@ChelseaRayne: To be fair, if Gilead didn't exist, they wouldn't have to smuggle women out of there and that's all. June, of course, is not doing very well, but Gilead is the main cause of this hell and all the problems.
@ChelseaRayne: Gilead: destroys, rapes, mutilates, humiliates, intimidates, deprives of all rights June: tries to survive and save children Conclusion: June is worse than Gilead!
@illenzee: June is just on her own mind. The goals are good - the implementation sucks. She does not think at all about the risk she is putting her "master" at. Without consulting him, drag a woman into the house... Because of her indiscretion, the maid, in fact, died. For if they had acted together with the commander, they could have been saved. Let it be later, but save it. And here... personally, I don't have any sympathy for June right now.
Lydia is such a scum, tin. And June, even though she's locked up, is still trying to help. And Lydia was a taser, a taser, and she should have been executed! Rough. * "Think of yourselves as seed. What kind of seed will you be, girls?" "I pretend I'm a tree." * "Calesterol". "Everything will be fine with diet and exercise." And she just got out of hell. And then there are such simple problems — diets, exercises, regular visits to doctors to monitor your health, just to live on and be happy.
I burst into tears when Emily called her wife, and she ANSWERED. This series. ;____; The second series in a row, and the soundtrack is still penetrating. They can do that.
The phrase about " Her walking partner snapped. Pushed her in front of the bus. " Just slay, June. Slay.
Lawrence is being rather rude, but I understand that if they were careless, they would all be hanged there.
And I wonder if, after everything that's happened between Nick and June, they're never going to be together, and he's not going to visit her. I really hope that they will show more. And that this season will have at least some encouraging outcome. And then how much is possible. :(
P.S. Someone, please remind me, what is the disease of Lawrence's wife? I remember that she had terrible seizures in the second season, and then she still gets weak. And then she's suddenly upbeat and digging in the garden. Yes, and Lawrence is so sensitive to all this.
@youarebymyside: There was no real explanation. Something like post-traumatic stress disorder. Like, she was against this system and it was too much for her.
@youarebymyside: she went crazy when she found out what her husband had done (especially because of the concentration camps), her psyche could not stand it. Apparently she was able to pull herself together when she saw June and saw what they were doing. I think the realization that she can somehow help them helps her (redemption, etc.)
@youarebymyside: Lawrence's wife is not just digging in the garden - she is planting flowers in the place where Martha is buried. I think she has lost reality in her helplessness, but now there is such a movement around that only a blind person will not notice and she gradually begins to spit out into adequacy.
Luke looks purple on the baby.in principle, this was to be expected, but still.It's your wife's!She didn't just pick him up somewhere.while he's sitting here with his pants on and sipping a beer, somewhere out there-by the way, not so far away!his wife and daughter!and what attempts did he make?and anyway, it's strange that everyone is sitting quietly and waiting for someone to escape once again!
@j-crystal: There are hundreds, thousands of them..That's why he drinks because he reproaches himself with impotence. Survivor's fault. It's like telling a single Jew who managed to escape that he didn't get his family out of a concentration camp in the occupied territories.
According to the plot, Luke did not know that June and his daughter were alive. If he had any hope, it was vague, because anything could happen to his girls. These fanatical psychopaths mutilate and kill women even at the stage of zombification /re-education / preparation for "service", they could be exiled to a public quarter where they are hooked on drugs and quietly cut into shreds, no one will say a word across. Gilead has enough weapons to wage war with neighboring states. There is nothing strange in the fact that average Canadians and runaways do not rush to the embrasure. Luke, as an ordinary man in the street, could hardly suddenly become Agent 007, famously infiltrate Gala_Ad and scatter all enemies there with one glance.
@vikulichka - / this is your wife's!/ - and another guy. The fact that "I didn't just walk out" puts even more pressure on the psyche.
@doruma: yes, all this is understandable, of course, I wrote it in my heart. But I mean, here's a hundred pounds, if June were in his place, yes, she would sit on the ears of the government there, or arrange propaganda for the fact that Gilead should be destroyed, that all states should be called upon. and not just Canada to get people out. Of course, it is clear that this will lead to a new war and casualties, but she would definitely at least be in the organization to rescue people from there. And judging by the 3rd episode, she is already doing this - destroying Gilead's device from the inside. here are my thoughts on the differences between Luke and June's personalities.
@vikulichka: Well how... It was said, after all, there are "rebels" in the west, but people who know how to do something are needed there. I do not remember who Luke was before, but it is unlikely that he will be of any use, there is hardly any military training, the ability to make weapons.
And according to banal psychology, that's why he drinks, that's why he hates everything and everyone, because he blames himself for what happened, that his wife is there and he is here. In fact, such a person should be brought out of such a state and forced to do something, then he begins to make sense. As soon as he relieves himself of the burden of guilt, glimpses will immediately begin in his head, like: "what can I do for all this?" By and large, he is not guilty of anything. Yes, his wife is there, because that's the system, she can give birth. Yes, he survived because they helped him, but he had no chance to help his family. This is not a series about super heroes, but about real people. If a living person were in this situation, everything could be worse.
And so... as for June, she's starting to really piss me off. In every house, they try to help her, make her life easier somehow, but she constantly turns her fifth point, and even comes out of the water clean. When everyone burned a brush on the stove, she sat and ate soup. Now a woman has been killed, and she's acting like nothing happened. I've already realized that her daughter is fine without her, so why try to do everything through her ass? It's more useful if he escapes and tries to destroy this system from the outside, rather than inside, then there will be chances to take his daughter away... but no! She needs to set everyone up, give a shit to everyone's soul, and that's it. He thinks he's too important.
There are simply no words for Emmyli. I feel very sorry for her. For her, the new world is something very scary, unusual, looking for some kind of trick everywhere, waiting for something negative and punishment everywhere. I feel very sorry for her, it makes me shudder. Also, "at home" does not see any real support, only reproaches, looks like: "why are you alive, and not someone else." It is difficult physically, mentally, psychologically and everything only aggravates this condition.
Last seasons were shot in some big colors, and now everything is really too gloomy, only gray prevails and even at maximum brightness it is difficult to see something. This adds its own "charm" and only aggravates the picture.
@vk394996: I do not deny in any way that June is acting very carelessly and is getting herself into additional problems. But if she had been perfectly careful, there would have been no drama, perhaps)
But for a moment, June buried that murdered woman with her own hands. At the same time, if anyone finds out that this woman was in the house at all, they will hang everyone, June, Martha, and the commander and his wife. Naturally, June pretends that nothing happened, for the sake of her own and everyone's safety.
The idea of trying to destroy Gilead from the outside baffles me, to be honest. This is an entire state, armed to the teeth. How exactly can one person destroy it? Imagine that you need to personally destroy, well, for example, the United Arab Emirates. What will be your actions? No, it's simply impossible. Inside Gilead, June's chances of getting her daughter out are not zero, which is why she stayed. June knows where her daughter lives, she also knows that there is an underground resistance that can help, so she climbs into it, headlong.
@vk394996: / they are trying to help her, to make her life easier somehow, but she constantly turns her fifth point, and also comes out of the water clean. When everyone burned a brush on the stove, she sat and ate soup. /
This is pure manipulation. The commanders, the owners of the houses invented and implemented a regime of regular violence and the expectation of offspring. Although the logic in this is 0.0% . If they were interested in population growth, everything could be done much more efficiently, easier. Women who have retained fertility should generally be carried on their hands.. It was possible to provide them with separate housing, or arrange a special town where the best IVF doctors would work with them. And get regular pregnancies without all this drama. But since most highly educated specialists opposed religious tyranny, they were executed. Only those who agreed to compromise their principles and swore allegiance to the regime survived. Instead of a simple medical procedure, rituals, instead of respect and gratitude for motherhood, are the maximum humiliation of women capable of conception.
When someone has unique qualities, there are only a couple of ways to encourage a person to share it: 1. to guarantee a reward worthy of this uniqueness - special rights, privileges, financial compensation 2. forced alienation of what others do not possess - moral, physical pressure, deprivation of the right to dispose of their uniqueness.
The Gala_ad command chose the path No.2. How to get a woman who was independent, working, educated yesterday to give birth regularly and not spend too much on it? Create a sect. To convince women that giving birth is their only duty and the meaning of existence. For any attempt to shake the rights, immediately brutally demonstratively punish, so that others would not be offended.
When June eats soup, she tries to show that it is not so easy to break her. Shifting the blame and responsibility for the actions of the executioners onto the victims is a method to divide the rioters, suppressing even the rudiment of free thought. They say that she is the instigator - and they will punish all of you. It's okay to defend yourself. And the fact that the executioners do just the opposite.
In that episode, everyone who followed June's example and refused to stone a neighbor in misfortune should have understood that there would be consequences. They couldn't have been there. Their hope was that the tormentors would not kill them all at once, since they were so valuable. They weren't killed. It's not June's fault. The cattle who turned them into slaves and tortured them are to blame.
Yes, in principle, there was originally a goal to create a rigid patriarchy in order to usurp power. Everything you described above is true, the techniques work. But I think that "caring about the future of the planet" in the form of population growth is all tinsel. The true goal is the usurpation of power. Remember, for example, the episode when they discussed mistresses and the act in the car, deciding to replace these words so that everything would not look so lexically and morally disgusting.
To be honest, I have little idea that Gilead will be overthrown. Well, imagine that all the women in Saudi Arabia (where the level of women's rights is just somewhere in the Gilead area) suddenly realized what kind of... they live in. Although it's a little different here. The Arabs have centuries-old traditions, where women have never known freedom, but here people lived in a normal country, and ended up in hell. All the male characters in the series, even Luke, are terribly annoying. There are also weaklings, all men. Well, it's more of a tribute to the genre. Lawrence is clearly not that simple, especially since he is the author of the colonies. Only a seriously ill person could create such a thing. This is the GULAG in the new version. Well, I'm still happy for my Emily. And for Moira too) Emily's call to her wife - my God, this is one of the most tender and touching moments of the series)
@mixer1701: Do you think Lawrence has a cunning plan to create a resistance network to identify apostates in order to cover everyone at once? Maybe he has seen the light, repents and tries to fix the situation. In the style of: "I begot you Gilead, I will kill you"
Emily is still more interesting to watch than June. All her psychological traumas from stress are shown very subtly when she visited the doctors. And Lydia is a filthy creature, of course.
@Karinchik: /Lydia is a filthy creature / - she is ideological. Typical fgm/hgm . The sectarian fanaticism of the primitive brain. She can barely stand on her feet and is ready to kill for filthy idols, and not ostentatiously, but alone without witnesses. I believed in my own nonsense. The highest degree of selfless service to the idea.
@Karinchik: fgm not only does not cancel such behavior, but pushes for it. "The end justifies the means." "The road to gala Hell is paved with good intentions.".
Emily, I hope for the best with her. And in other respects, it will not be worse than Gilead.
Lydia is an ideological creature. She was brainwashed very, very well.
And now to all those who are annoyed by June: guys, yes, she's being careless, but she can't sit idly by. And especially when I realized that there are those who think like her (or almost like her).
it seemed to me that Canada had this system with notifying the relatives of refugees (as Luke was told about Moira), then why didn't Emily's wife find out right away..? or am I confusing something?
@doruma: вы же не думаете, что патриархальный мир мог всерьёз воспринять идею "носить фертильных женщин на руках и едва не поклоняться им"? Для них нет ничего святее члена. Всё остальное — декорация для обслуживания мужчин.
Командор Лоренс ходячий мем :D - А церемония? По нашим данным, плодотворное время Джозефовной было недавно. - Ага, все супер. Или - Интересно, какой у этих штук (электрошокеров) заряд...
Лоуренс кажется таким же больным ублюдком как и остальные командоры, просто у него загиб с властью в другую сторону – тут он наслаждается ролью «спасителя».
Новый сезон идет по ощущениям тяжеловато, ибо основная идея исчерпана, и до концовки зрителя тянут максимально эмоциональными, резкими вставками, от которых немного перегружается общая картина.
Господи, как оторваться от этого сериала? Давно меня сериалы не заставляли так жадно глотать одну серию за другой. А ведь так бомбило после последней серии второго сезона, что готова была дропнуть. Хвала, что не сделала этого!
Коммандор Лоренс дико интересный персонаж, возлагаю на него большие надежды. И становится невыносимо интересно, что там с его женушкой такое.
За Лоуренсом оч интересно наблюдать. Эта его ухмылочка) Но он явно психически неуравновешен, поэтому подставу точно следует ожидать. Оч странный дом. Я, если честно, не особо даже поняла эту серию
Удивило, что никто из комментаторов не высказался по поводу марты, которая работала в иезавеле и кормила Ника с намеками)) а теперь она с джун в одном доме))
Да, упоминали о ней. Джун же спрашивала ее, знала ли она Руби(Мойру), и что она в Канаду на каникулы уехала. Там никакой неловкости между ними, Марте вообще пофиг, у неё другие цели в жизни.
Джун наверное пытается как-то оправдать то, что она не воспользовалась шансом и не сбежала, поэтому действует так бесстрашно (читай - неосторожно и безрассудно). Но Ник был прав, она поступает эгоистично, подставляет людей, которые ей помогли. Она точно так же жаждет власти и упивается ею, как и другие "герои" Гилеада. Что её власть над Сереной во время беременности, что сейчас, когда её хозяин позволяет ей творить что хочет. Наверное она считает, что ей нечего терять - ведь она смирилась с тем, что останется здесь умирать. Но у других могут быть другие планы на жизнь, и не все хотят закончить на стене. Я надеялась, Джун что-то поняла тогда у стены после неудавшегося побега, и всё твердила "это моя вина". Но нет. Или слишком быстро у неё выветрилось это из головы.
И чисто технический вопрос: она только-только кормила грудью, разве она уже готова к родам, разве у неё уже есть овуляция, что её так быстро определили в другой дом?
June: tries to survive and save children
Conclusion: June is worse than Gilead!
personally, I don't have any sympathy for June right now.
*
"Think of yourselves as seed. What kind of seed will you be, girls?"
"I pretend I'm a tree."
*
"Calesterol".
"Everything will be fine with diet and exercise."
And she just got out of hell. And then there are such simple problems — diets, exercises, regular visits to doctors to monitor your health, just to live on and be happy.
I burst into tears when Emily called her wife, and she ANSWERED. This series. ;____;
The second series in a row, and the soundtrack is still penetrating. They can do that.
The phrase about " Her walking partner snapped. Pushed her in front of the bus. " Just slay, June. Slay.
Lawrence is being rather rude, but I understand that if they were careless, they would all be hanged there.
And I wonder if, after everything that's happened between Nick and June, they're never going to be together, and he's not going to visit her. I really hope that they will show more. And that this season will have at least some encouraging outcome. And then how much is possible. :(
P.S. Someone, please remind me, what is the disease of Lawrence's wife? I remember that she had terrible seizures in the second season, and then she still gets weak. And then she's suddenly upbeat and digging in the garden. Yes, and Lawrence is so sensitive to all this.
I think she has lost reality in her helplessness, but now there is such a movement around that only a blind person will not notice and she gradually begins to spit out into adequacy.
According to the plot, Luke did not know that June and his daughter were alive. If he had any hope, it was vague, because anything could happen to his girls. These fanatical psychopaths mutilate and kill women even at the stage of zombification /re-education / preparation for "service", they could be exiled to a public quarter where they are hooked on drugs and quietly cut into shreds, no one will say a word across. Gilead has enough weapons to wage war with neighboring states. There is nothing strange in the fact that average Canadians and runaways do not rush to the embrasure. Luke, as an ordinary man in the street, could hardly suddenly become Agent 007, famously infiltrate Gala_Ad and scatter all enemies there with one glance.
@vikulichka - / this is your wife's!/ - and another guy. The fact that "I didn't just walk out" puts even more pressure on the psyche.
here are my thoughts on the differences between Luke and June's personalities.
And according to banal psychology, that's why he drinks, that's why he hates everything and everyone, because he blames himself for what happened, that his wife is there and he is here. In fact, such a person should be brought out of such a state and forced to do something, then he begins to make sense. As soon as he relieves himself of the burden of guilt, glimpses will immediately begin in his head, like: "what can I do for all this?"
By and large, he is not guilty of anything. Yes, his wife is there, because that's the system, she can give birth. Yes, he survived because they helped him, but he had no chance to help his family. This is not a series about super heroes, but about real people. If a living person were in this situation, everything could be worse.
as for June, she's starting to really piss me off. In every house, they try to help her, make her life easier somehow, but she constantly turns her fifth point, and even comes out of the water clean. When everyone burned a brush on the stove, she sat and ate soup. Now a woman has been killed, and she's acting like nothing happened.
I've already realized that her daughter is fine without her, so why try to do everything through her ass? It's more useful if he escapes and tries to destroy this system from the outside, rather than inside, then there will be chances to take his daughter away... but no! She needs to set everyone up, give a shit to everyone's soul, and that's it.
He thinks he's too important.
There are simply no words for Emmyli. I feel very sorry for her. For her, the new world is something very scary, unusual, looking for some kind of trick everywhere, waiting for something negative and punishment everywhere. I feel very sorry for her, it makes me shudder. Also, "at home" does not see any real support, only reproaches, looks like: "why are you alive, and not someone else." It is difficult physically, mentally, psychologically and everything only aggravates this condition.
Last seasons were shot in some big colors, and now everything is really too gloomy, only gray prevails and even at maximum brightness it is difficult to see something. This adds its own "charm" and only aggravates the picture.
But for a moment, June buried that murdered woman with her own hands. At the same time, if anyone finds out that this woman was in the house at all, they will hang everyone, June, Martha, and the commander and his wife. Naturally, June pretends that nothing happened, for the sake of her own and everyone's safety.
The idea of trying to destroy Gilead from the outside baffles me, to be honest. This is an entire state, armed to the teeth. How exactly can one person destroy it? Imagine that you need to personally destroy, well, for example, the United Arab Emirates. What will be your actions? No, it's simply impossible. Inside Gilead, June's chances of getting her daughter out are not zero, which is why she stayed. June knows where her daughter lives, she also knows that there is an underground resistance that can help, so she climbs into it, headlong.
This is pure manipulation. The commanders, the owners of the houses invented and implemented a regime of regular violence and the expectation of offspring. Although the logic in this is 0.0% . If they were interested in population growth, everything could be done much more efficiently, easier. Women who have retained fertility should generally be carried on their hands.. It was possible to provide them with separate housing, or arrange a special town where the best IVF doctors would work with them. And get regular pregnancies without all this drama. But since most highly educated specialists opposed religious tyranny, they were executed. Only those who agreed to compromise their principles and swore allegiance to the regime survived. Instead of a simple medical procedure, rituals, instead of respect and gratitude for motherhood, are the maximum humiliation of women capable of conception.
When someone has unique qualities, there are only a couple of ways to encourage a person to share it: 1. to guarantee a reward worthy of this uniqueness - special rights, privileges, financial compensation
2. forced alienation of what others do not possess - moral, physical pressure, deprivation of the right to dispose of their uniqueness.
The Gala_ad command chose the path No.2. How to get a woman who was independent, working, educated yesterday to give birth regularly and not spend too much on it? Create a sect. To convince women that giving birth is their only duty and the meaning of existence. For any attempt to shake the rights, immediately brutally demonstratively punish, so that others would not be offended.
In that episode, everyone who followed June's example and refused to stone a neighbor in misfortune should have understood that there would be consequences. They couldn't have been there. Their hope was that the tormentors would not kill them all at once, since they were so valuable. They weren't killed. It's not June's fault. The cattle who turned them into slaves and tortured them are to blame.
All the male characters in the series, even Luke, are terribly annoying. There are also weaklings, all men. Well, it's more of a tribute to the genre.
Lawrence is clearly not that simple, especially since he is the author of the colonies. Only a seriously ill person could create such a thing. This is the GULAG in the new version.
Well, I'm still happy for my Emily. And for Moira too) Emily's call to her wife - my God, this is one of the most tender and touching moments of the series)
And Lydia is a filthy creature, of course.
Typical fgm/hgm . The sectarian fanaticism of the primitive brain.
She can barely stand on her feet and is ready to kill for filthy idols, and not ostentatiously, but alone without witnesses. I believed in my own nonsense. The highest degree of selfless service to the idea.
Lydia is an ideological creature. She was brainwashed very, very well.
And now to all those who are annoyed by June: guys, yes, she's being careless, but she can't sit idly by. And especially when I realized that there are those who think like her (or almost like her).
Момент звонка Эмили тронул сердечко.
- А церемония? По нашим данным, плодотворное время Джозефовной было недавно.
- Ага, все супер.
Или
- Интересно, какой у этих штук (электрошокеров) заряд...
Надеюсь, он не разочарует в итоге
Новый сезон идет по ощущениям тяжеловато, ибо основная идея исчерпана, и до концовки зрителя тянут максимально эмоциональными, резкими вставками, от которых немного перегружается общая картина.
Коммандор Лоренс дико интересный персонаж, возлагаю на него большие надежды. И становится невыносимо интересно, что там с его женушкой такое.
Но он явно психически неуравновешен, поэтому подставу точно следует ожидать.
Оч странный дом. Я, если честно, не особо даже поняла эту серию
Там никакой неловкости между ними, Марте вообще пофиг, у неё другие цели в жизни.
Она точно так же жаждет власти и упивается ею, как и другие "герои" Гилеада. Что её власть над Сереной во время беременности, что сейчас, когда её хозяин позволяет ей творить что хочет.
Наверное она считает, что ей нечего терять - ведь она смирилась с тем, что останется здесь умирать. Но у других могут быть другие планы на жизнь, и не все хотят закончить на стене.
Я надеялась, Джун что-то поняла тогда у стены после неудавшегося побега, и всё твердила "это моя вина". Но нет. Или слишком быстро у неё выветрилось это из головы.
И чисто технический вопрос: она только-только кормила грудью, разве она уже готова к родам, разве у неё уже есть овуляция, что её так быстро определили в другой дом?
Всю серию думала где я видела марфу в доме Джозефа, оказывается эта подружка "Ника" из публичного дома.
Джуд в этой серии больше бесила.