In this situation, only Connell's mother is the most adequate here. I don't see any obvious reason to hide the affair at school. Marianne doesn't act like a weirdo, and for a hermit at school, she's too cute to be ashamed of. She doesn't give a damn about her reputation and the stupid friends of the chosen one. So what is the conflict, why is it so inflated?
Just at school, she has a reputation for being an oddball, Connell's friends tease her ("flat", "you're going to show striptease in the toilet again"), and until the night at the club, no one took her seriously, and at the club only Karen defended her at first.
I wonder if Connell is so duplicitous or just stupid? And mom did a great job: she did not side with her son, as many parents do, regardless of whether their child is right or not. We need to teach him to be smart!
@k1ryusha: I think he's not stupid. After all, when his mother asked him if Mary Ann would not be invited and she would not come to the prom, Connell replied, well, so what? And until she came to the party, he did not realize his betrayal. He doesn't have the guts for a possible confrontation at all. Only in the end did he realize that he had made a fool of himself when he found out that the whole class was already aware of his relationship with Mary Ann and he had absolutely nothing to lose.
He's just a teenager, despite being played by an older actor. He is afraid of the condemnation of society, afraid that his friends will laugh at him for choosing some kind of eccentric instead of a popular girl.
@k1ryusha: They are probably only 18 years old at the time of graduation. School principals don't particularly swear at smoking high school students here
Connell is such an asshole, he can't even think of apologizing for his attitude towards Marianne in public. At the same time, I do not believe that he realizes that he is wrong, then what is the problem
@Utkonosik: Marianne, out of feelings for him, convinces him that she is unworthy of him. All this masochism is questions about Rachel...wasn't he dating her, Marianne, just for sex, didn't he think, like his friends, that she was a flat-chested freak... So whoever wants to doubt, will make sure that he is doing the right thing by hiding. When you're 16-17... not everyone has the balls to live their life, and not imposed by society
What a cool mom Connell has🥰just the best and most pleasant character) And I also don't understand what he's ashamed of🤦🏼♀️ A beautiful and smart girl,very strange
God, I know it's about teenagers, but this is such a sucking problem out of your finger, drama for drama's sake...The series definitely catches the atmosphere and sensuality, but otherwise...Oh, I've outgrown such a movie, it seems) But at the age of 16 I would have been drowning in tears and resentment for Marianne)
I remember myself as a teenager, because there was drama on drama. And now I look at this couple and remember all my experiences, which now seem like a trifle. For this, and thanks to the creators of the current thirty-year-olds who convey that atmosphere.
@summergirl-n: plus, I recognize myself in every frame and that time of wild self-doubt, hiding my infatuations, fear of what people will think ... the commentators were obviously born right away)
Oh my God, the series is very good, but at the same time there are conflicting feelings. All this secrecy is very annoying, because because of this secrecy, they have all this shit going on. Why is it so hard to admit that they are dating and be in public?! Connell is of course an asshole, why does he continue to be friends with this company of "friends" because they are such scum. And is it really that hard to protect a girl you like?! He only hurts her by standing on the sidelines, well, let them joke about her, etc. They're my "friends." (I can write everything a little differently than I wanted, just the feelings after watching, I was very angry at him the whole series). Connell's mother is such a bunny, the best woman, she is so good and with the right attitude. And so it is clear that they have feelings for each other. And I hope Connell drops this bunch.
It's a shame for Marianne because of the whole Connell situation and how everyone reacted to her when she put on a beautiful dress and laughed together when another guy started hitting on her. Teenagers are so mean.
Um, why the hell did Connell apologize to Rachel? this idiot, after their mutual friend harassed Marianne, approached a crying, scared girl and said, they say, relax, he was just joking, we laughed when you left. I wonder if she would have had as much fun if someone had grabbed her breasts in public in the same way? A filthy man. Connell's behavior in this situation remains a mystery to me: I understand that he does not want to advertise his relationship with Marianne (although I agree with the commentators above that, on the contrary, he should be proud of a relationship with such a girl), but at what point did it become shameful to protect his classmate from devaluing the fact of harassment and bullying from And, yes, Connell's mom is just a sweetheart, a wonderful, fair parent! (did you notice the tattoo of his name on her wrist? I mean 💔💔💔). At least someone put him in his place for his disgusting behavior with Marianne. and it's good that she openly supported the main character: unfortunately, no one in her family cares about her problems.
@Brooke_Harper: I think it was possible to invite Rachel to the prom without apologies, she was obviously just waiting for this. as it was, with his apologies, he devalued Marianne's feelings and tacitly sided with Rachel, although she behaved toxically.
I actually don't understand what the point is? what is the problem? Marianne is beautiful, smart. And as you can see, they don't treat her so badly. It's not that they're ashamed of her, they just don't understand her... so they attack in response to her attacks. There are NO adequate reasons to hide the relationship. And I didn't get it. What's going on here? And how did I get here?
It's a shame and it hurts so much... but I don't even want to cry because of the absurdity of this situation
She is bullied at school, no one wants to communicate with her, they consider her strange. That's why Connor is so eager to show up in public with her.
* confesses his love* * invites another girl to the prom* I read a book before watching it, and even then I did not understand this logic. Yes, teenagers. Yes, I care about the opinion of others. Yes, there is a difference in the social status of the characters. But all these points are not shown as really serious problems. It seems to me that the characters could quite easily meet and not be shy about their feelings.
It's so weird and funny at the same time to see Marianne's insecurities at the same age. Now (I am 25), it seems that it is impossible not to love yourself, not to believe, to succumb to other people's insults, but then it was exactly the same.
I just didn't think the series would hit the heart of it! I'm 30 and remembering my 18, I understand that such assholes as Conell's friends and he himself only make us stronger (tested on our own experience))) To be smart, to defend your position, to be sensitive is not a shame! It's a shame to be as stubborn as Connell. I hope Marianne never forgives him in the end. He didn't deserve it.
@konstantanas: the girl is also a fire - she constantly asks about Rachel, and says that she is beautiful, etc. she is strange, this is a fact. It's all about self-doubt.
I don't share the general resentment about what an asshole Connell is. Well, I mean, yes, it is. But the series is not trying to sort of make a Hollywood romcom out of itself. We are not shown such a relationship format as "correct" or "exemplary", and the characters are not served by ideal role models. We are just being shown how a relationship between two real teenagers could develop. She is an intelligent girl from a wealthy family who cannot find a common language with her peers. He is a simple—minded kid with the emotional intelligence of a potato, the son of a cleaner in her house. The environment at school is full of malicious children who have not had any experience in life yet, and they understand about nothing at all. He did something ugly, but he didn't realize it until the last moment, even when his mother told him in plain text that he was an idiot. This does not make him a scumbag, it shows us that he is stupid and does not understand his own feelings, let alone Marianne's feelings. Perhaps this is his first love affair at all, and he just doesn't know what to do about it. It's the same with Marianne — because of resentment, she can't understand that communication can solve at least half of the problems. In my opinion, the situation is fairly honestly shown. The guy behaves like a brute and as a result feels like a brute. Everything is in its place.
@CasComplex: That's right! By the way, I do not share my enthusiasm about Connell's mother - a person who is so emotionally frozen has not grown up from scratch, who does not know what he feels, what he wants, never expresses his own opinion, is afraid of any condemnation. Football is his only outlet. He's not a scumbag or mentally handicapped, on the contrary, he's too smart. He has a wild internal conflict, from which he physically falls into a stupor. I don't know what the mother did, a tattoo with her son's name as a flag, perhaps resentment against men, she gave birth to the best man herself, quite a classic. But what Marianne supported is respect, even though she gave her son the right guideline here, finally he felt exactly what he feels, such an ice break.
Maybe I missed something, but wasn't it Marianne who insisted on hiding the relationship? And in general, she behaved as if she didn't give a damn about Conell and only needed sex when he confessed his love to her and hinted in every possible way that he wanted more. The same question about college. So at least they both don't see each other's feelings the same way.
@LeChevalChauv: but she just doesn't know how to build relationships with people, and tries to keep him close to her at least in this way. he sees that he doesn't really want to show it to his friends, and against this background he thinks out how he can
@Top-top-topka: yes, it's just outraged that everyone writes negative comments about Connell when she is no less to blame for what is happening, and he is the same teenager with psychological problems who does not know how to build a dialogue and also thinks out what she is hiding from him.
I am impressed by this message - hide, do not hide, you are not in a vacuum and Connell's friends found out everything, it's a pity his friend did not ask directly in the end, but in an attempt to take on a rude show-off (
— What is your agreement? Do you talk to her at school? When friends are around, do you treat her well? — I don't think it matters to her at all. — What are you afraid of? What will people think when they find out that you like her? I think you're a disgrace. And I'm ashamed of you. — Mom. Where are you going? — I'll take the bus home. If I stay in the car, I'll say something I'll regret.
It hurts my heart. I think everyone is writing negative comments in vain, because the adolescent fragile psyche is still a difficult thing. I partially see myself in both characters and feel all the nostalgia, pain and wonderful feelings at the same time
Connell's mother is simply the best! the way she treats him in general, not judgmentally, more like a friend, and the way she treats the guys in this situation indicates that he is wrong, and Marianne supports
I like this story (both in the book and in the series) the fact that the characters are not walking cliches, that she is not a typical nerd, and he is not a typical athlete, that they do not have a beautiful love story, but their own difficulties, misunderstandings, resentments, etc., as if everything always goes well in life! I'm just a little confused that they haven't added a complete picture of their characters yet, I hope this will be corrected in the next series
God, how Marianne's questions about his exes hurt me, especially in such intimate moments when he belongs only to her *((( And that's what it is - jealousy? Uncertainty? Doubts? Or the trauma after an unhappy parent relationship?... Connell's mom is just a global woman, here she is - female solidarity!
I took a liking to Connell, no matter what. He's actually a good, kind guy who made a mistake and was cowardly where he should have been more confident.
But he does not pull for the title of "asshole" in general, judging by his other actions. Here are his friends, yes, there is a lot of wisdom there. And he, as his mother said, acted meanly. And I would add cowardly. But the potential for a good person, as I see it, prevails in him.
At a party, an ordinary wrench would be much more useful than Connell. Not a guy, but some kind of tree. Won't stand up for a girl in such a situation... hidden relationships can still be understood somehow, but what's the point of inviting another girl to the ball? It's already the third episode, and I'm completely sure that they don't have love/feelings for each other, but just sex and nothing more.
I think it is very difficult for people who have not read the work to watch the series, because no matter how hard the film crew tries, it is very difficult to convey what is described in the book, but their feelings and what was going on in both their heads are described there. Connell has no excuses, but in the book he doesn't seem like such an asshole.
In this evening dress and with this hairstyle, Maryann looks like Sofia Boutella. At the exam, everyone was in school uniform, one was in a bright yellow blouse, it was very noticeable in the general plan. Conell's mom is beautiful.
Lorraine is a wonderful woman, and I was very pleased with her view of events. Connell acted like an asshole and is paying the price for his actions. It serves him right. He will begin to appreciate Marianne.
Oops. I thought they were hiding the relationship because Marianne wants to, but it turns out because Connell is afraid. But how did she get along with him in principle in this situation. It's so humiliating.
@Gelievna: At the very beginning, she thought that she really didn't care and it didn't matter. This changed gradually. It seems to me that the mistake on her part is that, due to teenage unconsciousness, she failed to track down the moment in time when she began to be offended by this and discuss it. Even in the "breakup" scene with Connell, when she asks him to leave, she says that she doesn't care, whereas this has not been the case for a long time. Well, as we can see, Connell does not have such a high emotional intelligence to guess it himself.
Three episodes have been watched. Impression: well, why was it filmed? I, of course, have not been at school age for a long time, but there is a certain gentle feeling for teenage and youth TV series. However, only one thing arose to this - bewilderment. It is frankly unexpected to see such a thing performed by beloved Britons. In general, I do not share the local enthusiasm, I do not understand where such a rating comes from.
I just finished reading a book and decided to watch the series right away with a fresh head. Marianne is just like in the book, that's about how I imagined her. quite a difficult story from her point of view, several times when reading I even let out a tear, for some reason it was just a pity, Connell is not quite clear to me as a result, he keeps a lot of things in his head, some unsaid and secrets.
A great series, very realistic situations, I think many have had similar ones in their lives. Connell is shown as a fairly ordinary teenager who does not yet understand what he wants, mentions of this constantly slip through, respectively, for the first time in his life he faced a difficult situation from which he does not yet see a way out. Many of us are already 30 and we already know from the height of experience how to behave in such a story, but a 16-17 year old guy is unlikely. So don't judge him, he's just learning to live, he's not nasty, he's just confused. Of course, not everyone grows up to be adequate men, but that's a completely different story.
I want to show a little bit of the causal relationships from the book, but this is not in defense of Connally, but just to understand his behavior. We were not shown a conversation between mom and Connall, where she thought that they were hiding a relationship because of Marianne, that she was rich and he was not her level. And Connal's situation with his father was not touched upon, this topic is forbidden, and his mother does not talk about his father, but wonders where his son's craving for secrecy comes from. And it seems to me that Connal is not shy in front of Marianne's friends, but that they will see his infatuation. And also his stupid decision was partly influenced by the fact that he confessed his love to Marianne, and she did not say anything in response. As we wrote above, Connal's emotional intelligence is at a low level, and he is not able to understand Marianne's feelings, but perceives as the truth exactly what she translates externally. Like, "I don't love you, I like sleeping with you," "I don't care if you sleep with others," "I don't care at all." All this is stupid and wrong, but it is very clear to people who have similar psychological defenses, for which there were reasons. Therefore, it seems to me that this series should be watched without the desire to evaluate the behavior of the characters, but as an observer and just empathize with them, well, or not empathize
Thanks to Connell's mother for the appropriate position. I was very pleased with the scene where she hugged Marianne. It seems that no one else treated the girl well. Well, the heroes are teenagers. Illogical actions, dependence on other people's opinions (especially at school). So the situation looks quite realistic.
I don't share my enthusiasm for Lorraine at all. I agree with her, but personally I was very alarmed by the form of expression of her disagreement. If you correlate each person's act with their role in relationships and society, then as a parent and, in theory, a mature adult, Lorraine acted the least adequately. She shouldn't have agreed with her son if she really didn't feel that way, but she shouldn't have said words like "I'm ashamed of you" or "you're a disgrace." Rushing out with loud words and then leaving after slamming the door is just more like the behavior of a child who could not cope with his emotions. Again, when she left, she said that she was leaving so as not to say something she would regret. Does she regret the words "you're a disgrace"?
Also, there is a feeling that the emotionality of Lorraine's reaction does not correspond to the level of her involvement in Marianne and Connell's relationship, and indeed in a relationship with each of them separately. There is still a difference between saying "fuck, son, you acted like an asshole" and "you're a disgrace, I'm ashamed of you"
I think it's more about the different parenting mentality for us, for me, sometimes it's wildly strange to watch how teenagers communicate with their parents, whether it's an American, British TV series, like all kinds of insults, this is the norm on both sides
Maybe there's something I don't understand about the school hierarchy.. but why would they suddenly have problems at school because of a relationship? Connell is such a coward. The fact that the girl he likes is teased by the whole environment is normal. The fact that they will tease together is a problem and we need to keep everything a secret. It doesn't look like he has so much in common with his friends that he's so afraid of losing them, it's already the end of the school year anyway and everyone will go to universities. In short, Connell is acting like a dumb asshole, his mother is right. And Marianne does not understand at all what a normal attitude is, out of desperation that she will not be accepted, once seduce a guy (she is a virgin and immediately offers to undress after the first kiss? Is she afraid that otherwise Connell wouldn't have continued to communicate with her?). In short, the girl's self-esteem is at zero. It doesn't offend, so it treats you well, and thanks for that. The consequence of toxic relationships in the family is well shown. In general, it is noticeable that Connell, apparently, grew up without a father and does not understand what a normal attitude towards a woman is, Marianne is in a family with an abuser and also did not see a normal behavior model. I am surprised that they have such a healthy sexual relationship at the same time - consent, pronouncing actions.
The film tells about a young girl who, because of her inner shyness, outwardly expresses herself as harmful and self-confident, not caring what impression she makes on the people around her, and a young man who accepts her as she personally appears to him, because she likes him very much.
He cried so much at the end of the episode.… He's just a young fool. Yes, everyone is scolding him in the comments, I understand and agree. But this call… Connell is not hopeless, I think.
The series teleport into the past, I keep repeating, I hope it will continue to show why Conal has such problems with confidence and understanding of his feelings (although the fact that he confessed that he loves Marianne is already great), as well as what happens in Marianne's family: with her brother, mother, where such hatred for the girl comes from
The casting is a bit confusing. Gg's mother looks like his younger sister, as the actress is youthful (perhaps a young mother in the plot, this is OK), but the actor himself looks like a teenager's father in age, which is emphasized in the scenes with the "mother".
I ran to write a comment that I really like the direction here, but the director turns out to be LENNY ABRAHAMSON! (Room, Frank, wonderful "breathing" movies, I recommend)
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132And I also don't understand what he's ashamed of🤦🏼♀️
A beautiful and smart girl,very strange
All this secrecy is very annoying, because because of this secrecy, they have all this shit going on. Why is it so hard to admit that they are dating and be in public?! Connell is of course an asshole, why does he continue to be friends with this company of "friends" because they are such scum. And is it really that hard to protect a girl you like?! He only hurts her by standing on the sidelines, well, let them joke about her, etc. They're my "friends." (I can write everything a little differently than I wanted, just the feelings after watching, I was very angry at him the whole series).
Connell's mother is such a bunny, the best woman, she is so good and with the right attitude.
And so it is clear that they have feelings for each other. And I hope Connell drops this bunch.
Connell's behavior in this situation remains a mystery to me: I understand that he does not want to advertise his relationship with Marianne (although I agree with the commentators above that, on the contrary, he should be proud of a relationship with such a girl), but at what point did it become shameful to protect his classmate from devaluing the fact of harassment and bullying from
And, yes, Connell's mom is just a sweetheart, a wonderful, fair parent! (did you notice the tattoo of his name on her wrist? I mean 💔💔💔). At least someone put him in his place for his disgusting behavior with Marianne. and it's good that she openly supported the main character: unfortunately, no one in her family cares about her problems.
Marianne is beautiful, smart. And as you can see, they don't treat her so badly. It's not that they're ashamed of her, they just don't understand her... so they attack in response to her attacks.
There are NO adequate reasons to hide the relationship. And I didn't get it. What's going on here? And how did I get here?
It's a shame and it hurts so much... but I don't even want to cry because of the absurdity of this situation
Finally, someone put him in his place.
* invites another girl to the prom*
I read a book before watching it, and even then I did not understand this logic. Yes, teenagers. Yes, I care about the opinion of others. Yes, there is a difference in the social status of the characters. But all these points are not shown as really serious problems. It seems to me that the characters could quite easily meet and not be shy about their feelings.
But the actor plays at a level.
Now (I am 25), it seems that it is impossible not to love yourself, not to believe, to succumb to other people's insults, but then it was exactly the same.
God, I understand all his crazy problems, but to behave like this to his girlfriend...
Well, I mean, yes, it is. But the series is not trying to sort of make a Hollywood romcom out of itself. We are not shown such a relationship format as "correct" or "exemplary", and the characters are not served by ideal role models.
We are just being shown how a relationship between two real teenagers could develop. She is an intelligent girl from a wealthy family who cannot find a common language with her peers. He is a simple—minded kid with the emotional intelligence of a potato, the son of a cleaner in her house. The environment at school is full of malicious children who have not had any experience in life yet, and they understand about nothing at all. He did something ugly, but he didn't realize it until the last moment, even when his mother told him in plain text that he was an idiot. This does not make him a scumbag, it shows us that he is stupid and does not understand his own feelings, let alone Marianne's feelings. Perhaps this is his first love affair at all, and he just doesn't know what to do about it. It's the same with Marianne — because of resentment, she can't understand that communication can solve at least half of the problems.
In my opinion, the situation is fairly honestly shown. The guy behaves like a brute and as a result feels like a brute. Everything is in its place.
— I don't think it matters to her at all.
— What are you afraid of? What will people think when they find out that you like her? I think you're a disgrace. And I'm ashamed of you.
— Mom. Where are you going?
— I'll take the bus home. If I stay in the car, I'll say something I'll regret.
- yes.
— That's right. He doesn't deserve you.
And that's what it is - jealousy? Uncertainty? Doubts? Or the trauma after an unhappy parent relationship?...
Connell's mom is just a global woman, here she is - female solidarity!
But he does not pull for the title of "asshole" in general, judging by his other actions. Here are his friends, yes, there is a lot of wisdom there. And he, as his mother said, acted meanly. And I would add cowardly. But the potential for a good person, as I see it, prevails in him.
hidden relationships can still be understood somehow, but what's the point of inviting another girl to the ball? It's already the third episode, and I'm completely sure that they don't have love/feelings for each other, but just sex and nothing more.
Connell acted like an asshole and is paying the price for his actions. It serves him right. He will begin to appreciate Marianne.
I, of course, have not been at school age for a long time, but there is a certain gentle feeling for teenage and youth TV series. However, only one thing arose to this - bewilderment. It is frankly unexpected to see such a thing performed by beloved Britons.
In general, I do not share the local enthusiasm, I do not understand where such a rating comes from.
Well, the heroes are teenagers. Illogical actions, dependence on other people's opinions (especially at school). So the situation looks quite realistic.
She shouldn't have agreed with her son if she really didn't feel that way, but she shouldn't have said words like "I'm ashamed of you" or "you're a disgrace." Rushing out with loud words and then leaving after slamming the door is just more like the behavior of a child who could not cope with his emotions. Again, when she left, she said that she was leaving so as not to say something she would regret. Does she regret the words "you're a disgrace"?
Also, there is a feeling that the emotionality of Lorraine's reaction does not correspond to the level of her involvement in Marianne and Connell's relationship, and indeed in a relationship with each of them separately. There is still a difference between saying "fuck, son, you acted like an asshole" and "you're a disgrace, I'm ashamed of you"
If I'm so special, why am I secret?
Yeah, why the fuck is that?"
Должно быть саундтреком сериала.
And his mother is a wonderful woman