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Defending Jacob — s01e04 — Damage Control

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Duration: 48 min.
Released: 01.05.202001.05.2020 15:00
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1 season
s01e04
s01e01 - Pilot
s01e02 - Everything Is Cool
s01e03 - Poker Faces
s01e04 - Damage Control
s01e05 - Visitors
s01e06 - Wishful Thinking
s01e07 - Job
s01e08 - After

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anatrnd
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01 May 2020, 13:30 #
many wrote in the comments to the first series that AC/DC is a reference to Tony Stark, and in this series, as soon as I heard the phrase whatever it takes (47:13), I immediately remembered endgame with:
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02 May 2020, 03:00 #
@kaktusiXa: Ahahah, I die from these "references" every time, thanks to the world of cinema for this
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Gideon666
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02 May 2020, 22:01 #
@vk954069: And Simmons in the finale is generally a reference to HBO's "Oz"
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the episode aired 01.05.2020
polibelle
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01 May 2020, 15:06 #
Lori was treated terribly, just terribly. She reveals her soul, suffers, and is being watched as a test subject.

The series remarkably continues to bend the line that parents no longer protect Jacob from everyone, but protect him from themselves and from their suspicions. And whatever it takes, they try to find excuses for him in their own eyes.
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fs_ann
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29 Jul 2021, 10:25 #
Isn't that expected in their position? The lawyer warned you, no emotions, no unnecessary conversations, and even more so with outsiders, because everything can turn against you.
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Dobbymen
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01 May 2020, 15:11 #
The further you go, the more questions you have. I don't like the scenes from Andy's interrogation-how it all came to this and what exactly happened. I'm afraid to imagine what will happen next.
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dellievil
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01 May 2020, 22:50 #
I read that many people noticed that Andy talks about Jacob in the past person. it's also scary to think what happened anyway)
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mrwinchester
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02 May 2020, 02:14 #
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vikvik1998
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01 May 2020, 15:50 #
The series shows that Lori is a hostage of the situation. A woman's life is turned upside down, divided into before and after. It's scary to realize that at such moments, psychologically, people are shutting themselves off from people who need support, help
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wonderwood
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01 May 2020, 18:13 #
I spent the entire 48 minutes of the episode in wild tension from what was happening in the series and I understand that it will only get worse from now on. With each new episode, it becomes more and more difficult to watch the series morally. I'm so worried about what's happening, it's like I'm in the place of Jacob's parents. The actors play so incomparably that you can't help but believe in what is happening. I am very sorry for Andy and Laurie and I am sad that in this situation they, like most couples, have become estranged from each other and each of them has secrets, although in this situation it seems to me it would be better to support each other. Lori had to endure what was happening and we see how the whole situation began to eat away at her from the inside: she has lost all her "friends", her job, people look at her with hatred, journalists track her down. Andy may not know his father very well and didn't spend much time with him, but the scene in prison shows that his father still had an impact on Andy's development as a person and I'm even afraid of what Andy's conversation with his father will result in in the next episode.
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id304943375
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01 May 2020, 19:19 #
Lori can be seen struggling inside herself. She is tormented by doubts, but is it true that Jacob did not do this ?
Unlike Andy, who believes his son unconditionally. At the psychologist's appointment, we see that Andy doesn't want to tell us anything about Jacob. Allegedly, there were no problems with his upbringing at all.
Laurie, on the contrary, begins to doubt it. And torments himself with guesses

And so, the series turned out to be excellent. It 's incredibly interesting to watch the characters, the way they reveal themselves . And how they go through a difficult time trying to distract themselves.

By the way, the phrase Andy said, "whatever it takes," I think we'll see how far he's willing to go to protect and justify his son.
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polibelle
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01 May 2020, 23:04 #
@id304943375: It seems to me that Andy is also doubtful, it's just that the parents have a contrasting line of expression for this. We are shown long plans when he looks at his son for a long time, for example, when they watched a movie together and Jacob laughed at the phrase about the death of six people. And in the previous series, he periodically looks at his son with very long plans. And his denial of obvious problems in childhood only emphasizes that he protects his son from his own doubts, but he has them.
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s_o_rogers
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01 May 2020, 20:31 #
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olya_loui
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02 May 2020, 00:20 #
@s_o_rogers: Take a look with Chris Knives out. I watched the next day after this series and was just delighted with a completely different Evans.
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panda_vendy
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01 May 2020, 21:42 #
No one saw what kind of red salad they had for dinner at the beginning of the series?... 🙈
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polibelle
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01 May 2020, 23:05 #
@panda_vendy: Cherry tomatoes, cut in half, with butter and herbs.
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zula22
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02 May 2020, 23:55 #
@polibelle: I also stared at the salad...there was definitely an onion there, and on a separate plate of feta like
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magicbean
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29 May 2020, 02:36 #
@panda_vendy: Oh my God, I thought I was the only one! Cherry, onion and greens were definitely there
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SemperAdMeliora
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08 Nov 2022, 06:53 #
@panda_vendy: cherry tomatoes with red onions and olives - drowned in olive oil or salad dressing.
you pay attention to such things because the plot begins to pull you into a dream.
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faiko
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01 May 2020, 21:45 #
The killer gene, really? Do we now have a desire to kill, break the law and shoot ourselves genetically transmitted? In other words, you can't call it that, all the dogs were unleashed on Andy - as if you were such a creature, hiding life-defining information. What's it got to do with you? And how can this be used in court at all? Where the hell is the presumption of innocence and banal sound judgment?
This representative of the "prosecution" and Lori are just two Los Angeles-sized irritants.
Bombalala.
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whostakoslavegod
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01 May 2020, 22:57 #
@faiko: What does this have to do with what you described and the presumption of innocence?
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faiko
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02 May 2020, 04:29 #
@tla: Yes, the fact that Andy is being judged for having offspring, having a "predisposition" to violence in a greater part than Jacob himself.
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m0ose_
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13 May 2020, 00:07 #
if we are talking about Andy's testimony to the prosecutor, which dilutes the main storyline, then he is not being tried for "offspring", but at least for concealing a crime (if his son is guilty and the knife was then the murder weapon), or God knows what
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faiko
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13 May 2020, 17:17 #
@m0ose_: I was referring to the metaphorical aspect of "judging" by the community and the main characters...
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manuuuwa
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05 Jan 2021, 19:13 #
I subscribe to every word. The killer gene? Seriously? One fingerprint and the suspect's grandfather is the killer. That was the end of the investigation. Everyone is pointing furiously at Jacob. I hope we just don't see the rest of the police actions. Or I missed this moment. At this point, of course, my brain came out of the chat.
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yuko_san
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26 Apr 2021, 15:26 #
@manuuuwa: No, they have such a protocol: there is enough evidence to consider the case in court (an imprint). Whether it is enough to charge is a matter for the prosecutor's office, not the police. The police have a lot of cases, they "solved" one and moved on. It's in the series that cops serve 24/7 and try to solve the case, find the truth, even when the boss has suspended them from the case. And in fact, I did the job, and then the system decides. At most, this lawyer continues to be a detective in an attempt to justify the client. And the task of the prosecutor is no longer to find another possible killer (otherwise, with two obvious suspects, it will not be possible to put any one in jail, unless they committed a crime together), but to find as much evidence as possible pointing specifically to this person. And the lawyer will give explanations why this or that happened, or could not have happened to her client in any way. To ruin the prosecution's case. Which is what she said she would do.
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dellievil
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01 May 2020, 23:24 #
I sat and bit my nails for 40 minutes. I have been planning to continue the book for several weeks now, but not to finish it, but to see the ending in the series. I feel more tension not in the scenes from their no longer so everyday life, but in the scenes from Andy's interrogation. every time I wait for some question, after which it may break.
as for the suspicions, "did you think in your heart that it could be him?" — everything is very vague. every parent will protect their child in one way or another and not allow the thought that he could have done something. but nowadays it's clear to everyone how secretive teenagers can be, there's no certainty that you know your son/daughter the way you thought you did. therefore, it is very painful and scary to think that you can be wrong.
I'm not talking about the actors' game — for me, Jayden's game is just on top here. it would be great if he was nominated for an Emmy (if that's possible) 😅
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еxprisee
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01 May 2020, 23:42 #
"What the hell did I tell you about.." recalled the moment with Hopper's phrase (Very strange things) "When I say 3 inches!"
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Stoni
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02 May 2020, 00:29 #
Poor Andy. Meeting his father will obviously be very difficult for him, but for the sake of his son he will have to step over himself. He is a very good parent.
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KseniAmatory
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02 May 2020, 01:37 #
Chris is doing a great job playing the father, you can see how worried he is about his son, he got used to the role well.
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Tania_Larina
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02 May 2020, 01:46 #
They pumped up the whole series of tension, and at the end they also beat Jay Simmons. Well, we've caught up with a lot of suspense!
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ezozajuraeva
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02 May 2020, 02:20 #
I'm completely confused😶
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Rin_Rin
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02 May 2020, 03:16 #
На хрупкие плечи Лори сейчас упал весь груз общественного порицания,в то время как Энди продолжают заваливать воспоминаниями о прошлом и детстве,а ведь он пытается ещё и параллельно докопаться до правды о деле его сына...ну а Джейкоб пока пытается жить привычной жизнью подростка,ключевое слово «пытается»....нет ну на это всё слишком тяжело смотреть,у меня сердце за эту семью уже болит больше,чем за собственные житейские неурядицы😖

Сперва эти письма с угрозами,затем подставная писательница...за что ей это всё?Почему нельзя эту бедную женщину оставить в покое,дать ей успокоить свои нервы и поддерживать семью в такое трудное время?

Нервы с каждым эпизодом просто на пределе,и у меня ещё жгучее желание прочесть книгу до конца сериала,но при этом не хочется ломать эту «сериальную» интригу для себя. Что делать,не знаю,внутренняя борьба на фоне сюжета,ну что такое...🤦🏼‍♀️

Финальная сцена с отцом не сулит ничего доброго,особенно для Энди,его тоже пытаются довести до нервного срыва,столкнув лбами с отцом-преступником...чем дальше в лес,тем больше дров,как говорится,чувствую у сериала будет весьма прискорбный финал.
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DianaDS
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02 May 2020, 18:21 #
Появление Дж.К. Симмонса в конце это просто 💥
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AllisonJB
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02 May 2020, 22:20 #
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Body_Speaks
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03 May 2020, 00:09 #
 Сразу поняла.что эта баба из дайнера - репортерша
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Ophella
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30 Oct 2020, 03:38 #
Да, достаточно штампованный и очевидный ход в фильмах/сериалах
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Body_Speaks
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03 May 2020, 00:17 #
this is the fourth series from apple tv, which looks in one breath!
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SantanaSel
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10 May 2020, 21:46 #
а можете подсказать какие ещё, пожалуйста, помимо the morning show?
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Hannah_Abbot
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21 May 2020, 03:37 #
@SantanaSel: Мне понравился Дикинсон, исторический с современной оптикой, про Эмили Дикинсон.
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Dora924
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17 Jun 2020, 19:14 #
Дом с прислугой от apple
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SashaMidl
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13 Oct 2020, 04:53 #
Мне ещё очень понравился «See»
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Body_Speaks
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28 Jan 2021, 11:00 #
@SantanaSel: мне понравился "Servant" "Morning show" и еще очень классный - "Truth be told"
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chashunya
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29 Nov 2021, 11:56 #
@SantanaSel: хоть и комедийный, но мне на одном дыхании смотрелся "Тед Лассо"
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Шелтон
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12 Jun 2022, 15:17 #
Тед Лассо, домой до темноты, основание, дом с прислугой, дикинсоны, утреннее шоу
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ashviki
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03 May 2020, 03:12 #
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ashviki
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01 Dec 2020, 15:54 #
Интересно - зачем столько минусов, разве нельзя высказать своё мнение, никого вроде не оскорбила. Мне в принципе все равно конечно на эти минусы, просто удивительно - не понравилось что написала, просто пройди мимо или ответь🤷🏼‍♀️ много кто в комментах задали этот вопрос и ни одного ответа😅😎
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Iliketosleep
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31 May 2021, 02:52 #
@ashviki: это не только на этом ресурсе, а вообще в интернете. Есть 2 точки зрения моя и не правильная, пора бы смириться.
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fanofbuzova
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03 May 2020, 06:14 #
Of course, I understand that I will be in the minority among the huge number of Evans fans, but Michelle Dockery is my goddess! How cool she's acting out here, I just can't🥺
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IndieAme
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04 May 2020, 15:21 #
@fanofbuzova: I agree! Michelle is doing a great job with the role, so far I empathize with Laurie the most. Her doubts about her son's innocence are very well shown, but at the same time it is quite obvious how much she loves him.
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sally_ride
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03 May 2020, 14:32 #
This episode is really cool, the end is creepy.
I still don't understand what kind of killer gene they are looking for and why the police are working so sluggishly. But I fully admit that this may be the case.
All the characters are very ambiguous.
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Ophella
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30 Oct 2020, 03:43 #
Strangely enough, there really is such a theory about the "killer gene" with publications from medical journals, Google it.
But it is doubtful that this can be used in any way in favor of the defendant - to be honest, it is rather a reason to pack him for life, since he cannot control himself.
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litv69ak
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03 May 2020, 22:06 #
Jacob and Sarah Kanon❣️
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Maxyjazz
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04 May 2020, 01:33 #
Something is thickening the colors over mom, is she really doing something?
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id21841013
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04 May 2020, 03:15 #
I just can't get used to the leprechaun as the accuser)
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Katya_die_Katze
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05 May 2020, 13:07 #
@id21841013: all the time I mentally finish drawing his mustache :)
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монстрик
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06 May 2020, 23:45 #
@id21841013: Oh my God, I kept thinking where did I see this actor
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magicbean
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29 May 2020, 02:40 #
@id21841013: Yeah, it looks so unusual that all the time it seems that he got the set mixed up :D
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fosya
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04 May 2020, 04:39 #
So, an important question.
I noticed it back in the first episode, it just stung again:
Laurie WAS an Art History major.
Before that: I KNEW my son.

Wtf, guys, considering Andy looks crushed, I'm not sure if Lori and Jacob are okay.
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olya_loui
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04 May 2020, 17:28 #
@fosya: Well, the fact that Lori was, it can be explained by the dismissal. And about Jacob, yes, it's very strange, many have already noticed:(
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fosya
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05 May 2020, 17:20 #
Art History major is an education, it has nothing to do with her job and dismissal
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klaria
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04 May 2020, 15:12 #
Came for Evans, stayed for the plot :))

Apple gave us a buzz after the article about Knives Out, of course, it's hard to ignore when it's constantly a damn apple on the screen.((

It's a damn pity for Lori - the man just crumbles before our eyes. I loved Michelle Dockery in "The Abbey", and I was glad to see her in Gentlemen later, but here she really reveals herself as a dramatic actress. Of course, I do not support criticism of her character: of course she had her OWN life (she did not plan children at all), and now she found herself stranded by a fish, and even at home she cannot find support.
It is clear that Andy also doubts his son's innocence, but he never admits it out loud, and this ruins their marriage, giving rise to new secrets and guilt for both. In the first episodes, I wanted to point out what chemistry and warmth there is between the spouses, and I would like them to survive this ordeal together, but now I look at their relationship as an inevitable train wreck. After all, Andy was right-the truth about her father had really changed Laurie's attitude towards him.

Unfortunately, there is a feeling that with the "killer gene" and Andy's father, the series has turned somewhere wrong.(
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Alina262006
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04 May 2020, 16:15 #
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olya_loui
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04 May 2020, 17:29 #
@Alina262006: Google it, why spoil the impression of others with spoilers?!
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08 May 2020, 20:59 #
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BrandyAlexandr
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04 May 2020, 19:06 #
Everyone experiences the situation in their own way. And Andy's path is closer to me than Laurie's.
Lori has not been liked at all since the very first episode.
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05 May 2020, 01:59 #
So, the rapist on parole somehow happened to be in the park on the day the boy died, the police did not decide to check his phone, alibi and talk to one of his victims, but simply released him and convicted the student. What's going on here anyway?
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Simferia
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05 May 2020, 15:59 #
@Dw4it: there is simply no more out-of-the-blue plot to come up with
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Simferia
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05 May 2020, 15:58 #
You watch such series and realize how disgusting society is. How everyone turns away from you, even though your guilt has not even been proven. And bullying.


That's who 100% needs to be imprisoned, those who arrange harassment.
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rigorin
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27 Sep 2022, 12:41 #
@Simferia: сажать
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Fiska-Anfiska
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09 May 2020, 11:04 #
I thought there was no limit to the perfection of the cast, but they took and made Simmons' crazy grandpa! The perfect choice, I can't wait to see him in this role. In general, it's amazing that even after 4 episodes I can't get enough of the cast.
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SantanaSel
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10 May 2020, 21:53 #
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Jemm
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11 May 2020, 00:52 #
Damn, the topic of Chris in the pool is not disclosed!
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11 May 2020, 02:40 #
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Blomma
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11 May 2020, 18:06 #
Сплошные тлен и безысходность пока что :( Хочется, чтобы хоть какая-то надежда появилась у этой семьи. Кажется, что в итоге убийца окажется кто-то третий, не Джейкоб и не Пиц (или как его там).
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FRFD
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16 May 2020, 08:24 #
Видимо со мной что-то не так или не знаю ещё как объяснить то, что опять Мишель Докери боготворят за какую-то крутую игру, тогда как мне кажется что она практически никакая. Вот опять блин, такая ОФИГЕННАЯ сцена в кафешке. То как всё обставили и подобрали, какой саунд, как эта дама втёрлась к ней в доверие, как вообще сам факт того что это должно было бы эмоционально, но актриса опять строит гримасы типа плачет, но ей вообще не веришь.
Вернее как.. Я ей начал верить ещё на моменте когда она поняла что к ней обращаются что бы сахар попросить , а не начать во всём обвинять и хэйтить . Такая эмоциональная сцена, она цепляется фраза за разговор и Ты прям едва ли не физически чувствуешь как она не хочет что бы обыденный разговор не прекращался, как она потом книгу заметила когда та дама уже почти уходила и начала за книгу цепляться, потом фри предложила ей, обрадовалась что её пригласили за стол, прям ааааа с сценарной точки зрения всё просто обалденно и даже актриса старалась , но тут наступает момент где должен быть пик эмоций с слезами и всем прочим, но она опять просто морщит нос и прикрывает рот руками. Ну что блять такое? Окей, видимо актриса просто не может в слёзы и прочее, но она и в истерику не может. Вот ей говорят что на самом деле её обманули и это подстава ради интервью , мир опять погрузился в мрачные краски, она вроде почти готова сорваться на истерику, а она просто что-то чуть повысила голос и пошла в машину. Я прям разочарован ..
И вдвойне разочарован что её почему-то в комментах превозносят ..

Ладно, хватит негатива. Ещё в глаза бросилось что нам на допросе чётко показали что тут будут использовать метод ненадёжного рассказчика , а значит некоторым вещам может не стоит верить, даже если их показали в кадре.

Ну и да, Симмонс в финале это прям аааа круто!
ЗЫ: Есть короткометражка на околотакую же тему(если не изменяет память), какая была в кафешке. Называется "По контуру лица"
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jugheadfuckhead
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20 May 2020, 20:56 #
Жаль Лори. Вся привычная жизнь скатилась коту под хвост, сына обвиняют в убийстве, мужа отстранили от дела, подругам запрещают с ней общаться. Неудивительно, что она потянулась к едва знакомому человеку
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Hamoff
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23 May 2020, 23:07 #
Эффект попутчика.
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ramill
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26 May 2020, 05:12 #
До сих пор в шоке от того, что подростка обвиняют в убийстве и ему грозит пожизненный срок за то, что нашли отпечаток на кофте, хотя есть объяснение этому. Как за такую несущественную улику мальчику и его семье нанесён такой моральный урон? Ведь можно проверить камеры видеонаблюдения в конце концов ? Ведь должно быть точное время смерти? Может в этот момент Джейкоб ещё только подходил к парку и его запечатлели какие-то камеры. А удар был нанесён человеком роста ребёнка или выше? Разве экспертиза не должна была это показать? Очень не хватает этой информации в сериале, но напряжении сильное.
Актёры отыгрывают на все 100.
Очень интересно, чем эта история закончится!
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Lesk
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29 May 2020, 05:12 #
@ramill: думаю про камеры с тех пор как отец нож выбросил.. Отслеживал ведь эту машину, выбросил в определенный контейнер. Выглядело максимально странно. А нам даже не показывают малейшего расследования.
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FRFD
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29 May 2020, 15:14 #
@Lesk: Вроде да, но не думаю что кто-то бы прям так камеры проверял. На тот момент же вроде ещё не началась слежка за Джэйкобом и всем семейством . Та и в частных домах, не на главных дорогах, едва ли будет прям много камер. Отец просто выехал на работу или по делам как обычно вроде как. Про мусорник тут всё просто, как мне кажется. Он знает во-сколько за ним приезжают, выехал на соседний район в плюс\мину нужное время, обогнал машину на один поворот допустим, выкинул нож, подъехала машина и тут же забрала. Всё.

А вообще с точки зрения расследования тут действительно как-то всё ...странно показывают, как мне кажется. Тот же косвенный отпечаток пальца. То есть чего-то никто не решил сразу копать в сторону потенциального педофила, а начали под ребёнка который как-то один отпечаток оставил на куртке :)
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EugeniaAlexHoran
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29 May 2020, 17:41 #
@Lesk: но они же потом даже сказали, что определить точно тип ножа все равно не смогут. Только размеры, наличие зубцов
К тому же, где этот нож теперь искать?
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ramill
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29 May 2020, 21:18 #
@Lesk: согласен. Неужели не в одном доме вокруг нет уличных камер? А в парках? Даже у нас в России сейчас почти во всех парках (на входе) есть камеры видеонаблюдения.
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ramill
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29 May 2020, 21:26 #
@FRFD: причем у него есть вполне логичное объяснение, как он оставил этот самый отпечаток. То есть основательных улик нет - но семья уже отгребает по полной.
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FRFD
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01 Jun 2020, 23:37 #
@ramill: да-да. Главное ж посыл ясен что подобные обстоятельства разрушают жизни людей и всё такое, просто подано было как-то не особо достоверно. Такое ощущение что полиции даже и не нужны другие подозреваемые и они первую попавшуюся версию до конца пытаются раскрутить :\
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Iridescent19
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19 Dec 2021, 01:21 #
🔥🔥 и правда! Вы бы просто в пух и прах разнесли обвинение в суде
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GeNoM
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01 Jun 2020, 07:37 #
Поржал со кадра с макбуком. После него сразу можно уверенно сказать, что пацан не убийца!
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Hellfrozenrain
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01 Jun 2020, 22:12 #
Рада, что Энди ведет собственное расследование. Все-таки с педофилом какая-то связь есть из-за тех фоток... так что думаю он копает в нужном направлении. По-прежнему уверена, что одноклассники Джейкоба что-то знают, очень странные с ними сцены.

Джей Кей Симмонс..!💜 Еще один топ каста!
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aleksa0203
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02 Jun 2020, 00:19 #
извините, но я не понимаю логику лори. она заставляет энди встретится с отцом, которого тот не видел с 6 лет и наежает на него, когда энди отказывается, аля это поможет, в то время как сама подозревает собственного сына и еще в придачу разболтала все журналистке. сори но меня бомбит.
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Liza
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02 Jun 2020, 02:04 #
Мне нравится сериал, и как все развивается, интересно смотреть. Все персонажи на своих местах и очень верибельные (иногда в сериалах по книгам бывают персонажи со странной работой или характером, явно выдуманным, а тут все на жизнь смахивает) и история с ложным (?) обвинением и деланием козла отпущения из подозреваемого, разрушение его жизни и жизни окружающих из-за вмешательства СМИ и общественного мнения, такое и правда случается. Очень актуально.
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Painio
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05 Jun 2020, 22:42 #
Сюжет поражает своей "шедевральностью":

1. Похоже, следствие закончено, если начали прорабатывать линию защиты, настоящего убийцу никто не ищет, кроме отца. Любой НОРМАЛЬНЫЙ адвокат, а не эта бабка, разобьёт доводы прокурора в пух и прах.
2. "Я не позвонил 911 потому что думал, что меня поругают". Подумаешь человек лежит в крови и не дышит. Лепет малыша из детсада, а не 14-летнего подростка. "Я улыбался и шутил в школе, чтобы никто не догадался". Да пацан настоящий актер, другой бы на его месте после увиденного трупа был бы в шоке, а у этото ноль эмоций.
3. Ген убийцы, серьёзно?
4. Где экспертизы: какой нож, рост, убийцы? Где отработки алиби? Линию педофила, похоже, даже не отрабатывали. А куда засунули презумпцию невиновности? В любом другом городе шефа полиции и прокурора погнали сраной метлой из органов за такое расследование, но здесь это никого не беспоит.
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arifmetica
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20 Jun 2020, 02:32 #
@Painio: с экспертизой, конечно, совсем швах. По-хорошему первый вопрос, который должны были детективы задать - как этот не самый физически одарённый парень удерживал на месте свою жертву, пока бил его ножом? Отпечаток-то всего один. Или он был в перчатках? А как тогда 1 отпечаток остался? Порвалась перчатка? Очень вряд ли, но гипотетически прокатит. Где, правда, теперь эти перчатки - большой вопрос. Дальше, жертву кромсают ножом - где окровавленная одежда убийцы? Или предполагается, что Джейкоб успел убить, потом рванул домой, переоделся и пошел в школу? А кровавые вещи где? Или он умудрился от них незаметно избавиться? Тогда зачем нож оставил? Понятно, что непонятно. Так что да, судебная драма в целом смотрится интересно, но правоохранительная составляющая - вообще никакая(
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Painio
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05 Jun 2020, 23:23 #
If there is a killer gene, then undoubtedly there are genes of a thief, rapist, bribe taker, so you can not judge these at all, but let them go and apologize.
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Ulyana20
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09 Jun 2020, 00:58 #
А что если это отец Энди сбежал из тюрьмы на сутки и убил этого парнишку, и подстроил все так чтобы обвинили Джейкоба и тем самым сделав больно сыну из-за того,что он его не навещал в тюрьме???
Начались мои не реалистичные теории🤪
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FairyDream
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09 Jun 2020, 20:23 #
Я вдруг подумала, что, возможно, суд, который нам показывают в настоящем времени, - это суд над отцом на самом деле. Может, он убил этого педофила.
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mirror_effect
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19 Jun 2020, 01:04 #
ㅤ- Не понимаю, зачем это делать каждый вечер?
ㅤ- Ужинать?
ㅤ- Нет. Всем собираться за одним столом. Раньше так никогда не делали.
ㅤ- А теперь делаем.
ㅤ- Как будто притворяемся нормальными.
ㅤ- А это плохо?
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Bainloth
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24 Jun 2020, 01:02 #
Я все понимаю, что для каждого члена семьи по своему тяжело переживать последствия этой ситуации, но не понимаю Лори. Как можно вот так запросто изливать душу совершенно незнакомому человеку? Пусть напрямую никогда с таким не сталкивалась, но все же прекрасно понимают, какие журналисты, и как они могут залезть под кожу. И её вот это: "Больше никаких тайн, только правда", а теперь сама врет своим близким.
Зато вот радует взаимодействие Энди и Джейкоба. Мило и органично смотрится.
И да, оказывается, Эванс здорово вписался в роль (спокойно отношусь к актеру, без фанатизма), играет, как по мне, здорово.
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FRFD
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24 Jun 2020, 02:12 #
@Bainloth: Мне кажется тут всё крайне логично (про изливание души и всё вот это вот) ибо к Лори почти все стали по-другому относится и она не то что поговорить с кем-то, кроме семьи и адвоката, не может, она даже за покупками ходит только под самое открытие, что бы не столкнуться с случайными людьми, которые будут на неё осуждающе смотреть, тыкать пальцем и всё прочее.
А тут она сама опешила что к ней подошли не желчь излить и\или обвинить в чём-то, а просто мол "привет)) сахарку не найдётся)) давай пообщаемся просто так?))" . Естестественно она сразу же начала хвататься за эту возможность вот так вот поговорить просто так о той же книге (ей в тот момент даже про погоду было бы интересно поговорить) .
Тут срабатывает "эффект случайного попутчика" , когда проще о чём-то (тем более о проблемах) поговорить с совершенно посторонним человеком, которого, скорей всего, Ты ещё и никогда больше не увидишь. Поэтому и такие откровения у неё были. Чем специально и воспользовалась та дама из кафе.
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Bainloth
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24 Jun 2020, 04:04 #
@FRFD: Quite logical arguments, some part of me understands this and can accept it, but the other part is perplexed. And that's why:
"The "accidental travel companion effect" works here, when it is easier to talk about something (especially about problems) with a completely stranger,"
This definitely takes place. It's just that, in my opinion, situations are different when you have an ordinary life, with legitimate problems, when there is no close attention and a catch - it's okay to talk like this, pour out your soul (there can always be a risk, but not on such a scale). But the characters are in a completely different situation. Everything is thickening, and you're not just talking about the weather, you're starting to share personal things, which is unacceptable at the moment. Of course, the journalist skillfully approached and brought Laurie to the conversation, but she had to "filter" and be more careful.
This is purely my opinion))
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FRFD
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24 Jun 2020, 09:51 #
@Bainloth: People are not always logical, consistent and careful when they are under stress.
I remember a long time ago there was a fire in our house and my mother almost shouted "how to call the fire department and what to do?" and I ran around the apartment screaming, not knowing what to grab and what to do, although it would seem to grab the most valuable things (documents, savings, important things) She goes outside, but no.
This is not something that would be a close example, but it is indicative, it seems to me. So Lori seemed to know that she couldn't tell anyone anything, but she started talking too much because she thought it was a chance meeting in a random cafe and no one would understand anything anyway.
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Nick350
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25 Jun 2020, 15:12 #
In the previous episode, Lori attacked her husband for not talking about his father in prison: "You've been lying all these years!"
And then she blabbed everything to a journalist, came home, her husband asked: "How are you?", and she: "It's okay!"
Now do you understand why he didn't speak? Why ask stupid questions? Are you five years old? If you're lying yourself, what's the point of requiring others to tell the truth?
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Riddle505
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26 Jun 2020, 03:24 #
@Nick350: Well, this is not a bad situation, don't you think? She lied once about the left-handed woman from Diner, and he lied about his own father for many years. Slightly unequal)))
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Nick350
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26 Jun 2020, 09:24 #
@Riddle505: So much the more! If she's on the left, why hide it? Well, it was and it was.
All adults, everyone has reasons to say or not to say certain things.
This is his father, after all, and it's his own business how to talk about him. And he threw the knife out of the best of intentions and made up about his father, because he wanted the best.
In short, she pisses me off.
Although the situations are different, I agree.
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Nick350
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26 Jun 2020, 09:19 #
So much the more! If she's on the left, why hide it? Well, it was and it was.
All adults, everyone has reasons to say or not to say certain things.
This is his father, after all, and it's his own business how to talk about him. And he threw the knife out of the best of intentions and made up about his father, because he wanted the best.
In short, she pisses me off.
Although the situations are different, I agree.
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anrtoachvt
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27 Jun 2020, 22:23 #
The killer gene... Even laughing. I immediately remembered Riverdale with their wretched unrealistic sucked-out plot and blunders in each episode.
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anrtoachvt
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27 Jun 2020, 22:25 #
It was nice to see Simmons at the end. After the Doppelganger, I adore him.
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kir_drive
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02 Jul 2020, 04:18 #
It feels like only the father is trying to solve the problem, the wife is stupid, talking to strangers, a close friend refused her and she decided that in a small town a random aunt decided to have a nice chat with her, and the son is also so asocial or whatever you call it, does not look into her eyes when talking about serious things He talks to his father, his hat is on fire, and he creates toys and accounts
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07 Jul 2020, 03:38 #
The father of the main character is Shilinger from Oz Prison
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Hellfrozenrain
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08 Jul 2020, 18:26 #
@raven_earl: Yeah, the coolest J. K. Simmons)
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christen
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11 Sep 2020, 05:40 #
it hurts me the most from the fact that Lori freezes and does not listen to her husband at all: hello, his father is a murderer, he grew up without him and carried this burden on himself all his life. and she just sits in a chair and says, "He'll do it." Yes, he will, Laris, did you just think about his emotional state? What does he feel? what does it feel like for him to go to a man whom he does not know and is afraid of. I would hug my husband, well: (and it would be easier for everyone. although, it would seem, she works with children and must understand the importance of empathy.
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glagolushka93
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29 Sep 2020, 23:07 #
Wildly plus your comment. Lori was also pissed off at this moment. Andy opened his soul to her, probably confessed how hard it was to live with the thought of SUCH a father, and logically it was possible to get to the point that it was hard for him morally, fuck, to meet his father. But no, he would do it for his son. And for the sake of my son, I will talk to journalists and justify it by saying that I haven't communicated with anyone normally for a long time))
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moya_notal
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16 Sep 2020, 05:21 #
I accidentally stumbled upon the series in the evening and now it's 2:20 a.m. and episode 5. I'm thrilled!
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ali_law
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09 Oct 2020, 17:59 #
Ben's mom's speech at the very beginning is just a break
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ali_law
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09 Oct 2020, 18:00 #
Oh, it was in episode 5
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pechenyushka
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16 Oct 2020, 02:45 #
I rewound the moment with the joke several times, something is tight with my sense of humor, apparently) I'm looking at the original, I think okay, I misunderstood something. In the Russian voiceover, there was a completely different anecdote, next to the topic, but not about that. The Russian subtitles were better, but still not it either. I listened to it again in the original, and finally it became clear, but still somehow not very funny! I thought that someone might be hooked too) I'll leave all three options:

"You guys hear about the hipster who burned his mouth on a pizza? He ate it before it was considered cool".

Subs: "Do you know why a hipster got burned by pizza? I was afraid to miss out on a hot offer."

Voice acting: "They say that in order to have a flat stomach, you need to eat flat food. Pizza, chocolate, pancakes."

Maybe someone else has heard other options? Curious)
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Alevtayne
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26 Nov 2020, 13:25 #
@pechenyushka: "Do you know what a hipster does in a cafe without an iPhone? He draws his food before he eats it."
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Melissа
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28 Mar 2021, 18:03 #
"Do you know why the food blogger didn't finish her pizza at the cafe? She was too sharp-tongued" (voice acting by LostFilm)
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NoAngel
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15 Jan 2022, 22:08 #
@pechenyushka: Hip and hep are adjectives from the American slang of the early 20th century, meaning "to be aware". The suffix -ster nominalizes the adjective, so a hipster is someone knowledgeable, that is, someone who is familiar with social trends and understands them. The slang meaning of "cool" means "fashionable". Putting the words together, we can say that hipsters appreciate cool trends. In fact, the most avant-garde, most fashionable of hipsters pride themselves on appreciating trends before other people realize that these trends are cool. Thus, the joke, as it is, is a play on words with two meanings of the word "cool": one means "not elevated temperature" and the slang meaning "fashionable". Thus, in the slang sense, a hipster tries something before these things are usually considered cool.
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pechenyushka
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19 Jan 2022, 12:11 #
@NoAngel: thanks for the explanation, very informative)
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sweet_katius
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12 Mar 2021, 16:06 #
During the interrogation, I wanted to shout every 3 seconds: "I protest - speculation!"

And in the end, when I saw the back of my head, I thought, "Well, is it really Simmons?"
Thank you)
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Eviltea97
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23 Apr 2021, 16:09 #
What if it turns out that Sarah is the killer? 😬😬😬
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NatashCHa
NatashCHa
23 Jun 2021, 18:53 #
Jonathan Kimble Simons! Okay, there are a lot of comments about the series here, but I'm going to tell you about this wonderful guy! Something obviously impressive is waiting for us
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Meloman_Nastena
Meloman_Nastena
11 May 2022, 01:40 #
Damn, I have to go to bed and only tomorrow I'll find out who the killer is. It seems to me that it was possible to make the series shorter
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NatashCHa
NatashCHa
14 May 2022, 12:35 #
@Meloman_Nastena: Uh... no... There are as many episodes as you need
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SemperAdMeliora
SemperAdMeliora
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08 Nov 2022, 06:47 #
What nonsense went - we need the dna of your folder, because for 30 years in prison we never took it, yeah.
Well, the series started and after the 3rd episode some kind of drain went - they suck some nonsense out of their fingers to clog time.
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Antis_Sekyt
Antis_Sekyt
12 Nov 2022, 19:32 #
@SemperAdMeliora: everything in the book is also stretched. I'm not a plus, not a minus, just as a fact.There's more drama than detective.
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SemperAdMeliora
SemperAdMeliora
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13 Nov 2022, 04:07 #
@Antis_Sekyt: I haven't read it and the series didn't arouse interest in reading the book, unfortunately. I read the comparisons between the book and the series and, in my opinion, the book ended better, at least with extra twists and ends, and not he will ever wake up...
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Antis_Sekyt
Antis_Sekyt
13 Nov 2022, 20:37 #
@SemperAdMeliora: Finally, I watched the series. Yes, I agree. I can't say that I really liked the book ending, but it really came out better and more logical.
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ViktoryMartini
ViktoryMartini
22 May 2023, 18:13 #
Somehow it got boring by episode 4 and dragged on. I expected more detective stories than drama. It's good that there are a few episodes in principle, it's interesting to find out how it all ends, but the series is passing, definitely not in the Top
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Nastya2416
Nastya2416
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08 Jul 2023, 21:29 #
According to the idea, can't Lori sue her if a journalist writes something? She should immediately say who she is and get consent, without this it seems impossible. In general, Lori pisses me off with her behavior. Oh, my friends turned away from me plak plak. My husband didn't have any real friends. Are yours like the real ones who dumped you at the most difficult moment in your life? Yeah, of course.
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