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Duration: 43 min.
Released: 16.11.201717.11.2017 02:00
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1 season
s01e10
s01e06 - Krill
s01e07 - Majority Rule
s01e08 - Into the Fold
s01e09 - Cupid's Dagger
s01e10 - Firestorm
s01e11 - New Dimensions
s01e12 - Mad Idolatry
s02e01 - Ja'loja
s02e02 - Primal Urges

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Nikquest
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17 Nov 2017, 17:25 #
What a lovely pauchidze! Chav-chav - and there are no people.
And the series is cool, you're waiting for a trick every minute. From the very beginning, I like Alara the most of all the characters, and the series, devoted to her psychotrauma and fears (alien, but nevertheless), did not disappoint. And the solution is good, something reminded me of the move from the "Black Mirror".
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alx
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20 Nov 2017, 22:45 #
@Nikquest: you are so waiting for a trick that even in the last scene with Alara falling asleep you try to find a hidden meaning. What's wrong there? Why was it shown at all?
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MrSnippy
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28 Dec 2017, 07:04 #
@alx: I expected to see a clown in the background, that would be really creepy. :D
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MrSnippy
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28 Dec 2017, 07:08 #
@Nikquest: I support you, I like Alara the most, she's so cute. :3

BTV, when I saw the clown (and when he disappeared), for some reason I thought about mimics (as in Prey).
In the battle with the clown, when he constantly disappeared among the boxes, this idea only strengthened.

Oh, it's a pity that it's not about mimics after all, I want a movie based on the Script. :D
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alavitka
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17 Nov 2017, 17:43 #
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Scheusalwirt
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17 Nov 2017, 19:17 #
@alavitka: There is a great article on the World of Fiction about why they are afraid of clowns - https://www.mirf.ru/worlds/pochemu-klouny-strashnye
and in short, about the USA, partly because of the circus of freaks, which has always had clowns too (I think if you see a clown next to some armless and legless person, it is unlikely that he is only it causes positive emotions), and partly because of John Gacy, a serial killer who worked as a clown and killed teenagers. Well, then Stephen King wrote "It" - and the image was finally fixed.
In Russia, of course, many have read King and watched the film, but a) we did not have Gacy, b) we actually see clowns only in the circus, where we go quite rarely, and there is usually a positive atmosphere - so there is no direct connection between clown and horror, they exist as if in parallel universes. And in the States, it is customary to arrange regular fairs in every small town, where clowns come, including, and there are many of them in amusement parks. I.e., after reading King and about Gacy (who has already become part of the well-known modern folklore about serial killers for Americans), you also watch clowns on any holiday, and not not only as part of the entertainment, but also "behind the scenes" - some drunk clown behaving inappropriately, tired, annoyed clown, etc. The connection of the clown's image with fear is being consolidated...
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alavitka
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18 Nov 2017, 05:02 #
@Scheusalwirt: Thanks for the clarification.
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Gourry_aka_pm
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22 Nov 2017, 20:55 #
@Scheusalwirt: Well, in addition, I suspect that they like to be invited as animators in the States. Because a painted uncle climbing into the comfort zone can cause quite strong emotions in many children.
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vauxhall_cross
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25 Nov 2017, 00:51 #
@Scheusalwirt: Isn't the whole point that clowns are just really creepy? Before I knew about Gacy or King, I thought clowns were creepy. Painted hellish creatures, with a terrible laugh.
Yes, going to the circus breaks the psyche of many children once and for all. :D
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Scheusalwirt
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25 Nov 2017, 05:50 #
@vauxhall_cross: It seems to me that this is an individual perception related to personal experience and preferences. For example, when I was a child, even before I saw clowns from horror films, I thought that they were not funny, but some kind of boring and stupid - because at the first performance in the circus, where I saw them, they were exactly like that.
And some children do not like combinations of contrasting colors, or they do not like masks that distort faces, or constant abnormal behavior (for example, at home all relatives are calm people with quiet voices, and here some crazy man is making faces and laughing and pestering the child with stupid tricks) - therefore clowns may begin to cause dislike or fear. I think this is a normal reaction, and in general, the very essence of a clown is to evoke strong emotions (even if not always positive), which circus performers, maniacs and especially Stephen King are happy to use))
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ramzy
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25 Nov 2017, 18:29 #
@vauxhall_cross: I like our clowns, they have funny makeup, but when I first saw an American one, it was really creepy. Although, in a sense, this is a cliche, too often they have such a phobia in their films
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vauxhall_cross
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25 Nov 2017, 19:14 #
@ramzy: This is everyone's personal perception, but "our" clowns are also creepy. Even worse than the American ones, as for me.
actually, all clones are like that.
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uorgew
uorgew
18 Nov 2017, 06:29 #
@alavitka: in general, I agree, the series is in the style of "we've seen it many times already." It is especially noticeable against the background of the general gloss.
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teemk
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19 Nov 2017, 05:44 #
@alavitka: I absolutely agree with you
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MarilynColt
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21 Nov 2017, 22:21 #
@alavitka: Well, in the USA and some other countries last year, clowns of a not very friendly kind walked around, let's say, who threatened people or even killed them. Here everything is described in detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_clown_sightings
So this fear is quite a place to be.
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alavitka
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26 Nov 2017, 07:44 #
@MarilynColt: Damn, they would have been banned at all then, quite in their spirit, since many are so afraid.
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PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
28 Jan 2018, 10:58 #
@alavitka: 1. many are afraid, but many are not; 2. depriving thousands of people of work is somehow not so good; 3. in my opinion, you confuse "them" with our state Duma)))
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alavitka
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11 Feb 2018, 08:04 #
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PlanePassenger
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11 Feb 2018, 09:22 #
@alavitka: "taking care of feelings" is still our state Duma, they still have more reasonable laws. Let's give an example, what kind of stupid thing did they forbid?
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alavitka
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11 Feb 2018, 19:51 #
@PlanePassenger: As you know, in the USA, case law, which leads to the formation of sometimes rather idiotic laws at the state level, many of them were based precisely on the fact that someone felt insulted and won the court, the results are easy to find online, at least here http://englex.ru/funny-laws-of-the-usa / and if you don't trust our sources they have their own website where you can find the same laws, only some of them are urban and not statewide, and yet http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/new-jersey
I think you can guess for yourself which of them are based on lawsuits for benefits, and which are based on insults to feelings or other type of damage (death of pets, etc.).
It is forbidden to carry a dog in an elevator in California, why do you think?
That's generally about the living in California http://www.wellmindedpets.com/blog/2013/10/26/silly-state-law-saturday-california
It does not apply much to our case, but a ban on breeding roosters due to disturbance of rest, you must agree, is hardly possible in any village in Russia =))
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PlanePassenger
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11 Feb 2018, 20:08 #
@alavitka: that's why they are funny plus parochial, which reduces their execution to a minimum, besides, the same right makes it as easy to revise and repeal these same laws as to adopt them. In Russia, they are already being jailed in droves for some kind of far-fetched extremism, reposts and insulting the feelings of believers. That's not funny.
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alavitka
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11 Feb 2018, 20:18 #
@PlanePassenger: I subscribed to the list of extremist materials, they are really extremist, judging by the names (they are being withdrawn from circulation) and mainly relate to Islam. Insulting the feelings of believers has a certain wording - it is necessary to offend them (agree, pissing on the altar naked, as Pussy Riot did, is at least hooliganism). About jail for reposts (not extremist materials???) I hear it all the time, but so far it sounds like fifth column propaganda (the methods are still the same - to intimidate people), no one gives the facts. Can you provide proof? Specific processes are "in batches" or "en masse" as you put it. I am sure that some of these cases are far-fetched (or this law is just an excuse when it is impossible to prove, for example, extremist activity itself). By the way, there is still no law against insulting the feelings of believers in the United States, because they still decided that it contradicts the constitution in terms of "freedom of speech", but the problem is that real extremists can also use it. But they still have their own law "against terrorism", which allows them not to respect the usual rights of a terrorist suspect. And it is still unknown what kind of surveillance is being conducted on the population contrary to the same laws on private life (in the name of the same fight against terrorism). So everyone has a snout in the gun. There are no right countries in this world, by definition. They also have a slightly different internal political situation, by the way, because the country is an emigrant, and we have native Islamic communities right next to us. Not to mention the fact that I personally faced incitement of hatred against myself on a national basis (successful!) and therefore I have nothing against such laws, if they are applied wisely, which of course depends on the people on the ground (if someone does not start using them as personal revenge, but there will not be these, others will find them).
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PlanePassenger
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11 Feb 2018, 20:27 #
@alavitka: "fifth column" thanks for the conversation, goodbye)))
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alavitka
alavitka
11 Feb 2018, 20:34 #
@PlanePassenger: For one convenient term, 90% corresponding to who I wanted to designate, instead of long explanations about those who are looking for evidence that they live in the worst country in the world, which is also by definition biased, instead of figuring out what has been done and why and comparing with what how and why do others (those who usually praise themselves, but scold us, which is still a suspicious coincidence), immediately crossed out from those with whom it makes sense to talk? It looks like I ran into a question of faith. Well, then it really doesn't make sense to continue. :(
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Scheusalwirt
Scheusalwirt
17 Nov 2017, 18:56 #
Such a lamp Halloween series))) (2.5 weeks late)
Although the idea of throwing the fears of all team members into the simulation is not bad, it was still worth making a simulation that would pull out the fears of Alara. besides the fire. The fact that she has passed all the tests can only say that these situations do not scare her.
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AVATARA1
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18 Nov 2017, 07:59 #
So she has no other fears.
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Scheusalwirt
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18 Nov 2017, 18:57 #
@AVATARA1: she explains at the end that she started the simulation after talking to her parents, when they told about the fire, because she was worried that she still had some hidden fears that could interfere with her work.
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DevilArsa
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18 Nov 2017, 14:26 #
I hope today I will dream of a well-fixed Alara :3
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MrSnippy
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28 Dec 2017, 07:05 #
@DevilArsa: Just remember that in the end she did break out. :D
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PlanePassenger
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11 Feb 2018, 20:08 #
@DevilArsa: Did you have a dream, no?
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PanPanich
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19 Nov 2017, 00:58 #
Orville is cool. The series pleases with a bunch of omages for classic movies, music, everything is gorgeous and Amara, including
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Shadowrun
Shadowrun
19 Nov 2017, 07:48 #
@PanPanich: Alara
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Low
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19 Nov 2017, 03:54 #
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ramzy
ramzy
19 Nov 2017, 04:02 #
clowns in the States have terrible makeup, and it's true only to scare children. Our darlings. A funny series, the maniac from the doctor is especially successful
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DevilArsa
DevilArsa
19 Nov 2017, 13:39 #
It's funny, by the way, how much Alara has changed since the first episodes.
They stopped making her a big forehead, left her eyebrows and she immediately became much nicer :3
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berting
berting
19 Nov 2017, 19:17 #
@DevilArsa: It feels like there's an alarm on the left on minimals :)
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MidnightRider
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10 May 2018, 18:46 #
@berting: left the eyebrows, made up the eyes, made less prominent stripes on the forehead and nose. She looks really much better now.
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Gordey
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19 Nov 2017, 15:01 #
And whose fear was the crocodile that Bortus nailed with a chair?!
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alavitka
alavitka
19 Nov 2017, 21:59 #
@Gordey: So Bortus wasn't there. Maybe a crocodile too. It's just an element of the program's plot. Alara had not encountered him, which meant there was nothing to be afraid of.
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Twelman
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19 Nov 2017, 19:12 #
A wonderful series, it was interesting to watch what was happening.
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rapinyo
rapinyo
20 Nov 2017, 01:00 #
Alara milakha :3
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ddd79
ddd79
20 Nov 2017, 06:29 #
Was I the only one who remembered the scene from Outsiders, when Helen Ripley armed herself in a T-shirt and ran away under a reverse destruction report?
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Namiro
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23 May 2018, 00:50 #
@ddd79: Oh, no. I was only thinking about Ripley on this stage))
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Megalxdxn
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20 Nov 2017, 22:33 #
I like Adara as a character, but if you take the plot, then this is still the weakest episode of the season. It turned out to be a very far-fetched tie)
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Megalxdxn
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20 Nov 2017, 22:34 #
Алара
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nonaems
nonaems
11 Jul 2018, 05:03 #
@Uncannyplaya: "Л" и "Д" находятся на клавиатуре рядом, так что это можно считать опечаткой.
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dimasil
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05 Dec 2017, 02:11 #
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bbgon
bbgon
22 Nov 2017, 22:59 #
Получилась по-настоящему жуткая серия, оторваться не могла.
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erlenwein-fm
erlenwein-fm
23 Nov 2017, 22:40 #
шикарная серия. Алара просто прелесть.
айзек злой гений, мвахаха!
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Dvoreckii
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25 Nov 2017, 03:43 #
Интересно выстрелит ли в последующих сериях директива 38? И почему вообще возникла отдельная директива, запрещающая ходить босиком по инженерному отсеку? И главное, почему только по инженерному?
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Renfree
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26 Nov 2017, 02:58 #
инженерный отсек - мелкие детали, разобранные механизмы, ещё какая-нибудь жидкая плазма откуда-нибудь польётся - и все, нет ноги.
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Dvoreckii
Dvoreckii
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26 Nov 2017, 15:42 #
@Renfree: Проблема что-ли, на Орвилле всегда найдется лишняя)
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Renfree
Renfree
26 Nov 2017, 03:00 #
А мне понравилось. Ещё лучше было бы, если то, что это симуляция, показали бы только после её окончания. Из Клэр и Айзека вышли отличные злодеи)
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svetikpetko
svetikpetko
05 Apr 2022, 23:22 #
@Renfree: ой, да ладно, я уверилась, что это симуляция на моменте с врачом
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ArthurAkberdin
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03 Dec 2017, 07:25 #
Думаю, Бортус боится конкретно Айзека
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alavitka
alavitka
04 Dec 2017, 00:40 #
@ArthurAkberdin: "Зловещую долину" в робототехнике никто не отменял вообще-то.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Зловещая_долина
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ion-lane
ion-lane
14 Dec 2017, 22:48 #
Криповенько) Мне понравилось, хоть и идея не нова.
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VIRUS
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19 Dec 2017, 09:03 #
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Stasika
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23 Dec 2017, 13:58 #
Бедный Гордон, именно с фобией на неудачные операции попал под шутку с ампутацией ноги =) Или с этого у него фобия и началась?
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Hannah_Abbot
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28 Dec 2017, 03:13 #
Посмотри комедию от МакФарлейна, говорили они. Будет весело, говорили они.
А в результате сидишь с выключенным звуком.
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marine_hurts
marine_hurts
04 Jan 2018, 18:16 #
Итак, 25 век, люди путешествуют в космосе, посещают новые планеты и встречают новые расы, синтезируют пишу, медицина на высочайшем уровне. Однако, люди по прежнему боятся клоунов)
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Nikopol
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30 Oct 2018, 05:55 #
@marine_hurts: И пауков. Giant alien spiders are no joke.
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olddkpt
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11 Jan 2018, 18:04 #
Примерно до середины была интрига,потом сразу стало ясно в чем дело. Но от этого серия не менее интересна
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Дозорница
Дозорница
08 Nov 2018, 01:08 #
@olddkpt: Я на моменте съеденного Гордона уже окончательно утвердилась, что это не реальность) Думала, правда, что сон. Оказалось - симуляция)
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darksidius
darksidius
18 Jan 2018, 21:18 #
Меня бы после этого до конца жизни мучила паранойя "а вышел ли я из симуляции или все еще в ней?"
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_LA_
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13 Feb 2018, 16:55 #
@darksidius: думаю, у японцев есть название для этой фобии
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alx
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13 Feb 2018, 17:07 #
@_LA_: у китайцев — Бабочка Чжуанцзы
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porco
porco
16 Feb 2018, 00:10 #
LOL, я EMH по голосу узнал сначала, не поверил - проверил - таки да, он. :)
Прекрасный голограм вышел в отставку, переехал на Зилаю, занялся наконец спокойно наукой и завёл семью с дочкой :)
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damned-selena
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29 Jul 2019, 21:32 #
Я пришла в комменты под серию за Доктором и нашла его в самом последнем )))
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Tummanharmaa
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02 Mar 2021, 03:51 #
Я до последнего ждала, что сейчас появится Кью. Весьма в его духе.
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berion87
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08 Oct 2023, 10:33 #
Да доктор с вояджера)
походу раса Алары кселайцы типа вулканцев. блещут интеллектом и силой)
кстати голос компьютера это Рэйчел МакФарлейн - сестра Сета. это похоже как в стар треке. где голосом компьютера на всех энтерпрайзах была жена Джина Родденберри Меджел Барретт. и еще играла второстепенные роли. может быть и сестра Сета появится в живую.
Рэйчел: «Когда я впервые вышла на съемочную площадку, я так растерялась. Я видела, что это было все, чем он всегда хотел заниматься. Это шоу — воплощение детской мечты Сета. В детстве он никогда не был так счастлив, как когда смотрел эпизоды «Звездного пути», поэтому Орвилл — это то, ради чего он приехал в Голливуд».
Макнил (Том Пэрис с вояджера): «Сестра Сета рассказала мне, что [Сет] купил коробки... алюминиевой фольги, покрыл всю свою спальню — каждый квадратный дюйм — алюминиевой фольгой, чтобы он мог снимать фанатский фильм «Звездный путь», когда ему было 12 или 13 лет. что он написал, срежиссировал и построил декорации... И, она буквально сказала:
«Было удивительно видеть, что он снимает фанатский фильм стоимостью 100 миллионов долларов».
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