Is Charlotte's mother Elizabeth, her daughter? I thought it couldn't be. In my understanding, the very existence of such a thing is absurd. Well, logically, it's a straight loop. That is, up to this point, all the connections were intertwined between members of different families who turned out to be relatives of each other, while not the closest. And here's a girl who's her own granddaughter, seriously?
The ending with the multiverse is somehow too much (much more complicated), but, overall, the season is just great. Elizabeth is Charlotte's mother.. in general, it's a shock, we get such answers almost every two episodes. And Noah even felt kind of sorry at the end, he liked his character this season. Martha was leaked unexpectedly, for some reason I thought one of the Jonas would be killed. Well, it's interesting with time travelers, it turns out that at least Jonas, Noah, Magnus, Francesca, Agnes are in the photo. The third season seems to be the final one, I hope it will also be interesting, at the level of the first two.
@kobiii: When I finished watching season 1, I thought, damn, why else would 2053 have been added with the apocalypse. I liked season 1 wildly, I was delighted, and I was very afraid for season 2. I thought that everything would go down the drain, and they would not be able to remove the same as 1, because the bar was serious. As a result, they shot perfectly. I hope now everything will be the same with season 3, with another world.
@Katarsiss: Isn't this the world that Claudia (the oldest version) mentioned in one of the previous episodes. She said something like "the world without Jonos is not very good."
It turns out that if you do change something in the past, then an alternative reality is created, as in the Flash, and there can be a huge number of them, these realities.
@Nagini_177: Yes, as for me, the idea of traveling back in time is generally a bad idea. The very fact of traveling already changes reality, which means that the characters do not return to the past of their reality, but to the past of another, which means they create a new reality with their actions.
This was the case in Lost - when the heroes returned to the past, we were shown 2 versions of the future, the one they created and their further actions after returning from the past. It was the same in Terminator 5 - the characters returned to the past, but not to their reality.
In the Dark, they went even further and made time a convention, as a simple coordinate for certain events that should happen. It is no longer clear what is the cause and what is the consequence: the past or the future, the characters themselves or the very history of these events. This is very interesting to watch!
@Iamliam23: everything is predetermined, and the future that they changed has already happened. Any of their actions have already taken place, so we see only one option for the future. Any attempts to fix them are pointless, everything has already happened. This is well shown by the scene when Ulrich beat the boy with a stone, thinking that he would fix the future.
@RinaDasler: It's more like a world without him, Claudia mentioned that. But, of course, it's strange - all the time there was a strict principle that nothing can be changed and there are no parallel worlds, and then it suddenly appeared. Although the writers are really good, so let's hope the third season does not disappoint.
@Dvoreckii: but it's logical after all, if something can be changed, it will always turn out to be a parallel world! And in the "main" world there is a continuous loop. If you still manage to break out of it, then here's another damn world for you. However, it turns out that both concepts are used in the series at once, and this is aaaaaaa.
It doesn't matter what time I'm from, it matters what world. WTF? Elizabeth is Charlotte's mother, and Charlotte is Elizabeth's mother? The world turned upside down under my feet... As a result, it turned out that everything started happily. I forgot one thing, who is Agnes? Ulrich's grandmother? It's been a long time since I've been so hooked by serials. 1 of the best TV series I've ever seen.Season 3 should probably wait a year and a half or two. And that's good, let them shoot for a long time, but it's beautiful. The series has very cool flashbacks, there are no errors in time that we are used to seeing in the same Flash or in the entire DC universe, or in general in cinema, the way the screenwriters pay attention to the smallest details deserves praise. It's a masterpiece.
@Elik33: oh, how right you are) the only blunder that I have noticed so far is that Jonas went down alone in the elevator in the fourth series, and then it turned out that Noah the elder and Noah the younger were next to him, although they did not go into the elevator. But everything else is very well thought out.
It seems there was another moment that Tronte had burns on his arm, like from cigarettes, he rolled up his sleeve when he checked in with his mother to the Tidemanns, and then when he walked with Claudia and pulled down his pants, they were not there...
And wasn't there a blunder back in the first episodes when Ulrich came to Regina's hotel for a showdown - she said that she saw his brother Mads last before he disappeared, because he was escorting her. Because she was afraid of Ulrich and Katarina's attacks. Which began after being falsely accused of rape. Which happened after Mads went missing.
Didn't Katarina tell Regina when she beat her up for falsely accusing her that "it was just a joke, we didn't know you'd be so scared." Then it turns out that first Ulrich and Katarina tied Regina to a tree, after which she was afraid of them and Mads saw her off, and then disappeared, and only then Katarina was already screaming for false accusation.
@Elik33: The third one has already started filming. So there will be no waiting for a year and a half. P.S. I'm glad I watched the first season just the day before, it's hard to expect such a series.
@positroid: an interesting point, but probably in theory, what a child inherits from his father may coincide with what he does not inherit from his mother. This is exactly what happens with the YX chromosome in girls.
@positroid: but how would it be if we put the bolt on physics, then why can't we turn a blind eye to genetics? :) This is a fantastic world and it has completely different laws.
Great season! there was a fear that the second season would slip, but they even managed to raise the bar. the brain finally melted from these unexpected people who are who))) The Charlotte-Elizabeth bundle is generally a bomb... I really want the third season as soon as possible
@Afanalina: Everything comes from nowhere-the car, the book, Charlotte... This completely fits into the logic built in this series, which the watchmaker, by the way, was very clear about.
@antons: For such "smart guys" it is worth clarifying what is already obvious to the rest: it means a chicken egg. "which came first, the chicken or the egg?"
Obviously, there was a chicken egg before. If we make a conditional but clear division between a chicken and a non-chicken, then at some point in evolution the non-chicken will lay a chicken egg.
What if the chicken did not come from a chicken egg, but in the process of evolution originated inside an egg of another species? Then the chicken appeared before the chicken egg.
A great second season, no worse than the first, which is rare. Obviously, the scriptwriters have a plan, and not the usual "let's stir up something interesting, and then we'll figure out how to clean it up" - respect. We've thought of everything very well. In the end, I expected an epic battle between Katarina and Hannah in the catacombs)
Yes, can someone tell me, otherwise I either blundered or missed - about Alexander, Regina's husband, who is he really? it's clear that he stole the identity, but who is he, he came from the future, as far as I remember from last season, and was immediately aimed at Regina to make a career later, apparently he knew the information from the future. But who is he?
@id391845382: I'm not sure if he came from the future, he was probably running from someone, maybe debts or family problems. And the fact that he ran into Regina was accidental, a coincidence. Although, as they say in the series, there are no coincidences, there is a reason for everything).
In some episode of the second season, Alexander was reading a newspaper. That they found the robbers 33 years later. And in the first season, as soon as Alexander was shown in 1986, he was wearing a mask and running through the woods. This means that he fled from another city in order to escape from the police for robbery.
In 86, Alexander, wearing a mask, ran through the woods, with a gunshot wound from a shootout, got on Regina, protected her from Ulrich and Katarina, so they got together. In 2019, Alexander saw in the newspaper that they were looking for a murderer after the murder in Marburg. As a result, it turned out that the new policeman was the brother of the murdered man. Alexander Koehler is the name of the brother who was killed and whose identity Regina's husband took. It's very stupid to assume the identity of your victim. His real name is Boris or something.
Yeah, my brain is boiling from all this. It doesn't even seem to make sense to draw any final conclusions about the plot and especially about the characters until we've seen this story in full. I can't even figure out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, because in a global context, the actions of the characters may not look at all like they seem now.
What a great season came out! and many questions were answered, and many new ones were left. it's wildly interesting how everything will actually turn out to be connected and what we will eventually come to)
I watched the whole season in 1.5 days and now I have to put it all in my head somehow. In the meantime, I hardly understand which of the characters wants to get))
And it seems that "Darkness" is the first (of those that I have watched) time travel movies in which nothing changes. Everything has already happened, there is no beginning and no end. And usually everything is like the "butterfly effect" - they change the future / past and make it worse / better.
@katemilk: yes, there are a lot of them, for example, Terminator. There John Connor sent his father into the past, without which he would not have been born.
@Nathanson: wait a minute , in the film they say in plain text "time machine", "time jump", "time travel", "we send him to the past", "trying to run time through Lang, you ran Lang through time", "chronosdrive", and the scriptwriters in an interview talked about all this it is operated as "time-travel". The directors write in their interview: "The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality."
Yes, it's a non-standard type of travel for cinema. but these are primarily intertemporal movements. parallel universes are only the result of time travel.
@irrsinn: 12 Monkeys series is very cool, and very thoughtful - one of the best about time travel. The darkness has gone a little in the other direction and the bet is more on wtf turns -
@irrsinn: 12 monkeys (TV series) I watched it a long time ago, but for some reason I remember that something was changing in the future all the time, just not for the better.
I was almost sure that they would not be able to meet the bar of the first season, but it turned out even better (except for the musical accompaniment). Great plot twists, everything is interconnected. Everyone is deceiving everyone and in the end everything is going as it should have been from the very beginning. Many questions have been answered, and this is encouraging. Of course, with the fact that Elizabeth is Charlotte's mother and daughter, they're screwed... Am I even beginning to suspect that almost all the characters were born as a result of a time loop? And whose children are Noah and Agnes?
Adam leads Jonas on the wrong track, saying that he can change everything, but in fact, attempts lead to the fact that everything goes on as usual and in the end Jonas resigns himself and becomes Adam? Claudia tries to help Jonas change everything, but in the end he becomes Adam because that's how it was supposed to be? So Claudia and Adam are on the same side?
@Destiny_Ocean: That is, Jonas loves his aunt, and his grandfather loves Tra.Is his mother okay, but are Charlotte and Elizabeth fucked up? I think it's pretty cool.
@Afanalina: By the way, Noah "abducted" Elizabeth in the first season, which can be perceived as what was originally intended, so it's very controversial with a twist for the sake of a twist)
Incest also happens in real life. But for the same person to be both himself and his relative at the same time - this is the first time they did it in this series (Elizabeth and Charlotte) - that's why it seems strange and out of the rules.
From the point of view of genetics, such a paradox is impossible. A mother passes on half of her genes to her daughter, who in turn passes on her half to her child, that is, a quarter from her mother. It turns out that a quarter of the genome is equal to the full genome, which is impossible. A completely different child will grow up.
@danxai: A mother passes on half of her genes to her daughter, who in turn passes on half to her child, and these halves match, according to the principle of self-consistency. The probability is low, but that's exactly what Novikov will answer for ;)
@Alex-219: the probability is not just small, it is about the same as if you take the text of the Lord of the Rings, mix all the letters, pour them on the floor and get the text of the Lord of the Rings again, well, at least the first three volumes))
@Destiny_Ocean: I also had a feeling that no matter what they did, nothing could be fixed. we already see at least three versions of Jonas who went the same way and tried to do something, but they didn't work out. it turns out that everything they do goes as it should. In the end, Noah didn't even manage to kill Adam because it was "not the time"
@LoonyLoo: By the way, this is a brilliant move, you can say in an abstruse voice now is not the time and get away until no one understands. At that moment, I thought - Adam was saved stupidly by talking. While Noah was thinking - what the fuck are you talking about, you old burnt bastard - he was killed...
@Destiny_Ocean: And whose children are Noah and Agnes?
when young Noah told the adult Jonas to save the three boys "and later me and Agnes", it seemed to me that these were the children of Magnus and Franziska, although at first there were thoughts of Jonas and Marta.
So it turns out that Agnes is Ulrich's grandmother, Magnus's great-grandmother, and her own (and Jonas') great-great-grandmother. That's assuming she's really their child. No, well, after Charlotte's story, I won't be surprised at anything anymore. This season, something like "Vinden is a small town and it's strange that almost everyone who was born in it stays." Maybe it's true that all the main characters (or almost all of them) exist because of the time loop and are related to each other.
If Adam's henchmen are Magnus and Franziska, then I wonder where Bartosz is. When Adam was shown for the first time, it seemed to me that he was Bartosz. Who knows, maybe he is, and he's just cheating on Jonas again))
@Destiny_Ocean: Bartosz is most likely the guy that young Noah killed at the very beginning. This guy also said "It's funny that it should be you" and that Noah didn't believe everything Adam says.
@moonly: as a result, it turns out that they are all the children of Adam, who traveled to the distant past and laid the foundation for this self-reproducing genealogical branch))))))))
@Sasuke46: Provided that Noah and Agnes are the children of Magnus and Franziska, it turns out that way. Because initially it was shown that Agnes is Tronte's mother, Ulrich's grandmother, Magnus' great-grandmother. Well, if Magnus is her father, then she is her own great-great-grandmother.
The series has explicitly hinted that this theory is true. As we wrote above, when young Noah was telling an adult Jonas to save three guys, "and later me and Agnes."
It also seemed to me that maybe Bartosz is Adam. But only Bartosz is a loser, unable to persuade his friends not to leave him in a cave for the night. He's not up to such clever games.
I didn't quite understand the world of the future in 2053, Elizabeth is kind of the leader there, and does she know that she is her mother's mother? The season should be watched all at once, so as not to miss anything. Every sudden moment, like Martha's appearance from a parallel world, I wonder if this is the first time or if it happens every cycle. Of course, the series makes you think constantly, memorize names and family ties. Hannah seems to have decided to stay in the past, suddenly falling out of love with Ulrich and giving up on her son. I also wonder if Jonas would just go to that day of his father's death and just kill himself, what would happen? Would the cycle have continued without him?
@anestezi22: The safety was on the gun. Noah either didn't know how it worked (although it's unlikely, but the devil knows what time the gun was from and at what time he was hanging out more), or he just started to panic when the first shot didn't sound, but Adam remained calm (and he remained calm because he knew that he will live to see himself sent into the future, where he will kill his girlfriend, because he saw this moment himself in his youth). That is, it is far from a fact that there are directly "forces of nature" that prevent time from changing.
Elizabeth does not know, since she saw her daughter only in infancy, she does not know what she will look like in adulthood. And since, when she saw Charlotte in the portal, she first asked "Mom?", she probably doesn't know that this is also her daughter at the same time.
What I liked about the previous season was that we were given some hints and hints throughout the season, so that the viewer could build theories on their own. However, the ending of this season with Martha from a parallel universe is too sudden a cliffhanger, which was not hinted at at all, and this causes quite mixed emotions.
Hopefully, we won't have to wait two years until next season.
Adam said he wanted to destroy this world. Perhaps he created another world and throws his beloved people there so that they already exist in this new world/ universe :)) That's what came to my mind when Martha showed up.
@KristinaZasorina: this reminds me of reinstalling the system when you save your important files to a flash drive and delete everything on your computer 🙈
@Dark_Punk: attention the answer is - let's say Charlotte was born first, then Elizabeth gave birth. Elizabeth grew up and gave birth to Charlotte, then Charlotte grew up and gave birth to Elizabeth, Elizabeth gave birth to Charlotte because Charlotte gave birth to Elizabeth, Charlotte could not give birth to Elizabeth because Elizabeth did not give birth to Charlotte, and when Charlotte gave birth to Elizabeth, Charlotte was born. What's not clear??
@Dark_Punk: but how Noah managed to make a child for a non-existent woman is unclear.
But young Noah went into the bunker and met a little deaf mute there, so they met, but it's not clear what year they ended up in, and how Charlotte got to the watchmaker. Noah seems to have told me that she was born a weak child, but I no longer remember the details.
@Demogorgon: Noah gave Elizabeth a baby. And then, he moved back in time, and left the child to the watchmaker to continue his business and so that Charlotte would not grow up in that terrible world.
But all the events before that can have a beginning, like maybe in the very beginning there was no Jonas and his father at all, and then Mikkel HIMSELF went into the past, and this triggered subsequent events. And it doesn't work that way with Charlotte, it can only happen if the root cause, the beginning, didn't exist at all, and then they exist in a soap bubble separate from everything else, and it will never work out from the loop — then Adam is right.
@ArkadyUkupnik: No, either Mikkel has moved here, which means that Jonas is there or not, then there is no one. Everything has already happened or has not happened at all. So the mother-daughter easily fits into this framework.
@-roslyn-: No, he didn't know where she was. When they met, he said in shock, "you've always been there for me." I got the impression that the child was taken away from them.
@Dark_Punk: so this is a well-known technique in science fiction "the paradox of the murdered grandfather", in order to know for sure the answer, you can read articles on this topic on the same Wikipedia. By the way, the same situation occurs in one of the episodes of Futurama, when Fry sleeps with his grandmother in the past and becomes a girl for himself in the future.
@Dark_Punk: The paradox of predestination, the time loop, implies in this case that in order for her to be born, her daughter must return from the future, the "ouroboros in a vacuum" symbol of which was shown in almost every episode.
Well, in fact, it seems to me that both the adult Charlotte and the adult Elizabeth died at the moment of touching. There are only those versions that are younger. The circle has closed
@Dark_Punk: yes, in the same Futurama there was already a joke about "his own grandfather", when Fry accidentally killed his alleged "grandfather", trying to save him, and then he accidentally became his grandfather, only the real one. So this move is far from new, but stylish) Charlotte and Elizabeth are as closely related as Mikkel and Jonas. Elizabeth must give birth to Charlotte, so that she can end up in the past and become her mother in the future. It's a cycle. It was the same in Terminator - John Connor has to send his father back in time to be born.
@Dark_Punk: But how Noah managed to fix a child for a non-existent woman is unclear. The moment when young Noah entered the bunker, and little Elizabeth was sitting there, was most likely the moment of their acquaintance. Why is it non-existent?
I had a suspicion a couple of episodes ago that all these "travelers" gave birth to half of the Wind. After this episode, it intensified. What was in Adam's letter to Jonas Sr.? Why are Magnus, Franziska and Bartosz so important? For some reason, it seems to me that there will be even more Charlotte-Elizabeth-type family ties in season 3.
I thought a couple of episodes ago that Charlotte's mother was probably blonde, and the only young blonde in 2020 was Elizabeth, I thought it was just ridiculous...Well, I laughed , but in general, after that movie where the main character changed her gender, went back in time and made herself a child, who eventually turned out to be the same, the turn with Charlotte and Elizabeth doesn't seem so strange to me.
@Поуни: This film is based on R. Heinlein's short story "All of you are zombies.". I advise you to read another story, "On the Heels," which perfectly illustrates the second season of "darkness."
@Elik33: None of them, and both of them at once. Everything that we see in the two seasons (it's hard to talk about the second reality yet) just exists - the system balances itself. Moreover, this is far from a new idea. Heinlein was mentioned in the comments here, and I'll mention it again. Novikov. There are many more people who have tried to solve this problem: Kip Thorne, Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein and Nathan Rosen (by the way, mentioned in the series) and many others...
@Поуни: and I assumed that Charlotte's mother might be Helge's mother, somehow she was especially sincere with Noah, especially when her son started talking to him. And the type is the same, blonde, chiseled face with sharp features.
To keep two seasons at such a high level , I 'm thrilled ! Somewhat reminiscent of the TV series "12 monkeys" and the movie "time patrol") we will wait for season 3.
@nahuyvasuebki: Short videos with comments and explanations are periodically posted on Facebook. Here's a good example, but it's after the first season. https://www.facebook.com/DARKNetflix/videos/1587530494649263/
There's Martha from another world, then. And Claudia said she saw a world without Jonas. And Adam said he wanted to create a new world without God, aka time. Hmm...
@Sherstnew: so it turns out that Jonas survived the loss of Martha, and then became Adam. And for this reason, Adam wants to create a parallel world with Martha.
at the end of the first season, I really didn't want there to be a mix with parallel universes, but this season turned out to be so good that, on the contrary, now I want to look at this development. Bravo to the creators!
my understanding is that Jonas couldn't have killed himself (just like Noah couldn't kill Adam, because the gun was constantly misfiring) upd: this was a response to a comment from above, myshows blunted
Tinny, as I thought, Charlotte's mother is one of her daughters, provided that her father is a wild number of years old.
The season seemed to be going pretty smoothly with the expected moments of the audience being overwhelmed by certain details, but the last episode seemed to have added a ton of such details on top.
It turns out that this viola!Martha- is Martha from that "new" world that Adam wanted to create? If so, I wonder if this is the one that Claudia said she'd seen the world without Jonas, and it's even worse than the vinaigrette they're having here... And how Claudia saw this world is interesting. Also some kind of viola!Martha came and showed me or something, ahah.
PS Adam wants to create a world without time, Claudia says that she has seen a world without Jonas and he is even more shit than with Jonas, conclusion: in the third season it turns out that Jonas-Adam is the personification of time and everything is worse without him than with him :lol: Joke :D ...but who knows :lol:
OK, Adam is, then who is Eve? Well, it should be... probably. And this girl, she looks like Martha, of course, but she herself said that "I'm not who you think I am"... But in general, most of all, I wonder what's wrong with the eye of a police dude, what happened to the real Alexander and where and who the current Alexander is, and how The policeman with the eye and his trans sister are connected with the whole mess. I hope this will be explained...
Oh, and where did Mikel/Michael's foster mom go? I don't remember if her fate was shown in the first season after she gave Jonas the letter (wasn't that her?).
@JimHK: Ines, Mikkel's adoptive mother and Jonas's grandmother, had some kind of muddy relationship with his grandfather in the first season, as far as I remember, I kept waiting for them to be told about them. But maybe it seemed that way to me, because the creators were escalating the situation, they say, her husband knows who Michael is.
@anni713: The eyeless one asked trance to look after the nuclear waste in the truck, and then they hugged and talked about their mother, it looks like they are brothers.
I remember that moment, but for some reason I just thought that eyeless is also gay and they have such a trusting relationship that they know about each other's family.😅🙈
And I'm wondering how Claudia is connected to all this. Noah said that she had deprived him of a lot of things. And when Agnes showed him the note, for some reason she said that he couldn't hate his sister more than her (Claudia). I had already decided that she would turn out to be their mother somehow. And anyway, it seems that the whole Windem is a product of the loop and its inhabitants are their own grandparents.
@fxm: I think Claudia stole Charlotte from her mother and took her back to the past, hiding her at the watchmaker's. Noah mentioned that he was looking for her (Charlotte), and she was there all the time.
@ogoltelo: By the way, maybe! and in the end, it turns out that Adam stole the baby, Noah read it in those sheets from the diary, and it blew his mind))
As the dude wrote to one episode, if I had a non-beggar account.... I would throw in a meme with Pepe the frog, who is sitting with a cigarette and an overturned cup of coffee. It's good that I refreshed season 1 before season 2, at least some moments were not so incomprehensible, but this series broke my brain. And it's so fucking awesome! Definitely the best TV series since the beginning of the year. And the only one where the new season was not only not ruined, but better done. P.S. I urgently need season 3.
No, well, this is a complete promotion! But it's amazing. it is incredibly fascinating that the story is complete and written from the very beginning, and not thought out in the course of what is happening.
I have no doubt, as many people write here, that everyone is related to each other and the parents of themselves (the Elizabeth-Charlotte bundle is a complete shock! I don't even want to think about it, my brain is already howling and begging for mercy). the existence of a parallel world opens up new possibilities, because there can be an infinite number of them, I hope this does not spoil the integrity of the narrative. but the scriptwriters have proven themselves well, so I believe that the chain will be promoted properly.
Wow, now there's only one main question among others — how do we wait for the third season(
The Germans are saving this serial year, damn it! As soon as the feeling of WTF passes, you need to sit down to read the wiki, Reddit and study the updated infographics on the series (I hope they will appear soon) in order to relive what was shown and put it into a coherent picture. This is a truly unique creation. The scriptwriters are not that stupid, they rather consider their viewers to be geniuses, and they don't stop giving in to the heat until the very end. I just applaud the seed at the end. First of all, mourning is canceled in March (okay, not really: who knows what kind of foreign country it will turn out to be?). Secondly, it's really bold.
IT WAS SO FUCKING AMAZING! There are simply no words. I cried, I laughed, I fucked up... I remember last season's cliffhanger left me slightly perplexed and dissatisfied, so the end of this season made it even stronger. But the level of trust in the scriptwriters is now at its maximum level, and I am confident that they will complete this story with dignity and power. Bravo,
Why was everyone so surprised by the turn with Elizabeth, Charlotte's mother, such a normal turn for a timestreel story, just what you expect)) Well, or maybe I was expecting something like this, so that everyone is their own ancestors/ ancestors to their current friends and acquaintances)) Hannah Vaughn is already messing with Ego, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a child. Egon's wife is in love with Agnes, and he himself is interested in Hannah, so... Heh, what if Hannah is Katarina's grandmother? She's already slept with her husband and son, right?) And where Katarina herself got to...
Katarina's mom is a little old for a 33-year-old... this is on condition that Egon immediately fixed her Baby... and Katarina's mother is Light, and Hannah is dark.
A strategic, highly dangerous, and extremely complex technological facility is a nuclear power plant. And the director is a dude with no past, whose legend is revealed with a single query. But before his appointment, neither the industry leadership, nor the station's security service, nor the special services checked him. Apparently, he's a very charming man.
Even more interesting is that a policeman can enter a nuclear power plant, get into any room with residual radiation and order the isolated parts of the reactor to be opened. And everything is normal, the employees do everything at once without questions or any bureaucratic procedures.
@kotэ: this is the biggest, imho, jamb, as well as the fact that Alexander did not even call a lawyer, although he is clearly not a poor man and he definitely has connections.
@kotэ: On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, what, now the director of the nuclear power plant can, say, pour corpses into concrete all over the plant, and no one will ever be able to reveal it? As I understand it, it all depends on what kind of warrant is there and whether the actions pose a danger. And it's hard to just say "imagine", they can check it later, you can get caught for complicity in something. The staff was confident that it was possible to open what was in the concrete without risks, and no one tried to hide this fact in order to cause problems later.
@Artchel: It was this moment that made me laugh. With such safety at nuclear power plants, the apocalypse will surely come by itself, without any time travel.
That is, if Charlotte and Elizabeth "give each other a hard time" or "give a hard time", then Charlotte's husband turns out to be a "granddaughter"? Does the redhead turn out to be a "sister" for Elizabeth and a "daughter" for Charlotte?
@PurpleAeon: I screamed at the "granddaughter")))) but surely at the time of the "granddaughter" he did not know how bad everything was... or knew About
tin........ the best TV series I've ever watched.... I really want the third season as soon as possible, I really hope that they will give us answers there. I'm going to review both seasons again.
Well, it's a very cool series. I got such pleasure from watching, after the vague last season of the IP, the script, and the music - 10 points. The only thing that sometimes made me feel better was the long pauses during the dialogues, when the camera and the characters freeze and nothing happens. There are especially a lot of scenes like this with Jonnas, when someone asks him something, but he just looks and doesn't answer for a couple of minutes. But I'll put it down to the German mentality. :-) I rate the series 8/10. We are waiting for the third (hopefully the final one)
@Buchnev: a person has stress, a confusing timeline and "the future me is a complete monster", it's not surprising that he slows down a little when asked about something related to ... this is all (and they don't ask him any other questions already, lol). And minutes don't pass there, don't exaggerate))
@yo_helga: By what acquaintance? Claudia, when she found out in 2020 that Alexander was the director, she was shocked! She disappeared into 86 without a trace, don't forget! This is a strategically important facility with a special jurisdiction, as he himself said, where the special services check up to the 7th knee, for sure, and such a subject as Alexander/Boris would never have become a director there! But this is essentially the only such powerful shoal of screenwriters, otherwise the super work of those who created such a thoughtful, self-consistent script!
I'm really mad at the stupidity of the characters. No, Jonas, you're aiming at yourself, and instead of blocking Martha (BECAUSE IT's OBVIOUS YOU CAN'T KILL YOURSELF), you're standing there with the face of a dumbass. This character never aroused sympathy and throughout the series was dull and boring. The mystery of humanity is why he was made the main character. The same Jonas, only the average version. Why did he explain so vaguely to Martha why she needed to go to the bunker? Like, damn, there's a difference between "come with me" and "we need to get going, apocalypse, let's die." Why didn't those who knew about the bunker and the apocalypse TELL ANYONE at ALL? In general, for two seasons, the characters, even when they try to say something, DO IT SO ABSTRACTLY AND VAGUELY that their strained relationships and scandals seem to be a pattern. Katarina pissed me off again, by the way. SHE JUST BARGED INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE AND STOLE THINGS when she was about to be killed, she couldn't bear to look at her.
@Тахири: Oh, by the way, let's talk about the fact that adults regularly gave up on children. They disappeared for days on end, didn't take any care of them, etc. Charlotte, even knowing about the apocalypse, did not rush to save her family, but WENT TO the NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. Which one???? The devil????
@Glazic: She didn't save anyone, that's one thing. to prevent an explosion, one person is not enough, it's two. The most logical thing to do is to make sure that the family gets into the bunker, that's three. Franziska, for example, would have died if it hadn't been for Jonas the middle one. Cool, right?
@Тахири: The fact that she didn't save anyone is not an argument. Where does the information come from, how many people are needed to prevent an explosion? It is best and most logical to try to prevent a catastrophe.
@Тахири: if I completely agree with your title comment, because everything is written in the case, then you really have some kind of kindergarten started with these "not superman", "not saved". This is generally nonsense and not an argument - /Charlotte was just going to have time to influence something/. And she ALMOST made it... It's clear that this stubborn cop wouldn't listen to her at the last second in any universe, but if she had arrived at least 5 minutes earlier, she would have had a chance. And there's no need to broadcast from the couch from the perspective of a viewer "who knows everything in advance" - you need to reason from the point of view of the characters *inside* the series and based on *what they know* (and the current situation). And the situation was such that there wasn't much time to think (not for the first time in this series, by the way).
P.S. No, not at all. Ulrich IMMEDIATELY understood what was going on, and he was 100% into the situation. But alas, he did not make it... But only beaten-up psychopaths will be able to judge him for this. He had already gone over himself to do what he thought was right. Almost made it... the sheriff was also thinking pretty well, although without the concept of movement, it certainly wasn't that easy for him to get to the bottom of everything (and yet he did get to the bottom before he died). The inspector, having 0 information, also clicks everyone like nuts. Yes, he doesn't "push" to the end because he has nothing to push with, just knowing that they are lying to him is not evidence.
So despite the fact that many characters think "momentarily" there are those who are capable of more, so still "not everyone".
And Martha pissed me off at this moment, which means that Jonas is her nephew, she believed at once that bigbad would be and should be sitting in a bunker- no...
@Maxyjazz: And I also didn't understand this point: it means that she doesn't even want to stand next to the average Jonas, and she's happy to fight in the gums with the young one (who's from the future)! But he doesn't stop being her nephew! 🙄
There is an idea that the guy who is killed by young Noah in the first episode is the real Alexander, and a fake one took his place. Judging by the investigator's photo, they look similar. Someone (Adam and company) gave him instructions and he became the head of the NPP.
@Bublik-bu: We know the name, but I also don't remember why he is the father (and not the uncle, for example) from the series. But Netflix confirms: https://dark.netflix.io/daniel-kahnwald/
@Dvoreckii: I can't understand why Bernd Doppler is depicted on this site as Greta's father, even though he was her husband, and the photo is not from 53, but from 86.
@smilanich: Everything is correct in the drawing. Bernard Doppler is Greta's husband and Helge's father. And yes, there are photos from different years.
@Dvoreckii: And how do we know that the Mademoiselle from new world is Martha? She didn't introduce herself. Maybe she's just called Eve? And by dragging young Jonas with her, she will help him become Adam. Well, I'm just thinking out loud. Jonas didn't choose such a name out of the blue. Oh
@ilpassetto: No, Jonas will become Adam, after the Apocalypse. We saw Jonas (with a beard) on the field of travel with Martha 2 and he doesn't look like him, he doesn't promote his ideas.
@volovik: Jonas was at their house in 1921. Only she's not Nielsen. Nielsen is Agnes' married name. Noah, Charlotte as a girl, and Elizabeth as a married woman have a different surname, unknown to us. P.S. And, by the way, it's not a fact that she's her own mother. So the arrow is not drawn quite correctly.
Full brain drain))) such a pleasant strain in my head from watching😄 glad to see the third season, there are so many more questions))) it is especially interesting what happened to Jonas in the future, what disfigured him so much, and how Elizabeth became Charlotte's mother and vice versa))) and what's with one-eye, and, and, and.... You can go on endlessly, and Martha added fuel to the fire at the end. One solid WTF?!))))
@Logan_Reno: because people like to eat shit, action and pop music, and it's difficult for them to perceive something more complex, philosophical and multifaceted.
If you look closely at the 1921 photo, you can easily identify Adam, Noah, Magnus, Franziska, Agnes and Bartosz, who was killed by young Noah at the beginning of the season. Bartosz is on Adam's right.
@MII: I was not too lazy to review and even file the collage. Doesn't it look like it? Did you have this guy in mind from the photo?:D so the guy from Bartosh's photo subtly resembles something (does he have a face shape?...)
@nkey: It looks like it! That's him 100%! Back in the first episode, everyone noticed the similarities, but they couldn't figure out how he got into the past and grew up, but now everything is clear. The words of this character at the beginning of the season also became clear, because he knows that Adam/Jonas is to blame for everything and does not trust him. It's just not clear why he was killed.
@ramill: nooo) I actually wrote very tongue-tied... my thought about something is that Bartosz looks like the man from the cave, but also looks like the man from the photo (plus, who else could be stuffed into the first line of the characters in the photo? only Bartosz comes to mind). therefore, I have almost no doubt that Bartosh is in the photo, but that this is a man from the cave, still yes)) and if we have two Bartoshes, then one of them must be older, in theory, the man from the cave, in order to eventually die at the hands of Noah and when-that is, to take a picture with the whole party. but I see the one from the photo as visually older, and to be even more honest, they are generally about the same (yes, the photo is of potato quality and you shouldn't judge it by it, but still) well, boom bang brain explosion))
and if we were tricked by the scriptwriters and none of them is Bartosz, and he dies young in the first five minutes of the third season, I wouldn't be surprised either))
Judging by the story with Martha, even if someone in the series was killed young, it's not a fact that we won't see a character with the appearance of the murdered man again. Everything is possible here)))
By the way, the photo is completely, slightly lightened.
As she peered into the people's faces, the woman behind Magnus and Franziska somehow resembled a slightly aged Hannah. But with such quality, of course, you won't see it like that :D
@nkey: I'm generally of the opinion now that all the main characters in the series are in this picture. In addition to those we already know, the dude to the left of Bartosz resembles Charlotte's husband, there's probably Hannah and Katarina in the background, but it's still difficult to find the rest of the unknowns, the photo quality is poor.
@Shunnimi: There are a lot of women in the photo: besides the understandable Francisca, there are 4 more! Hannah, Charlotte, and Elizabeth are probably there, but there's no doubt about Katarina!
what does Adam want anyway: a new cycle or an endless one? If he wants a new one, how can he start it with an apocalypse that has already happened? my head is boiling from this series.
@Lipkat: I think Adam puts "bugs" in every loop. because they're fixated. it's like a computer code. and every iteration, "errors" accumulate. at the moment, the events in the series show that the predefined things in the loops have changed. that is, the "errors" began to "fix" the "loop" code. I think Adam's final idea is when there will be so many "mistakes" that the "loop" will not load and will fall apart under the weight of itself (and then they will all be wiped out automatically (or not). because even if they kill Jonas, nothing will change. Even if they jump out the window, too. because while they're all jumping out the window, their versions of the past continue to live and rummage through the future)
Winden is a trap city in short. with a natural anomaly in the form of spatial and temporal instability. and whoever gets there is doomed to spin in its history like a squirrel in a wheel.
@Logan_Reno: I don't know what. maybe they'll explain it later. maybe it's just small, inconspicuous details, but Adam is a murky dude, and I think for 66 years he's figured out exactly how to slowly and slowly put a bomb under all these loops. well, or he really lost all hope and just saws into the grave, fulfilling his destiny (which is unlikely. he figured out how to create his own sphere, so he's definitely not a fool). Then we can say that Claudia has been making "mistakes" all this time.
@Villariba: Or none of them makes "mistakes", but tells other characters about them in order to manipulate them into doing what they always do in the loop.
My head is a little dizzy from the number of Jonas, Noah and time machines in the frame, but it was excellent.
The creators have erected such a titanic structure inside the time frame that it will be incredibly difficult to untangle this knot. But the fact that they announced the final third season still inspires confidence that they know the ending of the story.
I liked the development of almost all the characters, which begins immediately with the beginning of the first episode of the season, some characters, as it turned out, have much deeper help than originally thought. With the same success, all four families may turn out to be the product of their own efforts, where some paradoxes create other paradoxes. I'm starting to think that Noah and Agnes are Jonas and Marta's children. Of those who definitely surprised this season, Hannah, her adventures and the final dialogue with Tiedemann involuntarily brought a smile.
The only thing I didn't like was when the police came to the nuclear power plant and ordered the pool to be opened. Seriously? Just like that, just come to a high-security facility, not knowing what the fuck is buried there and let's open it? Anyway, the whole line of this detective story is kind of forced. I also didn't understand who his brother was in the photo and why he was hanging on to Alexander?
Cliff and Martha were a little confused, especially if they add other realities (and it's pretty easy to do that, considering how much Gerio has produced) and how they'll handle it all. But then there's the question of what kind of letter from Marta (if I'm not mistaken) Noah showed Jonas, which made his eyes pop out of his head. Apparently, Martha's death is also not as simple as it seems.
Well, one-eyed. I remember from the first season wondering what happened to his eye. Then he started to talk and almost had an accident) I got the impression that his eye will be almost the most important move in the third season, that it is the beginning :rofl: But seriously, there is simply too much attention to his character to just be like that)
@reaver1: In general, there is something to think about before the third season. Probably one of the best TV series about time, and it will be the best if it finishes with dignity. Such a well-groomed, darker and more subtle scenario of 12 monkeys)
@reaver1: about the NPP - ppks! They're so simple. They came, they opened, they stood, they looked. The instinct of self-preservation is at zero, no, at a deep minus for everyone present there. Surprisingly, the spacesuits were not forgotten. We could have gone that way. And why do you need protection at all, when you can literally glow at the exit from excessive self-confidence + radiation doses. Any sane person, after saying "there is waste from an old reactor rolled into concrete", will not immediately dig up radioactive who knows what. It's kind of wild. Of course, after this visit, everything didn't go crazy there. Everyone will come...
@reaver1: "Anyway, the whole line of this detective story is kind of forced. I also didn't understand who his brother was in the photo and why he was hanging on to Alexander?"
The photo shows the detective's brother, unknown to us, whose name was Alexander, and who disappeared in 1986. The director of the NPP is actually Boris, who in '86, hiding from the police, found Alexander's documents and pretended to be him. Then he took his wife's last name to cover his tracks. And the detective is looking for all of his brother's namesakes, and this one seemed very suspicious to him, so he got hooked. Actually, it seems to me that Boris killed Alexander in the forest, probably by accident. But I certainly won't look for this moment in the first season))
@Bublik-bu: More precisely, someone sent a letter to the detective with a tip that he would find out information about his brother in Winden. He arrived and found his namesake there.
Do you remember how in the first season the main theme/problem/tragedy was the disappearance of the boy Mikkel and the other guys? There were glorious times, even places accessible to the audience. Now we have Charlotte, the daughter of Elizabeth, who in turn is the daughter of Charlotte. Depends on the number of Jonas/Noah/Claudia's eyes are running away, and for characters moving back and forth in time, they will soon "have to set up traffic lights in the cave area," as the number of travelers grows by leaps and bounds, as they will start bumping heads there at intertemporal intersections. No one seems to know who wants what, why, or how to resolve all this madness. And to top off the apocalyptic picture, a girl who looks like Martha appears and announces that she is from another world. And this is despite the fact that we have not yet figured out the problems of this. In general, there is a feeling that in the third season, the brain will explode from the information and plot overload. 😂 But it was cool. It's a great season. It's a great series.
Magnus, who has aged, is a bit of a broad-faced Putin :D And I still can't understand why this storyline with the murder of children in the bunker was included? The child was put in some kind of device that burned out his eyes, and then Helge brought the corpses to another time frame. What for?
@partlycloudy: I thought it was a time machine in development, a bulkier version of a briefcase. It's like a hefty computer, the ancestor of the modern PC. And Helge was the first child to move and survive, and Noah then told his mother that her child was a miracle.
@partlycloudy: The device for moving children through time was one of the stages of creating a device in Adam's basement capable of moving to any time point, this was directly discussed. There were no details (how exactly and who moved from one device to another), but the fact itself is important here - you can't build a car without inventing a wheel, you can't build a final mega-device without successfully working herobora in a bunker
In the first season, it was said that this car "for children" has the first prototype and it has not yet been "configured". So, I think this topic will be discussed later.
@Lipkat: So this machine, the first one, is most likely the beginning of all other machines and the first journeys are made with it. That is, first there is a wormhole that opens the way at one time, this is the reason that people started building a time machine, they succeed with certain reservations, and then more and more people start traveling and, actually, Claudia and Jonas take turns bringing the blueprint and the car itself (from the future?) Charlotte's fictitious grandfather) That is, in a certain sense, there were no other time nodes without it.
@reaver1: it seems to me that you didn't read my first comment very carefully, in which I was just asking if all this happened before the start of the cycle. It feels like they're inventing a time machine when the cycle has already started, meaning the machine already exists. the scientist also spoke about the paradox of the beginning, which is lost.
@Lipkat: they are also rotated by repeating the details of the loop. Perhaps once upon a time (before the start of the cycle shown to us) they created a car and tested it on their children. Then they created it. But in order for the loop to persist, they still need to repeat these steps.
Why did Jonas the middle leave Marta in the bunker at all, if he knew that she would return to his younger self? If he wanted to change something, wouldn't it be better to keep her around him, or was he just following a cycle? And Martha from another world appeared for the first time, or did all this already happen in a cycle? In general aaaaaaaaa
@Soko: I didn't really know. Rather, he knew that she would be killed, but he thought he could change the cycle by hiding her (another time it might not have been like that, but with an identical ending). The letter also had some effect there. And, perhaps, the effects of deja vu, which everyone suddenly began to experience closer to the finale)
@Soko: and why do you think that at that moment Jonas the average knew? On the contrary, he thought that if he drove Martha to the bunker, threatening her with a weapon, and then locked her there, she would escape her fate. Jonas simply did not think about running away. He knew for sure that there would be more people in the bunker (after all, Elizabeth had survived), but he did not expect these people to release Martha. There is one good explanation for this oversight - the person was just on edge, the stressful situation and the rush did not allow him to thoroughly think through his actions. He was too fixated on "I won't allow it," "I have to," "I'm to blame." It's possible that in the previous version of events, Martha wasn't locked up, but she died anyway. This is the global problem of all the characters - they are trying to change fate, desperately replaying the details in small things, not realizing that whichever way they go, they will still run into what is supposed to happen.
@ilpassetto: I thought that Jonas the middle must have retained memories of Martha's murder from Jonas the younger. In the first season, he (the average one) remembered talking to himself in the bunker when he was in Jonas Jr.'s place. I'm already confused trying to explain
@Soko: Apparently, by locking Marta in the bunker, Jonas the wanderer thought that in this way he would prevent her death. After all, Jonas Jr. did not know that Martha came running to his house from the bunker.
Before watching season 2, I reviewed season 1, everything fell into place. But I lost the moment where the 3rd time machine (which Noah > Bartosz > Katarina had) came from. The most epic moment of the season: when Jonas realized that Adam had tricked him, and that Jonas eventually helped Mikkel run through the cave (thanks to the creators for explaining this moment). I just didn't understand his next phrase, "Claudia mentored me for 12 months." That is, he lived for a whole year from that moment under cover at that time? Did you spend Mikkel, as it should be? And then what did he do for the remaining six months? (maybe I didn't understand this point.) I also didn't understand what caused the apocalypse (explosion). Just because they opened a waste barrel? Or was it because Elizabeth and Charlotte had touched through a time wormhole? And at the very beginning of the season, they made it clear that the killer miner was Noah... I didn't believe it because he has blonde hair, but Noah has dark hair. But it turned out that this is really the case.-. As always, Hannah (well, Martha, of course) was the most infuriating of all the season, but, as for me, she acted smarter than everyone else by teleporting in 1954, long before the apocalypse. I wish her a good life there))) And, as noted above, the stupidest moment: Jonas, when Adam was aiming at him, did not cover Martha with his body. It was obvious that he wouldn't kill himself. _ Overall, the season was invigorating, and I didn't like the ending, as in season 1. If only cliffhanger could be done, I hope the creators won't let up in season 3 and finish the series properly :/ And I hope that by season 3 I won't forget everything I just watched))
@mausdiva: and Noah is taller than that guy, and that always pissed me off because they have several scenes together and the height difference is very noticeable.
@Тахири: people grow up to the age of 25, sort of. But what really catches your eye is the eyes)) the average Jonas. Well, let's think that they are no longer blue from radiation. And abstinence.
@mausdiva: The netflix website says about the car: "Noah also has a time machine. In 2020, he gives it to his new confidant Bartosz Tiedemann," that is, Noah also had it initially, and then it went hand in hand. At the time of the finale, the location of the cars is as follows: one with Claudia and Co. in a bunker waiting for the apocalypse; the other with Jonas Sr. and Co. "went somewhere to escape," and another was stolen by Hannah in 1954. Katarina, on the other hand, crawls in a cave light - without a car, but with a fashionable lantern from the future. (=
About the explosion. I watched the moment of the last episode, where Jonas Jr. is spinning with Claudia the middle (ahhh) at the barrels. He tears off the lid (safely irradiated by oO) and... puts or takes out something? They don't show it until the end. "Big and small things follow the same laws. We can't change something big, but with a small one, we can make something happen. We are changing one grain of sand, and with it the whole world," I don't know how to understand this. It's possible that Jonas tried to make it work like that. After all, thanks to this particular detail, a black cloud appears, for a reason, we were shown it in the hands of a guy next to a barrel, which (what a coincidence) will be opened first.
About the time machine: yes, I didn't notice that Katarina went without it. I thought about it now, and it occurred to me that Noah had bought the time machine that Hannah had stolen (he took it from her in 1954, for example)
But about that wand, at 27-28 minutes of episode 8, he contacts it in the cave and opens a passage, but perhaps he laid out that small tube with radioactive cesium (like)... But why ? He thought he was going to make a difference again, but has the apocalypse come anyway?
@Logan_Reno: and it's very hard to wrap your head around. The watchmaker modeled the machine according to the drawings, but did not know how it should work, and what was missing in it. Jonas Sr. came with a ready-made machine, using the example of which the watchmaker brought his device to mind. I can't imagine how there can be only one car if the first version cannot be created without the second one, which in turn was also created based on the finished version. Although, of course, after the Charlotte-Elizabeth turn, all this mess with cars is just an interesting little thing. (=
@ilpassetto: here! You conveyed my point perfectly. as for me, there should be a primary version of both the car and Charlotte-Elizabeth. I hope they will explain this to us next season.
This has happened more than once in the series. For example, no one wrote the book, it was just brought from the future and the watchmaker rewrote it. Elizabeth-Charlotte is the same. So there's only one car, just a finished version from the future.
@ilpassetto: I don't remember everything 100%, but the first version of the machine that the watchmaker had was the one that he assembled himself according to Claudia's drawings and worked from a phone that Ulrich had forgotten. The second car, which is already from the future and which Claudia most likely handed over to Jonas, was actually brought by Jonas (in the future) and it has already started to run on fuel. It can be assumed that at some point in the future, before Jonas brought the second car, something happened and the older car ended up in the hands of Noah, who then handed it over to Bartosz (Bartosz's car also works from the phone). She got away from Bartosz and apparently returned to Jonas already broken.
@ilpassetto: by the way, yes, he really wanted to stop the apocalypse, but it turns out he was the cause of it. For what... It remains to wait for season 3, which will answer all your questions!
@mausdiva: No, he didn't, he fills it with the contents of a barrel. I was not too lazy to find a moment in the 9th episode of season 1, where Jonas Sr. already climbed into a truck with radioactive waste, then standing in the parking lot. The exact same picture: he opened the lid and took out a metal container. That is, it turns out that this is simply the collection of a charging element for a time machine that cannot be taken anywhere else, and which needs constant replenishment of the substance inside.
@reaver1: when the watchmaker shows Jonas Sr. the car he assembled according to the drawings, he tells the wanderer, "if you hadn't brought your car to me, I wouldn't have assembled it properly, and I couldn't have made these containers either, and in general I have no idea what these containers are for." After that, Jonas-art. He takes out a metal tube and puts it in the compartment.… and the machine is ready to work for its intended purpose, and not just twist the details when pointing the phone. In short, the machine always works only with cesium, it's useless without it, and the phone probably just activates all this dirty action. That's why it's difficult to imagine one car for all times and faces, as well as to understand which one appeared first as a model. Oh, these paradoxes. (=
@mausdiva: "The killer miner is Noah... I didn't believe it because he has blonde hair, but Noah has dark hair." Why is it dark? An adult Noah is as blond as a young one.
@mausdiva: Her brown hair is much darker. And here it's like dark blonde or light blonde. Well, that's my classification)) And the color may change with age)
Oh, I love parallel realities in movies. Let's see how the creators manage to put it all together. For now, we're just going to try to survive while waiting for season 3, fingers crossed that we don't let it down.
@aosxx: What if she doesn't know yet? Perhaps Noah/y didn't have time to look into the future to tell you exactly what he found out after reading the last pages of the diary (if he was going to at all). After meeting with Charlotte, he started a showdown with Adam, where he fell victim to predestined circumstances. But since we don't have a history of the characters moving through time, especially in Noah's case, you probably can't tell who and what he told in the "read-died" interval. Adam obviously did not plan to share this information.
@aosxx: I have a general suspicion that the beaten Elizabeth in the post-apocalypse is not the same Elizabeth as in the photo with Noah. Somehow it doesn't fit that after the explosion and the bunker she had such a future as in the photo, and after that she was so shaken up. Although, who knows, of course :'3
And who can say what about the different calendars at the beginning of the season in Jonas' house in the future after the apocalypse, and at the end of the season when Adam put a mark on the calendar
I've been thinking a lot about this. A parallel world, apparently. But there are a lot of inconsistencies. What are the differences between these worlds? What moves you to another world, a portal or a black sphere or both. But in any case, Jonas must be in the same reality in the future and in the present, since he moves to the past through the sphere and Adam moves back to the present, too, through the sphere. So if Adam was in a parallel world, he definitely came back. But the calendars don't match. If only the sphere from the future moves, for example, only in time, and Adam's sphere is also a parallel world. Then the difference in calendars is explained.
@volovik: There is only one date for the apocalypse. But yes, there is a difference. In episode 1, we were shown a calendar in 2053, where Hannah stopped marking the days of her son's search after the 20th, and in our time she also marked the 21st. Plus, the circle is marked slightly differently. But could it just be a blunder? Or do you think this is a hint that something went differently this time?
@volovik: and if it's still not a blunder, then it turns out that in fact everything we've seen for two seasons is just a time loop that can change. Adam said that all these movements kill the body, disfigure it. And we also heard from Grandma Claudia that she saw the world without Jonas, but nevertheless she is not disfigured, although apparently she traveled not only through time but also into another reality. Maybe this is another hint that Adam is not our Jonas? And some kind of evil Jonas from a parallel universe or a loop who is trying to destroy all the loops? Well, that is, he visited all these loops and times so often that he became so disfigured. Moreover, as I understand it, his goal is to kill everyone, start the last cycle, stop the loop. Perhaps the Martha that appeared at the end is the real Martha. Well, that is, the one who did not live in all these loops. She lives in a world where no one has tried to change anything, move through time, etc. Accordingly, there is no Jonas, Charlotte, Franziska, etc. ... Oh, in short, my brain explodes with theories, for sure it's all nonsense, and we'll find out the whole truth in June-July 2020.
You put it coolly, and I like your theory, especially about the parallel universe, the creators themselves gave us in the form of Martha, why Adam really can't be our Jonas. Maybe each time travel created a new branch of reality, and all these branches are crumbs or grains of sand different from each other, as Jonas told Claudia.
@volovik: And here's another thing, do you remember how season 1 ended? The same sphere, also two people from different times touched each other... For some reason, it seems to me that there was an apocalypse there too, but in November. After all, in season 2, no one mentioned this area above the nuclear power plant, which suggests that for them in the new cycle, all this did not happen. It turns out that in season 1 the apocalypse happened because of the adult Jonas, and in season 2 because of the young Jonas. After all, he was the one who, being underground with Claudia, poured something into these barrels, knowing that they would be opened on the 27th. Does this mean that season 1 had one cycle, and in season 2 we already see another cycle of movements? It turns out that our Jonas moved into the future, but in a new cycle, in which the date of the apocalypse changed, as he no longer tried to stop the cycle using a time machine, because the young Jonas knew that nothing Won't it work? But on the way to trying to stop the apocalypse, I realized that he was still needed and became its cause once again. We still don't understand why, all these questions and answers are left for season 3, I feel like it's going to be epic! And in the third season there will be just the 3rd, the last cycle.
@ramill: I've been thinking about it too. However, there is a discrepancy. The adult Jonas said that he tried to destroy the passage, but only managed to close it. It turns out that at least he did it. But maybe in another loop, and maybe he's from another loop.
@ramill: Jonas drew a circle on his mother's calendar. Well, as for the circle being a little different, well, it's a small blunder. This is one calendar.
@Logan_Reno: Yes, but we were told that he managed to close for a short time. Well, my theory is that besides the fact that I closed it for a short time, the apocalypse also happened. Although I could be wrong.
@Aurora_B: You didn't look carefully. Jonas didn't draw anything, in 2053 he just went over and looked at the calendar. I've attached screenshots above, the calendars are different. In 2053, the 21st number is not crossed out, which means that Jonas appeared in that loop a day earlier. Because they showed us that Hannah crossed out the 21st number. It's all for a reason. Therefore, the circle is different. I think this is all done on purpose so that we can be even more convinced that everything is changing. Yes, minimal, yes a grain of sand. But as Jonas said, this grain of sand can change everything.
I found another cool video on YouTube that the gun in the movie that Martha is killed with, that Noah is killed with, and that Alexander Tidemann came to 86 with is all the same gun, and most likely Alexander Tidemann is Adam's son
I've been thinking about the calendar for a long time. There is an assumption that in 2053 there is no cross on the 21st on the calendar because Hannah shot herself, because the average Ion in that cycle did not come and did not stop her. And in 2020, it's a different cycle, where she didn't shoot herself and managed to celebrate one more day before picking up the car and escaping into the past.
@volovik: Alexander's gun was taken by Hannah from under a tree in the first season along with her passport, stored in a tin box, from where the average Jonas took it and forced Martha to go to the bunker under his threat. Therefore, it is obvious that Alexander's and Adam's gun are the same. So Alexander is hardly Adam's son)
@ramill: Even after a year, I will write about the absence of a cross on the 21st number in the first series) Apparently, this is a blunder. I saw a question about this moment in the comments to the first episode and was surprised, because in the episode that I was watching at that moment, the cross was in place)) And if you look at 2x01 on Netflix now, the 21st in the calendar in 2053 is crossed out.
https://a.radikal.ru/a00/2008/3c/eac9fbb8eb5f.jpg
Most likely, the Netflix blunder was noticed and fixed, but by that time the "uncorrected" version of the series, of course, had already spread online.
@pocket_maggie: even after a year, this detail is important, so thank you for clarifying! Since the number 2053 is crossed out everywhere on Neftlix right now, it means it was definitely a blunder. So, they made a blunder, and the fans of the series built a lot of theories on this calendar.
By the way, I wonder when Noah and Elizabeth had time to give birth to Charlotte. From the picture, it didn't look like everything was destroyed and infected, which means Noah took her away at another time...
And then I just got carried away.... There are no words. This is amazing! I don't even want to write theories and questions, of which there are thousands in my head right now, just because I understand that for sure everything will be like I never dreamed. I will only write one thing, Adam left Jonas despite the Apocalypse. So he knew that a new Marta would appear. So, bitch, everything is going the way it was before! They didn't change anything! And if a new cycle has begun, it turns out that everything that has already happened cannot be changed, or can something else be changed?!!! PIZDEC NAHOI BLYAT!
The main question is, how do I live to see season 3 and not forget everything that happened?! I feel like I'll be reviewing it before the new season.
In my opinion, even in the context of this series, a daughter who is her mother's mother is too much. Well, it's impossible to mock the timeline so much that this happens, it's complete nonsense. Or can someone explain logically?
@Kotana: It's not about logic. Since episode 1 of season 1, they have been trying to make it clear to us that the past, present and future are connected. It is not clear whether the future decides what will happen in the past or the past. what will happen in the future. A book, a letter, a time machine, Jonas (who eventually took Mikel to the caves), etc.
Of course, it is impossible to explain this from the point of view of genetics. Also here, Noah moved into the future. I grew up next to Elizabeth, we fell in love, and a daughter was born, but someone moved her to another time. He didn't even know where she was for a long time. Everything is interconnected. On the other hand, they are just a paradox of all these movements. If you suddenly imagined a world in which all this did not exist, they would not exist. Just like Jonas, that's all.
@ОnlyОne717: Most likely, this only proves that Adam or one of the Jonas did manage to change something in the events through a time loop - and this is not a parallel universe, but the same one.
"The ice has broken, gentlemen of the jury. The ice has moved."
that is, it turns out that Adam tried to shift the course of events a little bit each new cycle. so that each new iteration increases the number of "errors" in the "loop" code. but in order to move this colossus out of the lives of a large number of people a little bit at a time, it was still necessary to perform predetermined actions. and this is certainly not new and not fresh - parallel universes. but if we think of it as the fact that actions-not actions -shifted the course of events in the "loop" a little bit each cycle, then after a certain number of repetitions of these "loops", a different sequence of events arose in the same "loop". that is, in fact - this is NO LONGER a parallel universe of some kind - but the SAME "loop", but with a different set of triggers? and Adam still managed to start the shift of the "loop" from its axis of events?
It would have been much more interesting if Jonas had covered Martha with himself, and Adam had hit him. Show Adam's stunned face (if possible), and then finish the episode and wait for the third season.
@starlordrus: It's an interesting thought, but most likely the gun would have misfired again and Adam would eventually have been able to aim at Martha: Jonas wouldn't be running around her endlessly. And Adam should know all his movements in advance.
@Lipkat: if he had misfired, Jonas would have just smashed Adam (well, as much as he can, because yes, running around Martha is not an option). It's just that the whole season (and he's awesome no matter what), he's been waiting for someone to change something (naive, right?). So, if according to my scenario (:D) without any misfires: Adam shoots Jonas, Jonas's face (surprised), Adam's face (surprised), because something finally went wrong. That's it, credits roll, and we're waiting to see what happens next :D
Oh. When Claudia said that she saw a world without Jonas, I assumed that it was about a different scenario, and not about a literally different, parallel world. I don't know how to feel about this yet. Overall, it turned out to be a great season. Complex and confusing, fascinating and dramatic. A special place in my heart has been occupied by the retrospective series. The moments when Jonas returns home, meets his dad, their conversation... very strongly. It was impossible to watch without tears. And anyway, throughout the season, I didn't know who to sympathize with more.: Jonas, Mikkel, or Ulrich. I'm looking forward to the third season with anticipation and with the hope that Hannah of the fifties will not become the ancestor of any of the already familiar, adequate characters. 😂
I've read it and I'm bringing here the stubborn theory that Hannah's child (no one doubts that she's someone's ancestor too, right? The only question is whose :D) maybe Alexander (whose real name is Niewald), because there is one funny clue in the form of a combination of NIElsen + kawhWALD.
according to the same logic, however, someone came to a different conclusion that Alexander could be the child of Jonas, who had already come up with this surname in honor of his father.
That's a tough one. there are also other worlds ... fiction is fiction, but it seems to me that one of the most basic messages of the series is that there are those who imagine themselves destined from above and lead, pull the strings of those others, and the rest, due to their weakness or suggestibility, stupidity, etc., will obey completely forgetting that they have their own brains Like a teenager, Jonas, who trusted everyone. and it's very strange that Adam goes by the name of Adam when his name is Jonas. maybe he traveled through time in such a way that he gave birth to all people in principle and considers himself a la creator, or he has never been Jonas at all, but just messes with everyone the same way. Sect! I feel sorry for Martha. They were such a nice couple with Jonas. but Jonas promised that he would fix everything, let's see how he does it... or he will score and muddy the one from another universe ... just as many questions as it was. The scriptwriters got smart. Well, they get paid for it)) if you read a couple of books on philosophy, you'll remember a strange dream thread - that's the plot for the series) there are too many weaves that flow from some kind of tangled rhizome. interesting. It's kind of relatively fresh and original. I really like that philosophy, drama, romance, and some aspects of the stage get into the issues of fiction, which result in something exciting.
there was a clear impression that all the characters came from a couple of the three main ones (since the daughter turned out to be the mother of her mother, her head was spinning from writing even)), at some point several Jonas will meet at once, of different ages, but in one place there will be a "round table")) It sounds ridiculous, but I won't be surprised anymore. Cool season! This is one of the few TV shows that I watch almost without breathing, so as not to miss any plot twist by accident.
@muser_kate: I also wonder who Hannah's mother was, who her daughter was born into.. And this is taking into account that Hannah changed her place of residence for as long as 54 years.
@muser_kate: Regina's father may well be Tronte, since they've been messing around since childhood. Then Regina and Ulrich were half-brother and half-sister, and then Bartosz was Martha's cousin. So the girl can't get away from incest))
@Aurora_B: It was already written about Tronta in the comments to the previous episodes, but within the framework of the series this is banal! Regina's father is Bartosz, and Peter's mother is Franziska! What do you think of Elon Musk?! 😀
Theory. Adam is Martha. The medallion fits. A memory comes up, she remembers herself in a dress. A letter from Martha, this is a letter from Adam-Martha, which says that she did not die, but was badly burned. When Adam points a gun at Jonas and Martha, he tells Martha that he's going to do something that will make her Adam. And when she's writhing in pain, Adam says that sometimes pain is impossible to forget.
Why did Jonas leave Marta alone in the bunker and leave? I knew what was going to happen. And if he didn't want a repeat, he wouldn't take his eyes off her.
What was in the letter? That he still took off and ran to save the three.
@KatrynZemeckis: It won't work, because Inez was shown to us three times at different times. And it's still a long way from "visual Hannah." Although, considering that Hannah is currently hanging out in 1954, she may have an affair with Daniel Kahnwald (Inez's father, and at the same time the chief of police). "Darkness," as we found out, allows for unimaginable family ties. =
I watched each episode carefully and thought that I seemed to have learned not to get confused in the plot and characters, I distinguish the future from the past and the present
But then I went here in the comments and read the explosive (but as simple and logical as possible) idea that all of Winden are relatives and descendants of each other. Freudian fuck :D
Oh, that was great! If in season 1 the main shock for me was that the lost Mikel is, after all, Jonas' father, then in season 2: That Charlotte and Elizabeth are daughter and mother to each other at the same time
There's only one reaction - 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
It's very complicated, confusing, but cool. Shot on a level, played back too. The picture pleases the eye. And if you want to understand something, you can't get distracted!
I found another cool video on YouTube that the gun in the movie that Martha is killed with, that Noah is killed with, and that Alexander Tidemann came to 86 with is all the same gun, and most likely Alexander Tidemann is Adam's son
The actress who plays Hannah was photographed with a locket, the one that Jonas found on the shore of the lake. And Bartosz had previously told a story about a woman being drowned here. So it's likely that this woman will be Hannah.
@Logan_Reno: it would be a very logical and yet predictable move, they say, no one needs her in her time, there was no place for her in another, so she decided to take her own life, thereby "giving her son" two suicidal ancestors at once. But if she was killed, then one can only wonder who she managed to get like that, even at 54.
ps: volovik, it's not from the series, it's something like offscreen filming of season 3.
@ilpassetto: Is this really the locket? I don't remember the story about the dead woman, of course, but if this locket is hers, then she's probably someone's mother from the main characters!!!! The darkness is starting to blow the roof off with the first photos from the filming of the new season, but what will happen when we see the season itself...
@Elik33: Who loves whom and who fucks with whom doesn't really matter, even considering all this time travel, but the fact that Elizabeth and Charlotte have a daughter is not possible, at least for biological reasons.
@san4eses: and why not? Charlotte gave birth to Elizabeth. Then the "apocalypse" happened, in which Charlotte died (presumably), and Elizabeth, after sitting in a bunker, grew up and gave birth to a daughter from Noah, Charlotte. My daughter was taken away and transferred to the past, giving her to a watchmaker to raise. Charlotte grew up and gave birth to Elizabeth... And so, round and round, everything closed in. As for incest, there are examples where children were born without genetic abnormalities. Although Elizabeth's case just hints at the opposite, because the girl does not speak.
@ilpassetto: The chronology is just clear, there are no contradictions here. I mean, it's not clear what genes they inherited from each other in such a mess. In theory, there should be both of them with deviations, plus offspring from closely related relationships are most often infertile, but in this case they both somehow managed to get pregnant from their husbands, whose genes they already had. Plus, they should look a lot more like each other than siblings, and even more so than mother and daughter (but this can be attributed to a cinematic convention). PS: I've been watching a movie for a long time (I don't remember the name) in which a dude moved through time and copulated with some woman, who then gave birth from him. Later, after some more time transitions, it turned out that the woman was himself, because at some point this dude changed his gender, and was even able to give birth! And their child is also himself!!! I wouldn't want there to be such trash in this series either.
@san4eses: problems in children with closely related marriages arise due to the fact that some harmful recessive mutation gets out (goes into a heterozygous state). and whether they arise or not is a matter of luck. once upon a time, sores and developmental abnormalities come out (or even children die in the womb), and once upon a time it takes many generations for the results of incest to come out (European monarchs, ancient Egyptian pharaohs are an example of this).
@RichisonTrug: genetic breakdowns occur if children of closely related relationships have received these defective genes from both their mother and father at the same time. And Charlotte and Elizabeth have genetically different fathers. Below, in a separate comment, I will write a scheme of genetic transmission, as I drew it for myself on a piece of paper in the order of delirium)))
The series is just top. I read the comments here and remembered the multi-page discussions and vangovanii on the forum lostfilm.ru during the 2-3 Lost seasons. The main thing is that the creators of Darkness really have a well-thought-out plot from the beginning and an understanding of how everything will logically end (fervent greetings to Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse in 2007). So far, they give no reason for doubt.
About the one-eyed cop. Perhaps it's not how he got the blindfold that matters, but the fact that one eye is closed from the audience - hereditary heterochromia?
Another idea is that all this was not time travel before, but to parallel worlds, each of which goes in 33-year increments from the previous/subsequent one. The situation with the calendar above fits perfectly in the comments. Because if it's all time travel within the same world, then by definition nothing can be changed. It seems to me that if you carefully review this series a couple of times, then there will be such small details that do not correspond to another time. And then the new Marta comes from a parallel chain of parallel universes ;)
Here's some kind of geometry (sorry for the quality, I can't draw in Photoshop). The black and purple lines are worlds. The red one is where the action of seasons 1 and 2 takes place. A new Marta has arrived on the green line. An ordinary three-dimensional matrix.
@andrewenka: It's not that easy with a cop, in the first season he has a bandage and a scratch on his nose. If he had had different eyes from birth and wanted to hide it, he would have worn lenses or been wearing glasses from the very beginning from the second season.
@Logan_Reno: Yes, it's clear that he's not hiding anything, but the scriptwriters may want to hide the color of his other eye from the audience.
It's the same as with Adam. His whole face is disfigured, and you can't tell who he is by his appearance. There's even a theory in the accounts above that he's Martha :)
@andrewenka: Yeah, I put it forward. But I'm inclined to believe that he was injured, so it would be funny if it had nothing to do with traveling and he just fell)
@CottonMartlet: That's definitely not the case. In the first season, in addition to the eyepatch, he has a bloody abrasion on the bridge of his nose. Only if the waste has not learned to punch in the nose.
They completely broke my brain with the Charlotte theme./Elizabeth. Goosebumps when they touch each other through the portal. I wonder what they will call each other? "Mom" and... "Mom"? And in the end, they also brought an alternative reality. It seems Marta came from a world without Jonas, in which there is "nothing good". Although from another country, where is there a lot of good in ordinary reality? Did Jonas, Bartosz, Magnus and Franziska move in 1888? Well, because by 1921 they were already elderly. And Bartosz is not with them in 1921, so he has some other way. In the first season, there was a theory that Bartosz is Noah, and in the second that Adam, but both failed, I wonder what exactly awaits him? Did Katarina survive? Sorry for the confusing comment, I have a mess in my head.
@Cheryl: Bartosz was with Franziska and Magnus in 1921, he worked in caves, and then he was beaten to death by a young Noah (shown in the first episode).
@vur-fur: This is not a hard overkill, these are the consequences of the loop, the consequences of time travel, the time paradox. If they manage to break this loop further, both of them will no longer exist, just like many other characters! Let's see what surprises us in season 3.
@ramill: What if almost all the characters in the movie are created by time loops, and if you stop the cycle, then they all won't exist, and the older versions of the characters are fighting for their lives?
@volovik: an interesting thought, but here they are most likely all related, but not created by a loop. Although who knows! I'm really looking forward to it...
I didn't understand anything at first, and then I didn't understand anything :) In fact, at the beginning of the season, I was inspired by the idea of resemblance to 12 monkeys (the concept that no matter what you do, the result is one and two camps: one to destroy, the second to repair), but then we went further and better. Elizabeth-Charlotte, well, that's right... thank you for not being a Time Patrol, although-I-I-I, you never know what the scriptwriters will screw up, especially when there is a wonderful and not fully revealed Benny.
@SantaJul: What do you mean? This point is logical and very interesting. The appearance of a new Marta is a new breath of air. It is possible to reveal the essence of the series even more widely and deeply. I think season 3 will be even cooler than the first two!
What is extremely encouraging is that unlike some other popular TV series (even most), the negative in the comments fluctuates around zero. Thank you, my smart viewing companions :-)
According to the series, I was a little upset by the cliffhanger on the topic of a parallel world, but... Apparently, in this world, playing with time is already stressful, so as not to slip into some kind of banality. Let's believe that the brilliant screenwriters will make it even cooler, as they were able to create with the second season! :) I couldn't imagine that the second season was no worse than the first :D
P.S. At the moment, this is the top of the science fiction series! The point is not the plot and so on, but the fact that the scriptwriters play with the plot in such a way that you expect some obvious continuation, but everything turns out differently. And it's still interesting. And even after some cliches and rather pretentious speeches, it didn't get any less interesting, quite the opposite :) That I watched the first episode of the first season, that I watched the last one - it even became more interesting.
@verolom: Yes, here are the best comments. Probably those who are watching on rewind "rolled down" in their opinion, the series will not be able to handle such a series
I wonder how the aged Greta Doppler got into the 21st century? At the end, Magnus launches a time machine. And she also said that Helge might not be from Berndt. Oh my God, what if Helge is Magnus' son????? And it's not entirely clear why Noah was experimenting on children in a bunker if they built a time machine back in the 21st century.
@bodrik: It's not Greta, it's Franziska. And how she and Magnus got there became clear at the end of the episode. Noah experimented simply because all the older characters had already experienced it, and they knew what it was, so it needed to be repeated. It's like the moment where Jonas kidnapped little Mikel. Everything is interconnected. And where the beginning of everything is, we'll find out in season 3!
@bodrik: Bravo to the casting director! After all, they are related to Francisca, which is why the grown-up Francisca looks like Greta. By the way, I hadn't thought about it before. She immediately reminded me of Francisca.
#everything is complicated After watching it, two feelings grow stronger in me at once - that in principle everything is clear and that in principle nothing is clear. The creators of this season explained some of the questions of the first one, threw a lot of fishing rods, dragged a whole parallel universe and left us with all this with nasty smiles))
There are a lot of mysteries left (maybe I missed something while watching), which I even want to list.:
- where did the diary with the torn pages come from, who wrote it? - Where did Elizabeth get her scars? In the photo with the newborn Charlotte, her face is clean. - Who took Charlotte away from Noah and Elizabeth, Adam or Claudia? - who sent a letter to a detective whose brother was killed, after which he rushed to Viden? "What happened to the policeman's eye?" - what kind of interaction and alignment of forces do Claudia and Adam have? Is the former really trying to interfere with the latter, or are all her actions, on the contrary, following his (or their common) plans? How did Adam know what Claudia had said to Noah before she died? About the fact that he never figured out how to play. - Has Jonas the average ever found himself in a parallel world, into which non-Marta dragged Jonas Jr. at the end of the season? Was that the world Claudia was talking about? - who are the other people in the photo? Obviously, we've seen it on all the other travelers (or rather, at the wrong age). Were Hannah and Katarina in the photo, since both of them can now rightfully be considered travelers?
And a million more questions and answers that I can't remember) I'm waiting for the third season and hope that the story with parallel universes still won't look too alien.
@TinARu: "- Has Jonas the average ever found himself in a parallel world, into which non-Marta dragged Jonas Jr. at the end of the season? Was that the world Claudia was talking about?" It seems to me a very plausible version from the comments above that Adam would not have left Jonas to die a moment before apacalypsis if he had not known that Marta would come from the parallel world and save Jonas.
In episode 6, Ulrich asks Hannah: - If the world ended tomorrow and everything started all over again, what would you wish for? - A world without Winden.
Perhaps, in order to avoid the end of the world, it is really necessary not only to "erase" Jonas, but the whole of Winden. I was a little upset that they also added a parallel universe (purely about time paradoxes is more interesting, I think), but I hope the authors will pull it all out. The second season is great.
I'll support you about the Windows. Otherwise, with all these pedigrees, it seemed that if you "remove" the loop and prevent all time travel, then there would be no one left in the city.
To be honest, I didn't refresh my memory of the first season before watching this one. But a clear attitude to each character was somewhere in my head and returned in the first seconds. BUT! (Correction). There was some kind of empathy/antipathy for anyone except MARTHA (I'm ready for the cons on the comment for this 🤷🏻♀️). But the truth. If I try to remember a little, I only remember her constant tantrums, the emptiness in her eyes and her face wet with tears. And for her, Jonas is running around like a mad dog. Well, I can't believe it. I can't even remember their good/normal chemistry, why should I root for their relationship. (For example, there was empathy for the Markus/Francisca couple and it immediately clicked in the brain). Every time they kept saying, "Martha, Radimart, Vernumart, love this card," I wanted to rewind or go out to make tea. Well, this character doesn't look like someone you can move mountains for, I don't recall absorbing the chemistry of a relationship (I repeat, sorry). I hope, I really hope, that March 2.0 will not be the same as the one that was presented in these two seasons.
@SonyaLukashevych: I spit furiously. Somewhere in the comments to the previous episodes, I also wrote that Martha is weakly drawn to the main motivation of the chapters.The hero. Well, it's clear with young Jonas, hormones are all the business... But to believe that an adult man who has been wandering around different times for 33 years is doing everything for the sake of a girl he slept with once in his youth a long time ago? I didn't even really have a relationship with her... Well, that's very, very far-fetched.
It is clear that nothing is clear. But everything seemed to sort itself out and I exhaled....as everything started spinning again, I sighed. I would like to wait for the third season now and not forget what happened in the previous ones(
I really didn't want to start mixing with parallel worlds, but let's see how the scriptwriters will steer and explain everything. That's how it seemed throughout season 1 and the beginning of season 2 that Noah was the main villain of the series, but in fact he was also Adam's victim, and it even made me feel sorry for him. And as I understood it, Elizabeth moved from the future to 2020 and died instead of Charlotte, who got into the future. In the second season, almost all the mysteries of season 1 were explained, and little was left for the next season. And it's very difficult to build theories, because everything turned out differently in the series. Well, we will wait for the 3rd season, I hope they will finish the story with dignity.
The first 6 episodes of the second season were just wow – interesting, exciting, dynamic, and in episodes 7 and 8, some kind of tin started happening, the characters began to create some kind of incomprehensible nonsense. In fact, all this happens simply because they have come to themselves from the past/future a hundred times. From the moment that Charlotte is both Elizabeth's daughter and mother, I just got carried away. Everything was too much hyped up in the last two episodes and it was disappointing, although before that the series was exciting. And next season, obviously, everything will be even worse...
@quiteshow: Oh, yes, they overdid it, I noticed on my own that the latest episodes did not cause the same delight as the previous ones. Up until the 6th, everything was great, the denouement of Mikkel's story hurt my heart, and then there was some kind of confusion. Parallel universes (even if there was a hint before) upset, well, where to such beautiful, verified time paradoxes to sculpt this as well? But I hope that the scriptwriters will pull it out, because they have never failed before.
Hi! The timelines made my head swell, plus a character from each time, I had to reboot, and now it's not time, but the world... pamagiti, season 3 in 2021 or when? I'm sitting here waiting, super amazing!
It turns out that the average Jonos knew all 2 seasons that there is a Marta II that will take him somewhere and all two seasons we were floating the wrong story how he wants to save Marta I and in general without dragging the multiverse into the plot for the sake of something wow effect at the end? Pfft...
Here is a controversial issue. If Adam showed up at the house, then he knew that Marta and Jonas would be there. But if Jonas had died in this case, then Adam would not have existed either. Although it is annoying that "the one who is alive in the future cannot die." Then how can something be changed in principle... In that case, what would have happened to the younger Jonas if he had been caught in an explosion... Logically, "anything" should happen to keep him alive. And probably in this universe, "anything" has already ended, so options from a parallel universe began to appear) I get a little bit of this "butterfly effect", it's so strange that "whatever happened, it means it had to be so."
At first there were emotions like: fucked up, what a rot.... And in the end: fucked up, what's going on again (but apparently the grain of sand worked)
what amazes me the most is the casting of actors - how can you find people so similar to each other!!!! That you're just from the similarity of the newly introduced character - you start yelling - aah, that's him!!! Old Ulrich, adult Magnus and Franziska! How similar they all are!!!
While watching the series, you repeatedly feel stupid =DD At first, nothing is clear from season 1, it's boring, gloomy and slow, and then in the second half of the season it starts the very thing for which the series has high ratings, and you're like, "wow, wow, it can't be!" you sit in general amazed, and it would seem you just grasped the essence what's going on behind the tail, like a new series, new events and you're sitting in a puddle again and you don't understand anything, and in general, such a closed cycle happens to the viewer while he watches the cycles in the series)) In general, this is something incredibly cool, unusual, very exciting, the selection of actors is amazing, and yet how boldly they twist the plot deeper, I hope in season 3 it will also be adequately promoted and explained to us))
In comparison with other time travel in this series, there is one very cool detail. A very important detail is the jump periods of 33 years. This detail allows you to keep everything in relative order, because any version cannot get in at any time. And it's very cool.
Now they are introducing new worlds - it is interesting to find out what the rules of movement will be here. These new rules should not break everything that was in the two seasons. The creators should understand this, which means you can speculate on why no one has appeared from other worlds before.
Alternatively, the same "prototypes" from different worlds cannot live in the same world. Then Martha could not appear earlier. Well, if all the worlds are tied to Jonas, then it is clear that such a move was the only salvation of the universe. This was the youngest version of Jonas, who still has to live up to Adam, but is in the epicenter of the explosion without protection.
@antons: I also liked the 33-year jump periods... and then Jonas Jr. jumped on the day of his father's death on June 25, 1921 - June 20, 2019 (98 years ahead). That is, there is a machine in the basement of the church that can ignore the 33-year cycle, can move people at any time, and this machine can be used by at least Adam, Noah and the old Magnus and Francisca. 1) why do Adam and Noah count the days until the apocalypse if they have the opportunity to jump immediately on any day of any year? 2) why do heroes get old and wait for the right timing, if they can do all their business at all times at once, and then go on vacation? 3) then what is the meaning of "cycles" at all?
@Yokoya: I know it's too late to ask, but can you remember which episode it was in? "Jonas Jr. from June 25, 1921 jumped on the day of his father's death - June 20, 2019"
It seemed to me that the canon with a cycle of 33 years was observed. it's strange if the scriptwriters made such a mistake...
@antons: This is the second season. at the beginning of the 4th episode, Jonas gets to 1921, meets Adam and at the end of the 5th episode enters the time machine in the basement of the church. at the beginning of the 6th episode, he was already in 2019, although he should have been in 2020 if the "rule of 33 years" had been observed. then he lives behind the scenes with old Claudia for almost a year and, as it were, catches up with the main events of the second season, which take place on June 20-27, 2020
Season 3 can't be the last 🤷♂️ There are so many plots and questions that nothing will fit in season 3. And even parallel universes now. You can safely mix up 7 seasons.
In anticipation of the third season, I recommend the movie Predestination to everyone. The film adaptation of a small fantasy story by Robert Hyline. The ultimate thing in terms of Novikov's consistency theory, ouroboros, and so on. If it seemed to you that Elizabeth, who is Charlotte's mother and her daughter, is too much, then I conjure you to watch this movie :)
Imagine how the screenwriters steamed up to take into account all the moments of time paradoxes that occur here. Those who came up with the plot have the brain of Jimmy Neutron) It's hard to imagine what the characters need to do to achieve their goals.
A season rich in events and twists! I will be waiting for the continuation of this story.
It's a great series. The only thing that may be annoying is the appearance of a parallel universe, but in principle, with their explanations, I think everything should be good. Logically) I felt even a little sorry for Noah....Hannah is infuriating to the point of horror. I wonder where Katerina went. I feel sorry for Martha ... But the meaning of this season is clear, nothing can be fixed, Jonas the adult should have already understood by the example of his father that his actions could lead to Martha's death. But they persistently try to fix everything, and they themselves become the cause .... The mess with Charlotte, Elizabeth's daughter and her mother is the only thing that goes over the edge. On the verge of a foul. But if you consider that all the residents do not come and go from here, they are in a loop. Everything seems to be fine.
if you put all the theories together, it turns out: 1) the characters grow up, find their younger versions with the help of a time machine, mentor them so that they grow up again and become mentors for their younger versions. each such iteration in the series is called a "cycle" 2) it is impossible to influence the main events of the cycle, but small adjustments are possible. we wrote above about the calendar, which looks different in the first and last series 3) Adam's plan is to make small changes to each cycle so that eventually, after several cycles, these changes accumulate into a "snowball" that will affect more significant events
@Yokoya: 4) the adult characters make sure that their younger versions live their cycle a little differently and thus follow Adam's plan. 5) The first and second seasons end the same way - a portal opens between the times and a black sphere appears in the sky above the station. most likely, the apocalypse also occurred at the end of the first season, which means that in the first and second seasons we are shown different cycles. in the first cycle, everything exploded in November 2019, and in the second in June 2020. 6) if we are shown different cycles, then, for example, Magnus in the first season and in the second season are different people. In June 2020, Magnus from the first cycle has been living in the post-apocalypse for six months, whereas for Magnus from the second cycle, this apocalypse has not happened yet. 7) The apocalypse is a key event. the fact that his date has "moved" six months ahead proves that Adam's plan is working. The apocalypse cannot be undone, but many small changes over the course of several cycles have been able to change the moment of its onset.
Is everything correct?) or is it better not to even try to figure it all out without a third season?
@Yokoya: At the end of the first season it was like the apocalypse, but in the second it was explained that Jonas had just closed the passage and therefore they needed a box to move all year. At the end of the season, Jonas and Claudia 86 opened the door again and Katarina walked through it. I think it was one cycle.
Truly a German TV series: complex, oppressive and slow as a tank. It is precisely because of its radical entanglement that "Darkness" is very difficult to classify as bad science fiction: in an attempt to understand what is happening, it is difficult to pay attention to the clumsy concept of time travel. I can't wait to have to repeat the flowcharts for two hours and study the timelines before the third season.
Oh, the scriptwriters have a serious task ahead of them. At a minimum, it is necessary to maintain the level of the first and second seasons, but it is better if season 3 is the last, then it is necessary to surpass at least a little. At the end of the first season, I was sure that the second season would slip away, because the intrigue was lost and just time travel would begin. But no, the plot is twisted inside out, unexpected twists are pleasing every time, acting and emotions... Wow, it's been a great season. I'm really looking forward to season 3
@ramill: Your theory works. This is not a blunder. They really show us different cycles. because in the last episode of this season, Jonas's house is destroyed by an explosion. and in the first episode of this season, they showed how he lives in this house in 2053.
They've been telling us here for ages that the beginning = the end, and in the end they come up with this strange move with Elizabeth and Charlotte.
Judging by the hints, Adam and Agnes had something. That's why I thought it was their son (who would become Ulrich's father). We were not shown the cards with Regina's father, but they showed that Claudia and Ulrich's father were dating. Therefore, it can be assumed that Ulrich and Regina are brother and sister by father. Hannah and Michael (Mikkel, Ulrich's son) are Jonas' parents. If at least one of Charlotte's parents was a descendant of Adam, then the circle would be closed!
Adam = Jonas, the beginning and the end of everything.
It's a great season, I hope the next one won't be twisted, but will make it more difficult and interesting. Everyone has very sad fates, and it seems like they want Jonas to return everything, but then each of them will simply forget about everything that happened. I understand that Claudia has already visited parallel universes, as she said that she saw the world without Jonas, I wonder how they will also intertwine travel between universes so as not to spoil the impression of the series. It's not clear at all how Jonas the average's actions are explained, why he tried to save Marta if he knew she was going to be shot, if he knew he was going to meet another one, ahhh, everything is so confusing. I've also been worried about Bartosz all season. What's going to happen to him? They'll save him too, won't he become a traveler? What did Noah want from him? Bartosz is annoying, but I don't want him to be killed, I hope his line will be more interesting. Elizabeth and Charlotte are a brain explosion. I'm also interested in Alexander. And until now, they haven't really explained WHY Noah killed the boys, maybe I just missed it? I didn't watch some of the moments very carefully... In short, I'm waiting for season 3.
That's it, my brain blew up like a house at the end of the episode. The series I couldn't start watching for six months, but I started doing it in one go.
Damn, I don't know about everyone else, but the second season fucked me up.. The first one was cool, I really wanted to know "what's next?" because everything was new, but in the second one (it seems to me) they started sucking the plot out of their fingers and repeating the same thing. And in the end, as if telling us to "WAIT FOR SEASON 3," they already added some nonsense that stretches for another 8 hours of our lives, as a result, they take on a lot of seasons, and already in season 5-7 everyone will spit already. CHECK IT OUT
if the Higgs field looked exactly like this black ball and it was real, then CERN would become the center of the universe (the cave from the TV series)!
actually, I liked everything so much that I want to start the time machine myself so that season 3 can be filmed as soon as possible and see everything!
The other Martha's time machine resembled the Apple of Eden from the Assassin's Creed series of games, though not in its intended purpose, but only in appearance. But it's still interesting)
The whole series was waiting for something in the style of Noah's non-firing pistol. Well, the multiverse may well give the series a new branch of development (pun intended). The first four episodes of the second season are excellent, though then self-replays reappeared. More letters, more conversations about how everything is connected and everything affects everything, again the characters become the reason for what they wanted to prevent, again plottwists with the kinship of the characters. Some storylines are so long-drawn out that when they suddenly have a twist, it doesn't matter. The time series has timing issues. But these are my personal quibbles about plotting. So the series is insanely thoughtful. The writers did an amazing job with all that consistency. Well, casting is a separate topic. In some moments, it really felt like Marta was meeting an adult Jonas. "When you know, everything becomes obvious." The striking similarity of the actors, which deceives perception. You realize that there are different people in front of you, but you see the same hero.
The only thing that bothered me while watching seasons 1 and 2 was where the scriptwriters decided to ignore the logic of the n number of time loops and paradoxes in the plot of the series in order to make that little magical butterfly effect that would fix everything and break the cycle. In principle, I had no doubt that it would be a multiverse, hello to the Gates of Stein. But I thought that the scriptwriters would not risk oversaturating the series with a parallel world and would simply get off with a plot hole.
So, if only those who are in the bunker survive (not counting all those who have moved), then we won't see Alexander anymore, as well as those who were at the station? It's a pity. It's funny that the old versions of Magnus and Franziska are shown to us, but Bartosz is not shining, apparently he really has some important role. Well, Jonas is a wingman, everyone defended him under the previous episodes, they say, a teenager and all, but the average one is the same, Noah came and told him lies and he ran again, instead of saving Martha as he wanted, and he will run from Noah to Claudia. It turned out to be much more enjoyable to watch the series in the second round when you already know all the characters and who they are to whom. Well, I hope they don't get too hung up on parallel universes and will show the 50s/80s and so on. Many of the characters have simply not been seen, I would be interested to know what kind of parents Katarina has, Hannah's mother, Claudia's husband, and so on.
Yes, it turned out to be a good season, but the gods also have other universes, which are even more difficult. Apparently, each season brings only new turns of difficulty. How cruel it was to kill Martha ;(
It seems like you need to watch this series with a notebook in your hands and write down everything you see. Otherwise, my brain just explodes 🤯 I watched it a couple of weeks ago, but I feel like I'll need to review everything by the time the third season comes out
Definitely the best TV show I've ever watched. We still need to look for such high-quality series! I really like that the scriptwriters shot the second season for the sake of an idea, not money (someone wrote above that the script for the series was immediately written for 3). For some reason, I'm sure that the next season will not let me down)
I remember how the first 2-3 episodes seemed rather slow, and there was a fear that they would not be able to reveal such a large number of characters, but they did it! Of course, riddles and innuendos remained, but over the course of season 2, the choice of some characters became clear.
While everyone is discussing difficult issues, I would like to mention Marta. As she is with Jonas the middle, so everything is not good-wrong-get-away-from-me, but with Jonas the younger everything is fine, and family ties do not immediately bother. It's the beard, isn't it?
@Hannah_Abbot: Well, she's in love with Jonas Jr. and has known him for a long time, and the older one for her is an incomprehensible, dirty, grown-up man whom she just met.
An incredible series that amazed with its plot with time travel and a masterpiece selection of similar actors to past/ future versions of the main characters (except for one, but I hope this will be explained further).
During the review, funny things came to light - how Elizabeth parental kisses Charlotte on the forehead before parting at school, how Adam smiles slightly, sending Jonas back to his father.
I've re-watched both seasons now. And in the light of other worlds, there were concerns about these other worlds. Suddenly, it turns out that throughout both seasons, all the events unfolded in several worlds. And the frames differed only in some details (we have already mentioned some differences in details). That is, it really turns out that you will have to rethink everything again, because something like "these five minutes with Jonas in 2019 are in world A, and the next five minutes with Jonas in 2019 are already in world B." And the difference will be in how his bangs are styled, I don't know.
It turns out, among other things, if we discard all causes and consequences, that the apocalypse happened because of one small sudden person - the investigator. It's strong. Globally, I would say. "I can't die because I am in the future," Jonas said. So what's the problem, kill yourself in the future. She let Claudia kill herself. For what? To change something in the past and take a different path? Perhaps. I caught myself several times that I was watching the development of some original unique loop. And then she pulled herself up: no, they just show us what happens in the loop every time, it's all happened before. It's a strange feeling. Cycles are three 33 years, three times? Youth-maturity-old age? In short, as many have already written, nothing is clear, but it is very interesting. 😆
@CottonMartlet: The apocalypse happened because of an unknown person who wrote a letter to the investigator. With a biblical beginning, so it's not someone small or sudden).
@ElseyStyle: I think Charlotte died after the apocalypse, and Elizabeth missed her so much that she named her daughter the same way, but Noah knew everything and took Charlotte away earlier, in another cycle. and there she grew up in ignorance, gave birth to Elizabeth, and all over again.
@jjjbccc: Noah said he didn't know where his daughter was, he was looking for her, but she was always there. Apparently, the girl was stolen from her parents and given to a watchmaker to raise. but it's a good idea with a name.
Apparently, the scriptwriters decided that the series was too simple and it would be necessary to add more parallel universes so that it would not be clear at all what was happening.
This watch, which Noah gave to Charlotte through Elizabeth, is so strange, it seemed to be intended for the mother, but it turned out to be apparently for the daughter.
I thought for a second, maybe this watch is something special, a la the time flywheel from GP) well, after watching 2 seasons, I think anything can happen.
At the end of the first season, Jonas was sitting in a cave, and next to him was a man smeared in some kind of black sludge, the same kind that "forms" this dark matter, this ball. and also this person was at the beginning of the first season. Who was this man?? It wasn't for nothing that it was shown
With each episode, it becomes more and more difficult to perceive the whole cringe. Everyone in the hut has a pocket time machine, almost every passing mimic jumped back and forth in time, and the time tunnels in the caves are such a passageway that starlabs just smokes on the sidelines in the flash.
I liked the second season a lot more than the first. If in the first season everyone got involved in time loops, then in the second they closed on themselves. In the third case, it means that they will get out (although I expect that everything will also be agreed upon). In general, of course, it is a very rare work where the authors seriously thought about time travel. No one really knows how time travel would behave if it were possible, but at least the logic of what is happening is clear and respected. I'm waiting for the third season, the authors are great (although it's delayed in places, but this is the style, of course).
@moonly: It seems that Tronte told Claudia about his family in 1953 and said that his mother (Agnes) did not get along with his father and that she had a brother. The brother was shown to us - Noah, but the father is not there yet. Although Jonas spent the night with them in 1921?
@Ju-juls: Yes, but at that moment Agnes was still too young. although, with how crazy he is about Martha, it's hard to believe that he will marry Agnes, and even be such a bad husband that Agnes will then speak of him with fear. and the burns on Tronte's arm are most likely the work of his father.
The second season was less mystical, and that's probably a good thing. But the ending is strange. The move with the jammed gun was lazy back in Lost, and here it goes against the whole series when things happen as a result of themselves. It would have been more logical if Noah had been killed by his own actions before he raised the gun. And what would have happened if he had taken an axe? Would it have jammed too? Plus, it's very strange, we are told that the world itself does not allow us to disrupt the course of events and Adam cannot die until he performs all the necessary actions, and after 2 minutes we are told that the creation of other realities with a different course of events is possible, so Adam could have been killed, it would just create an alternative reality.
Because this is an extremely uninformative comment - you could have kept it to yourself. Comments are still more designed to express your opinion, discuss with other people, and so on, but what about you?!
Well, what can I say, it's amazing, you forget to breathe in moments
Guys, a device that can move into the future and the past, the fate of humanity depends on it... - WHERE IS IT??? - The mother took it away :D Moms are such moms
If Jonas is to become Adam, has Adam ever been saved by this Marta from a parallel universe? Or is her appearance generally unforeseen? If so, how did Jonas escape in the first place, because he would have died if she hadn't appeared...
And what about Charlotte and Elizabeth? Did they "switch" their time, like Jonas and Helge did last season? But Jonas was suddenly swept away in 2053...
And what did Katarina see there? I still don't get it.
And it seems that they have already explained about the children and the stormy bunker with their murders, but still
Why is there a paradox with a book, etc., that its creation is erased, but with a time machine this could not be done?
Could no one from the future have brought this suitcase to the past, so that it would go further? It's just that against the background of such funny paradoxes, the topic of the chair and the murders of children seems a little strange.
@Pandme: The murders of children are a significant part of all events. Without the murders, many events simply would not have happened. For example, the arrival of Clausen, who arrived just because of the disappearance of six people, would not have happened. And if he hadn't come, he wouldn't have searched the nuclear plant and provoked the apocalypse.
Killing children eventually leads to the creation of a balloon, apparently. Despite the fact that the ball can move people at any time, and Sic Mundus, in theory, can send even drawings, even details, even technologies at any time, they will not do this. They use this function just to keep the loop alive. They don't want to disrupt the natural course of events, so they don't interfere with it.
Okay, I give up... Every fucking time after watching an episode, I try to put all this mess in my head and somehow something works out, but after this episode my brain refuses to take it all in... The series never ceases to amaze me)
Listen, isn't the new inspector time-traveling too? Wasn't it him and young Egon who dissected old Claudia's body? Or am I already confusing something?
I don't remember in which episode of the season Jonas realized that it was he who took Mikkel to the cave, so I'll leave a comment in the last one:) it seemed interesting that he still couldn't understand why his father committed suicide, and then it turned out that it was he who suggested that this was his fate. and in general, that he is a direct participant in both Mikkel's disappearance and his father's suicide.
Damn, I hope they logically explain the existence of an alternate reality. So that there are no inconsistencies in the plot or that the laws of this series do not contradict each other.😑
Of course, the fact that Agnes and Charlotte are both daughters and mothers at the same time is a bit strange. Maybe that's why Agnes is deaf and dumb, because she's too closely related.🤔
Was Noah's motivation unclear, did he stupidly follow Adam's instructions just because it was necessary? Jonos took Mikkel to the cave as if nothing had happened because Claudia had seen a world without Jonos and he wasn't very?
I accept that Mikkel was able to become the father of someone who is older than him. But the fact that a mother has become the daughter of her daughter is impossible, for someone else, yes, just how can this be explained??? It's like becoming a parent to yourself - in general, you've made something up.
Here are the mother and daughter / daughter and mother surprised the most here.. Who appeared first? We've got it all figured out, and I want to sort everything out in my head as soon as possible.. Hopefully season 3 will clarify everything.
Adam, in a personal conversation with himself, Jr., talked about some kind of doppelganger, then he was already thinking about an alternate reality... Noah had the last pages for a long time, why did he just decide to tell him that he knew everything?And what was Noah's goal? confused
Elizabeth is Charlotte's mother and her daughter, that is, she is her own grandmother. They are each other's daughters, mothers and their own grandmothers. The most unexpected thing in this episode was hello Palahniuk with his Buster Casey
@Ally_mark: https://dark.netflix.io/en/family-tree You can select by specific series. You can view the movements of each character, both all at once and in turn. There is only no Russian.
Overall, I liked season 2 more than season 1. But I was confused by how clumsily we were shown who Charlotte's mother was. Before that, all the characters were revealed slowly, so that we ourselves could figure it out or at least guess. And then it was as if this fact was just thrown in the face. Hopefully, their story will be told in a less messy way. I want to understand exactly how all this happened, at what time Elizabeth and Noah lived and gave birth, and how Elizabeth then drifted into the future (or did she miss something, and Noah and Elizabeth will give birth to a daughter in the future? I think I need an explanatory team). More from the question: how did Alexander Tiedemann become director of the NPP? Claudia disappeared in the 1980s, and he was virtually nobody inside the town at that time. If Claudia had been there, I would have thought it was a scam. But it's not clear. Again, if I've missed something from this season's narrative, please help me figure it out. But if this is explained in the following, then let's not spoil it in the comments here.
The coolest feature is that it's completely unclear who's bad and who's good.. Well, as we know, there are no such concepts, everything is too vague. There is a feeling that everyone wants good things, but they only make things worse. The TV series bomb is just
It's good that the multiverse will continue, otherwise this loop has begun to annoy with its inevitability. I'm telling you, Martha, sit in the fucking bunker or you're going to die, what's not clear here?! Nooo, we have love here, we have to run to find a nephew. I thought the plot of Mikkel-Michael-Jonas was twisted, but mom-daughter-mom? In general, the dump of the head, that's where the real weak point of the whole loop was, it was necessary to hit there.
I'm just really excited about this series. However, it's one of the best I've seen.
All these lines, the interweaving of all the stories at different times, it's so fascinating and just makes your brain strain so hard not to miss any important detail. Sometimes, some moments just make my brain boil. For example, Charlotte and Lisa, mother-daughter, daughter -mother. It's very interesting why Jonas chose this particular path and became an Alpha.
Damn, I'm completely confused, Charlotte gave birth to her youngest daughter, when this daughter grew up, did she give birth to Charlotte? It's like. Did she have a photo of herself with Noah and a baby, and the baby is Charlotte, and she's Charlotte's daughter and her mother? That's interesting Martha is from another world.. It was also interesting... it was a pity for Egon, his daughter wanted to save him so much, but it turns out she killed him herself.. I'm sorry for Ulrich, he was in prison, then in a mental hospital.If he hadn't attacked little Helge then, he would have gone home quietly, but he decided to kill the child.. I'm not doubtful about looking further, it's good that you don't have to wait a year until the new season))))
How did the authors' heads not explode into a wormhole when they thought through these intricacies with time loops? God himself (if he existed) would have rejected this version of the universe.
The Dopplers knew that the apocalypse would begin on June 27, why did they only start moving on that day: go to the bunker, try to stop the inspector? They still haven't explained why they experimented on boys.
Another world is certainly good, but I have big doubts that this is an "offshoot". If it wasn't for the other Marta, how could young Jones have survived? It turns out that the average Jones knew about the existence of another world, but for some reason he was silent and wanted to save his Martha. And why did he leave her alone in the bunker and go sit in his house? I hope all this will be explained. Well, at least a brief retelling of what the surviving teenagers from 2020 were doing before their adult versions appeared in the frame, they weren't just sitting there.
For the first time, I'm tired after the series. Each episode makes you strain so much that you don't get completely confused. 😄 He won me over with his strangeness.
God, what a cringe. A cop tells you, a man who works at a nuclear power plant, to open the waste. And you're like, "OK." The Darwin Prize, such people don't deserve to survive.
Nuclear power plants have the biggest jamb. A search warrant is not omnipotent, and it does not give the police the right to do such things. There are rooms at the NPP where a simple warrant does not open access. At most, they could check offices, accounting, and household facilities. premises. I understand that the police, in theory, can also open the waste disposal, but they need reinforced concrete foundations and time to obtain all the approvals. And most importantly, specialists in such work. And then the cops are like, "Yes, I can work with a jackhammer! And I can do it in a radioactive protection suit too! And I'm ready to dig up radioactive graves for the sake of a stray detective, although my countryman and a specialist are standing here, and they say it's dangerous" :)
@analemma: Yes, this is the second major blunder in the scenario after the fact that such a murky subject as Alexander/Boris was appointed director of a high-security facility of strategic importance with special jurisdiction! And then a stray cop revealed his whole background with one request to the registry office!
Charlotte and Elizabeth, of course, this is not science fiction, but mathematical fiction))) I was trying to figure out if this was possible in principle by drawing diagrams of genetic transmission - xx. In fact, 22 chromosomes plus X are transmitted to the child from each parent (boys have 22+Y from dad, but since we have girls, we just count 23). Let's say Charlotte has 23-red, her husband Peter has 23-green mixed and Elizabeth got it. Which has thousands of sets of "23-red-green" eggs, and now one egg, in some way impossible in genetics, carries 23 red chromosomes, that is, exclusively maternal.
The probability of this is, of course, less than 10 to the minus billionth degree, but let's say.
And from this egg, Charlotte is conceived, who receives 23 red chromosomes from her daughter and 23 blue chromosomes from Noah (conditionally), and she, like her daughter, has a bunch of eggs with a red-blue set and, in an impossible probability, one egg with an exclusively set of 23 red chromosomes. From which Elizabeth is born.
The appearance in such cases will be different, because Charlotte has 46 red-blue chromosomes, and Elizabeth 46 red-green ones. There will be no genetic breakdowns for the same reason, the fathers are different and not related.
I was surprised that Jonas didn't shield Martha when he saw Adam's gun-it was obvious that he wouldn't shoot himself. And what was also humanly surprising was not even the fact that at the NPP, it turns out, you can command "open it" (although at 53 Egon was once again afraid to enter a rich house for questioning, and here there is amazing freedom of action), but the fact that the whole crowd of people who wanted to hang out at the excavations did not try to close the barrel back or was there any way to escape, when an incomprehensible black something came out of there, everyone just stood and looked at this beauty in protective suits. At least Peter took his daughter to the shelter. Why didn't they tell the children about the apocalypse before, if they already had recordings? So far, Regina's father, Helge's biological father, Peter's mother, Hannah's mother, Inez's mother, and Katarina's mother are missing. At first, Helge was suspected, then it turned out that Noah was leading him, then that Adam was leading Noah, now I wouldn't be surprised if in the third season it turns out that Adam is not yet the final link of this elite either. I wonder if Noah created these prototypes of time machines in order to find his wife and daughter with their help. In general, everything is very interesting, but there are fears that the extra dimensions will completely confuse everything.
I think it would be better to leave it at that. To cram in the inevitability that everything is coming to the same thing and nothing can be fixed, and everything is here, but the universes... One complex idea was stretched over another. What for? It would be better to explain how Elizabeth was able to give birth to her mother.
What??? Charlotte's daughter is her mother??? It turns out that Noah slept with his granddaughter, and she gave birth to his great-granddaughter, it's really an endless cycle.
This is a funny moment. - Where is the device? - Mom took it. Just like when I was a kid, when I was playing Tetris.
It was brilliant to bring the opera guy to the city so that he would ruin the station.
The Darkness: Season 2✔ Results:
Despite the fact that this season did not provide answers to the main theme of the series - the time cycle, it also did not throw up a bunch of new questions, everything is more or less clear, and what is not clear can be explained by the same endless cycle. Now it has become known that in addition to the timeline, there are also alternative universes.
It's just a masterpiece, really. I'm crazy about this series and the work of the whole, whole team. Season 2 turned out to be no worse than the first I worry about absolutely every character. Luis, who plays Jonas, captures every scene on some incredible level. You empathize with him so much that you want to go to the screen, hug him and tell him that everything will be fine)
I've been digesting the second season for several days in order to finally get to the final one, but I absolutely don't want to part with the series. 💔
The second season has lost a little in my eyes compared to the first. The loop was looped, so it doesn't work anymore, so it's time to expand - so the multiverse has arrived for you. Now the course with the apocalypse in the future at the end of the first season looks about the same - it was impossible to further draw a plausible future, so they figured out how to destroy it. In general, the brain feels that if you sit down to review, then a lot of inconsistencies will start to come out, like who saw whom where, who told whom what at what time. It's very strange that they didn't all live in a permanent sense of deja vu, like when Hannah saw Mikkel before the anniversary. I don't remember the faces of my classmates from elementary school, but show me a picture of those years - it immediately pops into my memory. We once looked at a photo of an old apartment in which we lived until I turned 13 (I'm 34 now for comparison), and the carpet on the floor caught my eye, bljad, how did I already get goosebumps - even after 20 years everything came back to me. And here people are darting back and forth in time, but everyone is shocked when 2+2 finally adds up. Well, fuck it, we're watching fiction anyway. I didn't like that all the good characters turn out to be bad, and vice versa. And the good ones are bound to suffer. I don't like that. When you start to realize that, in principle, most people in this town are just finished, then somehow you don't worry about them so much. I feel sorry for Regina and Egon, but again we started by introducing them as negative characters. Shtosh, I'm going to keep looking, otherwise you can't look for GIFs on Tumblr without fucking spoilers x)
Waaaaa😱😱😱 Every step of the heroes is very coolly thought up, everyone is trying to avoid a terrible future and at the same time they are doing everything to make it come exactly as it once did. 💔💔💔 But Martha🫣🫣🫣
And then we remember the watch that Noah gave Elizabeth with the inscription "for Charlotte " It turns out that Noah killed Elizabeth's ex (Yasin Friz) in the course of his experiments
The first season is straight top! A mysterious detective drama with a mystical twist. The second season, especially the second part of it, caused insane irritation, because the characters, in trying to change something, did exactly what needed to be done so that everything would loop again. Jonas has turned into a terrible egoist who does not need to change anything and all the threads and connections he specially wove many cycles so that in the end the same thing repeats every time. In general, all hope was for some kind of "twist" at the end of the season, so the appearance of Martha from another world will hopefully bring freshness ONLY if this is not part of the way for Jonas's loop. Let's see :)
I do not understand Jonas's words that everything will be OK - Mikel will not disappear, and Michael will live. How do you mean? Michael doesn't exist without Mikel, after all.
There are simply no words. I was confused about the time frame for the whole series, and then at the end they threw a fishing rod about worlds. So that the brain really explodes. The only thing that makes me very happy is that there is already a third season)))) Bombastic and cool series, it really makes you think and watch everything that happens, if you just miss or watch it, you can really get confused. But I really like this way of presenting the series.
Kick-ass is simple!! I could never have imagined that there could be one big Swedish family in a German town🤣
After watching the series, you need to verify that you are not your mother's mother and that your son is not your husband's grandfather.
It's very interesting what (or rather who) Hannah and Egon will get, 100% someone's relative!
Another question for Jonas is that it's funny to look at his clean-shaven face and already well-grown hair. That is, he has time to shave. And at some point in all his endless travels, he realized that he was too lazy to shave.
@Staro4ka: You've noticed everything so accurately, you just want to check your family tree. As it is, the series is just addictive with its mysticism and fantasy.
I have a question. The man who opened the door at the beginning with the woman, that's Noah at the age, I thought..And then I saw that familiar look - it was Magnus. 🤯
So Charlotte is Elizabeth's daughter and mother, and Noah is Elizabeth's father?
It's very complicated…
The most annoying thing is that they were all killed by their loved ones.… Martha was killed by Jonas, who did everything for her. Egan's death was at the hands of his daughter Claudia.
This is a jigsaw puzzle series. The second season went better because I didn't have to get used to the characters. The concept is clear, sit and put the puzzle together.
For some reason, many people are delighted with the fact that Charlotte is Elizabeth's daughter. Well, that's actually something superfluous for me. But most importantly, how could this have happened initially (without the car) if Noah is in 1927? And now he somehow artificially got into the bunker in 2020, just out of nowhere (without prerequisites). I hope they will not forget to explain why it was necessary to pull him out into the present, so that he would create a child in the future, who would then be sent back to the past for some reason.
Well, in general, the mess is that Jonas, like a chicken without a head, jumps through time for the sake of the most evil character in the person of Marta, whom he cannot be with, because she is his aunt, and in the end he kills her. And on the other hand, Claudia, who says that these sacrifices are for Regina, who already has cancer and will die anyway. Well, sort of nuuu.... it's all for this?? Therefore, the transition to another world (where apparently there is no Jonas) is a very good move, for a respite from all this compote
While everyone is arguing about the possibility or impossibility of a twist, Charlotte/Elizabeth, they're finding out who's nastier than Martha or Hannah (obviously Hannah) or they don't understand what's going on at all, I was really confused by only one moment. Namely, why did they suddenly start listening to what a cop wanted to open/dig up at an object with increased danger, special protocols and limited access, even if there was a search warrant? With this warrant, he could walk around the rooms and look at the bedside tables at most. When they were required to open something, they simply had to turn it around to the exit, citing safety precautions and violation of protocols, special procedures, etc. This is probably the most ridiculous moment of both seasons.
I also noticed that the new time machine from another world that the alternate Martha uses is a one-on-one Apple of Eden. That's why I thought for a second that Darkness and the Assassin are the same universe, Desmond is Jonas' son, and they will jump on roofs with hidden blades there. Considering what's going on here for the confusion with timelines, I wouldn't even be surprised.
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685, and the ending is somehow weak or crumpled
This was the case in Lost - when the heroes returned to the past, we were shown 2 versions of the future, the one they created and their further actions after returning from the past.
It was the same in Terminator 5 - the characters returned to the past, but not to their reality.
In the Dark, they went even further and made time a convention, as a simple coordinate for certain events that should happen. It is no longer clear what is the cause and what is the consequence: the past or the future, the characters themselves or the very history of these events. This is very interesting to watch!
However, it turns out that both concepts are used in the series at once, and this is aaaaaaa.
P.S. I'm glad I watched the first season just the day before, it's hard to expect such a series.
in fact, in this scenario, a person can be a mother to himself. So Elizabeth is her mother's mother - it was very expected.
For such "smart guys" it is worth clarifying what is already obvious to the rest: it means a chicken egg. "which came first, the chicken or the egg?"
In the end, I expected an epic battle between Katarina and Hannah in the catacombs)
And it seems that "Darkness" is the first (of those that I have watched) time travel movies in which nothing changes. Everything has already happened, there is no beginning and no end. And usually everything is like the "butterfly effect" - they change the future / past and make it worse / better.
, in the film they say in plain text "time machine", "time jump", "time travel", "we send him to the past", "trying to run time through Lang, you ran Lang through time", "chronosdrive",
and the scriptwriters in an interview talked about all this it is operated as "time-travel".
The directors write in their interview: "The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality."
Yes, it's a non-standard type of travel for cinema. but these are primarily intertemporal movements. parallel universes are only the result of time travel.
Adam leads Jonas on the wrong track, saying that he can change everything, but in fact, attempts lead to the fact that everything goes on as usual and in the end Jonas resigns himself and becomes Adam? Claudia tries to help Jonas change everything, but in the end he becomes Adam because that's how it was supposed to be? So Claudia and Adam are on the same side?
But for the same person to be both himself and his relative at the same time - this is the first time they did it in this series (Elizabeth and Charlotte) - that's why it seems strange and out of the rules.
when young Noah told the adult Jonas to save the three boys "and later me and Agnes",
it seemed to me that these were the children of Magnus and Franziska, although at first there were thoughts of Jonas and Marta.
So it turns out that Agnes is Ulrich's grandmother, Magnus's great-grandmother, and her own (and Jonas') great-great-grandmother. That's assuming she's really their child. No, well, after Charlotte's story, I won't be surprised at anything anymore.
This season, something like "Vinden is a small town and it's strange that almost everyone who was born in it stays." Maybe it's true that all the main characters (or almost all of them) exist because of the time loop and are related to each other.
If Adam's henchmen are Magnus and Franziska, then I wonder where Bartosz is. When Adam was shown for the first time, it seemed to me that he was Bartosz. Who knows, maybe he is, and he's just cheating on Jonas again))
The series has explicitly hinted that this theory is true. As we wrote above, when young Noah was telling an adult Jonas to save three guys, "and later me and Agnes."
But who knows, maybe it's all just guesswork)
The safety was on the gun. Noah either didn't know how it worked (although it's unlikely, but the devil knows what time the gun was from and at what time he was hanging out more), or he just started to panic when the first shot didn't sound, but Adam remained calm (and he remained calm because he knew that he will live to see himself sent into the future, where he will kill his girlfriend, because he saw this moment himself in his youth).
That is, it is far from a fact that there are directly "forces of nature" that prevent time from changing.
And since, when she saw Charlotte in the portal, she first asked "Mom?", she probably doesn't know that this is also her daughter at the same time.
Hopefully, we won't have to wait two years until next season.
But young Noah went into the bunker and met a little deaf mute there, so they met, but it's not clear what year they ended up in, and how Charlotte got to the watchmaker. Noah seems to have told me that she was born a weak child, but I no longer remember the details.
I got the impression that the child was taken away from them.
By the way, the same situation occurs in one of the episodes of Futurama, when Fry sleeps with his grandmother in the past and becomes a girl for himself in the future.
There are only those versions that are younger. The circle has closed
Charlotte and Elizabeth are as closely related as Mikkel and Jonas. Elizabeth must give birth to Charlotte, so that she can end up in the past and become her mother in the future. It's a cycle. It was the same in Terminator - John Connor has to send his father back in time to be born.
The moment when young Noah entered the bunker, and little Elizabeth was sitting there, was most likely the moment of their acquaintance. Why is it non-existent?
, but in general, after that movie where the main character changed her gender, went back in time and made herself a child, who eventually turned out to be the same, the turn with Charlotte and Elizabeth doesn't seem so strange to me.
which perfectly illustrates the second season of "darkness."
Throw in the music tracks from the season, we need to update the playlist. https://music.yandex.ru/users/audiotec/playlists/1006
The question is a thousand times more than the answers
https://music.yandex.ru/users/audiotec/playlists/1006
Here's a good example, but it's after the first season. https://www.facebook.com/DARKNetflix/videos/1587530494649263/
And Claudia said she saw a world without Jonas.
And Adam said he wanted to create a new world without God, aka time.
Hmm...
Although not. He said he'd been through her loss.
upd: this was a response to a comment from above, myshows blunted
The season seemed to be going pretty smoothly with the expected moments of the audience being overwhelmed by certain details, but the last episode seemed to have added a ton of such details on top.
PS Adam wants to create a world without time, Claudia says that she has seen a world without Jonas and he is even more shit than with Jonas, conclusion: in the third season it turns out that Jonas-Adam is the personification of time and everything is worse without him than with him :lol:
Joke :D
...but who knows :lol:
And this girl, she looks like Martha, of course, but she herself said that "I'm not who you think I am"...
But in general, most of all, I wonder what's wrong with the eye of a police dude, what happened to the real Alexander and where and who the current Alexander is, and how The policeman with the eye and his trans sister are connected with the whole mess. I hope this will be explained...
Oh, and where did Mikel/Michael's foster mom go? I don't remember if her fate was shown in the first season after she gave Jonas the letter (wasn't that her?).
and in the end, it turns out that Adam stole the baby, Noah read it in those sheets from the diary, and it blew his mind))
It's good that I refreshed season 1 before season 2, at least some moments were not so incomprehensible, but this series broke my brain. And it's so fucking awesome! Definitely the best TV series since the beginning of the year. And the only one where the new season was not only not ruined, but better done.
P.S. I urgently need season 3.
No, well, this is a complete promotion! But it's amazing.
it is incredibly fascinating that the story is complete and written from the very beginning, and not thought out in the course of what is happening.
I have no doubt, as many people write here, that everyone is related to each other and the parents of themselves (the Elizabeth-Charlotte bundle is a complete shock! I don't even want to think about it, my brain is already howling and begging for mercy).
the existence of a parallel world opens up new possibilities, because there can be an infinite number of them, I hope this does not spoil the integrity of the narrative. but the scriptwriters have proven themselves well, so I believe that the chain will be promoted properly.
Wow, now there's only one main question among others — how do we wait for the third season(
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As soon as the feeling of WTF passes, you need to sit down to read the wiki, Reddit and study the updated infographics on the series (I hope they will appear soon) in order to relive what was shown and put it into a coherent picture.
This is a truly unique creation. The scriptwriters are not that stupid, they rather consider their viewers to be geniuses, and they don't stop giving in to the heat until the very end.
I just applaud the seed at the end. First of all, mourning is canceled in March (okay, not really: who knows what kind of foreign country it will turn out to be?). Secondly, it's really bold.
Hannah Vaughn is already messing with Ego, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a child. Egon's wife is in love with Agnes, and he himself is interested in Hannah, so...
Heh, what if Hannah is Katarina's grandmother? She's already slept with her husband and son, right?)
And where Katarina herself got to...
but surely at the time of the "granddaughter" he did not know how bad everything was...
or knew About
By what acquaintance? Claudia, when she found out in 2020 that Alexander was the director, she was shocked! She disappeared into 86 without a trace, don't forget! This is a strategically important facility with a special jurisdiction, as he himself said, where the special services check up to the 7th knee, for sure, and such a subject as Alexander/Boris would never have become a director there!
But this is essentially the only such powerful shoal of screenwriters, otherwise the super work of those who created such a thoughtful, self-consistent script!
The same Jonas, only the average version. Why did he explain so vaguely to Martha why she needed to go to the bunker? Like, damn, there's a difference between "come with me" and "we need to get going, apocalypse, let's die." Why didn't those who knew about the bunker and the apocalypse TELL ANYONE at ALL?
In general, for two seasons, the characters, even when they try to say something, DO IT SO ABSTRACTLY AND VAGUELY that their strained relationships and scandals seem to be a pattern.
Katarina pissed me off again, by the way. SHE JUST BARGED INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE AND STOLE THINGS when she was about to be killed, she couldn't bear to look at her.
P.S. No, not at all. Ulrich IMMEDIATELY understood what was going on, and he was 100% into the situation. But alas, he did not make it... But only beaten-up psychopaths will be able to judge him for this. He had already gone over himself to do what he thought was right. Almost made it...
the sheriff was also thinking pretty well, although without the concept of movement, it certainly wasn't that easy for him to get to the bottom of everything (and yet he did get to the bottom before he died).
The inspector, having 0 information, also clicks everyone like nuts. Yes, he doesn't "push" to the end because he has nothing to push with, just knowing that they are lying to him is not evidence.
So despite the fact that many characters think "momentarily" there are those who are capable of more, so still "not everyone".
And I also didn't understand this point: it means that she doesn't even want to stand next to the average Jonas, and she's happy to fight in the gums with the young one (who's from the future)! But he doesn't stop being her nephew! 🙄
P.S. And, by the way, it's not a fact that she's her own mother. So the arrow is not drawn quite correctly.
Martha is such a fool. There is a hope that the parallel one will be smarter.
Everyone was also wondering who the girl from the future was, but by the end of the season they all forgot about her))
so the guy from Bartosh's photo subtly resembles something (does he have a face shape?...)
and if we were tricked by the scriptwriters and none of them is Bartosz, and he dies young in the first five minutes of the third season, I wouldn't be surprised either))
As she peered into the people's faces, the woman behind Magnus and Franziska somehow resembled a slightly aged Hannah. But with such quality, of course, you won't see it like that :D
There are a lot of women in the photo: besides the understandable Francisca, there are 4 more! Hannah, Charlotte, and Elizabeth are probably there, but there's no doubt about Katarina!
Oh, and Regina should definitely be there, she was also in the bunker!
at the moment, the events in the series show that the predefined things in the loops have changed. that is, the "errors" began to "fix" the "loop" code.
I think Adam's final idea is when there will be so many "mistakes" that the "loop" will not load and will fall apart under the weight of itself (and then they will all be wiped out automatically (or not). because even if they kill Jonas, nothing will change. Even if they jump out the window, too. because while they're all jumping out the window, their versions of the past continue to live and rummage through the future)
Winden is a trap city in short. with a natural anomaly in the form of spatial and temporal instability. and whoever gets there is doomed to spin in its history like a squirrel in a wheel.
well, or he really lost all hope and just saws into the grave, fulfilling his destiny (which is unlikely. he figured out how to create his own sphere, so he's definitely not a fool). Then we can say that Claudia has been making "mistakes" all this time.
The creators have erected such a titanic structure inside the time frame that it will be incredibly difficult to untangle this knot. But the fact that they announced the final third season still inspires confidence that they know the ending of the story.
I liked the development of almost all the characters, which begins immediately with the beginning of the first episode of the season, some characters, as it turned out, have much deeper help than originally thought. With the same success, all four families may turn out to be the product of their own efforts, where some paradoxes create other paradoxes. I'm starting to think that Noah and Agnes are Jonas and Marta's children.
Of those who definitely surprised this season, Hannah, her adventures and the final dialogue with Tiedemann involuntarily brought a smile.
The only thing I didn't like was when the police came to the nuclear power plant and ordered the pool to be opened. Seriously? Just like that, just come to a high-security facility, not knowing what the fuck is buried there and let's open it? Anyway, the whole line of this detective story is kind of forced. I also didn't understand who his brother was in the photo and why he was hanging on to Alexander?
Cliff and Martha were a little confused, especially if they add other realities (and it's pretty easy to do that, considering how much Gerio has produced) and how they'll handle it all. But then there's the question of what kind of letter from Marta (if I'm not mistaken) Noah showed Jonas, which made his eyes pop out of his head. Apparently, Martha's death is also not as simple as it seems.
Well, one-eyed. I remember from the first season wondering what happened to his eye. Then he started to talk and almost had an accident) I got the impression that his eye will be almost the most important move in the third season, that it is the beginning :rofl: But seriously, there is simply too much attention to his character to just be like that)
The photo shows the detective's brother, unknown to us, whose name was Alexander, and who disappeared in 1986.
The director of the NPP is actually Boris, who in '86, hiding from the police, found Alexander's documents and pretended to be him. Then he took his wife's last name to cover his tracks. And the detective is looking for all of his brother's namesakes, and this one seemed very suspicious to him, so he got hooked.
Actually, it seems to me that Boris killed Alexander in the forest, probably by accident. But I certainly won't look for this moment in the first season))
Here's another question from a long line: Who sent the letter to Commissioner Clausen?!
But it was cool. It's a great season. It's a great series.
And I still can't understand why this storyline with the murder of children in the bunker was included? The child was put in some kind of device that burned out his eyes, and then Helge brought the corpses to another time frame. What for?
The device for moving children through time was one of the stages of creating a device in Adam's basement capable of moving to any time point, this was directly discussed. There were no details (how exactly and who moved from one device to another), but the fact itself is important here - you can't build a car without inventing a wheel, you can't build a final mega-device without successfully working herobora in a bunker
That is, in a certain sense, there were no other time nodes without it.
Yes, that's probably it. But still, why boys are needed has not been explained in half a word yet!
In general aaaaaaaaa
I'm already confused trying to explain
The most epic moment of the season: when Jonas realized that Adam had tricked him, and that Jonas eventually helped Mikkel run through the cave (thanks to the creators for explaining this moment). I just didn't understand his next phrase, "Claudia mentored me for 12 months." That is, he lived for a whole year from that moment under cover at that time? Did you spend Mikkel, as it should be? And then what did he do for the remaining six months? (maybe I didn't understand this point.)
I also didn't understand what caused the apocalypse (explosion). Just because they opened a waste barrel? Or was it because Elizabeth and Charlotte had touched through a time wormhole?
And at the very beginning of the season, they made it clear that the killer miner was Noah... I didn't believe it because he has blonde hair, but Noah has dark hair. But it turned out that this is really the case.-.
As always, Hannah (well, Martha, of course) was the most infuriating of all the season, but, as for me, she acted smarter than everyone else by teleporting in 1954, long before the apocalypse. I wish her a good life there)))
And, as noted above, the stupidest moment: Jonas, when Adam was aiming at him, did not cover Martha with his body. It was obvious that he wouldn't kill himself.
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Overall, the season was invigorating, and I didn't like the ending, as in season 1. If only cliffhanger could be done, I hope the creators won't let up in season 3 and finish the series properly :/ And I hope that by season 3 I won't forget everything I just watched))
But what really catches your eye is the eyes)) the average Jonas. Well, let's think that they are no longer blue from radiation. And abstinence.
About the explosion. I watched the moment of the last episode, where Jonas Jr. is spinning with Claudia the middle (ahhh) at the barrels. He tears off the lid (safely irradiated by oO) and... puts or takes out something? They don't show it until the end. "Big and small things follow the same laws. We can't change something big, but with a small one, we can make something happen. We are changing one grain of sand, and with it the whole world," I don't know how to understand this. It's possible that Jonas tried to make it work like that. After all, thanks to this particular detail, a black cloud appears, for a reason, we were shown it in the hands of a guy next to a barrel, which (what a coincidence) will be opened first.
I thought about it now, and it occurred to me that Noah had bought the time machine that Hannah had stolen (he took it from her in 1954, for example)
But about that wand, at 27-28 minutes of episode 8, he contacts it in the cave and opens a passage, but perhaps he laid out that small tube with radioactive cesium (like)... But why ? He thought he was going to make a difference again, but has the apocalypse come anyway?
Why is it dark? An adult Noah is as blond as a young one.
And the color may change with age)
But could it just be a blunder? Or do you think this is a hint that something went differently this time?
Perhaps the Martha that appeared at the end is the real Martha. Well, that is, the one who did not live in all these loops. She lives in a world where no one has tried to change anything, move through time, etc. Accordingly, there is no Jonas, Charlotte, Franziska, etc. ...
Oh, in short, my brain explodes with theories, for sure it's all nonsense, and we'll find out the whole truth in June-July 2020.
It turns out that in season 1 the apocalypse happened because of the adult Jonas, and in season 2 because of the young Jonas. After all, he was the one who, being underground with Claudia, poured something into these barrels, knowing that they would be opened on the 27th.
Does this mean that season 1 had one cycle, and in season 2 we already see another cycle of movements?
It turns out that our Jonas moved into the future, but in a new cycle, in which the date of the apocalypse changed, as he no longer tried to stop the cycle using a time machine, because the young Jonas knew that nothing Won't it work? But on the way to trying to stop the apocalypse, I realized that he was still needed and became its cause once again. We still don't understand why, all these questions and answers are left for season 3, I feel like it's going to be epic!
And in the third season there will be just the 3rd, the last cycle.
God, this series is a real brain bomb.
Apparently, this is a blunder.
I saw a question about this moment in the comments to the first episode and was surprised, because in the episode that I was watching at that moment, the cross was in place))
And if you look at 2x01 on Netflix now, the 21st in the calendar in 2053 is crossed out.
https://a.radikal.ru/a00/2008/3c/eac9fbb8eb5f.jpg
Most likely, the Netflix blunder was noticed and fixed, but by that time the "uncorrected" version of the series, of course, had already spread online.
Since the number 2053 is crossed out everywhere on Neftlix right now, it means it was definitely a blunder. So, they made a blunder, and the fans of the series built a lot of theories on this calendar.
I don't even want to write theories and questions, of which there are thousands in my head right now, just because I understand that for sure everything will be like I never dreamed.
I will only write one thing, Adam left Jonas despite the Apocalypse. So he knew that a new Marta would appear. So, bitch, everything is going the way it was before! They didn't change anything! And if a new cycle has begun, it turns out that everything that has already happened cannot be changed, or can something else be changed?!!! PIZDEC NAHOI BLYAT!
The main question is, how do I live to see season 3 and not forget everything that happened?! I feel like I'll be reviewing it before the new season.
Of course, it is impossible to explain this from the point of view of genetics. Also here, Noah moved into the future. I grew up next to Elizabeth, we fell in love, and a daughter was born, but someone moved her to another time. He didn't even know where she was for a long time.
Everything is interconnected.
On the other hand, they are just a paradox of all these movements. If you suddenly imagined a world in which all this did not exist, they would not exist. Just like Jonas, that's all.
that is, it turns out that Adam tried to shift the course of events a little bit each new cycle. so that each new iteration increases the number of "errors" in the "loop" code.
but in order to move this colossus out of the lives of a large number of people a little bit at a time, it was still necessary to perform predetermined actions.
and this is certainly not new and not fresh - parallel universes. but if we think of it as the fact that actions-not actions -shifted the course of events in the "loop" a little bit each cycle, then after a certain number of repetitions of these "loops", a different sequence of events arose in the same "loop".
that is, in fact - this is NO LONGER a parallel universe of some kind - but the SAME "loop", but with a different set of triggers?
and Adam still managed to start the shift of the "loop" from its axis of events?
I'm looking forward to the third season with anticipation and with the hope that Hannah of the fifties will not become the ancestor of any of the already familiar, adequate characters. 😂
according to the same logic, however, someone came to a different conclusion that Alexander could be the child of Jonas, who had already come up with this surname in honor of his father.
Even worse
Alexander/Boris was born in 1966. Hannah became 49 years old in 1954. In 66, she was 61 years old. Give birth to someone? Doubtful, but okay)
fiction is fiction, but it seems to me that one of the most basic messages of the series is that there are those who imagine themselves destined from above and lead, pull the strings of those others, and the rest, due to their weakness or suggestibility, stupidity, etc., will obey completely forgetting that they have their own brains
Like a teenager, Jonas, who trusted everyone. and it's very strange that Adam goes by the name of Adam when his name is Jonas. maybe he traveled through time in such a way that he gave birth to all people in principle and considers himself a la creator, or he has never been Jonas at all, but just messes with everyone the same way. Sect!
I feel sorry for Martha. They were such a nice couple with Jonas. but Jonas promised that he would fix everything, let's see how he does it... or he will score and muddy the one from another universe ...
just as many questions as it was. The scriptwriters got smart. Well, they get paid for it)) if you read a couple of books on philosophy, you'll remember a strange dream thread - that's the plot for the series)
there are too many weaves that flow from some kind of tangled rhizome.
interesting. It's kind of relatively fresh and original.
I really like that philosophy, drama, romance, and some aspects of the stage get into the issues of fiction, which result in something exciting.
at some point several Jonas will meet at once, of different ages, but in one place there will be a "round table")) It sounds ridiculous, but I won't be surprised anymore.
Cool season! This is one of the few TV shows that I watch almost without breathing, so as not to miss any plot twist by accident.
It was already written about Tronta in the comments to the previous episodes, but within the framework of the series this is banal!
Regina's father is Bartosz, and Peter's mother is Franziska!
What do you think of Elon Musk?! 😀
What was in the letter? That he still took off and ran to save the three.
But then I went here in the comments and read the explosive (but as simple and logical as possible) idea that all of Winden are relatives and descendants of each other. Freudian fuck :D
If in season 1 the main shock for me was that the lost Mikel is, after all, Jonas' father, then in season 2: That Charlotte and Elizabeth are daughter and mother to each other at the same time
There's only one reaction - 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
It's very complicated, confusing, but cool.
Shot on a level, played back too. The picture pleases the eye. And if you want to understand something, you can't get distracted!
ps: volovik, it's not from the series, it's something like offscreen filming of season 3.
Beautiful actress, I really like it!
As for incest, there are examples where children were born without genetic abnormalities. Although Elizabeth's case just hints at the opposite, because the girl does not speak.
PS: I've been watching a movie for a long time (I don't remember the name) in which a dude moved through time and copulated with some woman, who then gave birth from him. Later, after some more time transitions, it turned out that the woman was himself, because at some point this dude changed his gender, and was even able to give birth! And their child is also himself!!! I wouldn't want there to be such trash in this series either.
Below, in a separate comment, I will write a scheme of genetic transmission, as I drew it for myself on a piece of paper in the order of delirium)))
I read the comments here and remembered the multi-page discussions and vangovanii on the forum lostfilm.ru during the 2-3 Lost seasons.
The main thing is that the creators of Darkness really have a well-thought-out plot from the beginning and an understanding of how everything will logically end (fervent greetings to Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse in 2007). So far, they give no reason for doubt.
About the one-eyed cop. Perhaps it's not how he got the blindfold that matters, but the fact that one eye is closed from the audience - hereditary heterochromia?
Another idea is that all this was not time travel before, but to parallel worlds, each of which goes in 33-year increments from the previous/subsequent one. The situation with the calendar above fits perfectly in the comments. Because if it's all time travel within the same world, then by definition nothing can be changed.
It seems to me that if you carefully review this series a couple of times, then there will be such small details that do not correspond to another time.
And then the new Marta comes from a parallel chain of parallel universes ;)
Here's some kind of geometry (sorry for the quality, I can't draw in Photoshop).
The black and purple lines are worlds. The red one is where the action of seasons 1 and 2 takes place. A new Marta has arrived on the green line. An ordinary three-dimensional matrix.
It's the same as with Adam. His whole face is disfigured, and you can't tell who he is by his appearance. There's even a theory in the accounts above that he's Martha :)
Sorry for the confusing comment, I have a mess in my head.
And about Charlotte and Elizabeth, well, that's a tough argument.
In fact, at the beginning of the season, I was inspired by the idea of resemblance to 12 monkeys (the concept that no matter what you do, the result is one and two camps: one to destroy, the second to repair), but then we went further and better. Elizabeth-Charlotte, well, that's right... thank you for not being a Time Patrol, although-I-I-I, you never know what the scriptwriters will screw up, especially when there is a wonderful and not fully revealed Benny.
According to the series, I was a little upset by the cliffhanger on the topic of a parallel world, but... Apparently, in this world, playing with time is already stressful, so as not to slip into some kind of banality.
Let's believe that the brilliant screenwriters will make it even cooler, as they were able to create with the second season! :) I couldn't imagine that the second season was no worse than the first :D
P.S. At the moment, this is the top of the science fiction series! The point is not the plot and so on, but the fact that the scriptwriters play with the plot in such a way that you expect some obvious continuation, but everything turns out differently. And it's still interesting. And even after some cliches and rather pretentious speeches, it didn't get any less interesting, quite the opposite :) That I watched the first episode of the first season, that I watched the last one - it even became more interesting.
And she also said that Helge might not be from Berndt.
Oh my God, what if Helge is Magnus' son?????
And it's not entirely clear why Noah was experimenting on children in a bunker if they built a time machine back in the 21st century.
Noah experimented simply because all the older characters had already experienced it, and they knew what it was, so it needed to be repeated. It's like the moment where Jonas kidnapped little Mikel. Everything is interconnected. And where the beginning of everything is, we'll find out in season 3!
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By the way, I hadn't thought about it before. She immediately reminded me of Francisca.
After watching it, two feelings grow stronger in me at once - that in principle everything is clear and that in principle nothing is clear.
The creators of this season explained some of the questions of the first one, threw a lot of fishing rods, dragged a whole parallel universe and left us with all this with nasty smiles))
There are a lot of mysteries left (maybe I missed something while watching), which I even want to list.:
- where did the diary with the torn pages come from, who wrote it?
- Where did Elizabeth get her scars? In the photo with the newborn Charlotte, her face is clean.
- Who took Charlotte away from Noah and Elizabeth, Adam or Claudia?
- who sent a letter to a detective whose brother was killed, after which he rushed to Viden?
"What happened to the policeman's eye?"
- what kind of interaction and alignment of forces do Claudia and Adam have? Is the former really trying to interfere with the latter, or are all her actions, on the contrary, following his (or their common) plans?
How did Adam know what Claudia had said to Noah before she died? About the fact that he never figured out how to play.
- Has Jonas the average ever found himself in a parallel world, into which non-Marta dragged Jonas Jr. at the end of the season? Was that the world Claudia was talking about?
- who are the other people in the photo? Obviously, we've seen it on all the other travelers (or rather, at the wrong age). Were Hannah and Katarina in the photo, since both of them can now rightfully be considered travelers?
And a million more questions and answers that I can't remember)
I'm waiting for the third season and hope that the story with parallel universes still won't look too alien.
It seems to me a very plausible version from the comments above that Adam would not have left Jonas to die a moment before apacalypsis if he had not known that Marta would come from the parallel world and save Jonas.
- If the world ended tomorrow and everything started all over again, what would you wish for?
- A world without Winden.
Perhaps, in order to avoid the end of the world, it is really necessary not only to "erase" Jonas, but the whole of Winden.
I was a little upset that they also added a parallel universe (purely about time paradoxes is more interesting, I think), but I hope the authors will pull it all out. The second season is great.
I hope, I really hope, that March 2.0 will not be the same as the one that was presented in these two seasons.
Why does Adam have the same carpet in the future as in my past 30 years ago?
I would like to wait for the third season now and not forget what happened in the previous ones(
In fact, all this happens simply because they have come to themselves from the past/future a hundred times.
From the moment that Charlotte is both Elizabeth's daughter and mother, I just got carried away.
Everything was too much hyped up in the last two episodes and it was disappointing, although before that the series was exciting.
And next season, obviously, everything will be even worse...
I get a little bit of this "butterfly effect", it's so strange that "whatever happened, it means it had to be so."
And in the end: fucked up, what's going on again (but apparently the grain of sand worked)
At first, nothing is clear from season 1, it's boring, gloomy and slow, and then in the second half of the season it starts the very thing for which the series has high ratings, and you're like, "wow, wow, it can't be!" you sit in general amazed, and it would seem you just grasped the essence what's going on behind the tail, like a new series, new events and you're sitting in a puddle again and you don't understand anything, and in general, such a closed cycle happens to the viewer while he watches the cycles in the series))
In general, this is something incredibly cool, unusual, very exciting, the selection of actors is amazing, and yet how boldly they twist the plot deeper, I hope in season 3 it will also be adequately promoted and explained to us))
Now they are introducing new worlds - it is interesting to find out what the rules of movement will be here. These new rules should not break everything that was in the two seasons. The creators should understand this, which means you can speculate on why no one has appeared from other worlds before.
Alternatively, the same "prototypes" from different worlds cannot live in the same world. Then Martha could not appear earlier. Well, if all the worlds are tied to Jonas, then it is clear that such a move was the only salvation of the universe. This was the youngest version of Jonas, who still has to live up to Adam, but is in the epicenter of the explosion without protection.
1) why do Adam and Noah count the days until the apocalypse if they have the opportunity to jump immediately on any day of any year?
2) why do heroes get old and wait for the right timing, if they can do all their business at all times at once, and then go on vacation?
3) then what is the meaning of "cycles" at all?
It seemed to me that the canon with a cycle of 33 years was observed. it's strange if the scriptwriters made such a mistake...
There are so many plots and questions that nothing will fit in season 3. And even parallel universes now. You can safely mix up 7 seasons.
If it seemed to you that Elizabeth, who is Charlotte's mother and her daughter, is too much, then I conjure you to watch this movie :)
A season rich in events and twists! I will be waiting for the continuation of this story.
I felt even a little sorry for Noah....Hannah is infuriating to the point of horror. I wonder where Katerina went.
I feel sorry for Martha ...
But the meaning of this season is clear, nothing can be fixed, Jonas the adult should have already understood by the example of his father that his actions could lead to Martha's death. But they persistently try to fix everything, and they themselves become the cause ....
The mess with Charlotte, Elizabeth's daughter and her mother is the only thing that goes over the edge. On the verge of a foul. But if you consider that all the residents do not come and go from here, they are in a loop. Everything seems to be fine.
1) the characters grow up, find their younger versions with the help of a time machine, mentor them so that they grow up again and become mentors for their younger versions. each such iteration in the series is called a "cycle"
2) it is impossible to influence the main events of the cycle, but small adjustments are possible. we wrote above about the calendar, which looks different in the first and last series
3) Adam's plan is to make small changes to each cycle so that eventually, after several cycles, these changes accumulate into a "snowball" that will affect more significant events
5) The first and second seasons end the same way - a portal opens between the times and a black sphere appears in the sky above the station. most likely, the apocalypse also occurred at the end of the first season, which means that in the first and second seasons we are shown different cycles. in the first cycle, everything exploded in November 2019, and in the second in June 2020.
6) if we are shown different cycles, then, for example, Magnus in the first season and in the second season are different people. In June 2020, Magnus from the first cycle has been living in the post-apocalypse for six months, whereas for Magnus from the second cycle, this apocalypse has not happened yet.
7) The apocalypse is a key event. the fact that his date has "moved" six months ahead proves that Adam's plan is working. The apocalypse cannot be undone, but many small changes over the course of several cycles have been able to change the moment of its onset.
Is everything correct?) or is it better not to even try to figure it all out without a third season?
At the end of the first season, I was sure that the second season would slip away, because the intrigue was lost and just time travel would begin. But no, the plot is twisted inside out, unexpected twists are pleasing every time, acting and emotions... Wow, it's been a great season.
I'm really looking forward to season 3
They've been telling us here for ages that the beginning = the end, and in the end they come up with this strange move with Elizabeth and Charlotte.
Judging by the hints, Adam and Agnes had something. That's why I thought it was their son (who would become Ulrich's father).
We were not shown the cards with Regina's father, but they showed that Claudia and Ulrich's father were dating. Therefore, it can be assumed that Ulrich and Regina are brother and sister by father.
Hannah and Michael (Mikkel, Ulrich's son) are Jonas' parents.
If at least one of Charlotte's parents was a descendant of Adam, then the circle would be closed!
Adam = Jonas, the beginning and the end of everything.
Imagine, 4 families suddenly turned into one.
That would be nice and unexpected.
The series
I couldn't start watching for six months, but I started doing it in one go.
actually, I liked everything so much that I want to start the time machine myself so that season 3 can be filmed as soon as possible and see everything!
The first four episodes of the second season are excellent, though then self-replays reappeared. More letters, more conversations about how everything is connected and everything affects everything, again the characters become the reason for what they wanted to prevent, again plottwists with the kinship of the characters. Some storylines are so long-drawn out that when they suddenly have a twist, it doesn't matter. The time series has timing issues.
But these are my personal quibbles about plotting. So the series is insanely thoughtful. The writers did an amazing job with all that consistency. Well, casting is a separate topic. In some moments, it really felt like Marta was meeting an adult Jonas. "When you know, everything becomes obvious." The striking similarity of the actors, which deceives perception. You realize that there are different people in front of you, but you see the same hero.
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How cruel it was to kill Martha ;(
The finale is just a bummer😱
10/10
I remember how the first 2-3 episodes seemed rather slow, and there was a fear that they would not be able to reveal such a large number of characters, but they did it! Of course, riddles and innuendos remained, but over the course of season 2, the choice of some characters became clear.
During the review, funny things came to light - how Elizabeth parental kisses Charlotte on the forehead before parting at school, how Adam smiles slightly, sending Jonas back to his father.
So much has been thought out and it's great! ❤
"I can't die because I am in the future," Jonas said. So what's the problem, kill yourself in the future. She let Claudia kill herself. For what? To change something in the past and take a different path? Perhaps.
I caught myself several times that I was watching the development of some original unique loop. And then she pulled herself up: no, they just show us what happens in the loop every time, it's all happened before. It's a strange feeling.
Cycles are three 33 years, three times? Youth-maturity-old age?
In short, as many have already written, nothing is clear, but it is very interesting. 😆
So who wrote that? Adam? 🙄
but it's a good idea with a name.
In general, of course, it is a very rare work where the authors seriously thought about time travel. No one really knows how time travel would behave if it were possible, but at least the logic of what is happening is clear and respected.
I'm waiting for the third season, the authors are great (although it's delayed in places, but this is the style, of course).
And the sound is just a masterpiece ..
We're stocking up on kinship schemes and timelines, a parallel world has appeared. Oh.
I'm just in shock.
Guys, a device that can move into the future and the past, the fate of humanity depends on it... - WHERE IS IT???
- The mother took it away :D
Moms are such moms
And what about Charlotte and Elizabeth? Did they "switch" their time, like Jonas and Helge did last season? But Jonas was suddenly swept away in 2053...
And what did Katarina see there? I still don't get it.
Why is there a paradox with a book, etc., that its creation is erased, but with a time machine this could not be done?
Could no one from the future have brought this suitcase to the past, so that it would go further? It's just that against the background of such funny paradoxes, the topic of the chair and the murders of children seems a little strange.
Killing children eventually leads to the creation of a balloon, apparently. Despite the fact that the ball can move people at any time, and Sic Mundus, in theory, can send even drawings, even details, even technologies at any time, they will not do this. They use this function just to keep the loop alive. They don't want to disrupt the natural course of events, so they don't interfere with it.
it seemed interesting that he still couldn't understand why his father committed suicide, and then it turned out that it was he who suggested that this was his fate. and in general, that he is a direct participant in both Mikkel's disappearance and his father's suicide.
Of course, the fact that Agnes and Charlotte are both daughters and mothers at the same time is a bit strange.
Maybe that's why Agnes is deaf and dumb, because she's too closely related.🤔
Jonos took Mikkel to the cave as if nothing had happened because Claudia had seen a world without Jonos and he wasn't very?
We've got it all figured out, and I want to sort everything out in my head as soon as possible.. Hopefully season 3 will clarify everything.
Noah had the last pages for a long time, why did he just decide to tell him that he knew everything?And what was Noah's goal? confused
You can select by specific series. You can view the movements of each character, both all at once and in turn. There is only no Russian.
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the question is not "from what time", but "from what world"
More from the question: how did Alexander Tiedemann become director of the NPP? Claudia disappeared in the 1980s, and he was virtually nobody inside the town at that time. If Claudia had been there, I would have thought it was a scam. But it's not clear. Again, if I've missed something from this season's narrative, please help me figure it out. But if this is explained in the following, then let's not spoil it in the comments here.
I thought the plot of Mikkel-Michael-Jonas was twisted, but mom-daughter-mom? In general, the dump of the head, that's where the real weak point of the whole loop was, it was necessary to hit there.
All these lines, the interweaving of all the stories at different times, it's so fascinating and just makes your brain strain so hard not to miss any important detail.
Sometimes, some moments just make my brain boil. For example, Charlotte and Lisa, mother-daughter, daughter -mother. It's very interesting why Jonas chose this particular path and became an Alpha.
Martha is from another world.. It was also interesting...
it was a pity for Egon, his daughter wanted to save him so much, but it turns out she killed him herself..
I'm sorry for Ulrich, he was in prison, then in a mental hospital.If he hadn't attacked little Helge then, he would have gone home quietly, but he decided to kill the child..
I'm not doubtful about looking further, it's good that you don't have to wait a year until the new season))))
They still haven't explained why they experimented on boys.
He won me over with his strangeness.
Yes, this is the second major blunder in the scenario after the fact that such a murky subject as Alexander/Boris was appointed director of a high-security facility of strategic importance with special jurisdiction! And then a stray cop revealed his whole background with one request to the registry office!
Let's say Charlotte has 23-red, her husband Peter has 23-green mixed and Elizabeth got it. Which has thousands of sets of "23-red-green" eggs, and now one egg, in some way impossible in genetics, carries 23 red chromosomes, that is, exclusively maternal.
The probability of this is, of course, less than 10 to the minus billionth degree, but let's say.
And from this egg, Charlotte is conceived, who receives 23 red chromosomes from her daughter and 23 blue chromosomes from Noah (conditionally), and she, like her daughter, has a bunch of eggs with a red-blue set and, in an impossible probability, one egg with an exclusively set of 23 red chromosomes. From which Elizabeth is born.
The appearance in such cases will be different, because Charlotte has 46 red-blue chromosomes, and Elizabeth 46 red-green ones. There will be no genetic breakdowns for the same reason, the fathers are different and not related.
At least Peter took his daughter to the shelter. Why didn't they tell the children about the apocalypse before, if they already had recordings?
So far, Regina's father, Helge's biological father, Peter's mother, Hannah's mother, Inez's mother, and Katarina's mother are missing.
At first, Helge was suspected, then it turned out that Noah was leading him, then that Adam was leading Noah, now I wouldn't be surprised if in the third season it turns out that Adam is not yet the final link of this elite either.
I wonder if Noah created these prototypes of time machines in order to find his wife and daughter with their help.
In general, everything is very interesting, but there are fears that the extra dimensions will completely confuse everything.
This is a funny moment.
- Where is the device?
- Mom took it.
Just like when I was a kid, when I was playing Tetris.
It was brilliant to bring the opera guy to the city so that he would ruin the station.
The Darkness: Season 2✔
Results:
Despite the fact that this season did not provide answers to the main theme of the series - the time cycle, it also did not throw up a bunch of new questions, everything is more or less clear, and what is not clear can be explained by the same endless cycle.
Now it has become known that in addition to the timeline, there are also alternative universes.
8/10
I'm crazy about this series and the work of the whole, whole team.
Season 2 turned out to be no worse than the first
I worry about absolutely every character.
Luis, who plays Jonas, captures every scene on some incredible level.
You empathize with him so much that you want to go to the screen, hug him and tell him that everything will be fine)
I've been digesting the second season for several days in order to finally get to the final one, but I absolutely don't want to part with the series. 💔
In general, the brain feels that if you sit down to review, then a lot of inconsistencies will start to come out, like who saw whom where, who told whom what at what time. It's very strange that they didn't all live in a permanent sense of deja vu, like when Hannah saw Mikkel before the anniversary. I don't remember the faces of my classmates from elementary school, but show me a picture of those years - it immediately pops into my memory. We once looked at a photo of an old apartment in which we lived until I turned 13 (I'm 34 now for comparison), and the carpet on the floor caught my eye, bljad, how did I already get goosebumps - even after 20 years everything came back to me. And here people are darting back and forth in time, but everyone is shocked when 2+2 finally adds up. Well, fuck it, we're watching fiction anyway.
I didn't like that all the good characters turn out to be bad, and vice versa. And the good ones are bound to suffer. I don't like that. When you start to realize that, in principle, most people in this town are just finished, then somehow you don't worry about them so much. I feel sorry for Regina and Egon, but again we started by introducing them as negative characters.
Shtosh, I'm going to keep looking, otherwise you can't look for GIFs on Tumblr without fucking spoilers x)
Every step of the heroes is very coolly thought up, everyone is trying to avoid a terrible future and at the same time they are doing everything to make it come exactly as it once did. 💔💔💔
But Martha🫣🫣🫣
It turns out that Noah killed Elizabeth's ex (Yasin Friz) in the course of his experiments
The second season, especially the second part of it, caused insane irritation, because the characters, in trying to change something, did exactly what needed to be done so that everything would loop again. Jonas has turned into a terrible egoist who does not need to change anything and all the threads and connections he specially wove many cycles so that in the end the same thing repeats every time. In general, all hope was for some kind of "twist" at the end of the season, so the appearance of Martha from another world will hopefully bring freshness ONLY if this is not part of the way for Jonas's loop. Let's see :)
😂😂😂
After watching the series, you need to verify that you are not your mother's mother and that your son is not your husband's grandfather.
It's very interesting what (or rather who) Hannah and Egon will get, 100% someone's relative!
Another question for Jonas is that it's funny to look at his clean-shaven face and already well-grown hair. That is, he has time to shave. And at some point in all his endless travels, he realized that he was too lazy to shave.
The man who opened the door at the beginning with the woman, that's Noah at the age, I thought..And then I saw that familiar look - it was Magnus. 🤯
So Charlotte is Elizabeth's daughter and mother, and Noah is Elizabeth's father?
It's very complicated…
The most annoying thing is that they were all killed by their loved ones.…
Martha was killed by Jonas, who did everything for her.
Egan's death was at the hands of his daughter Claudia.
And then suddenly Martha comes back🤯🤦🏼♀️
The second season went better because I didn't have to get used to the characters. The concept is clear, sit and put the puzzle together.
Well, in general, the mess is that Jonas, like a chicken without a head, jumps through time for the sake of the most evil character in the person of Marta, whom he cannot be with, because she is his aunt, and in the end he kills her. And on the other hand, Claudia, who says that these sacrifices are for Regina, who already has cancer and will die anyway. Well, sort of nuuu.... it's all for this??
Therefore, the transition to another world (where apparently there is no Jonas) is a very good move, for a respite from all this compote
I also noticed that the new time machine from another world that the alternate Martha uses is a one-on-one Apple of Eden. That's why I thought for a second that Darkness and the Assassin are the same universe, Desmond is Jonas' son, and they will jump on roofs with hidden blades there. Considering what's going on here for the confusion with timelines, I wouldn't even be surprised.