@fb1003019: somehow you are too unambiguous. Josie died Floyd's death, making a martyr of herself, died by her stupid actions, froze her inadequate hand, risked herself by spitting on her adopted son, Melanie did not want to kill her. But now the residents of the Third Class and the last carriages are important.
@nebulad: Josie said during the interrogation that Melanie wouldn't let her go because she knows too much. Melanie confirmed this, saying that she would not let Leighton go either. If he doesn't let go, he'll kill you or put you in a box. But since there has already been an escape from the box, the option of killing both seems more reliable.
I don't understand the second episode already. If the first class wants to replicate Melanie in order to clean out the entire human bench from the train, then what do the others want? So that all of 3-4 become first class? The train won't feed that much. And now we know that W was once real.
@Qtilla: But there is a voice in the recordings, from which Melanie cut an appeal to passengers in the third episode. And she remembers the Dream so much at the beginning of one of the episodes, as if she really knew a living person.
But you can take any guy initially and record a voice or just change your own, because this is kind of the future and obviously if you could put a train on the rails in such an apocalypse, then they will be able to change the voice with one function.
@Qtilla: Is it okay that Ruth told the head of security on a date how Mr. W personally hired her? She doesn't need to invent anything, since she doesn't know that there are only three people steering in the cockpit right now. Take a closer look ;)
@Zy4: Is it okay that the homicidal maniac from the First One was released into their parents' arms in front of their eyes? What do they want, huh? Maybe they shouldn't be considered expendable, for starters?
@Zy4: It is unlikely that they want to become the first, but because of the first class, they cut off the provision of the third and even the second, although they serve this train, and nothing will work without them (this is about the third class).
I still love and respect Melanie. A friend does what she can and tries to maintain the train, at least at the level that is, and people need everything.. +if she didn't do it, then who would? Nobody... WHAT DOES THE END OF HUMAN HISTORY MEAN? Innocent on all counts.
And those who feel sorry for Josie and so on, do not forget that any revolution is impossible without victims. And I liked her too, but alas.
@that_damn_write: there is no need to heroize Melanie, she has to maintain the life support of the train at least to save her skin, she has a hopeless situation in this sense. "We are all on the same (boat) train"
@that_damn_write: He spoilt the story for me how the film ended and then I would not rush to the account of Melanie, I only hope that the series is different otherwise it's a kick-ass and the film, as I was told, was so-so
It feels like they have somewhere else to live, so they do everything on this train when it reaches them that they will really destroy only themselves with this Revolution, because pogroms and destruction of wagons will begin and goodbye food, air and warmth. Melanie is really the most adequately thinking person on the train who understands this hierarchy. I used to be for equality too, but in this situation, these tailers really got in against all the rules, escaped, and now they are trying to destroy the train. Well, well done. Kill Melanie and everything will go wrong, you have so many engineers on the train who know all her stuffing and details!
@youhospital: Well, fuck this train, then. If the powers that be destroyed the Earth, and now they are building hierarchies on Noah's Ark again, which support them with executions and torture, then fuck humanity, it had a good run. As Snake Plisken said in a similar situation -- "Welcome to the human race."
@youhospital: I agree with you. And the story of the capsules is impressive, the fact that she thinks ahead, realizing that the train will not be saved... And we need to decide which people and which professions are necessary for life after the apocalypse. There would have been no tailors in principle if Mel had thrown everyone overboard🤔 And she could have done it a long time ago...
@youhospital: In order to eliminate a revolutionary situation and ensure the survival of mankind, Melanie could decide to uncouple the tail cars and ensure human conditions for everyone else. Especially if, according to the project, there were not enough resources for shanks. And also to gradually implement reforms to smooth out inequality. Instead, she makes excuses that she didn't come up with the system, so she can't change anything. Although she contradicts herself in this, because she can carry out reforms (adding people from the lower classes to judges, for example), but she carries them out only under pressure.
@seredi: in one of the episodes, the drivers discussed that they could unhook the wagons and transfer them to a siding, they did not specify how to physically do this, but there is no perpetual motion machine, so it is assumed that they have such an opportunity
@youhospital: In real history, revolutionaries rarely think ahead either. The main thing for them is to make a coup, and then everything will somehow resolve itself
When all sorts of commies come with their "cut up all the rich, and take all the good and divide it", you should immediately run away from such proposals. That's right, the hardworking dude said, you have nothing to lose there, but we have a shitty life here. In their case, the damned stability comes first. But this does not negate the fact that the rich are all scoundrels. Sometimes, when you start to sort out the series in your head, it seems like a bit of a Bolshevik propaganda.
Melanie is the only adequate one, and she really doesn't have enough strength for all these tantrums (((sometimes I even want her to be killed and these morons from the third and first grade died a long and starvation death. And I'm also just shocked by people who decided that everything should be equal. The first class paid for the tickets, the third class was taken for free in exchange for their work - so be grateful that you were given a chance. The Khvostovtsy are generally brazen stowaways and instead of thanking them for not being thrown out of the window right away, but being fed somehow, they also arrange riots. This is the meaning of all revolutions, they are satisfied either by the overindulged, or those who believe that everyone owes them everything and should share everything with them. People who are sick in their heads are ready to destroy the only stronghold of life on the planet solely for selfish reasons. If you don't like something, jump out the window right away, what right do you have to harm everyone around because of your desires.
@Barvik: There are 7 billion people on the planet, I don't think only the 1st class is involved in this. But destroying the only stronghold is not the wisest idea.
@Milenka: It is unlikely that most people can inflict damage to the environment on such a scale. The fact that we are being told about personal responsibility from every iron has nothing to do with reality. The first class earned its capital by exploiting people and natural resources. The rest, it seems to me, have nothing much to lose. Revolutions are staged not by "overindulged" people, as you wrote, but by desperate ones.
I don't like what Leighton is turning into, I thought a normal guy, smart, will understand what and how. And he's building a revolution, besides, he's spreading the secret right and left. He'll tell LJ about Wilferd and that's the end of the train.
@cisse_93: So it's not just Leighton who's such a fool. All tailers are fools and bastards. They would just realize that they are consuming resources and doing nothing, and they would all jump off the train together instead of organizing a revolution.
Everyone on this train lives by selfish impulses, in the conditions of the apocalypse it is a destructive force. Leighton is presented as a smart hero, but he has never been able to understand why Melanie is like this - thanks to which he has never been able to live. Like he thinks everything is so easy, he took three Khvostovtsev. Josie just acted unrealistically stupidly, Melanie would not have killed her, but she decided that to kill the main engineer and leave the room? The series is certainly intriguing, but in places like a poorly thought-out detective
Firstly, Josie did not know that Mel was an engineer and all the systems were hanging on her, secondly, Mel did not give Josie a way out, she showed that her man had betrayed her, that it was necessary to choose between Layton and the kid, so the blame here is on Mel. And her admittance was placed between the first class and the third.... so she needs to twist hard to survive.
@iamnotokey: why not relocate? how many people are already in the boxes, how many have died for various reasons, it is quite possible to find some kind of work. And the same rehabilitation, who was supposed to do this initially?
@Barvik: in some episode, Melanie says that the overpopulation of the train, that there are not enough resources, that therefore many of the necessary ones will be placed in the box
Let's put Leighton at the helm, if something remains after their revolution, defeat and bloodshed, and in a month he will turn into Melanie, when he realizes that there are not enough resources for everyone, the train is bursting at the seams, no one wants to work, everyone wants only equality and not to do anything for it. But Leighton is not a fucking brilliant engineer who knows every detail of the train and its system. And then what? How long will they drive there after the first breakdown or when the food starts to run out, they will return to the path of hierarchy only in poorer living conditions... It's kind of sad that the main character was made so one-sided and stubborn by the stowaways. But maybe in the end he will at least understand that everything is not as simple as it seems... Although there is still hope that the guy who was made an engineer will get what's what and he won't help his shanks at the end of the season.
@Anlyness: this is the unusual thing about the series, kmk, that the oppressed are not shown by cute girls, as is usually the case. Another question is that everyone in the series is a bit disgusting, no one even wants to empathize.
I'm very impressed with Melanie, and her driver is also decent)) the doctor who looks after the morgue, the Asian woman who cooks sushi, all are quite decent. As far as I remember, in the film Tilda's heroine is just so disgusting that you cheer for Captain America willy-nilly, but here, on the contrary, Melanie is humanely shown, that is, her character was given a lot of attention when working out, the moment when she changes her uniform into simple clothes, for example. And at the same time, Leighton, who either understood everything, or didn't understand anything, just walks around and runs over everyone like a gopnik, fucks his ex, then immediately the current one in a couple of days, I don't even know..
@Anlyness: No, I really liked her at the moment you're talking about. But in general, she is also not an unconditionally positive character. But I agree, so far she is more pleasant than others, and the driver, hopefully, will not do anything)
@Captain_Icicle: The point is that Melanie is a deep multifaceted character, neither positive nor negative, like all people in real life, so it's interesting to watch her. Almost the only one of them)
The fact is that the loss of the cowshed is her miscalculation, all these murders are her miscalculation, because she allowed this whole shaken system... and she needs a tail just to scare everyone on the train with it, such a scarecrow... and Leighton can be understood, Melanie destroys everything that is dear to him, and he doesn't care what she does it for, in his opinion, all this could have been avoided, so he will spoil her blood. Imho
It is very logical to torture a loved one, a person who knows the most "terrible" secret of the train and can tell it. Indeed, why not give him even more reasons to hate and expose the secret. I'm certainly not an evil genius, but there are tortures that leave no trace.😳🤔 I understand that Melanie didn't want to kill her, but now she will definitely become a martyr for the tail and the 3rd grade. 🤷🏻♀️
The episode in the infirmary with masks seemed so relevant. Even a thought flashed through - the series, by chance, was no longer filmed after the outbreak of the pandemic... I thought that all the characters would be forced to put on masks and gloves there, but no, it got through.
The 7th episode has already been watched, but I still can't decide which side is more sympathetic to me. And those can be understood and these. And Melanie took everything on herself, both the mechanic and the executioner. Her team is just missing. Well, she can't do it alone, in this series they showed it very well.
The desire of the shanks to improve their lives is understandable, the actions of Melanie are not clear, who could well somehow organize some kind of fourth grade, into which the shanks could move and arrange competition for them - they will immediately forget about the revolution! and then they don't actually do shit, so they're brawling
@Gordey: they don't do shit, their conditions are bestial. The problem is that the train was simply not designed for an additional 400 people, everyone may stupidly lack resources if they are accepted as another class. And they behave as if this is a purely ethical issue.
@ninath: That's what the conversation is about! It would be necessary to keep them busy so that they could work out the passage somehow! When a person is busy with business, he is not up to revolutions
I still don't fully understand what the fellow revolutionaries want, but nevertheless, I don't really understand Melanie's motivation either. Earlier it was said that 80% of the train is third class + tail. In the second grade, too, as shown, not everyone is particularly happy about what is happening. And, in fact, it must be understood that the rich not only paid for the train, but also arranged the permafrost. In this regard, it seems very strange that they all behave so excessively. I understand that this is a classic of the genre and the rich are completely evil, but once again I am amazed at why it is necessary to rush from extreme to extreme. Or they have rich people who eat all sorts of delicacies every day and complain about the lack of some kind of eel there, although they could squeeze their asses a little and, through an act of mercy, show the third that they also treat them well in order to appease the latter. Or we have some kind of communism where everything is yours - ours. Your common goal is to survive and preferably, in the process of survival, not to interrupt each other. Maybe then it is necessary to reduce the degree of cash inequality a little in order to avoid conflict?
With each episode, it occurs to me that only these three machinists know the truth about Wilford, and I think there were some disagreements with him where they had to remove him. In general, I think it is frozen somewhere in the freezer, where it may appear soon. And yes, I came across such a thing, read about the series on Wikipedia and saw that Sean Bean is listed in season 2))) Maybe this is Mr. Wilford?))
According to the logic of the plot, the viewer should support the fighters for justice and revolutionaries from the tail and 3rd grade in every possible way, sympathize with Leighton, Josie and their gang and negatively relate to class inequality and the terrible secret about Mr. W - in the end, in a strange way, the opposite effect turned out and in this story I personally root for Melanie. At the moment, she is the most adequate, rational and sane character, whom you empathize with and live through all the difficulties with her, understanding the logic of her actions, the motivation of the character and why she makes all these difficult decisions. Leighton, who seemed like a pretty smart guy in the first episodes, who was just unlucky enough to be in the tail, seemed to freeze all the remnants of his brain in that refrigerator and now causes only negative behavior. The story of Josie's transformation into a martyr and victim of the revolution is just facepalm: I don't think Melanie would have killed her if she had behaved at least a little more adequately... Of course, residents of the 1st class are also not white and fluffy and quite often cause negativity, but this is their rightful place in the established hierarchy, which they imagine bought it: this is capitalism in its purest form. And if the shanks had swapped places with the rich, they would hardly have agreed to give their resources, food and space to other people for nothing, to the detriment of themselves and their interests - that's how human nature works... It's interesting and exciting to watch, so I'm rooting for Melanie and looking forward to what happens next :)
@Dreamique: Leighton and Josie got tired of this kind of life, if you can call it that, so they decided it was better to die trying to change something. They don't care that the 1st grade place is rightfully his. Just like the 1st class doesn't care about the conditions of existence of the lower classes. So the actions of the shanks, in particular Leighton, are quite logical. Well, after freezing and defrosting, he had no choice left, except for the option of suicide.
@Igor_A: The actions of the shanks would be logical and justified if they had a clear plan, where it is described point by point how they will act. Plus, they need at least some means of struggle, including weapons and protection. And setting people up to rebel against the system and sending them unarmed to almost certain death in the name of an idea, against armed soldiers, is irresponsible for a person who considers himself a leader. Human life is the highest value, especially in the conditions of the Apocalypse, when there are very few people left on the planet, and if Leighton does not understand this, the leader of the uprising is so-so...
@Dreamique: Since you understand Melanie, please explain the logic, why did she not turn off the first class, along with the rest, during avalanches? Why did she "pardon" a sociopath who killed people? and why she put Leighton in a drawer as a "thank you."
@Barvik: Melanie's goal is the survival of mankind, for this stability and order in the train and the usual functioning of an established system are important. In order to maintain balance, she has to make difficult and sometimes morally unacceptable decisions. She often goes against her own principles and her conscience, as in the case of LJ's pardon -I don't think Melanie herself is happy about this and that such situations bring her pleasure and a sense of justice, but since she keeps a secret about Mr. Wilford, she has to act the way rich people think he would act. Turn off first class - make the elite doubt that everything is under control on the train, put LJ in jail - give the Folgers a reason to turn the rich against Wilford and start their revolution to change power, let Leighton go back to the tail as if nothing had happened - the threat that very soon everyone will find out that The train is not operated by Wilford, which will lead to unrest and rebellion in the rear and 3rd class and an attempt to take control of the train by 1st class passengers. I'm not saying that I support all of Melanie's actions and decisions, but in terms of common sense and logic, I can understand her and her motivation.
That's what blackmail does to people (and if it's still a pregnant woman who is worried about the unborn child), But somehow I can't believe that they will give her birth and leave the child.
But after Melanie's temper, Ruth is likely to switch sides ;) Well. We are waiting for you.
@LapisLazure: such a banal move, of course with Ruth. Like, once you were told to figure it out for yourself, of course, this is an excuse to go back and make friends with a guy who tried to manipulate you at all.
@Maximgrechany: in seven years of working together, you could study the reactions of the person you work with and just wait for Mel to calm down, especially since it happened in five seconds.
Очень сложно говорить, какая сторона симпатизирует больше, чтобы никто не осуждал. Однако на 100% могу сказать, что за Мелани болеть не всегда хочется, хоть она и вызвала в этой серии небольшое сочувствие. Всё равно будет интересно посмотреть, что получится у хвастовиков с революцией, после того, что случилось с Джози. И да, если бы мне не нравилась логика сериала, тогда бы не хотелось поддерживать хвостовиков.
Хочу посмотреть как они выкинут с поезда Мелани, зайдут в первый вагон и а**еют с латиноса который сидит за креслом управления и перспективы самим организовывать работу всех процессов поезда и его ремонт не имея ни малейшего понятия о принципах его работы...
Я вообще не понимаю чего хотят люди , типо понятно почему есть 1,2,3 класс , а хвост который практически не работает живут как нахлебники , хотя по сути локомотив им ничего не должен . Мелани могла бы их просто выкинуть но она этого не сделала. Понятно хочется более человеческих условий но простите за что боролись на то и напоролись. С хвоста или с 3 класса никто не жертвовал 400 миллионов , понятное деньги уже ничего не значат но и без этих денег не было бы поезда( не согласна с тем что первый класс должен жить на столько широкую ногу ,работать должны все что бы была система ) но они всеми этими действиями просто все рушат Мелани хочет порядка ( понятное дело поезд движется с бешеной скоростью мороз так ещё Группа бунтующих , которые не смогли бы управлять этим поездом ) если бы хвост работал не важно кем , там многие умеют хоть что-то делать) поэтому просто первый класс немного нужно попустить а хвост заставить работать и поселить в человеческие условия и всеее ( это же все что осталось от человечества ...
Удивительно, но Теренс единственный реально здравый смысл всей этой серии, который понял всю абсурдность замысла Лейтона. Только 7 серия первого сезона, а Лейтон уже бесит нереально. По сути, Джози косвенно погибла из-за него же самого. Если бы он не метался между двумя бабами, Зара бы не забеременела и повода шантажировать её не было, от чего она бы не сдала Джози. В этой ситуации жалко только лишь саму Джози, погибла ради человека, который её не заслуживал. Мелани настолько неоднозначный персонаж, что каждый раз не знаешь что думать и чувствовать от её поступков. Однако подумав, понимаешь, что выбора особо то у неё и не было, она всегда делала то, чтобы спасти всех и нельзя назвать её той ещё антогонисткой, ведь ей не раз предлагали отцепить хвост, но даже почти и не задумывается об этом. Её манеры, умение вести дела в такой тяжелой ситуации, её ум не могут не заставить восхищаться ей. Все больше прихожу к выводу, что сериал сейчас смотрю только из-за неё.
The train won't feed that much.
And now we know that W was once real.
Well, I mean, I'm not saying it's right, but it's not unrealistic either.
And those who feel sorry for Josie and so on, do not forget that any revolution is impossible without victims. And I liked her too, but alas.
Leighton is presented as a smart hero, but he has never been able to understand why Melanie is like this - thanks to which he has never been able to live. Like he thinks everything is so easy, he took three Khvostovtsev.
Josie just acted unrealistically stupidly, Melanie would not have killed her, but she decided that to kill the main engineer and leave the room?
The series is certainly intriguing, but in places like a poorly thought-out detective
I understand that Melanie didn't want to kill her, but now she will definitely become a martyr for the tail and the 3rd grade. 🤷🏻♀️
And Melanie took everything on herself, both the mechanic and the executioner. Her team is just missing.
Well, she can't do it alone, in this series they showed it very well.
Or they have rich people who eat all sorts of delicacies every day and complain about the lack of some kind of eel there, although they could squeeze their asses a little and, through an act of mercy, show the third that they also treat them well in order to appease the latter.
Or we have some kind of communism where everything is yours - ours.
Your common goal is to survive and preferably, in the process of survival, not to interrupt each other. Maybe then it is necessary to reduce the degree of cash inequality a little in order to avoid conflict?
Of course, residents of the 1st class are also not white and fluffy and quite often cause negativity, but this is their rightful place in the established hierarchy, which they imagine bought it: this is capitalism in its purest form. And if the shanks had swapped places with the rich, they would hardly have agreed to give their resources, food and space to other people for nothing, to the detriment of themselves and their interests - that's how human nature works...
It's interesting and exciting to watch, so I'm rooting for Melanie and looking forward to what happens next :)
I'm not saying that I support all of Melanie's actions and decisions, but in terms of common sense and logic, I can understand her and her motivation.
But after Melanie's temper, Ruth is likely to switch sides ;)
Well. We are waiting for you.
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