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Duration: 49 min.
Released: 23.10.202023.10.2020 15:00
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1 season
s01e04
s01e01 - Openings
s01e02 - Exchanges
s01e03 - Doubled Pawns
s01e04 - Middle Game
s01e05 - Fork
s01e06 - Adjournment
s01e07 - End Game

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Demiant
Demiant
23 Oct 2020, 18:32 #
I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time I want to remember.
Since they found KGB officers with pure Russian, was it really difficult to find a suitable Borgov? The difference in language is striking.
The defeat was predictable, Beth will learn to lose, as the watchman bequeathed, and will come to victory, I believe, later, with a completely different baggage of experience.
And I feel sorry for my mother, but how else, she lived for her own pleasure with a ton of cigarettes and immeasurable liters of alcohol.
Impending_Sky
Impending_Sky
06 Nov 2020, 23:44 #
@Demiant: for some reason it seemed to me that this perfect Russian was a path from above
VVs7
VVs7
01 Dec 2020, 03:26 #
Mas! - it means "more" in Spanish. So there was a legal channel for the muse.
Nick350
Nick350
23 Oct 2020, 23:43 #
To Demiant:
Or maybe the fact is that there are not so many good Russian actors with the right type? Calling the guys from the crowd to the main opponent is a bit wrong. It catches the eye, of course. But there is still progress. Russians are portrayed as strong and smart. And not like ghouls with a balalaika and vodka. There is a lot to strive for, of course, but it is much better than before.
Demiant
Demiant
23 Oct 2020, 23:49 #
@Nick350: Well, to be fair, there wasn't so much Borgov in the series to look for as good as possible, there are phrases at a minimum, more chess actions. But I understood the conveyed idea.
aliolita
aliolita
18 Feb 2021, 02:14 #
So what prevented him from simply voicing it to another actor, for example?) there are a million Russians living abroad, you could just invite them to voice over :))
analemma
analemma
28 Feb 2021, 22:27 #
@aliolita: it's not so "simple", it's financially costly, not justified by the plot (well, will he speak cleaner, what will change, will we immediately believe that he is Russian?))), well, and such a moment that it is always unpleasant for the actor playing. This is rarely done and for some very good reasons.
Gehrman_Sparrow
Gehrman_Sparrow
20 Apr 2024, 20:41 #
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LamK
LamK
24 Oct 2020, 04:03 #
Sad series... poor Beth lost her mother twice... I'm terribly sorry. Apparently, this will be some kind of turning point in the plot.
klo4ok
klo4ok
29 Dec 2020, 00:06 #
@LamK: I was afraid she would be sent to her guardian, and he would be against her chess career. She is technically still a minor.
lasforry
lasforry
02 Jan 2021, 23:36 #
@klo4ok: She graduated from high school, isn't she over 18 already? although yes, she has been in America since she was 21. but it's still not very clear how old she was at that time
DNK11
DNK11
03 Jan 2021, 04:46 #
@lasforry: She was born in 1948, the tournament in Mexico was held in 1966, that is, she is already 18, but officially she was thrown off a couple of years when she was adopted. Although it is not clear, perhaps he and Alma later clarified this issue. Or maybe it was never a secret for Alma, if you remember what she said about menstruation: "you started it a little late."
LiliyaLeto
LiliyaLeto
17 Jan 2021, 05:43 #
So they said at the tournament that she was 17 years old.
TYAna
TYAna
09 Nov 2021, 10:19 #
@LiliyaLeto: well, she says her age according to the documents, most likely. And according to the documents, her age was set at 2 years at adoption.
Un-reve
Un-reve
14 Nov 2021, 20:32 #
So she also has a father (Alma's ex-husband) and he is now her only guardian)
Rielsey
Rielsey
24 Oct 2020, 04:31 #
It hurts to lose a loved one twice. Whatever Beth's foster mother was, she loved her in her own way, and they became very close during all this time. And Beth now has absolutely no one close to her.
yoggik
yoggik
25 Oct 2020, 01:43 #
Didn't Beth study Borgov's tactics in the game? It was like seeing him play for the first time. Or did he come up with something new for her?
floppyru
floppyru
14 Jun 2021, 01:24 #
@yoggik:
I studied it, but realized that it would crush me with experience, as the commentator said. That's why she went into the wilds of the unknown, where openings with clear defense and attack do not work, where they will both be in the unknown and she has a chance to win.
Bullseye0901
Bullseye0901
25 Oct 2020, 02:51 #
How easy is it to understand that you are watching a good series? This is when you don't know anything about chess, but you watch the game without stopping. I can imagine how those who understand chess enjoy, ahah
Anya is generally very cool. With his wonderful eyes alone, he conveys everything in general, replacing fear with disappointment in seconds. The expectations from the future are huge for me
Rekegnaz
Rekegnaz
25 Oct 2020, 09:54 #
@Bullseye0901: those who understand something about chess are very sad, because during some games the board is not shown at all, only the faces of the players.
Bullseye0901
Bullseye0901
25 Oct 2020, 13:48 #
Well, it's also clear, emotions are more important, ahah
But I'm more in the sense that when the game is shown, is everything logical there?) Are the shahs and mats in place?)
Rekegnaz
Rekegnaz
25 Oct 2020, 15:05 #
@Bullseye0901: yes, at least I didn't notice any jambs)
chekunkov
chekunkov
07 Nov 2020, 21:23 #
@i19941: Kasparov seems to be listed as a consultant there.. So there should be no obvious jambs)
yurkaaaa
yurkaaaa
06 Dec 2020, 18:31 #
This is a dramatic work, not a documentary analysis of chess games...
Shof09
Shof09
09 Dec 2020, 07:12 #
@i19941: Kasparov composed the parts for the series, he was even offered to star, but he did not succeed
Sand_Castle
Sand_Castle
11 Dec 2020, 16:43 #
@i19941: And it's not enough to understand chess here, in order to sort out all these subtleties and moves that make them feel such emotions, you have to be a grandmaster here. But it makes it even more interesting to watch.
fb227072
fb227072
12 Dec 2020, 07:55 #
I was not a grandmaster, but with the experience of classes and tournaments for 4 years, it is enough to understand their feelings
Slice_of_nice
Slice_of_nice
25 Oct 2020, 03:14 #
Initially, she was very skeptical about the foster mother. But, surprisingly, she turned out to be a close person for Beth with her hiccups and permissiveness and even some of her benefits. It was nice to see how she supported her, listened to her games and "every move" without understanding anything) And there was something touching about the way Beth became attached to her. And she's with Beth. This is clearly not a mother-daughter relationship. But something like friendship. Therefore, at the end of the series it was sad (
Neare
Neare
08 Nov 2020, 03:49 #
@Slice_of_nice: To be fair, she adopted Beth when she was 15 years old, she was already too old and self-sufficient to form a mother-daughter relationship, but something like girlfriends is quite.
Yes, it's very sad. But at least Mom had some fun at the end.
Slice_of_nice
Slice_of_nice
12 Nov 2020, 16:18 #
@Neare: Yes, you're right. But I think they could have formed if Alma herself had been an adult to the end) Because it is very noticeable how sometimes Beth was an adult. I actually liked their relationship. Two loneliness. There was something nice about the fact that they found each other.
s0918
s0918
PRO
26 Oct 2020, 11:04 #
Probably the strongest episode, I'm not even sure that something will surpass it, the finale if only
Elizaminikotik
Elizaminikotik
28 Oct 2020, 02:21 #
A very powerful series, and the musical accompaniment is beyond praise!
rin_rin
rin_rin
PRO
28 Oct 2020, 06:13 #
I agree with the fact that I was in a hurry to be skeptical of my foster mother, after all, she loved Beth, in her own way, pleased and tried to lend a shoulder when it was necessary...Damn sorry for her and poor Beth...

Borgov is a master chess player, they turned out to be an intense game...although I was more captivated by the Russian chess player boy, well, he was such a darling when he asked about movies with cars ✨
lyoka_d
lyoka_d
PRO
16 Nov 2020, 23:28 #
@Rin_Rin: The first impression can be deceptive! She also seemed to see Beth as a source of profit. But I'm glad I was wrong about her. I really feel sorry for her, she was a good support and friend.
rin_rin
rin_rin
PRO
19 Nov 2020, 18:39 #
Yes, I agree with you about the first impression!👊
ОксанаАльмашева
ОксанаАльмашева
28 Feb 2021, 00:42 #
@Rin_Rin: Bulgarian boy (I read it from the book)))
rin_rin
rin_rin
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 02:07 #
Oh, that's how it is🤔Thank you for informing me!)))
annasuv
annasuv
29 Oct 2020, 01:29 #
💔💔💔
starmaster
starmaster
29 Oct 2020, 02:52 #
Translation from Spanish Más-more.

I'll leave it for those who also wanted to find it in the comments.
V2nes
V2nes
31 Oct 2020, 08:54 #
@masiasker: well, here probably closer "more":)
IIIu6ko
IIIu6ko
03 Feb 2021, 14:38 #
Both are suitable here. They give her a small bubble and she says "it's small, you need a big one", or if this bubble is the maximum, then she means "one is not enough, let's have more ..."
In any case, this is clearly a plot boost. I kept waiting for her to think over her moves right during the game, but so far it's been one time and this time was unsuccessful. Right now, with these pills, her rise will probably begin.
alex_red
alex_red
04 Nov 2020, 18:16 #
@masiasker: it seems that even without context translation, it is obvious that he is asking for more :)
IIIu6ko
IIIu6ko
03 Feb 2021, 14:41 #
But it was just unclear to me, so I had to turn on the subtitles and then get into the translator.
By the way, translators could also make a note... Otherwise, not everyone is so smart.
LiliaRotai
LiliaRotai
19 Nov 2020, 23:02 #
Thank you, kind man, I just went into the comments because of this)
Catherine24
Catherine24
29 Oct 2020, 03:50 #
A strong episode 😭💔
caesar_eee
caesar_eee
29 Oct 2020, 06:31 #
who was also hooked by the song at the end: Storefront Church — the Gift
centik
centik
31 Oct 2020, 05:54 #
It's a pity for Mom, at least she frolicked at parting. And Beth is very sorry, she lost a loved one, a kind, but support. The "father" is not coming back. In the course of her friends, only those "two from the casket, the same from the face" remained
steblovskayaa
steblovskayaa
PRO
20 Dec 2020, 16:32 #
I'm really counting on the guy that Beth almost had a kiss with in the previous episode! I still don't remember his name. I really liked him very much, I hope they will succeed after all)
jugheadfuckhead
jugheadfuckhead
31 Oct 2020, 23:56 #
Mother, of course, was peculiar and her addiction to cigarettes and booze had already found a response in Beth, but it's still a pity. She supported her in her own way.
ellaija
ellaija
07 Feb 2022, 19:44 #
Beth had addictions without her mother
TatianaBlunt
TatianaBlunt
01 Nov 2020, 06:17 #
Well, at least Borgov is not an asshole, judging by the conversation in the elevator.

Mom's reception caused two feelings. But in the end, I was very sad for Beth. They were close
id62244360
id62244360
19 Nov 2020, 05:13 #
@TatianaBlunt: "she's an orphan, losing is not an option for her, otherwise what would her life be like"
ogoltelo
ogoltelo
01 Nov 2020, 22:05 #
I felt sorry for the kid, somehow it's not too professional, or something, to use psychological pressure while playing with a child. Hz, the reception seemed dirty.
drmkhlchnk
drmkhlchnk
10 Nov 2020, 04:08 #
@ogoltelo: perhaps they wanted to show that nothing human is alien to Beth, despite her genius talent?) everyone panics, and sometimes this panic pushes them to dirty deeds
Dark_unicorn
Dark_unicorn
22 Nov 2020, 00:19 #
@drmkhlchnk: I could be wrong, but I think they showed her anger. How much does she want to win and prove herself, while humiliating her opponent
Silvelin
Silvelin
07 Dec 2020, 04:37 #
I thought that she began to get up to make moves intuitively, as her mother told her, and not to sit for hours and calculate the move.
Betelgeuse650
Betelgeuse650
08 Dec 2020, 19:32 #
@_linas-max_: I agree! The time game has gone on too long. An equal battle of wits. and so Beth decides to use intuition, those shortest and fastest moves.
mironovasvp
mironovasvp
15 Dec 2020, 19:26 #
@ogoltelo: as a friend who plays very well and even occupied some places in her city told me, psychological pressure is a very important part of every game and there is nowhere without it. Alas.
karkov7
karkov7
02 Jan 2021, 21:41 #
I think she behaved as harshly with him as that watchman in the moments of her defeat. It was as if she was playing the same role of a significant colleague for a new prodigy
_CAPKA3M_
_CAPKA3M_
06 Nov 2020, 12:55 #
I even cried at the end. How Beth drank martinis and raised a glass to her mother. It's a pity that this happened. But the outcome was clear when I heard her very first cough in the series.
Gosha is super. Even in such a dirty game, he remained a gentleman and proudly lost. I'm proud. I want to shout RUSSIANS GO AHEAD😅😅
I like the presentation of a female character in this series. I expected a typical struggle with the patriarchy, as it usually happens. Chess, even in 2020, is not the most equal type of game, as far as I remember (I'm talking about women's and men's tournaments, for example)
So, this is not here!!! And it's cool, Beth is just a smart girl, succeeds and declares herself in the world. I want to look at her, she doesn't want to empathize, they say, how unhappy she is among all these men. A very good approach, and most importantly, inspiring for other girls
loving_w
loving_w
PRO
06 Nov 2020, 21:24 #
It is so rare that it is shot so well that every frame is mesmerizing.3
brytannia
brytannia
06 Nov 2020, 23:24 #
Need a spin-off about Gosha
Sshadow7
Sshadow7
08 Jan 2021, 10:20 #
@brytannia: Ahahaha for sure!
FeelGoodPWNZ
FeelGoodPWNZ
PRO
07 Nov 2020, 13:44 #
Anya Taylor Joy – the decoration of the series
Dli
Dli
PRO
08 Nov 2020, 04:10 #
Who was the man in the zoo?
Holton
Holton
08 Nov 2020, 04:33 #
@Dli: Borgov.
klo4ok
klo4ok
29 Dec 2020, 00:10 #
@Dli: That's it! Borgov! And I kept thinking that she saw her family there and thought about her chosen life path or something...
Oh_mymay
Oh_mymay
09 Nov 2020, 04:41 #
I keep thinking about Mr. Scheibel from Boarding School. Although he was not very kind, he taught the game and gave advice. She would have thanked him somehow.. I wonder if at least I returned the first 5 dollars that I promised to double to him?) In general, the series is tragic, I cried at the moment of saying goodbye on the plane. To lose a loved one twice... Once again, there is no one left in her life who cares enough about her. I hope at least two guys won't leave these guys. I am glad that my mother was happy before her death and even played a farewell concert. I wonder what's next..
martishka
martishka
09 Nov 2020, 14:57 #
@Oh_mymay: Yes, he practically opened up the world of chess to her-her whole world. But the way the film showed that she often remembers him is, unfortunately, exaggerated compared to the original... they made her more human or something. She actually just grew up and moved on.
Resiente
Resiente
24 Nov 2020, 00:47 #
@martishka: Isn't this a fictional character?? Or are you talking about the book?
martishka
martishka
03 Dec 2020, 09:19 #
@Resiente: Yes, about the book as an original
Mary_L
Mary_L
10 Jan 2021, 06:05 #
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IrInAZKKK
IrInAZKKK
15 Oct 2023, 22:17 #
@Mary_Sherlocked: It's a shame by the way. This speaks of her as a double egoist.
drmkhlchnk
drmkhlchnk
10 Nov 2020, 04:10 #
Tell me, I don't really play chess, but it seemed that Borgov took the rook away to slow down the game and give Beth a chance to win back? And she didn't want to accept the concession and accepted that she would lose anyway by giving up?
MelsTadevosyan
MelsTadevosyan
21 Nov 2020, 02:02 #
@drmkhlchnk: Beth took the queen (queen) rather than the rook to f3, followed by the threat of invasion to c6 with matte threats. Speaking in ordinary language, she had an absolutely lost position)))
drmkhlchnk
drmkhlchnk
10 Nov 2020, 04:11 #
Was it my imagination, or is the journalist's friend his partner for the night?)
alaskayass
alaskayass
11 Nov 2020, 08:12 #
Shed a tear at the end😢
Very unexpectedly, somehow and quickly, the series ended.I don't know why many people didn't like Beth's foster mom, as for me-she is one of the reasons why Beth went so far with chess.She did not forbid her to do what she liked, but even encouraged her.Perhaps for selfish purposes, but it is impossible to exclude the fact that she cared about Beth and was her close person.

Oh, I really like every episode, I can't believe that there are only 3 left
Alenis
Alenis
PRO
12 Nov 2020, 20:25 #
I'm really sorry about Beth. So much fell on her at once. We need to arrange a funeral and also find those Durgen brothers in Lexington, sort out the bank accounts and pay the mortgage on the house. And that was at the age of seventeen. "Father," of course, is a bastard.
Of course, she will be steadfast and cope with the loss, because she does not know how to do it any other way, but at what cost?..
cakelikecrap
cakelikecrap
15 Nov 2020, 11:36 #
I'm a bit dumb, explain the moment with a 13-year-old chess player. Why did Beth go back and forth at the end of the game? Is it like psychological pressure or something? And why did the guy say, "For you, Beth, I give up"?
lyoka_d
lyoka_d
PRO
16 Nov 2020, 23:36 #
@cakelikecrap: They played for a very long time, and it was the guy who was dragging it out, apparently, maybe he couldn't get his thoughts together, poor guy, in front of the girl. She was out of sight and he was clearly doing better :))
In general, this moment is also interesting.
ogoltelo
ogoltelo
23 Nov 2020, 20:23 #
@lyoka_d: oh, no, this pressure, of course, distracted attention, it's harder to concentrate with extraneous thoughts, then I started to knock with my foot)
ОксанаАльмашева
ОксанаАльмашева
28 Feb 2021, 00:45 #
@ogoltelo: In the book, it's her nerve. She was angry that she was afraid of a young boy.
Not a single manipulation.
Joe_Drake
Joe_Drake
30 May 2021, 01:26 #
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DNK11
DNK11
17 Nov 2020, 20:48 #
@cakelikecrap: She was annoyed that someone younger was playing in the tournament, because she was used to being the main prodigy everywhere. Going back and forth is a psychological pressure. It was an improvisation by Anya Taylor-Joy, it wasn't in the script, and that's why the boy looks so genuinely surprised.
juliakey
juliakey
21 Nov 2020, 22:36 #
@cakelikecrap: and at the end, he said, "for you, I give up the old-fashioned way (oldfashioned)" That is, he put the queen
although, as a rule, when a player realizes that he has lost, he simply leaves or shakes hands
Иерарх
Иерарх
06 Dec 2020, 08:53 #
@juliakey: "That is, he put the queen down"
The King, of course.
ilvio7
ilvio7
25 Nov 2020, 21:12 #
@cakelikecrap: in the series, of course, it's Beth who puts so much pressure on the guy, as the commentators above said. But I would like to note that in classical chess, which can go on for so long, the players are not tied to the board and very often go for a "walk". This is absolutely normal, although almost no one does this in the series.
halfling
halfling
07 Jan 2021, 15:41 #
@cakelikecrap: she, knowing his desire for Hollywood movies and American girls, strolled in front of him, posing as a free girl
Macaroov
Macaroov
15 Nov 2020, 23:08 #
She burst into tears at the end..
ViktoryMartini
ViktoryMartini
PRO
17 Nov 2020, 18:48 #
A great series, it's a pity Beth's mother, she became her good friend and support.

Now I'm waiting for a rematch with Beth and Borgov
sally_ride
sally_ride
18 Nov 2020, 04:16 #
For the first time, I was worried not about Beth's game, but about the boy she made.
The ending is sad. You'll have to grow up fast
БеатаКатамадзе
БеатаКатамадзе
19 Nov 2020, 04:49 #
@sally_ride: She has grown up so early
Me-wow
Me-wow
18 Nov 2020, 20:31 #
A very poignant scene where Beth raises a glass to an empty seat on an airplane. And the music in the background is wonderful.
youarebymyside
youarebymyside
19 Nov 2020, 00:46 #
The pool scene was incredible, so much joy & laughter. Beth and her supportive boys. <3
БеатаКатамадзе
БеатаКатамадзе
19 Nov 2020, 04:32 #
Won't her head explode? I even explode from moves.
БеатаКатамадзе
БеатаКатамадзе
19 Nov 2020, 04:33 #
@BeataKatamadze: it's half past five and I can't stop
__Anolig__
__Anolig__
20 Nov 2020, 00:35 #
I hope the twins will be some kind of support for Beth. They're so cute
And in the end, she even burst into tears, especially when Harmon raised her glass to the next chair
@__Anolig__: да,
themercurious
themercurious
23 Nov 2020, 06:00 #
It's 03:00, I have to go to work the next day, and I keep watching 🤦🏻♀️

I'm going to feel really bad tomorrow, but it's going to be tomorrow. 🤣
katyabolshova
katyabolshova
26 Nov 2020, 06:00 #
Also 3:00 🤝
themercurious
themercurious
26 Nov 2020, 06:06 #
I wish you good cheer for the remaining episodes, colleague! You won't regret it.
БеатаКатамадзе
БеатаКатамадзе
26 Nov 2020, 22:31 #
@themercurious: and I have a college
Shi3andra
Shi3andra
05 Dec 2020, 02:05 #
@themercurious: formally, today (she is in the same situation)))
yelinna
yelinna
PRO
24 Nov 2020, 19:00 #
When Beth called her foster father and informed him about her mother's possible hepatitis, it seemed that she hinted that he was the one who infected her mother. So, the detail, of course, may have seemed to me, but it would be quite in the subject.
kaluginnn
kaluginnn
03 Dec 2020, 06:12 #
@yelinna: and it would also be good to tell Manuel what Beth's mom died of, because he probably has hepatitis now too.
Иерарх
Иерарх
06 Dec 2020, 08:58 #
@kaluginnn: Hepatitis is transmitted through the blood, there is little chance of getting sexually infected.
IrInAZKKK
IrInAZKKK
15 Oct 2023, 22:21 #
@Hierarch: it depends on what kind of hepatitis. Hepatitis B is transmitted.
t_kikot
t_kikot
28 May 2024, 20:14 #
@yelinna: It seems to me that if she had hepatitis, it was most likely alcoholic. And this scene was not to hint to him to get checked out, but rather to show his complete indifference, because he did not even ask how she died.
Time_Lord_113
Time_Lord_113
PRO
26 Nov 2020, 00:43 #
- I like your figure.
- Which one? Rook or queen?

A very difficult series... There's not even anything more to say...
TheDrFreeman
TheDrFreeman
26 Nov 2020, 01:58 #
The only disgusting moment in the entire series is how Beth (for the first time, apparently) gave herself to some kind of junkie... EW
imisteria
imisteria
28 Nov 2020, 22:46 #
С чего Вы решили что если человек курит травку, значит он наркоман?
anna_beleckaya
anna_beleckaya
28 Nov 2020, 21:35 #
Очень жалко Элизабет. Дважды потерять маму... они были хорошими подружками..
imisteria
imisteria
28 Nov 2020, 22:48 #
Я все ждал подвоха от новой мамы, но она оказалась хорошей и не заслужила такую смерть.
Бет учится проигрывать, это очень радует. Надеюсь она не уйдёт во все тяжкие после смерти мамы.
anna_beleckaya
anna_beleckaya
30 Nov 2020, 12:59 #
I was actually waiting for a trick from my stepfather. That he would become a rapist towards Beth.
vafinskaya
vafinskaya
29 Nov 2020, 19:04 #
Бет, что же тебе так не везёт обрести счастье любимого ребёнка. Почему пришлось так быстро повзрослеть и найти лучшего друга в лице пьющей приемной матери. Жаль конечно приёмную маму, но, исход был предрешён.
billlie
billlie
04 Dec 2020, 01:38 #
Она ведь осталась одна..
nekochan_orc
nekochan_orc
06 Dec 2020, 05:06 #
до мурашек💔💔💔
loonas
loonas
08 Dec 2020, 18:27 #
Есть ли какой-то "тайный смысл" в выдуманных русских фамилиях здесь и не только? Не хочется думать, что автор оригинала не мог поискать существующие в реальности фамилии. Без сарказма, действительно интересно.
Betelgeuse650
Betelgeuse650
08 Dec 2020, 19:41 #
@loonas: Мне кажется сериал не стремится к реализму. Общая канва ясна - русские всегда были сильны в шахматах. А фамилии - вторичны здесь.
loonas
loonas
08 Dec 2020, 19:54 #
@Betelgeuse650: я здесь имела в виду скорее то, что фамилии просто выдуманы сами по себе (не про привязку к реально существующим персонам). Меня на этот вопрос вообще подтолкнул комментарий на ютубе, где высказали предположение, что Боргов созвучно с Borogove из стихотворения про Бармаглота из "Алисы в зазеркалье", но это уже конечно тотальный СПГС :D
halfling
halfling
07 Jan 2021, 15:49 #
@loonas: думаю, делали как можно более несуществующими, но похожими на русские
IrInAZKKK
IrInAZKKK
15 Oct 2023, 22:23 #
@loonas: если брать реальные фамилии (особенно реальные фамилии шахматистов), то тут и до суда недалеко. Засудят за искажение реальности.
loonas
loonas
08 Dec 2020, 19:53 #
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Vivietel
Vivietel
08 Dec 2020, 23:51 #
Рубеж позади. Я очень воодушевлена сериалом, несмотря на то, что он не похож на мой обычный пулл. Боялась чрезмерного феминизма, излишней наигранности - напрасно.
Изначальная история до сих пор не раскрыта и это позволяет сохранять интригу.
Успела пропитаться отвращением к блудному «отцу» из Денвера. Интересно исправят ли это?
Очень жаль приемную мать. Женщина, которая всего лишь хотела быть счастливой... не повезло. Впрочем, как и в жизни.
AntonyMitich
AntonyMitich
09 Dec 2020, 20:03 #
Интересно, почему у всех так бомбит от русских в сериале? Американцы всегда их изображали слегка гротескно! Иногда доводя образы до абсурда...В принципе русские своим поведением этого заслуживают😂
Lihiominaa
Lihiominaa
14 Dec 2020, 01:12 #
Вотэтоповорот, хотя я и ожидала, что это произойдет, но не ожидала, что так скоро. Мне только начал нравиться их тандем. Мама, какая бы ни была, но была мощной поддержкой.

С Борговым тоже неожиданно таки вышло, но когда-то это должно было случиться.
veer
veer
14 Dec 2020, 08:10 #
Очень грустно. Бет потеряла двух мам и осталась одна. Неожиданно на последней минуте в самолёте, я расплакалась. Эта сцена была сильнее, чем если бы Бэт билась в истерике.
HopeLir
HopeLir
24 Dec 2020, 23:48 #
Жалко маму Бэт. Хоть и приемную. Как оказалось, она вышла довольно приятным персонажем, хоть и со своими минусами.

В момент когда Лизи издевалась морально над мальчиком, вспомнился ее первый турнир. Я думаю она хотела подготовить его к будущему.

Жалко, как все происходит. Надеюсь она не опустится в себе из-за горя и не пойдёт все на самотёк.
Miuki
Miuki
25 Dec 2020, 23:58 #
Не понравилось неуважением Бет к мальчику, я так понимаю, он отступал, поэтому она злилась, что он не сдаётся
А потом вопросы от неё, что ты будешь делать оставшуюся жизнь, кто бы говорил 🤷‍♀️
Cold_Shine
Cold_Shine
04 Jan 2023, 01:31 #
@Darcylon: мне почему то больше казалось, что она как раз для себя искала ответ, что она будет делать, если станет чемпионом. Вот и решила узнать у пацана, может у него уже были какие то планы
Miuki
Miuki
25 Dec 2020, 23:58 #
Russian Russian, Borgov imposter, sees the real Russian 🤣🤣
halfling
halfling
07 Jan 2021, 15:52 #
@Darcylon: импостер? русские не употребляют такие слова
Miuki
Miuki
19 Jan 2021, 02:51 #
@halfling: I mean that the actor is not Russian, while his colleagues are Russian (or they know him very well without an accent)
mikrobelka
mikrobelka
26 Dec 2020, 00:53 #
Смерть матери была только вопросом времени...
Что будет дальше? Бэт же не заберут обратно в приют? Сколько ей уже лет в в 1966?
Meloman_Nastena
Meloman_Nastena
10 Jan 2021, 06:26 #
Ну официально у неё остался опекун, «отец». Так как ему на неё с высокой колокольни, то будет спокойно существовать одна
DinaTangerino
DinaTangerino
04 Jan 2021, 13:34 #
Какой потрясающий сериал и какая интересная история, захотелось узнать побольше об этой шахматистке и ее жизни
Irishka8219
Irishka8219
30 Mar 2021, 21:24 #
@DinaTangerino: это выдуманный персонаж
DinaTangerino
DinaTangerino
31 Mar 2021, 20:02 #
@Irishka8219: да я сразу после своего комментария пошла за информацией, поняла, что оплошала хаха
Sshadow7
Sshadow7
08 Jan 2021, 10:29 #
А близнецы это ж те ребята которые не хотели Бэт на турнир брать во второй серии?
и еще - препод русского в начале - это случайно не Алексей из "очень странных дел" ?)))
Darula
Darula
28 Jan 2021, 00:46 #
@Sshadow7: они самые
FokaPossum
FokaPossum
07 Feb 2021, 15:45 #
@Sshadow7: imdb говорит, что препода играет Nikolai Jegorow)) и stranger things у него в послужном списке не наблюдается.
DianaDS
DianaDS
08 Jan 2021, 14:13 #
I knew this would be the end of the series...
TheSimok
TheSimok
09 Jan 2021, 04:18 #
Gireva was played by Andy Serkis ' son.
I remember the scene with the boy.
Натаща
Натаща
22 Jan 2021, 02:27 #
Do I understand correctly that the adoptive father left his wife, knowing full well that she did not have long left with her lifestyle? And at parting decided to "get a pet" in the form of Beth? The fact that it was his idea spurred me on to such thoughts. The unexpected turn, of course, is a pity, she has become a close person, friend and support for Beth. It's good that she had time to spend some time and break away with her pen pal.
To be honest, trying to retell the series to someone, I understand that special events do not happen: well, a girl, well, beats everyone at chess, lives with a foster mother and drinks tranquilizers. But each episode is fascinating, I can't pinpoint exactly what, but it's not easy to break away.
invidia
invidia
24 Jan 2021, 23:22 #
@Natasha: she didn't necessarily have to "stay long." She loved a beautiful life, drinking and all that, but at that time, being a housewife and living entirely at her husband's expense was completely natural. And it's fine now, of course.
How could she entertain herself when there were no children and her husband was often away?
Натаща
Натаща
25 Jan 2021, 01:41 #
Yes, she languished in this way of life and it was her only way of entertainment, but she had a diagnosis, and the risks of a sad end increased significantly with her lifestyle. My husband knew about the diagnosis and he didn't need a sick wife, as I saw it.
invidia
invidia
25 Jan 2021, 21:44 #
@Natasha: They don't leave their wife because of potential health problems, they just don't have any joint interests left, acute feelings have long passed and all that. This is closer to a relationship that has exhausted itself.
Darula
Darula
28 Jan 2021, 00:48 #
@Natashcha: diagnosis? In my opinion, Alma did not suspect until the end that she had hepatitis, otherwise she would have just been treated. It's not cancer.
LifeLie
LifeLie
16 Jul 2021, 02:53 #
@Darula: 66 years old, what is the treatment for hepatitis?

"Effective treatment of hepatitis C in Russia began literally in recent decades thanks to the discoveries of scientists and the work of pharmacists. Earlier, in the 1990s and the beginning of the "noughties", if a patient was found to have hepatitis C, B, D, F, then we could do practically nothing to help him, only to alleviate his condition," recalls Professor of the Department of Microbiology of Kabardino-Balkarian State University (KBGU) Zaira Kharaeva
sssaarah
sssaarah
PRO
25 Jan 2021, 04:38 #
What I didn't expect was the death of my mother in this particular episode. I'm sorry for Beth, because it's not easy to lose your parents twice.

At first, she was wary of her mother, but later I saw how she treated Beth.
Lola_Black
Lola_Black
01 Feb 2021, 19:33 #
The most touching moment for me is how Beth bullied the boy. I felt very sorry for him.
I'm watching because of chess, but the main character is terribly annoying. It's always the same dumb expression on his face. On top of everything else, it is difficult for me personally to sympathize with a drug addict and an alcoholic who is not averse to stealing what is lying badly. Or is everything forgiven to geniuses?
DorianDarko
DorianDarko
31 Jan 2022, 00:34 #
@Lola_Black: It seems to me that the actress is just acting out well. And I agree with the fact that for some reason geniuses are unfairly given carte blanche for wisdom.
BlueberryNights
BlueberryNights
04 Feb 2021, 15:55 #
The series is difficult, although the death of the mother was obviously predictable from previous episodes. :(
Zaharbrozzer
Zaharbrozzer
06 Feb 2021, 04:19 #
And Borgov needs "protection" so that he does not escape and still returns to his homeland. It was very well noticed, and the conversation in the elevator suggests that our life was not the sweetest. I am pleased with such details
TamilaMarkiv
TamilaMarkiv
15 Feb 2021, 19:22 #
Harper and Bogrov's game was insanely intense. Therefore, the fact that Elizabeth lost to an outstanding grandmaster is not surprising.

Overall, the episode is good, but it's a pity Beth's mother is Miss Wheatley, but it was obvious. Pouring so much alcohol into herself every day for several years (if not dozens), and she was ill with something, as I understood, so her death, as I said above, is obvious
etonadia
etonadia
22 Feb 2021, 18:25 #
Was I the only one waiting for Beth to invite the boy to watch a movie?))
Beth constantly beat everyone and felt superior to stupid chess players, and now she has met strong opponents, which greatly undermines her self-esteem, she must learn to lose. It was kind of annoying that she was winning everyone at the beginning, to be honest 💁🏼♀️
I am very sorry for her mother, although I was not very impressed with her. A frivolous alcoholic, but it is clear that she was very dear to Beth. It's a pity that Beth didn't have a decent role model, her mother only taught her to drink. Even my father is not interested in how his wife died. Almost all the men in this series are the epitome of indifference
Sonette
Sonette
23 Feb 2021, 03:17 #
I really feel sorry for my mother. No matter what, she was a cool aunt.
DrewMlbb
DrewMlbb
25 Feb 2021, 02:12 #
I somehow overlooked who these guys were with whom she swam in the pool?
TamilaMarkiv
TamilaMarkiv
25 Feb 2021, 02:55 #
The twins who, in the second series at school, accepted her application for the chess championship. Unfortunately, I don't remember their names.
DrewMlbb
DrewMlbb
25 Feb 2021, 03:06 #
@TamilaMarkiv: Ah, I remember! thank you!
ОксанаАльмашева
ОксанаАльмашева
28 Feb 2021, 00:47 #
In the elevator, I take it Beth understood the conversation. She also studied Russian.
arinamelina
arinamelina
08 Mar 2021, 21:16 #
I feel sorry for Beth's mother, no matter what anyone says, she was good
Apparently this is the turning point when she starts actively taking pills🤷
I really like the twins, they have been pleasing me since the second series)
exo2pm
exo2pm
02 May 2021, 22:04 #
One of the coolest characters has died, it's so pathetic (((
vanika
vanika
PRO
31 May 2021, 20:29 #
Great episode!
pavpasha
pavpasha
14 Nov 2021, 21:12 #
The mood after watching the episode: swimming in the pool in the pouring rain...
vk1134705
vk1134705
28 Nov 2021, 20:20 #
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IraOshina
IraOshina
10 Jan 2022, 04:02 #
I wish you to be cured of misogyny
Shodan69
Shodan69
11 Feb 2022, 15:03 #
@vk1134705: man, return the account to your wife. Well, if you are a woman, then you should spit in your face for using a "divorced woman with a trailer."
VashaDasha
VashaDasha
09 Jan 2022, 09:54 #
I never thought that a game of chess could be filmed so exciting! 🤩
DorianDarko
DorianDarko
31 Jan 2022, 00:32 #
In this episode, I finally became convinced that I don't like Beth. Maybe she has some kind of disorder, of course, that she reacts so strangely to people, but even with him, the character is too arrogant and self-centered for me. Even her emotions at the end did not arouse sympathy. I feel sorry for my mother, just as a person. I was most worried about the boy, who, damn it, is a real gentleman. And he offered to stop the game, and gave a huge head start in time, and came up, asked about the movie, just charming. I want him to be the main character. I really want to cheer for him.
kasate
kasate
02 Feb 2022, 18:20 #
Yeah, for the first time Beth chose a partner so-so, as they say, the first pancake ...))
I really liked the kid, such a nice gentleman. Play for 5 hours and then again, that's for sure!!! 👏👏👏
And Beth the asshole was masterfully distracting him))) 👗
And in conclusion, I am very sorry for my mother, she knew how to joke, take care (as best she could): be careful what you smoke))) But fate gave her quite a few "surprises" the death of a child, the departure of her husband, so you can not blame her for this fleeting affair and even if the candidate was not very good, but she was able to feel like a beloved WOMAN again for a few days, and this is not a little!
But the "father" in this story is 100% a goat!
polinabrainwave
polinabrainwave
PRO
28 Feb 2022, 12:31 #
It's a pity Beth... gave up Borgova, lost her mother for the second time... and she was such a good lady, now even the scene with playing the piano seems heartbreaking. Everything went downhill ... as if only Beth's talent and life ... a very sad scene at the end with this alcohol, with pills ... but at the beginning of the series she also threw them and played against the same Borgov ... by the way, a separate respect for his kindness and understanding. No wonder Girev said that about him. Unfortunately, I didn't understand why Beth was pushing him so hard, getting up and sitting down. To get confused?
zhosman-kinoman
zhosman-kinoman
PRO
06 Mar 2022, 02:38 #
Yes, this is life that gave Beth a "gift"! Just don't get hooked on tranquilizers right now🙏🏼
Ryaboshuk
Ryaboshuk
30 Jun 2022, 13:02 #
What a beautiful series Betty I really like, I can't take my eyes off
However, her new addiction to smoking and alcohol is very frustrating
Linke_S
Linke_S
PRO
19 Sep 2022, 16:45 #
Beth's outfits have become more spectacular and more beautiful. These skirts *_*

Is it a pity that her first one? the sex was with some strange dude, and even stoned. And how pretty she was in jeans, in this apartment)

Beth's mom whistled at the graduation) it's a pity, even though her death was expected
Milana_Collins
Milana_Collins
15 Oct 2022, 21:21 #
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Demausol
Demausol
11 Nov 2022, 16:12 #
The series perfectly shows how dependencies appear. This is not some romanticized teenage slag where a guy leaves you, life is shit - I'm going to get drunk and get stoned. No, it happens just like that, somewhere for the company, somewhere out of curiosity. And now you already remember these feelings and, if anything, back to the pleasant world.

P.s. I do not understand the situation with the falsification of Beth's age. Her parents were told that she was 13, but what, there were no documents? And how did she go to school, Mom didn't know anything?
berion87
berion87
PRO
22 Jun 2023, 13:33 #
Imho. The shock reaction is probably one of the most difficult in acting. At the age of 31, my reaction to my mother's death was stronger.
That's the 60s , sex drugs arrived... chess)
librium is sold without a prescription in Mexico. Anka 👀✨🎆 "Mas!" (and Spanish is her native language by the way).
"When she makes a mistake, she gets angry. And it can be dangerous."
"The poet Shestinsky had this line: "She frowned at her narrow pubis..." Sergey Dovlatov.
«Mne nravitsya tvoyo figura». yes, Anka is good). and he likes to show himself😋
nekotletka
nekotletka
26 Jul 2023, 18:31 #
It 's very sad... Beth lost her mom and this is the second time(((
shaamm
shaamm
20 Aug 2023, 02:39 #
The best thing I've watched!
velbovets_denis
velbovets_denis
PRO
31 Jan 2024, 09:52 #
The loss was obvious, because it was supposed to take place sometime, so it happened, there are no victories without losses.
tss94
tss94
19 Jun 2024, 12:51 #
I didn't understand a bit about Beth's foster father. Did he offer his wife to adopt a girl himself, then he dumped in Denver and didn't send a penny to his wife and child? Then why was it his idea to adopt Beth? To leave his wife and she wasn't bored? And if Beth wasn't gifted, where would they get the money? Somehow it all went by the way.
Кепка_Марка
Кепка_Марка
19 Sep 2024, 21:33 #
This kid from "Real Love" has not changed at all!
If it weren't for the mustache and facial hair, it would look exactly the same.
Oh, well, growth is still, of course))))
Xinem
Xinem
12 Oct 2024, 01:14 #
I gave myself up to some dirty junkie in a brothel. Wow, this is the first time))
Leia_Fairy
Leia_Fairy
10 Jan 05:52 #
Actually, I liked Alma. Yes, she was clearly looking at the financial side of her daughter's success, but even so, she wasn't greedy for that money just for herself and cared about both of them. She always listened to me about chess and tournaments, and asked me questions, even if she didn't understand anything about it. She might not be a typical mother, but an adult Beth hardly needed it anymore. Her passion for chess was supported, excused from school, listened to, Alma was both a guardian and a friend. I think it was a very good union. Alma loved her adopted daughter and this was evident in her sincere interest and attempts to understand her.
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