s02e02 — Unwomen

27 Aug 2021, 21:10 #

@Jutys: I thought about it at first, but then I saw armed guards on horseback, so everything is under supervision there

KrotTavi

10 Aug 2023, 00:59 #

There are practically no healthy and strong people able to fight there anymore. This is the last step to nowhere. Before entering the colonies, these women went through the circles of Gilead hell. And the overseers are healthy, in gas masks, apparently they also change with some frequency

naynay

26 Apr 2018, 20:06 #

So we found out what kind of mysterious colonies they were (for some reason it seemed earlier that this was something tropical, as in the days of the British Empire). What are they mining there? Coal?
But in this Gulag, strangely enough, women have a little more freedom. It will be interesting to see the interaction between Emily and Janine.
The editorial office is creepy. I hope June won't have to sit there for long.

Renero

27 Apr 2018, 02:38 #

@naynay: for some reason, it seems to me that they are not mining anything, but simply raking polluted soil. the only question is why this is done by such brute force, and not using machines, they don't even spare horses. well, yes, I'm silent about biotechnology, where did IVF go at all (it's a stretch to say that this is not according to the religious canon, but in the situation that they have, they could have forgotten about the canon)

id24463355

27 Apr 2018, 13:38 #

@Renero: either in the book or in the TV series, there was a scene in flashbacks, the essence of which was that IVF does not work

Renero

27 Apr 2018, 14:40 #

@id24463355: so, in the book) I've been reading it for a long time, but somehow I don't remember it in the series.

Renero

27 Apr 2018, 14:43 #

@id24463355: and yes, you can turn a blind eye to IVF - this is an assumption, implied almost by itself, so that the dystopia works. In this series, more questions are raised by the lack of digging equipment in the colonies and the use of horses and at least not so "guilty" women to supervise non-women

ta_petite_amie

29 Apr 2018, 00:07 #

@Renero: yes, even according to the series - in the first season, when June gives birth, the problem is not only that it is difficult to get pregnant, but also a bunch of miscarriages + are born with a mutation. That is, the main difficulty there was not only in conception. And for that matter, religious fanatics don't really care about conception - because no matter how much Fred tried, and it didn't come out - and the servant dude tried it once and that's it. The series explicitly says that men are not tested for the ability to have children, because all the troubles are from women.
Then I will be able to confuse, I have read the book for a long time, but for example in the book Gianni gave birth to an unhealthy child, although "technically" she was ideally suited for the role of a mother. And the eco religious sect considered as one of the causes of mutations, they say such children will not be 100% evil

yoggik

09 May 2018, 18:50 #

@Renero: and there seemed to be a version that a child born with IVF does not have a soul. That supposedly God did not create this soul.

tvoya_gannusya

31 Aug 2022, 23:41 #

@naynay: Yes, there is more freedom. But what's the point of her in this place? They are sent to the colony to certain death. Women work on highly toxic lands, inhale their fumes. As a result of which - open wounds, ulcers, hair loss, nails, teeth. And what's going on inside the body. Well, such a "freedom", you know.

JardimFramboesa

26 Apr 2018, 20:21 #

A difficult series ((( the series was very affected, I can't hold back my tears even

sickspiny

26 Apr 2018, 20:49 #

I can't figure out where the colonies are. Do such mines really exist in the United States? And how far are they from Gilead (Massachusetts)?

It will be strange if the series turns to the line of flashbacks and Emily's current life. Are we really going to see the fall of the Gilead regime and the release of convicts from the colonies in the series?

daysgonebye

26 Apr 2018, 23:27 #

@sickspiny: I'm not sure about the mines, but there are places where natural stone is mined, which is used for sharpening surgical instruments, for example. And what they mine resembles limestone, it seems to me

29 Apr 2018, 15:39 #

@daysgonebye: These are not mines, they are just removing contaminated soil. therefore, bags with the biohazard sign are shown.

sickspiny

01 May 2018, 01:14 #

@delete-delete: and why is the soil infected? Is there any explanation for this?

Sharlottta

01 May 2018, 19:02 #

@sickspiny: in my opinion, in the first season something was said that there was a war, possibly including the use of some chemical. or nuclear weapons, or just because of the war, some nuclear power plant was bombed

Сплюшка

30 Mar 2021, 05:09 #

There, at the very beginning, slides were shown and auntie broadcast: god gave us clean land, and we fucked it up, built factories, came up with all sorts of pesticides and gmos. And like God got angry and punished everyone with infertility. Now they are cleansing the earth so that God will forgive and have mercy on them. So it's not mining, it's cleaning up nuclear waste.

Frank_Iero

30 Jan 01:31 #

It's very creepy to read your comment in 2024…

ViktoryMartini

26 Apr 2018, 23:18 #

I cried in the last scene. After all, how deeply this series was filmed is very realistic, you get into this whole atmosphere of hopelessness to the depths of your soul

хаддистка

27 Apr 2018, 02:13 #

Very strongly. I cried for 2 episodes. It's so creepy, it chills to the bone

RetroGirl

27 Apr 2018, 09:12 #

An amazing series. How people survived, I remembered the concentration camps and the Gulag... About mines, IVF and the fact that fertile women are forced to work like this, is there probably in the book? It's a mystery to me why everyone is turned on children, even strangers, why there are no strict boarding schools where ready-made Gilead fanatics would be raised.

krokodilova

27 Apr 2018, 19:38 #

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06 May 2018, 01:19 #

@RetroGirl: and there are boarding schools, probably, GG's daughter, Hannah, is being held somewhere.

dmitrievnanastya

13 Jun 2018, 15:37 #

She lives with a foster family.
All the children were given to foster families, those who could not give birth themselves.

shiroisasori

27 Apr 2018, 21:10 #

Cruelly. Surely not every wife had a maid? Some were supposed to be fertile in theory?

ta_petite_amie

29 Apr 2018, 00:09 #

@shiroisasori: the system is built that everyone has, there is a queue for them

06 May 2018, 01:10 #

@shiroisasori: well, they hint to us that it's not about wives, that husbands are infertile (June didn't get pregnant from Fred, but from the kid - nate).

dmitrievnanastya

13 Jun 2018, 15:39 #

Not all of them, there were Eco-couples who lived an ordinary life, gave birth and raised children.
Maids were "provided" only to those who occupy a high position in society. Under the government in short)

shiroisasori

27 Apr 2018, 21:14 #

A double.

JaneLain

27 Apr 2018, 21:48 #

Wives also have no choice, they cannot forbid the rape of maids, they are the same victims of the regime. Disappointed with Emily's act, men should be poisoned, not each other.

29 Apr 2018, 15:41 #

@JaneLain: Whoa, whoa. even in a book that is considered a hymn to feminism, there were no such one-sided stuffing. maybe then Luke needs to be killed, otherwise he escaped, abandoned his wife and daughter. and Sylvia, Emily's wife, so be it, let's leave her alive, she's not a man.

Juli18

30 Apr 2018, 03:38 #

@JaneLain: firstly, this particular woman is a fanatic, which is noticeable from her words.
Secondly, if these women had not supported the regime, but had sided with the maids, it could have been overthrown.

02 May 2018, 23:02 #

@Juli18: not a fact. They would have been sent to the same mines in bulk. Or they arranged a demonstrative punishment of 1-2 .
As with the maids, they take everyone out in formation and imitate the execution so that everyone feels the difference between life (any) and its complete absence. Then the instigator and the first who followed her example are tortured, mutilated, and can give birth and serve as an illustration of the consequences of dissent. We have been shown enough examples when maids are disabled or even crazy on a chain but pregnant. So the wives had a lot to think about.
That's how the modes work. 2000 years of patriarchy and all the power of the state machine against a bunch of women who could theoretically do something there. As it happened in Iran, Iraq - as soon as the fundamentalists came to power, the wives put on the burqa, those who did not put on those can no longer be remembered and found. Those who were able to escape, those who did not have time to resign themselves.

06 May 2018, 01:11 #

@JaneLain: Fred's wife (I don't remember his name) was very supportive of him in flashbacks! She literally helped set this regime herself.

Сплюшка

30 Mar 2021, 05:14 #

Yasnorada

ksenia2020

06 Mar 2023, 01:35 #

Serena

tweedlecat

28 Apr 2018, 00:09 #

Yes, show me the Gilead map already.

30 Apr 2018, 17:56 #

@cat_pavel: So these are the States. or specifically the borders and what is where you are interested in?

sickspiny

01 May 2018, 01:22 #

@cat_pavel: Washington DC, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine. In other states (except Alaska and Hawaii) There is a civil war going on in the universe of the novel/series.

tweedlecat

02 May 2018, 21:14 #

@sickspiny: thank you! So it turns out that the rest of the states are in chaos, or do they represent the United States?

eugvishnevskaya

15 Jul 2018, 05:20 #

@cat_pavel: In the first episode of season 1, June said that there were 2 stars left on the US flag

Нинья

28 Apr 2018, 01:02 #

What I like is that they don't make saints out of June and the other protagonists.
That June is sometimes openly hysterical, often breaks down and very clearly manipulates Nick. (I'm not sure there's any special point in rooting for peirings in this series, because anyway they'll just put glasses in our mouths and make us chew, but I almost feel sorry for Nick at some moments, because as soon as June gets to freedom, she'll stop needing him, and he's unlikely to need her Lee)
and Emily's act, and the attitude towards the Wife of all the other convicts (I'm sure no Wife lasted even a couple of days) is a very vivid illustration of how to pit two groups of people, one disenfranchised, the other with a couple of imaginary privileges.
Although Emily, it seems to me, finally made up her mind at the moment when her Wife began to make speeches about her miserable love. Well, this is religious fanaticism...

080585

04 May 2018, 03:56 #

@Ninya: It is unclear why wives should not be changed before entering the camp. It's clear that they won't survive a week in their green coats, but that would be a chance. Even just labor should be appreciated, but otherwise they are stupidly given to waste so that hard workers can blow off steam.

04 May 2018, 09:15 #

@080585: You can't change your mind and your tongue.
"embed" is not the right word. what difference does it make in which robe and how long will the free manpower die?

Нинья

04 May 2018, 15:41 #

@080585: and why are they needed?
Judging by the sores, the women there survive from a couple of weeks to a month anyway. The Wife who got there is obviously scrapped, no one needs it, and it generally looks more like a substitute for the death penalty for wives, to be honest, than an attempt to cash in on free labor. If it were otherwise, the overseer there would not have screamed that everyone would be punished, but punished. "If you go to hard labor, certain death" should sound even scarier for wives, because they have more privileges, as well as opportunities to harm.
How much will a sick, tired, demotivated woman who came to die anyway dig up in a month? Clearly not enough to hold on to.
But a Wife torn apart by convicts is a good help in ensuring that the women in red and the women in green do not accidentally unite.

05 May 2018, 02:52 #

@Ninya: and what's the point of uniting the dying? Will they vomit blood on tasers like Sailors?
The undeniable fact is that this is a one-way link. Therefore, there is no point in changing clothes or introducing them either. Unless there's a Dr. Mengele studying crowd psychology. There are studies that the Gulag was also unprofitable and did not bring a tangible contribution to industrialization. That is, you are absolutely right about everything.
/ the wife torn to pieces by convicts/ - this incident will not go beyond the concentration camp. Therefore, from an ideological point of view, its efficiency is 0.

rouse_black

08 May 2018, 16:45 #

@doruma: but the girls let off steam. they will show off less to the overseers. they have found a way out of aggression and will be more obedient horses for a while. so there is a profit, although it's not about ideology, that's for sure.

29 Apr 2018, 15:48 #

Unfortunately, this series is somewhat flat compared to the rest, including the first of the second season, which is no longer being filmed according to the book. thank you for saving me, kind people, but no, you wanted me to hide, but I don't want to hide, I'm going to steal Hannah, but no, you're right, I can't steal Hannah, well, let's at least have sex, oh you soulless brute, you didn't even know that I was brought to the place of slaughter Well, okay, I'll leave a memorial of personal belongings here. and it seems like all the messages are obviously being read, but.

I liked Emily's arch.

lickneonlights

29 Apr 2018, 16:43 #

@delete-delete: Yes, the series was a bit boring compared to the previous ones. It is clear that the colonies were uncovered, they showed how June reveals freedom in a new way, all that, but the narrative turned out to be boring.

Zyac

29 Apr 2018, 19:35 #

Why are fertile (including) women sent to work and get sick at the site of a recent environmental disaster, if everyone seems to cherish every woman in red as the hope of humanity?

tweedlecat

29 Apr 2018, 20:49 #

@Zyac: because this is a pseudo-theocracy, in fact, no one gives a fuck and people just enjoy power. Don't look for logic in totalitarianism.

Zyac

12 May 2018, 14:20 #

@cat_pavel: maybe so, well, then let's say not for the sake of humanity, but for the sake of those in power to have children

Falka_23

03 Jun 2018, 21:50 #

@Zyac: Yes, these children have never lied to them.

Zyac

10 Jun 2018, 00:58 #

@Falka_23: Serena got fucked here)

Dorea_Potter

01 May 2018, 18:24 #

@Zyac: because specifically these fertile women rebel too much. They are of little use as women in labor, only harm

02 May 2018, 23:09 #

@Dorea_Potter: They could have pulled out her tongue so she wouldn't talk. Castration was successful. The eyeless one gave birth. A madwoman on a chain is wearing out her term and such a one will be able to. Another thing is that you can't rape her without pills. And stimulants are probably prohibited.

eugvishnevskaya

15 Jul 2018, 05:24 #

@Zyac: It was said in the first season that if a fertile woman could not give birth to three families, she would be sent to the scrap yard. Or those who disobeyed the law too much. Sometimes it is easier for them to be sent to work in the mines than to be re-educated.

vremya_grustit

30 Apr 2018, 23:18 #

of course, Emily's act was disappointing, that woman was obviously brainwashed, and what could she do, would she be able to go against the regime? She is, like the maids, a woman. It is clearly shown that even a wife who stumbles ends up in a colony.
She is also a victim of the system.
but at the same time, the reaction is understandable, after such a life as the maids lived, everyone will become embittered. but it would be better if it was directed at the root of evil.
I wonder if there are such colonies for men?
There were tears in my eyes on the last scene. and throughout the series, there is growing anger and resentment for LGBT characters.

Jasmine7500

01 May 2018, 20:33 #

@vremya_grustit:
do you still think that in this series it makes sense to judge from a position of humanity and humanity?
I'm begging you. They also clearly show that there is nothing in people except the desire to survive. And the opportunity to take revenge is just the limit of dreams. Emily acted like anyone else in her situation.

vremya_grustit

01 May 2018, 21:25 #

@Jasmine7500: I'm not talking about humanity, but about rational thinking. Emily is an intelligent woman, so her action surprised me. obviously, revenge, whatever it is, in such a situation can give at least some meager sense of freedom.
in this case, revenge, roughly speaking, is directed towards "their own". if they had soaked their wife in other conditions, not in hard labor, but at the same time her husband, there would have been no speech, it was almost an uprising, but here, as if revenge did not give anything special, banal acting out on the weak. but when Emily drove over their heads on a typewriter, it was cool :D
about the desire to survive, I agree in fact, but I note that the series also shows that people tend to show solidarity even in such conditions - the same stones that the girl was never beaten with last season, although everyone understood that the consequences will be so-so.

02 May 2018, 23:13 #

@vremya_grustit: it is doubtful that they realized exactly what the consequences would be. The rebellion is suppressed in its infancy. Fertility is not a panacea. It's a good thing that everyone didn't have one arm chopped off. In theory, this does not prevent giving birth.

Jasmine7500

01 May 2018, 19:29 #

What a charm :) Mitochondrial DNA - do you know what it is?
It's the MOTHER'S DNA! All our mitochondrial DNA is transmitted to us from the mother because the mitochondria of the sperm are in the tail, which disappears at conception :)

krokodilova

02 May 2018, 02:15 #

When June throws a tantrum for being brought to this particular place, she looks like a real fool.The country is overflowing with violence, people are being killed anywhere. They could all have been hanged recently. And when, at the cost of incredible risk, she is rescued and brought to a trusted place, she becomes hysterical as if a man bought the wrong chicken at the market.
And at the same time, it occurs to her to have sex vigorously there.

Midge

02 May 2018, 02:55 #

@Taksi: individual response to severe stress.

Yanvarenok

03 May 2018, 02:55 #

@krokodilova: in my opinion, we should not forget that she is also pregnant

alex_red

02 May 2018, 19:45 #

Тем временем продлили.
https://deadline.com/2018/05/hulu-surpasses-20-million-subscribers-renews-handmaids-tale-third-season-1202380859/

alx

03 May 2018, 03:15 #

Despite all the words, I think Emily acted quite nobly, putting the new girl out of her misery. Perhaps even too noble: if she wanted to punish her, she could just leave her alive to plow along with the others and slowly decompose alive. It's much scarier than such a quick death.

080585

04 May 2018, 04:03 #

@alx: No, there's no sense of nobility here — she clearly sent her at the end to die alone. It was a banal revenge for no clear reason. Although I agree with you, the new girl wouldn't have lasted long anyway.

04 May 2018, 09:26 #

@080585: / banal revenge is unclear why / - it is clear why.
to feel satisfaction in an accessible volume. She has never had and will never have another such opportunity.

Otherwise, it would be more powerful to observe the daily torments of one's ideological enemy, who personifies all tormentors. However, such a stream of whining mixed with religious nonsense, no amount of nobility and an unquenchable thirst for peace can endure for more than a couple of hours.

rogueFOX

04 May 2018, 17:21 #

June didn't like this episode. although she can be understood, but in general, of all the characters, only Nick was always liked, well, Moira

dalisha

04 May 2018, 22:09 #

Killing hundreds of adults and crying and pleading and suffering for the sake of giving birth to units of other people... What could be scarier than people's stupidity?

alx

05 May 2018, 01:10 #

@dalisha: what is the point of hundreds of adults if they will die anyway in 30-50 years and there will be no one to replace them?

06 May 2018, 01:18 #

@dalisha: these adults need to be fed, but nothing grows, wheat has to be exchanged from Mexico! So it's easier to shoot them and give birth to your elite purebred offspring, but the trouble is, offspring are not born!

06 May 2018, 01:19 #

"I'm doing this for you and our unborn child!", the next frame is "On the keys!" And how tired it is that June's sex is constantly being shown to some epic music.

And why don't they use guilty men to work in the colonies?

06 May 2018, 07:24 #

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thats_life

18 Sep 2019, 18:18 #

@Alleh: so get organized already, finally! You are our capable ones.

19 Sep 2019, 21:53 #

@vk323557: Did you associate yourself with the GG of the series and decided to take revenge?

thats_life

20 Sep 2019, 12:05 #

@Alleh: and how did I get back at you, actually? You stated that because you are a man, you are more capable of self-organization and "disturbance of space", whatever this mysterious phrase means. Well, I'm waiting humbly. Bring the news about the real situation in our Gilead, you are a man!

20 Sep 2019, 20:42 #

@vk323557: I didn't say that, that's how you took it.
Should I apologize for your interpretation?
I'm sorry, it's not my fault that you feel like you're in Gilead and need to be saved, I'm sincerely sorry.

wizjer

06 May 2018, 14:18 #

@Darula: In the novel, men are raked into the army, EMNIP

Horhe

06 May 2018, 22:56 #

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07 May 2018, 10:38 #

@Horhe: Candles are the least puzzling. they had a war, riots, power outages, most likely. so, rather, the presence of this electricity confused me much more.

AsyaGeller

11 May 2018, 15:00 #

June throws up her tantrums, it seems not the first day, but behaves inappropriately. I understand her stress and fatigue, but it's hard for Nick to take her out when there are guards looking for her under every bush.

youarebymyside

20 May 2018, 02:01 #

I looked at Marisa Tomei for a long time and thought: "What a familiar face! I know her for sure!" It took a sooo long time. :D She's cool. And, God, she's so beautiful. Such an image was created. I'm glad that the series was made about Emily. "Welcome to the fight. It sucks."
I'm not sure if Emily did the right thing by killing Mistress, but okay.

About another thing: it's strange if this episode isn't timed to Orlando or something like that. On the other hand, I remembered the situation when Obama was president in the United States, and LGBT people were treated well. And when Trump came to the presidency, the section on LGBT people was removed from the White House website (like) in the first 40 minutes (less than an HOUR passed!) and they were so kind (bastards) that they decided not to repeal the laws that same-sex marriage is legal in the United States. And so I didn't cry all this time when the rapes were shown, etc., there was only one moment when I cried a lot, the meeting of Luke and Moira, and then Emily was told that the document confirming their marriage with his wife was no more. valid. You are not a family. You are illegal. You're not flying together. She was crying.
I won't speak for others, but I'm probably so used to misogyny as a woman that I just brush it off. I'm angry, but I brush it off. But when I, as an LGBT and just a person, see such open homophobia, the desire to hate a person for who he is, without doing anything wrong, not meddling in other people's lives, the desire to KILL a person for loving a person of the same sex and wants to be as happy as Heterosexuals.... It angers and scares the hell out of me. I don't understand how this is even possible. And this rainbow postcard on the wall with the inscription PRIDE and a photo of a same-sex couple... It hurts a lot. A wonderful series.

I felt, however, wild frustration when Nick gave June the keys and the gun, "let her go," but it's good that she came to her senses. He should be the voice of reason in this wild situation where she is a trapped, desperate beast. :(

youarebymyside

20 May 2018, 02:04 #

By the way! Talking about
"What happened to my husband after?"
"I don't know. He was probably promoted."
It shows the state of affairs very well. We don't need feminism, yeah.

DavidKomae

01 Oct 2018, 17:03 #

@youarebymyside: On the contrary, I really liked the moment when Nick let June go and gave her the right to decide for herself what to do. If he had just said no, it would have been terrible, it would have turned out that she was still not a person with freedom of choice. He let her decide, knowing that she would act rationally and correctly, and so she did.

KrotTavi

10 Aug 2023, 01:16 #

@DavidKomae, I support, also regarded this act of Nick exactly like that. He cares, but he doesn't force her to obey

Mirra_

26 May 2018, 04:23 #

@youarebymyside: Sister ✋🏻 I am sending you an LGBT ray 🏳️🌈 you have voiced my thoughts about this series :)

Podhom57

25 Jun 2018, 20:40 #

and when all those in power have children, at least half of whom, obviously, will have the ability to reproduce, what will they do next?

26 Jun 2018, 08:29 #

@Podhom57: Daughters should be married off to fellow old commanders and their sons. Interbreeding is shorter. For the sake of breeding the Aryan race.

cyanide

14 Jul 2018, 23:44 #

thats_life

18 Sep 2019, 18:22 #

@cyanide: and still he continues to pray to opium for the people

Maka

07 Aug 2018, 20:51 #

Yeah... if s01e02 still inspired some optimism about the quality of the season, then this series completely destroys it.
There are exactly 2 and a half events. Two-minute, completely unnecessary, contemplation of the emotions of the characters and locations. GG is inadequate. And the twist with poison in the concentration camp does not in any way pull on the goblin "this is a twist", but rather causes a facepalm.

KrotTavi

10 Aug 2023, 01:17 #

@Maka, s01e02 this is the second episode of the first season 🙈

nyan-cat

19 Aug 2018, 17:38 #

The season is extended only by flashbacks.

AnastasiiaR

17 Feb 2019, 16:58 #

I burst into tears at a series of meetings between Emily and Janine. It was a strong moment and in general I love how Alexis Bledel plays.

Meliksedova

10 Jun 2019, 23:36 #

She 's fucked up , the kid risks for her , saves her , and she shows off . Only I'm not rooting for the main character?)))

Diana926107

14 Jun 2019, 20:02 #

At the beginning of the series, I noticed that there was a sign of polymetallic ores on the bags

Белявочка

16 Sep 2019, 03:28 #

Was Emily's wife the only one who reminded me of Lorelai, Rory's mother, who was played by Bledel in Gilmore Girls?

raven_earl

26 Oct 2019, 16:16 #

Филлер 🤦🏻‍♂️ зачем нужно было убивать эту женщину? Не проще вымещать на ней злость каждый день? А так всё удовольствие себе забрала - подругам ничего не оставила.

fb990109

06 Jan 2020, 13:49 #

Ужасный выбор главной героини Джун. Совершено не сексуальная актриса, но даже во время стресса постоянно думающая о сексе... серия - до слёз...

Dolorous

10 Jun 2023, 03:43 #

а почему она должна быть сексуальной? по-вашему памела андерсон хорошо смотрелась бы в этой роли?)) она обычная женщина каких миллионы, в этом и суть

RodTidwell

24 Jan 2020, 05:49 #

Жаль Марису Томей завезли всего на один раз. Преклоняюсь перед талантом этой женщины.

Elik33

07 May 2020, 08:48 #

Спасибо за друзей)

Elik33