@id268457930: Dru is a bright character, I want her to be transferred from the status of an antagonist to Buffy's gang. Cordelia could, and Drusilla could.
I'm reviewing this series for the first time and I know that there are a lot of inconsistencies (especially the understudies in the fighting scenes are clearly visible), but only now the question has arisen: a person turns into a vampire after drinking the blood of another vampire, and as it was shown in one of the previous episodes, some people even craved it. And what about those Buffy watches in cemeteries? So all those who awaken from their graves also drank the blood of their sire? Explanatory help team )
@Buffy: of all the explanations that came to my mind, it's that sometimes vampires get bored and they turn someone just like that (as I understood it, the girl who turned Angel didn't hang out with him anymore either, but just turned him). It is also quite possible that older and smarter vampires simply convert different people so that they later become their cannon fodder, new slaves, so to speak (for example, the girl who burned in the sun to deliver a message to Buffy). And then whoever proves himself will become a cool vampire.
@Zigarette: Darla didn't hang out with Angel? Their group (Darla, Ange, Dru and Spike) made a good noise)) In "Angel" their affairs are covered in more detail.
@Buffy: You're not the only one who noticed this oddity. There is a version that in order to become a vampire in Buffy, it is not necessary to exchange blood with a vampire (by the way, it is not enough just to drink it, but it is necessary that he also drink yours). It's enough for a vampire to drink enough of yours to make you die, but not all of it. So that the blood remains in the dead body. That would explain why Buffy has so many random vampires. A good confirmation of this version is the episode from the third season, where a vampire in a straitjacket turns his supervisor. That is, the ritual of blood exchange is optional in order to convert someone.
@QueenOfGems: watch the episode I have indicated and you will see that there is no smell of blood exchange there. There is a spoiler alert when opening comments. They are in the comments under the series of tueva hooch, so why these troubles? If you are afraid of spoilers, do not open comments.
@Sternenreich: I watched this episode like everyone else. The question was not about that, but about where the opinion came from - is it some kind of established fanon or your personal one? Because this is the first time I've heard it.
And spoilers in the comments are usually for the series under discussion, not for the next season.
Even I don't understand why they have the Angel killer dilemma./Angel is not to blame, although in fact the problem in returning his soul to him is that it was his curse and if he does not suffer with his soul, he may lose it again.
And it's also unclear where vampires get their blood from, if they're not alive, as I understand it, they shouldn't have any fluids. Angel said he couldn't have children 🤔
@alinejusty: If there were no liquids in them, they would be dry mummies! Vampires are infertile because their reproductive system doesn't work. Men have dead spermatozoa (or they are not produced. Here xs), in women, the reproductive system cannot create offspring. They're the living dead, so a lot of things in their bodies don't work anymore. Like the blood circulation. But they have blood. It just doesn't circulate or curl up inside.
The answer is more for new people interested than for Zax: For "good demons and monsters," this is a direct route to the Angel series. By the way, this actor was planned there, but was not available and they came up with another one.
Xander is partly right that Angel deserves to die for everything he's done, but he's only saying it because it's convenient for him. It's convenient to get your opponent out of the way, because you still have feelings for Buffy. And such words, at such moments, characterize him very well as a person. I was also surprised by the moment - when the vampire came into the classroom and burned down, everyone reacted calmly, it's clear that someone was scared, but why didn't anyone have any questions about what it was all about. It's a bit of a strange moment.
@MoneyBarney: In Sunnydale, everyone really knows everything (especially the students at school), they just pretend that nothing is really happening. They don't talk about such things openly. An unspoken taboo.
The other beauty of course, while Spike and Angel can barely fight on equal terms with the slayer, she does Kendra with one left. I'd watch her fight Buffy.
It pisses me off when in movies/TV series villains want to destroy the world. It's so pointless and stupid.
@SantaJul: Well, yes, they live in this world too. 😂 And most importantly, the "Judge" from the previous episodes would have killed all the people on the planet... Who would the vampires feed on then? I've always been interested in this question))
@Zigarette: Technically, vampires can drink blood not only from humans - this is one time. Secondly, people in the Buffivers universe do not only exist... ahem... in the human world, but also in other dimensions.
@EyeOfTheRaven: In the case of Acatla, they wanted him to drag the world into a hellish dimension. But that would not mean that everything would be destroyed. This meant that people would enter a world dominated by demons. That was the idea.
It was interesting to look into Angel's past. But I still don't understand why I should give him his soul back if he's going to be with Buffy again, experience happiness again, and be without a soul again. It doesn't make sense. It's just that you have to kill him for a long time, by the way, although this character will learn to me) The winner is dead, long live the new winner!)
@BlondeBets: in order not to lose his soul again, it is enough for him not to do anything that can make him feel a moment of true happiness. For example, no more sleeping with Buffy)
Oh, it's a pity for Cedar, she had such a bright appearance, I wanted to watch her longer. And the chemistry with Buffy was great. According to Angel, it probably makes sense to return his soul, it's at least to get a strong opponent out of the way, because he's doing a lot of evil. And since Buffy can't kill him because of her feelings, that's a good option. And love is a carrot, that's the tenth thing. Fortunately, I don't remember their love line at all, but logically, if he gets his soul back, then after all his murders, Buffy will have a hard time accepting him back, and he himself will realize that he is not worthy of her and all that. Drusilla is good, she's a devil!!
«There's moments in your life that make you, that set the course of who you're gonna be. Sometimes they're little, subtle moments. Sometimes, they're not.»
Still, it's a wild joint of some kind. It has been said more than once that when you become a vampire, your soul flies away, and a demon enters your body. By what logic then should the Angel have suffered forever because his soul was returned to him? If a demon was killing, who apparently returned to hell, but his soul was in another place, he actually did not kill anyone with his soul and could not suffer for the actions of another who was in his body, it was pointless. So are all the arguments and quarrels in this series about the Angel on this topic. It would seem that the characters themselves should understand all this, but no... Or maybe the translation is such a sham? That's right, I plan to revise it in the original next time. I've already watched it in a better quality than a DVD rip, but there's only one Russian track sewn in there. And as someone wrote above, there are also disadvantages of better quality - understudies in fights are really very noticeable, you don't even need to look closely.
@annmaryray: maybe this refers to the soul as not a person (consciousness), but some kind of function of humanity (as in DV, where vampires could turn it off at will)? Indeed, it would be nice to see how it sounds in the original.
@KatrinVamp: Well, maybe. I've been trying to watch it for a long time, and I've only managed 4 episodes through my teeth. Mb, one day I'll get around to it, I'll try again) I started Angel gritting my teeth three times (as many as 10 episodes and dropped out), as a result, I watched it completely on the 3rd attempt, but he never hooked me. But I love Buffies, I don't get tired of reviewing them.
@KatrinVamp: you are not the only one who doubted the literal interpretation of this word. But all contradictions disappear if we interpret the word "soul" as an allegory of the ability to experience empathy. In other words: all these stories about demons and the soul were invented by people to make it easier to kill vampires without thinking about the fact that you kill a person close to you. It's easier to kill him, imagining that it's not him, but a demon that has possessed his body. This is clearly seen in the episode from the TV series Angel, where, according to the plot, the actress deprived Angel of his soul, simply drugging him and making him believe that he really lost it. That is, "soul deprivation" and " demon possession" is just a screen, so as not to explain that the convert simply blunts the ability to empathy and predatory instincts appear.
@lest_forget: in the episode with Giles's Demon, when Angel took this demon into himself, he said that his demon had been waiting for this for hundreds of years, i.e. apparently the demon had not flown anywhere, but was sitting somewhere inside, shackled by the soul that Angel had instilled. And with the departure of the soul, he just got free and went wild.
It seems to me that this "suffering", for which he was cursed, may be akin to a departure from a state of passion, i.e., to put it simply, here you are wildly angry, yelled at someone, said hurtful things, and then regret it, and think "How could I even behave like this?" In the same way, Angel realizes that he did all the atrocities himself, even if he understands with his mind that he was led by a demon inside, the soul makes him realize that it was still himself and his body. Therefore, he repents, because with his soul, morality, humanity, empathy, etc. reappear. In the same way, we empathize if someone died in the series, although we understand intellectually that these are generally fictional characters.
@lest_forget: Not quite like that. The soul is here like a Freudian supernova - conscience, empathy, love; in addition to it there is actually the personality of the Ego (or its absence) and base instincts -Id. Upon conversion, the soul dies/flies away. And then all the dark sides of a person will be realized. Since most people are so-so, and are restrained from evil deeds only by fear of punishment and public condemnation, then vampires turn out to be actually stereotypical vampires. But someone remains capable of love - like Spike and not only. Even the attitude towards the family is different - Angelus/ Liam immediately devoured his own, and Spike tried to save his mother. In the comics, Gunn was converted after the fall of LA to hell and was in full control of his vampire nature. And no extraneous demons inhabit anywhere.
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44(also, why are you spoiling.
in the comment above, SPOILERS for one of the episodes of season 3)
There is a spoiler alert when opening comments. They are in the comments under the series of tueva hooch, so why these troubles? If you are afraid of spoilers, do not open comments.
And spoilers in the comments are usually for the series under discussion, not for the next season.
For "good demons and monsters," this is a direct route to the Angel series.
By the way, this actor was planned there, but was not available and they came up with another one.
I was also surprised by the moment - when the vampire came into the classroom and burned down, everyone reacted calmly, it's clear that someone was scared, but why didn't anyone have any questions about what it was all about. It's a bit of a strange moment.
The other beauty of course, while Spike and Angel can barely fight on equal terms with the slayer, she does Kendra with one left. I'd watch her fight Buffy.
It pisses me off when in movies/TV series villains want to destroy the world. It's so pointless and stupid.
And most importantly, the "Judge" from the previous episodes would have killed all the people on the planet... Who would the vampires feed on then? I've always been interested in this question))
The winner is dead, long live the new winner!)
It seems to me that this "suffering", for which he was cursed, may be akin to a departure from a state of passion, i.e., to put it simply, here you are wildly angry, yelled at someone, said hurtful things, and then regret it, and think "How could I even behave like this?"
In the same way, Angel realizes that he did all the atrocities himself, even if he understands with his mind that he was led by a demon inside, the soul makes him realize that it was still himself and his body. Therefore, he repents, because with his soul, morality, humanity, empathy, etc. reappear. In the same way, we empathize if someone died in the series, although we understand intellectually that these are generally fictional characters.
And those inserts, how he was cursed, how he saw Buffy... eh, it's about to start…