"Oh" is just a quote from this series : I also liked all these phone connections, how long it took and how many people were involved. They showed it very dynamically.
Ah, the burden of the crown! We wanted the best... My sister was offended, my husband went on a spree, journalists are inciting, people are grumbling. Where should the poor queen go?
And Philip, it turns out, was still that reveler) It's a pity for Margaret, but she herself must understand that any actions within the family affect everyone. Tommy is infuriating beyond belief
@small_mystic: well, in fact, she does not have the full right to meddle in state affairs, they send her papers, she reads, signs, if necessary. All these business trips, meetings with the Prime Minister and other officials - this is all her daily work. The royal family in a constitutional monarchy is more of a symbol and a face, rather than a real political figure.
How cool this whole way of a phone call was shown, very much in the spirit of that time.
To what Philip completely broke away, absolute recklessness, what kind of teenage protests to ride drunk on the streets of the city? He does not understand how this can affect his own family and the monarchy as a whole? I understand that he has pride and resentment playing in his ass, but one could have lowered himself to the ground already and realized that he is married to a queen who cannot think only about how to please his hurt ego.
That's how one small insignificant gesture destroyed Margaret's secret, and entailed the most serious consequences for her and everyone involved in it. But I was really waiting for this topic to be wrapped up, it intrigued me the most. Who-who, and our princess knew how to have fun, hoho. And it's really cool that they return to such a historical fact that she was a trendsetter, she has such beautiful outfits, I'm desperately sticking.
A beautiful emerald dress on Elizabeth at dinner. And what a sexy devil Smith is, ah, keep me seven on stage, where they are getting ready for bed. That is, wait: Philip, whom Lilibet dragged into the family under crossfire, was also against Peter and Margaret? Is it him? What a fucking hypocrisy, even his wife initially supported her sister and wished her happiness. Surprisingly, they show that the Queen tried with all her might to make her sister marry a loved one, when we were presented with it in history in such a way that she was initially against such a marriage.
Tommy and the Queen Mother actually offered a real way out: wait for the princess to be 25 and do what her heart desires, and it won't affect anyone. But why would such an impetuous, desperately in love girl accept this, along with separation from someone to whom she is completely devoted? Unfortunately, Elizabeth has a difficult situation, she cannot think only as a loving sister, she must reason like a monarch, whether she wants it or not.
@chch93: Of course, it touches me how they all these stiff-necked uncle-aunts (with Tommy at the head) think: he let his wife go, yeah, but what, he should have put her on a leash or something? Peter was as stubborn as the princess in the struggle for their feelings, but all this is being crushed by the endless authority of the more than a century-old monarchy and its status, which they allegedly shook.
I've always read that Elizabeth was supposedly jealous of her sister, and therefore prevented her happiness, but the creators present everything differently: she was just defending the Crown, because she felt that such close attention to the novel of the royal person would disturb their institution. I don't see in these scenes that she is worried that her popularity among the people has fallen (and she has fallen because of the separation of lovers), she is more worried that her sister will never forgive her. I wonder if everything was done with the permission of the royal family, wasn't it created specifically to whitewash Elizabeth, who was castigated by the common people for this act with Margaret for many years?..
And why does everyone dislike Tommy so much? he performs his duties perfectly and does even more than necessary (he could find a solution to an "undesirable" affair with the help of laws, the support of the cabinet of ministers or someone else, but on the contrary he was looking for loopholes for the happiness of the princess and the peace of mind of the queen). I liked the confrontation between Peter and Tommy at the end. Peter squirmed as best he could, but it was not there ... And the actor also has a beautiful stately voice (I watch with subtitles).
In my translation on the plane, Peter addressed Elizabeth simply as "Lilibet." Didn't he break the rules? At least etiquette... I remember that they only agreed with Phillip to call each other by their first names (in an informal setting, of course) And then it's more like "male solidarity" and their similar position (they're both not members of the Royal Family)
@alina_mapc: and of course, he had insisted to Tonny and the others that the princess was to him мар Margaret, Not Her Royal Highness, although what she was мар Margaret to all these uncles, he would have called her Maggie or some kind of candy. I would have understood if he had addressed her like that, but with outsiders...
Ah, that lovely umbrella table at the entrance to the palace! After this detail, I expected to see Colin Firth or Michael Caine at the head of the table))))
Oh, how Elizabeth Philippa endured, what kind of person? Why doesn't he understand in all this time that his wife is not just a wife, but a queen? A queen with her responsibilities, that all his actions reflect on her. There's plenty of anger..
Why is everyone so annoyed with Tommy? I really like him, you always need to have such a person with you. A man who serves the crown, not the people. Who does everything so that it doesn't reflect badly on the crown. And they offered, he and the Queen mother, a great way out, wait 2 years and the way is clear, but no.
Margaret knows firsthand how much power the monarch really has, and that not everything is done with a wave of the queen's hand. She promised a meeting and tried to do her best, but not everything was within her control. And Margaret made it look like she was doing it on purpose.
And it seemed to me that the queen was upset when journalists preferred Peter to her - she asked to turn off the TV on the plane before departure, and then Lilibette. And I also noticed that Elizabeth promises too much and does not fulfill her promises - with her husband (surname and house), and now also with her sister. I wanted the best, but it turns out as always
It seems to me that this is being shown to us on purpose - how the queen's "naivety" will crumble over time. That she doesn't immediately realize that not all of her wishes can really be fulfilled. There are already completely different rules in her life.
And I don't think Tommy is nasty. He serves the crown and perfectly understands the importance and value of this institution. The character is wonderful, the actor's voice in the original and his contemptuous intonation are wonderful. It's a bon voyage, wow. And from the crown's point of view, Peter got what he deserved. He played media darling too much and went too far with Lilibet.
Yes, it's a pity that because of such "rules" a lot of people could not be together with their loved ones. feelings were not important, only benefits and the correctness of actions. I am very glad that now, compared to that time, we have much more freedom of choice.
@vafinskaya: well, his "worthiness" is not so clear, because he first had an affair with Margaret, and only then his wife left him. I'm sorry, but he's just a cheater.
@desillu: definitely. He was away from his wife and children, and instead of working, he had fun with the Princess. In addition, he was almost 20 years older than Margaret, and she was barely 20, apparently, when their romance began. So were these sincere feelings or a search for benefits?
Oh, I really want Margaret and Townsend to be together, I'm very impressed with their "forbidden" relationship, rather than what they have, but their uncle...
And Philip: I didn't like him at first, there's too much selfishness for his position, and now there's the club.
imho, Elizabeth acted badly with her sister, she is morally wrong here, but on the other hand, she had a difficult choice: to do what she should or as her heart dictates, she does not have worthy advisers, Tommy is also not easy, I think it would be wrong to say that he is just a devoted servant of the Queen, created it seems that he has other motives for his actions.
and so, of course, the series is 100/10, not the slightest boredom, despite the fact that a lot of attention is paid to details, it would be boring in a simple documentary, but everything is presented here as if we were following events in real time.
@xokpr: Townsend really upset me in this episode with his familiarity and indiscretion. How he lingered on the ramp, "lilibet", did not kiss his hand. It's ugly
@forced_deviance: I think this moment was one of the components (not the most important, of course) why the Queen decided to agree with Tommy about Townsend's early "business trip." As if it was shown for a reason)
Townsend had forgotten the most important thing, no matter how well he was considered, he was just an employee. And he decided that cheating with his younger sister gave him the right to something more. For example, to feel equal, and even more. "Lilibet" is a no-brainer at all.
I wonder if Philip went to his club without a guard, because there was no sign of her, and anyway, as they were supposed to? There is no accompanying car in the series, has there ever been one in real life?
People who hate Tommy don't quite seem to understand what the monarchy is based on, what its functions are, and so on. Tommy is one of those people who keeps everything going. If everyone starts doing whatever they want, the monarchy will fall because there will be no point in it. It will no longer be an ancient institution, but a celebrity. We see the result in the 21st year using the example of Harry and Meg. Tommy❤
@mona_liza: sleeping in separate rooms is a good old English tradition, which was followed by the entire aristocracy. And even now, many couples in the UK sleep separately.
I feel sorry for Elizabeth in this episode, she wants the best, but her sister is mad at her, her husband carouses at his parties, and she is young and responsible for the British Monarchy.
Exactly the same thoughts at the end of the episode. How she'll probably leave now and dream of partying with her husband, living the life of an "ordinary" active, beautiful girl.
Somehow I don't like that the queen herself doesn't seem to decide anything, every now and then, as noted above, she makes promises, and then once she talks to someone, her opinion changes dramatically. And they show her so insecure all the time - I wonder if that was really the case?!
@catherinnelev: the main role of the Queen is mostly in public activities - official visits, charity, communication with" subjects", attending important ceremonies. The Parliament develops laws, but they come into force only after they are signed by the Queen (although there have been no cases of disapproval of laws by the Queen). It can also appoint ministers (but the Prime Minister can also do this). She can bestow honorary titles. Passports are issued to citizens on behalf of the Queen)
But in general, the Queen acts more as a symbol of constancy for citizens
Yes, that's why there are such strict traditions in Britain. If you give people a little freedom, they'll get fucked up. No matter how much Princess Margaret loved Peter Townsend, I don't think they would have had a happy marriage.
With each episode, you can see how the Crown breaks people: first it's Philip, now it's Margaret, and it's getting closer to Elizabeth. By season 4, the royal family will be a collection of people with broken destinies, cynical and disappointed in everything. And now the naive young lady Diana will get into this terrarium.
Philip is rebelling, he has become estranged from his wife, and has actually gone on a spree. He's not broken yet, but he's moving towards it. And if you're going to die alone, you should take Margaret with you. It'll be more fun.
Many comments remind me of the attacks of the conservative press on the marriage of Harry and Meghan, how could the prince marry an actress, how is this possible?! These are all our toxic idealized ideas about how things should be, and how this Procrustean bed breaks the possibility of being a happy person. All for the Crown. Is this "Monomakh's hat" really necessary? For what purpose and at what cost?
To live at court, resplendent with dresses, With delicious dishes for lunch, Fun and feasts without seeing the edge And only idly contemplating the light,— Such a life is bitter, there is no happiness in it. Those who spend their days like this live in a dungeon And languishing in gilded shackles. (English poet Thomas Wyeth, 16th century)
The episodes fly by so fast... and this Margaret/Peter storyline is very interesting and sad. Phone calls were also very cool! I liked how the reporter let his boss know that this gesture was very intimate, and the series was very well written.
since the first episode, I don't like Philip, well, now it's not even surprising why, the most annoying character, it's a pity that Elizabeth loved him so much until the last:(
I don't feel sorry for the Queen at all. As Margaret had said, she simply couldn't stand the fact that someone was even more popular than her in the newspapers and at meetings for a few days. The whole point was that everyone wanted to see, hear, and take pictures of Peter, not the queen, oh my god! I didn't see any other real threat. As soon as Elizabeth noticed that she was being ignored and not respected enough, she immediately changed her mind. But I don't understand Margaret either, waiting 2 years is not such a loss if you can eventually marry your lover. Primitive Africans, really??? Just say that to the face of these people who are standing in front of you, but behave as if they are not here...? How disgusting. And how disgusting that now, in the 21st century, people watch it and admire this character, because she is beautiful, she has dresses, tragic love, a beautiful hairstyle, she is принц a princess, and something she said there, well, everyone has their flaws...
Umm... if you really love each other so much and are sure of your feelings, then what's the problem with waiting 2 years? What kind of drama is this from scratch? 🤷
Elizabeth became jealous of Townsend. But, it's her own fault. Taking him out in public at a time when everyone was watching his and Margaret's affair? Well, such a solution.
Philip is disgusting... I don't know what he was like in real life, but he's a rare character to look for in the series.
Discussion: Season 1, Episode 6 Join the Discussion
90liked all these phone connections, how long it took and how many people were involved. They showed it very dynamically.
It's a pity for Margaret, but she herself must understand that any actions within the family affect everyone.
Tommy is infuriating beyond belief
To what Philip completely broke away, absolute recklessness, what kind of teenage protests to ride drunk on the streets of the city? He does not understand how this can affect his own family and the monarchy as a whole? I understand that he has pride and resentment playing in his ass, but one could have lowered himself to the ground already and realized that he is married to a queen who cannot think only about how to please his hurt ego.
That's how one small insignificant gesture destroyed Margaret's secret, and entailed the most serious consequences for her and everyone involved in it. But I was really waiting for this topic to be wrapped up, it intrigued me the most.
Who-who, and our princess knew how to have fun, hoho. And it's really cool that they return to such a historical fact that she was a trendsetter, she has such beautiful outfits, I'm desperately sticking.
A beautiful emerald dress on Elizabeth at dinner. And what a sexy devil Smith is, ah, keep me seven on stage, where they are getting ready for bed.
That is, wait: Philip, whom Lilibet dragged into the family under crossfire, was also against Peter and Margaret? Is it him? What a fucking hypocrisy, even his wife initially supported her sister and wished her happiness.
Surprisingly, they show that the Queen tried with all her might to make her sister marry a loved one, when we were presented with it in history in such a way that she was initially against such a marriage.
Tommy and the Queen Mother actually offered a real way out: wait for the princess to be 25 and do what her heart desires, and it won't affect anyone. But why would such an impetuous, desperately in love girl accept this, along with separation from someone to whom she is completely devoted?
Unfortunately, Elizabeth has a difficult situation, she cannot think only as a loving sister, she must reason like a monarch, whether she wants it or not.
Peter was as stubborn as the princess in the struggle for their feelings, but all this is being crushed by the endless authority of the more than a century-old monarchy and its status, which they allegedly shook.
I've always read that Elizabeth was supposedly jealous of her sister, and therefore prevented her happiness, but the creators present everything differently: she was just defending the Crown, because she felt that such close attention to the novel of the royal person would disturb their institution. I don't see in these scenes that she is worried that her popularity among the people has fallen (and she has fallen because of the separation of lovers), she is more worried that her sister will never forgive her.
I wonder if everything was done with the permission of the royal family, wasn't it created specifically to whitewash Elizabeth, who was castigated by the common people for this act with Margaret for many years?..
I liked the confrontation between Peter and Tommy at the end. Peter squirmed as best he could, but it was not there ...
And the actor also has a beautiful stately voice (I watch with subtitles).
I remember that they only agreed with Phillip to call each other by their first names (in an informal setting, of course)
And then it's more like "male solidarity" and their similar position (they're both not members of the Royal Family)
I remember Pelevin with his fox And Fuck
Why is everyone so annoyed with Tommy? I really like him, you always need to have such a person with you. A man who serves the crown, not the people. Who does everything so that it doesn't reflect badly on the crown. And they offered, he and the Queen mother, a great way out, wait 2 years and the way is clear, but no.
And Philip: I didn't like him at first, there's too much selfishness for his position, and now there's the club.
imho, Elizabeth acted badly with her sister, she is morally wrong here, but on the other hand, she had a difficult choice: to do what she should or as her heart dictates, she does not have worthy advisers, Tommy is also not easy, I think it would be wrong to say that he is just a devoted servant of the Queen, created it seems that he has other motives for his actions.
and so, of course, the series is 100/10, not the slightest boredom, despite the fact that a lot of attention is paid to details, it would be boring in a simple documentary, but everything is presented here as if we were following events in real time.
That's how Townsend addressed her on the plane, and it hurt.
And even now, many couples in the UK sleep separately.
The Parliament develops laws, but they come into force only after they are signed by the Queen (although there have been no cases of disapproval of laws by the Queen). It can also appoint ministers (but the Prime Minister can also do this).
She can bestow honorary titles.
Passports are issued to citizens on behalf of the Queen)
But in general, the Queen acts more as a symbol of constancy for citizens
Not an ecclesiastical deity for the people, it can still be considered this way
Philip is rebelling, he has become estranged from his wife, and has actually gone on a spree. He's not broken yet, but he's moving towards it. And if you're going to die alone, you should take Margaret with you. It'll be more fun.
Many comments remind me of the attacks of the conservative press on the marriage of Harry and Meghan, how could the prince marry an actress, how is this possible?! These are all our toxic idealized ideas about how things should be, and how this Procrustean bed breaks the possibility of being a happy person. All for the Crown. Is this "Monomakh's hat" really necessary? For what purpose and at what cost?
To live at court, resplendent with dresses,
With delicious dishes for lunch,
Fun and feasts without seeing the edge
And only idly contemplating the light,—
Such a life is bitter, there is no happiness in it.
Those who spend their days like this live in a dungeon
And languishing in gilded shackles. (English poet Thomas Wyeth, 16th century)
The episodes fly by so fast... and this Margaret/Peter storyline is very interesting and sad. Phone calls were also very cool! I liked how the reporter let his boss know that this gesture was very intimate, and the series was very well written.
ahahahah
And Margaret is very sorry.
I liked their pairing with Peter
, and the actor is good.
and Elizabeth is having a hard time, of course
, with age-old traditions and an eternally disadvantaged hubby.
Rules and sister…
The atmosphere, the music, the game are just wonderful.
I kind of understand Lilibet's action, but I really feel sorry for my sister. I feel intrigues and scandals are waiting for us.
And respect to the reporter, it was damn smart of him to make the most of this whole situation. ✨
Primitive Africans, really??? Just say that to the face of these people who are standing in front of you, but behave as if they are not here...? How disgusting. And how disgusting that now, in the 21st century, people watch it and admire this character, because she is beautiful, she has dresses, tragic love, a beautiful hairstyle, she is принц a princess, and something she said there, well, everyone has their flaws...
Of course, Margaret doesn't have brains, but neither does life experience. What is a tragedy at 23 is not worth a damn at 40.
Why is there always a second bottom behind all these loves of theirs? Pride, self-love, selfishness, vanity spoil everything, just not love.
Elizabeth became jealous of Townsend. But, it's her own fault. Taking him out in public at a time when everyone was watching his and Margaret's affair? Well, such a solution.
Philip is disgusting... I don't know what he was like in real life, but he's a rare character to look for in the series.