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s01e08 — I Heard a Rumor
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258I don't believe Allison is going to die. I don't want to believe
And here, for the first time in her life, she meets a man who supports her in everything and creates a family atmosphere that she had never had before. In my opinion, her behavior is within the framework of logic.
Well, the fact that Vanya does not see any flaws in Harold is quite normal. She fell in love and doesn't notice anything.
And then a guy appears who says how wonderful she is, special, reveals her powers, gives her confidence (he does all this out of his own selfish motives, of course; a typical manipulator).
So it's not just love. There's also a whole grudge against everyone who didn't put her in anything. : with
In fact, her life was really ruined, turning her into an emotionless vegetable, entailing a miserable existence in the shadow of other people. And when everything is revealed, the sister, with an absolutely indifferent look, says: "Come on, you have to move on... we communicated normally..."
I do not justify Vanya's action, but her reaction is understandable. And the fact that she does not want to believe in Harold's villainy is due to her feelings. When you meet a guy for the first time in your life, from whom you get what you have not been able to achieve in 30 years from any person around you, then you will forgive him anything.
Including the gaudy plaid shirts.
Vanya's aggression is simply directed in the wrong direction. It is clear that the dead father can no longer be killed with his new strength. But to remember my childhood and tell my sister - you hit me in the head with a stick at the age of four and that's why I'm so flawed now?? 26 years have passed. Oh, not even like that - you're not going to hit me with a stick, but OUR FATHER made you hit me with a stick, but you're to blame, because you're closer now and I can hit you with my stick now.
It is impossible to identify the absolutely right one here, but Allison is more sorry
, the end is heartbreaking, Allison is far from a positive character, but she definitely did not deserve such an end (I hope it's not the end after all) :(
I mean, yes, it's still stupid, but I kind of understand her reaction.
- Your murderer, he served 12 years, pretends to be someone else, we found our photographs with scratched eyes in his house...
- YOU RUMMAGED THROUGH HIS THINGS???
- But I have a police report on him, I can show you!
- BUT HE LOVES ME AZAZAZA
But seriously, she is wildly annoying. Even taking into account her childhood, you have relatives in front of you (no matter what kind of relationship you have) and an incomprehensible guy who suddenly showed up and about whom you don't know a damn thing. You can stop for a second, get acquainted with all the facts and only then make decisions.
I don't understand and I can't justify it. There's no way to explain cutting a sister's throat. Especially seeing the guy's reaction. A strange character, in general.
A real-life example. One troll the other day crossed all my accounts and tried to pull off some kind of manipulation) it's just a pity for the unfortunate. I wasted my time..
* reread - reread
I understand you, but unfortunately memory is emotionally colored and decoding it requires awareness. having physical superpowers does not guarantee a high level of intelligence, as we can see..It's about the same as if a champion in sports repeats ridiculous things that have been suggested to him, or agitates for the ruling party, and then gets drunk or beats up a driver under stimulants and is scolded by his patrons. Do you understand?
Allison was asked to say in Russian, "I've heard a rumor that You think you're ordinary/ordinary." She did not deprive Vanya of her strength or erase her memory. She was asked to perform a manipulation, which caused Vanya to block her own abilities because she did not try to develop them. (plus pills, of course) So as we can see, Vanya herself did not remember this event, nor how she studied with glasses, nor how she started taking pills, what else can I say?..
>> You can think and assume anything about childhood memories, but the facts remain that childhood memories are not preserved as well as those of adults. This is especially true for children growing up in a traumatic, manipulative environment. Given everything we know, I'd be surprised if Allison could even remember her injury at that age.
But I didn't understand about the example : with
/ But I didn't understand about the example: / - me too..2x2= 5 .. This is science, brother, mathematics
But it doesn't negate the fact that she didn't understand why her father made her say that.
Agnes is such a darling, she's like a bird herself.
There's nothing surprising about Vanya, you can spend your whole life on conditional Prozac, under the supervision of an abusive dad, and abruptly quit under the strict guidance of a psychopath, and you can do shit without superpowers, you know. As for the accusations: well, the miracle dad dumped it on heaven, and it all needs to be directed at someone, Allison just turned up damn unluckily.
In the finale, she played cool when she screamed over the injured Alisson, I myself am shocked by this development, of course, but considering that in the comic the head is transplanted onto the body of a monkey and the person survives, you can count on a happy ending for Alisson :)
It's not Allison's fault.
As for Vanya, she can also be understood. She didn't "trade her sister and family for kui" - she chose the person she loves, who, she believes, loves her, helps her, takes care of her. This is not surprising.
Has there never been a person in your environment that your loved ones warned you about, but you didn't listen to them?
The characters all turn out to be real and alive. Everyone is annoying in their own way, everyone is sympathetic in their own way, you love everyone and you don't understand everyone.
It happens that I get up in the morning, drink coffee, look at what happened on the Internet during my absence and see that some cute lady has already given me two likes on avatars and that's it! I can already see our whole life together, quarrels, goodbyes, the first trips together, then the first child, the second, a country house and death from old age surrounded by great-grandchildren, and then FIVE DAYS, I beg you))
For years, she was constantly being told like a mantra that she was nobody and no one.
It sounds pretty convincing to me. but! There is some truth in your words.
She talked and made contact, but it wasn't always easy to meet her =\
I may be thinking for the authors, but it seems to me that there is logic here too, they say, this is her way to become part of the family, to declare to the whole world that "I am here! I was there. I grew up with them too! I'm actually their kind of sister, if anything;)"and all that.
So all the children grew up in some way disadvantaged. Yes, they told her that she was ordinary, they didn't play with her, they didn't take her on missions. But was it easier for others? Look at the lives of other children. I feel sorry for all of them. Everyone has their own personal trauma. Despite the fact that we've been shown all season that she was an outcast in the house, it's still obvious that things weren't quite like that. They loved her, considered her a sister, communicated, just did not see reciprocity and desire. She wasn't forbidden to communicate with her family. It's just that the child believed in his own inferiority and shut himself off from the world. Only parents and psychologists can help here, which she, one might say, did not have.
And little Vanya was too cold and emotionless even before she was made an outcast. After all, we were shown attempts to "tame" her abilities.
By the way, if you think about it that way, then the whole story might not have happened if one inadequate child hadn't harbored a childhood grudge for the rest of his life and become obsessed with these children))
Here, too, is a strange moment, because it seems to us that we are constantly told that she is almost hated in the hut, but at the same time they seem to treat her normally. Except that some people held a grudge against her for the book.
In general, there was an adult uncle, a rich, incredible intellectual, who humiliated a child inspired by him in front of a crowd. And the crowd of sheep accepted this as the norm . It was necessary to kill them all on the spot so that the virus of idiocy would not develop and infect others.
One day, the amount of your stormy energy will grow into quality, I hope ;) good luck.
/there don't seem to be any clear posts there at all/ - that's what I'm talking about)
This is a joke, not these pictures of boys with Dad's pneumatic guns))
And Harold is a five-star psychopath, you just feel the chill from him.
The story of Chacha's partner is very touching and I feel sorry for him. He wants to live a normal life, but not like he can't.
7 resents her sister because their father asked her to. A 4-year-old child did not understand his actions.
(My opinion)
I wonder if Alice's ghost, when she sees Ben's ghost, will say something like "have you been around all this time?" it would be funny x)
Allison is very sorry, even if she's not the most positive character, but she wasn't bad.
Ellen Page, of course, infuriates, but she's a good actress, especially in this episode, when she screamed at Allison, she played very well.
It's so infuriating. She's dumb! Dumb as a cork, and with each episode it gets more and more visible. Should I blame my sister, WHO WAS ALSO 4 YEARS OLD, for ruining her life OUT of ENVY???? This is the height of stupidity, gentlemen.
In short, I'm emotional and I'm angry and generally aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
And I liked Alisson) I liked how worried she was about this fool, she put so much effort into protecting her. I hope she doesn't die, but she'll probably lose her voice anyway (
In short, everything is boiling inside, cake. I'm only glad to think that this hysterical woman will now be haunted by the sight of her sister's slit throat. She'll also thank Bata for not letting her mess up all the living things)
Well, yes, let's say thank you to Daddy.
The brothers find Allison and let's squeeze her. Should I call an ambulance? No, it's too complicated too.
This situation is perfectly shown in sense8, where the dying heroine, looking in spirit at her men suffering over her, asked if they were going to help her instead of letting her die
The fact that she doesn't have a phone doesn't change the fact that Vanya just left her to die.
Logically, how can any ordinary person or an ordinary idiot help in such a situation - with a pumped-up torso, the ability to throw knives, and talk to the dead?.Oh, Klaus could have called some kind of surgeon) if he could even control his "superpowers", but they showed us that he just sees spirits, he barely communicated with his father..
It's not even a matter of strength, because ordinary people in reality are just like that, and they carry them to the hospital on their hump, and they are looking for a way to save them, and they are doing at least something. The point here is not the reality of the series, but what people are doing, what kind of reaction would be normal.
And if an ordinary person is guilty a minute ago, and has very contradictory feelings for the victim, then this is a completely different matter. That's about how millions of people die in domestic family quarrels.
Vanya has been annoying since the very first episode, but here she just went completely off the rails. I understand that she doesn't take pills anymore, but you can't turn your mind like that and not hear at all what dangers your sister is telling you about.
and in the end, I was so overwhelmed that I sat and sobbed.
and yes, how annoying this abusive bastard is, who can already build his house out of corpses, but no, the feeling of revenge in him obscures everything human, prompting him to create such a fierce wilderness that no nerves are enough.
Anyway. It's a pretty common scenario move. Is this really the first time you've seen this?
The only thing that made me stand out was that Allison tells me that she was four, her father told her to do it, she did it and didn't realize what she had done until she saw Vanya's power as an adult. AND Vanya: "YOU DID THIS TO ME, YOU KNEW EVERYTHING, YOU WERE SILENT." Simply... #####.
Why didn't you destroy all the documentation on her powers, but left it in the most obvious place, knowing what danger she could pose?
I hope that the Fifth One will save Allison))
Vanya immediately switched completely to Allison from dad's logical accusations, and no apologies could work anymore, she wound herself up to hysteria (and she liked this state without pills, when you can freak out for your whole life). And Allison, unable to calm her down, made a threat: "Well, I have no other choice, avada keda... (there was a rumor)..." She was going to do the same terrible thing with Vanya again. It was necessary to shut her up instantly, which Vanya did.
An extremely unfortunate set of circumstances in the series finale, where everyone aimlessly, thoughtlessly and unsuccessfully goes back and forth, not meeting when necessary and meeting when not necessary.
The fifth one is to blame for being in the future. The monocle had warned him. He got there because of his selfishness. I wanted to prove to everyone that I can do anything. At the same time, apparently, he did not spend all 30 years in the Apocalypse. Then he met the aunt who recruited him. And then he worked there for many years, which hardened his character. Nevertheless, he became a professional killer, it is clear that he is used not to whine, but to cope with the situation. But at the same time, the Fifth did not bother to gather everyone and explain the Apocalypse to everyone on time. I was running alone.
I feel sorry for them all. Because everyone's destinies are crippled in their own way. Even Leonard's life could have turned out differently, after all.
P.S. Are you watching carefully?)) Vanya, not Vasya)
I don't know, I can't empathize with Luther as much as possible. On the one hand, I understand that he had a terrible time being betrayed by a man he trusted immensely, but still, this character is sooo typical and fixated on one thing.
but I'm really worried about Hazel and Agnes' relationship!
Secondly, Alison's act can be considered a betrayal. No one thinks about what the child was thinking and understanding at that moment in time, everyone always believes that he is to blame for everything and did not fight back.
Thirdly, my sister tried to separate them from the very beginning, so maybe it's just her revenge and desire to distance them from each other.
But I still hope that 5, or someone else, will bring Alison back, and they will reconcile. By the way, it is likely that Klaus will be able to accidentally bring her back, he also has a connection with the dead)
But I remember that she told Luther (sort of) that it was once with her daughter.
But about the conversation with Luther, yes, I was wrong. She says, "I told myself it was a one-time thing, but it didn't stop there."
I felt as creepy as possible
minus Alisson 🗿🗿🗿
No, I'm not crying, it's just tears
running down my cheek
For some reason, I think she'll survive, but she'll lose her voice(
Well, now it's clear whose eye they were looking for)
Of course, I'm not a psychiatrist, and I've never drunk antipsychotics (or whatever Vanya was drinking) in my life. But as I understand it, they made her indifferent, suppressed emotions.
And then she abruptly, I repeat, abruptly stops taking them and immediately begins to experience a lot of different emotions that she doesn't really know how to handle. Plus her strength. That's what happened.
Allison, of course, was dumb enough to use force.
I hope Allison is alive🙏
"Where to?"
— Save the world.
—Oh, that's it?" Great.
That's the only way I can describe this series.
No one, not Klaus, not Diego, not Luther, not number five?
No one remembers anything about Vanya being able to do something unusual!?
But I don't think she's really going to die.
Nothing can justify murder, but you need to understand what led to it.:
1) Vanya has been on pills all her life
2) Vanya was doused with shit all her life, no one cared about her, she felt lonely, lost and abandoned
3) The first person she loves has appeared
I don't understand how you can expect rational actions from a person with a completely broken psyche. And anger is a feeling, feelings are often irrational :)
It all resembles an absolutely stupid argument about Tony and Cap
Mad about you, at the end, but most importantly, Elliot Page is listed in the credits. It's really cool.
God, I was dragging myself with Klaus at first, it's all just my favorite queer, I'm dying.
I'm just in shock from the end, I hope she doesn't die
, and most importantly!!
I wish Hazel and his grandmother were together and happy.
In the first episodes, Vanya was infuriating with her worthlessness and the appearance of some kind of scourge. Now she just looks like a fool who ran after some lefty dude like a mutt and betrayed her family. Yes, many people will say that she had a difficult childhood, they didn't communicate with her and blah blah blah, but no shit.
Luther was attached to his father all his life, became half Frankenstein and spent 4 years on the moon, Allison lost her family because of her power, Klaus had nightmares with dead people all his childhood, and was drugged as an adult, spent the fifth half of his life alone and bears the burden for the whole world, Ben died altogether.
Compared to all this, Vanya's life was a paradise for prospects and discoveries, so Alisson was right that she was no longer a child, but continued to blame everyone around her.
How much tension was accumulating in those hairy shoulders.))
Wait, is this your first?!?… Come on!!?
And the boy is ripe.
Now you have to marry her. 😂
In the beginning, when she's poor and unhappy, it's still OK, but in this episode she's just monstrously pissed off.
Thanks, I've spoken up.