s03e05 — Leben und Tod

Dark — s03e05 — Leben und Tod

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ia_gol
ia_gol
27 Jun 2020, 18:22 #
The indicator of deaths for a series is off the scale, And Katarina's fate is generally a separate story for tears, her mother's words that she is not worthy of this name are so terrible in general, she would know who that "Katarina" is and what she did, maybe, of course, we do not know, but that she was a lover two men, that says a lot...
Sheeva
Sheeva
27 Jun 2020, 23:33 #
@ia_gol: It's interesting that the actress playing Helena Albers is called Katarina too :)
Gideon666
Gideon666
08 Jul 2020, 00:57 #
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id186761557
id186761557
07 Sep 2020, 22:52 #
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LiliyaLeto
LiliyaLeto
PRO
20 Nov 2020, 21:10 #
No, she was talking about the name. After all, she named her after a woman named Katarina, who left her a pendant with St. Christopher, and who decided not to kill her child.
Elin-kas
Elin-kas
08 Dec 2020, 03:04 #
@LiliyaLeto: and which was Hannah
Roman1ch
Roman1ch
27 Jun 2020, 18:37 #
One Big Vicious Circle
series finale is another mindblow
andi
andi
27 Jun 2020, 18:55 #
Adam killed Eve, Eve killed Adam, everything is fair) at the same time, it is clear why the other Jonas does not remember about it. I wonder at what point the Jonas separated.

I feel sorry for him, only he began to understand something about you...

I understand that if they really change something, then there will be only one world anyway. And Jonas won't be born in it, and neither will the others... At what point should they all stop?.. to make everyone happy
K2isOn
K2isOn
27 Jun 2020, 20:55 #
It's unclear why the other Jonas doesn't remember this, because it doesn't become clear at all who the average Jonas is if he was killed as a teenager?!
LissLiss
LissLiss
28 Jun 2020, 03:27 #
@K2isOn: most likely there are 2 of them
Kutensky
Kutensky
02 Jul 2020, 03:17 #
Most likely there were 3 worlds: the original world without Jonas, the second world with Jonas who became Adam, the third world with Jonas, whom Hannah took to her first world.
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
03 Jul 2020, 02:11 #
Hannah didn't take anyone anywhere)
Madi-na
Madi-na
08 Jul 2020, 04:07 #
Just at the moment when Marta from the mirror world took the teenager Jonas at the same time in the same place, the adult Jonas from the future took his friends in 1888. Something like that 🤔
Faxxy
Faxxy
09 Jul 2020, 04:11 #
@K2isOn: At the end of the episode, Jonas was surrounded by four Marts, which means there are more than three Jonas. Adam, the middle one, the murdered one and the one who hasn't been shown to us yet. Probably so...
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 15:35 #
There are already more than three Jonas
The fourth is the very first of the first seasons, which does not understand anything about moving at all yet
He correlates with Martha, who mourned the murdered Jonos
And the murdered Jonos correlates with Martha, who killed him
How the middle and old Jonas survived is still an open question🤯
fs_ann
fs_ann
21 Apr 2022, 13:24 #
@Faxxy: so it was Martha from Eve's world, where no one has killed her yet (actually, we conclude that she could have lived on until old age). But Jonas existed only in Adam's world, and now he's been killed. I really don't understand where the average Jonas and the scary Adam came from then. Is there another world?
rey619
rey619
PRO
23 Oct 2023, 05:45 #
@fs_ann: That's how Jonas doubled himself when he moved to the lake in season 2. It turns out that the Jonas who remains in Adam's world will grow into the Average Jonas.
Iamliam23
Iamliam23
15 May 2024, 10:27 #
@anni713: But I didn't understand why March 4? There should be 3 of them with a difference of 33 years.
Jonas from the same world should also be 3.
Inverurie
Inverurie
11 Jul 2020, 22:32 #
"I feel sorry for him, he just started to understand something about you..."
This is about me and every episode of Dark x)
iddi_pop
iddi_pop
20 Jul 2020, 12:36 #
💯 same theme 😆
Lava_recommends
Lava_recommends
PRO
06 May 2021, 00:13 #
Yeah, you're just starting to understand that you're starting to understand, and then by the end of the episode, hop and it's like you don't understand a damn thing again. A cool puzzle, of course. in each episode, there is a piece of understanding and misunderstanding at the same time.
MasterGeo
MasterGeo
23 Jul 2020, 00:15 #
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Estelle69
Estelle69
27 Jun 2020, 19:26 #
Oh, and Katarina's mother, she didn't give life to her as a child, and in the end she killed her altogether. I feel sorry for her, she's been through a lot.. the moment with Ulrich waiting for her under the clock is generally tearful.
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
27 Jun 2020, 23:39 #
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andi
andi
27 Jun 2020, 23:40 #
@Sheeva: maybe her father, for example, raped her, we don't know who made her like that
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
27 Jun 2020, 23:51 #
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Estelle69
Estelle69
29 Jun 2020, 22:19 #
@Sheeva: judging by her behavior, she did not need to be an employee of the durka, but her permanent resident.
MasterGeo
MasterGeo
23 Jul 2020, 00:18 #
Thanks!!! I now understand what kind of girl she was in the last episode. 😅 God, I'm so confused about the episodes and seasons.... 🤪this series needs to be watched all at once. In one gulp.
flaxman
flaxman
31 Jul 2020, 18:14 #
@MasterGeo: Nah, don't. I'm watching the whole series in one week at once, and by the middle of the third season I'm really tired, my brain just can't stand such a load.
nzemnaya
nzemnaya
01 Aug 2020, 14:07 #
This is a detailed explanation for those who were constantly outraged by Katarina's behavior and called her a redneck. People just don't become aggressive like that, with such a mother, only the behavior of "hitting" is formed, so then she attacked everyone and behaved accordingly
Maxyjazz
Maxyjazz
13 Sep 2020, 16:29 #
It won't help, except a few times in a row
yelinna
yelinna
PRO
23 Feb 2021, 01:53 #
@Sheeva: Well, in fact, she got rid of it. Sorry for Katarina.
CatarinaMarquina
CatarinaMarquina
05 Apr 2021, 04:22 #
We watch the entire series in three days, I agree, a good workout for the brain
borove4ik
borove4ik
12 Jul 2020, 21:55 #
@Estelle69: like mother like daughter
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
27 Jun 2020, 19:41 #
A sad episode, beloved characters are dying. No matter how infuriating Katarina is at times, I still feel sorry for her, even in the last episode I thought that she would be the drowned woman, not Hannah. Jonas, finally decided not to go along with you.😞 Well, according to tradition: as always, they picked up a very similar actor for the role of young Peter). And I'm also surprised that with such rains, they still haven't flooded everything there?!
polinafield
polinafield
27 Jun 2020, 21:50 #
@SantaJul: Really, I recognized Peter in this young man right from the first frame. Wonders...
r2000
User of MyShows
29 Jun 2020, 05:56 #
Young Peter is the son of an adult Peter in life😃
Гамулятор
Гамулятор
20 Dec 2022, 12:53 #
@r2000: ... who in the future will go into the past and make himself?)
Sheeva
Sheeva
27 Jun 2020, 23:41 #
@SantaJul: Don't talk about Peter, my jaw dropped. It's an unreal resemblance, it's immediately clear who it is. I even thought for a moment that this was some kind of rejuvenation technology, but it would be too expensive.
And by the way, old Ulrich was also cosmically picked up, I thought it was the original Ulrich who had such aging makeup soldered in, but no, really different actors. I'm just applauding.
poohlaya
poohlaya
28 Jun 2020, 06:01 #
@Sheeva: +1000, and Alexandra is also there in their company) the selection of actors is on top
Simon__di
Simon__di
28 Jun 2020, 19:58 #
@Sheeva: Is old Ulrich another actor??? 0_o if it wasn't for your comment, I would have thought that this makeup was good.
Grinders
Grinders
29 Jun 2020, 04:02 #
@Simon__di: The actor playing the elderly Ulrich is generally one of the best in the series. Even in the second season, I immediately noticed how cool he "took off" the habits of an adult Ulrich - facial expressions, body language, etc. All the actors in the series play well, but in my opinion he is the only one who has steamed up so much.
plushkauskas
plushkauskas
30 Jun 2020, 21:44 #
@Sheeva: Yeah, the cast selection is incredible!
storm_
storm_
01 Jul 2020, 17:44 #
@Sheeva: Before your comment, I was sure that old Ulrich was being played by the same actor... Just make-up... To be honest, I even checked it))) shock
azabeth_who
azabeth_who
05 Jul 2020, 03:29 #
@Sheeva: Mikkel has also become a little older this season, and looks especially much like an adult Mikael. It's really a mystery how they do it.
DeadParrot11
DeadParrot11
27 Jul 2020, 03:17 #
Maybe the actors who play the characters at different ages are relatives? 😅
_LA_
_LA_
05 Aug 2020, 22:36 #
@azabeth_who: Maybe this series is not fiction, but a documentary)
Annjo
Annjo
27 Aug 2020, 00:47 #
It's just a jewelry job of casting actors. Bravo,
g1320950
g1320950
24 Aug 2024, 05:05 #
@DeadParrot11: a few yes) Jonas is a middle and young relative, for example. But many are similar, although not related at all)
keromatsu
keromatsu
28 Jun 2020, 08:26 #
@SantaJul: Young Peter is played by the actor's own son, who plays Peter
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
28 Jun 2020, 15:59 #
And where does the information come from? I also immediately thought that this was the actor's son, so I went to look, and they have different surnames.
keromatsu
keromatsu
29 Jun 2020, 02:30 #
@SantaJul: I saw a post on Reddit with a link to this guy's Instagram
keromatsu
keromatsu
29 Jun 2020, 02:40 #
@SantaJul: запарилась и нашла тот самый пост https://www.reddit.com/r/DarK/comments/hd82c2/season_3_information_potential_spoilers/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Gasold
Gasold
30 Jun 2020, 07:20 #
Can you remind me when they talked about a drowned woman earlier? I can't remember
KateMilk
KateMilk
30 Jun 2020, 12:57 #
@Gasold: in episode 6 of season 2. When the guys go swimming on the lake. Magnus and Bartosz scare Marta by telling a story about a woman who drowned in this lake. like, she grabs people by the legs and pulls people to the bottom. In general, such a local horror story, which eventually turned out to be based on the present case.
FairyDream
FairyDream
25 Dec 2020, 20:01 #
@KateMilk: And the worst part is that the dead woman they're joking about is their mother.😩
@KateMilk: what an attention to detail in this series. Gorgeous!
iddi_pop
iddi_pop
20 Jul 2020, 12:38 #
They 're having a hard time casting 👌🏻
flaxman
flaxman
31 Jul 2020, 17:08 #
@SantaJul: "I thought in the last episode that she would be the one who drowned, not Hannah." What kind of drowned woman are we
talking about? Has anything been shown about her before?
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
01 Aug 2020, 23:44 #
Yes, in the second season, if I'm not mistaken, the guys went to the lake to swim (Magnus, Franciszka, Marta and Jonas) and one of them, in my opinion Magnus, told the local legend about the drowned woman, they seem to have found the same pendant that Marta took for herself.
Florance
Florance
03 Oct 2020, 03:40 #
Jonas found the pendant and then the middle Jonas left it on Martha's pillow.
avocadochannel
avocadochannel
04 Nov 2020, 06:02 #
And that's where their mom ended up.😭
herlich
herlich
22 Jan 2023, 01:43 #
Exactly.. but where did Hannah's pendant come from in our time? She went back in time with him, didn't she? Or did you get it somewhere in the past? I can't figure it out.
herlich
herlich
22 Jan 2023, 02:20 #
I remembered! Claudia 's young dad presented ☺️
RileyDay
RileyDay
04 Jan 2021, 15:22 #
@SantaJul: I don't know if this has been written about before, but as I understand it, Peter is the son of Hannah, who got pregnant in the past)
RileyDay
RileyDay
04 Jan 2021, 15:28 #
@RileyDay: Okay, I read about Silja, the daughter of Hannah and a policeman, and realized that I was too confused)
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
04 Jan 2021, 18:34 #
No. His mother will not be shown to us.
RileyDay
RileyDay
19 Jan 2021, 14:14 #
@SantaJul: Yes, yes, I understand, I'm a little confused)
еxprisee
еxprisee
27 Jun 2020, 19:59 #
There is so much pain in this episode...
poohlaya
poohlaya
28 Jun 2020, 06:02 #
@vk971112: At that moment, I was reading the family tree... Noah (Hanno Tauber) is the son of Bartosz and Silja from the future, that's the twist.
Me-wow
Me-wow
28 Jun 2020, 18:52 #
@poohlaya: And Celia is the daughter of Hannah and Egon, and the devil can break a leg in this tree.
poohlaya
poohlaya
29 Jun 2020, 05:15 #
@Me-wow: I still don't know if it was a spoiler from the creators for the curious like me, or if it was shown in the movie, it doesn't count)
YliyaGolubeva
YliyaGolubeva
23 Aug 2020, 01:18 #
@Me-wow:
Heisen_berg
Heisen_berg
24 Aug 2020, 11:14 #
@poohlaya: They even broke the system here, since they showed it in the series, it means it's not a spoiler.
Elin-kas
Elin-kas
08 Dec 2020, 03:10 #
@exgisee: this tree is like Jonas ' wing
klesopar
klesopar
27 Jun 2020, 20:21 #
Poor Katarina 😭💔
K2isOn
K2isOn
27 Jun 2020, 20:59 #
It was a very, very sad episode, and I was shocked and incredibly sad about Elizabeth and Peter's death. There were already suggestions about Katarina's death from the trailer, so I wasn't surprised, but it's no less sad, as well as from the realization that neither Ulrich waited for her, nor Mikkel.💔
And the ending of the series left without words. Then where did the Wanderer and Adam come from? Will he really be gone for the rest of the season, or will something happen again? Shock.
karinaaaaz
karinaaaaz
27 Jun 2020, 22:21 #
I feel so sorry for Katarina... and at the moment with Ulrich, I actually shed a tear:(
ackermanswhore
ackermanswhore
27 Jun 2020, 22:40 #
After so many years of pain and waiting, Ulrich is waiting for Katarina at the door, who will never come for him, it's heartbreaking. 💔
Elik33
Elik33
PRO
27 Jun 2020, 22:49 #
Yes, to really spend so many years in despair, and after so many years to get hope, and lose it like that. It's a very sad episode. Jonas's death is symbolic, like dying at the hands of Marta, given that in another world Marta died at the hands of Adam...
I'm really looking forward to Alexander's story, who he is and where he came from.
YellowFoks
YellowFoks
28 Jun 2020, 01:47 #
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LiliyaLeto
LiliyaLeto
PRO
20 Nov 2020, 21:17 #
Just a facepalm. 🤦🏻‍♀️
cherelene
cherelene
04 Jul 2020, 20:27 #
@bellarkesdesire: and a beautiful sound. I watched the video sequence of faces and looks several times.
And the words are in my heart:
I called your name 'til the fever broke
when I awoke
the moon still hung
the night so black .. that the darkness hums
Nagini_177
Nagini_177
28 Aug 2020, 03:23 #
So he will never know that she did not leave him there, but died. It's terrible 😭
kiprian_zhurov
kiprian_zhurov
PRO
27 Jun 2020, 23:01 #
So is the circle broken or what?
where did Jonas come from in 1888, if he did not live to see these years?
ufo_passenger
ufo_passenger
29 Jun 2020, 02:31 #
@PCE_INOY: Back in episode 1 of Season 2
https://myshows.me/view/episode/16909021/#c1101796
Earth_02
Earth_02
PRO
05 Oct 2020, 08:01 #
@andrewenka: read the comments further, they found the creators' answer that there was no idea with the calendar, but a mistake that was later fixed.
Гамулятор
Гамулятор
20 Dec 2022, 12:58 #
@kiprian_zhurov: as I understand it, Jonas' death is part of a loop, apparently his life split into two branches due to the fact that both versions of him moved during the explosion. Indeed, he had deceived death.
kobiii
kobiii
PRO
27 Jun 2020, 23:34 #
I need to take a short break before episode 6, because too many people are dying this season. Ulrich was sorry, but Katarina has a tough story too, especially considering her relationship with her mother. The scene in Elizabeth and Peter's trailer is also tough. Well, they finished off at the end with a shot at Jonas, I don't know what's going to happen next now.
P.S. Now it's clear how Jonas found that medallion for Martha, a sad story. Probably, what Bartosz said to Marta is connected with Katerina (about the woman at the bottom of the lake).
Sheeva
Sheeva
27 Jun 2020, 23:53 #
@kobiii: I even forgot the story about the woman in the lake, it's so interesting. What interesting details. It will be necessary to review the 3 seasons in one gulp later.
vin
vin
13 Jul 2020, 19:29 #
@Sheeva: I watched the last ones before this season. It didn't help. (
poohlaya
poohlaya
28 Jun 2020, 06:03 #
@kobiii: Martha would have known when the guys trolled her in the previous season with a story about a drowned woman...
bethamphetamine
bethamphetamine
25 Jul 2020, 11:16 #
Damn, I don't remember the story about the woman in the lake. Someone remind me, please
Mary_Blood
Mary_Blood
23 Aug 2020, 00:44 #
@bethamphetamine: this is when they were swimming in the lake with the whole company and Martha's brother dragged her under the water
LiliyaLeto
LiliyaLeto
PRO
20 Nov 2020, 21:18 #
Then Jonas, whom Adam had sent to rescue Mikael, came to the lake and told Marta that they were made for each other.
Sheeva
Sheeva
27 Jun 2020, 23:49 #
Jonas and Marta are just repeating each other's stories. And for them, the death of each other obviously becomes a catalyst for further efforts to prevent the apocalypse, and in fact, they are being manipulated by their own adult versions, who don't even understand what they need yet. On March 3, the Marts simply used Jonas as an insemination bull and got rid of him.
After the revelation of the watchmaker of the Townhouse, it is now interesting what happened to his real granddaughter. I feel like there's some kind of shitty twist planned here, too.
Simon__di
Simon__di
28 Jun 2020, 20:01 #
@Sheeva: Was his son and family killed on purpose? And Charlotte is hardly his own granddaughter.
LiliyaLeto
LiliyaLeto
PRO
20 Nov 2020, 21:20 #
So Charlotte is not his own granddaughter. We have known this for a long time. She is the daughter of Noah and Elizabeth from the future, who was abducted. And the one who abducted her gave her to the watchmaker to be raised. Noah thought it was Claudia. And it is quite possible that it is. After all, Claudia from Eva's world told this Claudia that she should guide Jonos, Noah, and Elizabeth.
plushkauskas
plushkauskas
30 Jun 2020, 21:48 #
@Sheeva: when I saw the photo, it seemed to me that the couple looked like Franziska and Magnus, and knowing the excellent cast here, there might be such a twist somehow. (Or maybe I just imagined x))
korriza
korriza
07 Jul 2020, 19:51 #
@plushkauskas: I also thought about Magnus right away.
valar_morghulis
valar_morghulis
28 Jun 2020, 00:10 #
This is Ulrich's look at the clock... to the point of tears. For me, he and Michael/Mikkel are the two most lost and unhappy characters of "Darkness". Well, everyone in the "Darkness" is generally broken and broken, but these two cause me the most sympathy.
Sheeva
Sheeva
28 Jun 2020, 00:22 #
@valar_morghulis: By the way, in previous seasons it seemed to me that Mikkel didn't look like Michael at all. And then the actor has matured a little, and they are already so similar. What kind of gods they have in charge of casting, I do not know.
JuliaShows
JuliaShows
31 Aug 2020, 00:20 #
@Sheeva: Ahah, "gods of casting", that's how we'll write it down))
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id391845382
id391845382
28 Jun 2020, 00:13 #
The cast selection in the Dark for different timelines from the first season never ceases to amaze. and with Peter, in general... are they really being selected by their families for filming?))) Just hitting 10 out of 10
Katarina is very sorry, such a difficult fate.
And special thanks for the scene with Elizabeth - that's how you should smash the enemy's head in a mess, and not how they like to facepalm forever - I hit him and went for a walk so that he would wake up and catch up))
Necromantica
Necromantica
01 Jul 2020, 05:17 #
@id391845382: Katarina made exactly such a mistake, for which she paid ((( Although her own mother is, of course, not an unknown vile man, but it was necessary to make sure that she knocked out...
Inverurie
Inverurie
11 Jul 2020, 22:41 #
Maybe she didn't want to kill her or severely maim her, but so that she could take the card out of her bag... But yes, she was "out" for a very small amount of time, if at all.
ogoltelo
ogoltelo
12 Jul 2020, 04:08 #
@Necromantica: I didn't understand at all why it was necessary to steal the card like that, out of hand, she could somehow steal it quietly, break into her familiar house at night, or something. But that's what Katarina is all about, I understand - head-on, without much thought. A terrible fate.
Necromantica
Necromantica
12 Jul 2020, 07:15 #
@ogoltelo: yes, it's just her character, plus the rush due to stress (of course, there's a lot of stress there, to see her husband like this, to realize that he's spent so many years out of his time, there's only one thought - to get out at all costs). But yes, it was necessary to somehow make sure that mom passed out. Since you've taken it upon yourself to fight.
pon4ic
pon4ic
15 Jul 2020, 04:04 #
@Necromantica: or at least not stand with your back to her while you're looking for a card in your bag, then you'd see how she woke up.
lasforry
lasforry
23 Jul 2020, 01:08 #
@ogoltelo: Actually, as I understand it, she was going to immediately take Ulrich out, who was supposedly just breathing fresh air before going to bed, i.e. if she had stolen it at night, at that time he would have already been driven into the ward and he would not have been able to leave, and in the morning Helena would have missed this card. So evening was the only option.
switch-twitch
switch-twitch
20 Aug 2020, 03:12 #
@pon4ic: Yes, you could just pick up the bag and run wherever you want, and rummage through it later.
Perhaps the most tragic episode of the entire series. They decided to put all the deaths in one episode, so that the viewer would suffer once, but in full, apparently. I am very sorry for Peter and Ulrich, his eyes are full of pain and suffering (
Soko
Soko
28 Jun 2020, 01:38 #
After this episode, I need a dose of joy. I hope that at least something nice and kind will be shown in the sixth episode. I no longer have the strength to look at the suffering of my beloved heroes.
flaxman
flaxman
31 Jul 2020, 18:19 #
@Soko: Was there anything sweet and kind about this series at all? 🤨
Soko
Soko
31 Jul 2020, 22:26 #
@flaxman: but in the second season, flashbacks from the beach were shown for five minutes. The sun was even shining there. And Jonas was smiling!
last_edited
last_edited
09 Aug 2020, 05:41 #
@Soko: I don't want to dramatize, but the flashbacks took place at the scene of the murder, and the sun shone on the guys who were swimming in the lake, at the bottom of which Katarina's skeleton probably lay in those years.-
Soko
Soko
09 Aug 2020, 22:12 #
@rabbit_chiba: Damn, wherever you spit in the Dark, skeletons are everywhere in closets/lakes
herzenslust
herzenslust
28 Jun 2020, 01:49 #
They thought the drowned woman was Hannah, but they turned everything upside down. I love this. Such a rich and emotional series, you don't know what blew your mind more. It hurts both for Katarina, despite all my dislike for her, and for Mikkel, who cannot be saved a second time. To the point of tears.
herzenslust
herzenslust
28 Jun 2020, 01:51 #
@herzenslust: I will also note how perfectly the actor was chosen for the young Peter, 10/10 as always!
And of course, it is very interesting to watch the development of Elizabeth and Noah's relationship.
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
29 Jun 2020, 22:01 #
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herzenslust
herzenslust
30 Jun 2020, 03:28 #
@alcocar: I didn't know, thanks a lot for the information!!! :)
plushkauskas
plushkauskas
30 Jun 2020, 21:50 #
@alcocar: this, of course, explains why they are so similar, but the question of casting gods remains open, since the rest of the actors from different timelines are not related)
tatrati
tatrati
04 Jul 2020, 23:21 #
@plushkauskas: In this episode, I was surprised with Charlotte, the young one looks very much like her.
OUKF
OUKF
PRO
28 Jun 2020, 02:30 #
it seems to be confirmed that there are more than one Jonas, once one was killed and there is one who does not remember the alternative world, only like
kateyama
kateyama
01 Jul 2020, 16:26 #
then there's Jonas, who brought Mikel to the cave in 2019, where would he come from then
Darula
Darula
PRO
06 Jul 2020, 00:49 #
@kateyama: It was Jonas, whom Adam had sent from 1921 in 2019, and who was talking to his father.
ogoltelo
ogoltelo
12 Jul 2020, 04:12 #
@OUKF: It looks like it got stratified at some point. Maybe Martha the mirror intervened to save him and not let him into a parallel world, knowing that he would be killed there, although xs in general, at what point)
oreshki_na
oreshki_na
28 Jun 2020, 05:09 #
did you notice that in the scene where Jonas dies, Silja appeared on the family tree?
everyone thought that this was the daughter of Jonas and Marta, and this is the daughter of Egon and Hannah)
Лаваш
Лаваш
29 Jun 2020, 00:21 #
@oreshki_na: the first time the tree was shown, she was already there, even then I saw
flaxman
flaxman
31 Jul 2020, 18:21 #
@oreshki_na: Who kept thinking that? It was the first time all this had happened on this tree. I should have just watched the episode more carefully. 😉
evgenia_fr
evgenia_fr
21 Feb 2022, 19:06 #
@oreshki_na: by the way, Silya looks very much like Hanna-a teenager
Гамулятор
Гамулятор
20 Dec 2022, 13:04 #
@oreshki_na: the tree is the same as it was shown the first time. And they even showed the young Silja warmly saying goodbye to the adult Agnes, her future daughter, before Agnes went back in time with a newspaper clipping about Claudia's death.
katherine_e
katherine_e
28 Jun 2020, 07:21 #
Fuck, minus the crash(((
katherine_e
katherine_e
28 Jun 2020, 07:35 #
I may be a terrible person, but Katarina's mother is Taras Bulba on minimals, I'm sorry.
Sigizmund
Sigizmund
07 Sep 2020, 00:15 #
@katherine_e: great comparison, really. Amused))) I imagined her with a Cossack mustache and boots)) And fights like a man, and drinks)))
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
05 Jan 2021, 17:54 #
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VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
07 Jan 2021, 03:44 #
There's only one fucker here, Misha Madenko, who calls everyone and everywhere fuckers, even if he learns a new word.
Гамулятор
Гамулятор
20 Dec 2022, 13:06 #
@katherine_e: in the sense of Taras Bulba? Taras is such a normal guy, and he killed his son for betrayal, despite the fact that he loved him. And he certainly wasn't as monstrous as Helen.
It's like comparing a principled person and a drug addict.
igruk
igruk
28 Jun 2020, 09:20 #
The scenes with Elizabeth and Peter just have the spirit of The Last of Us – a true post-apocalypse.
Fessus
Fessus
08 Jul 2020, 19:23 #
I agree, it's very similar to the episode with David and Ellie.
nzemnaya
nzemnaya
01 Aug 2020, 14:20 #
Maybe Joel and Ellie?
Acid_Burn
Acid_Burn
23 Aug 2020, 04:03 #
Probably David and Ellie. He was also a pedophile, and Ellie beat him with a machete with exactly the same brutality as Elizabeth beat this guy with a fire extinguisher.
DeadParrot11
DeadParrot11
27 Jul 2020, 03:27 #
It reminded me more of the game This is war of mine. About survivors of the civil war. The same horror.
vikacloud
vikacloud
28 Jun 2020, 11:38 #
now it's clear why Agnes and Silja said goodbye like that before Agnes left. Silja is her mom.
flaxman
flaxman
31 Jul 2020, 18:24 #
@vikacloud: this became clear even earlier, namely when the tree on the floor was first shown.
jjjbccc
jjjbccc
28 Jun 2020, 12:36 #
Tell us, when and where did they talk about a drowned woman before? Everyone's writing here, but I probably missed it.
vikacloud
vikacloud
28 Jun 2020, 16:46 #
In the second season, when Marta, Bartosz, and Magnus were swimming in the lake, Jonas was sitting on the shore
gkalian
gkalian
28 Jun 2020, 13:00 #
Uh-huh... Did the death warrant come? Was it necessary to carry out the plan? What was that all about, first Peter, then Katarina, now Jonas, and so on.

Where would two Jonas come from if there wasn't one in the parallel world? Where did the average Jonas (who got stuck somehow in 1888 (and with Magnus, Bartosz and Franziska, what are they doing there anyway?)) and Adam come from then?

I feel sorry for Katarina, a tragic fate.
gkalian
gkalian
28 Jun 2020, 13:03 #
It just occurred to me that the tree of two worlds resembles wings.
Stepanushka
Stepanushka
PRO
28 Jun 2020, 14:24 #
Damn, I still feel sorry for Jonas. He should be an ordinary kid, dating a girl he loves, and if he suffers from typical teenage problems, that's not all...
EmilD
EmilD
28 Jun 2020, 16:56 #
Fuck, what the fuck!
My brain keeps exploding from plot twists!
It turns out that there are not two alternative worlds, but more? If not, then how can Jonas possibly die?
Along the way, I should review the previous 2 seasons too, because I got confused in these diaries and medallions.
YuliaDiadko
YuliaDiadko
28 Jun 2020, 18:26 #
What a series!
Of course, Katarina's mother is crazy, we basically realized in the last episode that she had a hard childhood, and she decided to give her daughter a "sweet life" as well.

The Jonas murder twist shocked me, is that why the average Jonas doesn't know what's going on at all?
Simon__di
Simon__di
28 Jun 2020, 20:09 #
Everything is not clean with Charlotte at all. The mother of a blind boy from the 19th century is named Charlotte, and his father has a watch with that name engraved on it. At the same time, she was born later than 2053 and she was moved to the 80s (who? and why to the watchmaker?). And Noah gives Elizabeth exactly the same watch. It's just that it's all about..................................
I've already missed Jonas this season, and now you've killed him, you bastards.
Why alt!Has Martha agreed to save the node? How do they all turn to this faith of loops and constant fucking????
templesin11
templesin11
29 Jun 2020, 03:23 #
@Simon__di: I guess so, alt!Martha agreed to keep the knot when Adam told her that she needed to kill her child in order to destroy this very knot. She didn't want to kill him, so she left Adam and joined Eve, who just wants to keep the knot because of her son. Difficult.... my poor brain refuses to understand anything, but it somehow builds theories anyway.
Simon__di
Simon__di
29 Jun 2020, 17:38 #
@templesin11: Oh, I get it, thanks, your brain is super cool! I've just watched several episodes in a row and I'm already confused about who's drowning for what.
Darula
Darula
PRO
06 Jul 2020, 00:56 #
@Simon__di: Charlotte was born before 2053, it seems to me, because in 2053, when Jonas stays there and meets Elizabeth, she no longer has a child. Probably, they took him and Silya to the Townhouse, because Elizabeth knew the story of her mother or Adam ordered her (?), they are all followers of Sic Mundus in the future.
But while an Unknown Person brought the watch to Eve, how will they get to Noah?
Simon__di
Simon__di
06 Jul 2020, 02:36 #
@Darula: Yes, you're right, Charlotte was born before 2053, I'm a little confused, soryan. I can't tell you about the watch - I've already watched it to the end)
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 15:51 #
I thought Charlotte had been stolen.
Since Noah, for example, did not know where to look for Charlotte, he said at the meeting, "I was looking for you, and it turns out you were always there."
LiliyaLeto
LiliyaLeto
PRO
20 Nov 2020, 21:28 #
Charlotte was definitely abducted, because Noah did not know where she was and did not know that Elizabeth's mother was their daughter. Do you remember how he told Claudia before she died that she had taken everything from him? And then I found out about Charlotte in the lost pages from the diary.
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 15:49 #
And the mother of a blind boy from the 19th century loves the play Ariadne: but here Martha loves it and played in the theater
of Hmm.......
jugheadfuckhead
jugheadfuckhead
28 Jun 2020, 20:17 #
Well, you wouldn't envy Katarina's fate. In fact, both she and Ulrich have such poorly lived lives and an even sadder end - one died at the hands of her own mother, the other is in a mental hospital, waiting for a miracle. To the point of tears.
KateMilk
KateMilk
28 Jun 2020, 21:38 #
@jugheadfuckhead: even after that, Mikkel and Inez return to the house. I almost didn't wait for my son ((
jugheadfuckhead
jugheadfuckhead
29 Jun 2020, 12:42 #
@KateMilk: Yes, it's broken glass, straight to the heart((
Sinewave
Sinewave
04 Jul 2020, 01:28 #
@jugheadfuckhead: And remind me, who broke it?
v86
v86
04 Jul 2020, 02:19 #
@Sinewave: Katarina broke it to get into the house.
empsokol
empsokol
08 Jul 2020, 07:07 #
@KateMilk: Katarina was told by the middle Jonas that she would not be able to take Mikkel from the past, because he (Jonas) already exists. And that she just wouldn't be able to do anything. Well, it didn't work out.
Yuhina
Yuhina
29 Jun 2020, 02:28 #
That's the question. Alt!Is Marta, who killed Jonas, the same version that was told earlier that she was pregnant? Or another time period?
I thought she was on Adam's team. Or is this Adam's big plan?
I liked the moment with Claudia - the moment of her transition to the "right side". That's how it happened. And it's a pity that she doesn't know that she's playing against her world. (Well, that's for now. Maybe the authors will turn everything upside down again.)
Дашаrtsd
Дашаrtsd
29 Jun 2020, 04:04 #
And the fact that they met on March 4 shouldn't have caused an even bigger time paradox? Jonas is 10,000% alive. We saw him when he was 40 years old. And he has lines of characters like wings in the last scene. He lies at infinity. Everything connects and rests on it.
JuliaShows
JuliaShows
31 Aug 2020, 00:27 #
@Дашаrtsd: I agree! And he should initially be exactly the kind of glitch in the matrix that will change the course of the plot and be able to break this damn loop.
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 15:53 #
Maybe he'll resurrect like an "angel" or something. But without the memory of a parallel world🤔
kacamuk
kacamuk
PRO
29 Jun 2020, 04:42 #
A gorgeous arch with a medallion!
r2000
User of MyShows
29 Jun 2020, 05:57 #
Young Peter is the son of an adult Peter in life😃
andi
andi
29 Jun 2020, 15:13 #
@SantaJul: He has his mother's last name.
mardilaat
mardilaat
29 Jun 2020, 15:48 #
But who is Peter's mother? Or did I miss something?
templesin11
templesin11
29 Jun 2020, 16:07 #
@mardilaat: The family tree says that his mother's name is Ulla Schmidt, but she was not shown to us.
ilpassetto
ilpassetto
PRO
01 Jul 2020, 02:28 #
@templesin11: Well, why didn't they show it? One Ulla was definitely shown to us. And given that everyone is connected, it can be assumed that Ulla Obendorf (the mother of the missing Eric) is Ulla Schmitt. 😕
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
01 Jul 2020, 02:38 #
It doesn't add up, he said that his mother died in 86, and we saw this Ulla in 2019.
ilpassetto
ilpassetto
PRO
01 Jul 2020, 02:53 #
@SantaJul: I just watched in the episode how Claudia from one world was giving assignments to Claudia from another, and both were the same age. If such a thing is possible, then why shouldn't Ulla prescribe something beyond comprehension. No, I'm not insisting, I'm wondering who she is. It's just that, if you think about it, there are no recurring names in the series, so once the name "Ulla" was pronounced, it means that she should be alone, and they don't give us completely new characters anymore.
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
01 Jul 2020, 18:15 #
Well, yes, on the one hand, they didn't just give them the same names, but on the other, they won't answer all our questions, alas (
Darula
Darula
PRO
06 Jul 2020, 00:59 #
@ilpassetto: if Peter's mother was Ulla Obendorf, then why would he come to Winden? He would have lived in Winden anyway.
ilpassetto
ilpassetto
PRO
06 Jul 2020, 05:25 #
@Darula: but that's logical, you're right, I didn't think about it. Surprisingly, it turns out that this is indeed a certain woman with a recurring (suddenly) name in the series.
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 15:55 #
Maybe that's the point, that she didn't die, but moved in time?🤔
Jurgen was kind of weird in the first season, hiding something🤔
yanok2001
yanok2001
26 Nov 2022, 01:05 #
@ilpassetto: by the way, it was only after this picture that I realized that the Obendorf woman who performed abortions in 1953 was the ancestor of this family with the missing red-haired Eric (I didn't remember their last name)
Temro
Temro
29 Jun 2020, 23:23 #
The scriptwriters apparently have a fetish for beating people to death with blunt objects
hellakerroughs
hellakerroughs
30 Jun 2020, 00:52 #
God, this episode is just up to tears, I won't even write anything else.
Ali_kolli
Ali_kolli
30 Jun 2020, 01:36 #
so, about a 16-year-old girl decided not to get rid of a random child from a guy from a parallel world, and because of this, all this nonsense happened?? The prolafers know their stuff..
The series just gutted me from the inside, I don't even know which moment is the most. probably, after all, what happened to Peter and Elizabeth. although it's a damn thing to be killed by your own crazy mom and "pass" through the years the medallion to your daughter (which was received from the second lover of no less a crazy bitch with whom your husband cheated on you, who at that time is a 70-year-old old man waiting for you under the clock). God...
JuliaShows
JuliaShows
31 Aug 2020, 00:29 #
@Ali_kolli: Herobora, loooool, the best for today :DDDD
The series could have been called "death, death and death," and it would have been justified.

I cried my head off when my mother killed Katarina. she shuddered with every blow.
and when the footage began to show under the song of Hozier, and then the pendant and Ulrich (no matter how asshole he was) at the clock, my heart ached, tears rolled down.

and the little fox Elizabeth got it. It was so unpleasant to look at all these scenes in the trailer, and it was immediately obvious that it would not end well. That's exactly what happened, just like Noah said.

They also killed a loving father. Peter💔

Has Jonas finally realized that it's not worth trusting everyone? But alas, it's too late.

It's a heartbreaking episode.
Can we already say how divinely beautiful Noah is or not?
Midge
Midge
05 Jul 2020, 17:37 #
@_прокрастинатор_: How much pain he had in his eyes when he saw Elizabeth covered in blood.
Darula
Darula
PRO
06 Jul 2020, 01:02 #
@_прокрастинатор_: don't forget that Noah may have killed his father himself (now we know from the family tree that Noah is Hanno, and his father is Bartosz, who looks like the man from the beginning of the second season who was killed by young Noah).
Midge
Midge
06 Jul 2020, 21:11 #
@Darula: Marta killed Jonas, Claudia killed her father (albeit not on purpose), but I don't want to consider them villains yet. Since their lives are intertwined in a tight knot and in order for someone to be born, someone must die (and so on in a circle), then perhaps it was necessary and it could not be changed. Hopefully, in the next episodes, the reason will be revealed.
kotэ
kotэ
08 Jul 2020, 03:05 #
After your comment, I specifically included episode 1 of season 2. I hadn't even thought about who this murdered man was before. Yes, as it turned out with all the actors in this series, the adult version is very similar to the teenager Bartosz.
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 15:58 #
I couldn't help but admire him in the previous episode.😄🙈
Oh, those piercing eyes
yanok2001
yanok2001
26 Nov 2022, 01:07 #
@_прокрастинатор_: I also got stuck on this frame)
Cheryl
Cheryl
30 Jun 2020, 11:10 #
The series is just five Days out of five. Even my eyes blurred from them.
arseniya
arseniya
30 Jun 2020, 12:23 #
Peter in his youth 💔
__valdezz
__valdezz
30 Jun 2020, 13:23 #
I begot you, and I'm going to kill you. 🥺
tom_softy
tom_softy
30 Jun 2020, 13:59 #
I wish they were all Childfree.
Because they fuck like each other, but only my brain is fucked here.
flaxman
flaxman
31 Jul 2020, 18:32 #
@mosesova: Madam, this is the best comment I've read here in all three seasons. My respects. 🤠
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
06 Aug 2020, 15:19 #
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Ves
Ves
11 Dec 2020, 04:17 #
@mosesova: Legendary! This comment deserves to be sculpted in marble!
PS. subscribed)
tom_softy
tom_softy
11 Dec 2020, 22:30 #
@Ves: thanks)
I just saw how people don't like account ads
, they didn't think
of ignoring this comment completely, I can't delete it or the one above.
Infinity_a
Infinity_a
30 Jun 2020, 14:20 #
Body chill from this episode. Starting from the scene in the trailer, the heart begins to contract.
Gag_rule
Gag_rule
30 Jun 2020, 14:58 #
When Ulrich stood and looked at his watch and waited for Katarina, my heart broke at that moment. 💔That's his life, he saw the son he came for 33 years ago and lost him, there was hope that Katarina would save him and lost her.
And Katarina, even in spite of her toxic mother, did not want to hurt her to the last and was killed by her own mother. 11 kisses out of 10.
This is a very sad and tragic episode.
KatyWay
KatyWay
30 Jun 2020, 17:31 #
I look at the poster and realize that from the very beginning we were hinted at the existence of an alternative world. That's why the whole screen saver is mirrored....
Darula
Darula
PRO
06 Jul 2020, 01:03 #
@KatyWay: oh, yes! The creators had the story ready from the very beginning, and not like in some TV series where the ends stop coming together by season 3...
Sigizmund
Sigizmund
07 Sep 2020, 00:26 #
@Darula: Do you know how many seasons they have a script for?
Earth_02
Earth_02
PRO
05 Oct 2020, 08:26 #
@Sigizmund :on 3: D after all, the series is over
Earth_02
Earth_02
PRO
05 Oct 2020, 08:27 #
@KatyWay: that's how it came about in the third season x) but I also noticed that the screensaver not only mirrors, but also mirrors the mirrored :D and a funny thought flashed through my mind, maybe they have 4 worlds there, not two: "D
Desi_666
Desi_666
30 Jun 2020, 20:59 #
I feel so sorry for Wyrlich!There was hope and that was it.So much pain in his eyes...
of course, I feel sorry for everyone else, but at the moment when he was waiting, I just burst into tears.
homasti
homasti
01 Jul 2020, 01:07 #
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lil_sebastian
lil_sebastian
04 Jul 2020, 18:55 #
@homasti: How sad it is to be you.
ilpassetto
ilpassetto
PRO
01 Jul 2020, 02:40 #
I felt uneasy, remembering how the guys had fun on the lake, telling the story of a drowned woman who, in fact, is the mother of two of the teenagers walking at the same time. And Katarina's suggestion, when she, Mikkel and Ulrich are driving along the road in the car and meet Jonas2: "Do you need a ride to the lake?". Yes, Katarina, you've already taken yourself there.. =(
lasforry
lasforry
23 Jul 2020, 01:19 #
@ilpassetto: Please remind me of that moment in the car with Jonas-2
ilpassetto
ilpassetto
PRO
23 Jul 2020, 02:02 #
@lasforry: Jonas2 is walking along the road towards the lake, where Jonas1 and Marta are already sitting on the sand. Katarina, Ulrich and Mikkel, who has rubella, pass by. Katarina wonders why Jonas is not at the lake with the others, she offers him a ride, but Jonas2 refuses. Mikkel sticks his hand out of the car window and says the key "fist to fist". [Season 2, episode 6, around 13:30 on time]
lasforry
lasforry
24 Jul 2020, 21:09 #
@ilpassetto: I've reviewed it, thank you very much!
Voider
Voider
01 Jul 2020, 03:14 #
How the hell is Netflix missing the X-Ray equivalent of Prime Video in this series? To pause it, it shows you all the characters on the screen...
bemron
bemron
PRO
24 Nov 2020, 22:01 #
@Voider: KinoPoiskHD also has a similar pause function.
LaFleur
LaFleur
01 Jul 2020, 04:59 #
Why the hell is Martha getting more and more like Katnis Everdeen?) I liked old Marta better.
Necromantica
Necromantica
01 Jul 2020, 05:22 #
Yes, it hadn't been three seasons since Jonas wondered if he was being fooled. But no, it's gone.
And I was just thinking- you've got a bullet on you.
Now I wonder how he managed to survive and live to Adam, at what point a parallel world and its branch appeared, if in fact the source is a child from Martha from a parallel world. But after all, Jonas is the average one who will become Adam, he does not remember the parallel world and, perhaps, was not there, where then is his source?
Nas1k
Nas1k
01 Jul 2020, 14:51 #
They picked up young Peter very coolly.
SeaL71
SeaL71
01 Jul 2020, 16:30 #
Even the journey of a coin from St.Christopher from hand to hand at different times is so confusing that kapets
enfiss
enfiss
01 Jul 2020, 18:02 #
Here's another thing that interests me. not only are all families the fruits of incest (give or take), but almost all relationships began in adolescence: Ulrich and Katarina (and Hannah, so far one-sidedly), Hannah and Michael, Charlotte and Peter, Tronte and Claudia (and Yana), Regina and Alexander, Noah and Elizabeth. That's how we met in childhood and adolescence, and then we got married.
Maybe I forgot someone else.
The town is small, there's probably nothing to choose from.
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
01 Jul 2020, 18:19 #
Magnus and Franciszka, however, Jonas and Marta can also be included here. So I also noticed this, usually this first love goes away as soon as they graduate from school and leave (not everyone, of course), but here it's just for everyone for life, although many people cheat. It's also interesting that no one from Winden has been leaving, and for generations.
Irina26
Irina26
05 Jul 2020, 01:17 #
I think that the loop itself (or the cycle) does not allow them to leave the city. For example, Charlotte tried to leave in this episode, but it didn't work out (she didn't even understand why it happened).
Perhaps this can be compared to how Noah tried to kill Adam, but the revolver constantly misfired. Since Adam simply couldn't die at that moment, his time hadn't come, so to speak.
renatamarten
renatamarten
18 Sep 2020, 01:16 #
@Irina26: I must have missed something, but where did she want to go? my head is already spinning from the movements of the characters ((((
ogoltelo
ogoltelo
12 Jul 2020, 04:30 #
@enfiss: because of this, it is especially sad, love is born so light and pure, and we look at it, knowing what a mess it will all turn into over time.
enfiss
enfiss
12 Jul 2020, 15:22 #
@ogoltelo: Yes. and not only about relationships. Even just looking at the young and carefree characters makes you feel sad.
tamponpaw
tamponpaw
01 Jul 2020, 19:39 #
hello, Vladimir Vladimirovich, the problem is this: we have four worlds, plus four more worlds, plus four more worlds, in general, we are fulfilling a government order for worlds, I am worried about where to put the worlds.

It hurts so much for Ulrich, if he went through hell before this episode, then they poured boiling water on him to finally finish him off.

It's amazing how, with such a mother, Katarina even wanted to have children of her own, for me she is one of the most illustrative examples of devotion in this series.

by the way, this is the first episode of the season where the trinity-source did not appear, it's better to look at them creepy than at the nasty old Adam, also this gloss on his lips :D
anya_nya
anya_nya
02 Jul 2020, 12:31 #
Perhaps because of such a mother and a terrible childhood, she decided to become a wonderful mother to her children, so that no other child would experience the pain of her childhood.
tamponpaw
tamponpaw
02 Jul 2020, 12:41 #
@anya_nya: perhaps, as well as the fact that there was a chance to hate the concept of family in principle.
Seraph6
Seraph6
04 Aug 2020, 11:48 #
@berrynice: "it's amazing how, with such a mother, Katarina wanted to have children at all," and she didn't want to. When she called Ulrich to fuck for the first time, she repeated to him several times: "No children! Never! No children!" But they seem to have something wrong with contraception there.
mira_bell
mira_bell
07 Aug 2020, 23:13 #
@Seraph6: If we compare the age of Katarina and her children, it turns out that she gave birth to them after 30. It's been a long time to change your mindset.
g1320950
g1320950
24 Aug 2024, 05:09 #
@Seraph6: Oh, how long has it been) Do many teenagers want children and even think about it? Well no. Plus, yes, a difficult relationship with his mother, hence such rebelliousness and maximalism in adolescence. But in some scenes, it seems to me, we are indirectly given to understand that the children are her beloved and desired
nymphay
nymphay
01 Jul 2020, 20:43 #
I was wondering where the wanderer and Adam came from if Jonas was killed, but when I saw the comments about the lake episode here, I remembered that Jonas got to that time and kissed Martha, and there was another Jonas who didn't have a scar. Perhaps it is he who has reached the present time, and Martha has not come for him, therefore, he did not know about the parallel world. According to the same principle, there were two Martha's in the room.
crystalchoke
crystalchoke
01 Jul 2020, 22:05 #
It's not clear what you wrote about at all) where could the second Jonas have come from, purely in theory? From the 3rd world? He was not born in the second one, because Mikkel did not disappear, therefore, he did not become both his father
nymphay
nymphay
01 Jul 2020, 23:43 #
Yes, no, from my own world. You can move through that black blob at any time. If you remember, after talking to Adam, he traveled back in time to stop his father from attempting suicide, and there was an unsuspecting Jonas, who lived at that time. I think that Jonas, when it comes to the apocalypse, Marta from altworld will not come for him.
id474894735
id474894735
08 Jul 2020, 20:17 #
@nymphay: according to the logic of the series, this is impossible. The past, present and future exist simultaneously. If a character is killed in the past, then it cannot be in the future. Therefore, what happened in this episode and what the hell is going on is not yet clear. But I think in the next 3 episodes we will understand everything!
crystalchoke
crystalchoke
01 Jul 2020, 21:26 #
Katarina's mother is just terrible! This is disgusting abuse. And my mother is like that, unfortunately.
crystalchoke
crystalchoke
01 Jul 2020, 21:33 #
The series is very apathetic, I don't know, I don't even have the words.
vk1024945
vk1024945
05 Jan 2021, 18:00 #
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nymphay
nymphay
02 Jul 2020, 00:00 #
I felt very sorry for Peter and Elizabeth (( There I felt the helplessness of the situation(
AndrewProsky
AndrewProsky
02 Jul 2020, 00:31 #
Series,!!!
ryuryuryu
ryuryuryu
02 Jul 2020, 00:33 #
This particular song by Hosier is just perfect for this series of T____T
MasterGeo
MasterGeo
23 Jul 2020, 00:26 #
Can you change the name? It's a salvation that I accidentally came across your comment in search of a sound!
lasforry
lasforry
23 Jul 2020, 01:24 #
@MasterGeo: Hozier – In the Woods Somewhere
@MasterGeo: put Shazam on, why bother)
freddie_dark
freddie_dark
02 Jul 2020, 02:56 #
The series just tears my soul apart((((((

but how the imagination of the authors and the execution delight! The acting is fantastic!!!
CatsGrin
CatsGrin
02 Jul 2020, 06:22 #
Here's what I don't understand... The group that is working to save the node, what kind of motivation do they have? So one Claudia came and let's sell the other one, they say, be with us, we need to keep everything as it is. What's the point?? Everyone is constantly suffering, killing each other, lying, betraying, framing, and dying themselves. And this is life? Why is it necessary at all? To break the knot is to send the whole town into oblivion, as I understand it. But it's still better than living ENDLESSLY in suffering.
crystalchoke
crystalchoke
02 Jul 2020, 08:36 #
Yes, since the first season, the motivation of none of the formal villains has been clear, although it is not clear if they are villains.
crystalchoke
crystalchoke
02 Jul 2020, 22:36 #
I watched it. Now everything is clear.
Darula
Darula
PRO
06 Jul 2020, 01:09 #
@CatsGrin: Well, not everyone will agree with you: at least some kind of life is better than death.
SnezhArt
SnezhArt
02 Jul 2020, 13:30 #
And I'm really worried about the locket chain. When Martha and Jonas find the locket in 2019, it is without a chain. But Katarina dropped it with a chain on her deathbed. A chain made of the same material as the locket couldn't rot, so the guys had to find a locket with a chain. Or someone found the chain and stole it, but then why didn't they steal the locket? In short, it doesn't add up)
Purfagade
Purfagade
03 Jul 2020, 07:10 #
@SnezhArt: perhaps he could have just fallen off the chain for such a long time, and various factors influenced this)
Ivan_AO
Ivan_AO
23 Apr 03:44 #
@SnezhArt: so the medallion was torn from the neck, and not carefully removed without unbuttoning. For 30 years, the broken chain could easily have gone its own way or is still lying under the sand on the other shore.
ssectumssempra
ssectumssempra
04 Jul 2020, 04:51 #
What a trigger episode, I'm going to take a break...
seriesomniac
seriesomniac
04 Jul 2020, 06:42 #
The episode is just heartbreaking. Why does it hurt so much?!
tatrati
tatrati
04 Jul 2020, 23:12 #
Well, of course, I understood that Katarina would not bring Mikel back, but I certainly did not expect this... And yes, did Helena go to work and home like that every day? Not much of a minibus...
tatrati
tatrati
04 Jul 2020, 23:14 #
Wow, four Martha's, take it easy, take it easy...
waiting for the story of how Martha got the second scar)
captainrad
captainrad
05 Jul 2020, 01:32 #
Poor Martha, with one haircut all her life.
AnginKa
AnginKa
PRO
22 Aug 2020, 19:23 #
@captainrad: Like Anna Wintour
azabeth_who
azabeth_who
05 Jul 2020, 04:14 #
We have already written about this more than once, but still this series was somehow particularly shocked by the tragedy of their entire cycle.
veer
veer
05 Jul 2020, 06:50 #
How sad and unexpected everything happened with Katarina, just shock and despair, of course I hoped that she would save Ulrich, but so far no one here has changed the past, and we saw the end of Ulrich last season, but there was hope, terribly sorry for their family((
And after the mother came and beat up Katarina of her time, and showed other characters, it was so dark and tragic and I wanted to cry from such a well-conveyed oppressive atmosphere of hopelessness and loneliness (
00rainbow00
00rainbow00
PRO
27 Jul 2020, 04:16 #
What happened to Ulrich last season? I don 't remember at all 🤷🏼♀️
veer
veer
27 Jul 2020, 04:44 #
@00rainbow00: he was being driven in a car in 86 and he saw his children through the window on the road, the whole company when they moved for the first time in 86, and he knew that Mikael was already here, Katarina did not come, and the elders also got into the past and he had a kind of heart attack in a psychiatric hospital.
Gideon666
Gideon666
08 Jul 2020, 01:00 #
For some reason, these tirades about "Light" and "Darkness" are already in my liver. The left-wing dude (Inya) comes and rubs that some are good, others are the same, but for some reason bad, let's fight for time travel (while everyone travels and does not interfere with each other), and they will fight the most logical method - helping the younger versions to become those with whom they are fighting.
Gideon666
Gideon666
08 Jul 2020, 01:09 #
For some reason, the comments here are worried about Katarina. Well, kick-ass, here's a character who was a bastard from school, tied schoolchildren to a tree for fun and beating them because she decided that it was necessary. She grew up, became a director who cursed the whole city on the radio, scored on 2 children because the 3rd was missing. I climbed up to pull it out and immediately forgot about it as soon as I found out that my husband was sitting there. Instead of doing everything carefully, she attacked her own mother with a knife (who is also a so-so person), forgetting that if she gets drunk, at best she will sit with her husband, leaving the youngest of the children unknown where. Brilliant!

Ulrich - cheated on his wife, climbed up to pull out his son, sent a man to the forest on whom freedom depends (Claudia's father) and, ignoring any logic, went to kidnap the child. Oh, well, I also beat up a small one with a stone. Brilliant!

Helena - time has no control over her skirt, wherever it gets, it will fool someone.
MasterGeo
MasterGeo
23 Jul 2020, 00:31 #
Yes, I've already forgotten half of what you wrote. In general, the characters were colorful and you feel sorry for them, but from the first episode a lot of water flowed away and all the sins of the characters were slightly erased.
mary_enn
mary_enn
11 Aug 2020, 11:49 #
You probably meant Hannah?
Gideon666
Gideon666
12 Aug 2020, 04:02 #
@mary_enn: Yes, I have a problem with the names in this series (Mads and Mikels, along with Mads Mikelson, I was regularly confused, for example)
g1320950
g1320950
24 Aug 2024, 05:14 #
@Gideon666: Well, the teenage years, yes, you can't argue with that. A cruel bitch and a bully. But in adulthood, she is normal, well, yes, she went head over heels from the loss of her son a little, but who wouldn't go? Cheating on his wife is OK, but he went to beat up a minor in a state of passion, knowing that this minor would kill his son. The characters are not perfect, but there is something to sympathize with.
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
08 Jul 2020, 03:06 #
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Grazhdankina
Grazhdankina
08 Jul 2020, 16:52 #
Very difficult moments with Katarina of all ages. Somehow everything is completely hopeless.
AnginKa
AnginKa
PRO
22 Aug 2020, 19:26 #
@Grazhdankina: so after such a childhood, she became a school principal, and she seemed to be even a good mother of three children until her husband went on a rampage and blew the roof off.
aylaaylaaylaayla
aylaaylaaylaayla
08 Jul 2020, 22:31 #
Jonas and Marta never cease to amaze.
vnvnik
vnvnik
11 Jul 2020, 23:15 #
It's so sad that there's nothing to say.
Otoha20
Otoha20
12 Jul 2020, 22:56 #
and where does the alt come from in the tree? Mira Silva (or Celia, I don't see what kind of name is written, which is the mother of Agnes and Noah in short) is the daughter of Hannah and Egon, because in alt.Is the world station about to collapse, and is Hannah pregnant with Ulrich's child at all and unlikely to get into the past??
nas75
nas75
15 Jul 2020, 07:23 #
@Otoha20: That's a good question, by the way....
Ronya
Ronya
27 Jul 2020, 03:41 #
Maybe she will have time to give birth and her baby will be transferred and she will be Celia? I have another question, why didn't anyone direct Hannah to go back in time and sleep with Egon, if it was so important to reproduce all the other characters? Why did she do it all by herself?
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 16:21 #
Maybe there will be a miscarriage
Or even die like Katarina.
tamucca
tamucca
PRO
13 Jul 2020, 11:49 #
So...We need to go out for a smoke, after such an ending we need a pause.
S1S13AF7
S1S13AF7
26 Dec 2021, 06:48 #
@tamari_k: That's right. Smoke break. You're in your year, I'm in mine, but "at the same time."
mariiakrechman
mariiakrechman
27 Sep 2024, 02:01 #
I'm going to smoke in mine too, it's very heartbreaking.…
megapilus
megapilus
14 Jul 2020, 04:48 #
Remind me, the rapist from the trailer, who is he, and who and to whom is he? Or is it just a rapist? I'm having vague doubts.
breath_und
breath_und
14 Jul 2020, 17:57 #
@megapilus: it seems to be Eric's father
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
15 Jul 2020, 02:17 #
It's just a left-hand man, and no, it's not Eric's father, as they wrote above.
Catherine24
Catherine24
17 Jul 2020, 00:28 #
This episode broke my heart.
skrebtsova
skrebtsova
22 Jul 2020, 02:03 #
MMMMMM what a delicious glass, thanks, scriptwriters, no additives needed.
skrebtsova
skrebtsova
22 Jul 2020, 02:08 #
It's just a moment where old Ulrich looks at his watch and realizes that there is no hope anymore. he spent 33 years in a mental hospital in someone else's time, no one believes him, bitch Hannah left him there and took up her personal life, and now Katarina won't come either.
And he just wanted to find his brother, bring his son back.
Saint_Sinner
Saint_Sinner
17 Aug 2021, 15:19 #
@skrebtsova: No, he wanted to avenge them and prevent everything in the past, without really understanding who was to blame and how it worked. He beat the boy in cold blood and made a bunch of idiotic mistakes later. Maybe he deserved a piece of happiness in his declining years, but by and large he suffered a fair punishment in this psychiatric hospital.
g1320950
g1320950
24 Aug 2024, 05:16 #
@Saint_Sinner: Yes, he acted under the influence of passion. But he didn't score the boy, I must say, but beat him. Is it fair to sit for 33 years for this? Well no. If you put yourself in his place, well, everything is not so unambiguously accurate.
lasforry
lasforry
23 Jul 2020, 01:28 #
What beautiful young Peter and young Noah... and anyway, it's nice to watch everyone in the series. That's absolutely for everyone
Ronya
Ronya
27 Jul 2020, 03:37 #
Ahaha, and even the three hypostases of the Source?)))
Iridescent19
Iridescent19
07 Feb 2021, 01:56 #
How creepy they are((( especially the smallest one. The PPC is simple. Scarier even than Adam
@Ronya: and why not, creepy, but colorful, non-trivial appearance)
yurkaaaa
yurkaaaa
24 Jul 2020, 01:57 #
It is clear that little Elizabeth is not a murderer, but where did she try to stab this attacker with a knife, protecting her father?

Well, Katarina's behavior at school was justified, let's see how Hannah will be justified)
Pandme
Pandme
07 Aug 2020, 21:28 #
@yurkaaaa: I think I was aiming for the neck.
Stillin_
Stillin_
24 Jul 2020, 23:17 #
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Stillin_
Stillin_
24 Jul 2020, 23:22 #
@SantaJul: From the credits, read better
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
07 Aug 2020, 01:55 #
How did you get me and I don't watch the credits!
Stillin_
Stillin_
24 Jul 2020, 23:24 #
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Stillin_
Stillin_
24 Jul 2020, 23:36 #
@jugheadfuckhead: Is Katarina's life worthless??? three interesting and diverse children, headmistressship at school - is it all a mediocre life?)
I didn't know, I didn't know that it was so terrible))
tana_potter
tana_potter
25 Jul 2020, 01:33 #
The whole scene from the moment the man appeared in the trailer is so intense, my heart almost jumped out. And when Peter was fighting with this guy and the guy was pushing on the knife... I've rarely been so worried about heroes. Elizabeth feels very sorry for that wild look at the end...

In general, the series is from the category of "eat glass." So many deaths at once.
Adel178
Adel178
26 Jul 2020, 17:23 #
Hozier's song is right on the theme of the episode:(
Msconfig
Msconfig
26 Jul 2020, 20:37 #
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Ronya
Ronya
27 Jul 2020, 03:42 #
Please remind me, why couldn't Katarina have gone back 33 years earlier when Ulrich was imprisoned and saved him from there?
00rainbow00
00rainbow00
PRO
27 Jul 2020, 04:21 #
Maybe because she didn't know how to do it? Or maybe she didn't even realize it because of the shock of being taken away.
00rainbow00
00rainbow00
PRO
27 Jul 2020, 04:24 #
Yeah, I also have a question: How did Adam get the scar on his neck if young Jonos was killed by Martha?
tevladka
tevladka
28 Jul 2020, 17:55 #
This series finally killed.
The death of three characters, and what else

What's happening with the trailer with Elizabeth and the end of her father – pmzdets
Katarina's death at the hands of her own mother is also so – double fucked
Sawing out Jonas in the same way as Martha by another Martha, so that the third Martha would realize something there - WHAT THE FUCK?

Well, Ulrich, waiting for Katarina ....
As a man, he is certainly a beast, but still a man... this ppc is sad
Alnk24
Alnk24
29 Jul 2020, 00:27 #
Katarina's mother "I begot you, and I'll kill you!"
GEOps
GEOps
29 Jul 2020, 19:13 #
@Alnk24: Besides, Katarina also lived with her own corpse in the lake, and the mother, with her daughter's corpse in the same place.
Tafrial
Tafrial
29 Jul 2020, 23:24 #
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Alnk24
Alnk24
29 Jul 2020, 23:41 #
So the world is mirrored, so there are scars from different sides.
VentSauvage
VentSauvage
PRO
30 Jul 2020, 01:41 #
This question has probably already been answered by everyone who is not lazy under each episode, you can just read and find out that this is not a movie at all: the scars that Martha has, that at the Source change their location depending on which world they are in. The creators did this on purpose so that people wouldn't get confused in the worlds.
GEOps
GEOps
30 Jul 2020, 11:05 #
@Tafrial: how is it that you haven't noticed the mirrored letters yet? :D
Ivan_AO
Ivan_AO
23 Apr 03:51 #
@GEOps: not just letters and scars/scratches. All house/room layouts are mirrored. The intersection from which the nuclear power plant is visible is mirrored. Even the bridge is mirrored. Roughly speaking, mirroring can be seen on any frequently used location.
flaxman
flaxman
31 Jul 2020, 18:39 #
I'm the only one who doesn't understand why Katarina tried to get the old Ulrich out instead of going back even deeper to rescue the young one from the mental hospital. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Seraph6
Seraph6
04 Aug 2020, 12:34 #
@flaxman: She doesn't know how it all works, no one has explained it to her. Well, since old Ulrich was ALREADY in a mental hospital, it means that there is no way to get the young one out, no matter what anyone does.
Pandme
Pandme
07 Aug 2020, 21:07 #
I loved Katarina from the first season, realizing that her childhood was not the best. And such an end is terrible (
And Ulrich, who was waiting for her, tore my heart out. 💔💔💔
Pandme
Pandme
07 Aug 2020, 21:10 #
Damn, no matter how many Jonas were still there, it was our one who was killed, which we have been watching since season 1

Thank you, I'm in tears
EkaterinaBel96
EkaterinaBel96
10 Aug 2020, 01:48 #
I almost choked with tears at the moment where Ulrich stands under the clock
Heisen_berg
Heisen_berg
24 Aug 2020, 11:23 #
@EkaterinaBel96: I don't know why, but it was only at that moment that I burst into tears. One glance is enough to understand how much pain and despair he has experienced during such a long time of waiting and hoping.
Arkane
Arkane
13 Aug 2020, 13:16 #
Last season, Bartosz on the lake told a horror story about a dead woman who lives in this lake. Now it's clear who this woman is...

And why the fuck did Jonas die?! Or will he survive there by some miracle (which I don't really believe in)? As I understand it, this is due to the fact that the average Jonas does not remember the Altmart. There is one small guess - the average Jonas and Adam are going along about the same path, and Eve suddenly decided to change the loop so that Adam would not appear in the end, and decided to shoot Jonas, because the Source has already been conceived and Jonas is no longer needed? Ehh, we need to look further)
Heisen_berg
Heisen_berg
24 Aug 2020, 11:17 #
And so on, the third World War awaits us, Jonosov and March, am I right?
Heisen_berg
Heisen_berg
24 Aug 2020, 11:34 #
[This user's heart couldn't stand the scene where Ulrich looks at his watch in the hope that Katarina and Mikkel are about to arrive and they will be together again.]
Annjo
Annjo
27 Aug 2020, 00:23 #
Noah is the most enjoyable character in the series! It's a pity Magnus is not enough in the season.
Earth_02
Earth_02
PRO
05 Oct 2020, 08:43 #
@Annjo: Yeah, I really liked how he hit a guy (we know who) with a pickaxe at the beginning of the season, so nice, wow! and how he led the tests of the time machine, burning children in a chair, he's a cool guy!
I think a bunch of characters will be nicer :D
__Алиса__
__Алиса__
PRO
16 Aug 2022, 23:51 #
@Earth_02: and please tell a not very smart person, who did he fuck up with a pickaxe? I didn 't get it 🤦🏼♀️
Earth_02
Earth_02
PRO
17 Aug 2022, 08:25 #
@__Алиса__: Ahah, it's been almost 2 years, what would I remember :D (oh, I remember) but isn't that a spoiler? x) Anyway has detailed information about this on the official website for sure)
Jemm
Jemm
28 Aug 2020, 00:00 #
Wow, this is a series
untilyoulie
untilyoulie
30 Aug 2020, 03:42 #
Ich will zurück! Jetzt! In meine Welt!

Раз 10 пересмотрела)
chrispi268
chrispi268
07 Sep 2020, 18:45 #
3 moments when I felt as bad as possible

1. When Charlotte's dad was killed
2. When a mother killed her own daughter, I call her the devil.
3. When Jonas was killed
, point 2 was naturally the most painful and terrifying.
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 16:27 #
You probably meant Elizabeth's dad.
@anni713: or Charlotte's grandfather, depending on how you look at it))
Evil_Cat
Evil_Cat
09 Sep 2020, 06:46 #
You can treat Katarina and Ulrich differently, they are clearly not the most pleasant people, but I did not expect such a cruel ending for them.

The story of the pendant is simply thought out to the smallest detail, who would have imagined that there would be such a trace behind this trinket

I feel very sorry for Peter, the scene itself is creepy, Elizabeth and Noah will finally be there, but at what cost

And we still have minus one Jonas, we're counting how many are left.
LDU_serials
LDU_serials
09 Sep 2020, 23:32 #
if this turn is provided by a loop, then how did he survive? That's probably why he's bearded and doesn't remember it.
snovix
snovix
10 Sep 2020, 18:04 #
Just about nothing. The first two seasons were still more or less, but this one..It's just a bit of a drag. The first four episodes were just about nothing, here at least some kind of denouement of the plot begins, although there are 4 (!) episodes left before the end of the season and the series as a whole = 4 hours. But the scriptwriters and directors have wrapped everything up so much that I'm not even sure they understand what they've done.
snovix
snovix
10 Sep 2020, 18:05 #
In itself, this series is difficult: Katarina, Ulrich, Yonnas... But there are more and more questions with each episode, and we still don't get any answers. I watch every episode thinking, "God, when is this all going to end?"
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 15:30 #
Well, that's not clear at all
How then are middle and old Jonas alive??🤨
anni713
anni713
13 Sep 2020, 16:18 #
The scenes with Elizabeth and Peter are now in first place in the top of the most dramatic
The first time I really cried in the series
Pleurnichard
Pleurnichard
20 Sep 2020, 18:03 #
That's exactly who you don't feel sorry for here and you could safely kill - this is Katarina's mother, a disgusting character. Surprisingly, after such an attitude towards herself, Katarina felt sorry for her and did not kill her right away. The Nielsen story is the most tragic here.
A bunch of Marts and Jonoses don't cause any feelings at all, in turn. Is this a bug or a feature?
Patron_of_Nagini
Patron_of_Nagini
22 Sep 2020, 17:27 #
I'm frankly confused.
Even before that, there was the thought that Marta would kill Jonas in order to make herself what she would become, just as Adam had done. But I was comforted by the fact that if the Wanderer and Adam exist, then Jonas should be fine. After all, it's not like with Marta - Jonas, we have one for two worlds, which means there is no "backup", what will become Adam in case of which there is no.
And here you are, Jonas is dead, who will become a Wanderer and then Adam? Does this mean that there is another version of Jonas somewhere? But where did it come from? My brain is about to ignite x)
Florance
Florance
03 Oct 2020, 03:55 #
I've been thinking about the whole episode that when Jonas and the adult Jonas first met, the adult told Jonas - you look like him (like a father/Mikkel) and later said the phrase "he (father/Mikkel) saved me once." At first I thought he would save him by hanging, but no. Then I thought that the scriptwriters had forgotten about it, or that this was a metaphorical description of a meeting between a young Jonas from 1921 and his father and their last conversation. But now I think maybe that phrase is part of the story where Mikkel really did something and "saved" Jonas so that the average Jonas didn't die like his younger version in this series.
Earth_02
Earth_02
PRO
05 Oct 2020, 08:46 #
How disturbing it was to watch the scene in the trailer, what a game x___x
win2ra
win2ra
19 Oct 2020, 17:07 #
There are too many deaths for one episode. Too much sadness for one episode 😟
Anaichka
Anaichka
20 Oct 2020, 18:37 #
At the moment of Katarina's drowning, I remembered the story about the lady in the lake and how Jonas found the locket in the second season and I just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. When you think that it's impossible to impress you with such small details, the creators throw in more.

But if you think about it, of all the participants in the loop, Mikkel had the most painless (if you can call it that) life. At least he managed to live it and start a family.
mishkamamba
mishkamamba
10 Nov 2020, 01:43 #
Fuck you....Ulrich...Why does it hurt so much....(
LiliyaLeto
LiliyaLeto
PRO
20 Nov 2020, 21:31 #
How interesting it turns out with a locket. Egon gave it to Hannah, she gave it to Katarina's mother. She lost him at the lake, where Jonas and Marta found him. Jonas took it for himself. Then Jonas from the future left it to Marta, who gave it to Jonas before his death. And he gave away his viola before his death!Martha.
A gorgeous way!
Now I also want to find out the whole story of Charlotte's pocket watch, which begins in the 19th century!
vob50
vob50
08 Apr 2023, 23:34 #
@LiliyaLeto: I want to find out the path of the suitcase with the time machine. From creation to the order of change of ownership- Jonas the wanderer, Claudia, Hannah... Who else has used it?
fiery_matsu
fiery_matsu
PRO
21 Nov 2020, 22:50 #
It's like there are too many deaths in the series.
klach
klach
15 Dec 2020, 00:26 #
Why did it get so boring? Of course, I understand that determinism is the main idea of the series, but why delay it so much? if the series spoils itself, then at least the presentation should be some kind of spectacular, but they only give 5-minute dialogue scenes alternating with each other. only Katarina's death looked somehow interesting, because it wasn't spoiled. What was the trailer scene for anyway? I didn't realize at first that this was some kind of stranger, and not Jonas.
SvetaStyles
SvetaStyles
22 Jan 2021, 06:55 #
This episode broke my heart. 💔
Katarina and Ulrich just 💔💔💔
Kaori_Ksenia
Kaori_Ksenia
28 Jan 2021, 21:21 #
I didn't understand who killed Peter. Was it Jonas?
Apriorie
Apriorie
05 Feb 2021, 00:39 #
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Lena_Che
Lena_Che
19 Feb 2021, 03:59 #
When Marta was killed, I felt very, very sorry for Jonas.
When Jonas was killed, I felt very, very sorry for him again.

In a comment to the previous episode, I joked that it would be necessary to inform the two Jonas that they would become fathers, and Jonas would be surprised in 1888... Now I regret it so much...Jonas alone won't know anything anymore.
Polin-ka
Polin-ka
25 Mar 2021, 02:41 #
how much cruelty and longing there is in one episode
_Ksesha_
_Ksesha_
19 Jun 2021, 14:21 #
It turned out to be a very heartbreaking episode.
But how a mother killed her daughter is of course...
Lyashenko138
Lyashenko138
21 Jul 2021, 16:15 #
This series is just blowing my mind!!!
If it wasn't for this website https://dark.netflix.io/en I would have to review each episode twice😂
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
21 Jul 2021, 16:38 #
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_Ksesha_
_Ksesha_
21 Jul 2021, 16:39 #
@Lyashenko138: Wow, it's a cool website, thanks
Saint_Sinner
Saint_Sinner
17 Aug 2021, 15:18 #
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AsheGentle
AsheGentle
PRO
23 Sep 2021, 22:35 #
For some reason, in this whole story, the thing I empathize with the most is Ulrich, who is stuck in a mental hospital.
__Алиса__
__Алиса__
PRO
16 Aug 2022, 23:41 #
@AsheGentle: It would seem that the asshole is still the same in one world as in another (in the mirror world he is even worse), but when he looked at the clock with sad eyes... I started crying.
S1S13AF7
S1S13AF7
26 Dec 2021, 07:10 #
I already had a theory about "different loops" earlier, this was partially confirmed in the series ("the beginning of the last cycle"), plus there is already a world without Jonas (we recall where it was said like if he doesn't exist, then the rest will live, and a refutation of this, where "in that world it's not better", or how's it going). To old Jonas (and old Marta?) It took 66 years to find out how everything works, so the theory is not new, but the bottom line is that after changing the past, we get a new branch, and if we change something again, there will be another branch.. And so it seems that all their options are tied to each other and move, well, not in a circle, but some kind of pentagram, sholi..? (I was going to write this several times, but earlier we were told that "nothing can be changed," and then the world without Jonas, and then he is killed.. And so the theory suggests itself again. Or maybe I'm wrong, xs)

I don't know how to explain…

... and maybe the old characters need "everything to be as it should be" in order to create fewer branches, otherwise someone from other branches is always spoiling their cunning plans..
S1S13AF7
S1S13AF7
26 Dec 2021, 07:29 #
although, as I understand it, based on the fact that "nothing can be changed" and "the beginning is the end, and the end is the beginning", they have it all flowing from one to the other, well, as I wrote above, "not in a circle, but some kind of pentagram, sholi.."
zwieback
zwieback
28 Jan 2022, 21:28 #
A tear-wringing series, of course, you can't say anything..
fs_ann
fs_ann
21 Apr 2022, 16:12 #
I'm amazed at how thoughtful the plot is down to the smallest detail, how everything is intertwined and interconnected. The whole episode has tears in my eyes, how much pain and suffering fell on the fate of the characters. And it goes on endlessly, because everything that happens is already a written fate. The inevitable cycle of suffering. For me, the story of Ulrich, Katarina and Mikkel is the most heartbreaking..
__Алиса__
__Алиса__
PRO
16 Aug 2022, 23:34 #
Before this episode, the most terrible mom was Helge Doppler's mom. But then Katarina's mom showed up and just said, hold my beer.
zadraleks
zadraleks
30 Aug 2022, 19:35 #
Such nonsense has already started. We have to guide Jonas, so let's kill him. I only watch it for the cute girls. In 1986 it was Charlotte and Regina, in 2019 it was mute nyashka, in 1953 there was also a cool one who was given a bracelet.
Oksana369
Oksana369
06 Nov 2022, 11:45 #
Yeah, out of all this gang of watering cans, I'm sorry only for Katarina, well, and Jonas. But Katarina's story is... very sad. Poor Jonas has already steamed up to climb through these years, worlds, universes ... everyone is deceiving, but he just wants to be with his Marta 🥺
dust_space
dust_space
11 Nov 2022, 20:17 #
We woke up once, and there was so much drama over his body, as if I'd lived half my life with him. Give it more logic and realism. otherwise, the storylines are good.
Викос92
Викос92
17 Nov 2022, 19:42 #
Kapets. Three deaths of good Persians in a series. At the moment, the most dramatic episode of the series.
zzz_203
zzz_203
23 Nov 2022, 14:39 #
I like it so much when they say "You'll figure it out soon!"... but you watch the next episode and it doesn't get any clearer. 🙄
Vasiys
Vasiys
24 Feb 2025, 20:43 #
@zzz_203: And everything just gets more complicated and confusing. 😂🤣 I fully support it
yanok2001
yanok2001
26 Nov 2022, 01:12 #
I rarely cry over movies / TV series, but here I cry twice for a series at once: at the moment with Charlotte and Peter (especially interruptions with young Peter and viola!Peter was finished off) and on Katarina with Ulrich waiting under the clock 😢
How powerfully Katarina's character opened up - at first she didn't really like some kind of rude aunt, and then such a tragic story from beginning to end... (and after the end, too, yes)
yanok2001
yanok2001
26 Nov 2022, 01:18 #
and one more question remains: on the official family tree of Netflix, Helge Doppler's father is listed as Anatoly Veliev. This is not a spoiler, because the degree of spoiler of the tree is selected for the series, and it has been like this since the second series. I switched it to the second season, there is no name, but it also shows that Greta gave birth to Helge from some unknown person, Bernd is just there on the side. However, the name was not known.

Did I miss something, where was it? Or is it some kind of glitch?
pavlovdv22
pavlovdv22
23 Dec 2022, 18:31 #
I was already preparing to write that in season 3, the intrigue in the actions of the characters disappeared for me (you can see who is alive and who is dead in 2053), but then the last scene of this series happened))
It turns out that at the moment we have only one Yones, who has now been killed. Plus, the average Jones doesn't know anything about the other world, let's see..
But in general, I like the endings of the episodes of the series, they try to surprise
borshik_
borshik_
PRO
05 Jan 2023, 03:02 #
Katarina is simply the saddest and saddest fate! And most importantly, all her actions and even her rude behavior in 1986 are fully justified by her mother's cruelty.

An adequate character who tried to save his family

And yet they wrapped her story so beautifully!
LbIdarka
LbIdarka
18 Feb 2023, 00:18 #
Katarina, who knows everything about her mother, knows the location in the house and the schedule: well, yes, I'll go threaten my own mother with a knife, there's not one other option.🤷

Marta, to whom this Jonas is generally a leftist and unknown dude, is so upset about something and promises him something🤷
A strange series, strange choices that you don't believe in at all
analemma
analemma
15 May 2023, 01:54 #
Previously, they somehow provided answers and new riddles or turns evenly. But for this series, nothing has been explained for some series in a row. And disappointment sets in.
Eva wants to keep the peace so that what? What is so cool or valuable in their lives to keep it? The apocalypse? Adam wants to ruin the world, not prevent the apocalypse. But it seems like he doesn't want to at the same time. There's nothing cool about their lives at all to hold on to like that. Moreover, if Adam became like this in old age, then Martha became on the same side with Eve already in her youth.
Claudia doesn't ask any questions either. They don't have a life of their own, even between time jumps.

P.S. the Continuum came to mind, everything went well for a couple of seasons, and then everything got more complicated and more complicated, and in the last season they turned these little jumps back and forth without measure so that it became impossible to explain why and where, and then pop - and quickly in a couple of episodes everything was turned off and finished.
Arrivera
Arrivera
22 Jul 2023, 23:40 #
All the stories about the other characters, except Jonas and Marta, are heartbreaking and everyone is very sorry. Elizabeth, who can't even scream after being attacked by a rapist and with her father's corpse, Ulrich under the clock, a watchmaker who lost his family (by the way, I have no doubt that the death of his relatives was staged), Katarina, who is beaten by her mother at all ages...
The scene with Jonas and Marta mirrors the scene of Marta's murder and I have the same question: was it enough for Martha to shield him and that's it?
And in the end, was Jonas needed in another universe only as reproductive material?
I still haven't figured out what the confrontation between Adam and Eve is (if there is one), although one of the time travelers regularly appears, talks about two sides, about light and shadow, and instructs the hero or himself to believe this and do that. And everyone repeats the phrases "everything is connected to each other" and "the beginning is the end, the end is the beginning." Why this so convinces all the characters to listen to them is a mystery. I would like to see at least one character who said "OK" to all this, ignored the instructions of the older version of himself or a mysterious stranger and went to chill and wait for the apocalypse.
And yes, it's still not very clear why you should worry at all and spend your whole life trying to adjust everything at all times in the right way, if in the end all the characters are unhappy and none of this can be changed.
NatashCHa
NatashCHa
20 Oct 2023, 18:57 #
I still don't get the idea of a parallel universe, but... I really like the way the apocalypse world is shown. Their faces are dirty. And the nails, too. Fuck! Have you seen the movies with the apocalypse, and all washed and manicured nails?
myatezhka
myatezhka
PRO
24 Nov 2023, 20:49 #
When Peter was killed, I sobbed, when Katarina was killed - I almost died on the spot from SUCH A BITCH of INJUSTICE.
It's just a complete mess, for God's sake.
She was so close to her happiness, the woman just wanted to find her son...
and some kind of undeserving Hannah is alive and well.
So my mother also killed me..
It just totally sucks. 💔💔💔
Katarina did not deserve to die like this, and Ulrich now has no hope at all.

If I said something bad about Katarina, I'm sorry, her mother is a real fiend.
Now the story of the drowned woman has fallen into place.

My heart breaks from this episode, why everything happened so unfairly (just like in real life)
oriosama
oriosama
03 Jun 2024, 23:01 #
Yes, that's it — turned on his brain and died.
They wrote in the comments that if only Jonas would start thinking with his own head and take care of himself for once... That's what I thought, that's what I took care of.... tt
It's so sad, and the character's fate is so sad. Has anyone counted how much Jonas has smiled in all three seasons? 4-5 times? Everything else is a complete tragedy and a life in slavery to time. Like all the characters in the series, in principle, and the series itself is not about teenage joys, but nevertheless...

But so far it has not become any clearer (at least to me) how Adam knows about everything, why Jonas the average does not know, and what time our mini-Jonas died.
Does this mean that his death is not the first in its cycle? But if not the first one, where did the average Jonas come from, who saw Martha's death...
It would seem that there are 3 episodes before the finale, and more questions are being added.
Milagros
Milagros
08 Aug 2024, 21:11 #
The story of Ulrich, Katarina and Mikel is just breaking up. He remained in a mental hospital, her own mother killed her, her son never returned home (((
User of MyShows
User of MyShows
17 Aug 2024, 23:24 #
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Cinnabon
Cinnabon
17 Aug 2024, 23:26 #
Half of the series are answers to the question "do you want to know where I got these scars from?"
Such attention to detail and, in particular, things that we don't pay attention to in ordinary serial life: watches, medallions, trailers - everything is interconnected.
Well, inside jokes in parallel universes are very enjoyable (I wish there were more of them)
Cinnabon
Cinnabon
17 Aug 2024, 23:48 #
It was dangerous for anyone to return to the past under any circumstances, so it was Katarina...With a mother like that
I wonder why she didn't get rid of the fetus: did she change her mind or did something go wrong during the operation then?
As a child, Katarina's mother seemed quite reasonable, what led her to such a cunt...
Leinorchik
Leinorchik
04 Nov 2024, 14:58 #
Finally, the "perfect" commentators will leave Katarina alone and understand why she is such a "habalka"
NEOSET
NEOSET
12 Feb 2025, 13:22 #
My Jonas the bunny was killed 😭

Why were they both just standing there waiting for something? We were just waiting for one of the Marts to shoot, to do something about Jonas... Why didn't anyone move, didn't even try to run somewhere, cover themselves, etc.? Did everyone have a crazy shock at that moment? Well , this
SergeyKaravay
SergeyKaravay
23 Feb 2025, 22:35 #
I'm really shocked by Katarina...
LadyKa
LadyKa
26 Feb 2025, 22:58 #
And where did the trance go? Did Peter and Elizabeth live in his trailer?
Gunel1992
Gunel1992
PRO
12 Mar 2025, 20:48 #
A very difficult series…
Katarina… Her whole life was hard... her whole youth was spent humiliating her mother... and the end was at the hands of her own mother.…

Ulrich... it's a pity that he never finds out that Katarina wanted to save him and her son, but... not everything is as we want it to be.…

And Jonas… Is he dead😔 It's like Deja Vu... Adam killed Martha as a teenager.. And then Martha, when she was old, killed Jonas, a teenager.
The whole series is the end, but it's also the beginning.…
yana_pl
yana_pl
14 Oct 2025, 18:44 #
God, did I accidentally miss one of the episodes? But I've already broken my head, please help! Otherwise I can't live))

In short, in previous seasons, Hannah went back in time to look for Ulrich, got into his prison through Egon, I remember that. But that was the end of her journey, as far as I remember.
And now it turns out that Hannah is pregnant with Egon's child. When did this happen? How? Did she go back in time and just sleep with him? Which world was it in, world 1 or world 2?? And how long did she stay in the past to get pregnant? I had a headache.....
analemma
analemma
14 Oct 2025, 21:44 #
@yana_pl: she rode twice into the past in the first world, once to Ulrich, the second time even further away. She settled in the more distant past. As far as I remember, she lived there for at least six months before meeting Egon.
yana_pl
yana_pl
14 Oct 2025, 21:56 #
@analemma: Thank you so much for your reply! I must have really gotten distracted somewhere, or skipped over one of the episodes.
klyuzhin_jct
klyuzhin_jct
13 Dec 2025, 16:30 #
The moment of March 4 on the screen reminded me of Spider-Man with multiverses))
eniefix
eniefix
13 Feb 21:00 #
I read a lot of comments and still didn't understand how Adam and the average Jonas survived if he was killed when he was still young.
BohdanZPM
BohdanZPM
PRO
14 Apr 16:19 #
I feel sorry for Jonas 2. He was dragged into another world just for the sake of a baby, and immediately killed. It's cruel. I also feel sorry for Peter and Katarina.
I am shocked by Katarina's death. I don't have the words. What a fate.... And Ulrich is under the clock.... I started crying.

Peter: Well, how is that?! I was scared for Elizabeth when that freak tried to rape her. Fucked up! By the way, here I would like to note how the actress playing Elizabeth has grown up. There is a very visible increase compared to last season.

PS: I don't fucking understand what's going on in the main plot. I'm completely confused about which Jonas is which and which Martha is which. But the rest of the Persians are becoming more and more familiar, as if it were interesting to observe their destinies. I worry about everyone (even Hannah (sorry)).
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