s03e13 — Let the Dead Bury the Dead

Oh, my God...

It's kind of weird after the last episode. They made Bryce's whole season good for some reason, but in the end he admitted that he would never change (well, at least it's true) Anya, a very far-fetched character, irritated the whole season when she climbed to everyone with questions, as if a cop honestly. And this is her saying to Clay, "do you trust me?" that fucking, well, how can it be, she was constantly pissing you, and you "yes, I trust"
Once again, they proved that if there is someone familiar with the police (especially the sheriff's son), then the person will get away from responsibility. Although, that Bryce, that Monty deserved, and I'm glad that this is the end for both of them.
To be honest, I've been wondering all season where Clay was after the "Home Game" and really hoped that he visited Hannah, but it wasn't there...
I feel sorry for Zach, and from the side that I lost everything, and all this stories with Chloe.
The topic of violence was strongly touched upon, Coolly raised. I feel very sorry for the parents of rapists (it's hard to realize that such a "miracle" has grown)
The conclusion is this: the second season was the best, why was it extended to the fourth- it would be time to finish already. Everyone is happy and well.
P.S. Clay and Justin were never brought together (((

The only thing I want to say is that this series touches on a very big problem, a problem that not everyone is ready to talk about and discuss, but it needs to be done. thanks to the series for showing all aspects of this problem, all the characters.

That's it, I'm done watching! I have very mixed feelings about the third season, because for me, the story of this series ended with the end of the Hannah Baker story, and then it's a suck-out. I was very afraid that they would stop covering important issues of teenagers and the whole society, but I'm so glad I was wrong. Problems of family deportation, childhood and upbringing, problems of one's own sexual identification, problems of teenage abortions, problems of violence. That's the only thing the show can be praised for. Was there a need for a third season? Probably not. If they wanted to talk about female violence, it was well covered in the second season. It seems to me that this story has not been fully worked out, because earlier it was said that the problem of mass shooting would be addressed in the third season, but here they did about Bryce and rape. Probably, the actor (Bryce) wanted to leave the series and came up with such a story for him. And now it has been shown that weapons have been found in the river and in the next, and thank God last, season they will promote it.
This season, absolutely no one aroused sympathy except for Zach and Tyler, and this Ani was the most annoying. I still don't understand how she knows everything, or if she's just pretending to know. Despite the terrible thing Montgomery did, it's even a pity that Bryce's murder was pinned on him, although I'm not surprised they thought of such a thing, it was necessary to somehow get Alex off. Jessica is constantly rushing from Justin to Alex, but she liked the actions in support of victims of violence, even shed a tear. The pair of Clay and Anya just makes me feel like a facepalm, I'm sorry, but that's it. They don't look good at all, if Clay really looked very fresh with Hannah, then it's just bland! I was very afraid that they would start making a good person out of Bryce, and they started doing it, but I liked that he was shown as a monster or a good one, but a rapist is a rapist, and everything he did cannot be forgiven, so I don't feel sorry for him! Although there are already smart people on the Internet who are trying to justify Bryce and say that he should be given a second chance. After the first girl, it was possible, but after the seventh or eighth! I really liked the actress who played Nora, Bryce's mother, but here, as they say, they "sowed". Thank you for remembering Olivia Baker and enjoying the episode with her the most!
The color correction killed me the most this season, the present is faded, the past is colorful and bright, the screen narrows and expands. It was very uncomfortable!
And I also want to say that some actors are either too tired to act, or they don't know how, some have one stupid emotion, they don't even try, you look at them and think: "well, at least move your eyebrows."
Anyway, we looked, okay. Why the fourth season? Finishing up at the cafe was nice, it's time to end the story and not suck it out of your finger!

P.s. So how are three TV series being compared now: Euphoria, Sex Education, and 13 Reasons Why. It is in this order that I will put them in my top series with a similar theme.

Surprisingly, I started watching 13 reasons why, and ended up watching how to get away with murder))

I discovered the killer at the beginning. Suspicion fell on Alex back in the episode when they found steroids in the river. But I didn't want to believe it. I hoped to the last that this bun was not capable of such a thing. On the one hand, there was no hostility for his actions, as for someone who killed a man. Moreover, at that moment Bryce behaved like the ultimate freak and thus he provoked Alex, which made it seem that in the end he did not understand anything for himself, although the whole season we were shown the opposite. On the other hand, the thought flashed by inconspicuously that the way the guys got out of all this looked absurd and unfair. In fact, the main villain of the series was punished, but nevertheless, it haunts us that those who have been shown to us for 3 seasons, how they change into positive characters after what happened to Hannah, eventually led them to what we are seeing now. In general, I watched the season in two days, without looking up. I was very worried, I was all on nerves, but the ending caused mixed feelings.

According to the season, it seems to me that it would be much deeper, and would strongly resonate with the whole theme of the series, if they just left him there to die, after the decisive final dialogue, and at the end he would crawl into the river himself, in front of their eyes, and in that spirit. Violence leads to violence and destroys the rapist himself.

As it is, it's pretty commonplace, not new.

I watched the whole season with tears .

The second season ended with the biggest mistake of the judicial system, the third ended with a serious mistake by law enforcement agencies. One follows from the other. As long as adults cannot put their lives in order, in what they manage, it is unlikely that their children will be able to do this.

Was I the only one who hated Anya? It's just yesterday 's girl , as if she was there from the very beginning . It's a pity that some of the characters from previous seasons are not (
Zack ❤

In season 4, Montgomery's boyfriend will take revenge on everyone)

Well, the end disappointed me a lot. I thought there would be some kind of emotional meat grinder during Bryce's murder, they would start showing us how he wants to change and we would all drown in tears, but in the end.. I cried harder at his funeral than I did here. And in general, I still don't understand why they filmed this season in the first place.
Although I admit, the way Bryce broke Zach's knee and he broke his arm and leg was cruel, yes
But! God, the only thing I was really interested in and worried about the most was Tyler's story. I cried in pain all season, but at the end I cried with joy and pride for him, that he was able to tell everything, change and move on. I'm glad he has such friends. That's what it was worth filming this season for.
And here is the billet for the new season. But damn, leave Tyler alone!! I'm not ready to watch him suffer again.

I didn't like Anya, and I still don't like her. Maybe after Bryce's grandfather died, she'd move in again. Although who knows.

The whole season turned out to be far-fetched. And this scheme of a typical detective series (crime, trial, new interplay with old characters) is starting to get boring. But I want to say that I liked (and it was really unexpected for me) how Anya was able to prove Monty's involvement so that Alex and Jess would get away with it.

Why did they kill Monty, he also has a sad family history, next season it might turn out that he is actually a saint at heart, and in general it was not him who was like that, but such a life, and then he would have been adopted by the parents of someone else, guiding him on the path of lifelong canonization. She's so cute, well. Or I overdosed on Justin's puppy mine this season.

And that's how much Justin was whitewashed, my beloved Alex was exaggerated by the same amount. I can't imagine why they had to pin the murder on Alex. So mess up and systematically destroy the character, well, fuck it? Yes, Bryce started threatening Zach, but Alex is not a murderer, it was seen in the last seasons and the apotheosis of this clarity was in the scene with Monty in one of the final episodes of the past. And pin it all on someone else? Yes, in real life, Alex, with his exaggerated sense of guilt, would not have been able to do such a thing and continue to live normally. That's Winston, and there's a chance that next season will repeat the lame second season of Big Little Lies.

In addition, one of the disadvantages is to forget about your own characters. If Courtney was shown once, and Marcus was mentioned, then Ryan, Shari, Scott, and Nina simply disappeared without explanation, and at least the first two weren't exactly extras. And, to be honest, I really wanted to see Clay with Shari, and not with stupid Anya, I don't understand why she is needed as a GG. Apparently, they wanted a voice-over. In vain.

But I probably will never understand the peering of Jess and Justin.

And there was very little Zack. His reaction to the trauma, which in fact robbed him of most of his choice about the future, how he dealt with it in general, was outlined in passing, his friendship with Chloe was shown somehow sluggishly, it felt like they introduced it only for the sake of conflict with Bryce, they practically gave up on their friendship with Alex and finally with his sister.

It's also unclear about Bryce. It seems that the creators themselves did not decide whether they wanted to show that redemption is possible or that a person who causes pain, as Bryce did, will always return to it.

I can't imagine what season 4 should be like... It seems to me that everything has already been ground and sucked as best they can (
Tyler's story is the best thing this season.
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Did you like the topics covered
I didn't like Anya and everything she does. Some kind of mercy.
- There is a complicated name
- She's all so unusual, she lived there, she lived here
- Immediately sees everything as it really is
- The girlfriend of the main character and his antagonist, because of which they have a conflict
- I saw something in Bryce because she's so cute.
- Everyone listens to her and believes her
- She took out Glue's brain and distrusted him terribly, but everything is OK, and now she is his girlfriend
- The ruler with her mom is like something out of a Disney cartoon.
- She's not like everyone else - she's very smart (you don't need to go through this material), she's friends with the main characters and abruptly becomes the main character in their lives from the moment she appears...

Individually, this is all understandable, but together it is a wild cliche of the level of my first fanfiction. And I wish Clay a healthy relationship, not a girl who didn't see a maniac in Bryce, but saw him in Clay.

This season could have been filmed without Anya, otherwise everything is fine.

As for me, this is the weakest season of the three. How far-fetched is this Bryce, who wanted to get better, but oh my God, the motivation is completely wrong. He didn't repent because he realized, but in fact, everyone just turned away from him, that's all. The whole story with Anya is completely out of the question, why could Clay even communicate with her a little more than nothing, after she fucked Bryce and lied about it?! What kind of trust can we talk about? In the end, we can't say that the season is bad, but it is very much inferior to the first two.

I know that many people don't like the idea of continuing the series after all the events from the book have been shown.
But the book is a story about a girl and her experiences, the injustices that led to her last decision. While you're reading the book, you see everything through her eyes and you want to sympathize and help her, to shout to at least one of the characters, "do something to save her." And for that, the book is wonderful.
And the series started developing a little differently. And I'm glad about this, because it provides an opportunity to reflect on many of the problems that teenagers face. The very idea of showing it openly, talking about it, is the first steps towards some kind of change. These problems are worth talking about.

I don't remember the second season at all, but I'll remember this one. Finally, everyone turned out to be not very good people. Well, except for the gay guy who slept with Monty. I hope he'll wear a mask in season 4 and kill everyone.

Clay has more chemistry with his great guy than Anya, what the hell did they do? It makes me feel sick.
They so easily pinned the murder on Monty and are sitting contentedly. It looks pretty weird.

Tyler is my hero this season. I've come this way. I was happy to watch him.

What did Alex's father burn?

Those who accused Bryce of not confessing to his crimes covered up the crime themselves. It's a very good message from season 3. I clap

So, now there will be a review that I think will get a lot of negative ratings, because in my opinion it will be different from the ones I just read here. Although you can judge for yourself.
I'm completely disappointed in the finale, or rather in how everything turned out. Despite the fact that over the course of three seasons I've come to love the main "positive characters," the outcome is still not right. But more on that later.
For exactly two seasons, I was terribly annoyed by Bryce Walker. To be honest, when I saw the trailer for the new season, I was even glad that everything had happened exactly like that, that the next corpse was not someone from the remaining group in Liberty. However, with each episode, my opinion of him changed. Many people have retained their negative opinion of him, but this, I believe, is due to their unwillingness to see anything in him other than his negative actions. But this hero wanted to change. And he did it. But people didn't even want to pay attention to it. They just poked his nose in the shit.
I think it was wrong to put all the blame on Monty, whatever he was. A person should be responsible for what they have done, but no more. What if he hadn't died? He would just wash away other people's sins. I am convinced that everyone should get what they deserve (with regard to time served). And if Alex killed, and Jess knew and didn't say anything, they're both to blame. And they should have been sitting. This cover–up on Anya's part is baseness. Alex's father, as I understand it, burned his clothes from that night. How will he live with the idea that his son is a murderer and he's covering for him?
Throughout the season, I felt sorry for Bryce's mother. She was the only one who loved him (perhaps only him). And she lost the most precious thing. These lovely flashbacks broke my heart. And they showed that Bryce had a heart after all.
This season is the most interesting for me. However, most of the "positive" characters have gone into the "negative" scale of the graph for me personally.

This season has been disappointing for the most part, I don't know if I'll watch the 4th one when it comes out.

The third season is how to get away with murder
, and the fourth, apparently, will be - I know what you did last summer

Are they supposed to have their senior year next?
I've always been confused about the American school system. They're all such horses already, and some of them are already 18.

Anya is such a Mary Sue that I feel bad. :/

Anya has been infuriating all season

Is Monty's boyfriend going to kill everyone in season 4, or what?

I think with Bryce, they wanted to show how parenting affects a child. After all, he was basically beaten up, bought off with toys, deprived of attention, and left alone. His mother was not ready for motherhood, she was also taught from childhood how to "live properly." As a result, I became depressed, and when I woke up it was too late. Although she loved him, she saw him as a monster, and her father didn't give a shit at all. Bryce was not given a proper example of how to show his feelings, love, affection, and respect.. he stupidly did not know this and did not see anything else. so he played with everyone around him, treated everyone like his toys. The same car he brought Tony proves that he thought it would help, replace the family. Just like his parents bought him off with their gifts. This does not justify his actions. Yes, he's a scum, but who made him like this?
The bottom line is how we raise our children, what we put into them is what we get.

Personally, the ending seemed good to me, the characters were really tired of all the incidents and deserved happiness. And as always, there is a "BUT"))
It was in this episode that I felt humanly sorry for Bryce and Monty. Bryce really realized what he had done, tried to be better, tried to bury his real cruel nature away, but sometimes everything got out of control. Monty is sorry because he was ready to admit his orientation and was extremely nice to Charlie, but he was put in prison (deservedly!), and then he was killed.
Clay Couple/Anya has never liked them, they somehow don't fit each other at all. But she screamed from a staring game between Clay and Anya's mom))
I don't know how the 4th season is bent, here is the most complete story. But they seem to say that there will be completely new characters and stories, but for some reason it seems to me that they will no longer sink into the soul like these.

I don't know, but I really enjoyed the third season, even more than the first)

The boy is a fig from the series, that is, Bryce raped two girls, one of them has two witnesses, the second committed suicide plus a recorded confession and he is suspended for half a year. It's okay, you can go back to school, you're safe for society.

Monty raped a guy, a witness who heard something. And all the dangerous criminals have handcuffs on him and more on his feet and chains, we need a lot of chains. At one point, I was pretty sure that he would be electrocuted in the fourth season.

This bias is really annoying.

Now I understand these attempts by the directors to prescribe a line of "redemption" for Bryce. The point, probably, is not that he was all so repentant and full of a desire to atone for his sins, to change, but that he was influenced by unexpected isolation, to which he was not used. The world around him collapsed abruptly, and he was left alone with himself and a bunch of people who hate him. All these apologies from him are not so much attempts to improve, as a desire for everyone to be friends with him again. That's so childish. Helping Tony, Tyler, Alex is all a desire to declare that he is supposedly capable of good things, capable of changing. But we saw that it wasn't.

If Bryce wanted to change, he would have followed Porter's advice and gone to therapy. But that wasn't what he needed, he needed forgiveness in the easiest way. He himself may have realized that something was wrong with him, but it was more likely caused not by deep mental anguish, but by public censure. And the fact that he continued to provoke Clay after his high-flown speeches, did absolutely bestial things to Zach, and then lay and cried about how unfair the world was, only says that no, Bryce hadn't changed and didn't really want it that much. That's right, a rapist remains a rapist, and he would have to go a long way to understand, at least for himself, the abomination of his actions. But it was obviously beyond his strength.

It seems to me that the moment Alex looked into his eyes on the pier, he saw just this cruelty, which has not gone away, which is still sitting in him. I think it was the realization that Bryce in front of him was exactly the same Bryce who had raped Jess and forced her to throw him into the river.

Well, that's it. Back in that episode, I began to suspect Alex when Justin was asked whose drug case it was. And I couldn't help but remember that Alex said he was with Jess after the game, and everything fell into place. I didn't want to believe it, but that's what happened. And Alex was trying to be a good guy until the last moment, trying to help Bryce. And if he hadn't provoked him, if he hadn't behaved like an asshole again, he would be alive and all this shit wouldn't have happened. But then again, as Tony said, it's all Bryce's fault. Yes, maybe he was talking about Zach out of emotion, but Alex pushed him into the water out of emotion, too. All those shots of broken limbs were creepy. And how Bryce was drowning, too. In fact, it's a pity for everyone here, because all this shit was not only because of the students, but also because of the adults who didn't want to see anything.
As for Monty, I have mixed feelings. Yes, he was an asshole, but then again, because of domestic violence. And the fact that he ended up drinking (as I understood it) is scary. Because the vicious circle has not ended. Hannah and Jess drowned so that no one else would die because of bullying, but here's what we have. And it's a pity for Winston (the boy photographer who slept with Monty), because at least he was able to stir up something in Monty. I don't even know if it's sad. (Winston, by the way, is very handsome).
I'm really happy for Tyler and Justin. And it seems like Casey (the one who is not gay) has even become normal. Maybe she and Tyler will have something in the future. I would not like to lose Becks from the cast.
Most of all in this episode, I sympathized with Alex's father. I really love Mark Pellegrino's game, and you could see how he struggles with himself between work and family. Yes, I'm sure that 90% of people in his place would do the same.
Anya was surprisingly less infuriating in this episode. Now that Grandpa is dead, will Anya's mom leave? And it turns out that we won't see them anymore? I hope so.
Well, the last season 4, apparently, will be about the found weapon. Although, this episode could be a great ending for the series. Well, I liked season 3.

Surprisingly, I liked the third season more than the second.
There were advantages to this
But in general, there was a feeling that the authors had put ALL possible social problems here, that's ALL. There are sooooo many of them, which is starting to look implausible and far-fetched. Each character has a story that would be enough for a separate series. It feels like some things (like Chloe's abortion) were mentioned just to be mentioned. In short, they tried to say everything at once, but in the end they didn't really say anything.
I was more interested in the "detective" line this season.

If anyone is interested, here are 13 clues.:
Episode 1 - Clay's Bicycle Lock
Episode 2 - Chloe's Rabbit's Foot
Episode 3 - Bryce's Letter about Jessica
Episode 4 - Tyler's Gun
Episode 5 - Steroids
Episode 6 - Bryce's Folder
Episode 7 - Anya's Underwear
Episode 8 - Porter's Magazine
Episode 9 - Justin's Drugs in Bryce's name
10 series - the key
Episode 11 - Clay's Phone
Episode 12 - a can of paint
Episode 13 - cassette with the number 13

I liked season 2 a lot more, but don't tell me that the next one will be dedicated to the unjustly convicted. I still can't decide for myself who is to blame and whether they did the right thing. But I definitely don't want to see Alex in prison, because I think he was the one who brought the matter to an end, if Bryce hadn't been so aggressive, Alex would have saved him instead of killed him, but Zach and Jessica thought he deserved to die when they wanted to leave him. But since they all have problems with cruelty and controlling their emotions, what happened, violence breeds even more violence.

When I heard that there was a man limping on his other leg, I realized it was Alex. And that thought made me feel so bad. I do not know what the writers did to him. He's not like that. and these anger scenes that don't fit the character we've known since the first season at all. why? After all, Alex is a good friend who will always help. especially at the moment when Bryce started begging him, and he so coolly threw him off. and knowing Alex's character, this act will have to kill him and he will suffer. It breaks my heart. 💔
and Justin, the cute little dog, whom I wholeheartedly support, breaks it up. somehow, they didn't do any development for him. He's just there, he's just an addict. Well, that's not the point ((
and Tyler! the line of which was only interesting to many. how he grew up. I hope that nothing bad will happen to him anymore. The whole season I just wanted to hug him and not let
go of Clay.. he's always so thoughtful, in himself, I really wanted to see his thoughts, feelings from his perspective, and not Anya (in turn, which raises a lot of wtf questions to the point of impossibility in general)
despite many blunders, lowering the bar of the series, I still love him madly! I love it because it gives us such characters, reveals a lot of problems, makes us think about every phrase.
and I want everyone to be happy, as we are used to seeing in films, because this is too harsh a reality in the series, which does not give anyone peace of mind,
I am waiting for the fourth season. 🥳

Does anyone know the name of the actor who played Winston?

Huita

It was very hard to watch what Alex and Jessica did to Bryce. Indignation.
Murder is not rape. And you can't compare it. So you don't even have to say "he deserved it."
Then they also blamed Monty. No, well, good people, what can I say.

Holy shit, your son mobbed, beat, and moped a defenseless boy, and all you care about is his orientation...fuck...
All the seasons I've regretted that Monty is a character I want to trust and believe that all his actions are someone's sick fantasy, I feel very sorry for him, I don't know why, but it seems to me that he could have changed and wanted to
I don't feel sorry for Bryce at all, his bad sides can't be compared to his remorse, I was hoping that he would slide off this bridge himself.
I am shocked by the act of Alex's father, after all, he is not a schoolboy with emotions and had no right to destroy evidence and take part in this.
Finally, Justin asked for help.

Even though I hated Monty with all my heart for 3 seasons, especially after what he did to Tyler, I'm a little disappointed that they didn't explain his death in more detail.: Who killed him, why, how, and under what circumstances? How did Montgomery himself feel at that time?

I'm sorry, but after the final, I was upset. I don't understand how such a large group of people can safely pin a murder on another person and move on carefree. Yes, Bruce was still a * sucker, but throwing a beaten guy with broken limbs into the water is a very noble act. Bravo, Alex! And Jessica's strong speech was instantly devalued after all the events.

Every season he taught us something, showed us that we need to take care of others, ask for help if we can't cope. What is the point of the disclaimer in each episode if the creators themselves end up promoting violence? The scene with Hannah's suicide was cut out so as not to provoke unstable teenagers to such a thing. But it's normal for them to show that you can calmly kill a person and get away with it. (a separate question for Anya, who came up with all this — it seems she is quite a sociopath).

I'm not exactly a terrible moralist, and I've been following the same KINZU with interest myself, but the "13 reasons" series relies on morality. And that's another conversation.

This new girl is infuriating
She came to school, found out all the kids' secrets, and turned them in to the cops! Wtf??

You can throw slippers at me, but I believe that Bryce realized his guilt and wanted to really change.
And he was right to say that the world just doesn't give it to him.
Because no one believed it.
The stigma of being a rapist accompanied him so much that no one wanted to see his remorse and regret for all those he had offended.
I feel sorry for him, I believe that he definitely did not deserve such a death and had the right to change and, perhaps, continue to help people like Tyler from people like Monty and what Bryce himself was like before.

And anyway, to be honest, the moment of his murder was disappointing.
Zack beat him up, of course, but Alex just threw him into the water? Seriously? I don't know, I expected more, it was such a secret, such an intrigue.…

I didn't expect Monty to die, not at all
And I don't know about you, but I feel sorry for him because of his asshole father.

I still have a few questions that will probably be answered in season 4, but still. First of all, why did Charlie help them frame Monty? I don't really understand. I mean, yes, he realized what an asshole and rapist Monty was, but damn, the guys told him the WHOLE story, and he decided to plant evidence and just become an accomplice to this lie? It doesn't correlate at all with how good it was shown to us. He hardly knows the guys at all. and honestly, seeing them from the outside, and not knowing the whole point initially, I wouldn't really want to join their party.
Secondly, Monty's death. maybe he committed suicide, maybe he was killed, maybe he's alive at all and he was transferred somewhere (although this is nonsense, but I won't be surprised at the delusional outcome lol)
many people noticed that the characters were heavily yelled at this season. I agree. I mean, Clay seems to be the same, Zach is the same, but Alex and Bryce (fuck, I just can't forget that he kind of got a hard-on when he talked about raping Hannah) are tough. Well, I don't believe Alex would have handled all this time so calmly. Damn it, it's Alex. He tried to commit suicide in the first season out of guilt. And then he killed a man and was like, well, okay, I'm just going to exercise more? Damn it. Okay, the more I remember the season in detail, the less I like it.

in general, the season is good. It's very emotional, complex, and, most importantly, there are several angles from which to look at every situation. I love it when there is no categoricality, and you determine for yourself how black or white everything is (and in fact gray)

so....the main thing is that Anya is not in season 4. please.

Did Bryce's grandfather leave Anya's mom a piece of inheritance?

Wangyu, I'll snatch the cons.
The main characters in this season are hypocrites for themselves and for Sasha. For the first two seasons, they sought justice for Hannah, a noble motive, rooting for them. Bryce had indeed raped several girls and had to be punished, but alas. We were shown how unfair the judicial system can sometimes be and criminals don't get what they deserve. Okay, the message is clear.
We are watching the third season, and the finale makes it clear to us that criminals must be punished, but only if they are not your friends. If your friend killed someone, cover up, lie like the last time, and blame someone else.

Bryce was a criminal, but he didn't deserve to die. Montgomery was a criminal, but he didn't deserve to carry someone else's crime, even after death. These are people whose crimes must be investigated by the police and punished by the court.

I don't understand people who write that they don't feel sorry for Bryce and Monty, and moreover that they deserve their fate. The first one took steps to correct it, but he didn't take the position: I'm right, they're just jealous and don't understand anything. Someone thinks that Bryce would not be able to improve, Alex saw this in Bryce's anger and therefore pushed him into the water and further on in the text. The first seasons said: nothing gives people the right to rape other people. So, no emotion on Bryce's face gave Alex the right to take his life.

Both Bryce and Monty were raised in families where they did not see love, care and healthy human relationships. This in no way justifies their actions, but it makes it clear where the prerequisites for such behavior came from. Once isolated, Bryce began to realize what he had done. Monty met Winston and might have finally accepted his orientation and become happier, which would have tempered his aggression. These are just guesses, but the demonization of these characters distorts the message of the season.

Violence begets violence, and by killing Bryce, Alex did not break this circle, but increased its diameter. Hopefully, both he and Jessica will be punished in season 4.

It's a very strange ending. On the one hand, two bad people seem to have died, on the other hand, the main characters are better now. At the beginning of the season, I was surprised that Shari was nowhere to be found, and at the end of the season it became clear that her character simply had no place in this plot: when she did something wrong, she went and confessed to the police, and she obviously couldn't hide it.
And most importantly, I have a suspicion that Justin killed Monty.
Firstly, it was repeatedly said that he would do anything for Glue.
Secondly, the day before, he had asked Seth for some important favor, clearly something VERY serious.
Thirdly, when Clay Justin's mom asked him directly why he was dating Seth, he gave a very crooked excuse.
Fourth, Clay's mom said that Seth had been arrested, meaning that if Justin really asked him to kill Monty, then he was specifically "arrested" to go to jail with him.
Fifth, Justin and Anya so confidently blamed everything on Monty because they knew that he was dead or would already be dead by this point (although there is an "excuse" in the series that they kind of found out about it in the morning).

I liked the season as a whole, even more than 2, it was just that there was already too much of Hannah's snot. But what they did here in the end and they themselves were mired in lies, which, by the way, is no stranger to new Anya, since the first episode she's been a pussy. It's clear that Justin is most likely involved in Monty's murder. And all this will come to fruition in the last season, plus the topic of shooting will come up, finally, I hope everyone gets what they deserve in the end, there are no guilty parties as it turned out. The last scene is beautiful and it would be nice to end there, but they are too mired in lies, on the contrary, they want real justice.

I struggled with these feelings for a long time, but I felt sorry for Bryce. It was a strange death, and it would have been better if Clay or Zach had killed him out of anger, rather than this misunderstanding that had happened.
And I feel sorry for Monty, even though I hate him for what he did to Tyler. But the last scene with the guy in bed was sad. He said he couldn't be who he wanted to be:(

But Alex's father seemed to have guessed everything even before Anya's story, when he saw the footprints and found those medicines in his son's room. He probably burned Alex's clothes, which he was wearing on the pier. Plus his Thanksgiving dinner speech. Actually, of all the parents, I liked Mr. Standall the most and seemed the most adequate. He and Hannah's mom. I hope to see them both more often in the new season.
I think this topic of Bryce's murder won't be left so easily, especially since they found the weapon, and Winston, Monty's boyfriend, is clearly upset, it's quite possible that he will talk. Most likely, it will be like Hannah's suicide, they will deal with it for another season.

And do I understand correctly that Clay and Ani are now a couple and will have to put up with their relationship next season?
I hope that after Grandfather Bryce's death, there will be no more work for Anya's mother and they will move away again.
Sorry not sorry.

I liked how the series shows that everything has a cause and an effect, that it's not just the bad and the good. I liked the way they made us sympathize with both Bryce and Monty.
I didn't like the aftertaste: the rapist was deservedly killed, we won't give him a chance to redeem himself! A good person shouldn't suffer, let this asshole suffer better, he died anyway!
But on the other hand, this is not the message of the scriptwriters, it is most likely the reaction of ordinary people, frightened/ dedicated schoolchildren/ teenagers / maximalists to what is happening.
Maybe next season they'll show us how time will put everything in its place.

I know there's going to be a lot of downsides right now, but I really feel sorry for Bryce and Monty. It's clear that they've been negative characters the whole series, but damn it anyway. Anya is really infuriating. Yes, she helped Alex out, but she framed Monty...

Clay has a new love interest in every season. so Ani goodbye.

@juliakey: Well, that's how they graduate from high school at 18, but Tony doesn't look like a teenager at all)

@ArcAda: Justin said he asked Seth to kill Diller so he could say he was with Clay and he would have an alibi.

I liked the third season. Of course, at some point I got bored with the "if this series is about you, then you're the killer" scheme, but it was still interesting to watch how, with the new information received, the opinion about the characters changes almost to the opposite. Moral: no one is perfect, there are no absolutely positive characters, but there are no absolutely bad ones either.
I'm glad that Bryce was revealed on the positive side. They have shown that he is really more than the stigma of a rapist. As Zach said, we are more than our actions. Maybe Bryce has changed. Maybe not. But he didn't want to die. No one deserves it.
Ani annoyed me too. But she was needed to explain to the audience what is obvious to the characters and does not need to be explained.
Tyler's line pleased me. I've been holding my fists for him all season, afraid that the truth would come out. I really don't want Tyler to be tried, because he's already been punished.
Monty was sorry. Yes, he did terrible things, but then again, no one deserves to die. And even though I feel bad for him, I still understand in my head that the corpse doesn't care, and Alex doesn't need to ruin his life.
I really love the couple Justin/Jessica. I believe in their love and I really want them to be well. And you're wrong to say that Justin doesn't change. He asked for help. So he wants to get better. I sincerely hope that he can.

Unfortunately, I didn't watch the second season before watching, some things have already been forgotten, eh.
It's a strange season. I see the whole series as a kind of message to teenagers, as a conversation with them. Practically, they were always saying, "there's a problem, you could have run into it, and now look at what the characters are doing and draw conclusions, we'll tell you what to do." Partially exaggerated problems, but I think they resonated in the hearts of teenagers who are prone to maximalism)
Well, now what solution did the third season offer us? Ignore the consequences, pass it on to someone else, happily drink a latte in a cafe? It's not clear to me.
There will be a fourth season. Perhaps it is in it that the characters will face the consequences, will realize what they have done and all that. But so far, I'm not satisfied with the finale of the third season.

P.S. The whole crowd knows about murder and murderers, really no one will ever let it slip. A big secret for a small company, of course.

cringe nonsense)) 0/10

Personal wish: next season, let them remove Anya and put a beautiful boy from Hillcrest instead of her. He's just angelically handsome!

The problem of over-aged actors playing children in the next season will be terrible. Zach is such a man already.

Whatever Bryce was, in the end he deserved to be preserved in Tyler's photos on the wall. Honestly, I was expecting to see him there in the finale. The man wanted to reassemble himself, but they didn't give him a chance.

Overall, I liked the third season. Most of all, the Bryce and Tyler arches. It's only been a few months for the first one, it's just impossible to change the usual pattern of behavior so quickly, there's work with a psychotherapist for several years, and before seeking help, the willingness to open it up and work out the same way for more than one month. The same Justin, for example, constantly falls into drugs. So Bryce's behavior on the pier is a natural defensive reaction. And just as no behavior by Hannah was the reason for the rape, so no words by Bryce gave a reason to kill him. The guy's just had his arms and legs broken, and you're going to curse the whole world out of pain.
It's really nice to watch Tyler change. I was looking at the meeting to see if Larry would apologize to him, and I'm very glad that he did.
Anya is terribly annoying, Alex is shaken up, where it is more convenient for the scriptwriters. In general, the stories of the others fell into some kind of shapeless mess. Hopefully, everything will be revealed in season 4.

This series is terrible, like sunflower seeds - it's disgusting, but it's impossible to stop))
Alex could also find some kind of girlfriend, how much can you suffer for this crazy Jess.
They've already said everything about Anya, she's such a Mary Sue, she's already sick. Well, they shouldn't have painted her lips with glitter, this mouth-ass is just terrible.
Are they going to chew on another season 4? omg.

@Aurora_B: I got the impression that it was only once.

Alex, with his natural hair color, is very young and fresh, he doesn't look like 25 at all)

We should have stopped at the first season.

God. If that's the case, then I won't forgive Justin... pts...this is clearly not going to benefit his treatment and in general further in life ...
In short, the road to hell is paved with good intentions...The guys didn't seem to understand that hiding even the little things wasn't the best idea.

Anyway, I hope to see more of Monty in the flashbacks..

And I liked this season, at least more than the second one.

After such a finale (if you remove the scene with the weapon), you could calmly close the series, everything that needed and did not need to be shown was shown.Don't boil the pot, as they say.In my heart, I don't know what the scriptwriters want to show in season 4, but it would be better to stop at what is, imho.

Conflicting feelings remained after watching — on the one hand, season 3 is much more interesting to me than the second, I considered it to be sheer nonsense and boredom, but here everything turned out very vividly and dynamically, so many characters were fully revealed.But on the other hand, I don't like that all the victims eventually turned into their own rapists, even if not directly, even if forced, but this is not true.It's hard to empathize with them now, knowing that they were so shouting about correctness and truth for everyone, double standards damn.What happened to them looks much worse than the Stockholm syndrome.

Anya was both infuriating and infuriating.And I don't like her mother either, they're both arrogant and arrogant, they look down on everyone, they're the only ones who are right, period.

It is not known which wilds Season 4 will take viewers into, but we'll wait and see.Purely out of interest, you will need to close this gestalt with "13 reasons why" and retire with a calm soul.

whatever they say, but the series is great, the whole thing. he may have slipped "plot-wise", but what is discussed and raised there is extremely important. such things need publicity. I don't know what they'll come up with in the final 4, but I'm sure it's worth something.
I watched the third season.
I'll say that he's not bad and definitely made me think about a lot. I like the idea that the creators show different problems that many of us hide, problems that grow into something big, I'm familiar with that. In season 3, they tried to show that Bryce wasn't so bad. I want to believe that he sincerely tried to change, helped everyone he could and those he hurt. I don't know how to treat him, because I've never encountered anything like this. but he will never get rid of what he did, and the phrase that sounded there: "people always judge another person by his worst deed," no matter how true it is.
Tyler's story is generally wild. This proves that not only girls can be raped, and victims in this world can also be not only women. the only character I like.
I don't approve of the ending, and it's unfair to blame everything on a person who's already finished. Monty, like everyone else, is good somewhere deep down. If it wasn't for his family, what would he be like? I'm not excusing him, but he clearly doesn't deserve to die (no one does) and be found guilty for something he didn't commit. in general, I will talk to myself a lot more about what is happening in season 3.
people who are only looking for entertainment, the season will not suit you, it is clearly not for such a number of people.
I'll give you 9/10!!

For me, the good thing about the series is that the characters are not clearly divided into good and bad. Everyone has their own dark side, just like in life.
And, as in life, unfortunately, not everyone gets a chance at redemption. Bryce kind of tried, although at the very end he paid the price for once again not being able to resist, cursing Zach and suspecting Jess. But it had potential.
Monty is a broken man, still a child at heart, who just wanted his father's love. He was arrested, of course, more than deservedly. But did he deserve to die?
And the murder hanging on him?
I can probably understand that the guys were just standing up for each other. But how can Alex live with the fact that he killed a man? And how can the rest of us live with the fact that they added time to an innocent man (they didn't know about Monty's death)?
Perhaps the best story is Tyler's story. His willpower, his desire to become a better person after everything that happened to him, inspire and deserve respect.

I like this series, But Anya or Anya didn't like it at all, I got this "fuck, I know everything, I know all the secrets, I'll declassify everyone" nonsense at all. Monty was stupidly leaked, they want to say that they detained him, but they didn't even ask where he was at the time of Bryce's death, and Monty didn't even try to confirm the alibi that he has. Well, they called this Ani and she knows everything, she held a candle, let's take her word for it. It's a mess. She and Clay don't whistle at all, I would believe in any couple, Clay and Tyler, Clay and Justin, Clay and Tony (God, Tony is just cosmic, how can you be so beautiful, I do not know, I can always look at him) the whole season was not bad except that Anya was the main narrator, but The way it actually happened is a little disappointing. Well, let's go to this kid who was with Monty, who was incendiary to the police and told their stories. Sadness in general (((

What if Monty is actually alive and everything goes to shit again)
But seriously, I really feel sorry for him and blaming everything on him, even if he's dead, is at least wrong. Glimpses of humanity were just beginning to appear in him.

I really liked the season, which vaguely reminded me of "How to get away with Murder"

It 's just that the guys are each with their own cockroaches , everything is on its own business , but their destinies are closely intertwined and when the moment comes they can come together and fight for each other .

Ani was an extra this season. If you wanted to do a voice-over, then it was fashionable for each of the characters to speak behind the scenes to whom the series is dedicated or in some other way who to do.

The moments of Clay and Justin are very encouraging.

Alex is not the same Alex from the first season

I am glad that there were no violent scenes at the end of this season . And the season itself was more enjoyable and easier for me than the second one.

They showed us how Bryce died, but...
they didn't explain who shot him in the head or when.
Tyler's photos show that Bryce has a bullet wound.
Did I misunderstand something? Why wasn't this explained to us?

Was there a seed at the end of the episode for season 4, or was it my imagination?

Can anyone explain how Monty died? I missed this moment(

I just want to say thank you for the Thanksgiving Day scene, Tyler's photo exhibit, and Justin's 'I Adore You.'

No, the season finale is just some trash. some lefty girl came to the station, pretended to be Nancy Drew, supposedly she was so damn attentive and knew everything about everyone. and they immediately believed her... and the man who was framed was allegedly dumb enough to keep evidence with the victim's blood in his locker, despite the fact that he had already been searched... Such a game kapets

The season suddenly turned out to be good. Not great, but good.
I know for many people the story ended with Hannah, but Kamon, even in the first season we were shown how many people suffered too. And it would be unfair to leave everything just like that. Therefore, I really hope that in the fourth season all the tails will be pulled up and everyone will get what they deserve.
It was a season about labels and double standards for me.
The most beautiful Bryce Arch. We were shown that rich boys also condemn him, which, for example, I did not expect. (although they groped Jess at the game later.) That everyone had turned their backs on him, and yes, he was right when he said that the world didn't give him a chance to improve. This is his payment for everything he has done. Perhaps if he went to prison and was punished later, he might get a second chance. But at the same time, so many "turned away" had dealings with him: Justin, Alex, Tyler, Tony. You're so bad, but I'll accept your help. But I won't give you a second chance. Yes, Bryce tried to buy forgiveness with help, he chose the easy way, but I think he just didn't know how else. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sick, plus family, permissiveness, etc. Awareness alone can't do it. I'm glad he tried in some way. And no, that doesn't excuse him. But it's great that they showed us different sides, different views on him. We're all different people, and Bryce is no exception. I even thought for a minute that he was deliberately provoking Alex. Just realizing that even if he changes, the world won't believe him. He's dangerous to society, and I repeat, realizing what you've done is very little. But he didn't deserve to die-no one really deserved to.

Mixed impressions. On the one hand, the season was suspenseful and interesting to the end. But the finale.... Did Alex get away with it? Seriously? He killed a man in cold blood, begging for help. Bryce was a scumbag, but at least he didn't kill anyone, and he regretted his actions, he was depressed and broken, he wanted to become a better person, and naturally he didn't deserve to die, especially like this.

Anya had to go to jail for her lies, an extremely nasty character. Alex too, a steroid nut, now also a murderer.

In short, the season finale is extremely unsatisfactory, the guilty dangerous characters went unpunished, the story does not teach anything good. It doesn't even smell like justice, everyone is lying as they breathe.

The hope is that in the last season everyone will get what they deserve and all the lies of these characters will be revealed, because they have crossed all available boundaries.

Monty's conversation with his father at the beginning of the episode was so harsh...

I hope that in the last season, in the last episode, they will just all be imprisoned.

I don't understand why Zach is still at large after his confession. He confessed to causing grievous bodily harm (intentionally maiming a man) and actually attempted murder by leaving him there immobilized in the cold. Why didn't anyone take up Tyler after Anya turned him in for the recording, which went on as the main testimony in the case (and why did she even need to mention that Tyler was the shooter? Is that how she protects her friends?). And what was the point of all this tossing and turning in her testimony about her relationship with Clay? Why would she call him a lying and hypocritical person and how afraid she was of him? Anya leaked so many little things for everyone that it would have been enough for everyone to be arrested as a minimum. And anyway, why was this Ani needed? For Clay to have a love line? I'd rather listen to everything on behalf of Tyler, at least there would be some logic (to hear everything from the mouth of the victim, in comparison with Hannah, who survived violence, but did not find support in anyone and eventually could not cope, and Tyler, who managed to find reasons to move on). The script holes spoiled the impression.

There are a lot of thoughts in my head after watching it. Very much. And they're all so controversial. You can swear or admire indefinitely.
In general, it's strange, everyone was discussed, everyone's story was seen.

But where was Ani after the home game? Did she just run home? And she had no alibi. Her line was simply taken and merged. They didn't tell us anything about her at all. They made her an innocent lamb with Einstein's brains. Like, trust me, I'll save everyone, and forget about the fact that I wrote each episode of each of you down as a murderer.

The plot of the third season was very reminiscent of "Murder on the Orient Express"...=)=)=)

Season 4? Are you serious??
Why doesn't anyone know how to stop during???

How Ani was infuriating, just a nauseating character, neither to the village nor to the garden.

I really didn't like the way Monty's story ended. I'm not going to justify him, and he certainly deserved to be imprisoned, but the way Bryce's murder was pinned on him just freezes me out. And then there was his murder (suicide?), which was mentioned in just a couple of dialogues. Hello, guys, this is still your classmate / a member of your team / even someone's friend, and you take it so lightly, and even frame Monty after death! I am very disappointed with this. I hope that this will be discussed in a little more detail in season 4.

P.S. Ani still ranks 1st in terms of "badness" among the characters of not only this series, but also others. And from her, along with Clay ("Mom, this is Clay Jensen. My boyfriend") I just feel sick((

can someone clarify the point:What did Justin ask his stepfather to do in return for selling his drugs in the last (or this) episode?

I don't understand why many people agree with what Alex did, why few people saw how Bryce began to change (despite his behavior before his death, more on that later).
Justice and attitudes towards violence are strange.:
If you're a rapist, Bryce, then that's it, consider the bullying has spread to him, no one cares, everyone is throwing aggression at him and that's OK. And I'm not excusing him for what he did to 8 girls, but through the whole season, you could see him repenting and ready to work and take responsibility for what he did.
If you killed a rapist, Alex, then you're doing great, let's cover for you, it's just hard for you, you were provoked. Although Bryce eventually begged them to help him and there was still time to save him from the water.

Many people write that Bryce has not changed, that he broke his leg and said terrible things to Zach (when he beat him), but let's remember what happened before that: Bryce was dumped by a girl, he had no one left in terms of support, then this girl turns out to be pregnant with his child, then he He found out that she had an abortion, then he came to the conclusion that Zach stole her from Bryce. Further on, Monty and Zach start attacking Bryce on the field during the game, then a protest against violence (against Bryce), then complete mayhem and aggression from everyone. Clay attacks Bryce, who decides to break Zach's leg in a fit of all this... I think Bryce also thought he deserved to be beaten up on the pier, and that's why he provoked Zach and Alex even more.

BUT even with his words and his past, does he deserve to die like this?? Why literally all the characters and even the father agree with what Alex did and just turned a blind eye to it.

The tape and Bryce's actions confirm that he has accurately realized all his actions in the past, that he regrets and he even helped Tyler as a victim of violence, that he is remorseful.

Many people will disagree with me, BUT:

The first season seemed like such a thing to me, the last episodes hooked me. The second one was emotionally stronger, and the scene with Tyler will be remembered for a long time. But the third season is the strongest for me, despite some inaccuracies, annoying Ani, etc.

It was the third season that openly told us not only about the problem of violence in schools and among teenagers in general, but also about deportation, about feminism, about the sloppy work of law enforcement agencies, about true friendship, damn it. It was frankly hard for me to watch. I cried on the scenes with Tyler - apparently the topic of friendship and finding friends really touches me.

At first, I was outraged that they were trying to show Bryce to be good. But after that, I was outraged that no one from the company thought to condemn Alex. Why was it possible for Alex (and even Zach) to commit violence, but no one even gave Bryce a chance to improve? And pushing everything onto Monty is unthinkable at all. Yes, he behaved like an animal and even worse, but he went to jail for it, right? How did you turn out to be better than him?

I also didn't like the fact that Clay and Anya were brought together - well, that's completely corny, but maybe I'm reacting this way because of Anya's dislike, I don't know. But it turned out to be too cloying and overdone.

P.S. at the end they gave a clue, what will season 4 be about? Weapons and Monty's boyfriend, who will begin to seek justice, and Clay will suffer as usual.

I spit furiously! Everyone says that Bryce really wanted to change, but his former entourage did not want to accept it (meaning Clay and co.), but they seem to forget how he behaved on the pier when Alex picked him up, and that Bryce started talking (although it is clear that pain played a big role there and the shock of it)

I enjoyed this season, but I will not stop drowning for the fact that the best outcome for the series would be Tyler's righteous execution of fucking rapists at the end of the second season. The end

What a mess. I'm shocked that they pulled it off.

Well, that was bad. This season's script is terrible. Yes, of course, the series still touches on important issues (and that's what everyone appeals to when evaluating the series), but does that make it good? I don't think so. It's not enough to just choose a certain range of "important social issues" and sketch a script around them, no, it doesn't work that way: you need to justify the actions of the characters, show their development, and not "they do it because they do it." And almost the whole season was like this - the number of illogical actions was off the scale.
Ah, well, the denouement deserves special attention. I fully understand that Bryce is a rapist and not the nicest person in the world, but does that give anyone the right to kill him? And yes, I know Monty is a freak, but does that give anyone the right to pin a murder on him that he didn't commit? These "kids" (Clay, Jessica, Alex, Justin, Tyler, Charlie, Zach, Ani) have crossed all boundaries. They have lost their sense of justice, they no longer realize what is good and what is bad. Honestly, I would have been glad if Jessica and Alex had been imprisoned, because it was well deserved.
The only thing that pleased me this season was Bryce's mother, Nora. Her line was the most lively, the most sensual and honest. She was fully aware of what her son was capable of, but she, like any other mother, loved him.

It's just some kind of bullshit, not a season.

The season is cool, but I didn't like the ending.

I don't quite understand how Mantgomery died.

So what has this season taught you? Cover the assholes of criminals because you're a BFF?
I feel sorry for Alex, it would be sad if he were imprisoned, especially by his own father. but fuck. He didn't have to kill!!!!!

what did they mean by that? and the ending is where they all sit happily. Hello
Monty is an asshole, yes, but he didn't deserve to be posthumously convicted of a murder he didn't commit. like. let's say you imprisoned him for violence (although Bryce was just sent to correctional labor and released later), and he was imprisoned. he quarreled with his family (and it wasn't even his fault, we all know that we don't choose who to love), and then he was also killed and ACCUSED OF A MURDER HE DIDN'T COMMIT.

Thank you for such an important topic of violence and rapists. it was really good.

and yes, they tried to say that even a rapist is first and foremost a human being and killing him is the last thing he deserves, but then they do the same thing! They kill another one


PS. I hope the truth comes out in season 4. I'm not defending rapists, they need to be punished, but that's too much.
No one deserved to die.

and anyway, Monty's death was somehow all screwed up. It was somehow too convenient for all these children. Will they find out in season 4 what Monty ordered?

and everything looks like 10 little black kids at their school. 4 children have been dead for the last 2 years. Who's next? We're betting, ladies and gentlemen.

I still didn't understand what Clay was doing the night after the game.

Well, it's a very strange and confusing feeling after watching the season.

Monty's death was very convenient for everyone. Seriously. I don't want to think too much, but someone wrote a message to Anya, "Homework done. Let me know when we can stude."? I just heard a vibration on my phone, I just wanted to drink some water. It was as if she was just waiting for the moment when she could dump everything and no one would be able to check. Is death ordered? If so, by whom? That's exactly it, his story is not finished, it's not for nothing that this Winston appeared.

WELL, guys, who shot Bryce anyway????

We are waiting for season 4. I really hope that the season won't be any worse.

It's the 4th minute of the episode, but I already want to write a comment. I feel sorry for people like Monty. After all, he didn't want to do all this shit himself, all these SUPPOSEDLY moral norms were imposed by his society. As well as many of the same people in real life. The serial Monty was gay, but his father is clearly homophobic, and anyway, he's one of the leaders in men's sports, it's clear that he will be aggressive towards such people because he's been taught that it's bad, but he doesn't want to seem weak. It was sad when his father turned away from him.
Of course, nothing justifies his actions and those of such people, but whatever it is, everything has a beginning. In this regard, all the characters are perfectly revealed in the series.

Are you serious? To put all the blame on an innocent man for the murder, and even so stupidly cut him out?
I was hoping that Monty's character would be revealed in the fourth season. It's clear that they wanted to blame everything on him in order to hide others, but not to soak him in a cell, especially since he's just a schoolboy, which criminal he crossed the road to kill him...It's just dumb shit! In any case, his corpse was not shown, perhaps he is still alive.

I didn't really understand why Tyler was photographing Bryce's corpse, apparently I didn't look well...

I hoped to the end that Bryce wanted to give Jessica a recording with words of regret and the understanding that he would not be able to live like this, realizing that everyone around him would see only the bad in him even when he tried his best to change and in the end it would turn out that he himself jumped off the bridge and everyone would be blamed in vain, but damn no(
I was also waiting for Monty to apologize to Tyler and come to terms with who he really is, I feel sorry for him, he was such a basement father, this is denial... And everything could be completely different(

First, they rub in that they need to be responsible for their actions, and then they all cover up for Alex in a friendly and organized way and pin the blame on Monty.
Well, cool, what

Damn, I'm sorry about Bryce, I'm so sorry. So pathetic in the end.... it's rare that such people want to change, but he really tried . Jessica is a complete fool. He 's talking about rape . Alex the crooked ass would have shot himself better. And that fool Monty is dead, too.

What struck me the most was how Clay yelled at Anya for sleeping with Bryce, accusing her of all her sins. It is clear that Ani lied to him, it is clear that he was concerned about her choice, but... Who gave him the right to talk to her like that, as if she owed him something?! They hadn't even met. It seemed to me that Clay looked like the creepiest this season (and in previous ones). The obsessive stalker is an sacrificial maniac. He's honestly trying to do his best, but in the end he's one of the most frightening characters.
Very questionable help for Tyler. Yes, his line in the series is incredibly touching and beautiful. But what is the probability that this would work in real life? Most likely, by covering up the episode with the gun, they would have made it worse for both themselves and Tyler, since in the end he would have finished what he started and committed the murder.
Alex and Jessica's act is terrible. And it's not about feeling sorry for Bryce. It just happened that they were no better than him. It's a shame for their development as characters. And it's even more disgusting from this positive attitude. If in the first season they were genuinely worried about a much more indirect involvement in Hannah's death, then here they deliberately killed a man, hid it and happily hang out with friends. It's also disgusting that Alex's father covered for him. This, again, is questionable help.
It was shocking that Zach had completely gotten away with beating Bryce. The police almost sympathized with him.
Bryce's topic also caused conflicting feelings. To show that he became a rapist for a reason is not so bad, but they went a little overboard with his correction, because this scenario is simply unrealistic, although some points indicate that he has improved very relatively. But the advantage is that he thought about his actions only when he was completely alone. Only complete isolation and the hatred of others helped him to at least admit the idea that something was wrong with him. That is, by covering up for abusers, people don't help them in any way.

I was more outraged by the fact that Monty told Tyler that he was singing, he wasn't the only one, there were a lot of guys like that. I mean, a lot? So he did it more than once? At school? Why was there only one Tyler who reacted like that? Did the others just move on? Why didn't you do anything? Maybe one of them, or their relatives or friends, killed him in prison? It's impossible not to reveal this storyline.

Well, then. This seems to be my favorite season. There's a lot of drama, as I love it. For the last 3-4 episodes, I couldn't hold back the tears. Poor Monty. The poor guy is not to blame for the environment he grew up in : (Victim of circumstances.
But the ending was a little frustrating. :
1. Jess was terribly disappointing. Uses Alex as an errand boy. At the same time, she was ready to leave Bryce to die on the ground, but when Alex threw him into the water, suddenly he is the most terrible person on earth. And then immediately everyone starts coming up with a new story to save Alex. What are the standards? Monty, who raped her, deserved to die, but Alex, who intentionally killed her, didn't?
2. And then, how did the students trick the police and detectives in general. It's all too far-fetched.

And one more question, please, who can do it:
Whose gun was found in the end?
Whose things did the sheriff burn?

Question.
Maybe I missed something.
But who killed Monty? And why did the football team invite his friend to their place, as if they wanted something from him? They showed it like it was a key moment.

It's just an emotional meat grinder.
I'll give this season a 10/10.

I'm sorry, but the ending got really hot.

Alex, no matter how sweet he was, had killed a man, stood there and coolly watched Bryce drown. How is he better than Bryce and Monty after this situation? Some kind of double standards and hypocrisy were eventually shown in the series. Killing a man, even someone like Bryce, does not justify the murderer at all and the murderer must be punished, but in the end everyone treats him like a written bag and no one even thought to condemn him a little.

Still, Anya knew in advance about Monty's death. And this whole 13-episode story was needed to "negotiate." I want justice for both the guys and Monty, but even in life there are no perfect layouts. It's clear that all this will come up next season.
Eh, guys.. :)

I wonder if Tyler had a photo of Bryce planned for a project about "Those who helped me this year"? It seems that Bryce indirectly tried to help him by threatening Monty, although it is not known how things would have developed between them.

It's funny to deny after sex that you're not gay. I just screamed

And the most disgusting thing about Alex is that he couldn't go to the police and make a confession, not when the threat of arrest was hanging over Clay (well, let's say with Clay he waited until everything could be resolved by itself, as he told Zach in the gym), but even more so when Zach told him in private that he was going to confess. In killing Bryce, he decided to let Zach take the blame. How's that? How can you protect such a character? Yes, now Bryce the rapist seems to me to be a saint compared to Alex, Bryce at least did not set up "his own" and did not kill people in cold blood.

I really hope that Alex and Jessica will be fairly imprisoned in season 4. Both characters stopped evoking any sympathy.

Maybe the fourth season will show not that there are good things in villains (as in this season with Bryce), but also that good-looking characters can turn out to be even more villains. After all, there really isn't just black or white in life.

It's completely wrong that the blame for Bryce's murder will hang, even on the dead, even on the scoundrel Monty.

Oh, and it was hard for me to watch the first episodes of this season...
but it's good that I didn't quit, it's a very strong series.

It's not clear why not make an accident in the end.. for example, he tried to get up, couldn't resist/slipped and fell.. Why bring in Alex? Why exactly did he throw it off? It's all kind of stupid.
Whatever Monty was, but at the moment of the conversation with his father, I felt sorry for him. Not an excuse for him, just humanly.
And give Clay a break already))) but for the rest, we have already spoken out more than once. Well, it's time for Justin to quit and live happily in a new cool family for him) although, most likely, next season, his mom will be returned) well, what, it will definitely add drama)

What about Bryce's broken head? Or was it not broken?

I really hope that the next season will be the last, because the plot has turned into a blatant sucking of problems from the finger. Leaving a murderer unpunished, really? Yes, Bryce deserved to pay for his actions, and I didn't fall for the scriptwriters' attempts to justify him, but that's not a reason to become a criminal yourself! How can you seriously put forward such an ending as a happy ending in a series that condemns violence? Just a facepalm.
And yes, "thank you" to the writers for the fact that now I'm disappointed in almost all the characters I loved in previous seasons. It's hard to think of a worse character development. Even Anya, to be honest, was not so infuriating against their background.
There are few advantages. I liked Jessica's development as a strong girl and her support group for victims of violence. I liked Justin and Clay's relationship. I liked that this season is finally over. Well, that's about it.

It turned out to be a very controversial season. On the one hand, they raised a lot of important topics, the detective component was on the same level, but on the other hand, the ending spoiled everything, and the character of Anya, as many wrote, annoyed with her maryishness.
I don't understand people who write that the screenwriters whitewashed Bryce and that's their mistake. To me, the writers turned him into a human being, not a cardboard villain. Lack of love, parental attention, a certain company and obvious mental disorders have done their job. If you remember, almost every character did some shit during the series: Justin allowed Hannah's photo to be distributed and Jessica was raped, Jessica was on drugs, Jessica slapped Hannah in the face because of a guy and rushed from Justin to Alex and back, Alex made a list, was on steroids, went to a prostitute, killed Bryce, Tyler took pictures of Hannah and Courtney, wanted to shoot schoolchildren, Zach ignored Hannah, beat Bryce, Tonny got involved with drug dealers and was generally prone to violence. But for some reason, everyone loves them. They are forgiven for everything. What kind of hypocrisy is this? I'm not saying that Bryce is solely a victim of circumstances and we urgently need to exonerate him. But you have to accept that he's human, and he's prone to making mistakes. And the fact that he wants to fix them makes him at least worthy of understanding.
I really didn't like that they pushed everything onto Monty. Yes, he behaved like a bastard. But just for a second. He was originally imprisoned for rape, and if he hadn't committed suicide, he would have been imprisoned for murder for the rest of his life. What does this tell us about the supposedly "good" characters? That they're the same as Bryce, who escaped the court. And there are definitely no good or bad ones here.
Well, the plot for next season was a bit weak.

I missed the moment, what was it from what and why did I wash Anya at the beginning of the first episode? Blood or paint from the protest?

This season revealed that all the main characters are scum except Clay and Tyler.
I still have a question: Will Clay be able to continue loving a girl as frivolous as Ani, who, by and large, didn't give a shit about other people's feelings most of the time? Has she improved? Was there a mother's influence in this? God knows. But she doesn't respect other people's feelings. Maybe she can relate to an exceptional situation or situation that people find themselves in, but she has obvious problems with empathy.

I have a question. What the fuck is this? I don't understand if the point of seasons 1 and 2 wasn't to get justice for everyone, and then suddenly everything descended into some kind of pseudo-detective Argentine bullshit, where "He's a murderer", "No, she's a murderer!", and in the end it all merged like that. I didn't understand at all who came up with the crazy idea to put all the blame on Monty. Yes, he's an asshole, but damn it, Alex's cockiness just amazed me. Ani is terrible in everything, from her character to her actions. He's one of the most unpleasant character types I've ever come across. Foaming at the mouth, she tried to find the killer, defended Bryce, seeing him as a man, so that she could cover up for the killer. Well, Monty is a murderer now, but it seemed too difficult later on, so it was easier to just kill him. 10 out of 10 merged endings.

Where was Clay at the time of Bryce's murder?

I don't understand why they should have killed Bryce in the first place. I understand that the series raises issues of violence, its consequences, and so on. But it could have been done without killing. I think the creators did this intentionally, just to raise the hype. The best idea for the season would be how rapists and their victims adapt after everything. But in fact, everything in the sacrifice season is as it is, because Bryce was not loved and he was used to taking this love by force, but in the end he realized that he was unwell and it needed to be fixed. Yes, he said he wouldn't change, but acknowledging a problem is always the first and big step towards solving it. Monty is like this because he is gay in a homophobic family, plus violence at home gives rise to the fact that he is trying to assert himself at school, even if it is too exaggerated. Anya was only needed as a storyteller throughout the entire season, and that was all, and it was wildly annoying how she was shown every time at the beginning of the episode and she pursed her lips so fake, ugh. As a result, it's interesting, yes, but the murder itself and how it's done is a horror. In fact, Bryce died, of course, because he hurt someone again, but he already paid for it with three broken limbs! And when Alex picked him up, of course, he started screaming all sorts of bullshit in pain, well, people do that! I think if he had come to his senses and discussed everything with a psychologist, his anger would have subsided, but no, Alex threw him off the pier for some reason. Well, the game is. Game! Another infuriating character is Alex. This season, he has gone from being a guy I genuinely feel sorry for to a terrible hysterical woman who only annoys me, and the fact that he threw Bryce off the pier only confirms this. In general, summing up, it is clear why the critics hated the season. But...This is not the end, and the final fourth season is waiting for us, no matter what. I hope they will make him worthy and will not make criminals out of victims. Again.

Yeah.... season 3 was very difficult for me...
it was kind of delayed... the storyline of Tyler and Justin took out the whole series.... Clay was a good guy and remained so....

I think the fact that Clay wasn't smiling even in the last few shots of the episode tells us about his serious condition, which will have to be dealt with in season 4.

It's a kind of season, but I don't really like the idea of continuing it, it was still clear in the second season, there was a trial, everything was still connected with Hannah, and now it's completely different stories, not quite the "13 reasons why" anymore.
It was interesting to watch. I remember being amazed by what happened to Tyler, it's terrible to watch him gradually come to his senses, and especially how his friends helped him. There was an interview. And it's impossible not to mention the actor! He just played it perfectly, this tightness, fear, and then becoming again.
I have always loved Tony, and I was very worried about him after the story with my family. I didn't have enough of it.
Back in the first episode, when Ani first appeared, I wondered why the new character was needed. It makes sense to introduce a new hero, especially a girl, and also bring her together with Clay. And I agree with the comments above, pure Mary Sue, absolutely simple.
The first two seasons, Bryce only disgusted me, and I didn't even notice his cute face, this season I noticed that he turns out to be handsome. I really empathized with him, because he realized and really wanted to change, he was even worried that he might hurt Anya, but here no one believed that he was capable, and like Anya there she told him that he was different, etc. But it's one thing when some leftist woman tells you, and another when a bunch of friends support you.
I really liked the three scenes.
The first is a goosebumps-inducing scene in the auditorium. When people stood up and confessed. It was strong.
The second was at Clay's house, when everyone was sitting and listening to Bryce's tape. Just all together. Their awareness of everything.
And the third is a scene in Monet with photographs. Perfect.

the season was stuffy, but nevertheless it was interesting and sad, and the scenes were powerful, which touched a nerve and which, in a good way, should really be covered
, I really liked that every character (both positive and negative) was shown from both sides. she managed to feel sympathy for everyone, and anger, and condemn, and pity!! (well, except for Anya, she infuriated without ceasing, uhhh!!!)
even for Monty, there was some pity in the moments with that boy
, he was still a man, even though
Bryce was still a man, even though he was a freak
in his memories with his mother, he was always perceived as an ordinary teenager
in general, the season is not bad, but it would be better to end it!!!
Judging by the gun bag, it's still coming up...

And how are these fuckers better than Bryce now?
It's funny to see comments like "Bryce deserved it", "Alex saw in his eyes that he would never change and therefore dumped him", "Bryce provoked him himself!1!».
Is everything okay with your head?
Cocksucking Bryce for raping and justifying Alex for his murder is the ultimate hypocrisy.
And to throw this crime on another person.. Well, that's without comment
Thanks to the scriptwriters for the excellent message that you can't rape, but you can kill.

The ending in Monet is gorgeous, please stop spoiling anything else.

The actor who played Bryce is great. He really evoked different emotions throughout the series. Of course, there are few people like Bryce in our lives who would like to become different or at least be aware of what they have done. The series specifically emphasized this. After all, the series is about teenagers, it's watched by teenagers. The younger generation should draw the right conclusions from what they have seen. I think the goal of this season was to show everyone from different angles and that everyone needs a chance. I didn't really like the moment of Bryce's murder. Anyway, no one deserves to die. Perhaps, having survived, he would have lived with this burden forever and it would have been harder. Which he voiced on the tape. I don't want to believe that people will look at it and decide that this should be done with every scumbag. He'll just go berserk and throw a man into the water, which is how justice will prevail. This is not the purpose of the story being told. In general, my impressions of the finale are a little vague. The season itself was interesting, as usual, the secrets and bad sides of teenagers were revealed. Nevertheless, I saw a drop of sympathy for Bryce in everyone, although, like us viewers, we did not want to perceive this. To sum up, I would like to say that we live in a cruel world, the series shows us this. We need to remain human, always and under any circumstances. And I think it's right that my friends supported Alex. If you choose from lesser evils, as they say...

Everything is fine, of course
But who shot Bryce?

I'll just say that the actor playing Monty's boyfriend Winston is incredibly handsome!!

Overall, I enjoyed the season. Maybe someone won't agree with me, but I think putting the blame for the murder on Monty is mean. It's clear that they're all protecting Alex, but still, Monty is also a human being. He's guilty of bullying Tyler, but not of murder.
What kind of Justin the cat found the strength to ask for help, and this is already a 50% success rate. I really like their brotherly bond with Clay. 🤗 Tyler's photo exhibition deserves a special like) so many amazing pictures, so many friends nearby... It's nice to see that he hasn't withdrawn into himself. I'm looking forward to the final season. I hope that everything will be fine in it for sure.

How to watch a bad parody of Misfits, How to get away with murder and Big little lies? That's right, watch season 3 of 13 Reasons Why aka "fabulous fucking".
However, the moral of the season is good: the guy who has been trying to do everything right all the time, under the influence of a strange and vague new girl, throws a very crappy but innocent guy under the train. Well, why not? He's already dead, thanks to the good writers. And if not?
Thanks to an ingenious decision to fix the debt dilemma for Alex's father, Monty's case will be put on the brakes. Of course, there will be no fingerprints of Jessica and Alex on the blood tape. And the fact that Jessica's words are so fucking similar to the very tape that "Monty took", no one will notice either.
Season 4 will be about Clay's endless suffering, "did we do the right thing?" and, as they laughed on YouTube under the trailer for this season, the ghost of a reformed Bryce. And we're not going anywhere from Anya next season. Pam-pam-pam.

Disgusting, just the worst season. Please feel sorry for the people and STOP FILMING THIS! I'm not even going to describe anything, because it's better to say "Holy shit, dude, do you know you're good looking, right?" There was nothing in this episode. Po-zo-ri-she.

P.S. Anya is with Clay after all, for God's sake, for what??

I liked the ending just because it's all so touching and sweet. Alex((( I think Monty deserved it, he really pissed me off in all the seasons. I usually write comments for each episode, but here I don't even have anything to write for the rest of the series. It would be the perfect ending to the series.

I was not disappointed with the season and I love reading people's comments here, it always helps me to make sure of my assessment.
I don't believe Bryce and I sincerely don't feel sorry for him. People don't change. And he immediately negated every "good" deed with regular threats, banter, and open hatred. So yes, this is the ending Bryce deserved.
I was disappointed with Alex as a character. He had gone through so much to pour it all out in such an end. And no, it didn't bother me that he threw Bryce into the river, I would have thrown him myself, it bothered me that he allowed all this to be hidden. So many people have to live with his secret, so many collateral losses. And I agree with Wilhelm, "Monty was a man" (although I also consider his outcome worthy of his character, but that's not the point). He had to sit there, be bullied by his cellmates, be raped, and answer in full for his crime, but definitely not for Alex.
Moreover, it was possible to model such a thing here: self-defense and would have received his conditional and would have given everyone around him not to live with a burden on his soul.
Ani is just terrible, such an unnecessary character, it really pisses me off. She was so deeply introduced to their party, she knew all the secrets and problems... What is it anyway? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ probably introduced for racial equality.
Thanks to the season for Tyler. Bravo to the actor, it was played so subtly that all the tears when watching this season are dedicated to him.

In the comments above, we already wrote about the transformation of "13 reasons why" into "How to get away with murder." And if the first season told us that a combination of significant and not-so-significant events can lead to tragedy, the second that even for a minor contribution to this tragedy, everyone should be responsible or at least realize their involvement, then the third tells us: "if a person is not very good, drown him, hang the murder on another shitty one." Chela, but don't forget to involve the entire inner circle and create a network of mutual responsibility so that no one will betray you!"
A lot more can be said about Bryce, Zach, and the rest of the characters, but even somehow laziness.

Okay, fact is, I just believed and watched with the hope that this is the last season (and with Clay's face in the last shots on the couch), but apparently not, sow, fact is.
Yes, I agree with all the outrages about fucking making Bryce good the whole fucking season. And to make a fucking 13-episode Scooby Doo series out of it?
It's not much at all, it's just a maximum carton.
If the first season showed how all people reflected on Hannah, and the second how Hannah reflected on everyone, then it was as if they decided to shoot "street of broken lanterns". And the next one will be about the found weapon? Seriously?? Maybe we'll go back to the relationship of people and leave the detectives???
At least there was some empathy for Tyler (well, also for Clay's fucking from all this crap) and compared to previous seasons, this is negligible.
In short, the moral of the series is so fucked up that I'm really impressed with the diligence of the scriptwriters in this matter. Do not seek help from adults, lie about everything and everyone, kill, pin your crimes on others, live your best life!

Having finished watching the last episode, I agree with the majority opinion that the season is extremely weak and absolutely does not reach the level of the previous two. Two of them, because the second season was interesting because it showed the characters' subsequent lives after the tragedy and the other side of the stories that Hannah told.
In principle, it was possible to end the series at the trial, but, no, the scenes of Tyler's beating and the spring ball with the failed shooting were filmed.
The groundwork for the third season
Continues, in my opinion, the plot is largely sucked out of the finger.
Bryce's murder? Well, such a twist. Although it was interesting to look at him from the other side.
I was glad to see the old characters.
But the introduction of a new character (Anya) was simply unnecessary. JUST FOR FUN???? This is the question I've been asking myself all season, episode after episode. And almost all the scenes with her were just a waste of screen time for me.
Definitely my favorite lines were: how Tyler coped with what happened and Justin joining Clay's family (such cute brothers turned out)
I didn't have much of Alex, he used to be one of my favorite characters.
A lot of storylines were stupidly added to fill the series with at least something, it was very felt.
I probably watched the season for a very long time because of this.
Not to compare with the previous ones, which looked in the same breath.

I do not know what the fourth season might be about.
I think I'm only going to watch it because of the characters I already love.

P.S. and I sooooo hope that Anya won't be in the fourth season (scriptwriters, please!!!!)

I watched this season only because I don't like not finishing what I started, but after watching it, I was completely horrified. What does this series, which is supposed to teach teenagers something, actually teach? Namely, that in the end you can blame an innocent man, because he's dead, what difference does it make, because the murder was committed by the sheriff's son, he can, and in general he's a good guy (xs why). Everything is so far - fetched and sucked out of their fingers that it 's just a shame for the time spent .

I can't believe it was Alex. How can you drown a beaten man? At this point, I feel sorry for Bryce, who tried to change. I even wonder what would have happened if Bryce had survived, how would it have ended? Has he improved? But unfortunately, it will not be possible to answer this question.
Even his tape can't change my opinion about Bryce. Acknowledging one's own activities is already the first step towards redemption.

At first it seemed to me that Bryce's farewell speech on the tape could have been stronger, but like what else could he have said?
And I'm glad Zach didn't kill him and wasn't a wimp at the same time.
In general, the season is on the level, they surpass themselves every time

I've been worried about Clay all season, but he really doesn't deserve to be punished. He was ready to tear out his throat and give his life for his friends. and the infuriating Amorovat (Ani) is certainly not a match for a good guy. everything is so right "out of nowhere". until the last moment, she thought that this whole idea of hers to get Bryce into bed was the revenge of a girl who had once been raped in the past , at another school , for example. or at least Hannah's spirit got into her (I'm exaggerating).
Does the rapist have a chance? Does he have the right to continue living as if this had never happened in his life? go to a good university, get an education, get a good position, have a family and children, and move on as if he hadn't ruined the lives of several children. And broken children, broken destinies, how can they continue to live an ordinary life? The same Monty, for example, who raped boys with a mop in the toilet, if it weren't for prison and his death, would he have changed? It is unlikely that this angry person could change just because, for example, a good guy would fall in love with him. or Justin, who went through fire and water as a small teenager, slept with men for a dose after experiencing violence in early childhood.
the violent world of teenagers... and adults who don't notice what's wrong with their children, as if they weren't like that themselves, as if one of them hadn't been through it.
It was the adult point of view that was missing for me in some moments: when the coach told Justin to run a few laps, don't give up or give up everything, go get a dose again, I waited for him to bend down and tell him in his ear that he had gone through it too, and he hadn't broken down, he was cured, he was now a coach and was lying in Kanave was dying of heroin.
an adult's word was not enough at the moment when the children stood up and said in turn that they were victims of violence, there was not enough at least one adult's voice that he (she) suffered violence, although if the same psychologist, at that moment the children would understand that everything that was happening to them was also and with adults, they are not alone in their problems and pains. suffering.

So he bought the guns himself. In the last episode of the first season, Tyler takes a gun from some darknet dealer with the words "I'll learn how to shoot on YouTube", these are not his parents' guns, so..)

@arifmetica: And who is Winston?

@Annetinka: Anya and Clay were talking to him when they found the envelope that Monty had thrown away.