@mankv: The whole series is about trying to circumvent the main problem in the series (as well as in scientific and philosophical discussions about the possibilities of time travel) - Novikov's principle of self-consistency. So he's not even trying to outwit Adam, but time itself.
@Dvoreckii: Still, the characters are hoping for some kind of butterfly effect (regarding time), but by the Jonas/Adam problem, I meant the fact that Adam already has Jonas' memories. He knows how the middle and younger Jonas will act at a certain moment, i.e. it is impossible to beat him, he himself tried the same way.
In addition, there is a chance that the Novikov principle is not known in the universe, which is why everyone has a hope to change the past /present/ future.
And for the information about the principle of self-consistency, thank you, I read it.
@mankv: The following variations are likely: 1) Perhaps he does not have these memories and he did not try, provided that the cycle was not started again and did not enter recursion, because Jonas the average seeks to break the cycle. 2) Perhaps Adam's plan implies something more than it seems to the average Jonas, and all the attempts of the average to outwit Adam are an integral part of Adam's own plan.
And in general, of course, the number of local time loops is off the scale, there are no longer loops, but a temporary Mobius strip to the n-degree)))
@mankv: there was a mention of a white hole in the series, which is just Novikov's hypothesis. So it is definitely known about it there, here I believe the usual human stubbornness
@mankv: Well, yes, it's kind of weird...trying to outsmart an older version of yourself is somehow absurd...if he knew at that moment that he would eventually become Adam. So it's logical that he won't succeed. It's not clear... some kind of puzzle is missing, but I think everything will be explained later.
@Tatyana_Gorkaya: or maybe Adam knows something that the average Jonas doesn't know. I mean, Adam might not be a negative character in the end. Perhaps he is forced to do something that seems bad from the outside.
@mankv: Yes, they are all fighting with themselves there. They try to fix something in the course of time, but in fact they just repeat themselves and go in circles.
@mankv: most have already seen the finale and know everything for sure. but something tells me that Adam is not that simple. He was able to create a wormhole, and it was easier to mislead the kid by making an "artificial" scar on his neck. Adam is clearly acting out of his own interests.
@dust_space: I also didn't understand why the scar on his neck was proof, given that Adam looks more like a man who survived an explosion at a nuclear power plant, and in the future we were shown that everyone was hanged. And if Adam knows all the events, it's not difficult to impersonate someone else.
@fb1023591: Yes, this is absolutely illogical! Well, apparently, by the time he becomes average/ 49-year-old Jonas, he will know that Adam has deceived him after all, then Adam is not Jonas! Otherwise, all these actions of the average Jonas are simply absurd!
With each episode, my brain perceives what is happening less and less :D Tell me, please, do different "versions" of the same person have different experiences at different historical intervals? In theory, this is not so, because an adult Jonas, who is now in our worthless kind of needs to know what his past version is doing = meets his future version. That is, he survived it all.
What is interesting about Claudia's contribution to the common cause, because apparently, her young version still decided to start what she asked her from the future?
A separate admiration for the cast, the creators tried to find really similar actors of different ages for one character.
@berrynice: Well, so far all the "old" versions remembered meeting with themselves in a younger time. To be honest, so far there has not been a single paradox, for which I am very grateful to the scriptwriters. So Jonas (unless he has managed to create an alternate time course, but there is no hint of that) remembers everything and knows everything.
@berrynice: And I'm also surprised by the fact that Jonas's mother knew little Mikkel in the past, and in the present, the same boy is the son of her lover. Had she never seen him? They live nearby. How is this even explained?
@-Finch-: as they wrote in the comments to the first season, most likely, as an adult, she barely remembered what he was like as a child. In the same way, Mikkel's mother saw him as a teenager, but over time it disappeared from her memory. No one thinks about such things, that's why they didn't notice. Another thing is that they have photos of little Mikkel from the same school, for example, but apparently no one paid attention to them either.
@berrynice: That's what I'm talking about. She didn't catch a glimpse of him-they studied together, and later she became his wife. She had childhood photos anyway, plus they all had school photos in common. Their town is small, everyone knows each other, it's very strange that no one noticed anything.
@-Finch-: It's just strange to start thinking, "Oh my God, is this time travel, he's in the past, he's in the present," especially since Mikkel is a child, he grew up and didn't always have exactly the same appearance, yes, he looks like it, but then again, no one thinks about time travel. time. You might have thought, "what a coincidence, so similar," and that's a thought. Hannah didn't really look at Mikkel.
@-Finch-: I don't remember what my face looks like (I couldn't make a sketch), let alone what the faces of the people I went to school with looked like)
I'm from the future here, but I want to get involved in the conversation) I think even if she had noticed the striking resemblance, she would have thought it was his son. It's definitely not that it's him.And since she apparently didn't care about him, because she loved Ulrich, she didn't even think about it.
@Pasternag: moreover, these are the same people who write that by the release of the second season they had completely forgotten what was in the first and who is who. although the seasons are clearly not watching with a gap of 33 years)
Well, I couldn't believe that Adam was Jonas. This is completely unexpected. It's like you're watching a TV series, everything seems to be sorted out, and then bam! and another twist. It's incredibly annoying that in our present tense, everyone is hiding everything from each other and trying to figure something out individually. We would have told each other everything a long time ago. What I'm most interested in is how a deaf mute got to this point.
@lasforry: by the way, it's a logical chain to some extent: a schoolboy boy, then a single man, then something like a wise old man who knows that nothing can be changed. The term "Main villain" is too cliched for this series, I'm really sure that it will be written so coolly that it will look logical to us how Jonas became Adam. Because there were no subsidences in the OSBO lines)
@Saloed: The chain may be logical, but is it logical that the average Jonas has known for a long time that he is Adam himself and is trying to outwit him (Adam) anyway?! After all, Adam knows everything that Jonas knows, plus 33 more years of events that the average Jonas has no idea about yet! Therefore, I hope that Adam has deceived the young Jonas right now (the scar on his neck is not proof) and it's not Jonas, otherwise all the actions in the series of the average Jonas are simply absurd!
It occurred to me that the average Jonas might not want to stop Adam, but everything he does is to make sure that everything goes the way he needs it (=Adam) 🤔
Fuck. When in the last episode I liked a comment like "Think about it, this is Jonas, a crazy thought." How am I yelling now. But....in the end, when Adam finally came, I noticed the neck (which was closed) and the pdc, as I doubted. And at the moment Adam said that traveling leaves a mark (physically, on the body), I finally saw the light. Jonas's life was frayed to such an extent that he turned into Adam due to endless travel from one time to another (he covered about 150 years) Oh. My poor tiny brain.
If I saw my sixty-year-old version all disfigured and doing all sorts of crap, I would slap myself in the neck and send me to labor re-education. Shocked how Jonas restrained himself from this
@glam: And it turns out that all this (the whole movie) is happening in the head of Jonas, who has gone crazy from his father's suicide and is in a mental hospital.
@Nathanson: that doesn't change the fact that the Adam-Jonas twist is pretty banal and obvious. Personally, I also suspected this at the time of viewing.
@vk775121: I was watching "Secrets of Haven" (TV series) recently, the main character is also in all times at the same age, and the surprise is one of the main villains, well, except for very recent events, when she was already "defeated". There was something similar in "Continuum" too, the one who fought with someone eventually became the one he fought with. I didn't watch "Fringe" until the end, but there was an alternate GG who was a villain in one period, I don't know how it ended up in the end. Krh, where there are some temporary movements or something similar, it is not always, but it often occurs, the problem is rather to recall such works about displacement directly, rather than whether there is a similar move in them.
It is clear that Katarina is in grief and complete depression due to the loss of her husband and son, but still she is the most annoying character in the series. Both in my youth and now. Hell knows, on the one hand, I'm glad for Ulrich that he found out that his son was still alive, on the other hand, if he had disappeared into a madhouse without knowing anything, his fate would have turned out to be really dark and creepy. It seems that all the people in that photo (the Wanderers) are residents of Vinden, solyanka from different times, i.e. there are no unknown people there.
@ogoltelo: What the hell did she do now? Shut up Hannah, her husband's lover? Did you call it all nonsense? So this is a normal reaction of a normal person, especially one who has lost half of his family.
@sugary_smell: Well, she's been such a redneck since high school...rude to everyone, fighting) beat up Regina, even as an adult. Of course, anyone can be pissed off, but she's done a lot of bad things in her entire life.
@ogoltelo: And I feel sorry for her. To lose my son and my husband, and then realize this.... and if she also strains her brain and remembers her youth, how she pushed and teased her own son... how to survive this? Now you also need to realize that your son married his husband's mistress, and her son is your grandson. In general, it's just a treat.
@ogoltelo: There is an excuse for Katarina's actions, which cannot be said about Hannah, who, after her husband's death, destroyed another family and was so fixated on how to annoy Julrich that she did not keep track of her own son... Yes, in the place of the same Katarina, Hannah would have already shot herself.
@Heisen_berg: and Ulrich himself is not able to understand that it is not necessary to fool someone else's woman? Or does it only work one way? He betrayed his wife, then betrayed Hannah (even if he hadn't promised her anything, but the female brain took it as betrayal), so on the one hand, she can also be understood - although the fact that her actions did not harm Ulrich, but his family, does not justify her.
And as a result, Katarina also takes it out on others, i.e. the same filth, only because of her natural stupidity, she is not so capable of manipulation.
I've already forgotten how Katarina came out of the cave. Do you remember at all? I remember that she went to the cave to look for her son and husband, but I can't imagine how she came back. Yes, she's not a real character, but I was glad that the creators remembered her after four episodes))
really, my head is spinning from all the movements, permutations and interweaving of characters and destinies. I have to slow down the viewing periodically to figure out who?Where? And why? cool kneading!)
@ArkadyUkupnik: Well, as bae, they were well aware that they were leaving him in great danger. You weren't taught by your parents to be a normal person, were you?
So their parents did the same to Regina as a child (I'm talking about Ulrich and his wife). The idea of leaving the guy in the cave was just the same for their daughter
Well, by the way, the idea of how children repeat the fate of their parents is smoothly winding through the entire series. "Darkness flows from parents to children" Ulrich is stuck in another time, and so is his son. Yones' father hanged himself, and Yones almost got hanged too. Tideman's women give up on their daughters. Tronte couldn't find his son, and his second son couldn't find his own.
In fact, there was no clear reason to throw Bartosz in the dark like that. Just ppc, it was a pity for him. First you love a person, and then he leaves you alone, tied up, in a cave. Trash in general
@MadinaSadirova: Really, the audience knows about some kind of mutations, but why are classmates so wild all of a sudden? We were hanging out together yesterday, hello
In this episode, I finally got everything sorted out, who's who, what they're all doing, and so on. And most importantly, in the last scene, I'm sitting and thinking that Jonas should have three (???) and it crept into my head, suddenly Adam is Jonas and here is Hoba.
By the way, for some reason it seems to me that everyone will end up being related, but Jonas has already become related to Noah, for example.
Was I the only one who was scared when Jonas Jr. suddenly emerged from the grass at the very beginning? I'm sitting there, looking at the field, the forest, flies buzzing, insects chirping, and then there's such a suffocating ta-daaaam! The episode is full of harsh surprises. But how cool everything is done.
I wonder how Jonas came to look like Adam, and I think it seems that the whole of Winden is one big family from the interweaving of the time lines of descendants.
I really liked the questions that the new detective is asking. They are very logical and it is strange that his predecessors did not think about this before.
Wow, it's started! I just sat on pins and needles for the whole hour on this episode, fucking every five minutes. And along the way, of course, rejoicing that there are four more episodes and a whole season ahead. Claudia-86's journey in 2019 is shown exactly as it should be, how she reacted to technological advances, and how surprised she was when she heard about Alexander Tidemann..I was just jumping in my head and rejoicing from every second, from how harmonious, unexpected and interesting everything was. It feels like this episode has decided to dramatically accelerate forward all the lines that have been slowly unfolding up to this point, and it's DAMN AMAZING! The kids realized that their parents were behaving strangely and joined forces in search of the truth, moms are running around with black eyes and are about to fall into the past themselves, the Jonas know something, and (I really hope) they will bring this outrage on the temporary Winden tape in the right direction, although apparently the "right" here - this is one where everyone is scattered across different eras :D
Now the series is completely different from where it once began.: who would have thought that a dark fairy tale with constant rain and family secrets of several people would unfold into a vivid grandiose confrontation between different times, different people, different-aged copies of themselves and atomic barrels. I write under each episode how much I admire this work, and it's still not enough to express my feelings) See you in the next~
@Zhe_Nya: as for Klava's trip to Russia in 2019, she is generally the most experienced traveler at the moment) everyone else is running around with bulging eyes and asking the first person they meet the question "what year is it?") And she went to the library and let's immediately read spoilers for the next 33 years) I also printed out everything)
P.S. by 2025, the comment threads of viewers from different times (19-25) are so intertwined that they look as confusing as the plot of the series)
@Soko: This question has been bothering me since the first season, too. I can't believe that this feature of his was introduced into the series just like that. After all, in the first season he was wearing a fresh bandage, which means that the accident happened somewhere shortly before the start of the series or in parallel with it. There must be some connection. In addition, in this episode, his story about the loss of an eye was cut off in mid-sentence. It's not all for nothing.
@v86: Most of all, it looked like an internal joke. Like the scriptwriters are: "Now, many people write and ask in interviews what's wrong with his eye, but it doesn't matter at all, we just did it that way. It'll be funny if a new character asks him, he'll start talking, and then he'll just keep talking."
Dada, after 14 episodes of the entire series, this question has finally been asked! And asked by a dude who's not from Winden at all! It seems that for the residents of Winden, a one-eyed policeman is OK and there is no need to find out / ask / offer help to such a person.
I'm also surprised that a guy with a blindfold drives a car.Visibility is reduced, if the eye does not see, then driving is prohibited. And he's also a policeman....
@KristinaZasorina: It really depends on the legislation, and on what kind of vision is in the remaining eye - my grandfather has a glass eye and he has been driving quietly all his life (Belarus)
@Stepanushka: But what if the inspector is the real Alexander, from whom our Fake Alexander (Boris) requisitioned a second passport?
When he asked him about his real last name, I forgot how to breathe. And then he also hinted that he would go to Hannah, who was just aware of the secret.
And I thought at that moment that he might be a relative of the real Alexander, because it seemed to me that the fake Alexander took his name because he died. And a policeman might be looking for his brother, for example..
and as that policeman noticed, almost none of the residents of Vinden left it and all lived their lives only in this city. as if caught in this place and its time loops, in which their lives and the lives of their ancestors move in an interdependent circle, as if creating eternal circles of hell. and even those who know about time travel cannot change anything and are forced to repeat actions that have already been repeated before, because otherwise, by changing something, they will erase themselves, and maybe even entire lines of their ancestors, both in the past and in the future.
At its core, what is happening in Winden resembles a trap of the devil, who, creating the illusion of hopelessness and compulsion of what is happening, sucks the souls out of people trapped in this trap, using them as fuel in his "engine". in some book (or game, I don't remember anymore), one could "fall out" of such a series of recurring events only by allowing oneself to be erased (this is when Jonas Sr. asked Jonas Jr. if he was ready to erase himself by taking Mikkel with him into the future, because he wasn't born then)
@Villariba: moreover, Jonas Sr. (who is not Adam) is trying to break the very mechanism of this anomaly without erasing himself. But so far, all he's managed to do is turn into Adam.
@Villariba: Oh, yeah! moreover, Jonas himself wants to break the cycle, but is afraid to look into the simplest, lying on the surface solution - just NOT to do as it should be. To bring Mikkel back. Disappear. But it's scary, because it means your own death. That's why he runs like a squirrel in a wheel, already knowing what it will lead to.
@Villariba: but if he is not born, then who will take Mikkel into the future?)) And, it seems to me, this moment is not the only one that turned everything around.
The final twist turned out to be spectacular and much more unexpected than in the first season, but it raises a number of questions... If Jonas is essentially fighting with Jonas (Adam, the travelers), as his older version claims in the series, then it's strange that the younger Jonas simply didn't reveal himself somewhere before, thereby stopping himself and all these temporary misadventures. (One way or another, everyone is trying to circumvent the paradox of certainty). From this plot contradiction, the conclusion suggests itself that perhaps the elder Jonas is also acting according to Adam's plan and not everything is so simple ...
P.S. I will laugh if the series ends with Jonas simply bringing Mikkel back in time, which is exactly the same as not giving birth to Jonas in principle.
Initially, I would have had the same reaction to everything that was happening as Katerina.
Well, more and more heroes are finding out the truth, X-day is approaching (what the new cycle means is still not clear), the twist with Adam is confusing, which will not be clear at all now! Let's look further!
Thanks to netflix for the whole season at once!
The scriptwriters of many TV series need to learn from the scriptwriters who wrote this series. It's something with something! The way they famously twist the plot, you just need to be able to!
@ramill: I even had the same reaction as a spectator, and I laughed out loud with her.) When you put it together in your head, everything seems to be fine, but when the character says it out loud, for some reason it seemed very funny)
Well, as for the plot twist, I think it's more important how they spin it back later) But I agree, everything looks very well-coordinated at the moment.
The adult Jonas is clearly aware of what is happening and contributes to what is happening . The cop asks very sarcastic questions. He's probably fighting against everyone, alone. Well, all that was missing was that perhaps the most adequate character actually turned out to be a baby goat. My brain is struggling with information. I wonder if the scriptwriters will get tangled up in their own tangle or not? ) and this room in the final scene, it's tin, so much Illuminati..
In short, everyone here is writing, like what, Jonas and Adam are the same person and blablabla, and I fucking read it on Wikipedia on the third episode. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert!
@Kholopovarita: I haven't seen a diagram showing all three of them. Only Jonas/Wanderer. I have a diagram from the beginning of the second season, in short. There are no questionable family ties from the end of the season. And the question is, how do you draw a family tree after such connections?
@Avesscita: and I learned when I included the 2-series 2nd season, watch this and don't understand, but they say that Adam is Jonas, well, like before, not all was clear, and then do a complete mess, look beyond just not catching up and only on the 20th minute see what this 2nd episode of the 3rd season🙄😄
@Avesscita: Can't this be considered a spoiler?(( there are discussions above that a scar can be drawn to lure young Jonas, but with such confirmation from Wikipedia, you can no longer figure out the options
I was surprised by the teenagers who beat and tied Bartosz up for meeting him in a cave. not in my personal territory, no. just in a cave in the middle of a public forest. Why is there so much aggression towards a man who was in a place where he had every right to be?
Why are you all bothering these teenagers, I don't understand. They went to check out the cave, where some strange things were clearly happening and perhaps it was connected with the disappearances in some way, according to their guesses, and there they suddenly met Bartosz with a suitcase, who had been dishonest before. By his behavior, he made it clear that he was hiding something and did not want to tell them, so he ended up tied up there.
The inspector gives the impression that he was sent to purgatory in 7 days to find out if these sinners are ready for redemption this time, or if we are starting everything over again.
it seems to me, or in order to stop this moronic wheel of repetitions, it was just necessary to immediately, damn it, bring Mikel back to his time?)0 and that's it, there would be no Jonas, Adam, and no one would go crazy for this sect))
after all, the idea is that Jonas is the time error, isn't it? like there would be no cars, passages, it would also not be
this mess is taking my brains out specifically, my bose
@vur-fur: I've been following this idea since the very beginning of the series. Moreover, the further into the forest, the more unclear it is why Jonas Sr. avoids this decision as much as possible, if he is already so tired and ready to do anything to destroy the cycle. Anything but suicide?) For some reason, in the context of what is happening, it turns out to be even a little selfish on his part. After all, he knows his future, SUCH a future.. But Mikkel will not be returned, not)
@Shunnimi: as it seemed to me, time flows synchronously in all time intervals. that is, if today is November 20, 2019, then there is no way I will get to November 19 either at 86, 53, or 20. And a cycle change is when the current time period becomes the next one, that is, people from the year 86 live on their own until 2019 and they may have November 19, 2019 again. Therefore, I can assume that Jonas decided that in this cycle we are trying not to bring Mikel home, and see what happens) It turned out to be bullshit, and therefore these "sikmundists" are so waiting for the new cycle to try again a new plan. And that's why they take notes so carefully in their notebooks so that next time the bullshit doesn't come out again, as they say, "do everything well, the bullshit will work out on its own") Well, the issue of suicide has apparently been postponed as the last option, and the previous theories have not all been tested.
I told my wife right after the last episode of the first season that when the second one comes out, we're unlikely to remember who/what/when. I watched a short video on YouTube, but I still racked my brain for 3 episodes. I haven't downloaded the infographic yet. The puzzle of the characters has developed, now it's easier to find meaning in what is happening. The series is excellent, the main thing is to finish it beautifully, without slipping into delirium.
I also thought it was my father, but at the same time I understood that this was nonsense, how could he be walking around there as a dead man But yes, the scriptwriters confused us with this move, well done😌
But why, if the average person wanted to change something so much, couldn't he do something different when meeting the younger version?.. At least I'd get a parallel timeline or something.
Ohhh, that was totally unexpected and cool and shocking, and young Jonas had such a fat tear roll down, the moment was 100% transmitted, you also open your mouth and go, "What???!......"
Ahah, I jokingly said after Noah's confession that you met me already (young): what if Adam says now, "I am you, you are me" and sang the lines from the song too)))
There are so many mysteries discussed here, but no one paid attention to the number of candles in Adam's room. I wonder how they keep them burning? Gorenje. Can you imagine how painful it is to constantly change them? They must have a whole warehouse full of candles. And who is doing such a thankless job? Here's a riddle that the series will never answer :)
When in the previous episode they showed how Jonas dreams of Martha and that "we are made for each other, don't believe anyone if they say otherwise" and in this one, that she already dreams the same thing, my heart broke forever :(why is it so beautiful and sad. I want to believe that they will somehow be together.
@yurkaaaa: And there is also a non-zero option that he is her great-grandfather)) Jonas will now grow up from the age of 21, and there's pretty Agnes maturing next to him)
For some reason, I still can't believe that Jonas is Adam. After all, Noah said that Adam would guide Jonas on the path that was prepared for him. Why not cheat?))))
In the second season, they combined some characters, removed others, began to devote more time to the development of storylines, and now the story finally looks like one. And you worry about the heroes. And the interest is not sustained by a constant change of focus. Although the number of moments where a person says something mysterious and leaves, or where the story is interrupted, is simply overwhelming. I love riddles, but when they try to impress the viewer with the same effect for a season and a half, it starts to annoy. For example, at the beginning of the series, Noah's appearance was an intrigue. Now you see some kind of landscape, disturbing music is playing, and you're already looking at it with thoughts like, "Come on, show Noah for a minute and a half and get it over with, you're not going to say anything anyway." I don't even want to talk about the "What's wrong with your eye" moment. This approach is bad because it's easy to get riddles to the point where they no longer matter. That's what happened to Noah. Well, the guys who left Bartosz in the cave were enraged. Yes, he's hiding something. But that's no reason to leave him tied up there. As if lying is the only evil that destroys lives in Winden. And none of the three even protested. Great. But in general, I like the second season and it's very addictive.
Well, at a more mature age, this is normal, the difference can be 10, 20 years or more. I was talking more about this moment here, where she's still very young.
I don't think that's the style of this series. So far, no character is himself and his relative at the same time. It is unlikely that the scriptwriters will decide to turn the series into a joke.
Kick-ass, of course. To find out that your father is a missing boy, to find out that the girl you're in love with is your aunt, to live in the past, to live in the future, to see a version of yourself +33 years old, to see your girlfriend's grave, to live in an even bigger past, to see a scary version of yourself +66 years old. And at the same time, everyone should not go like a cuckoo. Although judging by the +66 version, it is still unclear whether this has been fully achieved. Bring the poor boy home in 2020
Hmm, really? All the fuss about believing in God, the devil, and prophecy?! Not because of science, causality, or even power or guns? What the hell is this? What for? What is the purpose? What is this organization and kidnappings for? Zacheeee?!
The series is addictive, but this question just haunts me, why is that all?
In the previous season, Noah seemed to be telling Bartosz how a long time ago they had sheltered a man who looked like he had returned from the war and was constantly muttering unintelligibly in his sleep, until one day Noah couldn't make out the words. This Noah story is very similar to what was shown in this episode.
...Years ago, I was still a little boy. A stranger came to us. He looked as if he'd been in the war. Didn't talk much. There was this sadness in his eyes. The kind you sometimes see in those who want to die, but life won't let them. He took a room in our house. The bedroom right next to mine. And... sometimes I heard him talk in his sleep. Confused words. But one night, he was suddenly very clear. He stood in the hallway, his eyes wide open, and said...
"Nothing is in vain. Not a single breath. Not a single step, not a single word. Not pain. An eternal miracle of the One."
I didn't understand any of his words. Only years later, when I felt the pain, did I understand what he meant. That none of the horrible things that befall us should be in vain. That they make us what we are. That they give us our strength.
It's quite expected that this is Jonas. At least for me. From the very beginning of the series, it is clear how much he doubted when making decisions. It wasn't long before they brought it up to the fact that the girl who dressed elegantly was somehow related to someone there. It 's hard to explain , but it was intuitive.
@VoloshynaA: By the way, I also realized in the first season on the first episode that Jonas is Adam. That's how I figured it out. On an intuitive level. It's hard to explain. I almost quit the series because I was so quick-witted and saw through the whole plot right away.
It seems that the appearance of the book "with predictions", books about time and time machines will not be shown, as they explained that when an object from the future turns out to be in the past, before the moment of its creation, then it is no longer necessary to invent it, and thus the moment of its creation is erased.
@Liza: but there were a lot of answers in the series and so many lines were closed! Amazing! More and more, I want to review it first, so that I can look at the characters knowing that they already know something about time travel (or will find out later).
I remember the moment when the gang of Hannah, Peter, Charlotte and the grown-up Jonas found out everything, sitting in the bunker, all staring at one point and silent. Everyone has such faces, it's obvious that they're tired of fucking everything they've learned. They looked just like me, who had watched all these episodes in one gulp .
It's cool that in the series, even the smallest details are spelled out... After all, Ulrich and Katarina also left Regina tied up in the forest, and now their children and Bartosz are doing it. You can immediately see the apple from the apple tree... from the ending, I'm in a wild whoop, like, WELL, HOW? I could have guessed anyone, but definitely not Jonas, because they even have different face shapes... But damn, it's so cool. It seems that you already know all the loopholes, twists, and are trying to predict, but the series surprises you even more every time. I really feel sorry for Jonas, he has "TAKE ME TO A FOOL!!!" right on his forehead.
When Claudia reads the information about her daughter's wedding: a photo of a new detective flashed in the invitation, so he's Alexander the younger?! yes wtf
I hate characters like Martha. In every series, there should be such a goofy suffering hysterical woman who commands everyone and everyone surprisingly obeys her.
Jonas Sr. spoiled the ending of the episode:( When in the bunker, looking at the image of Claudia, he said, "She tried to stop everything, but in the end she became the one she was fighting with," it became clear that he was Adam.
After season 1, it seemed that Agnes had run away from her husband. In the last episode, Noah told her that Adam wouldn't take her back. Does this mean that Adam is Agnes' husband? And then the most interesting thing is Tronte's father, Ulrich's grandfather, Mikkel's great-grandfather, his own great-great-grandfather? Now my brain is broken even more :(
By the way, in episode 3 of season 1, at 18:18, you can see the emerald tablet of Sic Mundus. It is located in Ulrich's room in 1986. Alas, there is no pro to show the screenshot.
My naive brain hopes that in the end they will make sure that there are no time loops and events develop normally, as they should have initially, so that no one disappears and everyone is happy) But I think it's impossible...
But I wonder what it meant that Claudia became the one she wanted to destroy?? Maybe she wanted to break the loop, but she started it herself, giving herself hints from the past. And why is Adam going to start the last cycle? What will happen after it? A lot of questions
The idea that Jonas was Adam crept in when he and Noah were talking about Bartosz and that he "always was like that." I liked how Adam told Jonas the same thing that Jonas told the average Jonas.
Still, I don't understand how the adult Michael lived next to the little Mikkel... Yes, it is clear that both versions of you can be in the same time period (as it turned out). but based on the previous episodes, all these meetings were short-lived. And here they lived side by side for several years. What was he experiencing? seeing himself as a child (it's clear that they didn't see each other every day, but still).
It's just that my thoughts are not related to this series.
Friends, can you tell me what I can read to get a closer look at what is happening in the series?🤣🙈 And somehow everything is unclear and in general ... these loops, holes, travels... I would like to understand the issue.
I've been wondering for a long time. If someone from 1986 climbs into the tunnel in 2019, and at the same time someone from 2019 climbs into 1986. Will they meet in the middle?
What is the cycle of Jonas in nature:D said 20 minutes before the series finale: but think about it, Jonas and Adam are the same bullshit. And after a minute: oh, no, that's nonsense :D
1. Claudia taps her finger on the screen in the library in 2019, like on a typewriter)) the sound is audible, even such small details are thought out in the series.
2. The policeman's eye, which he did not have time to tell about - I will applaud the scriptwriters if this is the only non-closed question of the series for the finale.
3. The men were allowed to cry - the tears on the face of the young Jonas and the wet eyes of the old one, very cool
What did you mean, Claudia became the one she was fighting? Maybe she wanted to break the noose, but she created it herself? Sending messages to yourself from the past
In general, it seems to me that Jonas will definitely hook up with Agnes and be born Touched (agnes can leave her maiden name Nilson and then it turns out Noah is also Nilson), since the average Jonas no longer had any feelings for Marta (well, it was not shown and he did not try to see her). But it will be strange, of course, if Jonas stays in the past for 30 years. And in general, all these time movements affect only 4 families (except for the 2 murdered boys from 2019), which may have originated from each other.
Adam tells Jonas that you are me, so the adult Jonas (the wanderer) must know this (that he is Adam)? But later, when an adult Jonas talks to Hannah, Charlotte and Peter in the bunker, he tells them about Adam as another stranger (why doesn't he tell them at this stage that he is Adam?). On the one hand, it is clear that the writers wanted to keep the intrigue for the series finale. On the other hand, logically, he should have told them a little more than uttering a mysterious monologue and leaving the bunker. When will Jonas tell them that he is Adam? Or won't he tell you? We have not yet been told at what stage and why Jonas/Adam became antagonistic with Claudia. Interesting. Everyone has climbed into the caves, so there will definitely be more time travelers.
@Lena_Che: I totally agree! I already wrote above, but I repeat: the average Jonas (wanderer) knows that he is Adam! And by his age, he should be well aware that he is trying to outwit not just Adam, but in fact time itself! That is, all his actions that have been shown to us up to this point, they don't make sense, they're just absurd! The only thing he could do to end all these cycles was to self-heal, allowing young Jonas to bring Mikkel back from 1986! Therefore, I still hope that either there is some more twist waiting for us with Jonas, or Adam is not Jonas, he just deceived him with a specific purpose, yes! (Is the mark on the neck proof? I'm begging you)
I was the only one wondering how Jonas obeyed Noah. in fact, the main villain, and he follows him, listens to him + average Jonas said that Claudia fought evil until she became it, it seems Adam is not the main villain, but Claudia
Awesome! I never expected it to be Jonas!!! Shocking content is simple! It's very interesting what's next, and it's already one-thirty in the morning. 🙈
At first, it seemed trivial that everyone was some kind of friend/relative/version of themselves from another time... but now it's kind of known about everyone, connected.... and... What now?
By the way, why did Jonas have to get into this particular ball to jump through time? Why wasn't it possible to climb into the cave again in this 2053 or whatever? Maybe it was mentioned and I missed something.
Paradoxically, this is one of the most understandable episodes for me and one of the best. I began to understand what was happening at the same time with the characters. Maybe that's how it was intended)
I really like the second season. Much more than the first one. I began to suspect that Adam was Jonas when Jonas the average said about Claudia: "She became the one she was fighting against." When they showed young Noah waiting for Jonas Jr. to wake up, the hunch was reinforced. However, I couldn't formulate it, I had a premonition purely on the level of sensations. And I was glad that my feelings were correct. I wonder how everything will connect in the end.
Oh, I 'm so sorry for Jonas. but he knows that he won't die soon.. And by the way, why didn't he go to the caves and immediately touch this anomaly? if it was mentioned, I'm sorry, the memory is terrible
"I'll tell you the same thing my grandmother told me, because she's my mother. She said that time spent dreaming is wasted time. And she died right after that. And my sister, who was actually my mother, couldn't stand it. And my brother is a father too."
The janitor from the Clinic doesn't look so crazy anymore.
By the way, for some reason, Jonas' father still hasn't been revealed! Like why did he kill himself? How did the boy live his whole life knowing about the race and seeing familiar adults around him, the same father, mother! It turns out that they have become the same age in the present
The new detective is like the embodiment of all of us, the audience) He walks around asking logical questions. Finally, someone asked what was wrong with the policeman's eye) I won't forgive the scriptwriters if it remains a secret) Well, Jonas-Adam, of course, was lucky. I really feel sorry for his younger version, he's such a cinnamon bun, I want him to come home and everything was fine with him.
I was thinking all the time about how they took a DEAF-mute child into a cave and didn't even take her by the hand.. if you get lost, you'll find a dick later , well, at least you weren't the last in the group, and thanks for that
I know that everyone has already worked out this trauma for themselves, but I can't calm down that the Jonas have DIFFERENT COLORED EYES, damn it! Bakes are just fucked up. Well, they're running around over everything else, Claudia, presumably, in all cases, lenses are inserted, but here it's simple.
@Keihi: but what if they created parallel worlds with their movements, the people of which differ in eye color? And Claudia with different eyes fit into both of them 😂
The new detective obviously knows more than he's letting on, I wonder who he'll end up being and what role the one-eyed cop and the transvestite play. I no longer believe that anyone in this city is by chance)
While I was watching the episode, I thought that I would finish watching it and write in the comments that Jonas could be Adam. At the same time, she didn't believe it herself, but rather just thought that it would be very unexpected. And in the end, that's exactly what it is.
By the way, I also think that a policeman with one eye doesn't actually have any injury. He just has different colored eyes. He's some kind of relative of Tidemann's. They have different colored eyes.
I don't believe Adam is Jonas. There is a feeling that Jonas simply plays a key role in time loops and Adam, disfigured to such an extent and so that he cannot be identified in any way, simply imitated a similar scar on his neck on purpose. And he could have known about this scar, and done it on purpose. I wouldn't be surprised that it's not the first time he's told male characters that it's them. How else would you identify them? As for me, Ulrich could rather become Adam, Jonas, by his type of character and actions, does not pull into this role in any way.
@NtAFilms: I also had the feeling that they were different characters, because I don't see anything in common in their behavior, their playing style, or their basic appearance. At least the older Jonas has the same build and facial features as the younger one, but Adam doesn't look like any of them at all. But apparently this is a mystery, or a deliberate confusion for the viewer not to trust Adam, but everything he said is true - Adam is Jonas, there are no tricks here.
@NaruHinka: Yes, it's him after all, it's a shame( I'm looking further and somehow I'm not satisfied with the third season yet. I still reject the idea that Adam is Jonas( And even knowing what he's doing and why, I still can't feel the parallel in any way. It is clear that they were specially chosen so that it would not be clear, but because of this, the connection is lost. As you wrote above, at least I would adopt the behavior of the younger versions. As a result, Jonas is not Jonas at all, and his actions are beyond his limit, as far as I'm concerned.
@NtAFilms: Well, Walter from Breaking Bad did things at the end of the series that he wouldn't have done at the beginning, it's more like what he's been doing all this time.
It's kind of illogical, because he already knew what he would look like in the future, but he still blew himself up in a cave, and that's what caused the burns (although you might have thought of what they were from). That's why no one thought it was Adam. It's like with Ulrich, who left the scars on the boy Helga himself, even though he had seen them before, if the scars are there, it means he will survive (but at least there was a sudden situation and there was no time to think where to hit)
All the actions of the heroes lead only to the fact that what happened will happen, because you cannot change the future if the future is the result of actions in the past... The more I think about it, the more I feel like I'm going crazy.
And I knew who Adam was from the beginning, because I didn't remember the names of the characters well in the first season, so I decided to Google Jonas to make sure I remembered the names of his relatives correctly, and I found SO MANY spoilers that I'm scared. It's better to get confused about the characters and at least remember their names, rather than that's all. Hotch is still interested.
In his youth, Noah resembles a young Voldemort both in appearance and in the story of the character. I'm glad that Katarina finally found out the truth. The twist is, of course, very much in the spirit of Darkness.
Jonas gets into the future: beaten, hanged, almost killed : with Jonas gets into the past: bro, let's go eat, what's not native! Let's treat the wounds again, and don't forget a beer, a beer! :3
Comments on the series are more interesting than the series and more interesting than comments on other series and more interesting than the plots of many other series! 😁👍
@KatrinVamp: the first series where I stick in comments for longer than the series is running!)) And anyway, I'm ready to say right now that if they don't rigidly merge the finale, then this will be my second series, which I will review every few years!
And again, my guesses turned out to be correct. I'm so happy when I can put together a piece of the puzzle. That guy is not Bartosz, but Noah himself in his youth. But the end, of course, surprised me. In fact, the character of Jonas himself has not been fully revealed for almost 2 seasons. But I still didn't think he was Adam.🤔
I don't know why, but I was sure it was him. Another question is that he created Noah... That's where I'm confused. And yet, is there only one time machine? How then can Claudia, Jonas, and Bartosz have it? And the same question with the book (where the chronology of everything is recorded): if old Claudia gave it to Charlotte's husband, then where did Noah get it from?
I'm already infuriated by this series, because with each episode I understand less and less. You watch and can't remember what happened a couple of episodes ago, because the spatial-temporal connections and relationships between the characters are too confusing, they are on their own, either trying to fix something, or vice versa to support the events so as they should. The actors are great, the atmosphere, the music, I can't stop watching, but I don't understand anything anymore. I am also surprised that the opportunity to travel arose so long ago. At the beginning of the series, it seemed that all this was because of the nuclear power plant and some kind of malfunction, which is why there was a rift in time, but it turns out that it has been there for a long time. In short, I, like half of the characters, am in eternal shock from what is happening. 😅
@Jammm: look, everything will fall into place in the end :)) Well, maybe you'll have to watch the review😅 Because of the visual, I didn't regret watching it even once
@albina_albus: I watched it, and by and large the story came together, but all the same, these tangled connections infuriated the whole series. Because of the atmosphere, the pictures, and the good actors, I watched it.
Discussion: Season 2, Episode 4 Join the Discussion
318I'm afraid to imagine what's next
In addition, there is a chance that the Novikov principle is not known in the universe, which is why everyone has a hope to change the past /present/ future.
And for the information about the principle of self-consistency, thank you, I read it.
1) Perhaps he does not have these memories and he did not try, provided that the cycle was not started again and did not enter recursion, because Jonas the average seeks to break the cycle.
2) Perhaps Adam's plan implies something more than it seems to the average Jonas, and all the attempts of the average to outwit Adam are an integral part of Adam's own plan.
And in general, of course, the number of local time loops is off the scale, there are no longer loops, but a temporary Mobius strip to the n-degree)))
What is interesting about Claudia's contribution to the common cause, because apparently, her young version still decided to start what she asked her from the future?
A separate admiration for the cast, the creators tried to find really similar actors of different ages for one character.
Why is all this?
I can't stop watching episode after episode.
It's like you're watching a TV series, everything seems to be sorted out, and then bam! and another twist.
It's incredibly annoying that in our present tense, everyone is hiding everything from each other and trying to figure something out individually. We would have told each other everything a long time ago.
What I'm most interested in is how a deaf mute got to this point.
But how has Jonas changed in these two seasons! From a schoolboy boy to a single man who was beaten up by life in just a dozen episodes
The chain may be logical, but is it logical that the average Jonas has known for a long time that he is Adam himself and is trying to outwit him (Adam) anyway?! After all, Adam knows everything that Jonas knows, plus 33 more years of events that the average Jonas has no idea about yet!
Therefore, I hope that Adam has deceived the young Jonas right now (the scar on his neck is not proof) and it's not Jonas, otherwise all the actions in the series of the average Jonas are simply absurd!
Adam: I guess you have a lot of questions?
Me: YES, YES, DAMN IT, YES!!!
Yes, but Noah seems to be jumping back and forth no less, but for some reason it doesn't affect him in any way! 🙄
There was something similar in "Continuum" too, the one who fought with someone eventually became the one he fought with.
I didn't watch "Fringe" until the end, but there was an alternate GG who was a villain in one period, I don't know how it ended up in the end.
Krh, where there are some temporary movements or something similar, it is not always, but it often occurs, the problem is rather to recall such works about displacement directly, rather than whether there is a similar move in them.
Hell knows, on the one hand, I'm glad for Ulrich that he found out that his son was still alive, on the other hand, if he had disappeared into a madhouse without knowing anything, his fate would have turned out to be really dark and creepy.
It seems that all the people in that photo (the Wanderers) are residents of Vinden, solyanka from different times, i.e. there are no unknown people there.
And as a result, Katarina also takes it out on others, i.e. the same filth, only because of her natural stupidity, she is not so capable of manipulation.
Ulrich is stuck in another time, and so is his son. Yones' father hanged himself, and Yones almost got hanged too. Tideman's women give up on their daughters. Tronte couldn't find his son, and his second son couldn't find his own.
And most importantly, in the last scene, I'm sitting and thinking that Jonas should have three (???) and it crept into my head, suddenly Adam is Jonas and here is Hoba.
By the way, for some reason it seems to me that everyone will end up being related, but Jonas has already become related to Noah, for example.
In general, I was shocked.
Claudia-86's journey in 2019 is shown exactly as it should be, how she reacted to technological advances, and how surprised she was when she heard about Alexander Tidemann..I was just jumping in my head and rejoicing from every second, from how harmonious, unexpected and interesting everything was.
It feels like this episode has decided to dramatically accelerate forward all the lines that have been slowly unfolding up to this point, and it's DAMN AMAZING! The kids realized that their parents were behaving strangely and joined forces in search of the truth, moms are running around with black eyes and are about to fall into the past themselves, the Jonas know something, and (I really hope) they will bring this outrage on the temporary Winden tape in the right direction, although apparently the "right" here - this is one where everyone is scattered across different eras :D
Now the series is completely different from where it once began.: who would have thought that a dark fairy tale with constant rain and family secrets of several people would unfold into a vivid grandiose confrontation between different times, different people, different-aged copies of themselves and atomic barrels. I write under each episode how much I admire this work, and it's still not enough to express my feelings) See you in the next~
P.S. by 2025, the comment threads of viewers from different times (19-25) are so intertwined that they look as confusing as the plot of the series)
In addition, in this episode, his story about the loss of an eye was cut off in mid-sentence. It's not all for nothing.
Most of all, it looked like an internal joke. Like the scriptwriters are: "Now, many people write and ask in interviews what's wrong with his eye, but it doesn't matter at all, we just did it that way. It'll be funny if a new character asks him, he'll start talking, and then he'll just keep talking."
So much so that they're still being explained.... no one has explained(
It's just that the whole Winden knows that he chose the second answer to a well-known question, unlike his brother/ trance))
When he asked him about his real last name, I forgot how to breathe. And then he also hinted that he would go to Hannah, who was just aware of the secret.
as if caught in this place and its time loops, in which their lives and the lives of their ancestors move in an interdependent circle, as if creating eternal circles of hell.
and even those who know about time travel cannot change anything and are forced to repeat actions that have already been repeated before, because otherwise, by changing something, they will erase themselves, and maybe even entire lines of their ancestors, both in the past and in the future.
At its core, what is happening in Winden resembles a trap of the devil, who, creating the illusion of hopelessness and compulsion of what is happening, sucks the souls out of people trapped in this trap, using them as fuel in his "engine". in some book (or game, I don't remember anymore), one could "fall out" of such a series of recurring events only by allowing oneself to be erased (this is when Jonas Sr. asked Jonas Jr. if he was ready to erase himself by taking Mikkel with him into the future, because he wasn't born then)
P.S. I will laugh if the series ends with Jonas simply bringing Mikkel back in time, which is exactly the same as not giving birth to Jonas in principle.
Well, more and more heroes are finding out the truth, X-day is approaching (what the new cycle means is still not clear), the twist with Adam is confusing, which will not be clear at all now! Let's look further!
Thanks to netflix for the whole season at once!
The scriptwriters of many TV series need to learn from the scriptwriters who wrote this series. It's something with something! The way they famously twist the plot, you just need to be able to!
Well, as for the plot twist, I think it's more important how they spin it back later) But I agree, everything looks very well-coordinated at the moment.
. The cop asks very sarcastic questions. He's probably fighting against everyone, alone.
Well, all that was missing was that perhaps the most adequate character actually turned out to be a baby goat.
My brain is struggling with information. I wonder if the scriptwriters will get tangled up in their own tangle or not? )
and this room in the final scene, it's tin, so much Illuminati..
The most shocking episode so far
after all, the idea is that Jonas is the time error, isn't it? like there would be no cars, passages, it would also not be
this mess is taking my brains out specifically, my bose
Awesome series, what a great mess!
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and Bartosh was treated cruelly, it's clear that everyone is on nerves, but if they weren't so aggressive, suddenly he would have told something
oh, and how the deaf-mute infuriates me, what is in the present, what is in the future
But yes, the scriptwriters confused us with this move, well done😌
Here's a riddle that the series will never answer :)
And there is also a non-zero option that he is her great-grandfather)) Jonas will now grow up from the age of 21, and there's pretty Agnes maturing next to him)
I think the truth about Half-life 3 is written there, and since Noah almost cried, it's quite bitter.
Although the number of moments where a person says something mysterious and leaves, or where the story is interrupted, is simply overwhelming. I love riddles, but when they try to impress the viewer with the same effect for a season and a half, it starts to annoy. For example, at the beginning of the series, Noah's appearance was an intrigue. Now you see some kind of landscape, disturbing music is playing, and you're already looking at it with thoughts like, "Come on, show Noah for a minute and a half and get it over with, you're not going to say anything anyway." I don't even want to talk about the "What's wrong with your eye" moment. This approach is bad because it's easy to get riddles to the point where they no longer matter. That's what happened to Noah.
Well, the guys who left Bartosz in the cave were enraged. Yes, he's hiding something. But that's no reason to leave him tied up there. As if lying is the only evil that destroys lives in Winden. And none of the three even protested. Great.
But in general, I like the second season and it's very addictive.
So far, no character is himself and his relative at the same time.
It is unlikely that the scriptwriters will decide to turn the series into a joke.
- last summer, I went into the hut, and then I immediately asked a question..))
The series is addictive, but this question just haunts me, why is that all?
This Noah story is very similar to what was shown in this episode.
And... sometimes I heard him talk in his sleep. Confused words.
But one night, he was suddenly very clear.
He stood in the hallway, his eyes wide open, and said...
"Nothing is in vain. Not a single breath. Not a single step, not a single word. Not pain. An eternal miracle of the One."
I didn't understand any of his words. Only years later, when I felt the pain, did I understand what he meant. That none of the horrible things that befall us should be in vain. That they make us what we are. That they give us our strength.
More and more, I want to review it first, so that I can look at the characters knowing that they already know something about time travel (or will find out later).
from the ending, I'm in a wild whoop, like, WELL, HOW? I could have guessed anyone, but definitely not Jonas, because they even have different face shapes... But damn, it's so cool. It seems that you already know all the loopholes, twists, and are trying to predict, but the series surprises you even more every time.
I really feel sorry for Jonas, he has "TAKE ME TO A FOOL!!!" right on his forehead.
ps. from Noah wyba Jude Law, strong)
They're hardly the same person.
When in the bunker, looking at the image of Claudia, he said, "She tried to stop everything, but in the end she became the one she was fighting with," it became clear that he was Adam.
After season 1, it seemed that Agnes had run away from her husband. In the last episode, Noah told her that Adam wouldn't take her back. Does this mean that Adam is Agnes' husband? And then the most interesting thing is Tronte's father, Ulrich's grandfather, Mikkel's great-grandfather, his own great-great-grandfather?
Now my brain is broken even more :(
Maybe she wanted to break the loop, but she started it herself, giving herself hints from the past.
And why is Adam going to start the last cycle? What will happen after it?
A lot of questions
It's just that my thoughts are not related to this series.
And somehow everything is unclear and in general ...
these loops, holes, travels... I would like to understand the issue.
Laughed along with Katarina :D
Top 3 coolest moments of this series for me:
1. Claudia taps her finger on the screen in the library in 2019, like on a typewriter)) the sound is audible, even such small details are thought out in the series.
2. The policeman's eye, which he did not have time to tell about - I will applaud the scriptwriters if this is the only non-closed question of the series for the finale.
3. The men were allowed to cry - the tears on the face of the young Jonas and the wet eyes of the old one, very cool
Maybe she wanted to break the noose, but she created it herself? Sending messages to yourself from the past
And in general, all these time movements affect only 4 families (except for the 2 murdered boys from 2019), which may have originated from each other.
Therefore, I still hope that either there is some more twist waiting for us with Jonas, or Adam is not Jonas, he just deceived him with a specific purpose, yes! (Is the mark on the neck proof? I'm begging you)
It's very interesting what's next, and it's already one-thirty in the morning. 🙈
At first, it seemed trivial that everyone was some kind of friend/relative/version of themselves from another time... but now it's kind of known about everyone, connected.... and... What now?
It's a great series!
I wouldn't have thought Adam was Jonas. Why him??? 🤔
, you're sitting on pins and needles and you want everything to be explained at last!
I wonder how everything will connect in the end.
'm so sorry for Jonas. but he knows that he won't die soon..
And by the way, why didn't he go to the caves and immediately touch this anomaly? if it was mentioned, I'm sorry, the memory is terrible
The janitor from the Clinic doesn't look so crazy anymore.
How is Yunus going to stop it if he started it all?🥲
Well, Jonas-Adam, of course, was lucky. I really feel sorry for his younger version, he's such a cinnamon bun, I want him to come home and everything was fine with him.
, well, at least you weren't the last in the group, and thanks for that
By the way, I also think that a policeman with one eye doesn't actually have any injury. He just has different colored eyes. He's some kind of relative of Tidemann's. They have different colored eyes.
As for me, Ulrich could rather become Adam, Jonas, by his type of character and actions, does not pull into this role in any way.
I'm looking further and somehow I'm not satisfied with the third season yet. I still reject the idea that Adam is Jonas(
And even knowing what he's doing and why, I still can't feel the parallel in any way. It is clear that they were specially chosen so that it would not be clear, but because of this, the connection is lost. As you wrote above, at least I would adopt the behavior of the younger versions. As a result, Jonas is not Jonas at all, and his actions are beyond his limit, as far as I'm concerned.
It's like with Ulrich, who left the scars on the boy Helga himself, even though he had seen them before, if the scars are there, it means he will survive (but at least there was a sudden situation and there was no time to think where to hit)
All the actions of the heroes lead only to the fact that what happened will happen, because you cannot change the future if the future is the result of actions in the past... The more I think about it, the more I feel like I'm going crazy.
And I knew who Adam was from the beginning, because I didn't remember the names of the characters well in the first season, so I decided to Google Jonas to make sure I remembered the names of his relatives correctly, and I found SO MANY spoilers that I'm scared. It's better to get confused about the characters and at least remember their names, rather than that's all. Hotch is still interested.
I'm glad that Katarina finally found out the truth.
The twist is, of course, very much in the spirit of Darkness.
Jonas gets into the past: bro, let's go eat, what's not native! Let's treat the wounds again, and don't forget a beer, a beer! :3
And anyway, I'm ready to say right now that if they don't rigidly merge the finale, then this will be my second series, which I will review every few years!
But the end, of course, surprised me. In fact, the character of Jonas himself has not been fully revealed for almost 2 seasons. But I still didn't think he was Adam.🤔
And yet, is there only one time machine? How then can Claudia, Jonas, and Bartosz have it?
And the same question with the book (where the chronology of everything is recorded): if old Claudia gave it to Charlotte's husband, then where did Noah get it from?
I am also surprised that the opportunity to travel arose so long ago. At the beginning of the series, it seemed that all this was because of the nuclear power plant and some kind of malfunction, which is why there was a rift in time, but it turns out that it has been there for a long time. In short, I, like half of the characters, am in eternal shock from what is happening. 😅
(Read the continuation in the source ->)