The episode was pleased with two compositions by the RADIOHEAD collective - Fake Plastic Trees and Motion Picture Soundtrack. The series, as always, answered some questions, but, of course, asked new ones. The boy really turned out to be a young robot version of Robert, who also hears voices. Elsie found out that hosts can lie, which should give a new twist to Bernard and Dolores' conversations if they continue. Now worry for a week about who grabbed Elsie and if she's going to be okay - the character is one of my favorites. Teddy showed that he really is not as simple as you might think! I wish I could have taken a moment to clarify where Lawrence, Dolores, and William were. And Lee Sizemore's gaffe in the bar with the Delos representative is just a standing ovation from me! Well, Maeve is the undisputed queen of this series! Her line is probably the most interesting one right now!
@Luizot: Maeve's line pleases. And of course she wasn't the queen of the series, yesterday was Thandie Newton's birthday. Her acting career may not be the most impressive, but as an actress and as a woman she is wonderful, especially for her age.
@Terverus: I don't really like Elsie either, but why is she stupid? In my opinion, she does her job, and does it better than others. She's the one who notices all sorts of oddities and glitches with androids. Her only fail so far is to go to that abandoned theater alone. And then, there were reasons for this move: the sector was abandoned, in theory, no one should be there (even if there were, androids could not harm, and people could hardly wander there at all, given that no plot leads there). Any whore in a brothel is more likeable because she wears fewer clothes :)
@Terverus: Well, first of all, no one would just let maniacs into the park. Ford said that they know everything about their guests, so everyone is carefully selected for the park. Plot assassins won't be able to kill a human, just like any other android (yet). No stone can fall on the head there, the park is completely controlled by a computer. Not a single fly will fly there without the knowledge of the management. What are you watching anyway?
@Mirari: In the first episodes, we were shown how androids don't react to flies on their body/face, and Dolores killed the fly. It was a way to show us that things were changing with her.
Bernard found five abnormal hosts. But there were four people there. Or does the dog count too?
That is, someone made changes to some hosts, and now they can lie and do something wrong according to the script. Question: who. We will look further.
It's unclear: Teddy bextory was invented and introduced just the other day about Sculpting. The man in black has been coming here for years, playing games, exploring plots. Now he's trying to get to the bottom of the main game in his opinion. And now he needs a Sculpture. That is, either this game develops along the way and doesn't really have an end, or it's not a game, but just some kind of nonsense.
Maeve is a favorite character. It is unclear why she is capable of what she is capable of. After all, other androids don't experience anything like this. Even Dolores. She's got her own thing there, with voices and visions.
And as for walking through the floors and the fact that all her thoughts and dialogues are spelled out, it's just a tin can. Imagine what they're going to tell us now. It seems like we're choosing whether to get up or sit down, sleep or eat. To say this or that. But in fact, everything is according to the script. She was in shock, again in accordance with the prescribed emotions, I guess. Or did she start developing her own?
@Luizot: Yes, Maeve's line is the most interesting, but it is also potentially the most ill-conceived and unrealistic. From the little things starting and ending with epic inconsistencies in logic. 1. Sylvester makes a remark to Felix that Maeve is sitting in his dress. And then they kind of stripped her so as not to attract attention? And it's okay that she sits in the premises of butcher technicians, where she should generally be exclusively in a state of an insensitive carcass while they pick at her. So any outsider would be alarmed to see them talking to her, even in a dress, even naked. Not to mention the "safety" of Felix's previous walk with her on all floors. 2. How could techies interfere with Maeve's internal logic at all? Like, they have a stolen behavioral tablet. But such things must be logged in and logged in three times, otherwise they will soon have every cleaner there, pulling off what was lying badly, will begin to reprogram the hosts. It does not happen in a normally debugged IT system. Well, let's say they have a mess there. 3. Motivation of techies. Come on? Cho, the guys have never heard of blackmail and are not afraid of a machine uprising? And it seems reasonable to them to increase the intelligence of an android with incomprehensible motivations and aggressive behavior? If I were Sylvester, the first thing after Maeve removed the scalpel from my neck, I fucked her on the head with something heavy, then I trampled on the memory device (to close the issue with blackmail), and then I went to report to the security service to write about a spontaneously activated android capable of threatening a person with murder.
@austriachka: Well, as if she had already woken up more than once, although she should have been in sleep mode. Moreover, in the next episode, she remained fully conscious during a visit to a brothel by a team of technicians who "froze" all the other hosts. So no, whatever these soft half-measures - heavy, on the head.
@Seraph6: Am I really not the only one who is infuriated by the inconsistencies in her line? Techies generally behave like banderlogs in front of Kaa, and they did what Maeve said. Neither reasonableness nor logic in behavior.
@ochki: he didn't just write it down, he made his own robot, I kept wondering why it seemed to me that Bernard and Arnold had similar names.. and now it finally dawned on Arnold Weber, this is an anagram of Bernard Lowe. This means that Bernard is definitely not real and may have been made the way Arnold wanted him to be, with consciousness. And now he's doing the same thing to Dolores.
@miriam79: Gradual lifting of restrictions on killing, I think. First on other robots and androids, and then on humans. Like it was with Dolores in the barn. There is a clear parallel here: the dog is the guests of the park.
@tatabsu: It seems to me that Arnold disappeared in the park for a reason... And the dog is a message to that accomplice of the disappearance. But for now, it's being pointed out too clearly, and there's bound to be some kind of twist.
@Sarole: @Sarole: Is that it?)) Too many) I'll try to write something that seemed very important. I hope I will be complemented. If we take only the facts, we don't go too deep into theories about timelines.: - The founders of the park were Robert (Hopkins) and Arnold. Arnold wanted to make robots more human, and probably ended up hating the park he created himself. The sign of the maze is in Arnold's notebook, which Hopkins took out in this series (there is also a portrait of Dolores). - There are only 82 androids left, created during Arnold's time. 47, created by him personally (Dolores from this number) - The old generation of androids is self-aware for some reason. Dolores began to recall the previous builds after the phrase "violent feelings have a violent ending," and she whispered this phrase to Maeve. But! Dolores hears Arnold's voice, Maeve doesn't. I don't know how significant this is: Dolores sees the church in her glitches - Hopkins moved the model of the church in this series (the church is the entrance to the maze, Hopkins breaks the park in search of the maze itself, really?..)). - Someone rewrote the android code, androids can lie. Someone with a high enough access level changes their configuration and leaves no trace. Again, here we return to Dolores: she rewrites the code for herself and turns from a defenseless sheep into a shooter. - Androids can change roles, but it is not reported how often. They are regularly repaired and put back into operation (this would explain the changes of Lawrence-El Lazo in the last episode.. And this is a minus to the timeline theory: about Maeve, "you've been a brothel owner for a year," and Dolores has been a farmer's daughter for 30 years, Riley?) - There's too much intrigue in the park: espionage, the head of the control department is digging under Hopkins! - The Man in Black once made a serious financial investment in the park and saved it from ruin, for which he received the status of a VIP client. He knows Arnold and Robert personally. Logan and William are guests of the park, but Logan talks about his family's connection to the park, and William is almost married to his sister. And I probably forgot a lot more important things.
@Marisa5478: About this point: - Dolores began to recall the previous builds after the phrase "violent feelings have a violent end," and she whispered this phrase to Maeve. But! Dolores hears Arnold's voice, Maeve doesn't. Maybe this phrase is a code phrase for the beginning of self-awareness, and it is written in the code of all androids (as a copied database from the codes of the original androids, which none of the later generation of programmers noticed), but in the androids of the first generation there is a timer created by Arnold, in the form of his voice in his head, appearing at a certain moment the moment; and androids of new generations can only be triggered by this phrase. - There is too much intrigue in the park: espionage, the head of the control department is digging under Hopkins! Since Teresa is collecting classified information about the park, she may be: a) a hired Cossack from a rival company, and Ford is trying to oust him because the rival company got everything it wanted. b) actually represents the board, and collects information on their behalf - I suspect that the board cannot get all the information from Ford, because he has the highest level of access to everything, and they want, naturally, to control the process. And now that Ford has new incomprehensible ideas, everyone is afraid that he has moved slightly and will bury his brainchild. By the way, here's another thought - what if Logan is the son of a PMT? The propensity to violence is very similar. Although, of course, Logan is a little dumb compared to PMCs)))
@Marisa5478: Although Maeve has been the owner of the brothel for about a year, it is unknown who she was before that (just a mother?) and what time it is. It still seems to me that she is also from the first generation.
@Lever_Rina: "Again, here we go back to Dolores: she rewrites the code for herself and turns from a defenseless sheep into a shooter."
What makes you think she rewrote the code for herself? Maybe someone in the main office did their best? Perhaps that person with a high level of access monitors his rebels, and corrects their program where necessary.
@Scheusalwirt: I don't think that phrase in itself has any meaning. It all started with the fact that due to the new feature "Dreams", some androids have partial access to past logs and archives. The first to "show themselves" were Dolores' father, who previously played the role of a "charismatic serial maniac who loved to quote Shakespeare" and the partner of the bandit who attacked the farm, who loved to drink milk and shot all his boss's enemies from previous scenarios in the tavern, "as if he harbored a grudge" (no one quoted Shakespeare to him). They were written off and sent to the basement. Dolores said this phrase again because she remembers her previous "father", i.e. she also has this same access to past logs. Maeve most likely became withdrawn not so much because of the quote itself, but because of Dolores' extremely atypical behavior, especially if her "paranoia/suspiciousness" scale was already high then. (Perhaps because of this problem, the "Arnold's voice" with the instructions became louder as soon as the old archive recordings were activated along with the previous, previously forgotten logs).
@KotyaV: Hmm, yes, it looks logical! Although I'm not really sure about the trigger for Maeve - I think she would miss just the atypical behavior of Dolores. Maybe she was in that old version of the maniac dad, too, and that's why she started remembering, just like Dolores.
@Fhrr: It was said that a few builds ago he had another role, the role of a maniac who quoted Shakespeare's lines. After he started remembering it, he was replaced by another android with a black mustache.
@Lala_B: Why does everyone say some kind of person? Bernard talks to Dolores and he told her, quite clearly, that she was changing and he would not interfere. And he also said something like "it was a mistake, I shouldn't have done it," that is, in fact, he said that he did it. We take the fact that Bernard is an anagram to Arnold, and it turns out that before his death, he made sure that all his robots gained consciousness and freedom. I think there are several people/robots with their own goals. Ford wants one, PMF wants the second, Bernard wants the third, and I don't rule out that there is someone else.. plus the robots themselves
How gorgeous Maeve is! It seemed like Dolores was the lead female in this series, but in this episode, Maeve pushed all the Dolores scenes for me. What great music while they were walking around the office with an employee!
The wonderful soundtrack from the movie I Am the Beginning of Radiohead - Motion Picture Soundtrack pleased, created such an incredible atmosphere With each episode there are more and more puzzles, it's unbearable to wait for new episodes! Maeve is a beauty, Teddy constantly surprises with his changes, a very interesting line with Ford's "personal" androids (especially the boy Robert, he has some kind of special role in all this), Dolores and Logan and William were missing, but judging by the promo for the next series, they will catch up, and these detective intrigues of Elsie! Now I have to wait a week and hope that everything is all right with her. In general, it's getting more and more interesting)
@Terverus: It's a shame when a troll doesn't know that the name "Motion Picture Soundtrack", like the entire album, was written long before the filming of this series. (Either on kid hey or on paranoidandroid, too lazy to Google)
@deathkid12: These are two different songs (Fake Plastic Trees and Motion Picture Soundtrack), both featured in the series.: The first is played on the piano at the very beginning of the series, the second is played during Maeve's tour of the upper floors.
The face of the PMF when Teddy started smashing up the soldiers)))))
Episode - fire! Maeve is so smart, and she's lucky to have these moron lab assistants)) I hope she leads the rebellion))
Well, before Elsie's discovery, it was a little disappointing (((I was hoping that androids would evolve and realize what was happening on their own...but it turned out that they were all programmed during the course of the series...
The theater where Elsie went is eerily simple...It was just asking for something bad. And Elsie is so fearless, it turns out..
@Sheeva: not their own. Did you miss the moment when the lab technicians discovered that they were working on Maeve? Her sense of paranoia and self-preservation was increased... someone with a high level of access.
And Arnold's voice is heard only by old robots, as far as I understand.
@Lala_B: I thought that we had been working on her very, very recently, maybe even after she started asking questions to speed up her development. Because it's hard to believe that none of the "behaviorists" noticed this for so long, but some "butchers" who didn't really look into it immediately saw it.
@Lala_B: maybe you can help me clarify an aspect of why fellow lab technicians, ignoring the directives, nevertheless interfered with the configuration settings of the robot, knowing that it could not harm them? especially in the case when they have a remote control and it can be cut off somehow.
@znaika: It's a hole, just a hole. The whole explanation of which is that they are "cowardly idiots." I cannot and do not want to believe in this move. Okay, when there was still this Asian man alone, but when there are already two involved in this nonsense...
@zoomcha: it's not that crazy, they're just in a desperate situation. Maeve knows their secrets. They can't make Maeve's intelligence lower - she's the owner of a brothel and must be smart, that she's downcast will immediately be noticed by behaviorists. They will start looking at the history of changes, questions will arise, they will start asking them and Maeve, a lot of problems, possible dismissal from work ... In short, with the motivation of dudes, it is logical. With T.Z there is no common sense))
@znaika: She doesn't pass out that way. It's the umpteenth time she's spontaneously awakened from sleep mode, and they know it. They can't stop her..Plus, they've already messed up so much with stealing the tablet and conducting experiments, and Sylvester is already an accomplice..if they admit their mistakes to the management, they are screwed - at least they will be fired. And here at least there's a chance to do what Maeve says, and maybe she'll leave them alone.
@zoomcha: I reviewed it in the original today. like they fell for the blackmail of a robot, which can be erased by clicking 3 buttons on the remote control. It's sad.
@Lala_B: well, you can just write it off in the "basement" too. It's strange that they didn't. But at least there's a chance to do what Maeve says, and maybe she'll leave them alone. if there is a probabilistic value, then it is not a fact that there will be a correct and necessary result. robo-mentoring from a creature that can be disabled for one or two by changing the settings does not look very convincing:(
@znaika: and what's the point of wasting memory? Did you hear Felix? He said it himself: "I don't understand how you remember all this." Well, would they knock her out now, but what's the use? She would be killed in the park again, she would come to them again, and it would all happen again. Moreover, working with her memory is not their competence, they would start asking questions.
@znaika: Well, don't forget that she can probably kill them, not now, when they have the remote control, but after. They're not robots, they're not coming back.
@znaika: well, you can just write it off in the "basement" too. It's strange that they didn't.
They don't have the authority to write someone off. They are ordinary technicians, and their only task is to patch up corpses. Any hint that they weren't doing their own thing is the end of them) so they're afraid.
@Mirari: Well, hello, Uncle. Otherwise, I watch such highly intelligent comments like "radiohead azztoi", "lost for the half-witted", "TV series shit", but I watched it until episode 6. Do you know the meaning of the word "shipping" at all?) I wish you good luck and a Happy New Year.
@Lala_B: Yeah, the fearless fool. who decided to play the spy, and for the second time is running into physical violence. And how confident she is with herself when she talks about wanting to undermine her lover's tough boss, like right now she'll quickly expose her, and you, Bernard, are too much for anyone))) A hand reaches for her face with each of her antics)
@Lala_B: By the way, for me, exactly the opposite is true, the series would have dropped a lot in quality with all this "mysticism" of evolution and so on. It's a good thing that this hackneyed and tired idea was dispensed with. It was high time to make sure that machines are machines, which, by the way, is a more difficult scenario task than allowing such banal entropy as "they thought of it themselves", which can essentially be attributed to everything.
There was a cowboy robot on the 82nd floor. It was hard to see because of the lighting, but it looked like the Black-clad Shooter from the original movie. Was it really a reference to the movie itself?
By the way, Ford's father from this house looks suspiciously like Arnold's photo in Ford's office from 1x03. A vest, a shirt, a little face. Maybe that's why Bernard called him that.
I will write what many have already written.: I really like the opening of this series. It brings me even more emotional delight than the already legendary opening of Game of Thrones. Goosebumps run down my spine every time I play the last chords. It beautiful I think that the most difficult work of the composers lies precisely in writing the title theme of the film and the series. Javadi is just unrealistically successful at this.
That in all six episodes, the real world was never shown, outside of the entire park and the lower floors. Even the screenwriter was relaxing within the park. It seems very strange to me. And how did Ford suddenly show up at his family's house? A secret passage? There was a particularly creepy moment when he was talking to little Robert, who had killed the dog. Ford himself began to realize that something was amiss.
"Guys, it's going to be fun now." Oh yeah, it's really fun. You can't watch such epic ongoings, the waiting just kills. I really like that they show different characters, rather than focusing on the most important ones. It's a great episode.
@kkvark: From the very first episode, the same suspicions (although it is banal). Or, alternatively, all the robots except for one single character, which of course you wouldn't think of, the gray and inconspicuous third from the left in the fifth row.
@AliceBale: It seems to me that the real world is not shown in order to avoid the need to invent what the world looks like with this level of technology. Well, and, accordingly, a lot of discussions on this topic.
The musical theme from the intro ("opening"?) it strongly resembles the theme from Game of Thrones (also Javadi), if not to say carbon copy. It seems that fantasy is not his strong suit...
These guys from the hole-patching department are just complete idiots. Although of course both have skeletons in their closets, I don't think that indulging an android in order to enhance its abilities will solve their problem. Something happened to Elsie in the classics. Indeed, going to such a place alone is somewhat reckless. Although I hoped that androids began to realize themselves on their own, but alas. It seems that Arnold made a clone of himself and he began to run amok. However, it is unclear why right now or something activated it. Maybe it was just some kind of trigger. Dolores' father found a photo of the real world, maybe it just became an activation. It all started with him. I wonder if Maeve is also from the first generation or not. Although, of course, she has moved far away from Dolores in the process of understanding.
@Ardiff: so Maeve has an intelligence of 14, the maximum for a robot, and what kind of parameters Dolores has is written with a pitchfork on the water, because why does a farmer's daughter need brains, she has enough beauty! Although she has already started to figure out some things!
@Luizot: yes, it's not easy to understand, but to change the matrix of your behavior a little more than completely. However, the question remains, they either edit their code themselves in some way, or all these parameters are embedded and simply activated.
@SpringSpark, @id80211550: From the point of view of a self-confident rational person, of course, this is stupid behavior. But in real life, I've encountered people who act idiotically so many times that it looks quite plausible. How many times have criminals cracked during the simplest interrogations, when they should have kept quiet, and nothing would have happened to them - simply because they could not cope with the pressure. And so do people who have nothing to fear.: old ladies who buy sets of dishes for 10 thousand rubles. The shady personalities who rang the bell have simple managers who buy apartments on credit at extortionate interest rates, not being sure that they will keep their jobs... Sometimes smart thoughts come too late)) And if a person is not sure of himself in principle, and even blinded by ambitions, like this Chukchi boy (I want to be a programmer! and all that), it's even easier to get him hooked.
@Scheusalwirt: you give examples where stupid people have become victims of smarter people. And here is a programmed android and a reasonable person. They even made a reference to the 2001 Space Odyssey, saying that she was just running a brothel, not an orbital station.
@id80211550: That's right, since she's just an android from a brothel, what can she do? Which of these two really had time to think about the consequences? Well, he'll become a little more confident in himself, so what - that's how they thought the most. And the psychology subroutine embedded in it easily found something to put pressure on to make a deal.
@id80211550: Well, yes, everything is strict there, but still conversations are not written, and even Bernard communicates in secret. And if something happens, you can always say, "Well, yes, I told the android that he was an android, so what? I didn't find her questions strange, and she should forget everything soon." It's not their place to understand android behavior. They'll get off with a slight fright for forgetting to report. up
@id80211550: Yes, there are so many ways to besiege this robo-whore, but the most important thing is that the real motive is not to besiege her so-so. It's not easy to get out of work there, you can probably get money there, and so on, the labor contracts are probably not simple. I couldn't bear to look at these idiots. Especially after she threatened to kill with a scalpel.
@id80211550: By the way, about aggression and bluff indicators. I think if the indicators are high, it means that a person will attack anyone he doesn't like, regardless of the degree of threat. And if the indicators are low, then it is quite normal that in ordinary life a person does not show them, as, in fact, Maeve did, and in the case of a direct threat to existence (a situation in which it turns out that you are a robot, and you do not have the right to choose, and so on), then you can use hidden reserves. She might as well not be bluffing in this situation.
@SpringSpark: It's very simple.: She remembers everything, and if they knock her out, she'll tell about them. If they make her a fool by lowering all the parameters, it will be investigated by behaviorists and, accordingly, these guys will lose their jobs again. That's the bare minimum of what went through those goofs' heads.
@id80211550: the more difficult question, of course, is how deep they will go into them and whether they will go at all... :-D
I've seen so many times in practice how people who are well aware that their corporate mail is saved and viewed would still confuse it with their personal mail and then be very surprised and offended when their correspondence suddenly surfaced. And someone was lucky. And some people just didn't pay attention. Sometimes, for the time being.
A wonderful series! I don't want to describe everything, it doesn't make sense, I'll just highlight what I liked the most. Maeve. Truly the queen of this series! I like her charisma. It would seem that an ordinary whore, even if she runs a brothel, is not as simple as it seems at first glance. Personally, in the first episode, I could not have imagined that she would go so far. I thought it would be Dolores, but no. She wasn't in this episode at all, and I didn't even notice. Maeve's storyline is too interesting)) I can't help but mention the simply divine music when an employee showed her the "inner kitchen" of the park! We'll need to look for this music.
yesterday I read interesting answers to the most important questions of this series) especially, what is the Main Quest that the Man In the Hat is trying to complete? http://andeadd.livejournal.com/1355007.html
maybe Arnold really moved online, digitized his consciousness, and he created this park for himself, but he has someone who works for him, because if he himself is alive, then it would be a banal move (
I wonder what an increased level of self-awareness can give? It seemed to me that it either exists or it doesn't exist. And then she just got high. Or is half of self-awareness like that of a dog, which is aware of itself, but is not able to realize the world around it and himself in it? So it's like a breadth of consciousness? Then this is probably the most important parameter, which, along with intelligence, made a human out of a monkey!
Maeve evolves rapidly and will be the messiah of androids, and then of all mankind) You give all the parameters at 100! :)
Curiously, many people like this Maeve rebellion, but I associate myself with the other side, and I am indignant that these outright cowardly idiots of laboratory assistants allow all this at all)). In general, they consider this scenario far-fetched, because the explanation for this is solely the stupidity and cowardice of laboratory technicians. They can besiege her at any second, erase everything, and report the problem to the right place. How do you understand the bonus for them will be that they will now fuck her and other whores and take money from other laboratory assistants for it? )) In general, what does this robot whore allow himself!? I'm just burnt out from all this). I see an undeniable advantage for myself that the series did not slip into "mysticism", "self-evolution" and other self-awareness due to a happy accident, bug, etc. Even at the very beginning, as I learned about this series, I thought maybe this time they would get rid of this outdated idea and do something more adult and intellectual. It was high time to make sure that machines are machines, which, by the way, is a more difficult scenario task than allowing such banal entropy as "they thought of it themselves", which can essentially be attributed to everything. I'm glad that it almost turned out that way, well.. almost))
@zoomcha: "They can besiege her at any second, erase everything, and report the problem to the right place."
In theory, of course, but in practice there are enough examples when the problem is diligently swept under the rug, so as not to go "where it needs to go", because "from where it needs to come" will fly to everyone and in full.
@Jaruschka: It's clear that they got themselves more and more involved, but they didn't have to start, right at the very moment when she woke up with the bird.
@zoomcha: this, again, is in theory, but in practice, when she woke up with the bird, it wasn't even close to the beginning (because by that time Maeve was already coming out of sleep mode, and the bird and tablet were also stolen, and they had time to have fun with dolls more than once).
@zoomcha: Well, plus, the Chinese clearly has a purely professional interest, no wonder they were playing tricks on the bird. And the second one peed, of course, and then there are the offers of sex)
Who watched the old Westworld in 1973, did anyone have the feeling that the underground floor where Bernard descends at the beginning of the series are the same underground corridors that the characters in the film ran through? I understand that the situation is not one-on-one, but he is clearly on an abandoned floor with outdated equipment, etc. And, most importantly, this moment with the figure of a cowboy is very reminiscent of Yula Brynner, isn't it?))
In general, it is quite possible that they could have written the events of the old movie into the series, like the old past, when robots were completely unstable pieces of hardware. Moreover, they showed the insides of Arnold's first models using the example of mini-Robert, and they are the same machines as in the old movie, and not like brand-new ones with muscles and blood.
Someone explain about Dolores. After all, she was already able to pull the trigger and killed a certain number of people (or were they androids?) in the hayloft for the first time and then with William, when she had already been changed. In this case, why didn't the park management raise a panic and write it off, for example? or at least not trying to figure out and repair the farmer's daughter? after all, it is now unknown what to expect from her, suddenly she will open fire on visitors.
@Sinewave: If it had been the Guests that Dolores had killed, then most likely the management would have started a panic. They collect dead androids every night to patch them up. But considering that Dolores has a real revolver, at some point she may shoot the Guest. They tried to grab her at one point, but decided not to interfere with the pleasure of the guest, William to be more precise.
@Sinewave: In one of the episodes, it was said that Dolores had left her line, but the question immediately followed: "is she accompanying a guest?", therefore androids can travel with people going beyond their stories. Most likely, no one knows about the revolver, it cannot be distinguished solely by its appearance. And if Dolores gets killed, they'll put her back in her old place, as if that's the right thing to do.
The second episode ends with the phrase Maeve and I'm looking forward to seeing the sequel. Even though everything revolves around Arnold, his androids and their conversations, I think someone is just pretending to be Arnold and playing their game with the whole park. So the piano will be in the bushes.
And no one is discussing it in the comments..that we were told the story of the maze..that the PmF is looking for this multi-intelligent individual..who thought a little bit himself and created a quiet place for himself..and which one..Arnold's name, I think.
For the first time, I'm not thrilled with the series. The motivation of the characters who explain something to the robot and upgrade it is not very clear. It feels like they didn't have a story about Skynet in the world. =\
It's strange, everyone is talking about the stupidity of laboratory technicians, but it's also obvious that the Vietnamese just really want to play with robots. The second coward and some kind of idiot, yes) But the Asian guy does everything because he's torn apart by curiosity and he really wants to be a coder, control cool robots and all that. He would have upgraded it anyway, without this second one. Just because he wanted to
Imagine that you were abducted by aliens - and you woke up on an operating table inside a flying saucer, two unknown people were bending over you, and there were a lot of flashing buttons and levers around, it's not clear how they work. Do you have many chances to jump up and start threatening them, sort everything out and plant a plate on the lawn in front of the house? Or else, you died and ended up in the other world. See: here are souls in cauldrons, and here is purgatory, and here are bodies piled up and hosed down by people in suits, and here are new creatures of God being designed on the floor above. How will you behave here? I don't know.. But certainly not like Maeve. Starting with the fact that she had just painted an incomprehensible guest of her dreams and learned that for Indians it was like spirits between worlds, and now she sees these creatures in masks and instantly begins to run over and dictate terms to them...... just a facepalm The whole line with Maeve has failed. Is it necessary for the plot that the android outsmarts people, beat them and, truthfully or falsely, forced them to increase their performance? Yes!! That would be interesting. Was it beautifully implemented? No! It's mediocre. Very fast, in a hurry, and therefore crumpled. Here she sees in her dreams, here she walks around the floors, and here she grabs them by the balls and dictates her rules. Very unlikely. And it spoils the whole episode for me. Otherwise, everything is fine. Elsie's investigation is intriguing. Robert and his retro robots that hear voices and can lie also add interest to the piggy bank. And only Maeve, whom everyone here called the queen of the series, is this quiet horror that the scriptwriters wrote carelessly.
@JackChiminazzo: I partly agree with you, the intrigue could have been more complicated. In Maeve's defense, I would like to remind you that her central processor is more powerful than ours, and Felix, judging by her reservations, told her in detail how the park is organized and how androids are controlled, although this remained behind the scenes.
It's a huge rarity for me when I like every episode of the series. There are still a couple of episodes ahead, but I'm sure he will become a favorite! Such a confusing storyline, when nothing is clear and it becomes even more interesting, becomes the main advantage. I'm looking forward to the denouement and, of course, a hint for the next season.
After this episode, I finally got REALLY INTERESTED. The plot is already very unusual, the idea is just STUNNING, but I didn't get caught up in any way, but now, the movement in the series has begun, my brain has stopped boiling from what is happening and the stories of the characters, replays in the park. And this scene with Maeve, where she walks around in silence, is just unrealistically cool. Now I'm happy to continue watching the series. Thanks to the authors for the story!
Madam, what nonsense... - Change my indicators, I want to be so so so - But we don't... - As I say to my girls, ko ko ko - Well, sooooo......................
Are there really people here who don't notice the craziness of this situation?
She's blackmailing us, and we have a tool in our hands with which we can turn her almost into a vegetable, what should we do? Of course, fuck her even more!
Androids will never have consciousness. All their behavior can be explained by a glitch in the code and the introduction of new programs there. It makes sense that the older the car, the more often it will crash. The storylines intersect, the programs overlap and end up buggy. The people in the series who think that androids supposedly feel something or can think seem a little naive and a little too stupid to me.
We are not stupid, we are just kind and naive, we believe in a miracle) I feel very sorry for androids 😒 you shouldn't insult people because of their humanity)
The Maeve line is gaining momentum! It seems to me that Felix has a genuine interest in the "consciousness" of androids. If Sylvester was only thinking about himself and his safety when Maeve was blackmailing them, Felix really seemed to want to help her. It was unlikely that he would just give her a tour of the departments and tell her the whole truth about the structure of the game world. Another question is that this is very short-sighted and risky.
Ford has so many secrets, and Arnold's identity is still very mysterious. The family of old cars is very colorful. The boy always assumes that the person is lost. It's nice of him, but the situation with the dog is pretty creepy. They also learned to lie...
The boys are fucking with Maeve. She's an android, did the power-off button tell her to live a long time? Why are you playing to her tune? For her, the world won't be the same anymore, and with increased self-awareness. The whole series thought that Ford was pouring the data, like it might be necessary for the plot, but Teresa...does he want to squeeze out the park by wrapping up the chaos there? That bitch
instead of our hosts going insane, they are BEING USED for industrial espionage. instead of going insane - вместо "схождения" с ума - вместо того,чтобы сходить с ума they are BEING USED - (ing указывает на процесс прямо сейчас, be +ed -на пассив = пассив прямо сейчас. их прямо сейчас используют)
они не сходят с ума, их используют для промышленного шпионажа.
Does that make this a "glass-half-full" or "half-empty-type" situation? Это что, "стакан наполовину полон или пуст" ситуация ?
I don't really understand the motivation of these butcher dummies. 🤨 Why do they do everything this robot says? Why don't they just say she's crazy while she's in the park and can't threaten them??🙄
And it all started so well! They would have determined whether the "rise of the machines" was related to reprogrammed settings or the emergence of abstract thinking, otherwise androids, humans, labyrinths, and metaphysics would have mixed up...
A great episode and the idea of the TV series fire!!! but the question is, why didn't these two nerds knock Maeve out with one tap on their tablet, but waited for her to take them by the testicles?
Everyone here writes that the guy who fixes androids (herurg or whatever, I don't really remember the names yet) is stupid, that he helps Maeve and all that. I'll tell you what, this lady seems so human, I felt sorry for her too, and I probably would have helped her too) the guy was just very kind and touching, so I fell for it)
Maeve turns from a pretty dark-skinned girl to Maze. Which was also played by a black actress. True, Maze is still better, but the demons are unlikely to reach hd
Teresa, firstly, is quite a bitch, and secondly — in general and especially in profile - well, purely Meredith from this cyberpunk of yours (sic!)
Maeve increased her apperception. as far as I understood from the wiki, this is the perception of the environment. of the world. imho, Maeve seemed to have adopted MDT-48) yes, there was a Shooter (Yul Brynner) from the 1973 film on the lower level. k-ry himself is a reference to the hero Yul from the Magnificent Seven 1960. k-ry is a remake of the Seven Samurai 1954.)
Discussion: Season 1, Episode 6 Join the Discussion
201Well, Maeve is the undisputed queen of this series! Her line is probably the most interesting one right now!
Any whore in a brothel is more likeable because she wears fewer clothes :)
Maniacal living people don't even confuse each other with robots yet, but she has a bright distinguishing feature – a tablet. :-D
The theater is stupid, of course.
That is, someone made changes to some hosts, and now they can lie and do something wrong according to the script. Question: who. We will look further.
It's unclear: Teddy bextory was invented and introduced just the other day about Sculpting. The man in black has been coming here for years, playing games, exploring plots. Now he's trying to get to the bottom of the main game in his opinion. And now he needs a Sculpture. That is, either this game develops along the way and doesn't really have an end, or it's not a game, but just some kind of nonsense.
Maeve is a favorite character. It is unclear why she is capable of what she is capable of. After all, other androids don't experience anything like this. Even Dolores. She's got her own thing there, with voices and visions.
And as for walking through the floors and the fact that all her thoughts and dialogues are spelled out, it's just a tin can. Imagine what they're going to tell us now. It seems like we're choosing whether to get up or sit down, sleep or eat. To say this or that. But in fact, everything is according to the script. She was in shock, again in accordance with the prescribed emotions, I guess. Or did she start developing her own?
1. Sylvester makes a remark to Felix that Maeve is sitting in his dress. And then they kind of stripped her so as not to attract attention? And it's okay that she sits in the premises of butcher technicians, where she should generally be exclusively in a state of an insensitive carcass while they pick at her. So any outsider would be alarmed to see them talking to her, even in a dress, even naked. Not to mention the "safety" of Felix's previous walk with her on all floors.
2. How could techies interfere with Maeve's internal logic at all? Like, they have a stolen behavioral tablet. But such things must be logged in and logged in three times, otherwise they will soon have every cleaner there, pulling off what was lying badly, will begin to reprogram the hosts. It does not happen in a normally debugged IT system. Well, let's say they have a mess there.
3. Motivation of techies. Come on? Cho, the guys have never heard of blackmail and are not afraid of a machine uprising? And it seems reasonable to them to increase the intelligence of an android with incomprehensible motivations and aggressive behavior? If I were Sylvester, the first thing after Maeve removed the scalpel from my neck, I fucked her on the head with something heavy, then I trampled on the memory device (to close the issue with blackmail), and then I went to report to the security service to write about a spontaneously activated android capable of threatening a person with murder.
- The founders of the park were Robert (Hopkins) and Arnold. Arnold wanted to make robots more human, and probably ended up hating the park he created himself. The sign of the maze is in Arnold's notebook, which Hopkins took out in this series (there is also a portrait of Dolores).
- There are only 82 androids left, created during Arnold's time. 47, created by him personally (Dolores from this number)
- The old generation of androids is self-aware for some reason. Dolores began to recall the previous builds after the phrase "violent feelings have a violent ending," and she whispered this phrase to Maeve. But! Dolores hears Arnold's voice, Maeve doesn't. I don't know how significant this is: Dolores sees the church in her glitches - Hopkins moved the model of the church in this series (the church is the entrance to the maze, Hopkins breaks the park in search of the maze itself, really?..)).
- Someone rewrote the android code, androids can lie. Someone with a high enough access level changes their configuration and leaves no trace. Again, here we return to Dolores: she rewrites the code for herself and turns from a defenseless sheep into a shooter.
- Androids can change roles, but it is not reported how often. They are regularly repaired and put back into operation (this would explain the changes of Lawrence-El Lazo in the last episode.. And this is a minus to the timeline theory: about Maeve, "you've been a brothel owner for a year," and Dolores has been a farmer's daughter for 30 years, Riley?)
- There's too much intrigue in the park: espionage, the head of the control department is digging under Hopkins!
- The Man in Black once made a serious financial investment in the park and saved it from ruin, for which he received the status of a VIP client. He knows Arnold and Robert personally. Logan and William are guests of the park, but Logan talks about his family's connection to the park, and William is almost married to his sister.
And I probably forgot a lot more important things.
- Dolores began to recall the previous builds after the phrase "violent feelings have a violent end," and she whispered this phrase to Maeve. But! Dolores hears Arnold's voice, Maeve doesn't.
Maybe this phrase is a code phrase for the beginning of self-awareness, and it is written in the code of all androids (as a copied database from the codes of the original androids, which none of the later generation of programmers noticed), but in the androids of the first generation there is a timer created by Arnold, in the form of his voice in his head, appearing at a certain moment the moment; and androids of new generations can only be triggered by this phrase.
- There is too much intrigue in the park: espionage, the head of the control department is digging under Hopkins!
Since Teresa is collecting classified information about the park, she may be:
a) a hired Cossack from a rival company, and Ford is trying to oust him because the rival company got everything it wanted.
b) actually represents the board, and collects information on their behalf - I suspect that the board cannot get all the information from Ford, because he has the highest level of access to everything, and they want, naturally, to control the process. And now that Ford has new incomprehensible ideas, everyone is afraid that he has moved slightly and will bury his brainchild.
By the way, here's another thought - what if Logan is the son of a PMT? The propensity to violence is very similar. Although, of course, Logan is a little dumb compared to PMCs)))
What makes you think she rewrote the code for herself? Maybe someone in the main office did their best? Perhaps that person with a high level of access monitors his rebels, and corrects their program where necessary.
It all started with the fact that due to the new feature "Dreams", some androids have partial access to past logs and archives.
The first to "show themselves" were Dolores' father, who previously played the role of a "charismatic serial maniac who loved to quote Shakespeare" and the partner of the bandit who attacked the farm, who loved to drink milk and shot all his boss's enemies from previous scenarios in the tavern, "as if he harbored a grudge" (no one quoted Shakespeare to him).
They were written off and sent to the basement. Dolores said this phrase again because she remembers her previous "father", i.e. she also has this same access to past logs.
Maeve most likely became withdrawn not so much because of the quote itself, but because of Dolores' extremely atypical behavior, especially if her "paranoia/suspiciousness" scale was already high then.
(Perhaps because of this problem, the "Arnold's voice" with the instructions became louder as soon as the old archive recordings were activated along with the previous, previously forgotten logs).
I think there are several people/robots with their own goals. Ford wants one, PMF wants the second, Bernard wants the third, and I don't rule out that there is someone else.. plus the robots themselves
What great music while they were walking around the office with an employee!
With each episode there are more and more puzzles, it's unbearable to wait for new episodes!
Maeve is a beauty, Teddy constantly surprises with his changes, a very interesting line with Ford's "personal" androids (especially the boy Robert, he has some kind of special role in all this), Dolores and Logan and William were missing, but judging by the promo for the next series, they will catch up, and these detective intrigues of Elsie! Now I have to wait a week and hope that everything is all right with her.
In general, it's getting more and more interesting)
@Terverus: Well, the band is really great. (Oh, you're a troll)
The first is played on the piano at the very beginning of the series, the second is played during Maeve's tour of the upper floors.
Episode - fire! Maeve is so smart, and she's lucky to have these moron lab assistants)) I hope she leads the rebellion))
Well, before Elsie's discovery, it was a little disappointing (((I was hoping that androids would evolve and realize what was happening on their own...but it turned out that they were all programmed during the course of the series...
The theater where Elsie went is eerily simple...It was just asking for something bad. And Elsie is so fearless, it turns out..
And Arnold's voice is heard only by old robots, as far as I understand.
In short, with the motivation of dudes, it is logical. With T.Z there is no common sense))
But at least there's a chance to do what Maeve says, and maybe she'll leave them alone.
if there is a probabilistic value, then it is not a fact that there will be a correct and necessary result. robo-mentoring from a creature that can be disabled for one or two by changing the settings does not look very convincing:(
They don't have the authority to write someone off. They are ordinary technicians, and their only task is to patch up corpses. Any hint that they weren't doing their own thing is the end of them) so they're afraid.
It brings me even more emotional delight than the already legendary opening of Game of Thrones. Goosebumps run down my spine every time I play the last chords. It beautiful
I think that the most difficult work of the composers lies precisely in writing the title theme of the film and the series. Javadi is just unrealistically successful at this.
That in all six episodes, the real world was never shown, outside of the entire park and the lower floors. Even the screenwriter was relaxing within the park. It seems very strange to me.
And how did Ford suddenly show up at his family's house? A secret passage?
There was a particularly creepy moment when he was talking to little Robert, who had killed the dog. Ford himself began to realize that something was amiss.
"Guys, it's going to be fun now." Oh yeah, it's really fun. You can't watch such epic ongoings, the waiting just kills.
I really like that they show different characters, rather than focusing on the most important ones. It's a great episode.
Or, alternatively, all the robots except for one single character, which of course you wouldn't think of, the gray and inconspicuous third from the left in the fifth row.
https://youtu.be/XFTcA4QLHw0
Something happened to Elsie in the classics. Indeed, going to such a place alone is somewhat reckless. Although I hoped that androids began to realize themselves on their own, but alas.
It seems that Arnold made a clone of himself and he began to run amok. However, it is unclear why right now or something activated it. Maybe it was just some kind of trigger.
Dolores' father found a photo of the real world, maybe it just became an activation. It all started with him.
I wonder if Maeve is also from the first generation or not. Although, of course, she has moved far away from Dolores in the process of understanding.
Sometimes smart thoughts come too late)) And if a person is not sure of himself in principle, and even blinded by ambitions, like this Chukchi boy (I want to be a programmer! and all that), it's even easier to get him hooked.
That's the bare minimum of what went through those goofs' heads.
I've seen so many times in practice how people who are well aware that their corporate mail is saved and viewed would still confuse it with their personal mail and then be very surprised and offended when their correspondence suddenly surfaced. And someone was lucky. And some people just didn't pay attention. Sometimes, for the time being.
I can't help but mention the simply divine music when an employee showed her the "inner kitchen" of the park! We'll need to look for this music.
http://andeadd.livejournal.com/1355007.html
I wonder what an increased level of self-awareness can give? It seemed to me that it either exists or it doesn't exist. And then she just got high. Or is half of self-awareness like that of a dog, which is aware of itself, but is not able to realize the world around it and himself in it? So it's like a breadth of consciousness? Then this is probably the most important parameter, which, along with intelligence, made a human out of a monkey!
Maeve evolves rapidly and will be the messiah of androids, and then of all mankind) You give all the parameters at 100! :)
Максимум - 20
http://i.imgur.com/iat4uBu.jpg
I see an undeniable advantage for myself that the series did not slip into "mysticism", "self-evolution" and other self-awareness due to a happy accident, bug, etc. Even at the very beginning, as I learned about this series, I thought maybe this time they would get rid of this outdated idea and do something more adult and intellectual. It was high time to make sure that machines are machines, which, by the way, is a more difficult scenario task than allowing such banal entropy as "they thought of it themselves", which can essentially be attributed to everything. I'm glad that it almost turned out that way, well.. almost))
In theory, of course, but in practice there are enough examples when the problem is diligently swept under the rug, so as not to go "where it needs to go", because "from where it needs to come" will fly to everyone and in full.
They tried to grab her at one point, but decided not to interfere with the pleasure of the guest, William to be more precise.
Even though everything revolves around Arnold, his androids and their conversations, I think someone is just pretending to be Arnold and playing their game with the whole park. So the piano will be in the bushes.
It feels like they didn't have a story about Skynet in the world. =\
The second coward and some kind of idiot, yes)
But the Asian guy does everything because he's torn apart by curiosity and he really wants to be a coder, control cool robots and all that. He would have upgraded it anyway, without this second one. Just because he wanted to
Starting with the fact that she had just painted an incomprehensible guest of her dreams and learned that for Indians it was like spirits between worlds, and now she sees these creatures in masks and instantly begins to run over and dictate terms to them...... just a facepalm
The whole line with Maeve has failed. Is it necessary for the plot that the android outsmarts people, beat them and, truthfully or falsely, forced them to increase their performance? Yes!! That would be interesting. Was it beautifully implemented? No! It's mediocre. Very fast, in a hurry, and therefore crumpled. Here she sees in her dreams, here she walks around the floors, and here she grabs them by the balls and dictates her rules. Very unlikely. And it spoils the whole episode for me. Otherwise, everything is fine. Elsie's investigation is intriguing. Robert and his retro robots that hear voices and can lie also add interest to the piggy bank. And only Maeve, whom everyone here called the queen of the series, is this quiet horror that the scriptwriters wrote carelessly.
The plot is already very unusual, the idea is just STUNNING, but I didn't get caught up in any way, but now, the movement in the series has begun, my brain has stopped boiling from what is happening and the stories of the characters, replays in the park.
And this scene with Maeve, where she walks around in silence, is just unrealistically cool.
Now I'm happy to continue watching the series.
Thanks to the authors for the story!
- Change my indicators, I want to be so so so
- But we don't...
- As I say to my girls, ko ko ko
- Well, sooooo......................
Are there really people here who don't notice the craziness of this situation?
Ford has so many secrets, and Arnold's identity is still very mysterious. The family of old cars is very colorful. The boy always assumes that the person is lost. It's nice of him, but the situation with the dog is pretty creepy. They also learned to lie...
The whole series thought that Ford was pouring the data, like it might be necessary for the plot, but Teresa...does he want to squeeze out the park by wrapping up the chaos there? That bitch
instead of going insane - вместо "схождения" с ума - вместо того,чтобы сходить с ума
they are BEING USED - (ing указывает на процесс прямо сейчас, be +ed -на пассив = пассив прямо сейчас. их прямо сейчас используют)
они не сходят с ума, их используют для промышленного шпионажа.
Does that make this a "glass-half-full" or "half-empty-type" situation?
Это что, "стакан наполовину полон или пуст" ситуация ?
Why do they do everything this robot says? Why don't they just say she's crazy while she's in the park and can't threaten them??🙄
but the question is, why didn't these two nerds knock Maeve out with one tap on their tablet, but waited for her to take them by the testicles?
True, Maze is still better, but the demons are unlikely to reach hd
Teresa, firstly, is quite a bitch, and secondly — in general and especially in profile - well, purely Meredith from this cyberpunk of yours (sic!)
yes, there was a Shooter (Yul Brynner) from the 1973 film on the lower level. k-ry himself is a reference to the hero Yul from the Magnificent Seven 1960. k-ry is a remake of the Seven Samurai 1954.)