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Discussion: Season 2, Episode 13 Join the Discussion
580// The season is over
And I don't even know what to think. I have conflicting thoughts about the groundwork for the third season. They finally decided to milk the story dry. But I'm damn glad Tyler didn't do what he planned. Otherwise, to hell with Tyler.
It was a good season. I didn't think anything could shake me more emotionally, but the season has dealt with it. He brought emotions, he raised important topics (that too many women are being abused and are silent about it; self-harming; hard drugs; rape of men; the consequences of bullying at school and much more) -- which means that everything was not in vain.
It's a shame that Bryce and the other scum from his company are just walking around and don't even feel guilty. It's a damn shame that Chloe bought into all these stories. I am glad that many heroes have finally been able to find, if not happiness, then at least something bright in their lives. As for Jessica and Justin -- I'm just disappointed, to be honest. Alex is a much better option for her, and Justin did what he did and nothing will change that. In addition, he is heavily addicted to heroin and nothing good should be expected from him. But I wonder, by the way, where it all led-- he and Clay are stepbrothers. Who would have thought?
I don't want to think about whether the season was worse or better than the first one. Everyone decides for themselves. And I personally will understand later.
PS: I promised to review the season with one person when the voiceover comes out. And how am I supposed to get back to all this?!
I hope that all athletes will get what they deserve next season, if there is one.
That's how some of the storylines in the second season ended for me. But I can't blame any of the characters in the anti-bryce team for their actions.
Burn the evidence? Yes, but you'll be safe, just like the other girls (in your opinion). After all, it's easier to pretend that everything is fine with you. Well, you'll lose your temper once, then twice, and then...who knows?
To sleep with a guy who, although he regrets, did not protect you and did not tell anyone about the rape, but covered for his friend? Yes, you have so little drama. Is it worth it?
Drugs, when is your life getting better? Yes, let it fly to...
but I'm not judging. You never know what happens in life, people are not perfect and commit those acts that they later regret.
And again, the situation is resolved by Glue. He understands what it means to be humiliated, helpless, pushed to the edge, which is why he helps Tyler, just as Justin helped him, so the local justice league is back in business. I'm looking forward to season 3 to see how it ends. And to continue the glorious tradition of watching the series on the night of the premiere and writing a comment, which is completely unusual for me. But isn't that what the creators of the series wanted? So that we can start talking, being aware, and dealing with similar situations in real life.
In the first season, I was on Hannah's ”side”, but this year she started to cheer me up. Everyone saw the situation in their own way.
I had the same weird feeling as Clay. Hannah's image crumbled with each episode.
> All people are different. All that remains is to move on, explore the world, be interested in the unknown, until...
until what? Until a person who doesn't see such simple boundaries decides to rape someone and wonders why someone is unhappy?
This is for the author of the original comment.
scary to live in a world where the victim of violence is considered guilty of what happened, even if it is a SERIAL CHARACTER.
Will you moan with pleasure?
She moaned at the beginning when she tried to somehow prevent what was happening, then she lay silent and motionless, because everything was shown.
Remember the films, I do not know, about the war. When a person is injured and crawling, he also moans, and this is clearly not from pleasure.
"Please, Bruce," can be interpreted in two ways? Seriously? Review episode 12 of the first season. Hannah sobbed, screamed, resisted and tried to get out, he just dragged her back by force.
Suppose if the rapist shuts the victim's mouth, then everything was mutual, because she couldn't say no? Your logic is very strange and scary, to be honest.
There are two ways to perceive the fact that a girl asks to stop and wants to escape. Really.
Where did you listen? Or is that not enough?
1. Jessica. To begin with, why the hell did Bryce even think she wanted to have sex with him? Jess wasn't his girlfriend, and she was practically unconscious at the time. Then we see that she tried to break free, but she couldn't, she didn't have enough strength. She says at the therapy group meeting that she tried to free her hands, but he held them tightly and wrung them back. Besides, Hannah, who was a witness, never doubted that it was rape. And even Justin, who was outside the door, understood what had happened, he just didn't want to admit it for a long time.
2. Hannah. If you review episode 12 of season 1, as the commentator above advises, you will see that Hannah asked to be released, cried, and resisted. And please note that the girl was already very emotionally depressed at that time, so at a certain point she simply stopped resisting, realized that she couldn't help herself.
3. Chloe. Well, there's nothing to say at all. She didn't even remember that she had sex with Bryce that night until she saw the photo. It's not OK to have sex with an unconscious person (even if that person is your girlfriend or wife, and Chloe didn't seem to be officially dating Bryce back then). And let's think about the following: we only see Chloe and Bryce in the photo, but what if Bryce wasn't the only one who raped her that night? It is unknown, but it is also possible. There were a bunch of guys who thought they could do anything, and the girl was unconscious. It's worth thinking about it.
Well, anyway, if you watched carefully, even the school coach (albeit reluctantly) read out the instructions that you can not have sex with a person unless he (she) verbally or by his actions confirmed that he wants it, and silence is not a sign of consent.
If you still don't understand Bryce's problems, just take his word for it that he's a freak, and doing what he does is bad.
Even if a person does not resist, it does not mean that he wants sex.
The oldest area of the brain, called the reptilian brain, is responsible for human behavior in a situation of danger. The "reptilian brain" has three types of reactions in response to a threat: run, fight, or freeze (pretend to be dead). You don't choose what to do, the "reptilian brain" decides for you. At the same time, in the third case, all body processes are inhibited, and the person becomes numb. Therefore, many rape victims are unable to put up the level of resistance they would like.
Moreover, the physiological reaction is also not always an indicator of desire: a person may experience fear, horror and disgust, but at the same time, the reaction of his body, despite everything, may be characteristic of sexual arousal.
Thus, in a certain situation, only a clear voluntary "yes" can save you from the fate of a rapist.
are you a sho, a fucker?
I'm just incredibly sad that such serious topics covered in the series do not remain within the boundaries of this series - in a fictional world, with fictional characters. It's sad that these problems exist in the real world, and that thousands of women face them every day. It's sad that someone is seriously asking such questions and considers Bryce's behavior to be normal. I feel both angry and powerless when I think about the fact that rape and violence in general happen every day in this damn world.
We already have a fucker and a fucker here. Who will be the next to give their expert opinion on how a rape victim should behave so that even the fuckers can sympathize with her?
As for the moans, did you hear them? Personally, I don't. And sobbing, trying to break away, pleading for the person to stop in the case of Hannah or the lack of movement and attempts to realize what is happening in the case of Jessica are not moans.
(No)
I liked the development of Zach, Jessica, Alex, Clay, and Justin (despite the fact that his condition is not encouraging at all). That they told Hannah's story from other angles, and thanks for the flashbacks with Jeff, that they revealed him a little more.
Actually, in my opinion, the perfect ending would be the moment when Hannah leaves the church or hugs under When we met. But then there would be no reserve for season 3, right? As a result, we have: Sid and Nancy, Justin's stepfather, Tyler and Clay who ran away, Chloe's pregnancy and criminals on the loose. It would be a pity if there were 13 episodes again, as this season seemed to be slightly delayed. As they say, we will observe.
Firstly, the events of the first season were shown from the point of view of other characters, which made it possible to see the current situation more clearly.
Secondly, they raised important issues that, alas, are relevant.
It would seem that in the 21st century, people should already learn to accept and understand others. but no. There are so many people like Bryce and his company in our world. people humiliate others, ruin other people's lives to amuse their egos. It's so disgusting.
I would like as many people as possible to watch this series. not just teenagers. We all need to see what happens when we act like assholes, do stupid things, and let rumors spread more and more... and also what happens to our loved ones when we decide to give up.
think before you say or do anything that could harm others. Don't be silent, share your feelings with your family. be happy and make a list of "why not" in difficult moments, rather than a well-known list...
the season certainly wasn't superfluous, BUT the last episode lubricated a lot for me personally.
1. the shooting story
I understood the principle of the creators: the most thrash scene is inserted into the last episode in order to finally finish off the audience. What was done to Tyler was terrible. I really felt uneasy, I can't even find the words to describe my emotions. and it's quite understandable why the guy took up arms.
all this time, while the disco was being shown, I sat and mumbled aggressively, expecting that a massacre was about to begin, someone would die, in general, there would be a catastrophe. Thank God, no one was injured.
2. the reserve for season 3
, yes, that's right. They did it. I guess I'm more AGAINST it than FOR IT. I don't dispute that if the scriptwriters want to, they'll come up with a bunch of things that will also resonate with many viewers. but I'm afraid that they will burn out and just spoil the characters, as they, IMHO, did with
3. Jessica
, I've been worried about her all season. She's been going through a lot of shit all season. Throughout the season, we've watched her go from being a bullied girl to a girl who was able to tell the truth.
their relationship with Alex developed over the course of 13 episodes. with each episode, the trust grew and then disappeared, but still they went through all the difficulties together and got together. it would be a good ending.
but at the last moment, for some reason, Justin was brought in. In the middle of the season, she said it would be better if he died, this time. She also said that it was hard for her to have physical contact with a guy, that's two.
So during the season, she was disgusted with herself, with her body, she wouldn't let anyone near her, and now she's gone and slept with someone who didn't protect her from a rapist and then hid the fact of the crime from her?
either my kettle doesn't cook, or there's something wrong with logic. that.
If I were the scriptwriters, I would choose these endings.:
1. after the service, Hannah's departure and all these gatherings, from which we learned the heroes' plans for the future.
2. at a party to show that they really continue to live and enjoy their youth, no matter how painful it may sometimes be for them.
and in both cases, close after season 2. Hannah's story is complete, I don't see the point in coming up with more facts that aren't on the tapes, or looking for other people's "reasons why."
but as they took it off, so they took it off. Anyway, it's been a busy season. I waited a whole year, but I looked at it in a day, yeah.
Well, I guess I'll see you in another year.
It just started to make me sick. It's just a tin can.....
In general, there are many reasons to write why this season turned out to be bad, but the most annoying is a rather stupid script, much worse than the first season, in which the motivation of the characters and the whole story were also poorly written (you can see how they wrote stories into the plot that do not fit the first season and those tapes at all). They promised to show "the other side of the story," but in the end it all looked like a regular addition to the same tapes from the first season. The trailers hinted at a line with photos, but in the end, the polaroids generally went to the fifth or sixth plan in the plot. The whole season has been in the form of trials in court - some of the interrogations and speeches were good (like the Kevin Porter episode), but most of them were not necessary at all (Ryan, Courtney, etc. - they took too much time and made little sense). In general, at times it looked like a completely different series.
Well, now the worst part is the last episode, which started well, but ended unrealistically stupidly. The incident with Tyler - you can immediately see how the scriptwriters are like, "We need to add a super shocking moment, let's get him raped with a mop." - it looked too stupid, as if the scriptwriters added a "twist" at the last moment, it was possible to push the usual beating, the scene with the mop is superfluous. Next, the moment when Clay goes to persuade Tyler..Really? When a shooter attacks, do you have to say "don't call the police" and go convince the shooter not to shoot (Tyler, you're good, I don't want you to die, stop")? Is it that simple? It's a very stupid idea, it's an idiotic move that absolutely ruined both the last episode and the overall impressions of the season.
1) at the moment with "the night we met", everyone hugs Clay, Justin doesn't kiss Jessica (+ not an addict again), Tyler successfully returns to school and society.
2) Tyler still arranges mass shooting (many die), cliffhanger
3) well, the most ideal option is to end with a scene in a cafe - no joking, no mop, no cheating on Jessica, a great moment to end not only the season, but also the series.
or if they really needed a cliffhanger for season 3, then they could finish on episode 12.
as it was, there were a lot of stupid moments. therefore, the season turned out to be very weak. all these made-up stories (Hannah and Zach, her father's betrayal, etc.), unrealistic actions of the characters (there were a lot in season 1, even more in the second - the climax with the mop and when Clay stops Tyler) - there are so many plot holes. Oh, the second season could have been really unique, it could have shown a lot of interesting things, but the scriptwriters still couldn't do it.
P.S. still, there were some good moments - Clay's conversations with Hannah and how she left at the end, Justin's line (except for the final kiss with Jess), Porter, Courtney, and Zach were pleased (they did well, they realized many mistakes), Cyrus is a good addition to the cast.
as a result, the second season is terrible, it is absolutely unnecessary, and the series itself is rather weak - it tries to raise serious issues, but it does it using very stupid methods.
But after such a long emotional heat, don't give the viewer a single outlet? No justice? No justice?
Bryce walks around as if nothing had happened, his friends rush around the school and arrange physical violence, the teachers still don't care, Justin, despite the incredible act of Clay's parents, shamelessly pricks again, even ignoring the visions of himself small, Jessica, having taken such a huge step forward, cheerfully jumped back, Chloe seemed to have evolved from slouping to slouching, and Tyler... He did what everyone expected of him. They prescribed so many nasty things for him in the series that I can't blame him for his decision. There is no moment for doubt.
Not a single bright episode really, the whole character development was abruptly cut short by complete degradation in a second. Hannah left, but the clowns stayed.
I'm upset. I'm upset that they didn't give us the only reason to believe that all these guys are still capable of something, and that everything will get better.
From the positive. I'm happy for Hannah's mom, she went through a terrible tragedy, but she was able to fight. I was able to pull myself out of this shit.
The scene in court where Jessica's testimony seamlessly merged into the testimony of all the girls and women in the series, as if the female voice had become one (and still no response...)
and Clay. This season had obviously battered him a lot, but he needed to see Hannah from all sides. And survive it. And in the end, he appears to us as exactly the hero that Hannah's ghost was talking about.
Everything is ambiguous. I liked this season more than the previous one due to the greater intensity of events. But they didn't teach us any good lesson. It's just that everything is bad and accept it, see you in the third season.
As for Justin, it's also quite plausible that it's difficult to give up drugs that give you relief, which help you forget and move on. Not many people can find the strength to get over it. If it were that simple, there would be no problems.
But I'm not happy with Jessica myself, this is not what I expected from this character, but what can I do?
Actually, I liked the second season more than the first. That's how Hannah annoyed me, and I'm glad Clay had to face and accept that she interacted with other people as well. The hallucination technique was simple, but I was glad he was able to let it go anyway.
I would even end the series on that note, because this story will never end. All this school bureaucracy and the judicial system are generating new violence. The moment with the girls in court was very good and reflects the current situation. Like the shooting that has been going on all season, I was reminded of watching the protests on Instagram against the availability of guns in the United States over the past couple of months.
PS It was very unexpected to see Anthony Rapp, I even paused to stop smiling and get back on the show.
in season 2, however, showed Hannah, who wanted to be happy, it is easier to observe happiness than pain
it was very nice to see the guys come together, support each other and always come to the rescue in a difficult moment, and though the act of Hannah was stupid, but it helped to see the people the importance of their actions and words, she brought all of his friends, who almost never spoke of her life
it was nice to see the support given to the clay with his parents, Justin, Justin, in turn, supported Jessica, and she did, and Zack, who was just struck by showing a real friendship and support Alex
very much like the scene in the court, where women talked about how they had been sexually assaulted, it seems to me that the man who has not been through it, just can't fully understand how serious this situation is, but the creators had a little help with this understanding
the last scene with Tyler, where he was beaten, shocked me, it was cruel to watch and just didn't have the nerve, with half of season 2 waited, and when he's with his friends shooting at school, and now I'm glad this didn't happen
glad that the creators have included many funny moments, over which it is possible to have a good laugh, this is not distracting from the problems of the main characters, but still
this season was really interesting, he is forced to relive, laugh, sad, and even helped a lot to think about
of course I would like to see the continuation of the stories, but I don't know, maybe it would be better to stay at this beautiful note, but otherwise things can roll to hell
I remember myself in the summer, or when they announced that there would be a season 2, how I was like, "HMMM?!What? Season 2?
But after watching the first episodes, I realized that this season should have been filmed, it should exist! He brings up such important topics, you just start thinking about them, I thought about it, I think it will be for a long time!
It was so nice to see the reasons why it was necessary to live, it's a pity that they couldn't keep Hannah from killing herself like that!
I'm waiting for season 3, I wonder what else can be done!
and I washed down this glass with my snot
for a long time, I haven't eaten so tightly, guys, fucked up.
The whole episode was escalated so much that I honestly thought everyone at the dance would be shot. I was very worried about the main characters. The main thing now is that Clay has time to throw the rifle before the police arrive, he will be in jail before the ATO, and then prove that you are not a camel.
Actually, in the case of Hannah, it's hard to blame the school for everything, because many things didn't happen within its walls and they really didn't know anything, and the fact that they didn't notice the depressive moods, well, the parents didn't notice either. Hannah's father was right to say that it was their fault, too, and there's no denying it.
What prevented him from calling 911, contacting someone from the staff, or going to the hospital? In reality, he could easily have died from internal bleeding.
I'm so sorry for Alex
In each episode, the announcer said: if something similar happened to you, then contact us... And for what purpose? In order to concoct a new script about patience? I thought they would show you how to get out of difficult situations, but we see that there is NO way out. If I was thinking about suicide, I would have killed myself after this series.
there were a decent number of plot holes, but this was slightly offset by the number of light scenes with Hannah and the rest of the characters (flashbacks, perhaps, the only thing that was pleasant to watch).
I was pleased with the development of some characters, namely Jessica (a wonderful development throughout the season and a kind of step back in this series – I was very upset), Justin (I think that compared to the first season, he revealed himself quite well, it's difficult to forgive him, of course, but at least he causes sincere sympathy), Alex and Zach (both separately and together). Clay was annoying with his constant slatshaming and the attitude "I'm perfect and deserved Hannah, and you're all shit," then he seemed to become a normal guy. I'm not talking about Tyler at all – the scriptwriters found a scapegoat, but they did it in vain, the kid suffered too much.
The fact that Bryce and his friends never got what they deserved is the most upsetting thing. where is the vaunted justice and at least some sense in this season without it?
In general, it's good that they showed a slightly different side of the story, but it definitely could have been handled much better by season 2/5 – and that's a stretch.
And if the first half of the episode was just beautiful and wonderful (with the exception of Bryce walking freely), then the end is just darkness.
This season has been sooo hard emotionally, and I'm still shaking and feeling heavy. A lot of tears and pain, but it was worth it, except for some moments.
What did they do to Jess? She was registered so well, she couldn't let a single guy near her, and then one day she testified, became bolder and cheated on her boyfriend??? Okeeeeee, that's not how it's done guys
Justin, my bunny, why do you need these drugs, give them to Clay, he saw the dead girl he loves, he definitely needs them more
Although, considering that he went to an armed guy and talked about how he didn't want him to die, and we didn't even need the police, it seems that he still accepted something.
Tyler. I couldn't watch this scene, there was too much brutality, it was insanely creepy.
Alex, you're my sweetheart, why are you being deceived so well, well, this Jessica, come to me
The season was good, but for me, the kneading for the continuation ruined everything, it's already too much, you need to be able to stop.
I was very happy when Justin was adopted, which was expected, but cool. And I am very disappointed with his subsequent actions. Jess is a fool, Alex deserves better.
Tony and Caleb are very cute, the best couple of the season.
Zach is also a sweetheart, I couldn't help but ship him with Alex.
In general, the season turned out well, but the finale, as for me, was leaked. I should have stopped dancing. But it seems to be a new trend to merge the seasons. Yes, this is my stone in Rivedale's garden.
I don't think we need a third season, but life will show.
For an American viewer, a situation where a high school/college athlete comes out of such a story dry is a classic. In the American education system, such people are always covered, and in most cases, the injured girls not only remain unheard, but are also attacked by the athletes' fan base. The parents of such bastards often have enough contributions to make the institution turn a blind eye, and the excuse shown in the series is an accurate example. That's the way it is with thousands of girls.
The hugging scene at the ball broke my heart completely. The way everyone came together, knowing who was in unbearable pain, is priceless. Everyone has their own drama, but supporting someone who hasn't let go is important.
And I personally thought until the last moment that there would be shooting, but I am immensely glad that at least this did not happen here. Although it has been escalating all season and was so expected. I can't believe how many eyes are closing on obvious problems.
I'm really sorry that there wasn't such a series in my teenage years. But it's good that he exists at all, and I hope that he will help someone to fight for themselves.
It all started cheerfully - the first three episodes were on fire, showed the consequences of all this, added drama to Clay with his new girlfriend - which was very strong for me, but they somehow leaked this moment, just showing that she was being treated and after that, she leaves. 8 out of 10, but there could be a potential 10.
Some flashbacks are a little annoying, what you saw in the second season doesn't match up at all with what happened in the first. Especially as for Dimsy (Asian) - well, I can't help it, Hannah's answer in the style of "I probably wanted it to remain personal" didn't suit me at all. 5 out of 10.
The storyline with the photos was generally weak, although it was possible to make something bigger like cassettes out of it, but it turned out... it turned out sluggishly in general. 6 out of 10. And that's for a good seed. It could potentially become a full 8 or even 10.
But I liked Tyler's story. In fact, the story of a kind of nerd who found friends in freaks (I have nothing against punks, I was into it myself in 2007), and then such a sharp realization that all this is posturing, in fact. Honestly, I didn't expect such an ending for him. What they did to him was kind of overkill, and honestly, I'd be glad if he shot these freaks. 9 out of 10, and that was because I was thirsting for the blood of these *******. And yes, the actor who played Tyler's friend was good.
Well, regarding the strong individual moments. The end of the second episode where Clive screams at Hannah is 10 out of 10. Mass brawl at school - 11 out of 10. It was as if all the faces had let their inner selves loose. The moment when they mobbed that 10 out of 10 bastard, even if they somehow leaked it afterwards.
In general, the season is good, but everything is worse than the first one. I'll be honest. In the whole story, I was most worried about Clive, and I didn't find him enough this season. There was little anger, those unbridled emotions that were from him in the first.
The final score is probably 8 out of 10. There are too many sagging moments that could be tightened up for me.
My poor Alex, come to me, I'll feel sorry for you)
* Please capture Tony and Zach, whose character has been rediscovered for me this season*)
P.S. Alex is wrapped up by everyone.
I hope that by starting Tyler's story next season, they will punish all those who got away with it. Because we have enough injustice in the real world.
- a "good" boy from a rich family
- an athlete who brings all kinds of awards to schools
- he was so decent in court in a suit and glasses.
- the coach probably described him very positively if people who knew him were interviewed in court.
And with all this characterization, "well, let's not spoil the boy's life. He's young. Well, I made a mistake, it doesn't happen to anyone."
That's what everyone was talking about in Sweet&Vicious. It's a pity they closed it.
They will not punish. Because the same Bryce gives money to the series, and a lot of Tylers will shoot what Bryce says and put up with a mop in the ass.
The interactions of the characters are excellent this season. The only thing missing was Alex and Justin, but this three-minute "I won't fucking let you die" scene is the best thing that happened in their history.
I don't understand why it was necessary to bring Jess and Justin together again. Yes, the feelings haven't gone away, but this development should have been different. Now I don't understand Jessica at all. Alex deserves better.
Clay. Just thank you for being alive and even without the schizo.
There were many bright, beautiful, necessary, bitter, terrible, sad, sweet moments, the season turned out to be good. And the song at the end, Clay being killed, Tony being taken care of-it was strong.
Well, we're waiting for season 3. And we hope that Tyler will be helped to cope with everything.
pysy. Why didn't Clay just throw the gun into the bushes and erase his fingerprints?
And I thought Bryce the bastard would get away with it, there's no other way for rich people.
, it's a pity that these characters like Montgomery and most other athletes have not changed in 2 seasons.
The good part is Clay's speech and a joint dance in his support, which is poignant to the point of impossibility. Another strangely sweet episode of Zack's friendship with Alex - I can't get enough of them. Mentioning Jeff, of course. And Courtney, there wasn't much of her, but all the appearances are fire, so little in common with the fucker from last season)
Tyler's rape scene is like hell, Monty is totally fucked up. But what's doubly shocking is that he's found a couple more guys helping him, even when things have already gone beyond good and evil. It's good that Clay and Tony have sorted out the shooting situation at least for now, enough deaths already.
It was great to have Jessica in court, speaking as if on behalf of all these girls and women. But the end is so disappointing. I just wanted to be happy for her and Alex, as sex followed in the locker room. What was it with Justin, where did it come from, and why? Well, I would have figured myself out, but it didn't turn out very reliably (because even if there were feelings left, how can someone who sat under the door while she was raped, even if he rehabilitated himself a hundred times, help overcome his discomfort, so well described in previous episodes?), stupid and mean-spirited the attitude of both of them towards Alex.
If there is a third season, I will still be glad - this series is clearly my rabbit hole, and again, several lines have been outlined. But it's time to say goodbye to Hannah. Clay's new hallucinations with her will only create a comical effect.
First of all, we are all different, and we perceive the world differently, some people react sharply to everything, others don't care.
Secondly, you don't know what you would do in a similar situation (God forbid anyone should find themselves in it, of course).
I hate Montgomery even more than I hate Bryce (even though he's just as guilty). And I feel so sorry for Tyler, I wish I could hug him and comfort him after what they did to him throughout the season. Really, Monty, because of the command to kill a person's life, dignity, and health (mental and physical). I would have strangled him...
I'm glad there was no shooting. We have been shown that this is not an option. As well as suicide, which was highlighted this season when Jessica talked to Justin. Many people said after the first season that they idealize suicide and show how good it is. But no, what has Hannah achieved? She ruined the life of the whole city, her parents, and couldn't put Bryce away. But what a strong Jessica, who tried and, as she said, it made her feel better. (I'm sorry I couldn't)
I hope Bryce and Montgomery go to a mental hospital. The school will be redone, how many lives it has ruined. I hope the guys will help Tyler, he deserves support. The music, the shooting, and the acting are great.
I'm waiting for the third one.. I hope they don't spoil it. Although they have already done better books, much better.
1. They showed the situation from the other guys. It is important.
2. We see that Hannah was not such a saint. It's strange that she herself was the one who, wanting to be popular, bullied the girl. She should have known better than anyone that many people were wrong.
3. The topic of violence against women is shown in more detail, and THIS IS IMPORTANT.
4. They showed that some people can be saved, that suicide or murder is not an option at all.
5. They showed the ways of redemption for some. For example, a psychologist and Jason.
I think the first season was incomplete. It was "13 reasons why Hannah killed herself," and the second one showed "100,500 reasons to be strong, work on yourself, help those who need help!!!"
I don't really understand all this at all. They show all season what kind of creatures people are at school, and how bad it is that no one knows about it, but in the end everything continues in the same spirit.
And those who held on at least a little bit finally broke down.
There is no justice and there never will be.
I really liked the moment with Clay and Hannah's song when everyone supported Clay.
The second season is great.
Violence begets violence.
https://youtu.be/1a3_S-2dA_I
Why couldn't Tyler have been transferred to another school? He knows what kind of scum study there, he hates them, so why is he going there again?
I was so happy for Jessica and Alex, but damn Jessica/Justin - zacheeeeee?
And then the topic of why Bryce is a rapist was raised from above. Seriously? Remember the first time Hannah and Zach had, he asked her, "Are you ready?" and she replied, "Yes." It is immediately obvious that it is by mutual desire. But when a guy comes into a room with a girl who is practically passed out and starts raping her, or forcibly restrains another in the Jacuzzi, isn't that violence? And try to push such a boar away.
In general, I really liked the season, it turned out to be even tougher and stronger than the first one. I don't understand why there are so many complaints about him. It seems to me that he showed everything rotten that exists in our society.
From the moment of the group hug, I was literally shaking. I can't remember the last time a movie/TV series kept me in SUCH suspense for such a long time.
I'm glad Clay was able to stop Tyler from putting a bullet in his head. Truth. Because the only thing that would sting Tyler further was death. And it's not a fact that he would have killed all those he wanted.
I really enjoyed this season, but somehow I don't think I'll enjoy the third one either. Hannah's story is really over, and I think it's worth not extending the season, but making some kind of spinoff about shooting and so on.
Well, I've also been surprised all season that no one hears Clay naturally arguing with someone imaginary. Not his parents, not his roommate, no one.
I'm not a medic, of course, but how did Tyler walk so smoothly after all this? They also tore up everything they could (it was clearly visible on the mop)
The scene of Hannah leaving is a little ridiculous for me. I understand, we say goodbye and she leaves, it's logical, but... It's kind of ridiculous.
Jessica and Justin. Okay, I understand if they just kissed, but this... Well, damn, I don't know...
Bryce's rich family got away with it. I won't say that it was unexpected, although I was hoping, of course. And pregnant Chloe.. I feel like as soon as he finds out, he's going to leave her. I wouldn't be surprised if he also accuses me of treason.
I'm glad that I stopped hating half of the guys, they were really exposed on the other side. But I think it's time for them to finish.
I got sick and was disappointed with the reserve for the next season and generally there is availability. Is it really needed? Is there anything else to say about this story?
In the end, one of the guys was expected to die at the hands of Tyler, but the scriptwriters decided otherwise. You shouldn't worry about Clay, everyone knows that he's a good guy, and his mother is a lawyer, it's unlikely that he will have to face the law because of that machine gun in his hands.
What about Jessica and Justin?..Yes, I would like to see them together, but what about Alex? It would break his already wounded heart. On the other hand, I feel incredibly sorry for Justin, he really loves her, he still hasn't gotten off drugs, deceiving not only Clay and his parents, but also himself, calling himself happy, smiling.
The season brought a lot of emotions, no less than the previous one.
Each episode is a little depression that needs to be overcome.
Thanks to the creators of the series for bringing up such important topics.
In this triangle, everyone can be understood individually. Back in the first season, Alex was worried that he had lost Jess. Jessica still loves Justin and tried to overcome it in herself. Justin loves her too and tried to defend Jessica in a peculiar way, saying that Hannah was lying. Well, at least I tried to fix everything. But still, I don't understand two things: why would you get along with Alex if you're not at all sure if you need it. And, of course, how easily she undressed and slept with Justin. First of all, even though time had passed and she began to feel stronger, it was still somehow too easy and fast. And secondly, Alex, who is already vulnerable and broken, is not sure how he will survive this.
I started to worry more about Alex when he remembered. If you think about it, it's a tin can. If he'd looked out the window, he might have really tried to stop Bryce. And after that, it became clear why he was so overwhelmed in the first season.
See them*
On the one hand, I'm against another season, but on the other hand, why not? If it's as good as this one. In the meantime, it remains to save up tears for next year.
I suspect that many people didn't understand anything here, for them it's just another drama about American teenagers, but they themselves don't even suspect that the same thing can happen to their friends in their schools.
In short, people, never turn off your head and do not let emotions outweigh logic and common sense, take care of yourself.
Let's turn on our heads more often and not be afraid to conduct dialogues, even in the comments to the series :)
I'm waiting for the third season, but as I said, the title of the series is no longer relevant, we could have left "Reasons, Why", which would characterize everything that happens in the series and would have a moral, and 13 reasons brings us back to Hannah. Of course, it's cool to remember how it all started, but there are many more reasons than 13, and there are many more main characters with problems and life crossroads. Well, I'm already whining, they won't change the name anyway.
I'm worried about Clay with the gun, it's a real dilemma. After all, it will turn out anyway that this is Tyler's gun, that it came from a shooting club (or where Tyler got the gun from, he got it from somewhere), every licensed weapon has a serial number, there is a license, there is an owner, in general, everything is taken into account, Tyler will be found, Clay will have to explain, how it was. But these are mundane matters, and I'm glad there were no fatalities.
But the second season is an absolute masterpiece, the scriptwriters did everything right.
I don't see any groundwork for the third season yet, but I have some ideas.
I don't know if you've watched the movie Adulthood, where the main character is an asshole bully killer who got out of prison reformed.
I highly recommend watching this trilogy for fans of this series, in Russian it is: Punks, Punks-2 and Punks-3. Everything is more harsh and clumsy there, but the issues of the difficult life of teenagers and morality are also touched upon.
What am I getting at? Think about it, if after a while Bryce Walker rethinks life and becomes a good guy?
I'm not inclined to stigmatize even the most notorious scumbags, because every person has different sides and facets of personality.
I knew people who were the last creatures in school, but in the end they outgrew themselves and grew above themselves, I did a lot of unpleasant shit in my life, I bullied weak girls because I was more popular and morally stronger, I had a company that was badly influenced by me, school is long behind me, at university I've been hit by a skating rink myself, and more than once, I can no longer apologize to the people who have suffered from me, alas, but I can not repeat mistakes and, from the height of my experience of wisdom and bitchiness, I can reason with others.
I watched the series on the day of the premiere, but the comments prompted me to write this comment, even though I usually don't leave them.
Of course, we want justice and retribution, but reeducation and education are much more important, remember this!
There will definitely be a 3rd season, but it's a pity. It would be nice to end this one. Finish the story of Justin overdosing, or how his mother's lover found him and killed him (tried to kill him). Finish the story with Tyler: killed himself, killed the rapists, shot at the school. And there would be a full-fledged completed series.
In general, I'm just interested in finding out how Clay's fate turned out, whether he managed to move on.
I would like to hug everyone who watched this series, as if we are also a company connected by dirty secrets.
And when the night we met started playing, she also roared like a child. I was very moved by the song and how the guys came together.
In general, the season was very pleased with this kind of cohesion. I feel sorry for Alex. Jessica was still wild. And Justin just seems to want to screw it up completely.
The season featured episodes 6 and 10. And of course this one.
I hope Clay gets better.
I'm shocked if Clay gets hurt by this
Then my whole life won't be the same.
And I really hoped for mass scouting after that. At least she fully justified Tyler.
Overall, the season is powerful. There are a lot of emotions from tenderness and joy that there were bright moments in Hannah's life, for example, such as with Zach, to a feeling of despair because of injustice (Bryce? Proven rape and only 3 months probation?)
A significant disadvantage in this series for me is the predictability. It was already clear that Justin would have a family a couple of episodes before the end of the season. His overly sugary image will be ruined by his drug addiction, which is also obvious. (Or maybe I've watched so many TV shows in my life that it's hard to surprise me with anything :D)
Thanks to the scriptwriters for this dance of the guys at the ball to The night we met. Hannah did one very important thing-she brought them all together, made them real friends.
Well, the ending. Honestly, I'm very disappointed, because the whole season it's so obvious to hint at shooting, create tension, but in the end it's nothing. The perfect ending for me: after a poignant scene with a song by Hannah and Clay, Tyler just bursts in and starts reading the very massshooting. It's like Porter said: cyclical. The story has closed. And then it's the spin-off that's going to be shot, as they said above about this particular story without Hannah's participation.
And so, we are waiting for the story of the confrontation between Justin and his stepfather, pregnant Chloe, Jessica's next novels and the next flashbacks in Clay's head. I'm afraid next season will be much worse. We'll see in a year.
ps thanks to netflix for such a gift on my dr :D
the scene in the toilet is the height of cruelty, well, how can you live peacefully after such a thing?How did Tyler
get so many guns?SY: I'm glad that Justin was adopted
At the end, I realized that there would be a third season. Does anyone know anything about this?
P.S. I was surprised that some people couldn't understand why Bryce was considered a rapist...
Overall, the season turned out to be quite normal. I think that after the first incredibly shocking season, the novelty and fullness of emotions, there were high expectations. I don't want to speculate that something is far-fetched and so on. I'll just enjoy the aftertaste.
To be honest, Justin was very disappointing at the end. Next season, I think they'll give him a lot of time, considering that his mom's boyfriend was shown.
I feel terribly unfair because of both verdicts on Hannah and Jessica.
I just don't have words for Tyler, what was done to him is just terrible. No wonder he was overwhelmed, especially considering his emotional state earlier... Fortunately, the creators of the series did not end the season with a shootout.
In general, it seems that in the world of "13 reasons why" it is impossible to achieve justice, but on the other hand, as Clay correctly pointed out in the end, what matters is how we act next time, whether we learn anything from our mistakes.
I would like to mention separately the series in which Mr. Portman testified in court - still impressed!
But I even want to see the third season. The rating on Tomatoes is extremely low, and I think the ratings have dropped, but what if the creators learn from the failures of this season and give a cool third? I'm hooked on the heroes, and I don't want to part with them.
And I do not know where to start. It's been a great season. Emotional enough to review it again, I thought, until I watched the last episode. Damn it, it was hard. I paused several times and went out onto the balcony to catch my breath. It's strange, because I'm not very emotional and not very receptive in life.
Scumbag Monty, that's a ********. He has obvious problems with his head. I think in the wake.They'll tell you more about him this season. His abuse of Tyler is SHOCKING! At the moment of what I saw, I thought my heart would stop.
Tyler, the next season is yours. It hurts me to look at him.The guy had just completed therapy when he was broken again.Yes, indeed!!! In his place, of course, it would have been better to declare, but...
Justin... Well, what can I say, you idiot. My attitude towards him changed every episode.Pity, sympathy, disgust, pity again, pride, and then herak and you think, "Are you a moron? What are you freaking out about?"In short, I hope he'll come to his senses, but it's not a fact. With drugs, "friendship" is not so easy to break.
Jess, are you serious ? What's wrong with Alex? She's certainly done well to find the strength, but where is she going? I think she's just confused and doesn't realize it. Or maybe it's a strong feeling-love.
Clay and his whole family are definitely a spoonful of honey . I was worried about myself. A positive guy, what to say...His family's concern for Jah's fate certainly surprises me.
🤬Bryce and his movement, it's all bullshit. He doesn't care, he's got money and connections. I live as I want. I was surprised that he got away with it. The truth of life.
I'm going to have to watch the last three episodes again, with a young man. I watched the rest of the season quietly. I couldn't wait for the evening. And now I regret it. The emotions won't be the same anymore. Although who knows...
But I tried to understand Jess a little bit. Alex, of course, is a sweetheart and all that. But you'll forget how you feel about a guy, especially with that puppy dog look. They showed life. Not everyone is perfect, and it happens. There's pity and emotion and atmosphere. And he's damn good-looking, too.
Now I'm sure Alex will be upset because of her infirmity and also because she didn't sleep with him after all her problems.
It's a pity for Alex, he has a puppy dog look too. 😁
About Tyler. It can be understood, but only by half. Kill them all? What does that have to do with it? Kill Monty and go to jail for it. The scene with the mop is simply beyond anyone's strength. You can beat up, be mean, but raping a person with a mop so that he goes to the toilet with blood is too cruel. Tyler just took the course and here it is. But why kill half the school? I understand that I want to touch on all the topics at once, which is commendable, but this should not be the case. School shootings are a hot topic right now. Children are becoming more and more violent, we shouldn't keep silent about this, but is it really impossible to make a spin-off, with all these characters, finish Hannah Baker's "13 reasons why" with dignity?
The funny thing is that the scriptwriters looked into the water, making rape the main theme of the season (you probably don't need to mention the events with Weinstein, the #MeToo movement, etc., which began in October last year), while, as it seems to me, they didn't put the squeeze on it, and as they wrote above, it turned out raw, and if The creators took their time, it would have been much better. But at the same time, the opening scene, where each character talked about who, where and how they were molested, turned out to be very powerful. And it's right that the scriptwriters chose this topic as the main one, we need to talk about it and we can't keep silent.
Well, a couple of questions for the scriptwriters. Why the fuck make Justin a drug addict again? Why don't you let the audience be happy for him, because such a bright moment when he finds a second family, no, damn, you have to ruin everything. And one more question, of course. Why spoil Jessica's intelligence like that? She can be a controversial character sometimes, but does she kiss Alex first and then have sex with Justin??? Well, you can't do that. Why make an obtuse triangle? Give the characters a break, please. And of course, cliffhanger, obviously, the third season will be 99% complete, so there are still a few open moments. Still, if the scriptwriters correctly approach the problem of school shootings, a topic that is still topical in the United States, then the season can turn out to be very interesting. We are looking forward to it.
The series clearly didn't need a second season either. But it's a popular thing, and Netflix will pull the series to the last.
Clay was more "lucky" in this matter - they only beat off his kidneys, gave him a concussion, and maybe broke a couple of ribs. It's safe to assume that they were the same guys.
He posted photos on his social network where he and Cyrus were against the background of painted walls and a ruined field. That's how everyone found out it was them. Cyrus, apparently, was not bullied much about this, but Tyler Montgomery decided to take it out on Tyler, as already mentioned above.
It's heartbreaking that Bryce never got what he deserved. I wanted justice. But apparently the series wants to show realism so much that all such freaks get away with everything, which is even sadder.
I never liked Tyler, but what was done to him was terrible. It was even a pity that Clay had stopped him. Maybe there was some justice.
A moment of dancing to tears.
It's a great season.
But even that's not enough for them, obviously there will be a third season.
And what happens next, does it turn out that Hannah was familiar with the second half of school and broke this photographer's life even more?
This is all nonsense. Netflix, like many other companies, absolutely does not know how to finish TV series on time.
I've had enough of this shit.
But thank him for talking about things that are usually kept quiet.
I'll say a few words about the last episode, I'm glad that Olivia found the strength and began to move on. The scene for the song "the night we met" (which I absolutely adore!) it was very touching, I'm glad that the guys have each other now. There are a lot of questions left, let's see what happens next, but season 2 was amazing.
as for me, the second season is much better, my main argument is that he ?more?. In the first season, we see mostly just a look from Hannah and Clay, but in this one, the views and reactions of other guys are shown on the same situations, which are very different. It's interesting to watch.
I really liked that there are a lot of difficult moments and bright ones in the season. after watching the first season, I fell into a kind of apathy, and after that I feel a whole range of emotions - it's cool.
the last episode impressed me very much, I just finished watching it and it's the hardest for me. there were a lot of touching moments - Clay's speech in church, a pleasant and comfortable conversation about religion, Justin and Clay's conversation about welcoming him into the family, a shared hug while dancing (I even cried).
Tyler's rape knocked all the air out of my lungs-it all happened so fast and brutally, I didn't even expect it to turn out this way. He was ready to get better, but on the first day he was broken. the scriptwriters seemed to prove once again how one action can destroy everything (and how to fix it too - if it weren't for Clay, the evening would have turned into a tragedy).
it hurts me for Justin, I see how he has matured in terms of personality, but he will ruin his life with drugs if he does not start fighting "here and now". Kissing Jessica turned out to be strange for me - I can't understand how she feels. but, remembering the first season and their relationship with Justin, it seems to me that she still loves him very much, despite his lousy actions. Alex is still more of a friend to her. If that's the case, I hope Jess and Justin get better and help each other out of the shit.
I really missed the epilogue, I didn't look for anything about the third season, but if the second is the last, then the ending is very lacking, everything somehow ended (my soul demands a happy ending, I do not know).
The season turned out to be gorgeous, in short
for the whole half of the last episode, I just sat and prayed that he would break into the party and kill everyone
, and I was very upset when Clay stopped him.
That scene with Tyler was so hard and terrible that I still can't get over it, and I've seen a lot of violent scenes in my experience
on the show, so it's a pity that he didn't kill Monty and the rest of the bastards
. I was even ready to kill the main characters just to avenge what was done to him. It was terrible, it shouldn't have happened and it shouldn't have gotten away with it
in general, the season itself turned out to be good and not superfluous: I think that the characters were well revealed, and it's great that we heard the story not only from Hannah, but also from them. there are two sides to the coin, everyone has their own truth, etc. and I liked that Hannah is now not just a saint, but also not some kind of whore, no, she is the most ordinary person with her flaws, mistakes, but still a kind and good person.
There are three things I really liked about this episode.
1) when Clay was talking to Hannah with tears in his eyes:
- the thing I'm most afraid of is... forgetting you.
- then don't.
- the thing I'm second most afraid of is that I'll never be able to let you go.
2) When Clay finally managed to let Hannah go, she left, and he hasn't seen her since.
3) when the same song started playing, The Night We Met, and all the guys hugged Clay and each other, supporting them, reminding them that they were together.
the moment that horrified me to the core is the cruelty towards Tyler, it's just real fucked up. He didn't deserve it. Montgomery is a bitch and a beast.
The moments I didn't like were how Jess suddenly slept with Justin and how the season ended in principle. I don't know, I was already on edge by this point and expected Tyler to shoot everyone at school, so when he didn't, I was left wondering why. Of course, I'm glad that no one died (although if Montgomery had died, I would have been happy.), but I was expecting something really powerful, xs. maybe I just read too much about shooting in US schools, and I wanted Tyler to shoot everyone, and like this they showed that bullying at school not only ends their lives, but also takes up arms, so fuck, don't mock anyone and don't rape anyone-_- and everything led somehow to such an ending... but mb was considered too cruel. and in the end, it ended up being kind of weird. I don't know what will happen in season 3, if there will be one, but we'll see if it's interesting.)
Justin disappointed with his expansion (but I hope the new family will help him with this as well)
My heart breaks for Tyler💔 Until the last moment, I thought he would shoot Clay, but no.
The situation with Tyler is hell, my jaw just dropped from such abomination and cruelty. I didn't like Montgomery before, but I had no idea he was such a fucking bastard. Actually, I thought that Tyler's rehabilitation didn't help in any way, and he was lying to the psychologist so that he could be allowed to attend classes and he could arrange a second Columbine, but no. He really changed, he was trying to start over, but what's the point of changing for the better if you have such fucking animals around you? The advice "start with yourself" in a bullying situation does not work explicitly, and it is perfectly shown here.
Clay stopping Tyler from shooting is cool and stupid, if you try this situation on reality. Either Clay's just a fucking psycho with no sense of self-preservation, or he's got balls of steel. And a heart of gold :DDD
Justin, who started shooting up again, is more than predictable, I don't understand why everyone was waiting for something else. He's a fucking heroin addict, did you really think it would be enough to lock him up at home for 3 days without a dose and then everything would be cool? Yeah, right now. I'm surprised he didn't run off to let me walk through the vein back when Clay brought him into the house and left him unattended, or when Tony took him outside. I was sure that he would escape 100% when he went to the bathroom, but no.
Jessica and Justin - I don't even want to comment, it's disgusting to Alex. What the fuck are you doing? If you haven't figured yourself out, then you don't have to promise something to one person and then sleep with another.
1) 11 reasons why not. They seem to have sucked the topic out of their fingers, but it is intriguing
2) Chloe's pregnancy
3) of course, Tyler
4) the issue with Bryce's gang. That's what I think should have been closed this season. Because it feels like they're dragging it out to the last
5) who will Jessica be there with?
6) Justin's addiction
IMHO, Hannah acted like a pig with Clay in the first season, forcing him to listen to these tapes - she specifically spoiled his psyche, which is especially noticeable in the second season. But I attributed it to the fact that she didn't really understand his condition and his attitude towards her, that is, she couldn't know how the tapes would affect him. But then we pause the list and read about Clay, "He'll blame himself for everything, even though that's not really the case." I mean, she knew everything perfectly well, but that didn't stop her from fucking him in the brain with tapes.
Tyler... this is a PPC. I still thought Montgomery wasn't just a dumb athlete, but it turns out life doesn't teach him... definitely the most terrifying scene of the season, like in the first one, is Hannah's suicide and the hot tub... and when they showed how he collects pistols, how he rides, I was wildly impressed...
Clay is my personal superhero! How much courage and determination the guy has! That's right, Zach said, "you're not a coward." That's who girls really have to flatter in their underpants.... but as life shows, give us stupid heartless popular athletes. 🤦🏻♀️
Jasper is the love of the season! And although such a drastic change in the character is very illogical, let's remember for a moment: it was he who in the first season suggested killing Clay in general so that he would not talk about the tapes.
Yes, it's not entirely logical and there are a lot of holes, but I forgive him for what a bunny he has become... It makes my heart bleed and it's their twinning with Clay. What if I ship Justin and Clay now? 🙈Is this going to be considered incest now? 😂
But it's a pity, of course, that he still continues to inject, I thought until the last moment that he would throw away the syringe when he saw himself as a little boy. 😭😭😭
And damn, everyone's judging Jessica, and yes, it was dumb, but I get it.... You can have feelings for two people at once... The situation is terrible, of course, and I can't imagine what will happen to Alex when he finds out, but I don't even know who she'll be better off with. 🤷🏻♀️
Zach.... I really like him in the first season, here they showed even more that he is a coward.. But as mentioned earlier, he has a kind heart and damn, again, it was a little illogical, but the line with Hannah - I was waiting for her and I'm glad, because Hannah went through at least such a relationship (as for me, they gave her more joy than suffering). And if it's not Clay, at least Zach is the second best option for her!
And if Jess does end up with Jasper, I suggest Alex leave Zach out of I'm shipping now too (this series is going to kill me)
I want season 3 and I'll wait!
I hope the logic in the screenwriter will be added at least a little bit! That's the only request.
Although no, if there's another one, well, give Clay a release from virginity already, though I can't even imagine who he might be with now.
Shari would be the most logical option.
I don't want to comment on Jessica and her actions. In the last few minutes, the scriptwriters just took and poured the whole character down the toilet.
I felt terribly sorry for Tyler in the bathroom. Montgomery is a fucking crazy bastard.
And I won't say that I'm thrilled with this season, but it has a right to exist. Unlike the 3rd one, which will be neither rural nor urban, I'm sure.
I watched the first season with gusto and the story itself is interesting and makes you think. It's not about him right now.
The second season shocked me. The characters were revealed more deeply, and social problems among teenagers were shown..which is extremely important now. Bryce's "punishment" is really funny for what he did, but in most cases that's how it happens in life - money and status decide a lot. Such people never think that they have done something terrible, which is very sad.
It's a pity for Justin, he's not a stupid guy, but he's mired in drug addiction. It is unlikely that he will get off the needle...He's just wasting his chance at a normal life.
Montgomery's act is beyond words. How do such people live with it? Although, of course, they don't even think about it.
I don't know...will they be able to surprise you with the plot in the third season? I was doubtful about the second one, but it turned out the opposite :)
Justin with a dose, after life finally started to get better.
Jessica, who came to the ball with sunny Alex, and then gave herself to her ex-boyfriend.
Bryce, who gets away with everything.
Zach, who opened up to me from a completely different angle (and I'm not talking about their "relationship with Hannah" right now)
Hugging Clay in the gym when he was in so much pain.
And, of course, Tyler. I've never been interested in this character, but that scene in the bathroom has been on my mind for twenty-four hours.
It just really hurts.
I'm glad that Clay has such supportive friends who all came out to him with a song.
And Justin is a fool and deserves better.
I am very happy for Jessica, despite the fact that Bryce did not get what he deserved, she was still able to overcome at least part of her pain and tell the world. I'm glad that Hannah's mom has found the strength to live and move on. For me personally, this season, more than the first, reveals the idea that you need to think about how your actions will affect other people, your family, friends, and enemies. And it's not even about reasons why or reasons why not, but about the fact that there is something else besides your pain.
As far as I'm concerned, this season should have ended at about 40 minutes into episode 13, when Justin said he seemed happy. That's all. And no more drugs, no more mistakes, no more joking, no more humiliation. Just let everyone finally be able to live their lives, because this story will be with them forever.
It's a pity that they extended it for a third one, I'm not sure if this is what the series needs.
In 1, Jessica did not merge, but on the contrary recognized and discovered in herself that despite everything, her body can still feel and still loves Justin (do you think she would yell at someone to whom she is indifferent? She didn't yell at Bryce, but despised him and was afraid of him, if she felt the same way about Justin, we would have seen). And that's okay, we don't always, especially not at this age, can control who we're attracted to, and even if someone is "not good for us" and didn't act well with us. And we are not always turned on and can regain sensuality by someone who cares about us, otherwise it would be easier for victims of rape, especially domestic and permanent ones. Justin is already using kmk not heroin but oxy, and because he doesn't know how else, because he thought that he had lost Jess and lost everything again (His best friend, the girl of his dreams, and justice, I think an adult would have come to the bottle here, not like an unstable and not particularly strong-backed teenager with a difficult fate and a genetic predisposition (children of alcoholics and drug addicts are more attracted to drugs, not only for psychological reasons (source 23andme)). But Bryce looks like he's ready to start improving, really, not for his parents, maybe for Chloe, maybe just like that. He sent a broken friend, tried to make peace with Justin, goes to another school, and maybe next season it will turn out that he will help our heroes and will not be "bad" because in the real world, not everything is always so clear. In the end, Bryce is a rapist, but there are probably reasons for this, such as emotionally unavailable parents, loneliness, and the fact that those girls he really felt something for didn't feel anything like that for him. And I also think he saw enough of this behavior from senior athletes, and "grew up" with the feeling that it was "acceptable," and perhaps it was the only way to "get love."
We've been watching a broken Jess all season, and I've felt sorry for her, thinking at what point will she suddenly realize that she still loves Justin no matter what...and so she made it clear that the feelings are alive..at the ball..Where I went with Alex..in the locker room..We kissed, and now our rape victim is untying her belt, opening her dress and sitting on Justin's lap...the moment is omitted, of course, and it is not clear if they had closer contact..but the whole moment froze me out..like a bitch, I thought, damn it, what the fuck, zaaaaaay, the seed for next season and Jess's throwing, oh, and when everyone finds out that Justin didn't quit, how much drama. I feel sorry for Alex.
As for the situation with Bryce, I have an ambiguous impression, on the one hand, it's clear where the legs grow with this attitude, on the other hand, the guy needs help, and not to another school, where everything is likely to happen again. And the fact is, if you're the son of the rich, they'll probably let you down for raping girls, or it's not a fact that this will even go to trial, mm, buzz. Some kind of blind obedience from the other guys on the team even scared Bryce a little, or rather, even when it turned out that Montgomery was trying to intimidate everyone, whoa..what the hell, but this is another boy from a troubled family, whom Bryce helped and he is immensely grateful to him. fiu
And I feel sorry for Chloe too, she needs to run away from this guy, and here
And the whole Tyler situation...fuck, I understood that he would be the shooter I saw the information about, that this topic would come up at all, but in the last episode he came after rehabilitation, it is noticeable that he somehow looks better..And the whole bathroom scene...Fuck, he didn't deserve this..after that, it's not surprising that he wanted to fucking shoot them all..I feel sorry for him like no one else
And I'm very happy for Olivia, she's finally not resigned, but it's clear that she's relieved, she's accepted it and is moving on, happy for her.
I don't know if there will be a new season, but if so, it's better not to..Tyler didn't cross the line, and Jess and Justin and Alex's latest showdown, oh, well, it's not a thrill..and there's nothing related to Hannah anymore, and the series was originally about her.
THIS SCENE IS TOO CRUEL FOR MY PSYCHE.
I really thought it would end with shooting.
As it is, I agree with everything.
I gave the first season of the series a C, and yet, I knew, I knew for sure that I would watch the second one - and I was waiting for it.
It turned out to be somewhat similar to the first one - also not perfect, also annoying in places, also ambiguous - and also very, very important.
A lot of nonsense and stupidity: Clay's unexplained schizophrenia; his endless blindness to everything except Hannah; an unexpected piano in the bushes named after Zach; Tony, who suddenly turned from an angel of justice into some kind of aggressive coward - and many, many other things - all this clung and scratched for a short time, but eventually the bill didn't matter at all.
The meaning was different.
The pain, the shame, and the hope for justice for Hannah's parents.
Clay's awkward and painful attempts to do everything right.
Skye's desire to love Clay is both her absolute inability to love herself (and her joy at finally nurturing him).
Zack's growing up, and his courage (courage!) trying to do at least something - to help at least someone - when you don't find the strength to help everyone. He's bad and weak in places, but he's kind. And that won out in him. And this is important.
The important thing is that Alex survived-survived, and continued to fight-through despair, shame, and pain.
The important thing is that Jessica-frightened, Jessica hiding from herself-did not choose death, did not choose defeat. She chose life - mistakes, attempts, stupidities, smiles and Life.
The important thing is that Justin has found a real family for the first time in his life - perhaps this Family can save him.
Important are Ryan, who has become wiser, Courtney, who has become more sensitive to herself and others - important is Mr. Porter, who realized how much a simple indifference to another person's pain can change.
Tyler is important. Oh, poor, poor Tyler-neither your past transgressions nor your freakishness could be enough reasons to do this to you-nothing could. There are no excuses, only horror and pain. And endless hope. Hope that you can still be helped.
That's probably what this series is about for me, and that's why I'm looking forward to the third season.
People are important! Their thoughts, their feelings, their fears, their stories are important - their hopes and dreams, their mistakes.
No one is perfect, no one is capable of being exactly what you want - even the dead can disappoint you, even your loved ones - especially them! - they can hurt.
And there are no buts. People can be monsters, and life is painful, scary, and lonely.
But you can have friends. Family. Loved ones. Books, movies, and music. Shared jokes, cozy evenings, shared discoveries and dreams, disappointments, quarrels - and reconciliations.
Life.
You can also help someone. To hear someone's cry for help, albeit a silent one. To give a hand, to support, to save.
Just to be around.
And it's worth it.
Monsters and monstrous events, ridiculous accidents and other people's indifference can create any list of "reasons why" - but it's up to you to decide what the list of "why not" will consist of and how long it will be. It's up to you to decide.
I'm looking forward to the third season, and I hope that people will be at least a little kinder.
It was so hard listening to Clay and his speech at the wake, and this is just the beginning. When the dj took out the record, I immediately thought about the song The Night We Met, this moment was so strong, they were all with him in the center, such a heartbreaking sight. I couldn't stop crying.
What happened to Tyler is a shock, I have no words.
Hannah's mother finally changed her mind and moved on. After giving Clay a list of reasons, I paused several times to re-read, only two or three reasons were missing, and there would have been a completely different ending to this story.
I don't understand Jessica's action, why was it necessary?
I'm happy for Justin that he has a good family now, but.. shoot yourself again, and even in the leg, so that no one notices. I hoped so much that he would change his mind for the sake of a new family, Clay and himself.
It's a tough season. Especially some moments.
to be honest, I, like many, was skeptical that the series was renewed, and I didn't really see any need for it. Was a second season needed? Now I'm sure that it is. It was he who helped to reveal the characters, to show them from a different perspective, not through Hannah's eyes. Of course, you can continue to blame the girl's parents or the characters from the tapes, but they all (with the exception of Bryce) deserve better.
Many of us have to face difficulties in our lives, and for this reason it is necessary to have people who can support you and prove that you are not alone. if the creators of the series tried to convey this idea to the audience, they did a brilliant job with it.
It's possible that I'm still deeply impressed by the final scenes, but this just proves that the season has caught on and proved its right to exist.
the pathos in the voiceover was annoying.The heartbreaking scene with Tyler was terrifying, I don't understand why it was necessary. why did the scriptwriters cut off his istria so much, first making him worry about it, and then wondering how he would live on, and whether he would end up like Hannah... The worst part is that the main bastards went unpunished, and it just pisses me off.
Justin, having barely begun to arouse sympathy, disappointed. Why he went back to drugs is not too clear.
Jess is stepping on the same rake again, I didn't expect her to. The situation with the love triangle is worthless.
Did you miss the reason why Jess's friend burned the photos?Didn't want any more hype?
In conclusion, I would like to note that the season turned out to be much weaker than the first one. The painstaking nature of some of the script moves was amazing, and some of the illogic of the characters' actions was sometimes very striking. Especially in the last episode, I was surprised by Hannah's list-I don't know what to think, it seems to me that he crosses out all the reasons from the tapes at once. And Clay's constantly mentioned love for the season finale is already getting pretty tired. It was as if they were trying to tell us something that wasn't really that important. And again, what about Zach? Didn't he love her? They were pretty serious about that episode-they didn't really show his feelings anymore.
Yes, the topics raised in this series are important, but it would be better to limit ourselves to one season. And if they took off the second one, then why not punish Bryce? And give everyone else a second chance at a new life.
Shooting is a tragedy. Everyone falls under the distribution - both bullies and the innocent. And you can't even kill such fools as the athletes are shown to be. Because shooting everyone is not an option.
Well, even if it is extended for the 3rd season, it is already clear what it will be related to.
To adopt Justin. My God, what is this? In the last episode, did you decide to make me cry ALL my tears in a year? Justin is the kind of person who needs a family. When he sat with Clay's parents and watched TV, it was clear that this was exactly what he missed.. I'm trembling all over as I write, how glad I am that they are willing to do this for him, despite his situation. I hope he gets over his addiction to drugs. Considering how Clay is taking care of him now (really, like a brother), I think they can handle everything together.
I hoped that Jess and Alex would succeed. The two crippled souls were about to finally find peace and heal. But you have to step on a rake with Justin.. I shouldn't have expected it from her.
Damn.. Poor, poor Tyler. These fools have already lost their minds, I have no words for what kind of animals one must be to stoop to this, whatever he does. If there is a next season, it seems that he will really shoot them. After all, the line with the shooting was started for something. But what a reincarnation of a hero, damn it! He is now completely cold-blooded and does not understand the value of human life. But I'm glad they stopped him and he didn't. But what's going to happen to Clay now?
I was so happy to see them dancing and carefree while dancing, I really want them all to let go as soon as possible and they started to live.
The Night We Met. It's a common pain. (Can you tell me why everyone approached Clay on this particular song? Was she related to Hannah? I missed this moment.)
Chloe. Wow, they'll blow up this line for season 3.
This episode was the best of the season. But it felt like they'd just shoved EVERYTHING they could into it. The topic of a shootout, pregnancy, infidelity, and more. It could have been stretched.
Season 2 was better than the first, because the flashbacks played out very well and revealed the characters. Thank you.
I take it this is because of the weapon in Clay's hand and it can't be attributed to Tyler?
Why couldn't it have been discarded by erasing the prints? Put him in the car with Tyler?
Clay will suffer again for no one knows why, right?
You're there, just stay close to him, you assholes.
Here they directly raised the painful topic of when and why teenagers shoot their classmates and teachers.
My favorites: Zack and Tony. I couldn't get enough of them.
And Zack had the coolest story. Sweet, gentle and romantic. However, he messed up a bit in the end.
, but by the way, I enjoyed the season.
Now Clay's going to jail in season 3, and I'm going to yell at him. It should have ended in a different way. For example, at a party when everyone hugged or after a moment in church, but not like that.
Overall, the season is not bad. It's a shame Bryce got away with it.
And I'm very happy for Justin, I hope he gets off drugs.
If the first raised questions about the causes of suicide and the consequences of bullying, the second talks about violence and acceptance of problems. The third season will probably focus on guns and school shootings, so I didn't really appreciate the ending of the season. Yes, it's cruel to do this to Tyler, making a shooter out of him, but he's been led to this since the end of the first season. So I was expecting something like a cliffhanger in which he drives up to the school with a gun, a black screen and the sound of a gunshot in silence.
Actually, it felt like it was a plot for the second season, but because of the reaction to the first one, the plans were changed. I don't know how or when the script was written, but the plot holes that have appeared are upsetting. Especially in the case of Zach. Well, why did they write them a relationship for the summer, what's the point? This completely wiped out one of Hannah's tapes.
I didn't expect such a twist from Jessica with Justin, but, in principle, you can understand why she did it. Her problems started with him, in a way, and she let them go, the circle closed, and she could move on. It's a bit far-fetched, but it was necessary to make some sense of this act, otherwise why would we have been shown character development all season?
Sky was also not very clear why, her presence or absence did not affect the plot in any way.
Bryce is demonized by everyone, but I see in him the result of permissiveness, confidence in his own invulnerability, narcissism and, to some extent, sociopathy. None of this justifies his actions, but scenes like the conversation with Chloe in the library show that he is also a human being and cannot be represented as absolute evil. I like it when a character is portrayed from different angles, it makes him more real.
The dancing scene is strong.
The trial is strange, and the jury's decision pleased me. In my opinion, the school is no more to blame than the parents.
Clay still can't come to terms with himself, but he's interesting as a hero, a fighter for justice who doesn't always understand the consequences of his decisions.
Overall, it turned out well, but it could have been better. I will be waiting for the third season, I hope that the story with Hannah will finally be finished (although the actress is nice) and they will develop another topic and raise serious questions.
Jessica is tough. How is it possible, there is a normal caring one, no she went to fuck with Justin. Justin is also tough, they gave him a house, food, family, clothes, but no, we won't stop doing heroin. Surprisingly, everything that was happening even took a back seat to the fact that Bryce didn't sit down and calmly showed up at the disco.
It's a horror that weapons can be so freely obtained, including by minors.
I don't know, it's a very controversial feeling from the last episode, BUT I think the show is cool because it's realistic. Life is not a fairy tale where everything ends in a happy ending
a) Rapists very often go unpunished, especially those like the spoiled rich Bryces
b) Justin, my heart really aches for this puppy. and I really believed that he wouldn't shoot himself when he saw his little self, but damn, this is life, only a few people manage to get off drugs, because addiction is a serious thing, and I have a little hope in my soul that he will still be able to overcome
it, and on the scene of their conversation with Clay, I cried together. with him. It's so cool that they didn't let him go to an orphanage. much
c) Jessica, because of whom I cried all season, but now I am immensely glad for her that she overcame her fear of talking about the problem, and not running away from it.
and her actions with Justin are not clear to many, including me, but damn, I like them (((:
g) Alex. To be honest, I'm a little disappointed with his line. I think we still haven't paid enough attention to his problem. It's like he shot and now he's trying to move on with his life. I would like to see more of his story revealed next season
. e) Tyler. we've already written everything above, but I'll just add that it's fucked up, I haven't experienced such a tremor in a long time. the unpleasant feeling will remain for a long
time, but still, I think, in the real world, these words of Glue are “I don't want you to die" and so on. the shooter would hardly have been stopped, BUT given the situation in the states, the scriptwriters did it for a reason, but in order to show that guns and murder are not an option. and that's right. and I don't fully understand those dudes who write that they're upset by the ending. Like, damn, guys, Tyler wouldn't figure it out, he'd shoot everyone (absolutely innocent teenagers). This scene with their conversation may be a bit silly, but it's better than the deaths of dozens/hundreds of innocents.
judging by the comments, the majority understood the main essence of many problems, and that's cool. It makes me feel good
I cried, like probably many people, at the moment of their hugs to the song. And yes, Hannah brought pain and suffering to many with her act, but she also brought all these cool, slightly broken, kind guys together.
And, it seems, for the first time I understood why girls are not afraid of Bryce. He's surprisingly good-natured. A serial rapist, of course, and given that it excites him, he will continue to rape - sex is a very strong motivator. But due to the fact that there is no cruelty or malice in him at all (he does not kick cats and dogs, for example, although there are no animals in the series at all, it is strange), the girls do not feel danger next to him. That's one of the reasons Chloe hasn't left him yet.
The second is obviously the loyalty of Chloe herself. Bryce even mentioned her.
Parents should send their son to specialists, but from the very beginning it is obvious that they are interested in him insofar as.
1\5
I can't compare the two seasons, they are completely different. The scriptwriters went from the particular to the general - from the story of one girl to a group of broken destinies, everyone has their own burden on their soul after that, their own sin and what they will have to live with next. Everyone is guilty of something, even if they yelled at Tyler once, or didn't pay attention in time, or didn't paint over the inscription in the toilet. There were so many acute problems raised here that the series personally did not come to me in one breath, each episode was difficult. There was no bullying or rape in my school, but there was teenage sex, one pregnancy, there was a lesbian (who was not ashamed to admit to everyone), there were unhappy families, and everyone had billions of problems with their parents. But remembering that time, I realize that through one handshake, almost every one of the topics raised in the series can be heard. And for the fact that this is not hushed up, but so sharply escalated, thank you to the scriptwriters.
To be honest, I'm afraid to imagine what awaits us next season. But Hannah will be gone, the actress confirmed.
And in an atmosphere of general harassment and concealment, indifference and impunity, unstable individuals are blown away, and then a chain reaction, because again, teenagers are in the foreground.
The musical accompaniment is very much in the theme
unfortunately, the series is very believable, and rich sons are rarely punished.
, Yes, the consequences, yes they repent, yes they change, but it was soooo long, soooo tedious.
I don't even know if it's appropriate to say that I liked the reference to "Zero Day": — Go home, Clay.
Hard impressions from the series.
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The motto of this series is "God is just, but the court is not"
The episode is perhaps the best of the entire season, and as for the season itself, it showed more of the imperfection of America's judicial system than the problems of schoolchildren - they were revealed in the first season. The second one was much inferior to the first one, both in design and, perhaps, in execution.
They've squeezed everything out of this series, even a lot more than they need to, I can't imagine what they can film for another season (how many are they going to make?
13? to make it beautiful?). In any case, I don't see any logical continuation of the plot.
No, it was too hard to watch, it was terrible. I just sat there, covering my mouth with my hands and my eyes for five kopecks, and I wanted to strangle these freaks. It is sad that such "stars" of schools are forgiven for their permissiveness.
No matter how much Tyler has been straining this whole season, it was so sad for him in this episode, it was so painful to watch him suffer.
The series itself is very emotional.
But the way Clay teaches Justin how to tie a tie for the second episode in a row is hilarious :)
'The Night We Met' brought tears to my eyes at the end.
And yet, I don't understand at all how anyone can have compassion for Tyler. Of course, what was done to him in the bathroom was terrible, and these idiots are worse than anyone at school. But Tyler himself has problems in his head, and wild ones at that. It was never pleasant to watch him from the sidelines in the series, he repels everything, starting with his appearance (and how he looked at himself in the mirror before he left brrrr), ending with his lies, thoughts, any illogical actions. They should be sent straight to a mental hospital, one day he's normal, the next he'll kill his wife because of a change in mood.
It was also frustrating that the scriptwriters were either afraid, or simply could not reveal the topic of schoolshooting, although it was clearly brewing from the very first shots of Tyler with a gun in his hands. And I really wanted to see it, eh.
The third season, it seems, will be boring shit, designed for very young viewers, because the story with Hannah was finished back in the first season.
Jessica says, "Yes, we're dating."
And the next day, almost in front of Alex's eyes, just letting go of his embrace, he goes to the back room and fucks hard with Justin.
What?
Everyone in this school is guilty one way or another.
And I'm really sorry that Tyler didn't do what he planned.
Especially after what was done to him.
The genocide of this entire school, along with the administration, would be very welcome.
We witnessed the incredibly lyrical beginning of the episode: Clay's heartbreaking farewell speech to Hannah, warm conversations at the wake (or whatever the Catholics call it), a rainbow leaf in the reasons "why not." But the viewer will certainly get a cold shower after this church oil.
We saw the brutal scene of Tyler's rape, which forced him to reach into an old drawer and get a machine gun. Here we see a strongly expressed thesis that violence begets violence. It all ended really vegetarianly, which is why the series slightly under-scored for drama. But in an era when gunshots are heard in schools all over the world, it was impossible to count on a shootout in this show.
I was pleased that the scriptwriters did not round out the lines of the main characters, but added "imperfections" to them: Jessica, having gone Dancing with Alex, fucks in the locker room with Justin. He, in turn, gets a chance for a happy foster life and does not hesitate to expand in his new room. Chloe complains about her pregnancy in a panic, fate did not spare the silly girl.
We have a weak foundation for the third season. The scriptwriters should already be desperately poring over new episodes, as the potential of Hannah's story has finally been squeezed out. And it's already a shame to shoot a standard teen drama today.
I liked the series, I sincerely empathized with the characters, but if the first season was somehow connected with Hannah, then the second was drawn out, I'm afraid to imagine what will happen in the third. It is better to end the series and force the viewer to figure out the end himself than to suck it out of his finger. The second season was certainly memorable for the fact that the chain of events went smoothly and you understood that there is no smoke without fire, but I still don't know what to expect in the third season, and it's scary.
It seems to me that the images of the bad guys are too exaggerated. Of course, there are some bullies in every school. But to have a crowd of not just bullies in one school, but people who are ready to commit a real criminal offense like beating, maiming, raping someone. It's really better to shoot them right away
Although such a case is not even a problem, especially for a virgin.
Do you want Tyler to tell his parents, the authorities, and subsequently the whole world that there was something in his anus, seriously?
Do you think that everyone will say that the people who did this are animals and deserve to be imprisoned?
But that's not how it works in troubled schools. Tyler has been bullied before, and after filing a lawsuit, his life will become so unbearable that it will be difficult to call it life. People will say and do nasty things surreptitiously at school, but the Internet will be the worst, because it is the most favorable environment for bullying. And the Internet is very important for a photographer.
Practically no one in Tyler's place would say anything about it because of shame and fear of condemnation from society.
Of course, there's nothing to condemn Tyler for, but this is a society. It's like that.
I really, really enjoyed this season, much more than the first one, I didn't even expect it. And I hoped it would end on a positive, life-affirming note. NOT THIS ONE. I'm angry. It's a pity that the creators don't have a sense of proportion and the groundwork for the new season turned out to be more important. I already feel like I'm going to be disappointed with the third season. It seems to me that after the second one it would be logical to finish, rather than continue to drag something out.
And now about the series as a whole.
When I saw the title and heard out of the corner of my ear what this series was about, I realized that I would not watch it. But she started. I didn't like the first 5 or 6 episodes at all, I continued to be skeptical about the series. but! Then I got hooked. I was dazzled by the incredible acting: everyone, absolutely everyone, got into the role 100%.
I liked that cruelty and injustice were shown as they really are, without sparing the viewer.
The glue is great. He changed a lot in the second season, and for the better. His actions and his thoughts speak for themselves: he is the most mature of ALL the characters.
I cried with the characters, I cried over the difficult scenes. The actors, the cameraman, the screenwriter made me cry.
By the way, I liked the second season better than the first. Despite the fact that it had more blunders or plot holes (Hannah and Zach, for example), the second season is more tragic, as for me.
Hannah dying in the bathtub and Tyler in the toilet are the two MOST terrifying scenes of the series. Although I was just as scared of Jessica and Bryce on stage.
In this series, they are not afraid to talk about problems that are often kept silent about. This series teaches you how to fix mistakes. This series teaches us to be human.
And the latter is generally outrageously strange. Now, experiencing all the hardships of rape, I would like to come to the ball (where, as always, the rapist hangs out) with one ex and sleep with another. That's how rape is devalued, I've been empathizing with her all season, and then just goodbye.
By and large, I join the "season in vain" camp, because the characters' stories were very much screwed up, making them illogical and, in some places, stupid.
I am very happy for Jessica and Justin. I've always been for them. And when the song Back to you started playing, everything immediately became clear. I won't even comment here. I think everyone knows who Selena Gomez dedicated it to and what the lyrics are. I think it's about Jessica and Justin.
I cried at the moment when Clay gave a speech at the funeral. I cried when Clay told Justin that they wanted to welcome him into their family. I cried when everyone started comforting Clay at the dance because of his song with Hannah.
I was surprised that Bryce was given 3 months of detention. This is simply unthinkable!!!! What needs to be done to get him sent to prison??? Isn't that enough???? I was just shocked by it.
In general, the last episode is the most emotional. As it is, I'm happy for the rest of the guys. They seemed to be smiling, laughing, and for a while they were really happy.
I don't know if I'm happy with the premise for season 3. There doesn't seem to be anything else to shoot. I should have finished at 2. But shooting a season about Tyler or what they were planning, well, I don't know, somehow it doesn't pull anymore.
I paused the Tyler beating scene. I can't, I need to cry myself out and have a smoke. To me, a fan of the bloodiest thrillers. To me, a man who endures the sight of blood.
Child cruelty is the most disgusting, the most cruel (forgive the tautology). Children and teenagers are not yet aware of the seriousness of their actions, they are driven by hormones, resentment, and dislike. It's terrible that all this goes unpunished.
I'm 27, but I give the series the highest rating. There was some snot that the scriptwriters chewed on for a long time, but in general, the series is about all of us and our future children. Everyone has experienced violence, bullying, one kind or another harassment, we just weren't taught that it was bad. No one explained to us that this would break us in the future, that we would not fully open up, because all our lives we would seek approval from those who are older, and we would try to be our own among our peers. Even at the cost of your own comfort and happiness.
Please take seriously even the most ridiculous insults of your children. It's a different soul, vulnerable, fragile. And maybe right now someone is encouraging your son to "take" a beautiful girl in his class. Communicate with children, teach them to be responsible for their actions, and not to sit on your neck!
I liked the disclosure of the characters, the fact that they showed the story from different sides, showed how unfair the system is and how easily children can be broken.
Many people may also find it strange, but I liked Tyler's story this season, how he first finds friends, opens up, then loses them, then things happen to him and he decides to take revenge. In principle, I like stories about school shooters, their psychological trauma and what contributes to their actions.
It's also funny that Tyler decided to shoot on April 20, such a reference to Columbine (:
I wonder what will happen in season 3
I liked the scene with the fight in the hallway of the school, how Alex stood up and helped Zach.
It was great when Clay's family decided to adopt Justin, but he ruins everything with drugs, I hope he can handle it.
I don't understand Jessica's actions at all.. how is it?
And for me, the topic of the "club" is a little unclear, only Bryce raped girls or other guys, it didn't cover why such a positive guy like Zach was invited to the "club", and Justin didn't know about him, being Bryce's best friend, it's strange.
And they were impressed by the statements of the girls and women in court, because indeed many women were affected by such a disaster (
The scene with Tyler in the bathroom is amazing! I was already ready that he would shoot someone after all.
Justin's brazen whitewashing has been striking all season, but this moment is the most egregious.
I'm confused about Jessica, to be honest. She seems to love both of them, but until that moment she hadn't let anyone get close to her. And here I was practically making love to Justin. I'm not saying if he's a good candidate or a bad one, because everyone has their own disadvantages and advantages. But I hope that neither Justin nor Alex will be affected by the relationship if they are rejected. I don't want one or the other to hurt themselves.
I hope that Bryce will be able to improve when he goes to another school. Still, I want him to realize his mistake. And at least for Chloe's sake, he got better. I think she deserves it. Of course, Chloe could have left him, and I think everyone would have understood that, even Bryce himself, but Chloe is still loyal, despite the absurdity of continuing the relationship after the appearance of polaroid. The main thing is that everything goes well for them in the future, and the family turns out to be strong and good.
Tyler is both sorry and not. Yes, he was beaten up, but he had just gone to the rescue. His body has just started to rebuild for the better, and there is such stress. But how can you get to the point where you go shoot your classmates/friends? There have been hints of this all season, but I'm afraid for him. After all, his life is almost over: many people can guess this at school, and that's where teenagers spend most of their time.
Initially, I wasn't particularly positive about this season. After all, the book is over, why suck the script out of your finger? But the season paid off, it helped complement the previous one and make Hannah more alive. It's nice that everyone was finally able to let her go, even if she did a bad thing, but she was a wonderful person, and nothing can take away her wonderful qualities.
The second season is how the listeners saw Hannah.
The third season;
p/s how annoying Jessica is, in one episode she just met a guy and already sucks with him, in this one she goes dancing and sucks with Alex, then she comes and fucks with Justin, what the fuck is wrong with her?
1. I think they'll tell you where Justin's mom has gone, and her drug-addicted boyfriend will probably try to do something to Justin.
2. I burst into tears at the moment when Clay's family decided to adopt Justin. To be honest, I was hoping for this for the last 5 episodes. And I hope that this will happen in season 3.
3. I want damn Bryce to get what he deserves! Why do those who have a lot of money get away with everything, why do his parents pretend that nothing happened, why does permissiveness always result in such shit?!?!
4. Tyler and Monty. Why is there so much evil in this damn Monty? The scene was so horrific and disgusting that I covered my mouth with Tyler to keep from screaming. I understand that Monty has family problems and is beaten by his father, but this does not mean that you need to take out your anger on others in this way. If Tyler had shot him, I wouldn't have felt sorry for him.
5. Clay. It's been weird all season that he's been talking to glitches. And it was predictable that Hannah the glitch would leave at the end, when he had done everything, to meet the light. And stop being dumb, standing with a gun to the sound of sirens! Erase your prints and run!!!
In general, I'm waiting for season 3, but I don't have much hope for it. I'm interested in finding out how the characters' lives will turn out next, and I really hope that they won't trash Hannah and suck her out of their fingers based on the "Why not" reasons
I've been less emotional lately, and I'm rarely surprised by anything. But the moment with Tyler in the bathroom was brutal.
I would like to see a couple more seasons of this series, because the characters are wonderful, I want to learn more and more about them, and I can come up with a bunch more events, but the main thing is that the series does not slide and turn into complete nonsense, as it happens with many other series. In general, it would be ideal to finish 13 episodes for season 1, and make season 2 as a spin-off, which will no longer be about Hannah, but about her friends and enemies.
I'm looking forward to season 3 and hope it will be as interesting as the previous ones :)
And yet, I probably agree with many that I sympathized with Jessica all season, but in this episode her character was a little disappointed, as was Justin (because he didn't get off the needle after all).
But in general, the season turned out to be quite good. Now we are waiting for what will happen next!
It is important to note that I am now purely indignant about the storyline without a climax, and not encouraging anything.
I'm roaring like a beast. It's a very emotional episode and the season is out.
Terrible scene with Tyler. I didn't expect this.
And I was disappointed in Jessica. I don't even think it's necessary to explain.
I was very happy for Tony. At least someone is doing more or less well, and if he took Tyler away, I hope nothing bad will end.
And I didn't really understand Nina's actions, why it was necessary to take this box, yes, these are all the stories of those girls, but if they are not told, there will be even more stories. Very sorry.
The ending caused very strange emotions.
The characters are all super-cool, so ordinary, but everyone has their own story. If the first season aroused maximum interest because of Hannah's line, then the second revealed all the other characters, and also crossed out half of the first season.
Emotions sometimes got so intense that I just abruptly paused the series to calm down and think about it. Which is worth one scene when Justin walks into the dining room and Jess sees him) or when he throws himself at Bryce in the hallway in the penultimate episode.
Hopefully, the third season won't ruin the series, as Hannah won't be in it anymore. Let's see:)
I'm looking forward to the third season. I'm sure it will be no less vivid and dramatic than the first two. Moreover, for me, the second season is definitely cooler than the first, and there are enough broken threads for more than one season... after all, you want, in the end, happiness for all the characters.
Even for Bryce, yes... Despite what he is like, he also wants happiness. Of course, he has to suffer it, but still.
I shed a tear when Clay offered Justin custody from their family, it was so touching.
Clay - I feel sorry for him the most, he was even more emotional this season, which was good.
Infuriated by Jess's cheating, but seriously.
I'll watch the third season and 1-2 episodes when they come out, but I'm more likely to quit.
How stupid Clay got at the end of the episode when he took the gun away from Tyler, put him in the car, and he stayed with it in his hands. I really hope that Clay will be fine, especially since he has witnesses in the form of Jessica and Justin. However, something tells me that Clay might take all the blame on himself because he was worried about Tyler.
I think he won't want to talk about Tyler, Clay seemed to genuinely want to help him, and most likely they won't pat Tyler on the head for such an attempt either.
https://youtu.be/Pws-LN_-riM
s. damn, just a couple of hours ago the trailer appeared, I thought I'd be the first to throw off the link
.s.s. when everyone was standing in front of the grave, I stopped and began to predict who might to render in it....I should have watched the trailer to the end first...
https://meduza.io/news/2019/07/16/netflix-udalil-stsenu-samoubiystva-iz-pervogo-sezona-seriala-13-prichin-pochemu-cherez-dva-goda-posle-ego-vyhoda
―Bryce.
Just to the point of trembling
Creepy and scary
P.S. the scene in court with the women is amazing and there were a lot of amazing moments, like Clay and Justin talking in a cafe, cute and awkward, and the band dancing at the end. A lot of good things. This series has turned over everything in me that it could, but it is necessary, it is necessary that people understand, so that they do not make the same mistakes, so that they try to help others, so that they do not generate the same cruelty. Please remember that violence begets violence. The world is cruel to all of us, but there is so much beauty in it, be kind so that there are no such Hannah Baker and Tyler, Bryce and Montgomery. It is YOU who can become a support for someone, become another reason to live!
I wanted it so badly to abruptly become something like "I spit on your graves," and Tyler killed Monty by shoving a shotgun up his ass and then shooting him. But alas, this is a series about violence begetting violence...
I know I'm cruel, but damn the emotions!!!!
I really wanted Tyler to shoot his abusers. It's been a painfully impressive season. This series turned my whole mind upside down, because I almost became suicidal myself. Season 1 was easy, season 2 revealed the characters more. Now you see the story from several sides.
The scene with the women in court touched me to the core. No one should tolerate violence, because it's a nightmare. Violence begets Violence.
At the same time, the creators should understand that for the most part, despite all their disclaimers, their show is watched mainly by teenagers. How can you release 10 episodes and insert it by the end of the season: it is intended for a mature viewer. Of course, now everything will be turned off like that on the last episodes. It looks like something...as long as it counts.
I hate Cyrus and his company and the fact that they're with Clay and his friends all the time now. I don't want to watch them, I don't want them to be part of the story.
The scene of Jessica and Justin is not outraged because of infidelity, but it was clearly visible throughout the season, from Jessica's behavior, that her feelings for Justin have not gone away. But the first sex of a victim after a rape is an event, it's a huge effort for two people, it's the highest level of trust and willingness to take risks, it's difficult, it hurts, even if you want to, and not just like that: a school disco, two phrases in all this time, untied the dress and ready Oh
Overall, I really enjoyed the season. My first impression was that the topic was important, it was obvious that they tried very hard to do it well and efficiently, it was fascinating to watch, but it was clear that the whole thing was a bit empty. And it seemed like there was nothing else to shoot about, the story was over and there was no need to artificially try to continue it. But it was very successful and the second season is really good. But what happened to Tyler kills all impressions completely. I just think about it, all the emotions are just about it, the whole season has gone by the wayside. You shouldn't have done that.
It's just a GREAT end to the season.
I've shed more tears in this episode than I've shed in 2 seasons combined.
When Clay was giving a speech to Hannah, everything just turned upside down. It was such a sensual moment. Those cherished words: "I love you." Spoken repeatedly.
And I'm glad that Hannah has gone out into the world-to heaven!
I am incredibly happy for Justin that he was adopted. It was an unexpected turn in his life. I screamed with joy at that moment. The way he cried, it was for happiness)
To watch him start a new life)
But, of course, the fact that he still hasn't gotten rid of addiction is overshadowing..
The moment with Tyler actually killed me. The way he was beaten, raped.. Into tears again.
How cruel teenagers can be, and indeed people in general.
When Tony played the song, "The Night We Met," everything went down. Clay and Hannah's song...
Clay walked, with surging emotions, to the middle of the dance floor, as he had done to "her."
And after that, everyone began to pull up to him. It was heartwarming. That everyone got so close to each other. And I'm glad that they all found something good for themselves) to somehow put all the bad things in the past.
That's what Tyler was going to do.... It's just unbelievable. I'm offended by everyone.
I'm glad he didn't succeed.
But I hope they don't dump all this shit on Clay.
I'm worried about Justin, I hope he gets off this shit after all.
Alex with a new hairstyle is charming (although I've always liked him, but there are just no words in this series), it's just a pity, bad luck with his relationship.
I'm happy for Tony, Clay did well to invite his boyfriend to the school dance.
I was crying with Clay on that very slow train, how sad it is, in my very heart...
I can't imagine what will happen in the third season, but the series is important, necessary and damn relevant. Unfortunately.
But in general, I personally liked the second season more, although the first one is more familiar - I've known him for a long time, and I've just watched the second one. Now I wonder: how can you not watch the third season after such an ending?)) I'll start working on it tomorrow, and I hope I won't be disappointed...
The scene with Tyler in the bathroom was incredibly difficult, and I had to rewind it when they used the mop. However... the mirror broke so violently and the sink was even more violently, but for the whole day, probably no one visited the toilet and did not ask the question - "what happened here?". Still, that's not the main question... The main question is why Tyler has impenetrable skin, in other words, why he got off so easily.
I liked the other side of Hannah's life. I don't blame her for anything, I don't condemn her, I'm glad that she still had good moments like Justin, Zach, Ryan.
She burst into tears during Clay's farewell speech. He's a really strong character after all.
I am saddened by Justin's behavior, but no one is without sin and it can be understood. I was incredibly glad that he was adopted. I hope the guy pulls through and fucking Seth doesn't do anything to hurt him and his new family. After all, Justin wasn't the total asshole we thought he was.
And how well they chose Gomez's song.:
"I wanna hold you when I'm not supposed to
When I'm lying close to someone else"
Jess, don't lie to Alex, please!
I don't understand Justin, how he got hooked on this stuff in the first place, when he was growing up with a drug addict mother and saw what this lifestyle led to:(
Terrible scene with Tyler. I'm glad they stopped him. I hope Monty pays for this. I also found it strange that Monty Bryce was devoted, as if he was in love with him??? or she really wants his attention and recognition, xs.
I want Clay to be okay, because he's suffered a lot because of Hannah.
In general, if there really are such children, then we are doomed.
This season pulled all the emotions out of the most secret corners of the soul, made me worry, cry, be horrified and angry at the realization that this is not fiction, but what really exists in this world.
The whole season was calm and measured for me, but from this episode my emotions jumped like a ball, bouncing from one wall to another and back again. I was crying at the church moment, and at the song moment with Clay. Then I got angry when these guys did to Tyler (if I'm not mistaken. I have a bad memory for names) such a horror. It would have given me the creeps. So I immediately assumed that either those guys would be killed, or he would kill himself. But I didn't expect terror. And it's a good thing it didn't happen. There was also joy when Jessica and Justin finally got together. It's a pity, really, Alex((( Tony has finally improved his relationship with his boyfriend. However, there is some misunderstanding about Justin's drugs. I hoped he was done, because the light was starting to come into his life. But I hope that it will be explained next season. There is also a lack of understanding why Clay did not put the machine gun in the car. I hope it's from nerves, and not from the fact that he forgot, and hello, season 3. But as I said, most likely, everything will be explained to us adequately, because now I have high hopes for the series.
P.S. This kid has a lot more reasons to kill himself in the bathroom, but no, POOR HANNOCHKA killed herself because Jepka was on the list.
And it's hard to watch the series, not because it's heavy, but because of the whining. 13 episodes per hour where all the actors with sad fuckers constantly whine about hard life and terrible peers. The generation of snowflakes, damn, I wonder how long they would have lasted at the secondary school No. 1 in the city of Zheleznogorsk.
However, the fact that Bryce did not properly get what he deserved and this egregious case with Tyler do not allow the plot to end. About Jessica and Justin, to be honest, it was expected, whatever he was and whatever he did. She doesn't love Alex, except as a friend.
It's disgusting. But even more disgusting is that this happens in real life.
I am grateful to this series for the important topics it raises, and I just hope that more people will open their eyes. Because I'm already tired of reading comments that Hannah is a whore and thought up reasons for suicide, and Bryce is not a rapist at all, and the rest is fucked up by people who apparently don't have a brain at all.
That baseball bitch, she didn't remember his name, how disgusting he was. The scene in the toilet is just tinny, really, I stopped, because my ears were ringing and it was so sudden (well, not the attack itself, but what it was like). I'm shocked that they actually did this. Poor Tyler.
If you remember, he was just an ordinary boy with a passion for photography. Yes, he followed Hannah, getting on the list of 13 reasons, but if you think about it, he's not exactly a terrible person. Just a teenager.
I have too many thoughts about his life situation to even describe everything. But I sincerely feel sorry for him.
Clay gave a great speech. It was touching and sincere.
But at the end...He needs to be a negotiator in some internal organs. In fact, he stopped Tyler from shooting many innocent people. Which is good. But it's not clear how Tyler's escape from a potential crime scene will help. Yes, Clay was motivated by the feeling that Hannah had given them a mission to help those who needed help, but still running away would not help Tyler recover from what had happened. He might not tell anyone about it out of shame.
Damn, there are so many questions at the end of the season.
It's a bit of a pity that Hannah's mom lost the case, although it shows 100% how the justice system works. But I'm glad she can move on, even with this unbearable pain.
I am very glad that Jessica was able to survive. Her example shows one hundred percent that telling and confessing to violence is better than keeping a secret if you know the rapist by sight. Yes, the court did not punish Bryce as he deserved, and here again the rotten and possibly corrupt side of the justice system may have been laid down as a thought, because Bryce's parents are obviously very rich and influential.
But I'm glad that Jessica is free.
I would like to say that you always, always need to talk and figure out what's what, whether it's a friendly or loving relationship. A lot could have been avoided if they had talked honestly to each other and not thought out the motives or reasons why this is happening for other people. But it all comes down to the fact that they are teenagers, they still cannot fully understand themselves and how words or actions affect other people. This is often something adults can't figure out what to take from children.
In general, watching generates a lot of thoughts and it is very interesting what the hell will happen next with Liberty High School and our gang of teenagers.
At least it's easier for me, because I can not wait and watch the series further. After all, I'm in 2023
The question remains: what will the school do? The toilet was definitely supposed to be cleaned before the ball. Did the broken mirror, the blood on the sink, a lot of blood on the floor and the handle of the mop in the blood and body particles not confuse anyone??? (I doubt Tyler cleaned up) There should have been at least a fuss!
I hope to get an answer next season.
Tyler wouldn't have come out unnoticed, there should have been blood all over his pants. Well, he couldn't walk and SIT normally after that... Although he never liked him, he certainly did not deserve this. It would not hurt to put Montgomery and co. in prison for 20 years.
After the scene in the bathroom, it became so uncomfortable that even remembering it is mentally painful.
And now we are once again convinced of how important it is to have around those people who are able to understand our pain and calm us down in difficult times.
We finished the season very strongly
I've read a lot that the scene with Hannah's death is very harsh. Yes. But this final episode is just a tin can. It's so hard and it hurts so much for everyone..