@mashahripunkova: I agree. It pisses me off too. I also don't need blood circulation, so I couldn't strangle twice. Moreover, krinja adds that in "Angel" there is a series where an Angel was hanged and he survived precisely because he does not need either breathing or conversion. They would have already thought of making it so that he just hit her on the head and she passed out and there would be no contradictions from this. Was it difficult to think of something?
No matter how much I look (it seems like the 4th time already), I cry with Buffy every time. And also this creepy music ... a series after which nothing will be the same as before : (The series will be completely different. And Xander showed all of himself. Further - worse. And after each viewing, it is impossible to comprehend what happened. Some emotions overwhelm and such emptiness (((
@ajbige: Xander, of course, did a bad thing, but in my opinion, Angel did not deserve to live a normal life again, after everything that happened. His demon side is terrible. Although as a child I really liked the couple Buffy and Angela. But judging by Angel's spin-off, he'll get out.
@amilenova: Well, what do you mean you didn't deserve it? He couldn't control it even a little bit, he just didn't have a soul. It is possible that they would not have forgiven him, they would have been afraid. Otherwise...
When I watched the series in action, Angel and Buffy seemed like a real couple and love, I couldn't come to my senses after this episode. How could she? And Spike and Drew seemed so fucking bad. And Xandrer was a very good friend. Now I'm reviewing and my opinion has just changed about almost everything and everyone - the love of Buffy and Angel is the love of just typical teenagers, despite the fact that the latter is 240 years old. Drew is just gorgeous, Spike is generally handsome and, despite his bloodlust, not stupid at all. And Xander is still a fool, and this infatuation with Buffy annoys kapets. In general, I watch and make a lot of discoveries for myself
@Bearbloo: For me, at this stage, Drusilla is not gorgeous, as it is evil. I have an aversion to evil. With the Shrike, not everything is so clear. But the gaps are already visible.
Well, finally the Crutch showed that you are a "real kid", as stated earlier, otherwise you rode almost the whole season in a stroller, splashing bile.
I just want to grind Xander to powder for his cowardice.
And in this house, we infinitely love and respect Willow Rosenberg. Come on, girl!
Omg, the first full-fledged interaction between Buffy and Spike as allies, and immediately so wonderful)) The chipping of Others is a joy to the eyes. Buffy is just a heroine in this series, strong, and Sarochka played great. Well, in general, although I agree with Xander in the sense that Angel deserved to die for all the good things (he doesn't know about the spin-off), his motivation, like his actions, is sometimes disgusting.
@Nog: At least Spike has motivation, but what about the rest of the villains? Destroy the world and that's it? And then? To die? There won't be any people, what to eat?
Waaaaa... WOW. The ending is fire. I'm going to be killed, but I didn't want Angel to come back, either he's a villain or he's being killed...But I didn't expect such an end...It's both delicious and sad. Comments about Xander scare me, is he really going to turn out to be scum at all?..I'm watching it for the first time, so I don't understand why everyone admires Drussila? Personally, she annoys me from the first appearance and, to be honest, I was waiting for Spike to finally throw her. But no, he went somewhere with her. And Buffy left, I wonder where she went and what she's going to do. This season, I discovered and liked the characters of Cordelia and Spike. Cordy is a cutie, though peculiar, and Spike stopped playing along with his girlfriend and immediately became a normal person. He's charismatic. I'm not writing about Willow, because she's a bunny from the very beginning and she's getting cooler and cooler. And I found a good guy for myself, I'm just touching their couple and I hope they will be fine in the future.
I totally agree! I'm shaking right now, I don't like it at all. Spike is good, the Angel has been exhausted for a long time. and I'm scared for Xander too, don't make him a goat (I absolutely understand his act, although the motivation was spoiled, yes. I love Cordy, I don't like that they don't appreciate it. she may be different from them, but behind all her "insults" lies concern, she just shows it that way. Well, Buffy's mother — there are just no words.
So far, this is the saddest episode for me. I kept the whole viewing in suspense. And after such an ending, it seems that it will not be the same as before. And it also hurts that Mom never understood Buffy. How far they are from each other, and how cold the relationship between them is, like strangers. I am sad and hurt that Buffy is left all alone. After all, as it turned out, Xander's best friend also acts only for the benefit of his interests, I already wrote about this earlier. But in this series, of course, his even worse qualities showed up. It is very interesting whether this act will be revealed in the future. Angel... Despite all that he had done in the end, I felt sorry for him. And it's a pity Buffy had to make a choice against her feelings. An incredibly strong series. Such that it sticks in the memory for a very long time, and gives food for thought. That's the note to end the season on. Bravo screenwriters!
Despite the fact that the ending is sad, the series itself is very funny, of course thanks to Spike and Others. It was a wonderful season and one of my favorites, and it was with him that my acquaintance with the series began in childhood. Spike won my heart then, apparently forever, because how many years have passed, and I still like the character. His actions and actions, unlike some other characters, do not seem stupid or absurd, even after so many years. And special thanks for the cheekbones of James Marsters - they are beautiful
A very touching episode. As a child, I remember that I liked Xander more than the other characters (I was about 10 years old :). Now it's just the most infuriating Persian. Spike + Dru = these are such vampire Sid and Nancy. Everything is fine with them, they are very charismatic guys. I would like more Oz. Cordy is the Queen, it's a pity she got this jerk. Buffy's mother is difficult to understand. That is, she was not particularly worried all this time that her daughter was (suddenly) hanging out with a librarian who was old enough to be her father, that she was having an affair with an adult guy, that she fought better than a real cop, and in general, there was always some trash at school. Damn, Maman, a vampire was killed in front of your eyes, how can you deny it? I understand Buffy's motivation. She doesn't want to put anyone close to her in danger anymore. The season came out even better than the first, they revealed everything very well. I was glad to see Dru in the image of Miss Kalender, the actress playing Miss Kalender is very beautiful (like everything in this series, however)
I don't care how visible the stuntmen are. I didn't see them as a child, it's probably because of the quality of the TV. But now it hurts my eyes. But the series is still good.
I was just crying a very unexpected ending, how can an Angel only have his soul returned and still have to be killed or what Buffy did, sent him to hell turns out..very sad, their kiss and declaration of love and he disappeared...I can't stomach all this, I was also very angry at his dark side that he killed Jenny, but it's still not really him, as we found out earlier he was bitten, so he was a real person..It's good, of course, that mom now knows that Buffy is the chosen one, but her reaction was of course shocking, I thought it would be better..It's very sad...😭😭😭😭
Crutch I liked how I came to the city and here in this series. besides, either I don't care what they're stirring up or annoying. But he's talking business. trindit" I will destroy the world " can be any fool, but why destroy it, and the Angel can really destroy it, and since he likes this world, then why destroy that Angel. Well, not literally, but everyone understood.
well, in addition to all this, I myself did not understand nirazu nafiga for example to the same Vampires of the destruction of the world or specifically people for example, and so on. stupid, apparently. and here in this series crutch actually directly says Well, you understand.
I wonder if I'll ever stop crying at the end of this episode? The most terrible thing that Buffy and the audience could give was hope. First, the shock of the changes that have occurred, denial, acceptance. And now both you and Buffy realize that everything has changed - the Angel has changed, he is pure evil, and evil needs to be removed. But then they find a floppy disk, and there's a fucking hope that wasn't there. It was written above that this is the point of no return, the series will no longer be the same as before. Honestly, I didn't have enough episodes when Buff and Angel were doing well, when they were together and fighting. It was such a short period, and now everything will go one place at a time. And the attitude of others towards her will change. Why would Whedon do this to her? In the end, when she walks with a bag, so small and fragile, I really want to hug her and feel sorry for her... she didn't deserve such a story.
@StasyaVasya: Well, thanks to you, now all my hopes for the future in the series have been swept away... Well, what kind of life is this, you think you can escape from reality for a while and plunge into the series, feel love, hope, confidence, and so on, but even then all your feelings (the feelings of the characters) are torn to shreds by their point of no return and changes. I'm tired of this, everything in this world betrays and breaks my heart, I wish I could just leave it...
I don't really understand exactly where Xander is going. Yes, I didn't say it, but we condemn it. But in fact, Buffy realized that the Angel had found a soul, she said goodbye to him, and it was her conscious decision.
Imho, if she had known about the ritual in advance, it could have been distracting during the duel, instilling false hope. She would be constantly looking for signs that don't exist, as a result of which she could die.
Therefore, Xander's concealment of the truth is frowned upon, but in fact it did not affect the final outcome.
@happy_lemon: But she killed him because that was the only way to stop the end of the world at that moment. But it could also happen that he would not have had time to draw his sword, and Buffy would have killed him anyway a minute before the end of the ritual, since she did not know that it was being performed.
Well, why end it so tragically?!... The case when you know that Angel will have to be returned in the future, but now it's not fun. And to break up with friends, without a mentor, what kind of winner would there be? In short, I don't like change, but I hope everything gets back to normal at least a little.
At least, I did not understand what caused this feature of Angel's blood, and similarly, the imprisonment only through him. It's not even that "a vampire with a soul', but just an Angel
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52a series after which nothing will be the same as before : (The series will be completely different.
And Xander showed all of himself. Further - worse.
And after each viewing, it is impossible to comprehend what happened. Some emotions overwhelm and such emptiness (((
"You hit me with an axe once. Do you remember? "Don't you dare touch my baby!"
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- So you live in the neighborhood?
And Spike and Drew seemed so fucking bad. And Xandrer was a very good friend.
Now I'm reviewing and my opinion has just changed about almost everything and everyone - the love of Buffy and Angel is the love of just typical teenagers, despite the fact that the latter is 240 years old. Drew is just gorgeous, Spike is generally handsome and, despite his bloodlust, not stupid at all. And Xander is still a fool, and this infatuation with Buffy annoys kapets. In general, I watch and make a lot of discoveries for myself
I just want to grind Xander to powder for his cowardice.
And in this house, we infinitely love and respect Willow Rosenberg. Come on, girl!
The chipping of Others is a joy to the eyes.
Buffy is just a heroine in this series, strong, and Sarochka played great.
Well, in general, although I agree with Xander in the sense that Angel deserved to die for all the good things (he doesn't know about the spin-off), his motivation, like his actions, is sometimes disgusting.
Angel... Despite all that he had done in the end, I felt sorry for him. And it's a pity Buffy had to make a choice against her feelings. An incredibly strong series. Such that it sticks in the memory for a very long time, and gives food for thought. That's the note to end the season on. Bravo screenwriters!
I understand Buffy's motivation. She doesn't want to put anyone close to her in danger anymore.
The season came out even better than the first, they revealed everything very well. I was glad to see Dru in the image of Miss Kalender, the actress playing Miss Kalender is very beautiful (like everything in this series, however)
But the series is still good.
"Do we know each other?"
- And so, once you hit me with an axe: come on leave my daughter alone
"You killed the Slayer and didn't tell me?"! Well done! Although from your point of view, of course not.
well, in addition to all this, I myself did not understand nirazu nafiga for example to the same Vampires of the destruction of the world or specifically people for example, and so on. stupid, apparently.
and here in this series crutch actually directly says Well, you understand.
The most terrible thing that Buffy and the audience could give was hope. First, the shock of the changes that have occurred, denial, acceptance. And now both you and Buffy realize that everything has changed - the Angel has changed, he is pure evil, and evil needs to be removed. But then they find a floppy disk, and there's a fucking hope that wasn't there.
It was written above that this is the point of no return, the series will no longer be the same as before. Honestly, I didn't have enough episodes when Buff and Angel were doing well, when they were together and fighting. It was such a short period, and now everything will go one place at a time. And the attitude of others towards her will change. Why would Whedon do this to her?
In the end, when she walks with a bag, so small and fragile, I really want to hug her and feel sorry for her... she didn't deserve such a story.
Imho, if she had known about the ritual in advance, it could have been distracting during the duel, instilling false hope. She would be constantly looking for signs that don't exist, as a result of which she could die.
Therefore, Xander's concealment of the truth is frowned upon, but in fact it did not affect the final outcome.
But she killed him because that was the only way to stop the end of the world at that moment.
But it could also happen that he would not have had time to draw his sword, and Buffy would have killed him anyway a minute before the end of the ritual, since she did not know that it was being performed.
The case when you know that Angel will have to be returned in the future, but now it's not fun. And to break up with friends, without a mentor, what kind of winner would there be? In short, I don't like change, but I hope everything gets back to normal at least a little.