@Luizot: wasn't he and his relatives in the first episode happy about what a lucky ticket he had drawn by marrying the heiress to the British throne? He and his family did not have their own position in society, were expelled from their own country and had rather modest prospects, but were ambitious and ambitious. I was well aware of the difference in their statuses, but I still chose it for myself, so why feel sorry for him? I would have found some decent business long ago, isn't there a job in the whole empire, how to choose wallpaper or plan a coronation all year round?
The film seems to romanticize their story, although looking at Edward's bile shown in the series, and there is also a story about a connection with the Nazis - romanticization seems out of place at all
Philip began to annoy with his claims. I saw who he was marrying, but if not, I still need to shake my rights.
The last scene is gorgeous. Throughout the series, there was a feeling that the Duke of Windsor regretted his abdication and all the sarcasm and bile against the royal family came from there.
@Smartcookie: I agree. I'm watching the Crown right after Victoria. and I involuntarily compare the two husbands. Victoria's husband is reliable and accommodating. And Philip is acting up like a child
@poiree: This part of the family should not have ruled the country at all, Uncle David and his offspring should have. He renounced and it turned out as it turned out. By the way, Uncle's bile is from remorse. He realized that he refused to be a "god", and became a "mere mortal" for the sake of a very dubious lady. The mistake of youth comes out.
P.S. Is it not on his story that an advertisement for Richard tea was concocted, where the king was forbidden to marry, and he abdicated. I can't help but draw parallels. Who is interested, here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62J67u8H_j8
well, not really. * by the time of the engagement and, especially, the wedding, David had long ago renounced and Elizabeth was the direct heir. * the mistake of youth also does not work very well, since David was 42 years old when he abdicated.
I will only agree about the dubious lady: for some reason it is silent here, but her main problem was not so much in divorces, but in relations with Hitler and his regime. actually, because of the latter, the family avoided communicating with both of them — very logical, I think, for the post-war period..
@darthtatyan: Yes, in the movie "The King Speaks" it was mentioned that in connection with this there was a renunciation - not entirely voluntary. The King had no right to be associated with the Nazis in any way.
Philip's strength and power lies precisely in the fact that he sacrificed his personal ambitions for the sake of his Queen. Even now, in his late 90s, he is beautiful with real male beauty.
@Edwina: What are your personal ambitions? The most he could claim was a career in the Navy. His "title" from birth is zilch. There is only the arrogance of a wronged boy.
David, the Duke of Windsor, is a very interesting character. Sometimes I want him to choke on his bile, and sometimes I feel sorry for him. The ceremony is very beautiful. Philip has organized everything perfectly. And he showed it to the whole world.
There is something caramel in the British accent, I look with such pleasure with subtitles.
George's stuttering looks so charming, especially when performed by Harris. It is even somewhat ironic that neither her father nor Elizabeth herself wanted this power, and at the same time had no opportunity to give it up. How much uncertainty this young girl is experiencing, trying not to show her weakness to anyone...
How Lilibet tries for her husband, just throws all her strength, breaking this ossified system, if not completely, then at least leaving cracks. Philip says the right things, but why is it always at the wrong time, not at the funeral of his wife's grandmother, no? If only he had more tact and less boyish impudence, there would be no price at all. Although how hard it is to break their conservatives, like so, cameras in the church. For us, of course, all this is a bit wild now, we have been accustomed for more than half a century that from any pot you can look at any action in any corner of the world at will. And Philip argues very correctly: when the country is in such economic and social decline, it is not the time to start a pump. But what pride sometimes does not allow him to see the truth - in some things you have to give in, she should not run and persuade you, this is now your duty too. You have chosen this fate, there is no escape from it.
Eduard and his tears for the lost power here do not touch at all. You also made your choice, you followed the call of your heart, hung out with a man who destroyed half of Europe, traveled endlessly on his position as a member of the royal family, fidgeted behind the backs of those who paid your bills, and this is just a small list. I do not consider him a moral freak or some kind of monster, for me he is just a weak person who wanted to live beautifully more than anything else in the world and at the same time not be responsible for anything and do nothing.
A lot of people don't like Tommy. He's really not the nicest person. But how did he reject that filthy Edward/David. Fine. He reminds me a bit of Varys from Game of Thrones. He served the throne, not the kings. Tommy is the same, I think. He is devoted to the Crown. He has been at court for 33 years and clearly understands what's what. He sees people who are who. Maybe he will turn out to be a scoundrel. But he's doing great now.
It's magical. That the coronation is in Victoria, that it looks great here. Philip certainly has a very difficult character, but he will really make sacrifices and perform his duties for the queen. And yes, the moment when he knelt was so tense. Uhh.
I really liked the phrase about Philip, that his profession is to be the husband of the Queen, it is very touching at the moment where he swears to serve Elizabeth to death, the realization that he is still doing it, as they say, live long Duke of Edinburgh! Philip's criticism that he is impulsive, has a sense of pride and all that further indicates that in the series they try to show the characters as real and real people, and not cardboard characters with the same polarity
Alex Jennings plays Edward incomparably, I just want to feel sorry for him, and everything. but, probably, if a greater historical background was mentioned here about him, then the first feeling would not arise from the word vooooooo, but as he is a kind of martyr in the name of love and trampling on traditions
Actually, it reminded me of a scene from the movie The Princess of Monaco (a conversation between Hitchcock and Grace Kelly). There is also a monarchic internal conflict, because she had to give up her dream, her profession, and her acting career. But Alfred said a very wise thing, that she needed to sacrifice her interests for the good of the country and her family, and that her main role in life was to be a wife for the prince. Perhaps not the best comparison, but Phillip is in the same situation. To fulfill his most important official duty to Great Britain - to be a husband to the queen, to give up something, and to give in to something. Yes, it is undoubtedly hard, as a person feels sorry for him (and indeed like a bird in a cage), but still a)he knew what he was doing when he got married, b) humility in this case is a direct indicator of masculinity and fortitude.
@TsinoevaAlisa14: both the "Princess of Monaco" and the "Crown" in the context of this sacrifice once again make you think that the monarchy is, of course, beautiful, majestic, but such a thing is already outdated for the modern world
Philip's position is not easy, but it seems to me that it is possible not to shake the rights when it comes to the crown and the queen's reputation.
And Edward is such a terrible person filled with bile, and it seems to me that over 17 years a lot of it has accumulated, but he knew what he was doing, he knew the laws and what he was going to lose, but he's still angry at everyone. He may have given up everything for love, but the tears showed that love is not always enough. After all, he had been trained for this since childhood.
And I kept thinking, when will Phillip's male ego finally crack at the seams? It's already been half a season. Married to a queen, almost a goddess, what more could you want? I don't know, the scene with his oath and worship was very touching and beautiful. I didn't see anything humiliating or degrading about her. on the contrary, such a gesture of devotion and love for his wife and queen, shown to the whole world, is worthy of respect and admiration. And this crown with a red cape is simply magnificent!
Well, it's a great episode again. Tommy is wonderful. In general, I love it when the British swear: without swearing, shouting, but these harsh intonations, this spitting out harsh words, wow. Philip and Elizabeth's quarrel is interesting, Phil can understand. The times are patriarchal and it feels like just an app without that. But it seems to me that he was moved when he saw Lisa in all this attire. At that moment, he accepted his fate and his role and the fact that he married an extraordinary woman. The coronation, the anointing, everything is very beautiful, and the Duke of Windsor is right.: It's magic. And people need that kind of magic. The last scene is strong. Perhaps somewhere in California, Harry's family also misses his homeland.
@TsinoevaAlisa14: and this mantra "I did it for love" - at first it seemed to me that it was posturing, after this episode I think it was autosuggestion. I was given greatness, but I got parties with the money I begged for)
did they show real footage on TV, or was it still modern shooting? I was very happy about the scenes with King George, I was afraid that he would not be there anymore
And then I realized that Matt Smith was not talking to Churchill for the first time. I'm not sure about the order, I just got to the Crown now, but they crossed paths a couple of times in the Doctor
I haven't looked into the sources, so I can't say if this is true or a script move, but the idea of recording the coronation is very good! And most importantly, as time has shown, Elizabeth has ruled for 69 years. And Charles never ascended the throne.
It's strange, but I see a direct connection between Elizabeth's actions and the current scandals in the British monarchy. She was the first to shake the throne with petty disobedience. Either her husband is arranging a coronation, or he wants to change his royal surname. Margaret continues to undermine with her behavior. And after reading the biography, we find out that she was, to put it mildly, loving and did nothing but enjoy her pleasures. Elizabeth practically did not deal with children, as a result, Charles has a history with tampons and the biggest scandal with Diana, and Andrew is accused of pedophilia. There's no need to mention Harry and Megan anymore. That's what the butterfly effect is called.
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with changing something over time, making adjustments, because time does not stand still and what used to be is not always good. Some things become obsolete one way or another, there's no getting away from it.
@vk504806: if you do not change, then you can face a new Cromwell and the executions of the King. Another question is how to implement and accept changes
It is a pity that the costumers did not make at least a remotely similar dress to what was at the real coronation, there is such a beautiful dress filled with symbolism..You can see it in the fragments of the chronicle inserted
The argument about worship led to an idea - to whom a man should / can kneel. Mother. Wife. Homeland (in the republic. in a monarchy, a Ruler and/or Crown are added to the Homeland). and so the man bows down as he wants. at least on my knees all the time))) Anastasia: "Sick...".
The Duke of Windsor broke my heart in the last scene. The finale of the series gave me an idea: how hard it is to go against those family traditions that are brought up in us from birth. And it's even harder to believe all your life that you're making the right choice, that you've made your life happier. This is a war with oneself that cannot always be won. Usually, you need a therapist. I hug Albert and hope that in reality he did not grieve for the crown as much
It seems to me that over time David realized that Wallis was not worth it, but he continued to hold on to her, continued to deliberately love her and hate his family so that no one would dare to reproach him that it was all in vain. For you can sacrifice immortality only for the sake of eternal love, and not a relationship for 10 years. He really wanted to be king, and when they watched the coronation, he just dreamed of being in Elizabeth's place. A wonderful character, so controversial.
Philip/Matthew is incredible, I really like the way he plays, how the Duke's character is shown, especially compared to the restrained and prim Brits.
Well, the final scene with the bagpipes was very touching - I can't say that David is vile or envious, yet he loved Elizabeth very much, but these tears of his were very eloquent
A great series. Again, of course, an emotional meat grinder, I'm already getting used to it) How sorry it was for the dying Queen Mary - she whispers to her son "Don't go away", and against the background of his sarcastic comments. Even if there were difficult relationships in the past - he ended up married to his beautiful woman, what more could he want, what could he be offended by? The feeling that his sarcasm and venom are the only things he can use to displace regret and nostalgia. The taming of the obstinate Philip is a separate song) and not such knights worshipped a beautiful lady and nothing, no one's masculinity suffered, it's even attractive, damn it)
And I like the way Edward is shown here. he was much worse in reality, he also complained a lot about being kicked out, that money was not allocated enough, and was also a fascist. and he wrote a lot of insulting letters about relatives. but the series is beautifully finished, you can't say anything, the actor was picked up perfectly. Matt Smith also portrays Phillip very well. He was really very disappointed to move out of the Clarence residence, but he was upset that he would have to obey Elizabeth. He was "slightly" moody, so to speak…
I can't break away from the series at all, I generally have problems with concentration and perseverance, especially when the series is longer than half an hour, but for some reason 50+ minutes run unnoticed with the crown.
By the way, I was very surprised that the screenwriters did not forget about King George's stuttering!! all his life he had problems with this, at the beginning of his reign he was extremely uncomfortable, so he worked on stuttering. as a result, I almost got rid of it!
Edward behaves obscenely hypocritical, and it is extremely unworthy to speak so about his own family, even under the circumstances. At the same time, his aggression against his native country, family and mother sounds exaggerated, like an attempt to convince himself that he did the right thing for love. On the other hand, at certain moments, he looks lonely, and does not want to let go of his past at all, tormenting himself (he even created a secluded island of memories in the attic).
It is not very worthy of a husband, partner -- to humiliate your wife, her life's work and her achievements, calling it "royal". Especially at the beginning of her journey, when it is so difficult and so necessary for her support. With the broadcast of the coronation, I agree with Philip's arguments, at least he is doing something right.
Everything is fine - how old bellows tear when new wine is poured into them, how difficult decisions are made and how not to regret them later, how much effort it takes to move even a millimeter out of a century-old rut...
I like the way the Duke of Windsor's complex emotions are played out. Letters, caustic comments, two cigarettes and this bagpipe in the fog.
I wonder how the Duke of Edinburgh really experienced this time. It seems to me that the creators of the series have turned up too much drama.
And only translators want to tear their hands off. "Smoke and Mirrors" - "Dust in the eyes", how can you work so clumsily. And I haven't heard this dubbing yet 🤦
By the fifth episode, I already hate Philip as a man and a man. I'm reviewing the series, and I remember that from now on it will be possible to hate him as a father too, what a disgusting person
But I don't feel sorry for Windsor from the word at all. Why feel sorry for him? He is an adult, living the life he has chosen for himself. What I fought for, as they say.
Philip *yazhmuzhik* Edinburgh... Well, really, I'm tired of it already.
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88The last scene is gorgeous. Throughout the series, there was a feeling that the Duke of Windsor regretted his abdication and all the sarcasm and bile against the royal family came from there.
P.S. Is it not on his story that an advertisement for Richard tea was concocted, where the king was forbidden to marry, and he abdicated. I can't help but draw parallels. Who is interested, here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62J67u8H_j8
* by the time of the engagement and, especially, the wedding, David had long ago renounced and Elizabeth was the direct heir.
* the mistake of youth also does not work very well, since David was 42 years old when he abdicated.
I will only agree about the dubious lady: for some reason it is silent here, but her main problem was not so much in divorces, but in relations with Hitler and his regime.
actually, because of the latter, the family avoided communicating with both of them — very logical, I think, for the post-war period..
The King had no right to be associated with the Nazis in any way.
The ceremony is very beautiful. Philip has organized everything perfectly. And he showed it to the whole world.
I wonder how the royal family has such an interpretation of events in general?
George's stuttering looks so charming, especially when performed by Harris.
It is even somewhat ironic that neither her father nor Elizabeth herself wanted this power, and at the same time had no opportunity to give it up. How much uncertainty this young girl is experiencing, trying not to show her weakness to anyone...
How Lilibet tries for her husband, just throws all her strength, breaking this ossified system, if not completely, then at least leaving cracks.
Philip says the right things, but why is it always at the wrong time, not at the funeral of his wife's grandmother, no? If only he had more tact and less boyish impudence, there would be no price at all.
Although how hard it is to break their conservatives, like so, cameras in the church. For us, of course, all this is a bit wild now, we have been accustomed for more than half a century that from any pot you can look at any action in any corner of the world at will. And Philip argues very correctly: when the country is in such economic and social decline, it is not the time to start a pump. But what pride sometimes does not allow him to see the truth - in some things you have to give in, she should not run and persuade you, this is now your duty too. You have chosen this fate, there is no escape from it.
Eduard and his tears for the lost power here do not touch at all. You also made your choice, you followed the call of your heart, hung out with a man who destroyed half of Europe, traveled endlessly on his position as a member of the royal family, fidgeted behind the backs of those who paid your bills, and this is just a small list. I do not consider him a moral freak or some kind of monster, for me he is just a weak person who wanted to live beautifully more than anything else in the world and at the same time not be responsible for anything and do nothing.
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He also infuriated me sometimes, but really, he did everything for the benefit of the state
Alex Jennings plays Edward incomparably, I just want to feel sorry for him, and everything. but, probably, if a greater historical background was mentioned here about him, then the first feeling would not arise from the word vooooooo, but as he is a kind of martyr in the name of love and trampling on traditions
Perhaps not the best comparison, but Phillip is in the same situation. To fulfill his most important official duty to Great Britain - to be a husband to the queen, to give up something, and to give in to something.
Yes, it is undoubtedly hard, as a person feels sorry for him (and indeed like a bird in a cage), but still a)he knew what he was doing when he got married, b) humility in this case is a direct indicator of masculinity and fortitude.
And Edward is such a terrible person filled with bile, and it seems to me that over 17 years a lot of it has accumulated, but he knew what he was doing, he knew the laws and what he was going to lose, but he's still angry at everyone. He may have given up everything for love, but the tears showed that love is not always enough. After all, he had been trained for this since childhood.
I was very happy about the scenes with King George, I was afraid that he would not be there anymore
and so the man bows down as he wants. at least on my knees all the time))) Anastasia: "Sick...".
The finale of the series gave me an idea: how hard it is to go against those family traditions that are brought up in us from birth. And it's even harder to believe all your life that you're making the right choice, that you've made your life happier. This is a war with oneself that cannot always be won. Usually, you need a therapist. I hug Albert and hope that in reality he did not grieve for the crown as much
Well, the final scene with the bagpipes was very touching - I can't say that David is vile or envious, yet he loved Elizabeth very much, but these tears of his were very eloquent
The taming of the obstinate Philip is a separate song) and not such knights worshipped a beautiful lady and nothing, no one's masculinity suffered, it's even attractive, damn it)
Matt Smith also portrays Phillip very well. He was really very disappointed to move out of the Clarence residence, but he was upset that he would have to obey Elizabeth. He was "slightly" moody, so to speak…
I can't break away from the series at all, I generally have problems with concentration and perseverance, especially when the series is longer than half an hour, but for some reason 50+ minutes run unnoticed with the crown.
With the broadcast of the coronation, I agree with Philip's arguments, at least he is doing something right.
I like the way the Duke of Windsor's complex emotions are played out. Letters, caustic comments, two cigarettes and this bagpipe in the fog.
I wonder how the Duke of Edinburgh really experienced this time. It seems to me that the creators of the series have turned up too much drama.
And only translators want to tear their hands off. "Smoke and Mirrors" - "Dust in the eyes", how can you work so clumsily. And I haven't heard this dubbing yet 🤦
I'm reviewing the series, and I remember that from now on it will be possible to hate him as a father too, what a disgusting person
Philip *yazhmuzhik* Edinburgh... Well, really, I'm tired of it already.
The Queen Mother is such a sweet woman.