s01e05 — The Altar of the Dead
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| Duration: | 55 min. |
| Released: | 09.10.202009.10.2020 15:00 |
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But I thought the creepy doll and the ghost in white were their last nanny who drowned herself. And it turns out this is a separate Persian.
So Hannah was dead the whole time? It turns out that Peter in Miles's body pushed her into the well and in the end, for some reason, everyone sees her ghost?
And the fact that Hannah is dead was hinted almost from the very beginning: does not eat, has not left the estate and does not leave, puts the 4th candle...
It was a little unexpected to find out that Hannah is dead, but for some reason everyone sees her. Since the first episode, I noticed that she doesn't eat anything. Now it is clear why this is so.
I wonder who the girl from the lake is. I was sure it was the children's last nanny, but no.
By the way, when "Others" was just released, some critics suggested that the creators drew inspiration from Henry James' "Turning the Screw".
Well, it's just a funny fact.
For some reason it seems to me that the faceless lady from the lake is the mother of the children, because she constantly goes to her room and killed Peter stealing things from there. But she didn't seem to have died there, so who the hell knows....
So leave him/her alone, and if you don't like seeing English so much, scroll on and read only everything in your native language.
(This is not me personally to you))
A very interesting manner of narration in this episode, when you don't really understand what is really happening and jump in time lines.
is a strong series, finally they began to give us answers and reveal the secrets of the estate. Poor Hannah, but I don't feel sorry for Peter (but Rebecca, even after death, pines for him, replaying their last meeting over and over again)
Well, yes, it was possible to guess, especially after the scene at the table in the last episode:
"Hannah knew Owen was coming.
- Hannah didn't go to the funeral because she can't leave the estate.
- Hannah smiles when Flora tells that "to die does not mean to leave"
- Hannah is the only one who has her eyes closed on the opening credits.
maybe you're right and the creators really didn't want to show anything by this, but I saw such a moment and because of it I closely followed the housekeeper.
And they also say "we'll sleep it off after death"
Lies, guys, we sleep here.
Now it's clear what's going on with Miles.
At the beginning of the series, I thought that Hannah had a split personality. Now it became clear why she does not eat and her neck hurts.
Hannah's conversation with Owen, as with a therapist.
I really liked the series. There were cool transitions with Hannah.
I fell in love with Hannah from the first episode, my heart is broken now. It's a pity for her, Hannah deserved only the best. However, I wonder why everyone sees her on a regular basis unlike other ghosts. Because she's not hiding?... Well, a new question!
The only embarrassing thing is how the gardener and the cook then leave the estate
And why was there and how was the nanny there
In general, Manya still had thoughts and parallels with the film "the key to all doors"...
So it turns out that only the "Lady" has an evil ghost in the house, and the others are protecting Flora? Well, not counting Peter.
Initially I thought she might be a ghost, and then suddenly others, not her or something else.
It's a pity that Peter did it with the hands of a child (fortunately he does not remember it) right before Dani arrived. Or maybe it was at that moment that he did it to manipulate the new governess.
The series is really just great, but I'm really, really sorry for Hannah. She's such a good woman and now it's all over because of a nasty freak.
Rebecca seems to know that Peter died, because she tells Hannah something like "Don't go out there, I can't go out, it seems like IT happened just then...", I think she guesses when Peter died.
#yanicheneponimayu generally
As for Rebecca, I really hope that she actually committed suicide after all, because now everyone expects that she was dragged away too. And such a step will be more unexpected.
After all, she is not so attached to him and she is not shown to us so that she kills herself just because he left her.
I wonder what tied her to the estate after her death.
And yes, when the cook first spoke with quotes about transcendence, at first he did not understand. And then I realized.
The bomb series, so far the best
Let's see what happens next
and about Peter - that he died and moved into Miles
and about the fact that Hannah is dead .
the only thing I was surprised was that Hannah's death came literally a minute before I met Dani (damn, it's so sad and unfair.Ugh, damn Peter!
let's see what happens next. I hope the following twists and the ending will be more unexpected
And this series is gorgeous in every sense.
The picture gradually comes together and it's gorgeous.
It was very unexpected for me that Hannah was dead 😧
The series as a whole opens my eyes to many things, the end of the series stunned me, I really hope everything will be fine with the gardener and the cook. But who knows))
I immediately thought that we just decided to show flashbacks in an interesting form, and there it turned out to be.
The only pity is that some twists were really read in advance. On the other hand, maybe it's the authors who are deliberately misleading us because somewhere else half of the season is ahead, they would hardly give such a twist right now, and then they crumpled their tits for four hours and arranged stupid bullshit about nothing. Well, let's see. I thought about going to bed, but I'll sleep better in the next world (oh, damn, in the next world it turns out We don't get enough sleep either and we have to work?(((It's already impossible to die normally!)
Sometimes I marvel at how normal so many people are frankly shocked by the twists and turns of type "And the murderer was the gardener!" and people in the comments "Not mooooreeee byyyyye" write :))
This attitude particularly to Bly has not, of course, wanted to say that when you watch the TV series over the years, Yes..some things just stop surprising. In the comments, you try to explain to your point of view what, how, why and because of what you liked \ disliked, but people don't give a fuck, the main thing is to put a minus faster)) Although you can even write separately that this is only concrete, something there seemed to you to be a banal plot move and that this is too common in TV series, but what difference does it make, the cons have already been set ahah
In general, sometimes I try to somehow get into the position of people, imagine what they have such a point of view and that's it. In particular, sometimes I also try to just tell myself that well, damn, everyone can't see hundreds of TV shows and know that something is more common and is already getting tired, maybe a person decided to roll into the serial engine the day before yesterday and now almost everything is so new and cool for a person :)
Probably the most chilling moment of this series for me was when Owen and the gardener began to leave the campfire somewhere in the dark, and Hannah could not go with them
Well, the episode is the best of the season so far
, it was also expected with Miles and Peter, what an asshole he is, to use a child for such purposes 🙄 now the story of the girl from the lake is interesting
It sounds creepy against the background of the fact that Miles just dumped her into a well.
А это звучит, как слоган для всего сезона :)
Please remind me
I just thought I was missing something.
Peter: I couldn't think of anything better than to kill her and finally tie her to Bly.
and he was pretending to be a smart guy with awesome plans, well, yes.
And, of course, does not eat / drink. It's harder to decide why this is so, but the versions were very banal: some kind of personal joke or is she still a ghost)
I got the impression that that first meeting with Owen became for her a kind of "island of security" of consciousness, to which she returns to bear the fact that she is still dead, to lick the wound that this fact inflicted on her. Apparently, Owen was very dear to her during her lifetime and after, if it is he who conducts these difficult conversations with her (and, apparently, they see each other very often on this island, as both note).
In light of this, it is even sadder that Hannah will not be in Paris anymore):
I'm sorry about Hannah. I see. That this asshole Peter is taking over the boy, it's sad. After this, he may have problems with his psyche for the rest of his life.
Flora remains a mystery to me. Some people assumed that she was the puppeteer and controlled everything in the house, but I don't think so. It seems to me that she can simply monitor the location of ghosts, but not control them. I also wonder if she knows that Hannah is dead.
To be honest, I really want everything that Hannah saw in this series to be in her head and she was alive. Maybe she could just see the future or a possible future, but which can be changed...(
a very sad series. T.t
And Rahul Kohli is always so cute and funny, what's in zombies, what's in here, but not in this series, here at the end is generally creep . Oh.
twisted of course...and what the woman from the lake was doing with Peter in the room..she dragged him up the stairs afterwards..
the actor-kid -well done..so adult play
oh, this crunch of impact almost the entire series...uhhh
and Peter couldn't take the toy first..did you believe that the ghost could not? didn't believe and could? Hannah didn't believe it, but she took the items
. I love such things..when the scenes are shown before..and such.how is this murder a second before the arrival of a new nanny
and the children constantly see Peter in the house, in the dollhouse, but they prefer to keep quiet about it.
I really like this kind of presentation, when such "torn" pieces are combined into a complete picture at the end. The fact that Hannah turned out to be a ghost explains many little things that were slightly emphasized in the first series – she does not eat, does not drink, does not leave the estate even for funerals. And he always lights four candles in the church. One for herself, does it come out?
With Peter and the boy, however, everything was very beautifully mixed up. I take it there was just a split of the soul from the body when Peter was killed by a Lady, and he just moved into Miles? And so to play this little actor, one might say, a man with a character is worth a lot.
I wonder what about the rest of the people living in the house. And who is this faceless lady from the lake?
And yes, just like after the first episode of Castle Rock (s01e07), I wanted to take a break and not continue watching for some time. To put impressions neatly)
and Hannah died right before Dani's arrival, just a little bit, and what if the second one had arrived earlier, then maybe the first one would have lived... sad, very sad. Hannah is very good, and she did not suffer such a good fate, I
just don't know what else to add... o-p-u-s-t-o-s-e-n-i-e
Всё интереснее и запутаннее.
Очень жаль Ханну, застрять призраком в таком жутком месте - это ужасно.
Интересно, что Ханна увидела смерть Питера каким-то странным образом, на самом-то деле ее там в коридоре не было, никто с ней в этой сцене не взаимодействует. И первая няня ей прямо перед этим сказала что-то типа "странно, как это ты попала в мое воспоминание". Вряд ли это нам объяснят.
мне еще запомнился эпизод, когда она запалила Ребекку и Питера в покоях хозяев дома.
- ...И если еще раз обнаружу тебя здесь или ты тронешь вещи Шарлотты, то, клянусь Богом, я вытащу тебя из дома за ухо и утоплю в грязном озере! Ты меня понял?
какое точное, однако, описание. за исключением того, что Леди придушила его, пока тащила из дома.
вот и думаешь, случайное это попадание, или она опять "прыгала" во времени по своим воспоминаниям (и к моменту с шубой уже знала, как он умрет), влияя на свою жизнь, или она как-то связана с Леди.
Я так понимаю, сцена, где Ханна наблюдает за Ребеккой и Питером, это воспоминание Ребекки, а сцена убийства Питера, это воспоминание либо Питера, либо кого-то из детей? А почему она попала ещё в чужие воспоминания? И почему Ребекка увидела её в своей спальне? То есть это призрак Ребекки свое воспоминание наблюдает и в него попала Ханна или как?
И вот эта повторяющаяся сцена с собеседование Оуэна, почему она повторяется?
И я так понимаю, призраки сами контролируют, могут они взаимодействовать с предметами? Питер сначала не смог, удивился, потом сконцентрироваться и смог.
плюс Ребекка часто говорит о себе в прошедшем времени, будто рассказывает свою историю.
за Оуэна Ханна вроде как цепляется, как за самого близкого друга, который в виде воспоминания пытается дать ей ответы - кто она, что мы осознаем, какое сейчас время. что-то вроде голоса разума.
например, в 4 серии (таймкод 20.30), мы отчетливо видим фигурку Оуэна, Ханны и кого-то третьего.
в прошлых сериях Флора всегда перед сном проверяла, кто и где находится.
проблема в том, что куклы в доме олицетворяют вообще всех, и живых, и мертвых, и друг от друга они не отличаются (да и сама Флора не особо их различает).
в сцене с прятками, где вместе с ней напевает призрак в розовом платье, Флора говорит ему "тшш!", что показывает, что она довольно спокойно относится ко всем присутствующим в доме и знает, кого следует опасаться, а кто - безвреден.
но она точно знает, кто в доме есть и кого там нет. в сцене, где она оттирает мох от могильных плит, Дени предполагает, что "может быть родители где-то рядом", на что Флора отвечает, что их тут точно нет.
Теперь мне кажется, что мертвы вообще все, и возможно новая гувернантка, ну или скоро умрет. И вот дети под вопросом, возможно они живы, т.к. странно, если бы призрак вселялся в призрака.
ханна: да пофиг как будто что то поменялось
Сцена с заколкой-бабочкой, когда Флора замечает ее в волосах Дени и выясняет, что Майлз ее подарил.
- он не должен был дарить ее вам.
- почему?
- потому что она не ваша.
После чего Флора напрягается и смотрит куда-то за плечо Дени, будто боится сказать что-то бОльшее. и после этого происходит еще несколько сцен, когда Флора становится слишком серьезной и делает что-нибудь, чтобы отвлекать внимание.
(таймкод 23:25)
до этого герои сериала еще не ломали четвертую стену, по крайней мере, так явно, а Оуэн вот так взял, внезапно посмотрел нам в глаза и закричал:
- Майлз Доминик Вингрейв!
Я только не поняла, как она попала в воспоминание Ребекки и детей и узнала, что случилось с Питером. Или это особенности бытия призраком в этом доме - можешь видеть недавние события и другие смерти? И каким образом она, м-м, материальна, может трогать других людей и взаимодействовать с предметами. Чем-то напомнило "Привидение" с Патриком Суэйзи и Деми Мур - если сильно сосредоточиться, можно прикасаться к вещам. Надеюсь, дальше эти два момента пояснят.
Неожиданно было, что она умерла вот прям перед приездом Дэни. И мне не нравится, как внимательно на Дэни смотрел Питер.
И приятным бонусом под конец подтверждают все наши догадки, все те вещи, на которые нам не раз намекали в предыдущих эпизодах.
Как по мне, очень сильным образом является эта трещина на дне колодца. Тоесть, нам её уже показали, но я никак не могла понять, на что конкретно этот элемент намекает.
В целом, серия великолепно построена, она успевает рассказать много историй и обрисовать отношения Ханны почти с каждым жителем поместья, а её саму показывает как ещё более человечную и преданную женщину. От этого момент её смерти, хоть и не удивляет, но воспринимается намного острее и болезненнее.