s05e17 — Forever

Buffy the Vampire Slayer — s05e17 — Forever

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Release Date: 18.04.2001 04:00
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Discussion: Season 5, Episode 17
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Hikkityan
Hikkityan
24 Mar 2017, 22:19 #
It pisses me off Don, with Xander as a couple.
Нестин
Нестин
29 Mar 2020, 23:09 #
@Hikkityan: Xander may do some shit a lot, but what's wrong with him in this episode?
Иерарх
Иерарх
26 Jul 2020, 19:38 #
@Nestin: and in general, Xander has become much more adequate this season.
dreamofFreud
dreamofFreud
03 Jul 2017, 02:35 #
Sarah is wonderful in this episode, especially at the end)And in general, she is very beautiful this season))
Kseniia_VN
Kseniia_VN
04 Apr 2019, 04:17 #
Tell me, Angel had a ring that made a vampire invulnerable. And here he worries about the dawn
I didn't watch the TV series Angel, maybe it explained something happened to the ring?
hanginhan
hanginhan
04 Apr 2019, 13:44 #
@Kseniia_VN: It was shown in "angel" that he broke Amara's gem
Kseniia_VN
Kseniia_VN
09 Apr 2019, 18:53 #
Thank you very much!
mariya19xj
mariya19xj
04 Oct 2020, 03:11 #
What makes you think it got to him at all, if you didn't watch the TV series angel?)))
Kseniia_VN
Kseniia_VN
05 Oct 2020, 04:30 #
That's why I asked, and a knowledgeable person answered me
Mr_Mizzrim
Mr_Mizzrim
17 Oct 2020, 01:03 #
Still, Buffy and Angel are such a good couple. When he arrived, I was nostalgic for the first seasons. Riley was nothing at all and they had a proper relationship. And no, not because he's not "bad" enough, on the contrary, I look at how Angel comforts Buffy and see how well he understands her. They still had love, not crazy passion.
With the same Spike, it's fun for me to look at it as a fanservice, but it's far from the same as Buffy and Angel. And Angel doesn't have the same attitude towards Buffy..
I understand why they broke up, in those conditions it would have been impossible to continue, it's just.. sorry
And it's a pity that since this is a fantastic series, they wouldn't have made some kind of feint and in the end the Angel became a man
Although it might be boring.
Purple_unicorn
Purple_unicorn
19 Oct 2020, 04:35 #
@Mr_Mizzrim: yes, I also always understood that Angel and Buffy are something special, he always understood her better than others, perhaps because he has been living for a long time, or maybe not. That's why I was so happy to see him here, that he came and supported her.
nfglth
nfglth
PRO
03 Aug 2023, 23:15 #
@Mr_Mizzrim: "in the end, an Angel became a man" - there was an episode in the TV series Angel
MoneyBarney
MoneyBarney
29 Nov 2021, 10:12 #
And yet, no matter what they say about Spike, but he really changed, and it wasn't the chip's fault, before he would never have sacrificed himself for the whim of people, but here it is clearly visible that he cares, he wants to help himself, and he liked Joyce.
An angel is like a piece of the past, and a pleasant reference to the first seasons. Their relationship with Buffy is really something special, but alas, it has already passed.
hellyafckinright
hellyafckinright
30 Mar 2022, 21:13 #
I just remembered about Angel, saying he should know about this, he should support Buffy in such a situation, no matter how they broke up. And then he appears😭
EmrelyK
EmrelyK
16 May 2022, 00:46 #
How annoying is the stupidity of the Xender.
He continues to act according to the scenario "I am not a din myself, I will not give it to another."

He is offended by any choice Buffy makes that does not fit into the framework of his normal life.
He approved of Riley only because he could identify with him. A kind of Marty Sue from wet fantasies. With a man, a military man.
Someone who, hypothetically, Xander himself could become and whom he could understand.
But he will never understand the love of Bafia and Angel, and of course Spike, who has changed.
Underwood
Underwood
17 Aug 2022, 22:02 #
The girl, of course, has been shown dumb before, but here is some kind of a whole new level. "I want to revive the "mother" with the help of the most dangerous spell, having no experience in magic, and Spike decided to help. Hmm, what's he doing? Damn, that's right! Buffy praises for that."

As a result, something was torn and nothing was allowed to happen, and Spike was also injured again. The desire for Dawn to be removed from the series was already unbearable.
Allons_y
Allons_y
26 Nov 2022, 22:08 #
The presence of Dawn in this and the previous series caused my fifth point to blaze.
Okay, she's a teenager and all that. Okay. But damn, it pisses me off that her very existence gives Buffy an extra headache. Buffy is in complete shock herself, she doesn't know what she's doing or how she's doing it. She needs support and support herself, and here she has to forget about herself and comfort her younger "sister". These claims from Dawn, they say, you don't cry, you don't care about mom, you plan something, you decide something. Damn, yes, Buffy has to decide something. Because it's necessary. This Don can allow his sister to sit on her neck and dangle her legs. No one demands anything from her, everyone is jumping around her. And Buffy...Well, she's strong, she can handle it... Strong, yes, but not iron.

In short, the only useful thing Dawn did was destroy the photo. I was afraid Buffy would have to deal with this shit on her own.
KatrinVamp
KatrinVamp
PRO
20 Feb 2023, 03:06 #
Sad episode again, give Buffy-Spike more!
Iradakzlv
Iradakzlv
19 May 2023, 20:25 #
What a disgusting, unbearable woman this Dawn is! The series would be better without her! I'm fucked up
Aydan9
Aydan9
11 Jul 2023, 19:19 #
Xander is such a nasty type, it's not for nothing that I hate him from the first episode…
etozhemudila
etozhemudila
04 Oct 2023, 15:45 #
It's terrible that Dawn fell on Buffy at such a moment. it's terribly unfair, I don't see Buffy's beloved sister in her, just an annoying teenager. I don't feel any sympathy for this character, she's out of place at all, so it's just another task for Buffy
whale
whale
22 Nov 2023, 20:31 #
Poor Buffy 💔
whale
whale
22 Nov 2023, 20:32 #
And it's a pity for Spike, they're always chasing him
whale
whale
22 Nov 2023, 20:32 #
detraque
detraque
03 Jul 2025, 16:59 #
@whale: The best couple of the series
lunasa
lunasa
22 Feb 2025, 07:03 #
Pisses Don off. It feels like she's forgotten that Joyce isn't really her mother. He demands to revive her, as if he even has the right to do so. And Buffy has to support Dawn all the time, even though Buffy's grief happened.
The whole season, it feels like she's taking away some of Buffy's support. He takes over everything. Incredibly annoying.
Hollyleaf
Hollyleaf
08 Apr 2025, 17:11 #
Ben damn God, why couldn't he even finish off some defenseless monster?! By the way, why doesn't he get fucked up like Gloria without brain power, like she eats for the two of them?
Нестин
Нестин
09 Apr 2025, 22:58 #
@Hollyleaf: Because Ben is not a God.
MrsChimodanova
MrsChimodanova
09 Apr 2025, 23:16 #
@Nestin: Well, why spoiler it? At this stage, it is still unknown what it is.
Hollyleaf
Hollyleaf
08 Apr 2025, 17:47 #
I just thought that an Angel might appear and here he is) It's even nice that they periodically insert him, not that he just left for himself and lives somewhere, but as if he was looking after her)
detraque
detraque
03 Jul 2025, 17:02 #
@Hollyleaf: the main thing is not to read comics afterwards((
Hollyleaf
Hollyleaf
03 Jul 2025, 17:33 #
@detraque: Not that I was going to, but why is that?
detraque
detraque
04 Jul 2025, 10:35 #
@Hollyleaf: Spoiler alert if you read the comics:


Angel and Buffy won't be together in the comics(
Hollyleaf
Hollyleaf
08 Apr 2025, 17:54 #
Well, they also couldn't properly explain why it was impossible to resurrect the dead from their own experience (Willow also supported it)?! "Because it's bad" - cool! A weighty argument for a heartbroken teenage girl
MoyraBing
MoyraBing
PRO
20 Jul 2025, 13:40 #
This big-nosed demon assistant of the Serene Highness seems to me very charismatic)) he seems to be quite nasty, but at the same time charming 🫣
lest_forget
lest_forget
PRO
02 Dec 2025, 16:09 #
@MoyraBing: I also liked the female a couple of episodes later. In the old voiceover, she was voiced by a man, in the new one by a woman, and I realized a long time ago that it was because of the original voice)
lest_forget
lest_forget
PRO
02 Dec 2025, 10:44 #
Watching this episode always brings up associations with the "Pet Cemetery")
bonesngold
bonesngold
08 Apr 01:51 #
And I like the story with Dawn, she's actually a reflection of what Buffy was like before she became a slayer. Yes, she's acting stupidly and thoughtlessly, but she's only 14, and in fact she's only been living in this world for six months and is facing real life and grief for the first time.
It's a pity that Buffy has had so much to do, she's had so much responsibility since she was young, but now she needs to be truly grown up. It's a good scene at the end, Buffy and Dawn became real sisters at that moment.
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