so touching. Yes, the whole scene is super touching. Love.
By the way. Arizona. Arizona is doing something weird again. That's why she immediately ran to the lawyer? To talk somehow, at least to find out the situation more precisely... No, don't? Here, I feel, they will spin a big scandal on this. And, especially, Kelly's mother. Arizona has no rights to Sofia, in fact. In general, zhiznbol.
Yes...I have mixed feelings about Warren...everyone writes about an "adrenaline maniac" or "God's complement", and I want to believe that he just gives himself up to his work, although on the other hand, of course, it's stupid to go into the pool with your head like this when you're not a surgeon yet, but an intern to perform such actions..... in general, I'm rushing....
Jackson and April, well, make up already, finally! The child is moving - what a joy!!! let's agree on this)))) The moment with touching the belly - mimimmi)))
Arizona....no, seriously?!?!? On the one hand, I was sure that she was sitting with the lawyer, but...seriously?!? What was there to think about? She herself a couple of episodes ago was surprised to ask April about the injunction against Jackson and here she is on the same rake.....bliiiin....Well, really, why not talk it over with Kelly first???? Maybe we agreed somehow a week in a week, a month in a month, a private school, a repeater, etc. Sofia is so used to Arizona, she considers her mother, so it's not good to tear her off either, but still Kelly has all the rights, and she didn't do joints, so it's unlikely she has the rights will be taken away, but there will be a scandal.... and the question arises: is Kelly being taken away from the series???not that!!!!!! you are welcome!!!!! DON'T!!!!!.......Shonda, hear me!....
How I hope April and Jackson will be together again! I really don't want Kelly to be taken out of the series because of Penny, let her (Penny) go to her New York by herself
No, no, and no again! Is that really all? Warren? Miranda and Ben were an example of strong love for me. So indestructible and long. I don't want them to break up.
As we wrote above, Warren decided to become famous. I don't think so. It seems to me that his self-confidence is to blame, and it has nothing to do with the fact that he is Bailey's husband. Of all the interns, he is the most experienced, because he previously worked as an anesthesiologist. And that's a lot. Therefore, I felt my strength and confidence, decided to act this way, and not otherwise. The same Deluca or other intern was scared and would not have dared, and Warren, thanks to his experience, felt confident and strong, especially since there was another case in the corridor recently, where everything went more or less.
Callie's a bit of a jerk, as far as I'm concerned. And am I the only one on the elevator recording to see Warren staring blankly at the doors that have opened? None of them saw more than that, because they constantly asked, "Did you really not see that the doors were opened?" everything is strange.
I can basically believe that Warren saw the elevator, but he looked through it, was focused on what he was going to do. It's like "listening, but not hearing." But why hasn't DeLuca's version surfaced anywhere??? He was there, too, and certainly not in such a "drive" as Ben, whatever the true reason for this drive, be it a God complex or a desire to save.
A-a-a-a! I want cool surgeries, conversations with patients, interesting cases, BUT here we have Shonda having fun, so only drama and nothing but drama. Well, at least April and Avery got better, but somehow it's really easy, so we're waiting for a catch.
How cheerfully Penny became Joe and Steph's girlfriend again. I thought she was the number one enemy of them all now. I didn't notice the DNR signs under the screens of the devices and on the doors before. Have they started hanging them long ago? Torres goes bare shoulders. Somehow she's getting quite cute. The handsome doctor from the neighboring hospital forgot something in the last episodes. I still don't believe in love with doctors from other hospitals.
Looks like I'm the only one here who believes Warren. I often have such situations. To look does not mean to see, to hear does not mean to listen. If I'm so absorbed in something, I don't hear anyone around, I don't see anything, as if I'm in my own world at this moment. I continue to do my job, as if only clarity is in my head, and everything else is the background.
@id109780090: I also understand him perfectly. and what else surprised me: why wasn't a psychologist called for analysis? Why didn't a psychologist talk to Warren?
April and Jackson: finally, I'm holding my fists for them, they've had enough of suffering and figuring it out. And let Avery's mom go back home. Warren and Miranda: there's a kind of ambivalent attitude to the situation, although, in fact, it's not the first time Warren has behaved like this. I sympathize more with Miranda, who has to be torn between the roles of wife and boss. Kelly is acting like a pig towards Arizona somehow. Yes, they have dispersed, but they are moving further and further. But it's one thing to work with Kelly's new passion and see them huddled in corners, and another when they decide to move and separate from their daughter.
It was a great opportunity to send Penny to NY, forget her there and bring Arizona back to Kelly. I don't mind Penny, but I don't see her paired with Kelly, anyway. Now, with such a turn, it is unlikely, although I still hope that they will come to their senses, and instead of sharing the child, they will come together again :)
Gorgeous two series. And I just thought that Ben gets little attention. But in all this turmoil, I didn't quite catch what the mother and baby died from. Is Ben to blame or not? Was it his actions that led to death, or was the woman doomed from the very beginning? Shonda, of course, turned the drama well. I think to get Ben out of the series. After all, there were so many emergency situations and risky actions of surgeons. The only difference is that the patients died. Otherwise, Ben would only be scolded.
Warren has a common cognitive distortion, why is it so hard for doctors to believe it? It is quite a standard situation when, for example, a person enters the bus, looks at a friend, but does not recognize him, because the brain has another goal - to find an empty seat to sit down. It's the same here.
I look at how the actress Sarah Ramirez kisses this Penny and there is no chemistry at all. But with Jessica Capshaw, it was a bomb, Sarah definitely liked Capshaw)
To be honest, in the situation of April and Avery, April pisses me off more. What's wrong with her? She wants everything to be fine, but she is constantly freaking out for nothing on Avery(( Warren of course also looks inadequate
Well, actually, Kelly is the first one who did not talk, but put Arizona in front of the fact, selfishly and as if she emphasized that Arizona is nobody to Sofia, and this is not so, she is an official parent!
Why participate in the grant if you are going to refuse it in order to deprive others of the opportunity?? I really just started watching the series. But still, why participate if you doubt.
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but personally, I'm sick and tired of Kelly, Penny, and Arizona, and all their showdowns. Let the three of them go to New York.
Бейли тоже нарушала правила во имя спасения. Ввела ребёнку экспериментальные ВИЧ клетки - ее прикрыли. Реанимировала пациента вопреки отказу - никто не обратил внимания. А Уорена распяли. Двойные стандарты что ли?
All the other lines somehow even pale in comparison with this hell. April and Avery made up-well done. Arizona decided to fight for the child - and just talk to Kelly is not given at first? Riggs /Hunt showdown is already boring, to be honest. They walk in the same circle. Of course, this will be delayed until the season finale, so that later Hunt's sister can be epically introduced into the series (not all Meredith's new sisters will appear). The situation with the lost child, it turns out, was just for the bait, well, okay.
Bailey is absolutely right. If someone else had been in Warren's place, he would have been fired for sure. Remember how Mer was fired for ruining Derek's experiment (when they were trying to find a cure for Alzheimer's). Despite the fact that Mer did not kill anyone then, but simply replaced the placebo with medicine. Ben also killed two people here and is still angry at Miranda.
At least there was one happy moment in this episode where April and Jackson were standing in the parking lot. I hope that at least everything will get better for them. And then I feel that Shonda decided to simply destroy all the couples in this series...
April and Jackson have already reached some kind of nonsense, especially with this ban.... but I hope now they will go in a positive direction.
Arizona kills, first she advised, then she herself suffered. Or did she not think that one of the options for resolving the situation was that Kelly would also leave? I actually thought Sophie could stay with Arizona, there's school, friends, and Kelly and Petty can hang out together, feel their romance, do this internship and come back...if they plan to return at all.
It's even unusual that Mer has receded into the background, but it's useful to take a break from her ...
Hunt's situation is already pretty tired.... well, it just so happened, you work together, well, maybe it's enough to love everyone's brains with what happened a number of years ago? I'm sick of it.
My question is different - has Sarah Ramirez decided to leave the series? Or is it just a plot move at the end of the season? She is still one of the long-livers of the series, in my opinion, she has been filming since the second season...
Warren was raised by his colleagues themselves. Absolutely everyone involved answered Bailey's question "Why did you leave/left?", "It's Warren, he can handle it." Warren is to blame, he is essentially an adrenaline junkie, but his colleagues are no less to blame than him for imagining himself to be a God.
Shonda does not leave the idea of dividing the child, no matter what, the main thing is to make a drama out of it. Sofia, as it was voiced a couple of episodes ago, Torres-Sloan, not Torres-Robins, namely Torres-Sloan. On what basis did Arizona decide to seek full custody? I slept with her mother and have been around since birth, so take the child from her own mother and give it to me. So give birth to your own child. I wouldn't be surprised if she also sues Sofia, for more drama, and Torres will be without a daughter and without the opportunity to give birth again, and all because of Robins.
In any case, on the part of Arizona, such a desire is egoism, she does not think about anyone but herself, including Sofia.
(In my opinion, the topic that in the United States decided to write "parent number one and two" in the birth certificate instead of "mom and dad" has been discussed for several years as)
(In 2013-2014, it seems)
Arizona with guardianship surprised, and a miracle with a Lobster at the end ....
Miranda with Warren - I'm just knocked out by his arrogance and insults - well, messed up, admit it and pretend to be a hose - so he still rolls out insults to soft measures...
I'm glad Riggs and Penny talked, I needed to hear it. Anatomy is so native, and at first you don't want new characters, you get angry, you push them away, but you quickly accept, accept, and now you want to hug and love them. Penny's right.
- You're a good guy and a great surgeon. Why?
- I made a mistake, one huge one. And I'm still paying for it.
Wildly touched. I really want to love Riggs.
Ben and Miranda... and it seemed to be one of the strongest couples in this story. For some reason, I cried wildly at the moment in the elevator.
- The church?
- The state.
And this music. Oh, it's hard.
But the resuscitation from Miranda - aww, where, are you completely crazy, mother?
Jackson and April... I hope they can get out. I don't think they will return to love, no matter where, but suddenly they will be able to figure it out.
P.S.: Where is Meredith's new man? I miss you already. Although yes, it is not very appropriate here. Cool two series.
The girl Jasmine the second series amazes me. In this episode, I almost burst into tears when she told my grandmother that she needed to sign the papers. Oh, that's a character...
They forgot about the hernia :(
But hints of Stephanie/Kyle fire!)
All this snot and clarification of the relationship between Hunt and Riggs is unrealistically boring! And so it's all the same, the same thing... I hope it ends soon.
And Jackson and April are just NYA. Jackson's monologue about the prenuptial agreement is delightful, so touching. Yes, the whole scene is super touching. Love.
And, especially, Kelly's mother. Arizona has no rights to Sofia, in fact. In general, zhiznbol.
Jackson and April, well, make up already, finally! The child is moving - what a joy!!! let's agree on this)))) The moment with touching the belly - mimimmi)))
Arizona....no, seriously?!?!? On the one hand, I was sure that she was sitting with the lawyer, but...seriously?!? What was there to think about? She herself a couple of episodes ago was surprised to ask April about the injunction against Jackson and here she is on the same rake.....bliiiin....Well, really, why not talk it over with Kelly first???? Maybe we agreed somehow a week in a week, a month in a month, a private school, a repeater, etc. Sofia is so used to Arizona, she considers her mother, so it's not good to tear her off either, but still Kelly has all the rights, and she didn't do joints, so it's unlikely she has the rights will be taken away, but there will be a scandal.... and the question arises: is Kelly being taken away from the series???not that!!!!!! you are welcome!!!!! DON'T!!!!!.......Shonda, hear me!....
And am I the only one on the elevator recording to see Warren staring blankly at the doors that have opened? None of them saw more than that, because they constantly asked, "Did you really not see that the doors were opened?" everything is strange.
I didn't notice the DNR signs under the screens of the devices and on the doors before. Have they started hanging them long ago?
Torres goes bare shoulders. Somehow she's getting quite cute.
The handsome doctor from the neighboring hospital forgot something in the last episodes. I still don't believe in love with doctors from other hospitals.
and what else surprised me: why wasn't a psychologist called for analysis? Why didn't a psychologist talk to Warren?
Warren and Miranda: there's a kind of ambivalent attitude to the situation, although, in fact, it's not the first time Warren has behaved like this. I sympathize more with Miranda, who has to be torn between the roles of wife and boss.
Kelly is acting like a pig towards Arizona somehow. Yes, they have dispersed, but they are moving further and further. But it's one thing to work with Kelly's new passion and see them huddled in corners, and another when they decide to move and separate from their daughter.
Shonda, of course, turned the drama well. I think to get Ben out of the series. After all, there were so many emergency situations and risky actions of surgeons. The only difference is that the patients died. Otherwise, Ben would only be scolded.
Warren of course also looks inadequate