s01e07 — Oceans Apart

Name: Oceans Apart
Released: 2020-12-25
Rating: 4.637
Cast: Julie Andrews, Jonathan Bailey, Nicola Coughlan, Ruth Gemmell, Claudia Jessie

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Duration:	61 min.
Released:	25.12.2020^{25.12.2020 15:00}
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hirondelle_

26 Dec 2020, 05:59 #

How easy and carefree it all started, and how tragic it turned out to be! Hopefully, the latest episode will bring back some optimism.

(Although Benedict was pleased with his "I'm not bound by the rules of society! ... Please do not tell Mother."))

joy_composer

27 Dec 2020, 14:56 #

As I already wrote in the comments to the first episode, I am impressed by the society depicted in the series. But it seems that the black characters of the series are only aristocrats somewhere in the 2nd generation (Simon's father said that the King gave them the title, although of course it can be interpreted in two ways; the same was said about the Jeffries family). At the same time, society is shown to be so calm, balanced, although in real England the aristocracy resisted even the appearance of "nouveau riche" merchants in its ranks. Of course, this series is not a springboard for some serious analysis, but still.

joy_composer

27 Dec 2020, 15:14 #

@joy_composer: that is, not Jeffries, but Will. Sorry.

Kilkenni

27 Dec 2020, 16:26 #

@joy_composer: In one episode, it flashed that everything changed when the king married a black woman. In general, it is logical that if the queen rules the ball, then the attitude towards the "new" aristocracy will be more favorable. But, of course, this aspect of the series has not been worked out at all, although it would be interesting. Still, yes, the attitude towards the "nouveau riche" was noticeably different, and the disparaging attitude towards other races is an important component of the British Empire (otherwise there would be no empire: it is somehow not comme il faut to conquer equals). On the other hand, I understand why the creators of the series decided not to focus on this

joy_composer

27 Dec 2020, 18:13 #

@Kilkenni: Yes, you made a good point about the reigning queen of the ball, I hadn't thought about it. However, the Queen in this case is only the wife of the king... although it is generally difficult to reason here without having some kind of theoretical justification, the queen in the series resembles some kind of king in scale, even a teenage girl at a ball can get an audience with her.)))) As for the decision not to focus attention, maybe it was worth somehow delaying this moment in time. Although then there would be no storyline with the king and queen, although in the first season it is quite vague. Not a line, but just strokes.

joy_composer

27 Dec 2020, 21:26 #

@Kilkenni: Curiously, I had not heard about this before, but it turns out that the discussed move of the screenwriters is inspired by the theory available to historians, however, not too popular, that Queen Charlotte was a woman of color. Allegedly, contemporaries noted her characteristic features in appearance: wide nostrils and large full lips, they even found an ancestor, presumably responsible for the "black" branch in the queen's family tree. However, historians do not have any evidence.

Кукабара

31 Dec 2020, 08:26 #

@joy_composer: Historians have no theory. You should not read the fictions of the American press. Such myths are widespread among blacks to raise the "prestige of blood" and to combat racism. The entire family tree of European royal houses has been widely studied and is known to the smallest detail.

joy_composer

31 Dec 2020, 13:10 #

@Heichel: let me figure out what to read myself. :) what is your rebuke here for, to convince me (and those who will read our comments later) that I was wrong to believe in the conspiracy theory from the yellow press? Did I write somewhere that I believe in her? My comment above is a squeeze from the Wikipedia article about Queen Charlotte and in my opinion it makes sense to mention it in relation to the series.

Кукабара

31 Dec 2020, 17:51 #

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joy_composer

31 Dec 2020, 19:55 #

@Heichel: of course you react this way, do you happen to have this historical personage as a great-grandmother? I clearly wrote in the initial comment that this is an unpopular opinion (since you don't like the word theory so much) and those who promote it have no evidence. For your part, you could simply write that this is the essence of the nonsense of the American yellow sheets, and not a theory, but instead you attacked with aggression and accusations. I say again that I am not giving anything away for any truth. You probably don't understand the first time, because you revel in your knowledge of history and read diagonally what they answer you. Let's separate the flies from the cutlets after all.

pon4ic

23 Feb 2021, 02:18 #

@Kilkenni: in the 19th century, there was a scandal if the king married not a princess of royal blood, but "only" an aristocrat, so marrying a representative of a fundamentally different class is not at all imaginable from a historical point of view. what can we say about a representative of another race, who were still slaves in the colonies. plus, giving titles to yesterday's slaves is not only a humiliation for the racist-minded aristocracy, but also a limitation of their power (titles are money, land and influence in society - no one will want to share this, as you yourself noticed with regard to the nouveau riche). so if there was a king in England who decided to marry yesterday's slave, then either he would have been swept away by the rebellious aristocracy (and in England this is a proven process), or his relatives would have quietly finished him, understanding what this would lead to.
however, this series is not about historical authenticity, so it's better to imagine that we are watching a fairy tale :)

Kilkenni

23 Feb 2021, 12:52 #

@pon4ic: The fact is that nowhere did it say that blacks in this universe were slaves. At least, specifically these blacks (which does not negate the problem of another class, however). And as noted above, the problem of racism in this society is not so acute. But it is clear that in this fairy tale, trying to somehow explain this aspect by looking into history is useless

LisavetaG

11 Feb 2021, 05:21 #

I have read the comments below to yours. Everyone expressed their thoughts very interestingly. But it is worth saying that Netflix does not follow the canon regarding the race of heroes. The introduction of African-American characters even into the role of a Slavic character is caused by tolerance) I am very glad that the world is changing now, even if (off topic) I would like to see another actress for the role of the Little Mermaid)

SpringSpark

28 Dec 2020, 16:19 #

Simon and Daphne are, of course, complete trash. They can't touch each other, so as not to start copulating on the spot, and at the same time they freeze each other out. And the main idiot here is Simon. But here's what's interesting, the housekeeper said that she advised his wife to "have a strong seed." Lol kek cheburek, what if Simon is not his father's son? Then that line really died, and everything will be zbs.

MariaTsvetkova

05 Jan 2021, 23:34 #

@SpringSpark: I also wonder what she meant when she said about a strong seed

TurnHandUp

11 Jan 2021, 00:44 #

@SpringSpark: Oh by the way, an interesting idea. And Simon will finally be allowed in...

Fadelena

20 Jun 01:16 #

@SpringSpark: so Simon still bears the name of the duke, it's all about the name, rod, ego, everything is lela

Hannah_Abbot

PRO

01 Jan 2021, 22:24 #

I am glad that this rape did not end with pregnancy, otherwise only forums where pierced condoms are discussed come to mind.

i-lena

07 Jan 2021, 01:00 #

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Hannah_Abbot

PRO

07 Jan 2021, 07:05 #

@i-lena: Sex without consent is rape, and there was no sign of consent. Having sex to conceive a child without the consent of both parties is literally reproductive violence. Marriage does not mean unconditional consent to any form of sex. When someone unilaterally decides not to use protective equipment (piercing a condom) this is contraceptive sabotage, and now it can be criminalized.

i-lena

08 Jan 2021, 02:31 #

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Mrs_Spock

08 Jan 2021, 02:56 #

@Hannah_Abbot: I wrote a comment about rape under the last episode and the same madam who objects to you came to object to me)

CatsGrin

14 Jan 2021, 13:11 #

@Hannah_Abbot: No, well, the consent to sex was one hundred percent here, you'll review that scene. He jumped on her very enthusiastically, and when she straddled him, he was obviously glad. Why didn't he throw it off when he realized that he was about to cum is a question. He could have done it easily. It's a matter of two seconds. So hz, what kind of rape are we talking about here.

And Daphne wanted to make sure that was exactly what he was trying to avoid. He did not tell her directly what was the matter, and that he did not want children, did not tell her, said that he could not.

CaptainNP

PRO

18 Jan 2021, 03:07 #

The initial consent to sex can be interrupted at any time, as soon as one of the partners no longer agrees to this sex -- it was interrupted as soon as he said wait) Quite a sexual and reproductive abuse

forgotten_tale

28 Jan 2021, 20:12 #

@CatsGrin: Consent to sex is yes, consent to children is unequivocally no. Instead of talking about it, Daphne decided to "find out by force."

Why didn't you throw it off? Well, because at such a moment he could have done it carelessly. And it could well become physical violence. He didn't want to hurt her under any circumstances.

tana_potter

05 Jan 2021, 01:04 #

After talking about vows, I wanted to applaud Daphne, how she shut Simon up, ahah)
In general, it's sad that Simon won't open up to her in any way, he loves her.

milalexandrovna

PRO

07 Jan 2021, 15:10 #

God, how annoying Daphne's obsessive desire to give birth, knowing how women died during childbirth at that time. I reassure myself only by the fact that they do not have the Internet and have nothing to do except procreation.

Juli18

10 Jan 2021, 06:39 #

@milalexandrovna: from the very beginning, it was clear that Daphne really wants children, she herself said that she likes her big family and she dreams of the same

pon4ic

23 Feb 2021, 02:23 #

@Juli18: but at the same time, Daphne agreed to marry without children. her anger at her husband because of the reason not to have children is understandable, but the result is the same - she promised him that he alone, without children, would be enough for her.

MilkySkin

22 May 2022, 14:02 #

I have similar thoughts. At first I accepted the conditions, and a week later I backed out.

enveil

11 Jan 2021, 14:35 #

@milalexandrovna: She doesn't want to give birth, but children) Nowadays there is Internet, but still a lot of people want children)

CatsGrin

14 Jan 2021, 13:13 #

@milalexandrovna: This is not an obsessive, but a normal desire of a young woman, for whom family is clearly very important, and who has just got married.

Evelynx

08 Mar 2021, 01:05 #

@CatsGrin: this is a normal desire only if there is something to choose from =) and there is nothing to choose from - either live with your parents in disgrace until old age or get married and be kind to give birth.
but she has a lot of servants and she will never have to take care of the children beyond the time she wants. at least two minutes a day, at least three hundred) in such conditions, it is quite adequate to see toys and positive balls of happiness in children))
but the way she masterfully ignores the reality of the danger of childbirth, of course, is discouraging. and once again shows how small and ignorant she is. He believes in his exclusivity and immortality.

CatsGrin

12 Mar 2021, 00:15 #

@Evelynx: well, she kind of found things for herself without children, here is exactly the situation that she WANTED children and a full family, she even said about it that she wanted a big family. And in those days, not all women wanted to become a mother, there was simply no protection, so they got pregnant. And the maternal instinct is a powerful thing, if it is present, then all the dangers seem nonsense to you, and you are ready to do anything just to become a mother.

Evelynx

08 Mar 2021, 01:01 #

@milalexandrovna: Yes, first of all, there really is nothing to do. Secondly, is she 16? maximalism and "I want everything right now, family from the picture" and all that.
Thirdly, it would always be possible to build a shelter for abandoned children and deal with them at least all day.
Fourthly, "then" no one from the nobility bothered with children. We saw them for dinner and tea. Until it was time to teach about marriage.

Hellotati

11 Jan 2021, 22:11 #

In one of the episodes, Penelope said that Lady Bridgerton is the mother of 8 children, I'm already on episode 7 and still can't find 8 children))) like 4 sons and 3 daughters, or did I miss something?

Diana_Bananans

13 Jan 2021, 01:41 #

@bakishova29: I even opened the list of actors, but the 8th child was not found

Diana_Bananans

13 Jan 2021, 02:42 #

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Cineman

17 Jan 2021, 01:45 #

you didn't have to write it in this episode)

Diana_Bananans

18 Jan 2021, 19:43 #

@Cineman: Can this be considered a spoiler?

RileyDay

19 Jan 2021, 20:42 #

@Diana_Bananans: ДА, ЭТО СПОЙЛЕР))

zSarkasm

24 Jan 2021, 07:42 #

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Mashvat

PRO

29 Jan 2021, 02:36 #

I opened the list of actors and immediately found her, they were looking for her badly)

Resiente

21 Jan 2021, 01:00 #

@bakishova29: in the first episode, 3 sisters come down the stairs and then they call Daphne

Hellotati

24 Jan 2021, 01:15 #

I don't remember her. 😅

Muffin24

24 Jan 2021, 21:28 #

@bakishova29: In episode 4, Eloise was writing a letter to Francesca (16 minutes, if anyone is interested), her younger sister came up to her back then and asked what she was doing. Eloise replied that she was writing to Francesca, what an annoying bore Hyacinth was.
Francesca is just the 4th sister. I thought she was studying somewhere or visiting. We should see it next season.

tea_strange

PRO

10 Mar 22:27 #

They mentioned that Francesca was going to study piano, I think to her aunt.

karinasalii

PRO

27 Jan 2021, 03:11 #

@bakishova29: The eighth child, daughter Francesca, was featured in Episode 1 and was mentioned later

Julberrypie

12 Jan 2021, 23:45 #

It seems like it's from a book by Lisa Klepais that everything is just so familiar!

I kind of like the duke, but still such a dissonance for me, my brain just refuses to perceive it , even as fiction...

adamant95

28 Jan 2021, 19:43 #

The series is based on the books by Julia Queen. The books of both writers are very similar)

Rina_Quinn

PRO

14 Jan 2021, 00:34 #

Shondaland cannot exist without drama)) Simon should have already opened up to Daphne, and solved this problem with conversations. although she can also be understood, she initially said that she wanted a big family, and in such a large castle, when her husband is constantly busy with something, she will quickly get tired of talking to the maids, but still without his consent, roughly speaking, it's too much to rape, and he clearly outlined everything to her on the shore They say you and I are a family, that's all

And now I wonder what Colin will do? will he leave Marina or go against everyone 🤔

TheSimok

08 Sep 2022, 08:32 #

@Rina_Quinn: Shondaland was based on dramas))
I saw a screensaver in the first episode and approximate plots have already appeared in my head. She knows how to play an exciting melodrama!

podsolncem

17 Jan 2021, 18:33 #

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holly_sun

26 Feb 2021, 05:36 #

@podsolncem: an iteration. Despite the fact that she married him to herself and promised that she would agree to live without children. I am always amazed at the ability of such madams to turn out everything for a man and leave him to flow with guilt 🤷

CatsGrin

12 Mar 2021, 00:17 #

@holly_sun: I promised because he said he COULDN't have children, not just didn't want to. These are very, very different things.

rigiylutik

03 Dec 2022, 10:26 #

@podsolncem: Those who died in childbirth were usually those who had a narrow pelvis or a tendency to bleed, as a rule. Considering that, the weight of infants at that time was about 2200-2500 maximum. I will keep silent about sanitation. Daphne's mother gave birth to 8 children, how many children there could have died in infancy is not known. but PELVIC heredity is on the face

aosxx

18 Jan 2021, 01:11 #

and yet, during the last scene, I shed tears, the characters are just impressed, although yes, fortunately, there is still no child, since not both spouses agreed to this

LeraTitunina

21 Jan 2021, 06:56 #

If someone watched Gossip Girl, then this is her counterpart in this era)) But overall, it's interesting
I think Elaisa may be the "gossip girl"...

LeraTitunina

21 Jan 2021, 07:21 #

A very cool series, recommend a similar one.

lavrinmarina

31 Jan 2021, 04:01 #

Vanity Fair (2018), I think, is similar. And Gossip Girl was mentioned here

TerraDi

24 May 2022, 16:25 #

They recommend me to watch the Tudors. But I don't sit down for them in any way 😂

WhyGodWhy

29 Jan 2021, 00:30 #

Eloise, with her facial expressions and getting into ridiculous situations during investigations, resembles Stiles from the wolf cub)

Nadalz

31 May 10:47 #

@WhyGodWhy: Precisely! Thanks! I still couldn't catch that comparison! =))

elizabeth_moor

29 Jan 2021, 03:45 #

THIS SERIES BREAKS MY HEART 💔💔💔

OlgaWezer

01 Feb 2021, 23:45 #

I became terribly annoyed with Daphne. I didn't think she could be so bitchy.

ScarlettLine

02 Feb 2021, 20:49 #

Какая-то новая версия Вивальди) Four seasons: Bridgerton edition

amersan

15 May 2022, 09:03 #

Summer 3 от Max Richter & Daniel Hope & Raphael Alpermann & Konzerthaus Kammerorchester Berlin & André De.

Eviltea97

03 Feb 2021, 23:52 #

The ending kept me in emotional tension. Uhh. The last episode remains.

msSomnium

04 Feb 2021, 05:08 #

It's not like that for Daphne! Either a husband should be found sooner, faster, or now a child should be conceived immediately. Damn, what's the hurry, hello?
I'm already tired of my tantrums.

It's a pity that Simon can't tell his story to his wife until the end. Only in fits and starts.

hirondelle_

04 Feb 2021, 06:39 #

@Yuliyatabaka: What else should she do? Since childhood, she has been prepared for the fact that the main goal of her life is to get married successfully and start a family, which is what she does. Plus, the sooner you start giving birth, the more children you have and the more likely it is that not everyone will die. And that you won't die while you're young and healthy.

PersianCat

10 Feb 2021, 12:19 #

@Yuliyatabaka: I mean, where's the hurry?
This is not 2021, where you can take your time and not get married at all. It's a shame to remain an old maid, especially with younger sisters, who also need to be settled the sooner the better.

alaskayass

05 Feb 2021, 05:23 #

AHHH, I LIKE EVERYTHING!
A very cool series, have a nice evening!))

Sana_the_Owl

05 Feb 2021, 23:59 #

It's a pity that Daphne is not pregnant. It remains to be hoped that one day she will become a mother (I'm sure she would be a good mother)

Eloise and her spontaneity and refusal to walk the path that society has prepared for her is love.

Evelynx

08 Mar 2021, 01:09 #

@Ksenia_Oo: considering that this is Shondaland, then it could be ... Pa-pa-pa-pa-PA... Miscarriage! XD After which she will not be able to have children!

Sana_the_Owl

05 Feb 2021, 23:59 #

I wonder if Marina will die or be saved...

Necromantica

PRO

08 Feb 2021, 04:15 #

I like everything, but this conflict out of nothing about children is very annoying. That's really give Daphne children right away, maybe if they had lived for a couple of years, Simon would have changed his mind himself, but this imposition looks disgusting((

empty24on7

08 Feb 2021, 22:09 #

This episode broke my fucking heart.

yyasha

12 Feb 2021, 03:30 #

Саймон по сути повторяет ошибку своего отца - думает о себе, не учитывая интересы жены, единолично принимает решение. Только ситуация обратная.

pon4ic

23 Feb 2021, 02:27 #

@yyasha: Саймон заранее предупреждал, что детей не будет, и Дафна согласилась с этим. странно сейчас закатывать скандалы на эту тему.

vita_dr

24 Feb 2021, 00:51 #

I'm sorry, of course, but Daphne is starting to annoy. She almost raped her husband, all she does is demand children, she does not want to understand and figure out why her husband is so set up, does not want to give him time, but only stomps her foot. I understand what a time it was for women, I understand that she wants children, but it all looks ridiculous, considering that Simon warned her in advance, and she agreed with this outcome, even got used to this idea, and in this episode she sobs. Yes, not the best reason not to have children, but not the worst either. I am glad that the child, after all, has not been made yet. And in general, I'm tired of looking at their quarrels and copulation, I want to look at other characters already

Evelynx

08 Mar 2021, 01:12 #

@vita_dr: учитывая то, что это любовный роман уровня бульварного чтива - тут просто по канону обязаны мнение любого мужика насильно изменять тонким убеждением (сарказм) и изящной (сарказм) манипуляцией. и в итоге мужик обязан раскаяться, что был не прав и вообще никакое его мнение не имеет значения, если его жена не одобряет.

lelialetnis

04 Mar 2021, 02:40 #

Какая сильная сцена в конце!
Вообще, персонаж Дафны - лучшая героиня ever 🙏 Часто женские персонажи раздражающие и нелогичные, тут же мое восхищение! Безупречна!

Екатерина_Усенко

PRO

06 Mar 2021, 02:15 #

Разговор Дафны и Герцога после того как она пришла с вечера замужних дам, просто шикарен. Она шикарна. Её слова ему об отце и о его клятве - это просто итог моих мыслей на протяжении всех серий после такого как мы узнали о клятве! Только у меня в голове и на языке было очень много эмоций и мыслей в перемешку, а она все собрала воедино и подытожила!

princessirina97

27 Mar 2021, 13:42 #

Как всё быстро меняется: то они счастливые до головокружения, то а их отношениях полная анархия

mr_coconut

27 Mar 2021, 20:39 #

Ребят, вы так интересно осуждаете Дафну за ее горе отсутствия беременности и возмущение обманом (да, «не могу» и «не хочу» — это обман). Как будто Саймон обозначил ей все условия совместной жизни ещё когда у неё была куча вариантов.

Нет, он долгое время флиртовал с этой юной девушкой, которая ничего не знает об отношениях и реальном мире — даже сам признался, что его сначала бесило то, какая она молодая и наивная. Саймон знал, что он не сможет дать Дафне счастливую жизнь, но все равно окучивал ее и первым сорвался в саду.

Взрослый и опытный человек в этой ситуации Саймон. Он довёл их отношения до точки невозврата (сад), и уже только на грани смерти (своей) и вечного позора и невозможности найти мужа после скандала (Дафны) признался, что никаких детей у них не будет. В контексте «теперь я, конечно, твой единственный шанс, но я тебя слишком уважаю и поэтому ТОЛЬКО СЕЙЧАС говорю тебе, что не видать тебе со мной заветного семейного счастья». И даже тут, при ОЧЕНЬ запоздалом признании, он ей солгал.

Короче, не перевирайте события так, будто Дафна изначально знала, на что шла. Она не знала. Она видела, что герцог в ней заинтересован, и не предполагала, что у него есть тараканы о мести отцу. Она узнала о принципах герцога в плане детей только тогда, когда других вариантов у неё в принципе-то не оставалось. Это не добровольное осознанное согласие. Узнай она раньше, скорее всего, выбрала бы принца и жила бы счастливо.

Помимо обмана было сокрытие до удобного момента

SagaraLewis

20 May 2021, 02:17 #

@mr_coconut: хочу поставить вам много плюсов, жаль, что можно лишь один

Saken90

22 Aug 2021, 03:48 #

@mr_coconut: Вы прям прочли мои мысли и причем все.

Ayumi

19 Apr 2022, 19:57 #

@mr_coconut: Мне Саймон не нравится с первой серии, он же козел и ни разу не показал обратного. Почему им тут так восхищаются? Только из-за смазливого лица и показной сексуальности?

IzaGorg

18 Apr 2021, 13:43 #

У них столько любви и страсти, но они всё равно не способны разумно обсудить их проблему, найти какие-то компромиссы и прийти к здравому решению.

vk575309

06 May 2021, 04:57 #

Хочется заметить, насколько образ Элоизы на концерте ее изменил, показал ее именно красивой девушкой, невестой, а не подростком.

А ещё я все жду, что Дафна предложит Марине забрать ребёнка, если первой он так нужен, а второй нет.

olichka_kk

25 May 2021, 13:19 #

Уже несколько серий кажется что это Пенелопа пишет статьи , ну вот прям предчувствие . Надеюсь в последнем серии покажут

Zoyarekomendyet

23 Oct 2021, 04:40 #

Какая же все там клятва Саймона тупая 🤦🏼‍♀️

JeRa30

24 Oct 2021, 17:44 #

Она замужем две недели, нахера ей сдался этот ребёнок

Kreado

27 Jan 2022, 23:07 #

Элоиза очаровательная! Я понимаю, что актриса сильно старше юной девушки, роль которой играет, но Боги всех миров! Девушка очаровательна!

И мне бесконечно жаль Дафну. Яркая, наивная и пронзительная... Боги, она же абсолютно не была подготовлена к жизни! Она многое не знала и... как же хочется её обнять.

Очень надеюсь на то, что всё будет хорошо.

Vlado4ka-

20 Feb 2022, 14:02 #

It reminded me of twilight, when Edward didn't want a baby, and Bella needed one, but seriously, Daphne just needs to give Simon time. He wasn't going to get married either))))))) and here it's just a honeymoon, and all she thinks about is the kids.

nuwandarenton

24 Apr 2022, 18:55 #

конфликт саймона и дафны о детях как-то высосан из пальца, раздражает

rouge_g

27 Apr 2022, 04:08 #

Полностью согласна с мнением и обидой Дафны.
Такое впечатление, что Герцог-малолетний ребёнок🤷‍♀️
Языка типо у него нет вообще, обьяснить нормально хотя бы не дано свою позицию и её причину изначально.
Если уж на то пошло, то он на дуэли сказал, что он НЕ МОЖЕТ иметь детей, а не что он не хочет и не имеет значения знала она откуда дети берутся или нет, если бы даже она знала, то согласилась она до того как имела возможность понять истинную причину, будь то болезнь или хотелки. И он ещё типо и обижен?!😠

КсюшаГарифзянова

21 Jun 2022, 00:08 #

Повернутая на ребёнке. Наслаждалась бы мужиком, пока свободны. Медовый месяц на то и две 😂

КсюшаГарифзянова

21 Jun 2022, 13:16 #

Ну с другой стороны, ей ведь никто не рассказал, что можно им наслаждаться 🤔

rigiylutik

03 Dec 2022, 10:29 #

все чаще думаю, что сплетница - та сестра Пенелопы, любительницы сыра, чьего жениха просто прогнали

id455758062

21 May 2023, 20:54 #

Какие у Дафны красивые платья 😍

zolanskiasya

15 Jun 2023, 10:48 #

Всем, кто рассуждает о сплетнице 🤔 Разве в этой серии не дали понять, что сплетница - это портниха?

fairyfoxxy

28 May 06:48 #

Whistledown is either Penelope (which I'm leaning towards) or a dressmaker. Penelope is well-read, she can explain herself well, she goes to all receptions, but she was not at the royal one, therefore she had nothing to write about him + she knew about Marina's pregnancy.
The dressmaker, on the other hand, does not go to receptions, but has big ears, a lot of women go to her to dress and, obviously, gossip is discussed there every minute, and she also measured Marina and could well have noticed how her stomach was growing.

Intrigue

glitterbabyss01

15 Jun 08:55 #

The most repulsive character in the whole story is Marina. they are trying to help her, to meet her halfway, but she takes everything for granted and still dares to say something in her position.) what kind of egoist to look for, the audacity is completely insane

tamucca

PRO

20 Jun 17:38 #

I'm 99% sure that Penelope is the gossip girl.

Nastusha92

22 Jun 11:42 #

I'm reviewing it again and this time Daphne is insanely annoying. Straight dumb pi**a in all its glory🤷😄

Шпрот

11 Jul 21:05 #

Daphne: You disgust me!
Daphne in 5 seconds: I want you

pavlentosik

Yesterday, 20:40 #

watching the series for the second time and after the story of Queen Charlotte, I already smiled when Daphne ran into the garden at a tea party and there was this wall, the very wall that Charlotte did not climb🥹💔

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