Ohh, the most psychedelic series. Despite the fact that some moments in the series in the last episode were not revealed, I am glad that at the end they mentioned the whole topic with Arina and her mother, and also said about the son of a policeman
tatrati
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26 Feb 2021, 00:33 # Show original
@destiel2003: an interesting way, by the way, was chosen for the story about Arina...
Brooke_Harper
28 Feb 2021, 12:15 # Show original
@destiel2003: for some reason, I was alarmed that she told her mother: "quiet, let the adults talk." it's good that at least this was explained.
Stilzchen
17 Jul 2022, 17:48 # Show original
@Brooke_Harper: Yes. I noticed it too. I really thought about mysticism. That the witch really took away her daughter's youth. And here's that...
jromenskaya
25 Feb 2021, 04:12 # Show original
Execute, not pardon - the first thoughts that came to me after this series ended. I knew that finals are extremely rare, but there was still hope. However, I want to note the camerawork, it is, anyway - fire!
vk775121
26 Feb 2021, 06:03 # Show original
@jromenskaya: the series was very successful ) there are only a couple of joints )
fuck_hum_lo
12 Mar 2021, 00:14 # Show original
@vk775121: which ones?
felixxx
09 Mar 2021, 03:55 # Show original
@jromenskaya: by the way, I also want to say that the camerawork is on the level, for the first time I thought about it and praised the operator (s))) still so connected with a brilliant installation (even the drawing was added)
somethingblednoe
20 Mar 2021, 21:49 # Show original
I think the final was a success, but not many people understood the meaning.
Leyton
25 Mar 2021, 15:30 # Show original
@somethingblednoe: Very few. And it's sad.
KT_YURINA
07 Oct 2022, 19:55 # Show original
@somethingblednoe: please share what you have understood so that those who have not understood can also understand.
suamortes
07 Oct 11:09 # Show original
They won't share it, because they didn't understand anything themselves.
gloredel
25 Feb 2021, 04:12 # Show original
Very interesting, but nothing is clear)
syedin
25 Feb 2021, 04:14 # Show original
Glukhovsky deceived everyone. He quickly explained to everyone about the Afterlife, then set off on a false trail with a combination and water, in order to eventually close the circle. A masterful job, a brilliant finale.
vk775121
26 Feb 2021, 06:04 # Show original
@syedin: didn't deceive me) they died for the first time minutes of the series, the events in Moscow and after that is the way of dead souls) they repeated as if the last days and were looking for shelter )
foggy_march
01 Mar 2021, 03:36 # Show original
Let's say Katya was poisoned by pills, and Daoud killed Elya. And how are the others? Sonya could have been hit by a car when she got out of her father's car. And Denis and Koltsov, how did they die?
a1116285
01 Mar 2021, 11:40 # Show original
Denis is suffering from an illness. And how Koltsov died is really unclear((
marrrgo
03 Mar 2021, 23:37 # Show original
Didn't they die when they arrived in the swamps? Otherwise, why was that first scene?
foggy_march
27 Mar 2021, 00:32 # Show original
@AngryRaccoon: so the commentator above writes that they died before the meeting in Moscow and the train)
DariaSlkv
29 Apr 2023, 16:23 # Show original
I understand that I am answering after so much time, but I would like to suggest that Koltsov is something like an angel or a kind entity. He went with them as a "defender", resisted the diabolical forces to the last, tried to get to the truth, but in the end he was just as "seduced" and trapped as those whom he had to pull out. Maybe that's why he's been saying since the first episode that he likes clean and immaculate girls.
agoryacheva98
25 Feb 2021, 04:16 # Show original
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milyoy
25 Feb 2021, 17:55 #
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id419194140
25 Feb 2021, 19:27 # Show original
The cut. There's been one there since 9 a.m.
nekniga
25 Feb 2021, 04:16 # Show original
I knew it would be like in AIU. The whole treshak in the last episode. Oh, it's painful.
tolmachovk
27 Feb 2021, 03:08 # Show original
@nekniga: what is the aiu?
xaozz
27 Feb 2021, 03:16 # Show original
@tolmachovk: American Horror Story
tolmachovk
27 Feb 2021, 22:27 # Show original
@xaozz: thank you)
Adeilatt
25 Feb 2021, 04:18 # Show original
Since the first episode, the phrase has been spinning in my head: so many questions and so few answers. This series squared her off.
Re1denshi
25 Feb 2021, 18:41 #
@Adeilatt: В круг)
АнютаЛьвова
25 Feb 2021, 23:42 # Show original
Into Infinity)
vk775121
26 Feb 2021, 06:04 # Show original
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Rielsey
25 Feb 2021, 04:18 # Show original
Yes, it's not for nothing that the final song that sounds during the credits is "It seems to you". Each of the characters, in fact, chose to remain at the mercy of their delusions. Probably, the only way out is death, so only Elya, the convicts and the military were conditionally "saved", and even then by the will of the owner. And maybe Denis. Sonya swam out - but in vain ... from the train running in a circle around the Marshes, goosebumps.
It turned out to be a complex, rather ambiguous and yes, very psychedelic series, but it was memorable and hooked. It was shot cool and stylish. And there is something to think about. I think there will be a lot of theories about "what they really wanted to say in the Swamps" :))
MDHouse
26 Feb 2021, 01:03 # Show original
Only the prisoners didn't die, they were in suits at the banquet
ikartavykh
27 Feb 2021, 07:11 # Show original
@MDHouse: we were near our coffins, trying on costumes, so we died.
Florance
22 Sep 2021, 11:02 # Show original
The priest was also finally released.
flushkin
25 Feb 2021, 04:24 # Show original
And who noticed that Glukhovsky himself was sitting at the table in the monastery? I thought it would be the Last Supper, but there are two sides to it, so it turned out a little more interesting...
mavlytovfagiz
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25 Feb 2021, 04:36 # Show original
@flushkin: interesting seating at the table. The one for the owner is to the left of him, and the one against the right.
Жося
25 Feb 2021, 21:24 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: but the holy father is on the left, and he is not for the master
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 22:34 # Show original
@Josya: for, takes the money and begs for his sins.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 22:38 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: Arina (mother) gives her daughter water and gives her everything, she did not speak against the owner
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 03:06 # Show original
@Maxq32: Speaking out, she helped the Afghan and Max.
Jesse
PRO
27 Feb 2021, 01:54 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: the owner's son was sitting on the right. Is He against him, too?
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
27 Feb 2021, 02:09 # Show original
@Jesse: here's an interesting moment with him) the way he looks, reacts and behaves quite hints that he is not a supporter of his father's methods.
karalex
23 Mar 2021, 02:25 # Show original
@Josya: What kind of holy father - there were no Catholic priests there!
fireside
25 Feb 2021, 04:25 # Show original
That's what I understand-hopelessness, otherwise you can't call everything that happened...
anglchloe
25 Feb 2021, 04:28 # Show original
that's the conclusion: never drink water from the car of left - hand drivers
Heisen_berg
26 Feb 2021, 08:22 # Show original
@anglchloe: don't drink Ivanushka, you'll become a goat. (C) Alyonushka
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 19:20 # Show original
@Heisen_berg: there is a feeling that the series is a reference to the world of Russian fairy tales, especially to the Lukomorye.
There is a tree (oak) that catches the Internet, there is a mermaid, a goblin(the owner of the forest), a witch.
Heisen_berg
26 Feb 2021, 23:59 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: yes, if you think about it, there are references to everything that you can think of))
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
27 Feb 2021, 00:41 # Show original
@Heisen_berg: of course there are a lot of semantic layers, but not so much.
Heisen_berg
27 Feb 2021, 07:11 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: this was not said literally, but yes, by force of imagination, you can find many references that even Glukhovsky did not think about. It's just that the audience is very resourceful))0)
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 02:15 # Show original
@Heisen_berg: well, he absorbed the cultural code of Russia and quite unconsciously could have made some references. And the same fairy tales are taken from life and are known-they are still popular for a reason.
Andrake
25 Feb 2021, 04:29 # Show original
There are more questions than answers. The journalist could not do this for character development, they merged the hero stupidly
glado044
25 Feb 2021, 04:39 # Show original
Oh, and Elya could,right?) There are too many questions left here
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 04:57 # Show original
@Andrake: Why couldn't I?
He was shown as a careerist who drowned not for the truth, but for fame and girls. He even went to this temple to ingratiate himself with Denis in a friendly way and hand over material about him.
Andrake
25 Feb 2021, 18:21 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: well, he refused to curry favor and dig under him, and went to make good material, but it turned out that he sold himself for money
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 19:22 # Show original
@Andrake: I went to dig for good stuff too. He did not warn Denis that he was going to write material about him, but quietly dug up material on him in order to release it later and become famous.
otterstern
26 Feb 2021, 21:51 # Show original
@Andrake: Yes, where did he refuse? as he was corrupt and lustful from the very beginning, he remained so. Its ending is very logical.
nurie
14 Jul 2022, 02:33 # Show original
Yeah, there was no development at all. What you were, that's how you stayed, as they say.I also decided that I was on the path of correction, but oops.
I liked his interpretation of events: no "Battle of psychics", a solid "Duty unit". That's five! Who would have thought that a journalist (humanitarian), and not a programmer (technician), would turn out to be a convinced materialist.😉
Huizhopa
25 Feb 2021, 04:38 # Show original
It 's all bullshit , it turns out to be water It 's such a shame to understand that in fact the story is simple and , moreover , it is possible to see it in some places (survive 2 ) , and all the small details were just traps for building theories . The most banal and boring theory about water did not even deserve discussion . But the genius of the writer 's thought , the father of the Russian post - apocalypse , decided that hell , purgatory , and afterlife are not as interesting as fucking water and allusions to political construction in our country . Although it's worth noting that the moment with Arina is really strong. But hence the sin immediately (if the journalist saw Katya's true face , then why didn't he see her mother instead of Arina?) The whole openness of the ending is in a looped train , which in fact is the same trap as teleportation , an accident and other moments . The only thing that pleased me was that many of the theories that people put forward under the past series were confirmed .
Or maybe I 'm wrong and the heroes are really dead , there is no water , this is hell , and Glukhovsky has outplayed everyone
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 05:53 # Show original
@Huizhopa: Yeah, the simplest one, of course. I voiced it only two episodes before the end. Before that, there were only versions about purgatory. So most of them did not accept it and found confirmation even of this. The excellent storyline kept me in suspense and ambiguity until the last moment. Especially thanks to the cool acting of Maxim Sukhanov.
liliyamonti
25 Feb 2021, 20:12 # Show original
@Huizhopa: I don't know if you've watched it, but remember, there was a series in the second season of the Leftovers series (I recommend) when a GG policeman temporarily falls into the afterlife, where everyone lives a new life, where their dreams came true, etc., the main condition: those who drank the water there stay there forever, they begin to forget themselves during their lifetime and merge into the illusory world of afterlife.
So do not draw unambiguous conclusions, because everything here is dual: afterlife, purgatory, hell, and water. This is a kind of branch of the afterlife - the village of Topi, which seems to be there, but it does not seem to be there.
So everything is true in the finale: both the afterlife and the chemical water. Such is death!
Everything is clear and incomprehensible at the same time, this is an allusion to Russian reality, and Russian nonsense, and the illusory nature of religion, and everyday realism, and surrealism - everything is intertwined and draws people there.
And I think Denis was able to escape from this limbo, as well as Elya. So those who died in the end - those who woke up after the accident and do not remember the events of the series, and those who survived in the series - remained in the Swamps, and died in the accident. Such things.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 22:36 # Show original
@liliyamonti: based on what information did you decide that those who died in the Swamp woke up after the accident?
liliyamonti
25 Feb 2021, 23:34 # Show original
this is just a theory)). Only Glukhovsky knows the truth
InnaMokrousova
26 Feb 2021, 00:46 # Show original
This theory with water reminds me of the waters of the river Styx or Lethe, souls also come there to drink water and forget themselves
liliya123
26 Feb 2021, 01:47 # Show original
I want to believe it too. And judging by the landing in the car, they have the best chance, if I remember correctly.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 02:17 # Show original
@InnaMokrousova: only those rivers come to lose their memory, and here, rather, on the contrary, to return what is left in memory.
Russllann
07 Aug 2021, 10:52 # Show original
@liliyamonti: That's crazy. It is necessary to answer all the questions in the end
Florance
22 Sep 2021, 11:08 # Show original
Those who died in the Swamps most likely moved on. The master released their souls from purgatory. No one survived the accident.
somethingblednoe
20 Mar 2021, 21:53 # Show original
Lol. The problem is not the water. This is purgatory. Dante. Katya disappeared (she was pumped out), and then died of old age. Denis was also pumped out (and he died of old age again). Sonya decided to stay in purgatory on her own. And the reporter was discovered, his whole rotten soul. Pedophilia and venality. He had plans for pedophilia at the very beginning of his reasoning, purgatory only revealed them.
orranj
PRO
18 Sep 2022, 17:40 # Show original
@somethingblednoe: I'm sorry to ask this question after a year and a half, but suddenly you still remember the plot well) where is it shown that Denis died of old age? or in your theory, is Denis the one-eyed man who hung out with the adult Katya? it seems to me that Denis did die at the age at which he arrived in the Swamp - in the scene when Sonya and Max run through the monastery, they run through the room in which Denis is being buried
hristos_69
25 Feb 2021, 04:40 # Show original
I feel like that train that goes around in circles and won't find the end point, asking myself a million questions. Well, to be honest - vatafak?
camgormon
25 Feb 2021, 04:51 # Show original
Mdaa...))))
glado044
25 Feb 2021, 04:54 # Show original
I'll try to write a sober impression after watching it.I was wondering how to get out of Glukhovskaya, hallucinations, or some kind of hell and mysticism.The first way came out, the water was still to blame.And here I'm disappointed, because there are so many plot holes left.There are a lot of scenes that either turned out to be meaningless, or it's very difficult to explain them.Glukhovsky seems to have got out of it, interestingly turning the plot, and it seems to have driven him into a kind of cliche, while placing a very strong emphasis on him throughout the series.By the way, I was surprised to see Dmitry at the same table with the heroes. Now about the questions. Maybe someone will answer.Why was the owner calling for his mother and what was that scene in the monastery with his grandmother?Why is the cop sitting in the village?After all, he's staying somewhere, so he's leaving it.Because of a hallucination-a son?How could someone who was the master control the hallucination when he changed his face near the circle, how did he control people, how did Denis get this pain in his head?How did the priest hang himself and not die?How does the host teleport to the church?Why did no one even try to leave there at all, if, as we were shown from above, the space is not looped?And a billion more questions, which unfortunately formed plot holes.They just make it difficult to understand what happened in the end) I probably liked the series more than not, but I expected more from the ending
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 05:48 # Show original
@glado044: There are no holes at all. Everything is explained by hallucinations. So this is his mother because. The cop works at this site, and lives in this village. Yes, he goes out and hallucinates only when he wants to. Because tarit leaves another water. They said that. That's why he doesn't have more hallucinations. Denis is under toxic water. He was told that there is no pain because of the intoxication with water, he does not feel it anyway. But the brain couldn't accept it until the owner said so. Why leave if everything suits you? Max decided not to leave even by car.
glado044
25 Feb 2021, 17:19 # Show original
And how do you explain the double accident scene?Hallucinations explain everything, how cheap it turns out
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 19:54 # Show original
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Kristya578
22 Mar 2021, 18:29 # Show original
Why, they drank the water in the car. Only 2 people drank it and, accordingly, the reality was different for everyone. Hence the double scene)
Meloman_Nastena
21 Oct 2021, 21:54 # Show original
In general, many glitches were shown only by Denis, who was also on pills. The other trips were caught to a lesser extent.
somethingblednoe
20 Mar 2021, 21:57 # Show original
So it's not all about hallucinations. This is purgatory. Dante. Katya was pumped out after the accident, she died in old age and got there again. Denis was also pumped out, he also died of old age. Sonya decided to stay in purgatory with her sister. If you look closely, there are Katya and Denis, who have grown old. The convicts died completely (you can see them putting on tuxedos, and coffins next to them). And so on.
love_1411
06 Apr 2022, 11:00 # Show original
So far, this is the most logical explanation 👌🏻😅
29zero8
23 Sep 2022, 10:49 # Show original
And where is Denis the aged?
29zero8
23 Sep 2022, 10:50 # Show original
In the scenes where the convicts put on tuxedos, Denis is buried, so what happens in the end
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 05:08 # Show original
In principle, Glukhovsky said everything himself a long time ago. It turns out)
— What is a Swamp, how did you come up with this place? — The swamps are an inverted reflection of the metropolis, primarily Moscow. Moscow and the urban space for a conditional Muscovite or St. Petersburg resident, young, firmly on his feet, confident, is an understandable space, he clearly knows the rules of functioning of this place. This is a space of materialistic culture, a logarithmic space, accessible to understanding. But there is also Chthonic Russia, provincial, located outside the cities of millions, it is not subject to any clear logarithm, it cannot be put into formulas understandable to an urban dweller.
A lot of things that have absolute value in the city are not perceived as something real in the outback. Especially if we take Moscow — it is a kind of kingdom of life, the kingdom of Eros, where the very thought, the memory that people are mortal and finite, is rejected. Moscow is a holiday that is always with you, although it will continue even if you are gone. But the space beyond the MKAD is the realm of Thanatos, a space where death is often much more real and convincing than life. Where people cling to life much less, because it is not so interesting and bright, but death is the real thing that happens to everyone irreversibly. Therefore, people live in anticipation of it. Like the Mexicans, in whose culture death plays almost a more important role than life.
Swamps are the place where the rules stop being followed, and some stories related to the fabulous, the irrational, and the subconscious begin to work.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 05:41 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: We drank some water too)
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 06:03 # Show original
"From my point of view, a Russian is no different from an American, from a Frenchman. All this crap that we are genetically slaves is to throw it away and forget it forever. We are not slaves at all. We were born with the same desire for freedom and self-respect as all people. It's just that the pattern of society management that is applied to us knocks these qualities out of us during our lifetime. The new generation will be born as dreamers and freedom lovers, as is typical for any person. And Western countries did not immediately come to this. But the flourishing of culture, art, and science is possible only in conditions of freedom. Only in conditions of freedom does a person want and can realize himself. When 140 million people do not sit and do not think where to steal a piece of non-ferrous scrap, but think about what their purpose is and how to implement it, the synergy of their life aspirations leads to the development of the country.
So do not take the models that I describe as a prognosis and a verdict — it is rather a diagnosis that should make the reader or viewer want to self-medicate."
(c) Glukhovsky
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 06:21 # Show original
Surprisingly, it turns out there is a Swamp universe and there was even a short film in it. https://youtu.be/hYBoKJkZha8
_Mia_Wallace_
25 Feb 2021, 17:57 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: Just in the final episode, the boy is watching this short film "Sulfur".
mber654
25 Feb 2021, 05:17 # Show original
It seems to me that the final should be interpreted as follows: everyone got what they wanted. And we, as the audience, in the person of each hero, got the ending we wanted. It is quite in the spirit of Glukhovsky to give such a finale.
Everything is cool in the series except for the word "FAK".. Does someone really swear like that outside of the show biz? I have never heard from my friends, native Muscovites, please note. Well, you have no restrictions on the mat, and you actively and appropriately apply it throughout the series, but for some reason there is this ridiculous "fact"..
glado044
25 Feb 2021, 05:30 # Show original
Well, rarely, but I hear exactly how "they say that."
mber654
25 Feb 2021, 05:40 # Show original
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srubeski
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 15:41 # Show original
@mber654: how thin this line is, however, because at the age of 24, I'm probably already from the generation who often hears and uses it in real life :))
Elka
25 Feb 2021, 17:27 # Show original
@mber654: I'm 35 and I can hear and use
Mm_girl
02 May 2021, 02:46 # Show original
@glado044: I'm in my 30s and I hear and I use. and since Masyanin's time (hello, oldies!) I also often say: "fakin fakin" - when it's completely rubbish. :D
no0matter
06 Mar 2021, 07:34 # Show original
Dolgopolov even has a crackdown on this, that he is used in Moscow to constantly use "fac" as "damn" and not perceive it as rudeness, and then you get facked abroad... so, it's just quite appropriate) I'm surprised that the commentaries are almost always good and people were confused by such details, because the whole game of many actors bothered me and very often. I finished it thank God
Rielsey
25 Feb 2021, 05:18 # Show original
By the way, in addition to water, there is another recurring symbol - circles. There are prisoners in the circle, calling it "will", although in fact it is the same prison, there is a railway around the Marshes, even Arina's mother has a round pool in which she hides her true face and body. Everyone who runs away from some problem of his own (and this is not only all five main characters, but, as the last minutes of the last series showed, everyone left in the Swamps in general) gets into a circle where his problem, as it seems to him, either does not exist, or, as in some cases, for example, Katya's, on the contrary, is so large that it takes up their entire life. And everyone decides to stay. He doesn't even try to get out of the vicious circle. As the owner said, who probably is also not the owner of this place, but one of the stuck people: "I'm not holding anyone, they don't want to leave themselves."
exterminate3
PRO
02 May 2021, 14:57 # Show original
And Max's last name is Koltsov.
Fhsys
30 Apr 2023, 08:38 # Show original
Awesome yeah
veer
25 Feb 2021, 05:18 # Show original
The beginning with crazy Denis is disturbing! When Sonya went to open the closet to the creepy sounds, it was very scary. A creep gathering at the table, as if it happened, they kind of arrived, the table was like after a get-together.
Denis unexpectedly ridiculously gave a spoon to Maxim's forehead!) And then what horror began with escapes around the monastery, a very frightening and fascinating picture of a nightmare! The cars have a mega tense scene, it was scarier for Sonya, this moment with her hair, as if he already imagined what kind of worms would come out of her head.
I knew that Denis would come to his senses, it was not for nothing that at the beginning of the series they showed the situation as with a social network, that he was fighting the system, and this moment with a screwdriver, and hands in his eyes, already his heart was pounding harder! I knew that Arina was a mother, and a daughter in an inflatable pool! And many people were right about the water! And Sonya will never leave! Emotions are overwhelming, I really liked the series, I waited painfully for the last two episodes, the actors all played their roles amazingly! All the nerves are tickled, I'm impressed!
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 05:35 # Show original
@veer: Denis didn't fight. He said that he had deceived everyone and in fact had already agreed with everyone a long time ago.
InnaMokrousova
26 Feb 2021, 00:50 # Show original
I think there have already been such gatherings at the table. In the first episode, the station showed a lot of ads about missing people. I wonder where they are. Everyone died or turned into those old men who walk through the Swamps on automatic
kinosha
26 Feb 2021, 01:28 # Show original
Everyone went to feed the fish.
ЛенкаПтица
09 Apr 2021, 11:05 # Show original
And for me, this feast was clearly associated with a wake
nurie
14 Jul 2022, 03:18 # Show original
Denis in this fur coat is not himself, nervous and mannered. It's like he's really nuts. He hugged Maxim so touchingly at the beginning, for a second it seemed that he would even kiss him. 🤭 Right out of the blue! And then, in general, it's all leopard madness: a rifle, shots, laughter...
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 05:31 # Show original
Denis was running from death. Max ran away from the editor-in-chief, who forced him to write jaundice. Elya fled from Daoud, who forced her to live according to the laws of the tradition of her people. Sonya was running away from her father, who was telling her how to live.
It turns out that all the heroes fled from the "master" to freedom in their lives, but in the end they still found a new master who would solve all their problems.
Eva_4eva
02 Mar 2021, 17:47 # Show original
There is something else about Denis. He thought that he could buy everything in the world- not only for money, but even life in exchange for the lives of friends. He had to deal with it. And this is his redemption
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
05 Mar 2021, 04:02 # Show original
@Eva_4eva: when he was driving in the Swamp, he did not know that he would be offered to exchange friends for his health, so this version is past.
Florance
22 Sep 2021, 11:18 # Show original
When he was driving in the Swamp, he didn't even know that these were his friends. And they are not friends, but fellow travelers in general. As they were, they remained so by the end of the series.
nurie
14 Jul 2022, 02:45 # Show original
Yeah, it's an amazing thing: nudity, sex were in the series, but neither friendship nor love were shown. Sadness is sadness.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 05:35 # Show original
Well, as I suggested two episodes ago. Water and there is no magic. Thanks for the other ideas. It was interesting to discuss it. The series is excellent, and you can review it a second time. Cruel, yes, but at the same time with an appropriate satire on the current nature of most people. Everyone has their own key.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 05:41 # Show original
@Maxq32: water may have some role in all this mass psychosis, but it's definitely not the point.
If all this is a hallucination, then Max has not seen Sonia's sister in his life and could not see her in church (like Denis) The grandfather who died appeared. Arina, who is either old or young. An accident at the beginning that kind of happened, but it seems not. The owner changes his appearance. The circle that protected the prisoners.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 06:00 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: Arina is a mother, they said so. She is seen young under the influence of water. Well, what they see and what they don't see under these hallucinations is up to the author to decide. He decided that the way hallucinations work is his world. He explained the mechanics. He's not defending his doctorate to explain. But if you look on the Internet, there have been cases when people have seen similar hallucinations. How it works, read and study if you are interested. And this is not based on real events. Grandfather is a hallucination. The owner changed his appearance once when he suggested that he was Daoud
mavlytovfagiz
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25 Feb 2021, 06:08 # Show original
@Maxq32: Then why did Denis see her real appearance? why does Max see Katya young, but does not see Arina? He didn't drink water.
water plays a role, but it's not without magic that everything is there)
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 06:12 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: He saw and did not see Katya young. So the effect was still there. When there was no effect, I looked at Katya for those split seconds. Denis saw it because she wanted to punish him and showed herself to be real. Accept that the whole reason is in the water, there is no magic)) If there was magic Glukhovsky showed. He decided without magic. And why did you not have the main non-docking and reference to magic is the appearance of Glukhovsky at the table?)
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 06:25 # Show original
@Maxq32: so does the water do everything, or did the witch show it when she wanted to?
Glukhovsky, by the way, said that the Marshes are a fabulous place. You are drowning for water pollution in vain.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 12:01 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: She's not a witch. In the end, the policeman showed how it works. At first, a very small son appeared, then he covered galaz and a more adult appeared. Therefore, in the sex scene, she closed his eyes and then showed him the real image.
lav_lav
25 Feb 2021, 15:55 # Show original
So there is no son at all, but Arina's mother has a real image, your logic does not work and how do you explain that Sonya is traveling in a circle on a train?
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 19:53 # Show original
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ypypy28
26 Feb 2021, 03:30 # Show original
@lav_lav: Sonya just swam in the whole lake with this water, it is quite logical that she feels like she is traveling in a circle while on the train.
MikhailovTimur
26 Feb 2021, 04:03 # Show original
The brain wants to find a simple and rational explanation, and it's easy to fall for this hook. I don't think it's here, or at least it's definitely not: "And everything is clear - it's just water. Thank you goodbye"
Podarok16
26 Feb 2021, 18:55 # Show original
@ypypy28: That's how they showed us the circular railway, not with Sonya's eyes.
ypypy28
26 Feb 2021, 19:03 # Show original
@id85008995: her sister was also shown to us, as if not with her eyes, but in fact only she saw.
Maxq32
26 Feb 2021, 23:40 # Show original
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Vilgelmster
07 Mar 2021, 02:35 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: >Max had never seen Sonia's sister in his life and could not see her in church
nowhere does it say that he saw the same face as Sonya, and there was no dialogue "what does she look like" here
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
07 Mar 2021, 19:54 # Show original
@Vilgelmster: we were shown the way we were shown. He saw Sonya's sister in her guise, which Max did not see.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 05:37 # Show original
Who understood what was wrong with Katya? She drank water and sees herself as old, so maybe. But then it's not clear who she lives with, how she eats. There is an illogic here.
FireTiger
26 Feb 2021, 05:35 # Show original
@Maxq32: She drank water, washed in the bathhouse, and perhaps in the few hours she spent there, it seemed to her that during this time she had lived a lifetime in the Swamps. And she knows better how, why and with whom.
Maxq32
26 Feb 2021, 23:44 # Show original
@FireTiger: Not that with whom I meant banal physiological needs. How to sleep somewhere, eat... She's in a village where she doesn't know anyone, things are all in a suitcase.... I understand she got in touch with this grandfather who has one eye glued shut. There are many videos where they are together, she leads him by the hand.
suamortes
07 Oct 11:20 # Show original
They all washed up in the bathhouse, but only Katya got hurt, uh-huh
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 05:40 # Show original
Glukhovsky is powerful at the table and also flirts with Arina)
suamortes
07 Oct 11:20 # Show original
The director filmed himself, what's powerful? Is this the first time in history?
hard2kilI
25 Feb 2021, 05:51 #
mmmmm слив
hard2kilI
25 Feb 2021, 17:07 # Show original
everything is literally piled up in a huge pile. everything very bad is covered with more or less good, but it didn't help. guns that didn't fire and that fired for no apparent reason.
this is the moment when the audience really thinks deeper and bigger than Glukhovsky, coming up with incredible and well-founded theories supported by facts, and Glukhovsky hands them this with the words SUCK.
the causes of undisclosed conflicts? the reasons for actions for the sake of actions and signs for the sake of signs in the series? the reasons for such a mess?
I honestly admired everything at first, but in the end there was only love for the cameraman, the actors and the soundtrack.
and I honestly don't understand the people who will continue to suck out the plot and the ending after the finale, the meanings of which, as we understood, are probably not there already :)
re_player
25 Feb 2021, 06:20 # Show original
Yeah. As expected, most of the questions will be left unanswered, such as an open final and figure it out for yourself. They decided to write everything off, but in this case there are a million plot holes.
For example, if everyone has their own glitches, then why can strangers "see" other people's glitches? We were shown how Sonya hugs her sister, who is not really there. Okay, I see. And how could Denis or later Max see the same sister?
Of the same stupidities, the moment with the fact that Max was able to see Katya in her true form at the table, but he couldn't see Arina (not once). What is the logic?
Or how did the owner find out the fears of specific people in order to manipulate them? He is not a telepath (if we discard the theory that he is the devil). That is, okay, water acts as a hallucinogen, but where does he have information about everything to use this information? Well, such inconsistencies can be typed on a very large and long list.
In general, they pumped it up, and in the end it turned out to be a psychedelic zilch. Except that the actors were very pleased with the game, everything is very real. And according to the plot, a million questions both were and remained.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 06:29 # Show original
@re_player: Water is like a catalyst here. Like mana in RPG games, but those who are seen and who are not seen need to find some kind of pattern and it clearly exists.... Glukhovsky and Mirzoev couldn't have made such mistakes many times.
re_player
25 Feb 2021, 06:44 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: well, if you still allow a magical component about the afterlife, the devil, etc., then everything is fine at once. Again, if the reason for everything is water, then why not leave? Especially since the effect of water wears off over time (as we were able to see with the example of the cop). And how then do they get food in the Swamps if no one can leave the Swamps? Does the owner supply food for all of them?) There are a lot of such strange moments.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 06:52 # Show original
@re_player: we were shown a very small part of the Swamp universe and maybe everything is there. At the end, there are many unknown characters sitting at the table. The host's receiver has been somewhere all this time.
Glukhovsky said that the Swamps are a prototype of irrational Chthonic Russia and how not to understand it with the mind)
vk204527
30 Dec 2022, 00:54 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: There must be a rhythm in any music, otherwise it's a cacophony. There are problems with the rhythm here.
nikitauragan42
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 12:14 # Show original
@re_player: yes, there are a lot of strange moments, if you take the version with water. The same circle of convicts and why it was impossible for others and the owner to go there, the resurrection of the priest, the cop's partner, etc.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 19:33 # Show original
@nikitauragan42: it's not a fact that he can't log in)
Considering that the series is an allusion to reality in the outback, it is a reference to gopnik and prisons, who think that they live by their own concepts and rules. In fact, they live like this as long as they are needed and convenient, and if necessary, all their rules will be rewritten and destroyed.
ypypy28
26 Feb 2021, 03:35 # Show original
@nikitauragan42: the owner is bored, so he came up with this rule. He told Elle straight out that he could come in, but he didn't want to. He was more interested in learning more about her.
nmanasyan
25 Feb 2021, 21:42 # Show original
So Arina in her real form can only be seen during sex (as it was with Denis) or during the manifestation of some kind of lust (like Max's). No one sees her old just like that
ypypy28
26 Feb 2021, 03:33 # Show original
@re_player: Max didn't see his sister. He heard that someone was there, and asked who. Sonya replied that her Sister (she saw her), and we were immediately shown that it was the Owner who actually approached.
fs_ann
02 Mar 2021, 03:31 # Show original
We, the audience, were shown Lisa as she was, as her sister sees her. It is foolish to assume that other characters see their dead sister in the same image that Sonya sees her in. Mass hallucination works, but what other Persians see Lisa there no longer plays a role for us, the main thing is that they "see". There are so many nuances, and just let everyone write it off as plot holes) the film product is limited - time, resources, etc.
About Arina's vision. Max was obsessed with her, her beauty, it was his interest, his lust - so he saw what he wanted. What does the flash of Katya have to do with it at all..
For me personally, the ending would have been boring if everything had ended in otherworldliness and the theory that the guys had died would have been justified. And so, no, but a twist, and more or less real.
Vilgelmster
07 Mar 2021, 02:41 # Show original
@re_player: > And how could Denis or later Max see the same sister?
group hallucinations also exist in real life, as well as the ability to convince schizophrenics of their delusions. It's not that there's a discrepancy.
>>How did the host find out the fears of specific people in order to manipulate them?
he didn't even recognize it, it was enough for him to act as a catalyst for fear, and then people themselves were buggy.
>Max was able to see Katya in her true form at the table, but he couldn't see Arina (not once)
but this is really a blunder (or she is actually a witch and this is the mystical part)
Meloman_Nastena
21 Oct 2021, 22:05 # Show original
Max could partially let go, which worked on Katya, during sex Denis saw Arina alternately young and old, the flood, which also partially let go, apparently
Sab007
25 Feb 2021, 06:51 # Show original
First of all, a separate greeting to those who, after watching the 7th episode, came to read the comments, because they didn't understand a damn thing)))) And secondly, I didn't even understand Mom's conversation with Denis.That's right, someone asked a question here:why did his mother send him to this monastery so fiercely, did she know something? I did not understand the moments when Max and Sonya run away:why is Denis being washed?And the moment with the convicts, too.Is that true?What would it take to catch up with the atmosphere or does it mean something? Well, the moment with Katya.One was "cured" on water, the other begged her sister, even the son's mind was hallucinated.Everyone gets what they want.Did Katya really want to grow old most of all?Nonsense!And anyway, how did she disappear? And Ale?Is death ultimately her weakness or her strength?Why is it only with her?And the same Max was released, for example
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 06:54 # Show original
@Sab007: and was it Denis's mom?)
tanya_smir
25 Feb 2021, 23:29 # Show original
He talked to her on video in the first episode, so for sure mom exists, but whether he talked to her in this episode is a question
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 00:34 # Show original
@tanya_smir: Well, thank you! explained))) I wrote about the phone conversation.
evalukich
26 Feb 2021, 03:45 # Show original
@tanya_smir: No question. Denis took his Son's phone to call his mother (he also said he did not remember his mother's number), and the phone rang in his hands. Definitely a hallucination. Or whatever it is, in the Afterlife. Everyone saw/heard/got what they wanted.
LaFeeVerte
28 Feb 2021, 05:30 # Show original
What he wanted, or what he was afraid of. Which is probably sometimes not so easy to distinguish - people sometimes get so hung up on their fears that they can't live without them. Katya became old and useless to anyone, Elya died without resisting, Max sold himself out... Katya walks endlessly in circles and cannot escape, and Denis died.
LaFeeVerte
28 Feb 2021, 05:45 # Show original
@LaFeeVerte: Sonya goes around in circles, not Katya :)
srubeski
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 15:47 # Show original
@Sab007: I think everyone gets not what they want here, but what they focus their thoughts on, and whether it's fears or desires is another matter. But there are really a lot of questions left :))
FRinDs1802
25 Feb 2021, 15:48 # Show original
About Denis's mother - she sent him there to cure him by any means - albeit miraculous ones And in the end it seems that he wasn't talking to his mother (remember he asked about the number when they called him back - and she said it didn't matter where the number came from) and with himself (conscience) - "we must fight for the truth, do not bend" and so on, so he changed his shoes at the very end, killed the owner and drowned, interrupting the slave existence when serving someone
ypypy28
26 Feb 2021, 03:37 # Show original
@Sab007: He didn't talk to Mom, she couldn't know Sonya's phone number, and he couldn't remember his mother's phone number. It was his hallucination.
id193600657
27 Feb 2021, 02:27 # Show original
Katya got out of the swamps and returned, dying 30 years later
fs_ann
02 Mar 2021, 03:33 # Show original
Madam, you are too driven)
Vilgelmster
07 Mar 2021, 02:46 # Show original
@Sab007: it wasn't Denis's mom, it was his conscience\ there were glitches, it was clearly shown there (incoming call, "how do you know this number")
Meloman_Nastena
21 Oct 2021, 22:09 # Show original
A conversation with my mother and the existing monastery website are just more confirmation of the theory of the realism of what is happening. The earth is full of rumors about miracles, but not about a local maniac
uanwr
25 Feb 2021, 06:52 # Show original
Still, there are still many questions left after watching the finale. I'm not even going to guess now: is this really an afterlife or just a hallucination from the water? Although, of course, everything is obvious about water - it fulfills people's desires.
I am interested in a couple of points: why did the priest laugh at Sonya when she hugged her sister? There was a feeling that he had seen the whole truth, that his sister was not really there, and Sonya was standing there alone and talking to herself. Why did Father Vitaly get a headache when his son started strangling the priest? When Vitaly was talking to his mother, he himself pointed to the same place near his head and said that his father was sitting here. Why did Sonya start singing some creepy song when Denis was killing the Owner? And who actually talked to gg over the phone? If it had been the Owner, he would not have said such things to him on behalf of Denis's mother. And Radio Liberty would simply not let Max on the air. And for some reason, the policeman was very angry with Arina for showing this place.
So many questions and so few answers. Despite all this, I will review the series over and over again - not only because of the metaphorical plot with biblical references, but also because of the amazing camerawork and acting.
electraheart
25 Feb 2021, 15:04 # Show original
@uanwr: about Radio Liberty: I think the owner decided to make fun of Max. to teach him a lesson for rudeness, to disgrace him in the eyes of colleagues and all that
strelkovskaya
26 Feb 2021, 10:43 # Show original
@uanwr: Well, Denis was under hallucinations, his conscience and subconscious talked to him in the form of a mother, obviously, because mom is the most important thing to him, so this is how his subconscious told him that he was creating a game and it was wrong
uanwr
28 Feb 2021, 06:41 # Show original
@strelkovskaya: It's quite likely that everything turned out to be so simple. But I would like to think that there was someone else besides the Owner who tried to help the heroes atone for their sins and get rid of their vices. As far as I remember, you can only die in the Swamps with the help of the Owner (although the temporary death of the priest calls this into question), and Denis never came out.
Fadelena
26 Feb 2021, 13:46 # Show original
I also care who the owner's wife is; they put such an emphasis on her - and the engagement ring on her finger, and the son, and the mother's conversations - and in the end, where is she? Why waste time on this, so as not to lead to anything? As if this line had been cut out, I expected that there would be someone familiar to us.
Jesse
PRO
27 Feb 2021, 02:09 # Show original
@Fadelena: The Owner's mother mentioned that he has children. So, besides the son, there is at least one more child. By the way, as an option, Arina's father could be the owner, who in his youth was a foreman at the factory where her mother worked and whom he raped. And perhaps, later, she became his wife. That is, it turns out that Arina is the Owner's wife, and her mother is his daughter. And then, you can explain the words of the Owner's mother about the severity of the Owner's wife to her children. Something like that.
dima1722
27 Feb 2021, 22:55 # Show original
@Jesse: Yeah, let's already spin all sorts of nonsense to make it happen.
KateMilk
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 01:04 # Show original
@Jesse: it was also mentioned that the master was handsome, they say, Arina took after him like that. So it is unlikely that the owner does not shine with beauty.
Fadelena
28 Jun 2022, 01:08 # Show original
@Jesse: It turned out to be a little dark
Meloman_Nastena
21 Oct 2021, 22:11 # Show original
So the priest didn't drink water, and neither did the cop. More precisely, he drank when it was convenient for him.
x0m1ak
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 06:58 # Show original
Thanks Glukhovsky, KinoPoisk, kast, Aigel and all the other people mentioned in the credits for such a gorgeous series. There will still be a lot of debate about it, and not a few copies will be broken about the plot. I would still like, of course, some kind of chthonic, mythical explanation for all this psychedelic, but it turns out that the world is real, and water plays the role of a glitch catalyst. But this does not explain much, holes and inconsistencies appear in the plot. So the Swamp is still a mystical place)
And the main idea of the series is in the song Aigel: Everyone needs a master, A dog, a man, a cow.
dima1722
27 Feb 2021, 22:56 #
@x0m1ak: лол
syedin
25 Feb 2021, 11:25 # Show original
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syedin
25 Feb 2021, 11:33 # Show original
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syedin
25 Feb 2021, 18:50 # Show original
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Lazzal
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 03:34 # Show original
It also seems to me that they couldn't merge the finale so harshly, but so far I can't think of a coherent version explaining everything that is happening. Conceptually, I like the idea that those who died in the swamps actually survived the accident.
purcess_leia
26 Feb 2021, 12:03 # Show original
@syedin: You are being ignored because you are ill-mannered 🙃
vk1024945
28 Feb 2021, 15:04 # Show original
But he's rummaging through mythology, look how cool he is!!!!!!!!
forgotten_tale
08 Jun 2021, 01:38 # Show original
@vk1024945: I just came and told you everything, put it on the shelves. Not like the rest of the stupid people who talk in the comments.
Марго18
25 Feb 2021, 11:40 # Show original
I see a clear anti-alcohol message in this film. Local water is a metaphor for vodka. Why is everyone drinking in Russia, Glukhovsky reflects. Because in another way, if the eyes are not flooded, it is impossible to participate in all this. The film is strong. The owner, after all, turned out to be an omnipotent entity (only his transformation from an ordinary person into a demon is unclear). Glitches were glitches, but he could resurrect a priest, know all the past of those he killed, teleport to the temple. Thank you for explaining that all this is due to his boredom - he can do anything, and everything is available to him, and only a safari for people pleases. After his death, he joined his parents - I did not understand this moment, as well as his conversation with his mother (why she did not recognize him). There are details that have not been explained: an arrow over the forests, people in white shirts in the forest, a mermaid, eating ants, a seller on a train (in the credits there is, but not in the film), a burnt two-headed eagle. But in general, it's great, I haven't seen a series for a long time that would be so addictive.
syedin
25 Feb 2021, 11:58 # Show original
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Meloman_Nastena
21 Oct 2021, 22:13 # Show original
I also thought about vodka when the cop was drinking water. It's a hard association from his words - it's impossible to live here in any other way.
Meloman_Nastena
21 Oct 2021, 22:15 # Show original
The mother could not recognize her son because she knows that he is a maniac and does not want to admit it. But when he died, I began to imagine.
And everything that was caught up for horror, such as mermaids, etc., can be explained by trips.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 12:10 # Show original
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Марго18
25 Feb 2021, 12:26 # Show original
@Maxq32: The mechanics of water is the first layer. there is another one, which, in fact, reveals this mechanics of water. That a person is weak and afraid, and it is typical for him to seek God to protect, heal, resurrect, but he finds not God, but such a maniac with an axe.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 12:42 # Show original
@Margo18: "What kind of faith is it when you can't believe without proof."
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 12:43 # Show original
@Margo18: Max looking for God ?
Марго18
25 Feb 2021, 12:56 # Show original
@Maxq32: I think so - why else would he go to the monastery? He starts with cynicism when he talks to his mother and doubts that they will help him there. Then, in a conversation with Sonya, he realizes the possibility of a miracle, divine intervention - "if you can, then can I?". Then he is relieved of pain and becomes a slave. And only in the end, apparently, God found him by calling him on the phone on behalf of his mother)
id419194140
25 Feb 2021, 14:57 # Show original
Max was looking for hot facts about Denis, not God.
Марго18
25 Feb 2021, 17:55 # Show original
@Maxq32: Oh, I confused Max with Denis ) Max is looking for fame
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 20:02 # Show original
@Margo18: Well, then what does your "mechanics of water" have to do with it? This is the first layer. there is another one, which, in fact, reveals this mechanics of water. That a person is weak and afraid, and it is typical for him to seek God to protect, heal, resurrect, but he does not find God, but such a maniac with an axe" If it turns out the main character was looking for glory, and not god?
Марго18
25 Feb 2021, 21:35 # Show original
@Maxq32: OK, I put it inaccurately, I take the words "to seek God" back. More precisely, it is natural for a person to hope for a miracle, to want divine intervention in his life. All the characters are looking for him here: Denis wants healing, Sonya - the return of his sister, Max - a sensation that will glorify him, Elya - protection, Katya - a new fabulous relationship. Poisoned water is a means by which they get what they wanted (except for Katya and Eli, it is necessary to clarify). But in fact, this is not a miracle, but a trick, a hallucination. That's why I'm talking about two layers of this story - the need for a miracle as a bait to catch these people, and water as the main means of this deception. And for me, this is not a story about poisoned water, but a story about human vulnerability.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 22:46 # Show original
@Margo18: So it's not suitable for the main character. He denies the whole series any kind of miracle-working, divinity of what is happening. Max went to get a sensation. But this is not a search for a miracle. He went to investigate a specific person, Denis, and another interesting topic turned up. He didn't count on any miracle. He always acted pragmatically. He was offered the position of editor, so he did not dream of this position again. I wanted to investigate and investigated, bent my line all the series.
Марго18
26 Feb 2021, 00:15 # Show original
@Maxq32: Well, in the end, he got hooked precisely because of this desire for a miracle - to magically become editor-in-chief. Whether he dreamed about it or not is unknown, but it was more important than revealing the truth to people. It bothered me that the cop and the owner were laughing at him at that moment - it's quite possible that he was just imagining that he was talking to someone there. To be honest, Max fits very conditionally into the main outline of the series - he did not meet with fears, and did not seek to escape from himself.
Maxq32
25 Feb 2021, 12:46 # Show original
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vorkott
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 13:16 # Show original
Eh. That's what Glukhovsky categorically does not get, so these are the finals. And the looped train suddenly reminded Rick and Morty
апноэ
04 Mar 2021, 02:38 # Show original
@vorkott: I reminded you of the strict regime comedy. the final scene is one-on-one
Luuudan
25 Feb 2021, 13:38 # Show original
It seems to me that they died after all and it was an afterlife, just water as an addition to see their fears and, failing to cope with them, remain to serve the master forever.About the convicts and the circle: they are closed in the zone, but freedom is outside, and in the marshes, on the contrary, they are free inside the circle, not outside it. Maybe so? they could not free themselves and remained to serve the master, but in such a familiar environment.Arina is also there forever, since she still cannot understand even in the afterlife that she should not be so jealous of her daughter and is stuck there forever. The priest also seems to want to be free, but he still takes money from the owner and serves. Like the cop (but he doesn't want to leave at all because of his son, sometimes he lets go of this pain, but he drinks water and again understands why he is here). And Muscovites also seem to see their fears when they get here, they can't get free until they accept, but Elya could be shown at least from afar, for example, hiding in the middle of the forest, although she already said that she had no strength to run and surrendered to the owner, maybe it let her go from this place, with Katya sad she wanted to die? But here, on the contrary, she lives, old and does not remember anything, stuck, Sonya can not let her Sister go until the last, and even when she runs away (just escapes from the swamps) he believes in this miracle , so he goes in a circle . Denis went at all, it seemed he did not want to live, resigned himself to cancer, came just to see and then a miracle, even wanted to betray everyone for the sake of a healthy head, stay here (it's good for him there-his words), but after calling his mother, where she asked what did you do for this? And he says that it is better to die as a worthy person, in the end he freed himself ( I hope ), and Max stayed there , accepted that in principle there is nothing there and you can stay with Arina, since he can't prove anything about Vitaly Viniaminovich, of course he tried to find out what was going on until the last, but everything was in vain, he chose the option not to bad for yourself ( plus helik ahah )
Luuudan
25 Feb 2021, 13:54 # Show original
In general, it is very interesting to think about everything, to look for meaning.
It seemed to me either at the end a boy with glasses (as if this is the little master, after the murder of Denis and Sonya, it turns out to be small and returns to his mother or grandmother, xs) and they watch Glukhovsky's "sulfur" (maybe some kind of reference about emissions)....
uanwr
28 Feb 2021, 06:55 # Show original
@Luuudan: everything is simple about Katya: The Owner fulfills people's desires, only in a perverted way. Katya wanted to grow old with her fiance - she got old age, but there is no fiance. Elya wanted to be perceived not as a woman who could be exchanged for sheep, but as a human being. That's what she got in the custody of a distraught policeman who doesn't care if you're a man, a woman or a child, an order is an order.
melloncollie
25 Feb 2021, 14:14 #
Многие топят за теорию с водой. Мне кажется не все так просто. Вероятно, ребята погибли по пути в топи. Их души застряли в посмертии. И началась игра за них с хозяином. Хозяин - дьявол. Он исполняет желания в обмен на душу, которая застревает в топях или посмертии. Денис - болезнь, Соня - сестра, Максим - карьера, Эля - свобода от жениха-тирана. Катя мечтала о молодости и внимании мужчин, но тут под вопросом. Почему она постарела? Милиционер - живой сын, мама Арины - поменяться телами, Анна Петровна - муж и сын рядом, отец Илья - деньги на храм, беглые - своя территория. Насчёт воды, хозяин сделал на ней акцент, чтобы подтвердить теорию журналиста, который так хотел прославится этим сенсационным репортажем. Из-за выбросов с завода вода приобретает какие-то усиливающие желания свойства. Остались вопросы конечно...
Марго18
26 Feb 2021, 00:23 #
@melloncollie: Если с этой стороны рассматривать события, то Хозяин каждый раз такую историю проворачивает, с аварией, чтобы люди умерли по дороге со станции и попали к нему в посмертие? Ведь обезглавленных им уже сотни, судя по одежде в монастыре.
annadeon
26 Feb 2021, 20:23 #
На счёт Кати - может, хозяин исполнял не просто желания, а то, на чем человек был зациклен при жизни. Катя повторяла, что 30 - старость, некуда деваться, вот и получай.. В остальном придерживаюсь такого же объяснения.
Brooke_Harper
25 Feb 2021, 14:20 #
Как проще всего понять то, что мы увидели? Денис просто крепко спал, он даже не болел.
AlexVer
25 Feb 2021, 14:42 #
Очень тусклый финал, который ничегошеньки не объяснил. Массовые, но выборочные галлюцинации от воды? Нами управляют наши желания, но не все, не всеми и не всегда? Формулируйте точнее, а то исполнится так, что не порадуетесь, но это не точно? Бред какой-то. Весь сериал смотрится очень хорошо, но финал перечеркивает всю красоту и прелесть. Давайте просто напихаем туда все возможные варианты, а зрители сами придумают подходящее именно им объяснение. Это халтура.
Special_Death
PRO
31 May 2021, 00:03 #
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Ядъвига
25 Feb 2021, 15:04 #
Очень грустно после просмотра последней серии. Жалко героев. Да, они не святые, но и не настолько ужасны, чтобы заслужить подобное. Дениса жаль больше всех. У него изначально шансов не было из-за болезни. Так и уйти спокойно не дали. Соню зачем-то оттолкнул от себя своими выходками в последних сериях. Из позитивного только разговор с мамой. Хотела написать что-то объемное, но пока не могу, надо остыть от серии(
Bice
25 Feb 2021, 15:34 #
Очень много люди расписали про Топи=Россия, и я, возможно, пропустила кого-то, кто, как и я, орал и бегал по потолку от зеков в круге: это же дорогая наша любимая система исполнения наказания, когда человеку не помогают встроиться обратно в общество по выходу из тюрьмы, и он возвращается обратно, потому что в тюрьме всё просто и понятно, свое родное. Вот и зеки эти несчастные сидят в своем кругу и радуются, что вот тут-то они на воле, а вы все там в тюрьме. Хотя казалось бы, вроде и бежали. От тюрьмы не убежишь, правильно Козлов в самом начале говорит, что она по мозгам дает. И что ж ты козел-то такой, Козлов? 😭 Даже почти человеком казался, когда у "ведьмы" за Макса просил, а в итоге вон как. Но фотография сына рядом с деньгами - это, конечно, красиво. А всё равно лучший мальчик, и пошло оно к черту, его мелкое зло
Stoni
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 15:56 #
Короче, мне финал не понравился. Ничего не объяснили, нагнали психоделики. Такое себе
Hohn
25 Feb 2021, 15:58 #
TheWinnie
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 16:30 #
Нуууу такое себе, хотя думаю детальное объяснение этому сериалу не нужно. Тут много вариантов нагнали в сюжете, выбирай на свой вкус.
Stalker96kor
25 Feb 2021, 17:19 #
Психодел, но более менее понятно. (Все нижеперечисленное мое мнение) 1. Разговоры по телефону это как некое испытание душ. Журналист в итоге поддался дьяволу и остался в Топях. Денис поддался, но услышал голос матери (либо это было проявление совести его или реально из мира живых услышал мать, мб он ей снился) и убив Хозяина он очистился и пошёл дальше. 2. Слепой дед таинственная фигура, но это наверное Бог или некий ангел, т.к он исполнил желание милиционера увидеть сына. 3. Под прошлыми сериями прям угадали с постаревшей Катей и коррумпированным священником. Катя боялась старости - стала старой, священник воровал - был заперт вечно в Топях, пока не надоел Хозяину. 4. Смерть от руки хозяина это скорее всего путь в Ад. Т.к Эля убила своего мч, не держала слово и вообще темная личность. Зеки- каннибалы - тут все понятно. Афганец - много нагрешил на войне. Священник - за коррупцию поплатился. 5. Завод - олицетворение Ада. 6. Топи чистилище (это становится понятно из 2 и 6 серии) 7. Соня сошла с ума из-за сёстры, которую видела только она и некоторые люди рядом с ней (прям как бабка видит мужа, но без неё мужа нет) и застряла в Топях, т.к не смогла «отпустить» как предупреждал дед. 8. Бабки, деды, Арина и мать, мент и его напарник-афганец, наши герои - мертвецы. 9. Хозяин и сын - черти или сам Сатана 10. Глуховский в камео. 🥰
dima1722
27 Feb 2021, 23:00 #
@Stalker96kor: "Эля убила своего мч, не держала слово и вообще темная личность.", ты жопой что ли смотрел, она убила его случайно в попытке защитить. Какая ещё тёмная личность, самая нормальная из всех была.
iraira221717
25 Feb 2021, 17:26 #
Моё понимание такое - сначала расстроилась, что слил конец и замутил изъеденный сюжет с водичкой! Что? Да ладно! Почитала комменты, подумала, нашла смысл следующий - ребят едут в монастырь, имея своего хозяина. Один - боль и рак, другая - смерть сестры, чувство вины, протест против отца, третья - подвластность и потерю любимого, и журналист с карьерой. Сразу же - история с журналистом самая... ну такая, в смысле хозяин у него конечно сильный, но гораздо слабее, чем все остальные. Согласитесь, болезнь, смерть близкого, убийство и ... карьера - разные весовые категории, ведь так! Это объясняет то, что до последнего журналист был самым... адекватным что ли. Он в принципе не плохой парень и его энтузиазм прям даже в страшной ситуации был с ним. Но в итоге, жажда славы пересилила и он слился. Ну это ладно, после - по сюжету. Вероятно гг действительно находит этот монастырь, сервис, все такое, вполне возможно, что монастырь предъявляем требования к количеству человек - типа должно быть группой. Москвича, который в теме постоянных сервисов и условий обслуживания, это не смущает. Смущает только в конце - и это отсылка к разным городским и деревенским менталитетом людей. Что для москвича изначально казалось просто сервисом, впоследствие выглядит как плата в количестве душ. Приезжают они все со своими тараканами в Топи, а там стоит такой наглый чел, с сальной улыбкой. Происходит авария - вернее две аварии, причём одна со смертельным исходом (первая), вторая с исходом, как бы переходным, ведь герои должны как-то попасть туда в этот уже иной мое и оправдать его себе. Обе аварии происходят, когда одна из девчонок коверкает название посёлка, А водила ее поправляет. Это ещё раз говорит о разности москвичей (она коверкает и ржет) и провинциалов (водила аж из сидения чуть не выпрыгнул от, казалось бы, безобидной шутки). Потому что - и тут та сама Глуховская деревня - менталитет разный и отношение разное. И так весь фильм - реальное, нереальное, социальное, политическое тесно.
EverSunday
24 Aug 2021, 21:39 #
@iraira221717: "Согласитесь, болезнь, смерть близкого, убийство и ... карьера - разные весовые категории, ведь так!" Тут по-моему дело не в объективной оценке, а в том, насколько это важно для конкретного человека в данное время. По шкале стресса увольнение оценили в 47 баллов, это немало, когда серьезная травма/заболевание 53 балла. А тщеславие (желание сделать карьеру, выдать супер-репортаж, стать главредом ), как сказал дьявол в фильме Адвокат дьявола с Киану Ривзом - мой самый любимый из грехов.
iraira221717
25 Feb 2021, 17:36 #
Дальше девчонка ищет как им выбраться. Это очень символично, потому что именно она пропадаем затем, остальные же словно в каком-то оцепенении. Я не помню, как их по именам, ну понятно кто. Ах, да, Катя) по имени актрисы. Это мужик - водитель с гробом - он типа перевозчика. Он из направляет. При этом говорит фразу, что Катя здесь - самая живая. И так оно и есть. Вероятно именно Катя выбралась живой из этой аварии, остальные нет. Кто-то погиб сразу, кто-то после. Поэтому герои так по-разносу себя ведут. Так вот Катя. Она потом возвращается в образе пожилой женщине. Многие пишут - под воздействием воды ребята ее видят такой. Не согласна. Мне кажется, что она выжила, но после сварим совсем сломалась. Будучи жизнерадостной девчонкой для других, она скорее всего очень несчастный человек внутри, одинокий, который хочет просто нации плечо и близкого друга, но да свечки поверхностностм многие не воспринимают ее всерьёз. А она между прочим всегда помогает. Даже в образе старухи, она сдерживает милиционера. Всю жизнь после аварии она рассказывает - коты, предательство, все покатилось под откос. Как можно было упустить этот момент!? Какая вода?! То есть счастья она не обрела, ее хозяин ее не отпустил и она вернулась обратно, как в то место, ключевое место, где погибли несколько ее друзей. Поэтому ее неприкаянная душа ищет своего хозяина там. Кстати, специально или нет, но тираж ее в возрасте явно пьющей женщины, возможно и смерть пришла от этого
AlbertValeev
25 Feb 2021, 17:49 # Show original
Well, now we need to release water under the brand "TOPI". It will go worse than Coca-Cola and Shishkin Forest And Mudyuga vodka. It's a pity! But there is no God in Glukhovsky's series, only rocket fuel and Satan. Hopelessness is depressing (The Coat of Arms burned down, BB killed, but they did not say how to live well and happily.
Марго18
26 Feb 2021, 00:18 # Show original
@AlbertValeev: God is out there somewhere behind the scenes. In a conversation with the priest, the owner mentions: in order for him to accept you, first I have to let you go.
iraira221717
25 Feb 2021, 17:51 # Show original
Elya is a Chechen. Everything is simple here. Why her head was cut off is because she is a murderer, anyway, she is cursed. She cannot be in the interval between life and death, she is different from the guys and her fate in the afterlife is different - maybe hell, maybe deliverance, but not here. The same thing happens with the two runaways. This imaginary will in a circle of 10 by 10 meters and beheading. Perhaps they worked out the sin - they ate the third, perhaps on the contrary they refined it to punishment. In general, all the characters of the village are definitely some kind of characters, perhaps from the Bible. Or they play this role. They probably can't leave for one reason or another. For example, a girl with her mother - the image is immediately obvious - bare breasts, horns of hair, promiscuity. Perhaps this character is evil, but she is unhappy and in her own way I feel sorry for her. She wants love, but she cannot dispose of it. Probably, the exchange of bodies took place after the death of her and her daughter, it is not known how the deceased died. She is definitely a witch and treats the dark ones more, but she is not devoid of light qualities, she wants to trust the journalist too tenderly in her own way, seeing from his side the sincerity of interest and self-sacrifice. The access point that she showed (to the displeasure of the policeman) is one of those cases when SMS messages, calls come from dead people in a strange way, they dream, perhaps this is this point. She is not available to everyone "there" and is probably not encouraged to reveal her secrets. But, please note, all the phones turn out to be broken. That is, an access point, not an access point - it doesn't matter anymore.Why the owner is just such a master (the driver). Because this is the last person the guys saw, he is unpleasant to them and contains all the nasty things that the four of them managed to feel together. The image does not matter here, I think. In general, there are constant references to the wake in the film. From the second part, the grandmother puts saeki in front of the journalist, and he looks at her helplessly. She fusses, as in the presence of the deceased, she "decorates" them.
dima1722
27 Feb 2021, 23:01 # Show original
@iraira221717: another idiot, she killed him by accident, not on purpose, she wanted to protect him. Elya is generally the most unhappy character here.
nilson
19 Apr 2021, 19:40 # Show original
Well, she wanted to kill Dowd, even in self-defense. Yes, she killed her boyfriend by accident, but the essence does not change
AlbertValeev
25 Feb 2021, 17:52 # Show original
Glukhovsky was in the role of the Master who made the ugly Mother happy with Arishka. Arishka Glukhovsky's father
NidlzPS
25 Feb 2021, 17:54 # Show original
I have a lot of questions about the series, but what confused me the most at the end was the behavior of a journalist. Why did he decide to stay? His motivation was to make cool stuff. He gave it up to become the editor-in-chief of the "local" rt. He sold and betrayed people who became friends with him and just agreed with a maniac (he was sure that he was a maniac, otherwise he would not have asked to be released). But at the same time, he just stayed in the swamps. If the owner fulfills wishes and makes deals, why was the deal connected with the main office? If, in the end, Max doesn't fucking need her. Yes, and water as a source of hallucinogen is certainly interesting, but how did the Owner even know what a journalist needed? And the main name of Maxim's boss. It's like Glukhovsky wrote the ending on the last day of filming. To be honest, it seemed like a hack to me. But thanks for the AIGEL in the sound, it was right on the subject.
Katenok999
25 Feb 2021, 18:52 # Show original
This is a metaphor for how unwanted thoughts are suppressed. In order to have fuel for rockets, someone needs to be silenced and in most cases it is possible to bribe with a comfortable car)
NidlzPS
25 Feb 2021, 22:38 # Show original
@fb1004811: If a metaphor doesn't fit into the character or behavior of a character, why is it needed at all?
Katenok999
25 Feb 2021, 18:54 # Show original
"Radio Liberty is our enemy." = freedom of speech hinders the government.
m1stakе
26 Feb 2021, 04:23 # Show original
@fb1004811: So Radio Liberty is a real opposition media outlet
Vilgelmster
07 Mar 2021, 03:04 # Show original
@m1stake: and the authorities are interfering
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
25 Feb 2021, 22:50 # Show original
@NidlzPS: Max initially made deals with his conscience and worked for jaundice He began to pretend to be an ideological fighter for the truth after he was kicked out of there because of watching porn at work, but his image of a fighter quickly fell apart when the position of head, money and the opportunity to take revenge on his boss loomed. As he was a corrupt journalist, he remained so, it was just a matter of his ideology in the amount of payment.
The slogan of the series "You can't run away from yourself" clearly fits his story
NidlzPS
26 Feb 2021, 00:27 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: I figured that out anyway. So why did he stay in the Swamps then? That's what I didn't understand at all. If he wanted a cool position so badly, why did he suddenly decide to stick around in the village?
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 00:33 # Show original
@NidlzPS: he ruined his reputation by talking nonsense on the air and will not make a serious career anymore, and then his master died... and he is tempted by Arina)
Without a Master, he probably won't be able to leave there, because only he could let go of the Swamp.
апноэ
04 Mar 2021, 03:02 # Show original
@NidlzPS: the journalist was initially cynical and duplicitous, but he hid his insignificance behind an assumed righteousness, lied and threw dust in everyone's eyes, and in the swamps it was only necessary for the owner to promise that he would be SOMEONE - he revealed his true essence mowed down under an honest journalist turned out to be a corrupt slut
NidlzPS
04 Mar 2021, 20:31 # Show original
@apnea: So why did he stay in the Swamps? The fact that he is corrupt even in the first scene + is understandable
LaFeeVerte
04 Mar 2021, 21:32 # Show original
@NidlzPS: it seems that he himself was not very aware that he was doing everything for himself, his beloved, and not for the sake of a lofty goal and the glorious cause of journalism. Many people think much better of themselves than they really are. And then they popularly explained to him who he was, and he finally realized it, that's why he stayed, I think.
mummysdrling
06 Mar 2021, 01:39 # Show original
The owner is dead, so he will not become the editor-in-chief. After what he performed on direct activation (as he thinks, it is unclear whether it was included at all), the road to the profession is closed to him. Nothing else keeps him in Moscow, so he stayed
zula22
25 Feb 2021, 18:04 # Show original
A mystical utopia? I'm not going to reconsider, look for signs, discuss theories - I won't. there is such an application for genius that I, a mere mortal, cannot understand. in the beginning, I was hooked, but there were TV series that were much more confusing, but more interesting
iraira221717
25 Feb 2021, 18:11 # Show original
As for the "returned from the dead" - this is Sonya's grandfather and sister. There is such a belief - it is necessary to be able to release the dead and deceased relatives, otherwise they will not feel safe there. My grandfather died, my grandmother probably died too, but she invoked the spirit of my grandfather in this afterlife - so he does not know peace, he seems to be with her, and he is glad, but he seems to complain that he cannot leave.They're both out there. Sonya also "resurrects" her sister, she cannot let her go, calling her to be eternally in the afterlife, and she forever binds herself to this place and to the monastery. Therefore, the Owner does not kill Sonya, he says - she will beg for my sins. He knows that Sonya is under the yoke of her "master" - she will be in the monastery forever. And by the way, these souls who have returned are not interested in the Owner at all, because they have already been identified and they (grandfather and sisters) have their own owners - those who cannot let them go and keep them. (Sonya returns her sister again, after she runs away from the monastery and dies, thus not giving her peace of mind). The master is certainly a demon or Satan, his son is not accidental here either, this is a metaphor for the Bible, son and father, and the dark forces - they always absurdly copy Biblical stories. The phrase "My son's deeds will be greater than mine" is not accidental. The owner here is strength, power, an assistant, they sell his soul, make deals, he decides when to send someone (to cut off his head) to hell. Everyone here is either his servants or slaves. He tempts, takes a fee. He didn't tempt Elya because she's already his-she's a killer anyway. He tempted the Gg with the retreat of pain, the journalist with glory. He probably tempted the girl with her mother (daughter) with the opportunity to exchange bodies. He bought the priest for money, but the priest passed away by hanging, realizing his sin, but not redeeming it, so time after time the priest is doomed to let go of demon sins, take money, put it on the pillow and suffer mentally again, and subsequently hang himself. Apparently this cycle was endless, until the owner lets him go, killing him, or drives him to hell, because Sonya.
iraira221717
25 Feb 2021, 18:23 # Show original
The owner cannot tempt the grandmother, he pretends to be her son, but she does not succumb to his persuasions and whimpering, she is rude to him, rude, does not want to hear anything, as if she does not hear at all. He doesn't touch her. The character of the old woman (although she is not such an old woman) is quite understandable. She did not have a bitter life waiting for a loved one, she suffered a lot, was pious, faithful. Being here is her choice, she does not succumb to temptation, she is already tempted, but only by her love and desire to be with someone with whom it turned out so little during her lifetime. This is an almost pure character, why almost - she is not clean anyway, since she does not let go of her "master", so she takes money from young people for housing - money is generally such a symbol of evil here. And yet - she often seems to be inactive, but she has such a role, she can't help, just make it a little easier. Therefore, from her there often comes some kind of sepulchral, memorial helpfulness, these saechki, bath, food, clothes, a call to salt, to ask. As for the water, the heroes must understand for themselves that they died, this is their test. The film repeatedly says that many people do not understand, it is difficult to understand, it is difficult to accept and let go, to reconsider their principles. By and large, no one has reviewed it to the end, except for the years. Already renaming Maman to mom with a heart in her phone, we see how gg realizes the important thing that is valuable to him in life. Of course, he doesn't talk to any mom, just like there is no radio with the symbolic name Freedom. This is a conversation with yourself. The journalist, having done such a job and got through to Freedom, could not get free, but gg still managed, but where he got after - back or into another world, the ending of the film does not say. It is unequivocal that we no longer see his soul among the inhabitants of the Swamps, so he has found peace ..... however, it is not clear what kind of strange silent old man in a fur coat is, who definitely suffers throughout the plot.
nurie
12 Jul 2022, 10:53 # Show original
Heh, it's unlikely that the daughter wanted to swap bodies with her mother, rather, it's a perversely fulfilled desire to become an adult (head of the family, etc.).
orranj
PRO
18 Sep 2022, 02:10 # Show original
@iraira221717: The owner does not pretend to be Baba Nyura's son, he is her son - BB, obviously, stands for Vitaly Veniaminovich
iraira221717
25 Feb 2021, 18:28 # Show original
Next, the girl is looking for a way out for them. This is very symbolic, because it is she who disappears to no one knows where, while the rest seem to be in a kind of stupor. I don't remember their names, but it's clear who they are. Oh, yes, Katya) by the name of the actress. This guy, the driver she finds with the coffin, he's like a carrier. Bible stories, that sort of thing...He directs them. At the same time, he says the phrase that Katya is the most alive here. And so it is. It was probably Katya who got out of this accident alive, the others did not. Someone died immediately, someone after. That's why the characters behave so differently. So that's Katya. She then returns in the form of an elderly woman. Many people write that under the influence of water, the guys see her like this. I disagree. It seems to me that she survived, but after cooking she completely broke down. Being a cheerful girl to others, she is most likely a very unhappy person inside, a lonely one who just wants to have a shoulder and a close friend, but yes, candles are superficial, many do not take her seriously. And she always helps, by the way. Even in the image of an old woman, she restrains a policeman. All her life after the accident, she tells me - cats, betrayal, everything went downhill. How could you miss this moment!? What kind of water?! That is, she did not find happiness, her master did not let her go and she returned back to the place, the key place where several of her friends died. Therefore, her restless soul is looking for its master there. By the way, on purpose or not, but the circulation of it at the age of a clearly drinking woman, perhaps death came from this
Неукротимая
26 Feb 2021, 04:22 # Show original
Thank you, I liked your idea. And she just explains why Katya is old, whereas others "from the water" see what they dream of.
iraira221717
25 Feb 2021, 18:36 # Show original
Interesting TV series, just super
Katenok999
25 Feb 2021, 18:36 # Show original
It seems to me a mistake to try to explain every scene in the series with the only correct interpretation and fit it into real life. It doesn't really matter if they really died or if it's a dream)
Everyone will see their own within their own horizons. For me, the series is an offer to reflect on the modern Russian, his sins, fears, dreams, and his values.
Water is an allusion to vodka or any other substance that a person resorts to in order to escape from reality when it is especially difficult to exist in it. Perhaps this is about how sometimes people do not want to let go of their pain, but prefer to "forget" and imagine that everything is as before - a loved one is nearby, a lost child is alive, an incurable disease has disappeared and thus drown themselves. Drown their pain.
I really liked the unobtrusive mention of the relationship between the authorities and law enforcement agencies - I serve, but if I am in mortal danger, I will not save, they will appoint a new one anyway. A burnt two-headed eagle. The corruption of the church.
And about Moscow - the salary is higher in Moscow Time, but here (the regions) there is nowhere to spend it. And as Max makes a choice for himself, "fuck this Moscow," he realized that his career, fame, and money were not so important to him. I made a choice to live in my Swamp, where nothing happens, there are no prospects, everything is in a circle.
And so a large number of people live. Home-office-shop-house. Drown the sadness with water. And again in a circle. This is a series about ordinary life in Russia with the help of beautiful dark metaphors.
nochedeotono
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25 Feb 2021, 19:51 # Show original
@fb1004811: thank you, I liked your comment the most.
Katenok999
25 Feb 2021, 20:40 # Show original
Thank you, I would add more about the initials of the owner V.V. and probably that Max not only made the choice to stay, but he was silenced, because Radio Liberty is our enemies, and missiles must fly.
EvilClown
13 May 2021, 20:56 # Show original
@fb1004811: and the owner V.V. is presented at the beginning only as a service staff.
Husly
25 Feb 2021, 20:09 # Show original
I absolutely agree on all points. The whole series was filmed only for a very simple message - you and I are in the swamps and sinking further. Glukhovsky has been rocking this topic for a very long time. And when I wrote the script in 2011, and now, because the whole situation is still relevant.
Мятный_марципан
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25 Feb 2021, 23:48 # Show original
@fb1004811: Well, finally, the most adequate comment! That's exactly what I saw, too. And then in the comments, damn, some conspiracy theorists are crap, who hike this very Glukhovskaya water and slurp and don't see their nose further.
trepachella
26 Feb 2021, 02:36 # Show original
I agree with you. I would also add that each of the characters who came to the Swamp probably symbolizes something. Denis = business. Max = journalism.
Неукротимая
26 Feb 2021, 04:30 # Show original
Oh, that's great! Sonya is a religion, Katya is those who believe that the main thing in life is to "get married" and "be beautiful", and there is nothing else. Ale is more difficult for me here. The inability to go beyond traditions, to free oneself and integrate? They showed a lot of different stories with her, which it is difficult for me to briefly outline.
trepachella
26 Feb 2021, 06:13 # Show original
Elya symbolizes Chechnya and Russia's difficult relations with it. Sonya, perhaps the people are losing faith (the Soviet Union), then they find it (modern Russia), it did not work out with "business", they do not believe in journalism, they look at the showdown of power, business and journalism somehow lost. And it is Sonya who drives in circles around the Marshes.
heicenberg
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27 Feb 2021, 00:47 # Show original
@fb1004811: Just bravo. After reviewing it, I was thinking about something else entirely. The Novas are damn right. Thank you for sharing.
Nyana
02 Mar 2021, 00:37 # Show original
@fb1004811: Your comment and @AlbertValeev's comment under episode 6 really impress me. After watching "Swamps", I became convinced that the whole plot of the series is a big allegory for the (modern) Mother
id585429037
25 Feb 2021, 19:24 # Show original
- we'll have to work it out. Stand up! * gets up* - Sit down! * sits down* - yes, not here, behind the wheel!
Made me laugh 🤣🤣
Estelle69
26 Feb 2021, 14:12 # Show original
@id585429037: I was also very amused by the moment with the spoon.
*BONK * You're talking shit
Katenok999
26 Feb 2021, 18:10 # Show original
I cut this piece of video for myself and am sending it to my friends now)))
JF87
08 Mar 2021, 23:21 # Show original
@Estelle69: in the villages, the elders at the table put the arrogant youth in their place. With a spoon on the forehead. My great-grandfather did that))
Annie10792
29 Dec 2023, 18:50 # Show original
@Estelle69: Yes, I was also delighted with this scene)))
unburnt
25 Feb 2021, 19:51 # Show original
In the end, what is not clear to me is why Sonya was never able to get free? Her whole line is based on the fact that she wants to free herself from the pressure of her father and start a new life. then he comes to the Swamps, begs his sister despite the crisis of faith and gets stuck there (the priest is sure in the last episode that she will not go anywhere). but in this episode, she lets her sister go, first when she sees that she is unreal, dissolves in her hands, then when she runs away from the monastery with Maxim and says goodbye to her. So why is she stuck in this circle?
-VLDMR-
25 Feb 2021, 20:45 # Show original
@unburnt: She slept with her sister's fiance - sin, prastikhospadi. And she didn't want to beg her, but to ask for forgiveness to clear her own conscience. Another pseudo-religious crap. Apparently the sins of the others are pride, maybe greed and murder. And maybe these sins form the punishment - the murderer was killed, the one who wanted money and fame was left in the Swamps, and the "lord of the world", who wanted to live, killed himself. And the heroine of the Pomeranian did not have any special gifts, so she lived to old age before going back there.
otterstern
26 Feb 2021, 22:17 # Show original
@-VLDMR-: Katya did not get out of the Swamps
-VLDMR-
25 Feb 2021, 20:34 # Show original
The coolest picture for such a series. Scenarios in the spirit of "riddles for the sake of riddles - think for yourself" rarely work.
Sqev
25 Feb 2021, 20:57 # Show original
In general, if desired, you can find a lot of non-docks in their gals. A lot has been done for the sake of a spectacular picture, not logic. The series is beautiful and very interesting, but in some moments it is absolutely not thought out.
MaxAsapov
25 Feb 2021, 21:55 # Show original
The actors' acting is great, psychedelic is great, from the very beginning it was clear that nothing would be clear) and so it's good
dima1722
27 Feb 2021, 23:02 # Show original
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MaxAsapov
28 Feb 2021, 01:41 # Show original
Hz bro, for me there are no complaints about the actors at all, everyone gave their best
Great_Skeeve
25 Feb 2021, 22:16 # Show original
Throughout the entire viewing, I thought that everything that was happening was just a glitch of gg, who at the beginning of the first episode mixed pills with a drunk
Nekrosort
25 Feb 2021, 22:19 # Show original
The ending is nothing like this. But damn, they never tried to leave there, actually! I was really waiting for it to show how they go-they go and find themselves in the same village. It is said about this in the series and in the annotation, but not shown. I was also strained by the moment when a journalist tries so hard to escape, rushes along with a girl in a car, and suddenly stops. He doesn't care that they caught up with him, he's not afraid of either the owner or the cops who surrounded him. It is clear that he is so hungry for fame, but it is expected that they can banally prevent him from telling everything. They also revealed the endings of everyone except Sonya, where did she swim out and run away to? And the train at the end, why is it spinning there?) And the owner is such a thoughtful person in everything, and in the matter of announcing his story to the whole country, he stupidly relied on the greed of a journalist. Well, the main character is handsome. He realized that it was all a hoax, that he was going to die, and dragged the owner away with him, a fiery finale in this regard. Also, their psychedelic laughter, well, super)
Malloy1
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25 Feb 2021, 22:53 # Show original
@Nekrosort: there was a moment when Denis ran naked from a girl through the woods, but he ran to the village anyway
Nekrosort
25 Feb 2021, 23:15 # Show original
@Malloy1: and yes, there was such a thing, I thought he was just running around crazy)))
ypypy28
26 Feb 2021, 04:00 # Show original
@Nekrosort: That's how Sonya is on the train. It's just that she not only drank some water, but also bathed now. That's the feeling of going in a circle.
Nekrosort
26 Feb 2021, 10:14 # Show original
@ypypy28: Hmm, that's right!
malaxitos
25 Feb 2021, 23:05 #
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BigFatRaccon
25 Feb 2021, 23:12 # Show original
@Maxq32: I voiced it as soon as they mentioned the combine, that is, somewhere in the first episodes) But it's really boring. Although it's not just water here, isn't it?
Мятный_марципан
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25 Feb 2021, 23:55 # Show original
"Swamps" is a big beautiful metaphor for our reality. It's just that Balabanov's "chernukha" is not in favor now, well, here's something prettier and more colorful for you. But the meaning is the same. And all these numerous tarot card divination over theories in this series is direct proof that we are in those very Swamps, alas.
Katenok999
26 Feb 2021, 00:29 # Show original
I just described the series to my friends as "Balabanov on minimals"))
mavlytovfagiz
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28 Feb 2021, 02:28 # Show original
@Minty_marzipan: what does the analysis of the meanings of the series have to do with proving that we are in the Swamps?
Мятный_марципан
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28 Feb 2021, 17:19 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: because people get stuck in what is unimportant, not noticing the main thing.
mavlytovfagiz
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28 Feb 2021, 19:57 # Show original
@Mint Marzipan: so you didn't understand the main meaning yourself, following your assumption that the main idea is that people get bogged down in a swamp of meanings without noticing the main thing)
Glukhovsky explained in an interview with Medusa what a Swamp is.
"Topi is an inverted reflection of the megalopolis, primarily Moscow. Moscow and the urban space for a conditional Muscovite or St. Petersburg resident, young, firmly on his feet, confident, is an understandable space, he clearly knows the rules of functioning of this place. This is a space of materialistic culture, a logarithmic space, accessible to understanding. But there is also Chthonic Russia, provincial, located outside the cities of millions, it is not subject to any clear logarithm, it cannot be put into formulas understandable to an urban dweller.
Swamps are the place where the rules stop being followed, and some stories related to the fabulous, the irrational, and the subconscious begin to work."
Мятный_марципан
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01 Mar 2021, 02:04 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: I read this interview, and imagine what Glukhovsky said there does not contradict at all what I saw) And by the way, in the program "Special opinion" on "Echo of Penza" on February 26, he answered briefly and clearly that "Topi" is Russia. In the quote you give, he says the same thing, only in a more detailed and artistic way.
mavlytovfagiz
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01 Mar 2021, 05:41 # Show original
@Mint Marzipan: sorry, yes, I definitely misunderstood you)) For some reason, I thought that you wanted to say that those who wonder about the meanings of the series are stuck in a swamp, but you most likely on the contrary meant that the search for deep and often irrational meanings is part of the collective image of the hinterland as a Swamp.
Мятный_марципан
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03 Mar 2021, 00:40 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: in fact, this is how it works out, if you think about it) Guessing people really get bogged down in a swamp of disputes, well, for example, on the topic of what exactly this hallucinogenic water means, forgetting that what is more important is not what it specifically means, but what it gives to the heroes. That is, it is not the object that is valuable, but its effect. Because in fact, any subject can be) And here it is really curious that this sucking into the quagmire of speculation becomes almost a mirror image of both Russian realities and their images in the series. The "Swamps" settled very well between the screen and our reality, such a transitional space turned out)
mavlytovfagiz
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03 Mar 2021, 00:47 # Show original
@Minty_marzipan: well then congratulations, you're stuck too)))
Мятный_марципан
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03 Mar 2021, 01:56 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: Well, what if I'm not a human being?)))
Smool
26 Feb 2021, 00:03 # Show original
There is a feeling that Glukhovsky wanted to show us that we are all really in these Swamps, everyone has their own role, but we are all in this one way or another. Perhaps he didn't even just want to show his attitude, but there was no one to encourage him to act. In this case, the story with the water is funny, because it can be interpreted in different ways (in particular, as watching a TV series). Glukhovsky just wants to hug after that. Sorry dude, we're not getting out of here, we probably don't even want that.
And now to reality: the team that worked on the painting are thugs. Everyone who is tied to the picture and sound — you are the top. It's very cool and decent. It was very pleasant to watch.
What confuses me the most is that I don't understand the main thing, which of the two options has happened now: 1. Glukhovsky has now revealed to me his understanding of the world and my empathy requires me to somehow tell the person that I saw his opinion, or 2. what did the series make with cool mixes and also the continuation can be sculpted if the audience comes in and there will be money?
mavlytovfagiz
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26 Feb 2021, 00:36 # Show original
@Smool: Glukhovsky has already told us what he wanted to show us in an interview with Medusa.
Марго18
26 Feb 2021, 00:16 # Show original
And who understood why there was an emphasis on identical patches for Benjamin and Denis?)
Lofloka
26 Feb 2021, 00:29 # Show original
I haven't watched anything for a long time with such interest, thanks to the creators for the incredible picture, the acting and the constant stream of thoughts on the topic "what is going on here anyway?" After the first minutes of the first episode, it became clear to me that the characters died, and after 30-year-old Katya disappeared and 60-year-old appeared, it came to an understanding that she was actually pumped out in this world, and this is her who has already returned in her old age to the afterlife - a world where time is distorted and space. In fact, no one spoke to anyone on the phone and they had no communication, this confirmed that Denis heard the voice of his mother, who allegedly called him (or rather Sonya) herself. In fact, he talked to his conscience. Max spoke with his vanity and fell for the promises of the owner. Water enhances hallucinations, which is proved by the final scene with Kozlov. The actor who plays the Host is simply incomparable. And the role of Denis Yankovsky is the best of what happened. I also had the idea at first that the one-eyed grandfather might be Denis upon his return to the afterlife, but it's worth remembering his diagnosis. Most likely, at the end of the last episode, he is already dying completely. By the way, during Sonya and Max's run through the monastery, they showed both free, and Lisa, and washing Denis's body while the old women were crying, and Arina and her mother, but Eli was not there. And I agree with the comment above about analogies with modern life in Russia - the dialogues of the final series are almost all about this. In general, I'm going to review what I usually don't do with modern TV shows, but it just went right there.
апноэ
04 Mar 2021, 03:19 # Show original
@Lofloka: Ali couldn't be. She is a Muslim
mavlytovfagiz
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05 Mar 2021, 04:07 # Show original
@apnea: she's not a Muslim)
Zhe_Nya
26 Feb 2021, 00:43 # Show original
I really liked the whole scene in the monastery, with the general feast, with the attempted escape of the journalist and Sonya, with the conversations woven into this environment. It was all very reminiscent of similar moments in Lynch's works, when they communicate with the viewer not at the level of logic, but somewhere far away, with the help of images, sounds, visual metaphors, and such a set in skillful hands creates a powerful impact. Not every detail needs to be chewed and put in your mouth, besides, they gave you enough clues. The main thing is the feelings that arose when watching, and the key thoughts that sounded simple and succinct. As a result, I give the series a positive assessment, certainly gives grounds for reflection, nicely scares before going to bed and once again gives reason to smile sadly, recognizing myself in someone on the screen. And then everyone chooses for himself: the owner, the train, in which you can endlessly turn in circles, and your own way, but in fact it is not so important - because no matter how much you wander, you always return to these swamps.
d-kniga
26 Feb 2021, 00:56 # Show original
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Марго18
26 Feb 2021, 01:12 # Show original
An interesting collection of photos from the shooting https://www.instagram.com/timakovo4kat/
music_annet
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 01:12 # Show original
A little wild Denis is certainly a delight. But there are so many questions left for the series and the story, it would be nice to have season 2. Still, there is a lot more that can be revealed. And so the aftertaste is pleasant: it will also be possible to review the series)
abdekvat
26 Feb 2021, 01:17 # Show original
I don't know what kind of water they drink there, but I want the same one
SedovaKate
26 Feb 2021, 01:24 #
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sidoy90
26 Feb 2021, 01:26 # Show original
Not a TV series, but solid Bondarchuk guns - they screwed everything up, nothing in the end did not add up to a complete picture. After the last episode, the feeling that you were deceived and watched in vain at all;(
mavlytovfagiz
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26 Feb 2021, 03:18 # Show original
@sidoy90: come on) look at the Matrix trilogy only after 20 years we figured it out more or less)) Bloggers will figure it out somehow.
VINT13
26 Feb 2021, 01:32 # Show original
Topi is Russia. That's the whole point of the series.
hullun_kissan
26 Feb 2021, 19:32 # Show original
@VINT13: The swamps are life itself. each of us has his own Master and to leave the Swamps, first you need the Master to let you go. otherwise, there is no way
SedovaKate
28 Feb 2021, 04:10 # Show original
@VINT13: In this case, it is better to look at Bykov, or Serebryakov, or Zvyagintsev...
werg1337
26 Feb 2021, 02:02 # Show original
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mavlytovfagiz
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26 Feb 2021, 03:20 # Show original
@werg1337: of course, it's easier to devalue than to try to figure it out.
GDK_ONE
26 Feb 2021, 03:51 # Show original
@mavlytovfagiz: No need to look for a secret meaning where there is none, xs where do people get this spgs. Most likely from school, when teachers were forced to sort out poems and works by Russian writers. Sirik looked at it once, but tomorrow he forgot.
mavlytovfagiz
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26 Feb 2021, 04:59 # Show original
@GDK_ONE: what do you think is the right way to watch this series?
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 19:15 # Show original
@GDK_ONE: Are you saying there are no references, metaphors, symbols to our reality?
SedovaKate
28 Feb 2021, 04:12 # Show original
@GDK_ONE: I absolutely agree. The meaning should be sought only in the cool works of great directors, but definitely not here
trepachella
26 Feb 2021, 02:33 # Show original
If we assume that Glukhovsky wanted to show Russia, then the Host is Putin, Denis is business, Max is journalism, Elya is Chechnya, but I don't understand who Katya and Sonya are. The poisoned water is obviously vodka. The whole of Russia drinks because it is better to live like this than to see reality clearly.
marinagee
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26 Feb 2021, 03:22 # Show original
@trepachella: That's just taken off the tongue) The same associations have arisen.
m1stakе
26 Feb 2021, 04:46 # Show original
@trepachella: Sonya is a meek Orthodox man (who of course can kill by singing cheerfully), Katya is a woman who is looking for a husband by sleeping with the first people she meets
id5789438
26 Feb 2021, 12:35 # Show original
@trepachella: I would like to show you.
wa11ken
26 Feb 2021, 13:11 # Show original
@trepachella: I think Katya is like a symbol of Russia's current policy (including freedoms and rights) - the country also turned 30 years old after the collapse of the USSR, and he again climbed out of all the cracks. Katya was abandoned by a guy - this is how the Russian Federation quarreled with the West, and she is looking for a new one - then China is her friend, then Venezuela, then Syria. Arina and her mother are how propaganda changes black and white, truth and lies - journalism sleeps with her, but business doesn't really like it))) Vodka is not only vodka, but in general the whole Russian mentality, what defines the life of people in the country in its current form is culture, history, etc. When the owner cuts off heads, it means that he takes them under control. The owner's car is the economy of the country, first it was hit by a crisis truck (this was during the collapse of the USSR) and the owner gave the business to drive, and then took it away again, and only when he needs it gives out with gasoline (state financing). Well, to the pile, it was already written above that the prisoners with their circle are deputies in the Duma, Benjamin are veterans and pensioners, Nyura is the rest of the apathetic population of the country. In general, everything will end according to Glukhovsky with the fact that Sonya and the business will kill the owner and drown the economy and the country in history))) I don't really understand who Sonya is yet
trepachella
26 Feb 2021, 14:01 # Show original
I've been racking my head about prisoners, who they are. But really. Circle - parliamentary immunity. There are probably not so many deputies here, but all officials, goobers and so on. The rest of your thoughts are really interesting.
wa11ken
26 Feb 2021, 14:03 # Show original
@wa11ken: maybe Sonya is a new Nurse (zhduny and terpily). She begged her sister like she begged her husband. A hint that everything will happen again while the water is poisoned (so then it goes in a circle). In general, the series in terms of riddles is far from Twin Peaks, but funny))
AK-09
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 03:08 # Show original
Well, damn, I really wanted some kind of explanation, but unfortunately we won't get answers, it turns out to be a story for the sake of a story, there are no exits and many characters are not disclosed.
I can't take away just how stylishly some scenes are made from which you squeeze in, especially when the owner was killed, I even at some point was like, well, they didn't kill anyone, they just tried, but in fact nothing is clear
And it's a shame that the characters who are like this, I'll do this, I'll deceive everyone and you won't stop me, they become puppets, because it's more comfortable that way
In the last episode, Yankovsky seemed to start playing another character, not at all like what happened in previous episodes, and why did he not swim out with Sonya because the disease did not go away anyway? Or what. Such heroism is not entirely clear.
It is also still not clear why the first scene was shot at the beginning of the series one at a time, and at the end in a completely different way.
Many unanswered topics and many expectations were discarded and immersed in the theme of hopelessness.But very stylish)
Alex_Trill
26 Feb 2021, 03:32 # Show original
It's like I understood so much and everything that I didn't understand anything!But I really liked it, it's something magical!Just yesterday I watched Glukhovsky's interview and found out what he looks like, I was very pleased with his presence during the meal. I also need as many explanations as possible for the series!
GDK_ONE
26 Feb 2021, 03:48 # Show original
Ofk the ending is merged into banality, I saw most of the things from the ending in the comments to the last series, I could not surprise.
MikhailovTimur
26 Feb 2021, 04:05 # Show original
The brain wants to find a simple and rational explanation, and it's easy to fall for this hook. I don't think it's here, or at least it's definitely not: "And everything is clear - it's just water. Thank you goodbye"
ChrisRedfield
26 Feb 2021, 04:33 # Show original
Water is more propaganda than vodka.
In general, the series, as an allusion to Russian reality, turned out to be very good. But ideally, I would like it to be a complete story in isolation from metaphor. So that an ordinary person can see just a good plot, and a thinking person can see the idea. Immediately, the idea was chewed head-on, and the story fell apart, completely surrendering to allegories.
However, a lot of things have remained unclear. For example, what does the same Arina symbolize with her mother? What's the point of an accident where everyone is dead? We definitely need to review all the episodes again.
In general, Glukhovsky is handsome. Just like that, out of nowhere, to take and dump a natural political Silent Hill is my hobby!
ЛесяРудницкая
26 Feb 2021, 04:33 # Show original
If the owner Vitaly Veniaminovich, the full namesake of Baba Nyura's son , seems to be her son , then why did she communicate with him so strangely at the table ?Some unanswered questions
Неукротимая
26 Feb 2021, 04:45 # Show original
It seemed to me that the Owner's son looked like Agent Cooper from Twin Peaks. From the last season, just where he is in two "guises", so to speak) here, too, you can reflect
wasted_views
26 Feb 2021, 04:45 # Show original
How cool Sukhanov is!
Hannah_Abbot
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 04:46 # Show original
Surprisingly, the series came to me very much, I watched each episode 2 times in anticipation of the next one, and most likely I will review it after a while. I liked that the characters do not shake, they are psychologically whole in their simplicity and motivation. Of course, there are questions about how some are shown. In my opinion, the Ale was underdone. The series got into my mood, and we were on the same wavelength, so the lack of chewing for all reasons doesn't annoy me, I don't need it.
m1stakе
26 Feb 2021, 04:48 # Show original
I would prefer a more unambiguous explanation of everything that is happening. But you probably can't shoot the second season with a more unambiguous one.
vk775121
26 Feb 2021, 06:12 # Show original
I'm surprised how many people are unhappy with the finale and like they weren't given answers... It's like it was with lost, where all the answers were evenly given on the series, you just had to watch, no, everyone was waiting for the uncle to come out in the finale and tell everything. So here, after the series, not a single open question arose, this work, although at the level of metaphors, is understandable and simple. If you want an interpretation of events, then they died at the very beginning of the series, and further and further it is the world of the dead, the events in Moscow are also not in the real world, this is the beginning of the path of souls who still think they are alive. Then there is a master in the afterlife, maybe there are many of them, as well as options for Swamps and each has its own. Souls come to him and he accepts them in exchange, but souls cannot just accept that they die and he creates illusions for them. For Christians, it makes prayers magical, for skeptics, here's some water with lsd. Etc. A cop is an old soul who resisted for a very long time and eventually accepted the rules of this world. He showed the journalist that his desires were insignificant and gave him another goal. And so on
loremipsum
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26 Feb 2021, 06:56 # Show original
"Nothing is clear, but it is very interesting."
Ядъвига
26 Feb 2021, 08:31 # Show original
Having cooled off from the series, I can say for sure that I liked the series. I don't understand the arguments around the details, because in the last series it was made clear that for the creators, first of all, it is important to show the characters at the moment of choice, and only this matters. Yes, the world of Swamps is infernal, it has its own laws and its own mechanics of processes, but this is all secondary. The main thing is the choice. In this regard, a policeman who understands the whole essence of what is happening is very indicative, but his choice is not to feel pain for his dead son, and he makes this choice consciously. As for the characters, from the very beginning of the series I was very worried about Denis, and I'm glad that he was able to get out of the Swamps. It doesn't matter where, the main thing is that he did what he wanted. Of all the heroes, he was the only one who thought all the time about how to get out. And the owner, indeed, did not keep him. Sonya was holding him, "she's his hook," he just couldn't leave her here, but as soon as she was in the same car with him and helped with the owner, his hook broke. Sonya is probably the hardest character. On the one hand, she feels evil very subtly. After Denis makes a deal with the owner, she begins to be wary of him. She can be seen staring intently at him, trying to figure out what's on his mind. On the other hand, Faith blinds her eyes and makes her weak-willed. Why, believing in God, she does not even allow the thought of temptation by the devil. Why doesn't he let his sister go? She's too kind. Even when Max talks about leaving, she still thinks about Al and Katya. And the strangest thing happens to her: on the one hand, she leaves the Swamp (moves away from direct contact with the villagers), but remains on the train. The finale of her story is open. Everything was clear with Max from the beginning. The hero chose an illusion in which he is doing well, instead of real life. In fact, this is the choice of the majority. The same woman Nyura, thanks to the Marshes, returned her husband. She doesn't care where to live, the main thing is with her beloved next to her.
id5789438
26 Feb 2021, 12:01 # Show original
It is said that when Lynch was filming Twin Peaks, the script was written during filming, the series was made by different directors, so there were many unanswered guns and unanswered questions in the series. The same goes for Lost. But then the whole series was filmed, everything had to be worked out by the screenwriters. A dozen inconsistencies have already been mentioned above. The cinematography is excellent with allusions to Tarkovsky. But the story ended with a thoughtful puffing of cheeks and meaningful winks from an army of reviewers and commentators. There was no twist in the finale. Now Glukhovsky will be invited by YouTuber bloggers, where he will explain, spreading his thoughts along the tree, what he meant. It was necessary to do this in the film. Everyone goes crazy in their own way and glitches cannot be shared. It's strange to write off water after all the turns. The materialistic explanation does not stand up to criticism. It turned out to be a kind of Charon, who decided to chop heads on the shore instead of transporting them by boat. The Glukhovsky Metro world has worked carefully, what happened here is unclear. Either he wrote it so vaguely, or something was cut when transferring it to the screen. And the train a la Strict regime Comedy finally spoiled the aftertaste, turning the story into a farce. Suddenly.
id5789438
26 Feb 2021, 12:32 # Show original
@id5789438: PS At the time of the release of the Survival Game, I wrote that it was pointless to look for meaning and put forward versions, because the authors were all the same... and they will merge, which in the end turned out to be. I did not expect this from Glukhovsky.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 17:40 # Show original
@id5789438: What kind of inconsistencies are you talking about?
Yulkafomkina
26 Feb 2021, 12:03 # Show original
And I liked the ending. Without any mysticism, everything is understandable (well, almost everything) and in general everyone got what they wanted.. but you need to be more careful with desires
kttnkv
26 Feb 2021, 13:24 # Show original
It's a great ending, but it's not necessary to decide which version is true - man-made or mystical. They don't contradict each other.
AhmetzyanovR
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 13:40 # Show original
How quickly Glukhovsky went from mysterious mystical to direct political overtones in one episode. Everything from the initials of the Owner, to working with the opposition, which can be bought, is such a bold allusion to Russia. I was hoping for something more subtle. More precisely, I hoped to have no politics at all in the mystery series, but where can I get away from it. Nowhere, as there is no escape from the Swamps, so there is no escape from the political subtext in Russia. Thanks for the series to the cameraman, director, actors, sound, and everything. It's much better than a Whirlpool. Gradually, the film search is going in the right direction.
prikhodkoyulia
26 Feb 2021, 14:20 # Show original
"Everything will be difficult with the finale of the series, too, and the authors advise to understand it in the same metaphorical way. "We do not know how the big story will end: the final rationalization of the historical plot is impossible. And it is also impossible to rationalize the plot of "Swamps". But the viewer will understand our ellipsis and believe in it." (c) Director Mirzoev.
privetandy
26 Feb 2021, 18:14 # Show original
Amazing cinematography and musical accompaniment, the plot that you puzzle over the whole series, even with seemingly obvious clues. There's a lot of naked Yankovsky, but excessive nudity has been a feature in Russian TV series lately. The finale is in the spirit of all episodes: think for yourself, decide for yourself.
rynsk
26 Feb 2021, 18:59 # Show original
@privetandy: >> A lot of naked Yankovsky , i.e. a lot of naked ass of Yankovsky, but naked boobs from Arina, Eli and Katya were quite the norm for the series?
Kassia
26 Feb 2021, 23:21 # Show original
@rynsk: obviously, the answer is "yes" :D
privetandy
27 Feb 2021, 00:51 # Show original
Not the norm, I agree, Arin's appearance is generally a separate story, but at least he is explicable by the character, and the rest had bed scenes, a bath, lured the driver) And a couple of his runs could have been removed, and your reverse sexism is not needed here, it's not about the field) but the quantity)
rynsk
28 Feb 2021, 01:25 # Show original
@privetandy: naked Yankovsky compensates for the bathhouse and bed scenes with girls. Don't you like it? they took it and squandered it, or covered their eyes with their palm, as in childhood. and reverse sexism has nothing to do with it) rather, your crystal ego rang.
privetandy
28 Feb 2021, 23:10 # Show original
You see what you want) Next time I will definitely ask you what to do, and I will hide my opinion to my precious ego, sorry)
hullun_kissan
26 Feb 2021, 19:26 # Show original
I don't know, I'm thrilled with the series! the whole story, starting from the very first episode, hinted at dualism in what was happening. After all, there were even two accidents in the beginning. and the ending turned out to be appropriate =) it does not matter whether they died or all this is real - each hero experienced his own catharsis and got what he aspired to. Yes, the series does not chew and does not put the plot in its mouth, but that's what art is all about! anyone can stupidly tell a linear story, but only a few can make you reflect on the topic of history. follow the available plots to the Territory. Psychology is in the Swamps.
xlbuff
PRO
26 Feb 2021, 23:39 # Show original
So they pumped it up in the beginning, and as a result they got a vulgar creation by Glukhovsky with rude allusions and a meager ending. Master, hooks, everyone needs a master, say it a hundred more times. Pretentious zilch, but it's a pity.
Redopera
27 Feb 2021, 00:16 # Show original
This situation with the owner is very well arranged. There is an understatement in everything, apparently in order not to resemble the already familiar stereotypes about demons, angels, broadcast through hundreds of films. The feeling of the Russian hinterland, darkness and hopelessness. Blackness, filth, lust, abuse, malice, hatred. The main characters are people with real problems. With ugly problems, turned inside out. The characters do not have superpowers, the series excludes special effects. The whole presentation goes through the dialogues and relationships between the characters, through their fears and prejudices. I still have the feeling that there is a simultaneous narration of two time lines. They sometimes seem to break into each other. Maxim Sukhanov famously played his character. Glukhovsky, as always, has more noir in his repertoire, more than in the subway. The camerawork stands out very much, as well as thanks for the soundtrack and to everyone involved in the work. Such paintings make you thaw towards Russian cinema.
re_kate
27 Feb 2021, 00:51 # Show original
Unfortunately, the puzzle did not work out.. Why did they show that 2 accidents did die? are all those who once died in the Swamps now living in captivity of their fears/desires and calling it a miracle? Why is it enough for someone to be afraid (Ale, Katya), someone has to swear to the owner for their desires (guys), someone drinks water (cop), and someone just believes (Sonya)? What is the root cause? In death, the master, the water? What's the owner's story other than that he was a director before he started growing maggots and curing cancer? Why did other scenarios periodically flash in the frame? How does this scheme work with the resort in general? Is it disposable or should I wait for an anthology?)) in general, did the Owner bring them all to replenish the zoo, or did he still need the heads? At first, he wanted to execute everyone, and then suddenly -"this one will be the driver, this one will confess me."..Why is the concept important "everyone needs a master" - how does it fit in with the personal fears and desires that they have been captured by?
HighlyLikely
27 Feb 2021, 13:53 # Show original
@re_kate: here are the same questions approximately. As good as the line with water-glitches-fears-desires turned out to be in the end, the line with the owner seems to be just as stretched. That is, it is good in itself, and it is approximately clear what they wanted to say, but because of the authors' obsessive desire to cram this "everyone needs a master" into the plot, the whole structure seems artificial. I also didn't understand why Yankovsky runs around with his bare ass all the time. Is this a movie language
FelixPai
01 Mar 2021, 05:55 # Show original
@HighlyLikely: Jankowski runs for girls
Kravchik0703
27 Feb 2021, 01:18 # Show original
It's a shame that they never told me what happened to Katya. The fact that she is the same strange grandmother, I realized from her first phrases about her friends. But what happened to her and why she was so reincarnated... It's like they forgot to tell you
xaozz
27 Feb 2021, 02:33 # Show original
In short, we are all in hell, the owner is a certain BB, curly-haired journalists are sold for gels, Durov is under the FSB, but he will save everyone. I'm going to drink some vodka. But how interesting everything is. And life is not boring. The dry grass is tormented. Russian Orthodox psychedelic. Drown Stupidly Top.
Galchona
27 Feb 2021, 02:35 # Show original
An endless stream of stoned consciousness..
Jesse
PRO
27 Feb 2021, 02:40 # Show original
But if he delves into mythology. And take it as an assumption that the Host symbolizes Charon, the carrier of souls to the realm of the dead. This may explain the fact that he took them to the monastery in the first episode. And the water of the Marshes is the water of the Styx. According to mythology, Charon transports the souls of those who have found peace. And all those who are stuck in the Swamps are not rested souls. Moreover, all those who died on the safari of the Owner, one way or another, received reassurance before death.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 02:40 # Show original
@Jesse: Charon just transports those who have found peace and that's it, but here he didn't even take them... it also torments. The Styx River and its waters lead to the fact that a person forgets everything, but here, on the contrary, the water brings memories back to life.
Ulyana20
27 Feb 2021, 02:48 # Show original
And how can I understand anything now?🤪 Well, the only thing is that I still tend to the theory that these are still 7 circles of hell, and all the characters are the personification of 7 deadly sins But of course, there are a lot of questions The host of the campaign is Sonya, otherwise I can't explain the last frame But I hope that they will stop there and will not shoot the second season, although there is a groundwork We'll see
FelixPai
01 Mar 2021, 05:53 # Show original
@Ulyana20: yes circles of hell 9 Where are two more lost?
sonya_oswalld
27 Feb 2021, 03:55 # Show original
What a trip 😨
tori_
27 Feb 2021, 05:41 # Show original
The scene with the run.... Just WOW It's very beautiful
norfolkspb
27 Feb 2021, 06:06 # Show original
The season finale seems to be a space with a brain explosion, but also an extra and not very high-quality cgi with Sonya on a train traveling in a circle. It would be better for the next season if the intrigue was left. And this is our second series in a year, which is not a shame.
vur-fur
27 Feb 2021, 06:13 # Show original
Lyaya was left to sit and think, but what was it.. They got confused, as if they greedily wanted to cram everything into one thing - the horrors of atomic technology, and a creepy Russian fairy tale, and mysterious temples with purgatory, and the lack of a Master and Margarita. A lot of good things have been lost behind this tinsel of the sacrament, plus a lot of things are made as if from a fool. Sit and look for the meaning, and choose the end you like. Some characters had no development at all (didn't they have enough budget for a Pomeranian?) There was such scope for creativity, for Easter eggs, but so few clear scenes
vur-fur
27 Feb 2021, 06:15 # Show original
And I understand correctly that miracle vodka is vodka, the owner is the one whose name cannot be pronounced, and the country goes in the ass in a circle. And there is no way out of this
FelixPai
01 Mar 2021, 05:48 # Show original
@vur-fur: water is propaganda that is poured into the ears of the media. You drank some water and you live in great Russia.
stunner
27 Feb 2021, 07:30 # Show original
I have a question for supporters of realism — why did my mother recommend this "monastery"? Why did I have to take my companions with me? Because of the safari on people?
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 02:42 # Show original
@stunner: In the first episode, all the answers are given to these questions.
insean
27 Feb 2021, 13:43 # Show original
The last episode recalled the universe of the Master and Margarita. The owner is the same Woland...
Sabi-Vasabi
PRO
27 Feb 2021, 17:32 # Show original
For Russia, this is a cannon series. Well done , I 'm waiting for the 2nd year of the season
puolga
27 Feb 2021, 18:15 # Show original
What a cool Sukhanov in the series! It should be shot more in movies, horror films and mysticism, very textured. And about the meaning of the series - so it 's practically a political satire . Glukhovsky is in opposition to the government, Topi is Russia, which is going in a circle waiting for a new owner....and datura water is the media, TV, propaganda, what we are all permeated with...
brutallegend
27 Feb 2021, 22:28 # Show original
Swamp (swamp) is an allusion to everything that surrounds us. There is a conditional owner who poisoned the local nature and water, and to whom everyone obeys - the cops, the inmates, the church (the murdered and reanimated corpse, who was killed again), corrupt journalists, "ilitka". The owner manages everything through fears - he breeds maggots in the heads of his victims, and then throws fishing rods. After all, as it was said, the owner loves to fish very much. You got hooked, you succumbed to fears - either death or you will stay in the swamp forever. The water from the swamp is a metaphor for the lies that accompany the power of the owner. As soon as you stop "drinking" this lie, you immediately begin to see everything differently. If you watch the series carefully, the cop was the last one who did not drink local water, always drank something of his own (from a flask, beer from a bottle, etc.). But he eventually gave up, because deceiving himself and living in an illusion is easier. And the main conclusion is that you cannot break out of the vicious circle, because the problem is not at all in the owner, but in the people who need him vitally.
dima1722
27 Feb 2021, 23:02 # Show original
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Louis-dePonD
27 Feb 2021, 23:39 # Show original
It didn't start badly, but it ended... as usual. I really liked everything that does not relate to the plot: the color scheme, musical accompaniment, cinematography, editing, atmosphere, acting, as for me, is also on the level. But the storyline, taking into account the denouement, is terrible. Now you really get tired of the tendency that you need to dig something out in order to "see the deep meaning." And I don't want to, I want to watch a decent series, maybe with a smaller budget and bombast, more mundane and with deep characters. Which, after watching, leaves any other emotions except pity for the time spent. There is too much useless junk that can be thrown away and the "plot" will not suffer. Although the actors do not play badly, but the characters themselves are empty and not interesting, you feel the same emotions for each of them for all the series - none. Conspiracy theorists and couch philosophers are probably happy to find evidence of the impermanence of existence, but I didn't see anything new, original, clever or even remotely interesting. As a child, I watched "When cicadas Cry" - the same setting of a rural backwater with its secrets. That's just the first season is 15 years old today, and with all its flaws, it looks many times better than "Topi" 2021.
dance_spirit
28 Feb 2021, 02:18 # Show original
Interestingly, they did not explain what happened to Katya all this time, she was at the table, and no one asked her, although it started with her disappearance. And yet, what kind of abilities the owner had and where they came from did not become clear how he "cured" Denis and returned the disease. In general, it reminded me of the book "twilight" by Glukhovsky, where everything that happened turned out to be a near-death "imagination" / dream or how to say it all...
FelixPai
01 Mar 2021, 05:41 # Show original
@dance_spirit: most likely, the owner simply inspired Denis that he had cured him.
Gordey
28 Feb 2021, 13:12 # Show original
Water means it's more dead than alive.. But I'm still inclined to think that they died and that's the afterlife, alas.. And all that is told only for the sake of a few strong monologues and dialogues, well, allusions to a lot, but everyone will see their own in them. It's gone for me!
HighlyLikely
28 Feb 2021, 13:15 # Show original
It turned out to be a great series. However, it looks like a constructor with unnecessary details. You can assemble 2-3 different independent stories from it, but one big one does not work very well, it falls apart, and you like it in parts. But in general, it is a lively, catchy movie. Somewhere it irritates, somewhere it touches, you agree with something, you want to argue with something. The main thing is to evoke emotions and start the thought process) There would be more of this.
annakozhevnikova
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 14:44 # Show original
I went to read the comments and realized that they are more interesting than the series) by the way, Glukhovsky reads them here too and even quotes Dima, hello
brutallegend
28 Feb 2021, 17:47 # Show original
@annakozhevnikova: And where does he quote? It even became interesting.
annakozhevnikova
PRO
28 Feb 2021, 18:22 # Show original
The other day at the clubhouse I heard in the room about his work
Svetlashenka
28 Feb 2021, 18:26 # Show original
What bullshit! In two words - the ravings of a madman 😖 another version of purgatory... life in despair ... I watched to the end with the hope of a tolerable ending, but .... I summarize: it will appeal only to those who love psychedelics... blurred boundaries between everything and everyone. What is the series for the rest ? 🤮 The only thing I kept at the screen was a beautiful picture, the director's work was excellent!
maringa
28 Feb 2021, 22:02 # Show original
Launch Travolta with a raincoat 😁
PineappleDrew
28 Feb 2021, 23:54 # Show original
Well, it was powerful, very powerful.
The only thing I didn't understand was the one moment whose picture Max took at school and left with her. And then they didn't remember about her.
deadfox
01 Mar 2021, 01:29 # Show original
Light drugs from Dmitry.
miss_lossy
01 Mar 2021, 04:58 # Show original
Meanwhile, Glukhovsky's Instagram: "I have answers to ALL questions about the plot of the Swamps. but I'll tell you what the fuck."
ndeee
FelixPai
01 Mar 2021, 05:28 # Show original
It seems to me that the swamp is a reference to modern Russia...Cyclicity one king will leave and a new one will replace him. The ending with the cop (the fact that he drank water) is a reference to the fact that it is easier for people to live in a cocoon of propaganda and lies than to change anything.
Doctor_13
01 Mar 2021, 05:30 # Show original
@FelixPai: if it's a reference, it's too obvious and blunt. I want to think of it as just an abstract story
Doctor_13
01 Mar 2021, 05:29 # Show original
A modern Woland?
Ospard
01 Mar 2021, 09:45 # Show original
After watching the series, I realized that I didn't understand anything. What did Glukhovsky want to say with this story? There are so many questions, and I don't even know if I liked the series as a whole or not, but the ending is not that open, it's kind of closed, but I left even more questions about the result. But what I definitely liked was the camerawork.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
02 Mar 2021, 01:44 # Show original
@Ospard: what Glukhovsky wanted to say, he said in an interview with Medusa.
Ospard
02 Mar 2021, 11:07 #
@mavlytovfagiz: спасибо,гляну!
Ядъвига
01 Mar 2021, 09:48 # Show original
If you get away from the political meanings of the last series, then Topi is a wish–fulfillment artist. What did Katya want? Forget yourself. This is what she got, turning into a distraught old woman with flashes of consciousness. Elya went on the run after the murder. What did she do in the Swamps? I was running. Then for someone, then from someone. Max went to "dig", the Swamps throw him a story with a maniac. Dig, investigate, enjoy. Sonya, being in the car with her father, tears off the cross, showing her doubts about faith. Everything that happens to Sonya in the Marshes shows her that "miracles" are not from God, but from the devil. Denis needs to accept death. And everything that happens to him is related to this. Conversations with Grandfather Benjamin. A conversation with Sonya at the monastery, when he confesses that he realized his impending death. And as the final chord, the mother's call. Death will be too early for everyone, as the owner says, but the key point is the memory of you. How you'll be remembered is what's important. More importantly, using the example of the "begged" Lisa and Benjamin, it becomes clear that for our loved ones we do not die, but continue to live in their hearts.
sherbakova_vs
01 Mar 2021, 12:53 # Show original
I hope there will be no continuation of this 💩
uil
PRO
01 Mar 2021, 19:02 # Show original
Has anyone figured out why Sonya is dressed like Lolita Arishka on the train?
pigaboutoranges2
19 Aug 2022, 15:41 # Show original
@uil: She's wearing the same top she's wearing from the bathhouse scene :) but in profile, she really looked a bit like that, with her hair pulled up and bare shoulders
tesslazy
02 Mar 2021, 02:13 # Show original
Okay, who is this one-eyed grandfather who flashed throughout the series?😬
FelixPai
02 Mar 2021, 02:34 #
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FelixPai
02 Mar 2021, 02:34 # Show original
@tesslazy: This is an older Denis
tesslazy
02 Mar 2021, 14:44 # Show original
And why is he one-eyed? Did the aged Katya beg him for herself?
Ytzin
PRO
30 Mar 2022, 20:15 #
@tesslazy: кстати, это бы многое объясняло, но герои встречают его в первый день, еще до исчезновения Кати. Тоже думаю что Денис (очень уж их синхронно показывали), но просто так, без какого-нибудь рационального объяснения.
Annie10792
29 Dec 2023, 19:02 #
@Ytzin: И я думала на Дениса. Прежде всего потому что этот тоже в шубе гуляет) Но вот где он глаз потерял, неясно)
Eva_4eva
02 Mar 2021, 21:08 #
Арина в одной из серий сказала типа "у нас главное во что ты сам веришь", и вот это весь цимес. Для каждого героя свое объяснение происходящему, как и для каждого зрителя, который принимает то, что ближе его типу мышления.
Eva_4eva
02 Mar 2021, 21:08 #
То есть развязка для Максима— логическое объяснение про воду, которое ему под нос подсунули, а он даже сомневаться не стал. И читаю комментарии посмотревших, многие из них тоже купились на объяснение про галлюциногенную воду и дальше не разбираются
Eva_4eva
02 Mar 2021, 21:09 #
Развязка для Сони — что Бог помог/оставил. Она изначально религиозная, как бы ни открещивалась, и в глубине души все равно на бога и чудеса надеялась, а когда все не случилось, то все это дъявол. И читала вот обзор одного блгера, она тоже думает, что проблема героев в том, что у них веры не хватило, они отвернулись от бога, а он из-за этого от них) Топи - это ад, а хозяин - Сатана. Но это такое же однобокое объяснение, как и первое, и для Сони оно исчерпывающе работает, как и для девушки, писавшей обзор.
Eva_4eva
02 Mar 2021, 21:10 #
Там не особо описывали, какое объяснение нашли для себя Катя и Эля, но значит не имеет значения А вот Денис - это самое интересное, с него все начинается, мож вообще все вообще нереально и он в коме лежит, гуляет по своему подсознанию, а друзей новых придумал, но если и допустить, что они все реально или умерли в москве или попали в аварию по дороге в топи, у дениса в отличие от них, есть искупление. Каждый из них встретился со своим демоном, но только он победил. Не забываем, что демонами могут быть как тайные и самые сильные желания, так и страхи. Денис считал, что все на свете продается и покупается, за деньги можно получить хоть любовь, и даже жизнь можно выторговать, если предложить достойную цену, например, еще четыре менее значимые жизни. И в конце, когда он поговорил с "мамой", на деле с последним хорошим, что в нем осталось, он пожертвовал собой и справился со своим демоном. и получил искупление. Вот такие дела. "у нас главное во что ты сам веришь" - и ты своей верой воплощаешь в жизнь и страхи, и сомнения и надежды. короче, это достаточно банальный сериал и нет в нем ничего сверх, но в свете дискурса - свежо.и подходя - своя концовка для каждого мне тоже понравился
Willful
23 Jan 2022, 16:19 #
@Eva_4eva: Денис верил, что все можно купить за деньги. У меня было предположение, что ему с самого начала выставили цену за излечение: привезти трех людей (в последней серии это вроде как опровергли, проверив его на "правда/ложь", но тут же оставили лазейку словами Максима, что "ты научился свою проверку обходить")
Annie10792
29 Dec 2023, 19:01 #
@Eva_4eva: Согласна с Вами. И это перекликается с версиями разных философов - того же Зеланда, к примеру - что мир - это зеркало твоего собственного мышления. Топи получились как мир в миниатюре. И его суть наглядно)
А Денис ушёл красиво в итоге, как бы там ни было)
Willful
23 Jan 2022, 16:14 #
@Eva_4eva: я тоже пришла к выводу, что каждому персонажу дали свое объяснение происходящего, так же как и зрителям. Каждый видит то, что готов увидеть. Странно, что ваши варианты для персонажей заминусовали.
Annie10792
03 Mar 2021, 04:32 #
Ехали-ехали наши герои в поисках чуда/спасения/карьеры, и приехали... к чертовой матери!))) Да-да, раз уж бабка, у которой они жили - мать этого Виталика))
smeshnulya
03 Mar 2021, 17:05 # Show original
more psychedelic, please
scarcelyinside
PRO
03 Mar 2021, 18:33 #
Столько теорий, а в итоге хорошо, что не сон собаки матери Дениса. Все получили то, от чего бежали. Денис договорился с "федералами" в лице Хозяина и умер, Максим стал продажным журналистом и остался с какой-то ведьмой, Катя состарилась одна, Элю подчинили и убили, Соня застряла и не может освободиться.
Сомневаюсь, что будет продолжение, хотя оставили там ниточек на случай 2 сезона и финал этот еще. Что за рыжая женщина в озере? Мама Дениса какая-то подозрительная в свете ее последней реплики. А уж к завязке подтянуть можно все что угодно от ситуации по типу падения фургона у Нолана, до карманной вселенной, scp-обьектов и около-хтони. Причем за пассаж про русскую провинциальную хтонь Глуховскому в твиттере уже прилетело. Такое себе высказывание от москвича с работой на RT в анамнезе. Причём он фигуру Максима проводит мимо нынешней тенденции (что в кино, что ирл) "честный журналист-расследователь vs все плохое". Хотя харАктерно Максим интереснее всех ощущается, и актер окей. Про Дениса все всё уже сказали. Ваня Янковский красивый, лишь бы в Петрова 2.0 не превратился. Из девочек Эля самая интересная, но ее мало и она не раскрыта как персонаж, Катя вообще промелькнула, Соня бесила весь сериал со своей благостностью. Ликую, что в итоге она все равно там застряла, а то я в какой-то момент подумала, что Глуховский натягивает на сюжетный глобус сову социально-политической повестки и выводит Соню как метафору спасения Прекрасной России Будущего тм через религию — ну ее нафиг, такую ПРБ.)
В целом сериал лучше, чем у нас обычно бывает. Операторская группа зачет, визуально хорошо. Диалоги в начале сырые, да и актёры текст как с листа читают, мат местами ну до смешного неорганичный, но чем дальше — тем лучше, правда. Со звуком как обычно: то все ок, то ничерта не слышно, то актёры что-то себе под нос мямлят. Ну везде эта ерунда, что за проклятье со звуком повсеместное.
alilalulay
04 Mar 2021, 21:35 #
@scarcelyinside: Полностью соглашусь с первым абзацем) Мне кажется даже не стоит анализировать детали, чтобы получить основной смысл. Даже в кардинально других условиях все остались по сути там же, где и были. Это и отражает девиз сериала.
vafinskaya
03 Mar 2021, 19:52 #
Сериал без финала. Красивая картинка, достаточно хорошо стравливались со своей задачей главные герои, но, в конце уж больно сильно переигрывали. Досмотрев до конца сериал, у меня вопросов стало ещё больше, чем после просмотра первой серии. Непонятно
Revenant01
19 Apr 2021, 00:08 #
@vafinskaya: Всё же раскрыли в последней серии. Не досмотрели?
vk246373
04 Mar 2021, 01:03 #
Смесь Территории, Лапси и Игра на выживание... Может меня глючит? Или просто в лесу дешево снимать
Raf8678
PRO
04 Mar 2021, 01:09 #
Ета какой-то пиздец, товарищи. Примерно такое щущение после окончания просмотра. Словно сам той водицы принял
veer
04 Mar 2021, 03:20 #
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su_ware_a_t_m
04 Mar 2021, 22:18 #
кто этот хозяин?
Ofer
04 Mar 2021, 23:39 #
В общем. Впечатления от 1 сезона больше положительные. Понятно, что не всё объяснили, однако лично у меня и так не было каких-то огромных ожиданий, тем более теорий всяких таких не строил. Было интересно и увлекательно смотреть. Если будет 2 сезон, то я не против.
freddie_dark
07 Mar 2021, 02:03 #
@Ofer: соглашусь! Правда, не думаю, что тут имеет смысл второй сезон, история вполне себе завершенная. Разве что я бы посмотрела на то, как всё-таки мент и журналист сбегают-таки из плена иллюзий.
FelixPai
07 Mar 2021, 07:40 #
@freddie_dark: Так если они "сбегут" то весь посыл сцены где мент пьёт воду на нет сойдёт
Willful
23 Jan 2022, 16:31 #
@Ofer: второй сезон если снимать, то уже с новой группой, приехавшей за чудом. Параллельно можно некоторых персонажей из первого сезона оставить, того же Максима, например.
KostyaSib
07 Mar 2021, 14:52 # Show original
Rating on KinoPoisk 1 out of 10.
DObro_poshlo
08 Mar 2021, 02:31 #
Мне больше всего понравилось, что по итогу никакой мистики и нет. Все объясняется местной водой с галюциногенами. Все эти скрепоносные инфернальные орки, показанные в пердяевке - глубинный народ. Расисты, содомиты, сектанты, терпилы и поехавшие. Барин им со скуки рубит бошки и рофлит над народом-победителем. А они терпят. Главное чтоб не солдаты нато. И никому ниче не сделать, ведь завод стратегического значения и коптит воздух ради ракет, чтоб пиндосам дать посасать. Жаль не показали как все эти инфернальные орки голосуют за поправки в конституцию на своих пнях. Можно было бы строить какие-то теории о том, что на самом деле хипстеры померли в аварии и теперь в чистилище и тд и тп. Но, я думаю, все понимают что хотел сказать глуховский.
осуждаю+неодобряю
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
11 Mar 2021, 13:27 #
@DObro_poshlo: а то что в сериале есть ведьма, которая изменила свой возраст вас не смущает?) воскрешение сестры, которую видят другие? поп, который не умирает каждый день вешаясь? дед воскресший? Хозяин меняющий свою внешность? временные аномалии? русалка в воде? поезд, который ездит по кругу? Топи из которых нет выхода?
Leyton
25 Mar 2021, 17:03 #
@mavlytovfagiz: "Все объясняется местной водой с галюциногенами." А вас эта фраза не смущает или вы её пропустили как и последнюю серию?
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Mar 2021, 00:32 #
@Leyton: как раз вода в данных случаях ничего не объясняет и именно для этого и перечислил эти случаи.
Leyton
02 Apr 2021, 19:44 #
@mavlytovfagiz: Да не было никаких воскрешений... Ведьма не меняла себе возраст, просто с помощью воды транслировала другим себя как свою дочь, а дочь увидев мать в образе себя сошла с ума... Хозяин, если вы не обратили внимания, тоже пил воду... В последней серии сказали же всё и объяснили
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
03 Apr 2021, 01:03 #
@Leyton: аргументация на уровне "ты не прав, я прав"
derxot
08 Mar 2021, 06:04 #
Из трехсот комментариев насчитал меньше десятка врубившихся. А всего-то надо: следить мало-мальски за политикой, да знать взгляды Глуховского. Вывод: Топи и в комментариях по полной.
Снято качественно, Аигел топ. Автор, как обычно, не знает, что делать дальше, но, вероятно, этот процесс сеяния зерен в коллективном бессознательном какие-то плоды да дает. Как минимум респект за точность фиксирования в момент перехода системы из одного состояния в другое.
kvagga
08 Mar 2021, 23:47 #
То, что вы разглядели лежащую на самом виду политическую параллель - не вот прям достижение. Да и ее наличие скорее как дополнение к той или иной трактовке событий.
derxot
09 Mar 2021, 05:24 #
@kvagga: Вообще - достижение. Раз большинство основного смысла сериала в упор не видят. А те кто видят, вроде вас, хотят этот смысл из первого ряда убрать во второй. Вытеснение это или что, я не знаю, но сериал тем и ценен, что говорит о самом актуальном сегодня, рефлексирует на ходу. Да, можно было не так толсто это делать в последних сериях. В следующем комменте у вас почему-то концовки/смыслы взаимоисключающие (необходимость "выбирать", чтобы устроило), хотя они все ложатся одна на другую без противоречий. Просто одна про сюжет, вторая про метафизику сериала, а третья про то, что двигало автором. Ну и странно еще, что вас удивляет, как Хозяин тоже из бутылки попивает.
kvagga
09 Mar 2021, 11:27 #
Как бы это правильно выразить... политический/социальный подтекст определенно есть. Пускай даже это и главный посыл. Но это не вяляется сюжетом, не объясняет событий сериала и действий персонажей. У меня к сожалению нет времени описывать и вспомниать все детали, но тем не менее есть эпизоды как против так и за теорию водичики. И тоже самое с посмертием.
derxot
09 Mar 2021, 15:37 #
@kvagga: Как я выше написал, эти теории могут существовать в сериале одновременно, а вы пытаетесь их разделить и встать только на одну. Вот одна теория для рационалистов. Вот другая теория для мистиков. Вот третья для политических. Выше много народу приняли свою пилюлю-теорию и успокоились. Вы же не можете. Так я предложу вам ответ: они все наслаиваются друг на друга, перекликаются и противоречат, как во сне. Сон - территория бессознательного. Авторы хотели зачерпнуть бессознательное нашего общества, чтобы в нем поразбираться творческим методом. Это живое экспериментальное варево, а не 5 лет продумываемая конструкция, как у Линча с третьим сезоном. Вот нитки и торчат. Плюс, как и в жизни, все влияет на все. Производство, история и власть, все является двигателем, первоистком проблем, не может исчезнуть и толкает общество на броуновское движение. Как сложно общество, подобием такой же сложности авторы попытались наделить и сериал. Вам устраивает такая теория?
kvagga
09 Mar 2021, 22:43 #
На самом деле спустя сутки после просмотра, я немного попереваривал в себе увиденное и понял что свои выводы я сделал наверное слишком рано. И в принципе минут так 15-20 назад пришел к похожему выводу: рациональное+мистическое. По крайней мере на данный момент. Думаю через пару месяцев пересмотрю с большим вниманием к деталям. Да, всю дорогу были ассоциации с Линчем и третьим сезоном в частности. Линча очень люблю, но при этом не могу сказать, что целиком понимаю ТП3 или простигосподи внутреннюю империю. В Топях все-таки нет настолько жесткого символизма и пусть даже неверные теории вполне себе укладываются. К примеру сейчас, учитывая концепцию «рациональное+мистическое вместе» я бы предположил, что главный герой все-таки достиг своей цели и выбрался, тк судьба всех остальных главные героев показана однодначно (ну почти).
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
11 Mar 2021, 13:30 #
@derxot: так ведь наоборот вы пытаетесь основной смысл сериала из первого ряда убрать на второй, а вперед выставляете скрытый политический подтекст)
derxot
16 Mar 2021, 15:44 #
@mavlytovfagiz: По-вашему он сам не вылез вперед в последних сериях? Как раз потому, что он так нарочито вылез вперед, можно и делать вывод, что это основной смысл. Был бы он скрытым, не был бы таким нарочитым. Я уже писал выше, что это скорее просчет или недостаточный талант создателей, делать такие лобовые вещи. И простите, какой у вас основной смысл сериала-то? Сюжетно там могут разные толкования, хоть я и считаю, что это задумка авторов, все в кучу впихнуть для разных категорий зрителей. Но смысл там только политико-социальный: откуда мы, куда идем и почему мы такие. Ну и зеркало поднести зрителю. А вообще ниже правильно написали, что это красивый клип Аигел. @kvagga: Попробуйте почитать 4 части разбора третьего сезона, вышедшие не так давно. Чтение крайне увлекательное, хоть и не претендующее на истину во всем. https://dtf.ru/cinema/138560-perevod-chetyrehchasovogo-razbora-tvin-piks-pervaya-chast При этом я очень люблю Внутреннюю исперию и не очень - третий сезон, хоть и признаю мощь концепта, судя по разбору.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
17 Mar 2021, 13:20 #
@derxot: вы упорствуете в безумии.
Основной смысл везде указан авторами: "Столкнувшись с неразрешимыми проблемами, пять молодых москвичей убегают в монастырь неподалеку от полузаброшенной деревни Топи. Они воспринимают поездку как приключение, долгожданную свободу от забот и возможность забыться. Однако путешествие оборачивается чередой загадочных событий, которые лишь приближают то, от чего они бежали, и заставляют сомневаться в реальности происходящего."
То что вы видите это второй смысловой слой с отсылками на нашу реальность.
derxot
17 Mar 2021, 18:29 #
@mavlytovfagiz: >вы упорствуете в безумии. Не обижайтесь, что на это вам ответят, что вы упорствуете в глупости. В синопсисе сюжет, а не смысл. Мы же смысл произведения, заложенный авторами обсуждаем, а не его краткий пересказ или ваши смыслы, которые вы там нашли в меру своего развития.
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
17 Mar 2021, 23:31 #
@derxot: вы в курсе что Топи не существует в реальности?)
Leyton
25 Mar 2021, 17:09 #
@mavlytovfagiz: А где вы живёте по-вашему?) Совсем не доходит?)
mavlytovfagiz
PRO
26 Mar 2021, 17:42 #
@Leyton: в реальности и вам желаю в нее возвращаться из фантазий Глуховского.
Ytzin
PRO
30 Mar 2022, 20:11 #
@derxot: Если автору так неймется писать про политику, пусть идет в публицистику, а то вон по его мнению в стране ни одного не продажного журналиста, а Ведомости публиковали в прошлой жизни джинсу. Очевидно же, что автору хочется писать сказки, а не публицистику. То что он при этом довольно таки топорно и очень заметно кстати (если люди про это не пишут, не значит что они этого не видят, им просто не интересно, например) пихает в эти сказки свои политические взгляды, так это не достижение, это беда.
derxot
30 Mar 2022, 20:52 #
@Ytzin: Как-то дико видеть такие посты после того, как беда сейчас пришла как раз из-за того, что людям была не интересна политика. Но бедой почему-то называются попытки автора поговорить о самом важном.
kate_kassie
08 Mar 2021, 22:15 #
один из самых неоднозначных сериалов что я смотрела. лайк.
MelamoriBlimm
08 Mar 2021, 22:26 #
Поехали как-то Пашка Дуров и Одуван Варламов в архангельскую глубинку и словили там мощный приход. Психоделика с претензией. Все в стране пидарасы, алкаши и рабы и только Глуховский Д`Артаньян. Все видит, все понимает и пишет сказки на эту тему.
kvagga
08 Mar 2021, 23:36 #
Лично меня с одной стороны «устроила» концовка с галюциногенной водой. Условно тот, кто её пьет, тот «видит» свои желания или страхи. Кто хочет быть в реальности (например мент) воздерживается от нее. А с другой - в первых кадрах сериала, когда Хозяин едет встречать наших героев на станцию, то также попивает из бутылки. И вот это как-то не очень вяжется в одну картину. В любом случае считаю, что сериал вышел топовый, с шикарной съемкой, довольно интересными персонажами и главное с возможностью для зрителя «выбрать» ту концовку/смысл, которая устроит его. Для кого-то массовые галлюцинации, для кого-то «посмертие», а для кого-то исключительно политический подтекст и параллели с современной страной.
HighlyLikely
10 Mar 2021, 15:07 #
@kvagga: Хозяин хочет хозяйничать, и когда он пьет воду, его желание сбывается - глюки пьющего героя видит не только он сам, но и те, кто рядом. А потом уже его галлюциногенная власть смешивается с заморочками остальных и их желанием, чтобы кто-то решил их проблемы.
pigaboutoranges2
19 Aug 2022, 15:54 #
@kvagga: так Хозяин же такой же "клиент" лимба, что и все остальные - директор комбината хотел всемогущества, вот и ездит на гелике и бошки рубит. А его родная мать его не узнает (мне кажется, он очень искренне расстраивается от этого). Поэтому, будучи убитым, но явно ничего не искупившим, он возвращается обратно в лимб, но уже мальчиком у своих родителей.
sssonnyaaa
09 Mar 2021, 23:47 #
Что за рыжая баба плавала в реке, когда Денис и Макс ругались и Ден купался?)
Sabi-Vasabi
PRO
12 Mar 2021, 19:26 #
Не могу понять неужели будет продолжение?
PanPanich
PRO
14 Mar 2021, 02:26 #
Команда отличная! Кроме Глуховского... Тут либо топи за реальность с водой, либо за чудеса с пропавшим раком и подменой тел и... (бесконечный список). Мешать их нельзя, зритель чувствует, что его обманули и не дорассказали. Вот реально, "они все умерли", хоть и повторение лоста, самая выигрышная теория, но автор пошел другой дорогой. В итоге пшик. Для меня сериал запомнится, как отличный, дорогой и длинный видеоклип Аигел.
kvagga
14 Mar 2021, 14:01 #
В лосте не было «они все умерли»
fanami_fan
15 Mar 2021, 23:46 #
Зачем искать мистику там где ее нет.??специально задурили нас с этим загробным миром. А по факту во всем виновата вода.. каждый выпив сталкивается со своими страхами и живет в своих глюках. Ну может кроме Эли( хотя перед тем как с ума сойти она выпила воды и увидела убитого ей), поэтому она и сдалась..Катин страх состариться одной, вот она и сошла с ума подумав, что это так и есть Максим замутил с Ариной, которая тетка поверившая, что забрала красоту дочери и передавшая свой глюк всем попившим. Дочь ее просто сошла с ума поверив матери, что та с ней телами обменялась. Соня не может убежать из Топи, тк потеряла веру в людей, все мрази и предатели, а Москве их еще больше. Мент уже по привычке работал на хозяина, хотя сперва цель была сына спасти. После он решил выйти из реальности и увидел мертвого сына. Массовый психоз и страхи.. никакой паронормальщины, лишь социалка и немного глюков.
PanPanich
PRO
16 Mar 2021, 22:43 #
@fanami_fan: это конечно хорошее объяснение, но, по идее, галлюцинации должны быть индивидуальные, а они тут массовые. Если это и вода, то массовые глюки - упущение сценариста. Есть примеры массовых галлюцинаций, но там должно совпасть очень многое, + массовая звуковая галлюцинация, такая сложная, как речь, невозможна. А они там группой с неживыми общались.
Leyton
22 Mar 2021, 02:28 #
@PanPanich: В ЛОРе/вселенной данного произведения галлюцинации массовые. Если что-то видит один, это видят и другие. Что тут непонятного?
PanPanich
PRO
22 Mar 2021, 19:54 #
@Leyton: если такой лор - ок, но тогда это реальность с фантастическим допущением, а само произведение фантастика.
Leyton
25 Mar 2021, 16:54 #
@PanPanich: Омг.. Тут действительно социалка и философия основополагающие. "Загробным миром" создатели сериала проводят зрителя через мысли "А может всё что происходит вокруг и есть ад? Может все уже мертвы на самом деле?". Подобные мысли, не поверите, возникают у многих, в том числе в России, аллюзией на жизнь в которой и является сам сериал. И в конце выводят к финалу "Да нет же, всё вокруг настоящее, просто всех поят водичкой". Под "водичку" можете подставить всё, что уводит человека от реальности - пропаганда/вера/убеждения/и т.д. Можно ещё поразмышлять на тему того, что в Топях нет врачей, т.е. в России убито здравоохранение, нет учителей - привет образованию. А ещё нет детей, как таковых. Сейчас вспоминаем СССРовские "Дети - цветы жизни" и "Дети наше будущее", т.е. Топи без детей - Россия без будущего, страна, в которой время где-то остановилось. И размышлять можно долго, ибо произведение получилось довольно интересное и многослойное. Какая нахрен фантастика? Тут мистика и та только для вида, метафор и аллегорий. Сидит рассуждает, возможна ли массовая звуковая галлюцинация... в сериале, где сценарист Глуховский... Ага. У вас религия такая, всё сводить к какому-то жанру? Или просто думать умеете только в каких-то рамках?
PanPanich
PRO
25 Mar 2021, 22:08 #
@Leyton: Имеете право на мнение. Я лишь отвечал на комент fanami_fan, и думал, что ваш комент подтверждает его. Но так как вы сказали, что это мистика, а в коменте fanami_fan четко сказал, что мистики нет, значит ваш первый комент не совсем здесь уместен. Если мистика не часть фантастики, то вам в Википедию. Аллегории и метафоры в добротной фантастике всегда присутствовали, фантастика же не про будущее/ альтернативное прошлое/ другие миры, это всегда про то что волнует автора в момент написания, отражения/рефлексия на окружающий мир.
Leyton
02 Apr 2021, 20:05 #
@PanPanich: Можете почитать. Тут и про мистику, и про фантастику, и про реальность... https://tjournal.ru/stories/356840-ostrov-letayushchih-zhenshchin-kak-zhiteli-italyanskogo-ostrova-godami-videli-gallyucinacii-protiv-svoey-voli
somethingblednoe
20 Mar 2021, 21:48 #
Досмотрела несколько часов назад. Долго не могла определиться с конечным мнением, спустя несколько часов тольво все обдумала и поняла весь смысл. И конечный ответ. Я в восторге. Потому что, давайте честно, русские сериалы говно. Этот же зацепил своей съёмкой. А так же атмосферой. В начале очень бесили диалоги героев: „ Ну поехали, будет классный trip". Но спустя пару серий, исчезают английские словечки и слух они уже не режут.
thisisanny
21 Mar 2021, 20:51 #
блин,ну много чего осталось незавершенным и непонятным, называется додумывай сам
thisisanny
21 Mar 2021, 20:52 #
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snorkelle
25 Mar 2021, 00:41 #
Мне понравились первые 4 серии. А потом как всегда 😂 Жаль, что последние две серии уже совсем были неинтересные. Перенапридумывали что-то уж слишком, мутотень одним словом. ИМХО.
пупа
26 Mar 2021, 01:15 #
Что поёт Соня, когда убивает хозяина?
id165383750
30 Mar 2021, 00:15 #
Вроде все ПонЯтно, а вроде и нехрена не ПонЯтно
id165383750
30 Mar 2021, 00:19 #
Отравленная вода, Окей, от туда у многих и глюки , но в конце нам показали поезд с кольцом, как бы намекая всё-таки на мистику. С Ариной тоже не поняла, репортёр вроде воду не пил, а что она старуха так и не заметил, или если старуха махнулась с дочкой местами, то это Ведьма получается, значит мистика какая-то и вода не причём вовсе. Главный герой и правда знал куда друзей везёт или не знал? Ведь когда он говорил с хозяином, тот сказал мол ты мне 3 человек обещал, а по итогу он и сам не понимает что происходит. Подруга которая в самом начале пропала, появилась в конце и никого это вообще не смутило. Вообщем вопросов как-то дохрена. Если у кого-то есть версии или ответы хоть на один мой вопрос, то буду рада почитать в коментах
Fogget
12 Jan 15:55 #
@id165383750: "подруга которая в самом начале пропала, появилась в конце". Вы про Катю с желтым платочком? Она же появилась только потому что Максим выпил водку. Я так понимаю, водка действует как противоядие против этой странной воды. Вот и увидел он в бабульке Катю. Только вопрос, почему она выглядит старушкой, непонятно
xxxSerGxxx
30 Mar 2021, 12:35 # Show original
At first it was interesting, and then the series rolled off. End of G * VNO.
Homapuyc
01 Apr 2021, 17:44 #
Операторская работа шикарна, звуковой ряд хорош, атмосфеность глубинки захватывает, Максим Суханов отыгравший роль хозяина моё почтение. А вот последние серии как-то двоякое чувство вызывают...
derxot
02 Apr 2021, 19:27 #
Свежее разжевывание от Глуховского, весь эфир про Топи. Наибольшая концентрация во второй половине. И про сны, и про безвременье, и про хозяина, и про внутренний фашизм. https://youtu.be/PYXSFUnh5Wg
_прокрастинатор_
PRO
11 Apr 2021, 23:04 #
с одной стороны приятно оказаться правой. предвидела "самую простую развязку с водой" ещё перед выходом 8. уж слишком во многих сценах на воде делали акцент. интересно, что все в итоге оказалось никак не связано с мистикой, но при этом каждый получил все то от чего так "успешно" пытался бежать.
и кака же душещипательная сцена полицейского с сыном💔
можно долго обсуждать сюжет, актёров (лично, мне кажется, все на своих местах), но какая же офигенная атмосфера в сериале. она такая мистическая (но что удивительно все снято при свете солнца, а не в туманных тёмных лесах. как говорил режиссёр "Солнцестояния", "мой фильм - это новый вид фильмов ужасов - все смерти происходят днем". вот тут похожая стилистика) и триповая, а какой идеально подходящий саунд 💚
насчёт актёров повторюсь. я люблю Янковского и включила сериал из-за него и крайне занимательного сюжета, но даже мне иногда было его чересчур много. вот выкрутить ему бы на 5-9% его экспрессивности поменьше и было бы прям хорошо. все первые 2 серии не могла понять, где я могла видеть Тишу. и только к 3-4 до меня дошло, что это новый Игорь Гром (и видела я его в трейлере. не зря вся семья баббл решила его подстричь. он становится неузнаваем🤭). вот он мне прям зашёл. такой вечный искатель правды (кстати идеально его героя описывает - все продаётся и все покупается). Тиша прям поработал и после Игоря (а я смотрю после Грома, кстати #поддержитемайорагрома) выглядит совсем другим героем. горжусь таким новым и классным русским актёром. Максим Суханов восхитителен и крал моё внимание в каждой сцене👍 остальные для меня прошли достаточно ровно. ах, ещё же получился драйвовый дуэт у Тиши и Вани. их взаимодействие дарило радость мне все эти серии.
в общем надеюсь продолжения не будет. получился неплохой сериал со своими недостатками (хотя Мефи считает его прям отвратительным, но у каждого свое мнение). минимум, который мы вынесли - это отличный оператор, тандем Тиши и Вани (Тиша там проговорился в подкасте, что, возможно, в скором времени ещё раз их встреча на экране), завораживающего Суханова и Аигела в главных саундреках, и за это искренне спасибо создателям ❤
_прокрастинатор_
PRO
12 Apr 2021, 00:09 #
@_прокрастинатор_:просто посмотрите на этих двоих
ZWeRWoLf
13 Apr 2021, 20:48 #
В Топях есть великий и ужасный Хозяин. Обладающий сверхъестественной силой, он является неким «исполнителем желаний» для народа, который обитает под его "крышей". До конца разобраться о природе этих отношений нельзя, можно лишь сказать об одном — Хозяин упивается властью,очень любит рыбалку и охотится на людей. Эти три факта неплохо перемешаны. Он срубает людям головы, после чего в них заводятся опарыши, на эти опарыши он рыбачит, а чтобы не стать очередным кормом для рыб, людям живущим в Топях, нужно жить по Хозяйской воле. Так как рыбачить на что-то все же нужно, Хозяин организовывает время от времени путевки в чудодейственный храм. Именно так Хозяин договорился с главным героем. Либо подчинив его своей воле, либо договорившись и стерев память. Мне очень понравился это сюжетный ход. Но как это вяжется с посмертием? Да в принципе никак. По идее это самое логичное что может быть: натравить на зрителей концепт, чтобы тот ему верил. Зритель, надо сказать, очень обиделся на такой ход. А что, вы действительно просто поверили в то, что вам сказали с экранов и почувствовали себя самыми умными? Вы наверное просто спутали сериалы, и ждали чего-то более прямого.
ZWeRWoLf
13 Apr 2021, 20:48 #
Не менее популярная теория лежит в чудесах, связанных с водой в Топях. В финале, где прям ярко показывают влияние воды в момент питья чудо-водицы, может дать вам ответы на все вопросы. Да и сам журналист раскопал сенсационные материалы про этот ваш химкомбинат и его Хозяина.
Если докапываться до этой теории, то уж сверхъестественные силы Хозяина объяснить тупо бэд-трипами не удается никак. Про химическую воду начинает задвигать журналист, фактически это сново явное решение, которое нам протащили, чтобы мы могли это все схавать. Персонаж сериала явно пихает тебе то, как все тут устроенно, зритель снова во все это верит. Но правильное решение, верить человеку, который просто очень хочет найти сенсацию? Если вы считаете, что в конце все объяснилось одними лишь чудесами воды, то мне кажется, что это только часть из целого. И злится, что ваша теория разбилась от пары кадров - глупо, вы снова поймали крючок, который кинул Хозяин.
Наиболее понравившиеся мне слова в сериале это то, что сам Хозяин говорит, что никто тут не может без хозяина. Он никого тут не держит, но менять что-то никто не хочет. Вторая мысль в том, что по ходу сериала персонажи то и дело спрашивают у друг друга «А ты сам-то во что веришь?». Вот из этих двух фраз и можно трактовать линию сериала.
Топи это некое магическое место, откуда либо нет выхода, либо откуда никто и не хочет возвращаться. А все потому, что в Топях сбываются самые заветные желания. Вот только исполняются они не от бога, а скорее от дьявола. Исполнение либо не приносит счастья, либо тянут за собой множество неприятных последствий. Это то, что я увидел в сериале, а не то, о чем мнеи сказали его персонажи.
Если Хозяин верит, что он тут Хозяин, значит так оно и есть. Если ведьма верит, что она красивая, значит так оно и будет. И если мент решил поверить, что сын у него живой и здоровый, значит можно пожить и в этой утопии. Вода может помочь ему в этом психологически, а не изменить реальность или поддержать бэд-трип.
ZWeRWoLf
13 Apr 2021, 20:48 #
Сам Дмитрий Глуховский изобразил мир, в котором жил когда-то. Бабка, говорящая с давно умершим дедом, люди, верящие в то, что мертвые живут рядом без какого-то логического объяснения. Топи это набор аллюзий, метафор, политических рассуждений. Все, что непонятно — принято считать высокоинтелектуальным. А на самом деле это может быть просто интересное произведение, где нет четкого ответа. Вы можете трактовать его как вам угодно — это было снято для вас.
talinakalina
16 Apr 2021, 16:46 #
Как то затянуло меня в Топи
Revenant01
18 Apr 2021, 23:57 #
Я не понял прикола комментов по поводу психоделики и непонятной концовки. Вроде же раскрыто то. что всё было из-за отравленной галюциногенами воды. И в самой концовке милиционер специально идет к колодцу напиться этой воды чтобы забыться и после кружки ему начинает мерещиться умерший сын.
_linaryaden
PRO
25 Apr 2021, 19:01 #
Что-то неожиданное от русского сериала
alvviisa
27 Apr 2021, 01:57 #
Настолько плохо, что аж хорошо. Я в восторге
ellaija
28 Apr 2021, 01:41 #
Полный пипец 🙄 но интересно до невозможности 😜 особенно две последние серии 😌 . Янковский в последней серии просто шикарен, а в этой шубе как сутенер 😂 Несколько раз посмотрела как он Жизневского по лбу ложкой бил 😂
id264460076
29 Apr 2021, 23:48 #
Эмм... и че это было?
Publicist
09 May 2021, 01:39 #
А прям таки зашло!!
snchka
PRO
10 May 2021, 21:05 #
Какой бред...
mrmr_hova
12 May 2021, 20:20 #
Очень здорово!
EvilClown
13 May 2021, 21:20 #
Плохо быть дураком, но всегда есть более прозорливые и смекалистые, которые еще не ленятся писать комментарии. Глуховский - красавчик, замутить такой уровень аллюзии это нечто, да еще в конце типа слить всю тему. Советские режиссеры и сценаристы конечно тоже прятали истинные смыслы от цензуры, но здесь это сделано шедеврально. На секунду отвлекитесь от темы жизни/смерти - тут всё и все живут прямо сейчас. Но все герои не "люди", а олицетворения бизнеса, журналистки, народа, силовиков, законодателей и Хозяина (если более развернутые описания - полистайте тред). Пазл сложился?
ukardesu
18 May 2021, 01:04 #
Мне идея с водой показалось чистейшим блефом для журналиста. Потому что очевидно, что главные герои умерли еще в начале первой серии и после этого попали в Чистилище.
"...Крещёный человек, совершивший грех и получивший прощение или совершивший не смертный грех, остающийся неотпущенным, как правило, подвергается «временному» наказанию здесь, после смерти. Человек <...> претерпевает временную стадию очищения и лишь затем наследует Небо."
У всех пятерых что-то за душой нечистое есть, у кого-то вплоть до убийства. В Чистилище они должны смыть с себя эти грехи, а там их поджидает Хозяин-Сатана и искушает - кого излечением, кого карьерой, в общем, каждому по потребностям. В обмен на свои хотелки они должны предать друзей, поступиться принципами, пойти против совести...
ukardesu
18 May 2021, 08:21 #
P.S. Глуховский - это современный Гоголь =) со своим Вием.
Selt3Z
20 May 2021, 03:49 #
Российская версия Лоста в семи сериях. Не считая роскошной операторской работы и пролётов с квадрокоптера, а также отсутствия цензуры обнаженки, посредственность, не ожидал такого, как фанат Глуховского.
Russllann
07 Aug 2021, 10:55 #
@Selt3Z:с великим Лостом и рядом не стоял. Там хотя бы всё понятно, в отличие от этого бреда
alisaman123
30 May 2021, 19:37 #
Майор Гром матерится 7 часов под саундтрек из "Довода"
deyli
01 Jun 2021, 21:57 #
Ничего не понятно, но ооооочень интересно
malina_kotik
02 Jun 2021, 11:42 #
@deyli:именно так я вчера описала подруге этот сериал😂
malina_kotik
02 Jun 2021, 11:42 #
Я так и не поняла смысл появления Бортич в 1 серии, надеялась, что она как-то повлияет в конце, но нет...
Король_Лень
26 Jun 2021, 20:51 #
Вроде с одной стороны и понятно, но одновременно с этим - ничего не понятно. Неожиданная концовка. Еще больше для меня неожиданно, что русский кинематограф смог выдать что-то эдакое. Приятно удивлен. Видимо, я еще долго буду обдумывать Топи. И, пересмотрю... но через какое-то время.
idtrafalskaya
28 Jun 2021, 03:45 #
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oknevermind
30 Jun 2021, 22:36 #
хочу поставить 5 звезд рассуждениям комментаторов
GoD9
02 Jul 2021, 10:35 #
Боже, ну и говнищем оказался сериал..... Попытки осовременить его всякой электронной музыкой, новомодными приложениями с нейросетью и всем подобным просто нелепы. Историю дочери и мамаши рассказали максимально кринжово — камон, просто мент рассказал? Может еще на черном фоне буквами напишите это историю? Бред полный. Спецэффекты отрубающейся головы отдельный кринж....... В общем, не научились мы еще снимать что-то страшное, которое тянет хотя бы на четверочку...
snchka
PRO
09 Jul 2021, 01:51 #
Самое смешное, что весь саундтрек это один альбом одной «исполнительницы». Ну мне так показалось, когда я каждую серию слышал, не к месту вклеенный, вокал школьницы, с закосом под IC3PEAK. Это смешно и ужасно одновременно.
aceztheabsorber
02 Jul 2021, 12:57 #
Ничего не понятно, но очень интересно. Дыр слишком много осталось.
А Элю больше всего жалко. У её истории ужасный конец.
the_stitch_kern
15 Jul 2021, 23:59 #
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bAt0Nx
21 Jul 2021, 20:25 #
Глуховский как бы говорит всем зрителям - я полит повестку отработал, а вы включайте спгс и сами разбирайтесь со всем этим пиздецом, который я тут наворотил. Хотя, постановка для российского произведения конечно вышка, тут нужно отдать должное.
Мугивара
14 Aug 2021, 14:47 #
Ну впринципе нормально
chllndjn1
PRO
25 Aug 2021, 23:41 #
а мне вот стало интересно, кто же тот дед, который весь сериал ходил с прикрытым глазом? кто он в сюжете? ведь всё его взаимодействие с героями – это хождение с (уже старой) катей за руку и финально поданный стакан воды менту.
или же он несет лишь смысловую составляющую? почему-то никто в комментариях этого деда особо не вспоминал, но вдруг у кого-то есть мысли про него, поделитесь!!
Domenika
04 Sep 2021, 00:37 #
Тебя кажется нужен я, хозяин. Психоделика конечно знатная, но я пришла сюда тупо из-за заинтересовавшего саундтрека, посмотреть к чему могли написать эти песни. Последняя серия понравилась больше всех, момент убегания по монастырю просто классный, под музыку и всякие мини постановки под неё! Кадры перед титрами вообще огонь, этот поезд, как бешеный носится по кругу, и вроде бы и все понятно, а вроде бы и нет. Не ожидала такого от русского сериала, не визг и восторг конечно, но нормально. Все слышали то, что хотели слышать) и сразу же текст финальной песни приобрёл совсем другой смысл...
SamSpiridonov
09 Sep 2021, 22:19 #
Кто этот одноглазый дед?!?
Ytzin
PRO
30 Mar 2022, 19:57 #
@SamSpiridonov: Денис
DorianDarko
07 Oct 2021, 10:24 #
Соня в поезде говорит, что она девственница. Но сестре признается, что переспала с ее парнем. Зачем она врёт? Или это баг такой?
Ytzin
PRO
30 Mar 2022, 19:57 #
@DorianDarko: в таких случаях вспоминается нестареющая классика от Сигурни Уивер: "Приходится работать с тем что есть!" Любой вариант, какой больше нравится: это был сон, не всякий секс ведет к потере, это было вранье Денису, это все предсмертные глюки Дениса и его измученный опухолью мозг забыл что там было в поезде.
Meloman_Nastena
21 Oct 2021, 22:30 #
Сериал в котором и правда, не так уж важно, кто прав, кто виноват в итоге. Каждый видит то, что хочет.
Мне нравится версия с водой, потому что мистика мистикой, но нет ничего более загадочного чем человеческая психика и то, какие они ловили трипы от воды - все разные и необъяснимые одной логикой, это для меня вполне правдоподобно.
Ну и аллюзия на наши топи - что в стране, что в душе и на «воду», которой мы заливаемся (тут и водка, и пропаганда, и наркота, и просто самообман, у каждого опять же своё).
Ouija
29 Oct 2021, 13:57 #
Для меня самое потрясающее в этом сериале это: 1) музыка, спасибо Аигел – это любовь, 2) операторская работа, 3) сценарий. Рада, что наши сняли такой крутой сериал со своими смыслами + тема загробной жизни всегда актуальна.
oasumii
07 Nov 2021, 00:48 #
Лично мне финал не понравился. Вопросов осталось больше, чем ответов. Надо, чтобы мухи отдельно, котлеты отдельно. Возможно, кому-то придется по душе открытый финал и возможность обмозговать увиденное, но тогда зачем пытаться угодить всем, добавляя логический финт в виде воды? А тут получается всё в кучу - и умерли они, попав в посмертие, и водичка замешана. Ну а в целом, всё же это уже уровень, смотреть было интересно, операторская работа заслуживает отдельной похвалы, атмосфера передана на ура, актеры, я считаю, справились со своей работой. Если не пытаться во всем разобраться, то смотреть одно наслаждение. Лично мое впечатление всё же сглаживает финал, на мой взгляд, можно было раскрутить куда интереснее.
-KaTrInA-
PRO
10 Nov 2021, 09:57 #
Если обобщить, то... Всё очень интересно, но ничего не понятно)) Шесть серий так точно ориентировалась только на здешние коментарии самых понятливых пользователей. Вообще я люблю кино-головоломки, но обычно в такого рода жанрах из серии в серию появляются ответы, а не наоборот. Даже к концу 7-ой вопросов осталось больше, чем ответов на них. Здесь же скорее всё поверхностно представлено и без лишних слов. Как игра в «Крокодила»... Кто-то говорил про хорошую операторскую работу, но кому нужны повороты камер на 360°, если ничего не понятно. А вообще оставил странные чувства, но сказать, что сериал совсем не понравился, тоже не могу. И мрачная атмосфера прослеживается 100%
valeriiaaaa
20 Dec 2021, 20:11 #
Снять красиво, но все в конце так и осталось непонятно... Думаю тут каждый сам уже должен догадываться и искать смысл
valeriiaaaa
20 Dec 2021, 20:11 #
@valeriiaaaa:снято*
luvrok
PRO
24 Dec 2021, 16:25 #
Набор идиотских сцен, просто абсолютно наитупейшие диалоги, мотивация нулевая у персонажей, раскрытие персонажей нулевое, у создателей было 7 серий, чтобы все объяснить, все раскрыть и показать. Но они пинали хуи и сделали как пойдет.
asked7
28 Dec 2021, 00:33 #
Редкостная муть, при классной игре актеров, получилось какое-то лоскутное одеяло.
Marica
11 Jan 2022, 18:28 #
После средненького Пищеблока я от Топей ничего не ждала особо, но блин, мне понравилось. Прямо хорошо, и даже лучше, что никаких однозначных ответов нет, мистика это, реальность с глюками от воды, или весь сериал это просто одна сложносоствная аллюзия на жизнь. При желании можно много разных вариантов и теорий придумать.
В кои то веки не только картинка хорошая, но в целом все сложилось, и актерская игра, и музыка, и подача сюжета. Пойду что ли ещё какой-то российский сериал гляну)
borus2002
19 Jan 2022, 22:46 #
оххх ну и намудрили конечно, как такое только придумали ахаха. Почитала разные трактовки сюжета, и лично я придерживаюсь того, что это просто мистика. Русская байка страшилка без особого обоснования, наверное оно здесь даже и не нужно. Как бы я сама не любила сложное кино, где так и хочется найти ответ. Бред бредом, да, но жути нагнали, мне хватило. Аигел просто любовь!! вопросов много, ответов нет, очень жаль :( А еще все думаю о моменте с полицейским который в чечене воевал и Элю в заложницах держал. Пытаюсь подогнать эту линию под разные трактовки сюжета, но она все никуда не идет. Меня напрягает то, что и вертолеты летали и по рации кто-то говорил. Откуда? кто это? почему это все слышала эля, разве это не должно было быть галюном этого сумасшедшего? И КТО ЭТОТ ОДНОГЛАЗЫЙ ДЕД???? очень дырявый сериал...
Ytzin
PRO
30 Mar 2022, 19:51 #
@borus2002: насчет вертолетов это как Вениамин который попугай, чтобы слышать вертолет надо было быть рядом и на одной волне с омоновцем, что собственно с Элей и случилось. Попить так сказать водички вместе. Собственно это-то как раз прямо проговаривалось. Одноглазый это кстати Денис, но это уже чистый сюр. Но на это постоянно намекали по ходу.
Pelimeshka
14 Feb 2022, 21:43 #
"- встань! - сядь! - да не сюда, за руль!" 🤣🤣🤣
Pelimeshka
14 Feb 2022, 21:46 #
Как по мне так сериал удался💁
Ytzin
PRO
30 Mar 2022, 19:41 #
Для такого финала в сериале было пожалуй маловато сюра. Если в итоге никакой разгадки не планировалось (и это прекрасно, разгадки, тем более однозначные - всегда самая скушная часть) то можно было и побольше поотрываться в середине.
Арка Кати по мне так сломана, эти кадры с рыбой интересные и вообще история требующая своего финала, а в итоге как будто и нет ее.
Рассказ истории Аришы (это не аудиокнига), да еще по сути и после конца, да еще и как мотивация поехать попить водички - ну такое себе решение тоже.
А так конечно очень круто, не смотря на периодический звуковой брак, не смотря на то что Глуховскому все еще остро нужен литературный редактор и машинка по убавлению пафоса - снято, выстроенно и сыграно (хотя Шпица на голову сильнее остальной молодежи) прямо хорошо. Получил искреннее удовольствие.
А, сцена лепки пельменей местами конечно через чур истеричная, но вообще - офигенная.
Но Территория лучше.
Ytzin
PRO
30 Mar 2022, 20:05 #
@Ytzin: А, еще, внезапно понял, Топи - это вывернутый наизнанку Царицын ключ Булычева. Причем это очевидно сознательно простроенная через все произведение аллюзия. Не то чтобы это было хорошо (не люблю такой тип деконструкции про то что вокруг один скот, а сказки ваши сплошное вранье), но как часть игры в бисер такое нельзя не приветствовать.
А и еще, в финале не хватало водителя грузовика, но с другой то стороны финала Кати просто не было, поэтому видимо этот "Харон" так и не появился.
derxot
20 Apr 2022, 03:08 #
Из сегодняшнего дня хочется назвать Глуховского гением. Ибо чувствую себя как этот мент: появляется желание бахнуть дурман-водицы и забыться. Плюс очень точные в итоге наблюдения про хозяина-людоеда и езду на паравозике по кругу. Ну и финал пророческий: если все население резко заманить в такую глухомань, то хозяин долго на плаву не продержится.
DomovoY26
08 May 2022, 07:03 #
Как я не люблю такие концовки, давление на голову) Психоделика полная.
llnachtigall
18 May 2022, 10:53 #
Ну вот мы и имеем то, о чем писали уже давно: два слоя концовки и смысла. Лично я в итоге убедилась в теории, что все это - жесткая сатира на Россию в целом и ее власть в частности. Что есть Хозяин, даже после смерти которого, все равно остается его преемник (после того, как тачка на дно пошла, мент даже говорит Максиму "Да другого назначат"). Есть продажная полиция, которая прикрывает свои мотивы внутренними благими намерениями (сын, болеющий раком, который на самом деле давно уже умер). Есть журналистика, которая из свободной становится продажной. Есть священники, падкие на деньги. Зеки, которые даже после отсидки все равно остаются в своем замкнутом круге. Малые народы, которые в итоге подчиняются (Эля - Чечня). Ну и народ, который "будет исповедовать", как Софья. А в итоге путь всегда в Топи - условную Россию. И мент, который долго не пил воду, не видел галлюцинаций, но в конце все-таки пьет, чтобы забыться, потому что "иначе здесь просто невозможно жить".
n_magritte
30 Jun 2022, 21:51 #
- 7 часов жизни. Половина персонажей неважна для сюжета, никак не раскрываются и ни на что не влияют. Другие же характеры просто без всякой глубины. История Арины просто вброшена в конце, тяп-ляп кое как закрыть историю. Диалоги максимально нелогичные и неестественные. Никто никого не слушает, никто ничего не обсуждает.
Olma3
05 Jul 2022, 16:23 #
Мне понравилось всё... запутанная история, атмосферность, саундтреки, сюжет, антуражность (не оскудеет родная, белорусская глубинка), концовка, операторская, да и актерская работа. Отдельный респект Глуховскому, с его понятным посылом, моралью, актуальностью и чёрным юмором
Polins99
13 Jul 2023, 20:34 #
От сериала неоднозначное впечатление осталось. С одной стороны кажется, что он перегружен скрытым смыслом и вопросами, которые остаются после просмотра, а с другой стороны, если почитать объяснение концовки, то поражает своей гениальностью. Но ведь по сути, объяснение концовки -это то, как видит смысл сериала конкретный человек... Короче не люблю я, когда остается масса вопросов даже после последней серии-_-
Stilzchen
17 Jul 2022, 17:57 #
Конечно весь сериал запутанный до самого конца был. Но развернули все красиво. Правда, какая-то безысходность получалась...
id217339582
18 Jul 2022, 23:49 #
Как-то не очень просто просмотра, сериал не плохой, над многим даёт задуматься
renchif
28 Jul 2022, 14:31 #
а кто-нибудь понял, почему жизнь в деревне остановилась именно в 1999? не помню, чтобы это как-то объяснялось. такое ощущение, что на этом заводе что-то случилось, но это уже мои догадки))
DeepHouse
26 Aug 2022, 22:06 #
Пощекатал нервишки сериал...
id227797
16 Sep 2022, 15:59 #
Ого Арина переоделась. А я думала у неё только топик и шорты
id227797
16 Sep 2022, 16:01 #
Дениса всегда так вставляет, когда он злится
id227797
17 Sep 2022, 01:00 #
Ну так все понятно. А вот история дедушки одноглазого где. Зачем его показывают весь сериал?
VP_P
07 Aug 23:24 # Show original
I always thought it was Denis. Also in a fur coat)
vitos_bulaev
02 Oct 2022, 09:41 #
Сериал не плохой но есть косячный момент с Ариной и Кольцовым, почему он до конца видел в образе ее дочери а не как она выглядит на самом деле???🤔
lik_lake
04 Oct 2022, 23:39 #
Непонятный психодел, ломает мозг🤣
RiKo93
06 Oct 2022, 09:29 #
Когда люди смотрят "Остаться в живых": "Создатели идиоты, не смогли ответить на все вопросы в сериале и тупо облажались с концовкой".
Когда смотрят "Топи" и Глуховский сам признается, что не понимает о чем сериал и тупо снял чтобы было: "Блин, как круто - тут столько смысла. Давайте сами додумаем все за автора".
Да, сериал правда снят круто, но в нем на самом деле нет никакого смысла. Как говорится: "Шторы просто синие".
viziterka
23 Feb 2023, 12:37 #
Вы хоть интервью самого автора сериала почитайте, чтоб херню не пороть
ЕвгенияКорбут
08 Oct 2022, 14:01 #
Сериал достойный! Ничего не понятно, но очень интересно! Держит с первой до последней серии!
KT_YURINA
13 Oct 2022, 18:12 #
Самый настоящий Лост. От Тьмы тут только плащ жёлтый, но он и не только там используется.
SentAisl
05 Nov 2022, 14:17 #
Пересматривала недавно опять - вопросов стало ещё больше
vitos_bulaev
05 Nov 2022, 20:41 #
@SentAisl: каких?
Averuna
22 Dec 2022, 17:50 #
Для меня этот сериал был пустой тратой времени
vk204527
30 Dec 2022, 01:05 #
А почему ждали именно четырех?
id201474259
25 Apr 2023, 15:43 #
В напряжении держит все 7 серий, а так сериал на 6/10
МариД
07 Jul 2023, 23:22 #
Зашла сюда, чисто за спойлером, смотрю сейчас третью серию. Я с самого начала поняла, что все они умерли, а Катя пропала, значит, откачали . Хотелось убедиться в своей правоте
Sun_shine1609
20 Jul 2023, 06:03 #
Сериал интересный и однозначно достоин потраченного времени 💗🥺
dasha056
24 Aug 2023, 22:15 #
Вау
alessya264
PRO
14 Oct 2023, 16:01 #
Сериал на одном дыхании. Я не могла оторваться, очень хорошо получился. Но у меня осталось миллион вопросов, и я не люблю додумывать сюжет, я люблю когда в финале на всё есть ответы и все сюжетные линии закрыты. В принципе выше все всё уже написали, не буду повторяться, но у меня вопрос почему год 1999 несколько раз мелькает в сериале, что он значит? Может где и говорили а я прослушала.
ukardesu
15 Oct 2023, 14:43 #
Не заметила отсылок к году, но...
"Роковой год, можете мне не верить - Тысяча девятьсот девяносто девять: Дьявол повернет золотыми рогами Три девятки кверху ногами..."
nesswwl
10 Nov 2023, 16:17 #
картинка сериала 10/10, превосходно, глаза отдыхали во время просмотра) актёры так же 10/10( Янковский классно сыграл, а Тихон мой любимый прям, как всегда на высоте) сам сюжет 6/10, задумка хорошая финал 3/10, так как раскрыли, как обычно, не всё, многое оставили за кадром или как сейчас модно «на раздумие зрителям». гелик и тихон>>>>все остальное хыхыхых. ветка с ариной была любопытной. единственное, что мне лично непонятно, так это почему Максим видел Катю в её настоящем виде, как она и есть, а Арину он видел в облике молодой девушки. ну и в целом сериал оставил чувство безсыходности, необратности бытия…прямо достоевский 21 века. глянуть можно, но если готовы к жести в виде отрубления голов, пхахахах) моя оценка 4,5/10
Enjoy230
02 Dec 2023, 17:11 #
Психоделика полная
Ленивец
19 Dec 2023, 15:56 #
Для меня самый жуткий по итогу момент оказался, когда Соня с Максом бежали по монастырю мимо комнат. Вот по настоящему ёкнуло в этот момент. Люблю такую психоделику. Эти зеки в костюмах счастливые, у гробов. Денис лежит при отпевании. Воистину шикарный момент. И в целом, сериал стоило посмотреть ради таких моментов. Сначала я словила это странное чувство, когда сразу после аварии Денис голый по реке ходил и ветки ел. Потом когда кладбище нашёл. Когда с дедом то живым то мёртвым разговаривал, когда с Ариной был. И когда Макс с Ариной целовался тоже. И жд закольцованная тоже доставила. Вот только ради таких загадок и сцен однозначно стоит смотреть любителям жути. А что касаемо финала, не хочу придираться. Мне нравятся все версии, и с посмертием и с водой, и даже если всё вместе. И каждый сам для себя решает, кто выжил, кто нет, кто остался, кто ушёл. Вариант с кругами, кольцами и бесконечностью тоже хорош. В общем, каждый найдёт, увидит и поймёт по-своему. Картинка у сериала потрясающая. Музыка идеально подходящая. Янковского персонаж тоже хороший получился. И в целом актёрский состав не бесячий и очень подходящий. Официально признаюсь, что это первый российский сериал (обычно не смотрю), которым я даже довольна осталась. Побольше бы таких наших произведений видеть, было бы здорово, с удовольствием бы посмотрела даже что-то очень похожее.
Lia15
PRO
12 Jan 02:40 #
Понравился момент, где они все за столом сидели. Интересная история у Арины, жаль парня(актриса уже 2 сериал каких-то типа ведьм играет😄). Вот и мент сломался и воду выпил. Конец с поездом тоже вау. Ну честно с трудом досмотрела, немного бредовый , но что-то в нем есть.
Fogget
12 Jan 15:41 #
Глуховский, конечно, гений. Как же много смысловых слоев здесь, голова взрывается, когда начинаешь думать что происходит! А если еще и мнения других людей читать, то вообще в шок приходишь от того, как одной историей можно создать столько вопросов. И ведь каждый ответ на эти вопросы имеет место быть!
makemyheartburn
PRO
15 Jan 11:48 #
Фиг знает! Но я досмотрела до конца и даже с некоторым интересом, даже несмотря на плохие отзывы друзей. Пересматривать не стану, но какое-то удовольствие испытала.
MaratMaslov
19 Jan 02:31 #
кстати, а ведь мент впервые попил воду не из собственной бутылки только в конце сериала и сразу после этого увидел сына. а до этого типа не мог отпустить его смерть, попить воды значит смириться уже со всем и отпустить 🤔
odimao
25 Jan 02:01 #
Принцип сериала, них*я не понятно, но "очень интересно"
id62468646
28 Feb 17:53 #
Ну что могу сказать. Я рада, что посмотрела это из 2024го 😄
Mankun1anec
03 Mar 23:28 #
Сложная психоделика, чем-то сериал напомнил «Территорию». Впервые посмотрел работу Глуховского, браво 👏 так все запутано. Момент с подменой тел матери и дочери просто убил, жаль девчонку
lapeur
06 Mar 19:13 # Show original
Bortich took out the series by her absence. Beautiful, creepy, weird. I liked it, I watched it with pleasure
Tony_Mahonney
28 Mar 01:44 # Show original
It was interesting what the ending was ... there are a lot of questions left, but why do I like to come here - so many theories, details and mythology were thrown around that you start analyzing what you've seen in a new way) I have put the story in my head for myself, the work of the cameramen and the acting are on top👏🏻
redsokk
05 Apr 20:09 # Show original
This is surrealism, with the help of this series they just showed how corruption really affects small towns. The rivers really pollute, they put their own officials, they protect everyone there, kill like in the 90s, collect taxes from the townspeople, and commit lawlessness.
Котень
16 May 01:31 # Show original
the creators should explain and apologize.
lenacherrypanova
22 May 23:28 # Show original
When it's for money, it's not for love, it's prostitution. For love-this is when you are drunk.
This series squared her off.
from the train running in a circle around the Marshes, goosebumps.
It turned out to be a complex, rather ambiguous and yes, very psychedelic series, but it was memorable and hooked. It was shot cool and stylish. And there is something to think about.
I think there will be a lot of theories about "what they really wanted to say in the Swamps" :))
the way he looks, reacts and behaves quite hints that he is not a supporter of his father's methods.
There is a tree (oak) that catches the Internet, there is a mermaid, a goblin(the owner of the forest), a witch.
There are too many questions left here
He was shown as a careerist who drowned not for the truth, but for fame and girls.
He even went to this temple to ingratiate himself with Denis in a friendly way and hand over material about him.
I liked his interpretation of events: no "Battle of psychics", a solid "Duty unit". That's five! Who would have thought that a journalist (humanitarian), and not a programmer (technician), would turn out to be a convinced materialist.😉
It 's such a shame to understand that in fact the story is simple and , moreover , it is possible to see it in some places (survive 2 ) , and all the small details were just traps for building theories . The most banal and boring theory about water did not even deserve discussion . But the genius of the writer 's thought , the father of the Russian post - apocalypse , decided that hell , purgatory , and afterlife are not as interesting as fucking water and allusions to political construction in our country . Although it's worth noting that the moment with Arina is really strong. But hence the sin immediately (if the journalist saw Katya's true face , then why didn't he see her mother instead of Arina?)
The whole openness of the ending is in a looped train , which in fact is the same trap as teleportation , an accident and other moments . The only thing that pleased me was that many of the theories that people put forward under the past series were confirmed .
Or maybe I 'm wrong and the heroes are really dead , there is no water , this is hell , and Glukhovsky has outplayed everyone
The excellent storyline kept me in suspense and ambiguity until the last moment. Especially thanks to the cool acting of Maxim Sukhanov.
So do not draw unambiguous conclusions, because everything here is dual: afterlife, purgatory, hell, and water.
This is a kind of branch of the afterlife - the village of Topi, which seems to be there, but it does not seem to be there.
So everything is true in the finale: both the afterlife and the chemical water. Such is death!
Everything is clear and incomprehensible at the same time, this is an allusion to Russian reality, and Russian nonsense, and the illusory nature of religion, and everyday realism, and surrealism - everything is intertwined and draws people there.
And I think Denis was able to escape from this limbo, as well as Elya. So those who died in the end - those who woke up after the accident and do not remember the events of the series, and those who survived in the series - remained in the Swamps, and died in the accident. Such things.
And judging by the landing in the car, they have the best chance, if I remember correctly.
it seems to me that Denis did die at the age at which he arrived in the Swamp - in the scene when Sonya and Max run through the monastery, they run through the room in which Denis is being buried
I probably liked the series more than not, but I expected more from the ending
So this is his mother because.
The cop works at this site, and lives in this village. Yes, he goes out and hallucinates only when he wants to. Because tarit leaves another water. They said that. That's why he doesn't have more hallucinations.
Denis is under toxic water. He was told that there is no pain because of the intoxication with water, he does not feel it anyway. But the brain couldn't accept it until the owner said so.
Why leave if everything suits you? Max decided not to leave even by car.
Katya was pumped out after the accident, she died in old age and got there again. Denis was also pumped out, he also died of old age. Sonya decided to stay in purgatory with her sister. If you look closely, there are Katya and Denis, who have grown old. The convicts died completely (you can see them putting on tuxedos, and coffins next to them). And so on.
— What is a Swamp, how did you come up with this place?
— The swamps are an inverted reflection of the metropolis, primarily Moscow. Moscow and the urban space for a conditional Muscovite or St. Petersburg resident, young, firmly on his feet, confident, is an understandable space, he clearly knows the rules of functioning of this place. This is a space of materialistic culture, a logarithmic space, accessible to understanding. But there is also Chthonic Russia, provincial, located outside the cities of millions, it is not subject to any clear logarithm, it cannot be put into formulas understandable to an urban dweller.
A lot of things that have absolute value in the city are not perceived as something real in the outback. Especially if we take Moscow — it is a kind of kingdom of life, the kingdom of Eros, where the very thought, the memory that people are mortal and finite, is rejected. Moscow is a holiday that is always with you, although it will continue even if you are gone. But the space beyond the MKAD is the realm of Thanatos, a space where death is often much more real and convincing than life. Where people cling to life much less, because it is not so interesting and bright, but death is the real thing that happens to everyone irreversibly. Therefore, people live in anticipation of it. Like the Mexicans, in whose culture death plays almost a more important role than life.
Swamps are the place where the rules stop being followed, and some stories related to the fabulous, the irrational, and the subconscious begin to work.
So do not take the models that I describe as a prognosis and a verdict — it is rather a diagnosis that should make the reader or viewer want to self-medicate."
(c) Glukhovsky
https://youtu.be/hYBoKJkZha8
Everything is cool in the series except for the word "FAK".. Does someone really swear like that outside of the show biz? I have never heard from my friends, native Muscovites, please note. Well, you have no restrictions on the mat, and you actively and appropriately apply it throughout the series, but for some reason there is this ridiculous "fact"..
and since Masyanin's time (hello, oldies!) I also often say: "fakin fakin" - when it's completely rubbish. :D
Everyone who runs away from some problem of his own (and this is not only all five main characters, but, as the last minutes of the last series showed, everyone left in the Swamps in general) gets into a circle where his problem, as it seems to him, either does not exist, or, as in some cases, for example, Katya's, on the contrary, is so large that it takes up their entire life. And everyone decides to stay. He doesn't even try to get out of the vicious circle. As the owner said, who probably is also not the owner of this place, but one of the stuck people: "I'm not holding anyone, they don't want to leave themselves."
When Sonya went to open the closet to the creepy sounds, it was very scary.
A creep gathering at the table, as if it happened, they kind of arrived, the table was like after a get-together.
Denis unexpectedly ridiculously gave a spoon to Maxim's forehead!)
And then what horror began with escapes around the monastery, a very frightening and fascinating picture of a nightmare!
The cars have a mega tense scene, it was scarier for Sonya, this moment with her hair, as if he already imagined what kind of worms would come out of her head.
I knew that Denis would come to his senses, it was not for nothing that at the beginning of the series they showed the situation as with a social network, that he was fighting the system, and this moment with a screwdriver, and hands in his eyes, already his heart was pounding harder!
I knew that Arina was a mother, and a daughter in an inflatable pool!
And many people were right about the water!
And Sonya will never leave!
Emotions are overwhelming, I really liked the series, I waited painfully for the last two episodes, the actors all played their roles amazingly!
All the nerves are tickled, I'm impressed!
Max ran away from the editor-in-chief, who forced him to write jaundice.
Elya fled from Daoud, who forced her to live according to the laws of the tradition of her people.
Sonya was running away from her father, who was telling her how to live.
It turns out that all the heroes fled from the "master" to freedom in their lives, but in the end they still found a new master who would solve all their problems.
The series is excellent, and you can review it a second time. Cruel, yes, but at the same time with an appropriate satire on the current nature of most people. Everyone has their own key.
If all this is a hallucination, then Max has not seen Sonia's sister in his life and could not see her in church (like Denis)
The grandfather who died appeared.
Arina, who is either old or young.
An accident at the beginning that kind of happened, but it seems not.
The owner changes his appearance.
The circle that protected the prisoners.
Well, what they see and what they don't see under these hallucinations is up to the author to decide. He decided that the way hallucinations work is his world. He explained the mechanics. He's not defending his doctorate to explain. But if you look on the Internet, there have been cases when people have seen similar hallucinations. How it works, read and study if you are interested.
And this is not based on real events.
Grandfather is a hallucination.
The owner changed his appearance once when he suggested that he was Daoud
why does Max see Katya young, but does not see Arina? He didn't drink water.
water plays a role, but it's not without magic that everything is there)
Denis saw it because she wanted to punish him and showed herself to be real.
Accept that the whole reason is in the water, there is no magic))
If there was magic Glukhovsky showed. He decided without magic.
And why did you not have the main non-docking and reference to magic is the appearance of Glukhovsky at the table?)
Glukhovsky, by the way, said that the Marshes are a fabulous place.
You are drowning for water pollution in vain.
nowhere does it say that he saw the same face as Sonya, and there was no dialogue "what does she look like" here
I understand she got in touch with this grandfather who has one eye glued shut. There are many videos where they are together, she leads him by the hand.
this is the moment when the audience really thinks deeper and bigger than Glukhovsky, coming up with incredible and well-founded theories supported by facts, and Glukhovsky hands them this with the words SUCK.
the causes of undisclosed conflicts? the reasons for actions for the sake of actions and signs for the sake of signs in the series? the reasons for such a mess?
I honestly admired everything at first, but in the end there was only love for the cameraman, the actors and the soundtrack.
and I honestly don't understand the people who will continue to suck out the plot and the ending after the finale, the meanings of which, as we understood, are probably not there already :)
For example, if everyone has their own glitches, then why can strangers "see" other people's glitches? We were shown how Sonya hugs her sister, who is not really there. Okay, I see. And how could Denis or later Max see the same sister?
Of the same stupidities, the moment with the fact that Max was able to see Katya in her true form at the table, but he couldn't see Arina (not once). What is the logic?
Or how did the owner find out the fears of specific people in order to manipulate them? He is not a telepath (if we discard the theory that he is the devil). That is, okay, water acts as a hallucinogen, but where does he have information about everything to use this information? Well, such inconsistencies can be typed on a very large and long list.
In general, they pumped it up, and in the end it turned out to be a psychedelic zilch. Except that the actors were very pleased with the game, everything is very real. And according to the plot, a million questions both were and remained.
At the end, there are many unknown characters sitting at the table.
The host's receiver has been somewhere all this time.
Glukhovsky said that the Swamps are a prototype of irrational Chthonic Russia and how not to understand it with the mind)
Considering that the series is an allusion to reality in the outback, it is a reference to gopnik and prisons, who think that they live by their own concepts and rules. In fact, they live like this as long as they are needed and convenient, and if necessary, all their rules will be rewritten and destroyed.
About Arina's vision. Max was obsessed with her, her beauty, it was his interest, his lust - so he saw what he wanted. What does the flash of Katya have to do with it at all..
For me personally, the ending would have been boring if everything had ended in otherworldliness and the theory that the guys had died would have been justified. And so, no, but a twist, and more or less real.
group hallucinations also exist in real life, as well as the ability to convince schizophrenics of their delusions. It's not that there's a discrepancy.
>>How did the host find out the fears of specific people in order to manipulate them?
he didn't even recognize it, it was enough for him to act as a catalyst for fear, and then people themselves were buggy.
>Max was able to see Katya in her true form at the table, but he couldn't see Arina (not once)
but this is really a blunder (or she is actually a witch and this is the mystical part)
And secondly, I didn't even understand Mom's conversation with Denis.That's right, someone asked a question here:why did his mother send him to this monastery so fiercely, did she know something?
I did not understand the moments when Max and Sonya run away:why is Denis being washed?And the moment with the convicts, too.Is that true?What would it take to catch up with the atmosphere or does it mean something?
Well, the moment with Katya.One was "cured" on water, the other begged her sister, even the son's mind was hallucinated.Everyone gets what they want.Did Katya really want to grow old most of all?Nonsense!And anyway, how did she disappear?
And Ale?Is death ultimately her weakness or her strength?Why is it only with her?And the same Max was released, for example
And in the end it seems that he wasn't talking to his mother (remember he asked about the number when they called him back - and she said it didn't matter where the number came from) and with himself (conscience) - "we must fight for the truth, do not bend" and so on, so he changed his shoes at the very end, killed the owner and drowned, interrupting the slave existence when serving someone
I am interested in a couple of points: why did the priest laugh at Sonya when she hugged her sister? There was a feeling that he had seen the whole truth, that his sister was not really there, and Sonya was standing there alone and talking to herself.
Why did Father Vitaly get a headache when his son started strangling the priest? When Vitaly was talking to his mother, he himself pointed to the same place near his head and said that his father was sitting here.
Why did Sonya start singing some creepy song when Denis was killing the Owner?
And who actually talked to gg over the phone? If it had been the Owner, he would not have said such things to him on behalf of Denis's mother. And Radio Liberty would simply not let Max on the air. And for some reason, the policeman was very angry with Arina for showing this place.
So many questions and so few answers. Despite all this, I will review the series over and over again - not only because of the metaphorical plot with biblical references, but also because of the amazing camerawork and acting.
But I would like to think that there was someone else besides the Owner who tried to help the heroes atone for their sins and get rid of their vices. As far as I remember, you can only die in the Swamps with the help of the Owner (although the temporary death of the priest calls this into question), and Denis never came out.
There will still be a lot of debate about it, and not a few copies will be broken about the plot. I would still like, of course, some kind of chthonic, mythical explanation for all this psychedelic, but it turns out that the world is real, and water plays the role of a glitch catalyst. But this does not explain much, holes and inconsistencies appear in the plot. So the Swamp is still a mystical place)
And the main idea of the series is in the song Aigel:
Everyone needs a master,
A dog, a man, a cow.
The film is strong. The owner, after all, turned out to be an omnipotent entity (only his transformation from an ordinary person into a demon is unclear). Glitches were glitches, but he could resurrect a priest, know all the past of those he killed, teleport to the temple. Thank you for explaining that all this is due to his boredom - he can do anything, and everything is available to him, and only a safari for people pleases. After his death, he joined his parents - I did not understand this moment, as well as his conversation with his mother (why she did not recognize him).
There are details that have not been explained: an arrow over the forests, people in white shirts in the forest, a mermaid, eating ants, a seller on a train (in the credits there is, but not in the film), a burnt two-headed eagle. But in general, it's great, I haven't seen a series for a long time that would be so addictive.
And everything that was caught up for horror, such as mermaids, etc., can be explained by trips.
Well, then what does your "mechanics of water" have to do with it? This is the first layer. there is another one, which, in fact, reveals this mechanics of water. That a person is weak and afraid, and it is typical for him to seek God to protect, heal, resurrect, but he does not find God, but such a maniac with an axe"
If it turns out the main character was looking for glory, and not god?
He was offered the position of editor, so he did not dream of this position again. I wanted to investigate and investigated, bent my line all the series.
It seemed to me either at the end a boy with glasses (as if this is the little master, after the murder of Denis and Sonya, it turns out to be small and returns to his mother or grandmother, xs) and they watch Glukhovsky's "sulfur" (maybe some kind of reference about emissions)....
Elya wanted to be perceived not as a woman who could be exchanged for sheep, but as a human being. That's what she got in the custody of a distraught policeman who doesn't care if you're a man, a woman or a child, an order is an order.
Насчёт воды, хозяин сделал на ней акцент, чтобы подтвердить теорию журналиста, который так хотел прославится этим сенсационным репортажем. Из-за выбросов с завода вода приобретает какие-то усиливающие желания свойства. Остались вопросы конечно...
Весь сериал смотрится очень хорошо, но финал перечеркивает всю красоту и прелесть. Давайте просто напихаем туда все возможные варианты, а зрители сами придумают подходящее именно им объяснение. Это халтура.
Дениса жаль больше всех. У него изначально шансов не было из-за болезни. Так и уйти спокойно не дали. Соню зачем-то оттолкнул от себя своими выходками в последних сериях. Из позитивного только разговор с мамой.
Хотела написать что-то объемное, но пока не могу, надо остыть от серии(
И что ж ты козел-то такой, Козлов? 😭 Даже почти человеком казался, когда у "ведьмы" за Макса просил, а в итоге вон как. Но фотография сына рядом с деньгами - это, конечно, красиво. А всё равно лучший мальчик, и пошло оно к черту, его мелкое зло
(Все нижеперечисленное мое мнение)
1. Разговоры по телефону это как некое испытание душ. Журналист в итоге поддался дьяволу и остался в Топях. Денис поддался, но услышал голос матери (либо это было проявление совести его или реально из мира живых услышал мать, мб он ей снился) и убив Хозяина он очистился и пошёл дальше.
2. Слепой дед таинственная фигура, но это наверное Бог или некий ангел, т.к он исполнил желание милиционера увидеть сына.
3. Под прошлыми сериями прям угадали с постаревшей Катей и коррумпированным священником. Катя боялась старости - стала старой, священник воровал - был заперт вечно в Топях, пока не надоел Хозяину.
4. Смерть от руки хозяина это скорее всего путь в Ад. Т.к Эля убила своего мч, не держала слово и вообще темная личность. Зеки- каннибалы - тут все понятно. Афганец - много нагрешил на войне. Священник - за коррупцию поплатился.
5. Завод - олицетворение Ада.
6. Топи чистилище (это становится понятно из 2 и 6 серии)
7. Соня сошла с ума из-за сёстры, которую видела только она и некоторые люди рядом с ней (прям как бабка видит мужа, но без неё мужа нет) и застряла в Топях, т.к не смогла «отпустить» как предупреждал дед.
8. Бабки, деды, Арина и мать, мент и его напарник-афганец, наши герои - мертвецы.
9. Хозяин и сын - черти или сам Сатана
10. Глуховский в камео. 🥰
To be honest, it seemed like a hack to me.
But thanks for the AIGEL in the sound, it was right on the subject.
He began to pretend to be an ideological fighter for the truth after he was kicked out of there because of watching porn at work, but his image of a fighter quickly fell apart when the position of head, money and the opportunity to take revenge on his boss loomed.
As he was a corrupt journalist, he remained so, it was just a matter of his ideology in the amount of payment.
The slogan of the series "You can't run away from yourself" clearly fits his story
Without a Master, he probably won't be able to leave there, because only he could let go of the Swamp.
I'm not going to reconsider, look for signs, discuss theories - I won't.
there is such an application for genius that I, a mere mortal, cannot understand. in the beginning, I was hooked, but there were TV series that were much more confusing, but more interesting
Everyone will see their own within their own horizons. For me, the series is an offer to reflect on the modern Russian, his sins, fears, dreams, and his values.
Water is an allusion to vodka or any other substance that a person resorts to in order to escape from reality when it is especially difficult to exist in it. Perhaps this is about how sometimes people do not want to let go of their pain, but prefer to "forget" and imagine that everything is as before - a loved one is nearby, a lost child is alive, an incurable disease has disappeared and thus drown themselves. Drown their pain.
I really liked the unobtrusive mention of the relationship between the authorities and law enforcement agencies - I serve, but if I am in mortal danger, I will not save, they will appoint a new one anyway. A burnt two-headed eagle. The corruption of the church.
And about Moscow - the salary is higher in Moscow Time, but here (the regions) there is nowhere to spend it. And as Max makes a choice for himself, "fuck this Moscow," he realized that his career, fame, and money were not so important to him. I made a choice to live in my Swamp, where nothing happens, there are no prospects, everything is in a circle.
And so a large number of people live. Home-office-shop-house. Drown the sadness with water. And again in a circle. This is a series about ordinary life in Russia with the help of beautiful dark metaphors.
* gets up*
- Sit down!
* sits down*
- yes, not here, behind the wheel!
Made me laugh 🤣🤣
*BONK * You're talking shit
The series is beautiful and very interesting, but in some moments it is absolutely not thought out.
But damn, they never tried to leave there, actually! I was really waiting for it to show how they go-they go and find themselves in the same village. It is said about this in the series and in the annotation, but not shown.
I was also strained by the moment when a journalist tries so hard to escape, rushes along with a girl in a car, and suddenly stops. He doesn't care that they caught up with him, he's not afraid of either the owner or the cops who surrounded him. It is clear that he is so hungry for fame, but it is expected that they can banally prevent him from telling everything.
They also revealed the endings of everyone except Sonya, where did she swim out and run away to?
And the train at the end, why is it spinning there?)
And the owner is such a thoughtful person in everything, and in the matter of announcing his story to the whole country, he stupidly relied on the greed of a journalist.
Well, the main character is handsome. He realized that it was all a hoax, that he was going to die, and dragged the owner away with him, a fiery finale in this regard. Also, their psychedelic laughter, well, super)
And all these numerous tarot card divination over theories in this series is direct proof that we are in those very Swamps, alas.
Glukhovsky explained in an interview with Medusa what a Swamp is.
"Topi is an inverted reflection of the megalopolis, primarily Moscow. Moscow and the urban space for a conditional Muscovite or St. Petersburg resident, young, firmly on his feet, confident, is an understandable space, he clearly knows the rules of functioning of this place. This is a space of materialistic culture, a logarithmic space, accessible to understanding. But there is also Chthonic Russia, provincial, located outside the cities of millions, it is not subject to any clear logarithm, it cannot be put into formulas understandable to an urban dweller.
Swamps are the place where the rules stop being followed, and some stories related to the fabulous, the irrational, and the subconscious begin to work."
And by the way, in the program "Special opinion" on "Echo of Penza" on February 26, he answered briefly and clearly that "Topi" is Russia. In the quote you give, he says the same thing, only in a more detailed and artistic way.
For some reason, I thought that you wanted to say that those who wonder about the meanings of the series are stuck in a swamp, but you most likely on the contrary meant that the search for deep and often irrational meanings is part of the collective image of the hinterland as a Swamp.
And here it is really curious that this sucking into the quagmire of speculation becomes almost a mirror image of both Russian realities and their images in the series.
The "Swamps" settled very well between the screen and our reality, such a transitional space turned out)
And now to reality: the team that worked on the painting are thugs. Everyone who is tied to the picture and sound — you are the top. It's very cool and decent. It was very pleasant to watch.
What confuses me the most is that I don't understand the main thing, which of the two options has happened now:
1. Glukhovsky has now revealed to me his understanding of the world and my empathy requires me to somehow tell the person that I saw his opinion,
or
2. what did the series make with cool mixes and also the continuation can be sculpted if the audience comes in and there will be money?
As a result, I give the series a positive assessment, certainly gives grounds for reflection, nicely scares before going to bed and once again gives reason to smile sadly, recognizing myself in someone on the screen.
And then everyone chooses for himself: the owner, the train, in which you can endlessly turn in circles, and your own way, but in fact it is not so important - because no matter how much you wander, you always return to these swamps.
Bloggers will figure it out somehow.
The rest of your thoughts are really interesting.
I can't take away just how stylishly some scenes are made from which you squeeze in, especially when the owner was killed, I even at some point was like, well, they didn't kill anyone, they just tried, but in fact nothing is clear
And it's a shame that the characters who are like this, I'll do this, I'll deceive everyone and you won't stop me, they become puppets, because it's more comfortable that way
In the last episode, Yankovsky seemed to start playing another character, not at all like what happened in previous episodes, and why did he not swim out with Sonya because the disease did not go away anyway? Or what. Such heroism is not entirely clear.
It is also still not clear why the first scene was shot at the beginning of the series one at a time, and at the end in a completely different way.
Many unanswered topics and many expectations were discarded and immersed in the theme of hopelessness.But very stylish)
I also need as many explanations as possible for the series!
In general, the series, as an allusion to Russian reality, turned out to be very good. But ideally, I would like it to be a complete story in isolation from metaphor. So that an ordinary person can see just a good plot, and a thinking person can see the idea. Immediately, the idea was chewed head-on, and the story fell apart, completely surrendering to allegories.
However, a lot of things have remained unclear. For example, what does the same Arina symbolize with her mother? What's the point of an accident where everyone is dead? We definitely need to review all the episodes again.
In general, Glukhovsky is handsome. Just like that, out of nowhere, to take and dump a natural political Silent Hill is my hobby!
The series got into my mood, and we were on the same wavelength, so the lack of chewing for all reasons doesn't annoy me, I don't need it.
If you want an interpretation of events, then they died at the very beginning of the series, and further and further it is the world of the dead, the events in Moscow are also not in the real world, this is the beginning of the path of souls who still think they are alive. Then there is a master in the afterlife, maybe there are many of them, as well as options for Swamps and each has its own. Souls come to him and he accepts them in exchange, but souls cannot just accept that they die and he creates illusions for them. For Christians, it makes prayers magical, for skeptics, here's some water with lsd. Etc. A cop is an old soul who resisted for a very long time and eventually accepted the rules of this world. He showed the journalist that his desires were insignificant and gave him another goal. And so on
As for the characters, from the very beginning of the series I was very worried about Denis, and I'm glad that he was able to get out of the Swamps. It doesn't matter where, the main thing is that he did what he wanted. Of all the heroes, he was the only one who thought all the time about how to get out. And the owner, indeed, did not keep him. Sonya was holding him, "she's his hook," he just couldn't leave her here, but as soon as she was in the same car with him and helped with the owner, his hook broke.
Sonya is probably the hardest character. On the one hand, she feels evil very subtly. After Denis makes a deal with the owner, she begins to be wary of him. She can be seen staring intently at him, trying to figure out what's on his mind. On the other hand, Faith blinds her eyes and makes her weak-willed. Why, believing in God, she does not even allow the thought of temptation by the devil. Why doesn't he let his sister go? She's too kind. Even when Max talks about leaving, she still thinks about Al and Katya. And the strangest thing happens to her: on the one hand, she leaves the Swamp (moves away from direct contact with the villagers), but remains on the train. The finale of her story is open.
Everything was clear with Max from the beginning. The hero chose an illusion in which he is doing well, instead of real life. In fact, this is the choice of the majority. The same woman Nyura, thanks to the Marshes, returned her husband. She doesn't care where to live, the main thing is with her beloved next to her.
Thanks for the series to the cameraman, director, actors, sound, and everything. It's much better than a Whirlpool. Gradually, the film search is going in the right direction.
The finale is in the spirit of all episodes: think for yourself, decide for yourself.
>> A lot of naked Yankovsky
, i.e. a lot of naked ass of Yankovsky, but naked boobs from Arina, Eli and Katya were quite the norm for the series?
And a couple of his runs could have been removed, and your reverse sexism is not needed here, it's not about the field) but the quantity)
and reverse sexism has nothing to do with it) rather, your crystal ego rang.
Next time I will definitely ask you what to do, and I will hide my opinion to my precious ego, sorry)
Yes, the series does not chew and does not put the plot in its mouth, but that's what art is all about! anyone can stupidly tell a linear story, but only a few can make you reflect on the topic of history.
follow the available plots to the Territory. Psychology is in the Swamps.
I still have the feeling that there is a simultaneous narration of two time lines. They sometimes seem to break into each other.
Maxim Sukhanov famously played his character. Glukhovsky, as always, has more noir in his repertoire, more than in the subway. The camerawork stands out very much, as well as thanks for the soundtrack and to everyone involved in the work.
Such paintings make you thaw towards Russian cinema.
Why did they show that 2 accidents did die? are all those who once died in the Swamps now living in captivity of their fears/desires and calling it a miracle? Why is it enough for someone to be afraid (Ale, Katya), someone has to swear to the owner for their desires (guys), someone drinks water (cop), and someone just believes (Sonya)? What is the root cause? In death, the master, the water? What's the owner's story other than that he was a director before he started growing maggots and curing cancer? Why did other scenarios periodically flash in the frame? How does this scheme work with the resort in general? Is it disposable or should I wait for an anthology?)) in general, did the Owner bring them all to replenish the zoo, or did he still need the heads? At first, he wanted to execute everyone, and then suddenly -"this one will be the driver, this one will confess me."..Why is the concept important "everyone needs a master" - how does it fit in with the personal fears and desires that they have been captured by?
Russian Orthodox psychedelic.
Drown Stupidly Top.
According to mythology, Charon transports the souls of those who have found peace. And all those who are stuck in the Swamps are not rested souls. Moreover, all those who died on the safari of the Owner, one way or another, received reassurance before death.
The Styx River and its waters lead to the fact that a person forgets everything, but here, on the contrary, the water brings memories back to life.
Well, the only thing is that I still tend to the theory that these are still 7 circles of hell, and all the characters are the personification of 7 deadly sins
But of course, there are a lot of questions
The host of the campaign is Sonya, otherwise I can't explain the last frame
But I hope that they will stop there and will not shoot the second season, although there is a groundwork
We'll see
Where are two more lost?
Some characters had no development at all (didn't they have enough budget for a Pomeranian?)
There was such scope for creativity, for Easter eggs, but so few clear scenes
And about the meaning of the series - so it 's practically a political satire . Glukhovsky is in opposition to the government, Topi is Russia, which is going in a circle waiting for a new owner....and datura water is the media, TV, propaganda, what we are all permeated with...
The owner manages everything through fears - he breeds maggots in the heads of his victims, and then throws fishing rods. After all, as it was said, the owner loves to fish very much. You got hooked, you succumbed to fears - either death or you will stay in the swamp forever.
The water from the swamp is a metaphor for the lies that accompany the power of the owner. As soon as you stop "drinking" this lie, you immediately begin to see everything differently. If you watch the series carefully, the cop was the last one who did not drink local water, always drank something of his own (from a flask, beer from a bottle, etc.). But he eventually gave up, because deceiving himself and living in an illusion is easier.
And the main conclusion is that you cannot break out of the vicious circle, because the problem is not at all in the owner, but in the people who need him vitally.
I really liked everything that does not relate to the plot: the color scheme, musical accompaniment, cinematography, editing, atmosphere, acting, as for me, is also on the level. But the storyline, taking into account the denouement, is terrible.
Now you really get tired of the tendency that you need to dig something out in order to "see the deep meaning." And I don't want to, I want to watch a decent series, maybe with a smaller budget and bombast, more mundane and with deep characters. Which, after watching, leaves any other emotions except pity for the time spent.
There is too much useless junk that can be thrown away and the "plot" will not suffer. Although the actors do not play badly, but the characters themselves are empty and not interesting, you feel the same emotions for each of them for all the series - none.
Conspiracy theorists and couch philosophers are probably happy to find evidence of the impermanence of existence, but I didn't see anything new, original, clever or even remotely interesting. As a child, I watched "When cicadas Cry" - the same setting of a rural backwater with its secrets. That's just the first season is 15 years old today, and with all its flaws, it looks many times better than "Topi" 2021.
And yet, what kind of abilities the owner had and where they came from did not become clear how he "cured" Denis and returned the disease.
In general, it reminded me of the book "twilight" by Glukhovsky, where everything that happened turned out to be a near-death "imagination" / dream or how to say it all...
I watched to the end with the hope of a tolerable ending, but ....
I summarize: it will appeal only to those who love psychedelics... blurred boundaries between everything and everyone.
What is the series for the rest ? 🤮
The only thing I kept at the screen was a beautiful picture, the director's work was excellent!
The only thing I didn't understand was the one moment whose picture Max took at school and left with her. And then they didn't remember about her.
"I have answers to ALL questions about the plot of the Swamps.
but I'll tell you what the fuck."
ndeee
What did Katya want? Forget yourself. This is what she got, turning into a distraught old woman with flashes of consciousness.
Elya went on the run after the murder. What did she do in the Swamps? I was running. Then for someone, then from someone.
Max went to "dig", the Swamps throw him a story with a maniac. Dig, investigate, enjoy.
Sonya, being in the car with her father, tears off the cross, showing her doubts about faith. Everything that happens to Sonya in the Marshes shows her that "miracles" are not from God, but from the devil.
Denis needs to accept death. And everything that happens to him is related to this. Conversations with Grandfather Benjamin. A conversation with Sonya at the monastery, when he confesses that he realized his impending death. And as the final chord, the mother's call. Death will be too early for everyone, as the owner says, but the key point is the memory of you. How you'll be remembered is what's important. More importantly, using the example of the "begged" Lisa and Benjamin, it becomes clear that for our loved ones we do not die, but continue to live in their hearts.
Тоже думаю что Денис (очень уж их синхронно показывали), но просто так, без какого-нибудь рационального объяснения.
А вот Денис - это самое интересное, с него все начинается, мож вообще все вообще нереально и он в коме лежит, гуляет по своему подсознанию, а друзей новых придумал, но если и допустить, что они все реально или умерли в москве или попали в аварию по дороге в топи, у дениса в отличие от них, есть искупление. Каждый из них встретился со своим демоном, но только он победил. Не забываем, что демонами могут быть как тайные и самые сильные желания, так и страхи. Денис считал, что все на свете продается и покупается, за деньги можно получить хоть любовь, и даже жизнь можно выторговать, если предложить достойную цену, например, еще четыре менее значимые жизни. И в конце, когда он поговорил с "мамой", на деле с последним хорошим, что в нем осталось, он пожертвовал собой и справился со своим демоном. и получил искупление. Вот такие дела.
"у нас главное во что ты сам веришь" - и ты своей верой воплощаешь в жизнь и страхи, и сомнения и надежды.
короче, это достаточно банальный сериал и нет в нем ничего сверх, но в свете дискурса - свежо.и подходя - своя концовка для каждого мне тоже понравился
А Денис ушёл красиво в итоге, как бы там ни было)
Все получили то, от чего бежали. Денис договорился с "федералами" в лице Хозяина и умер, Максим стал продажным журналистом и остался с какой-то ведьмой, Катя состарилась одна, Элю подчинили и убили, Соня застряла и не может освободиться.
Сомневаюсь, что будет продолжение, хотя оставили там ниточек на случай 2 сезона и финал этот еще. Что за рыжая женщина в озере? Мама Дениса какая-то подозрительная в свете ее последней реплики. А уж к завязке подтянуть можно все что угодно от ситуации по типу падения фургона у Нолана, до карманной вселенной, scp-обьектов и около-хтони.
Причем за пассаж про русскую провинциальную хтонь Глуховскому в твиттере уже прилетело. Такое себе высказывание от москвича с работой на RT в анамнезе. Причём он фигуру Максима проводит мимо нынешней тенденции (что в кино, что ирл) "честный журналист-расследователь vs все плохое". Хотя харАктерно Максим интереснее всех ощущается, и актер окей. Про Дениса все всё уже сказали. Ваня Янковский красивый, лишь бы в Петрова 2.0 не превратился. Из девочек Эля самая интересная, но ее мало и она не раскрыта как персонаж, Катя вообще промелькнула, Соня бесила весь сериал со своей благостностью. Ликую, что в итоге она все равно там застряла, а то я в какой-то момент подумала, что Глуховский натягивает на сюжетный глобус сову социально-политической повестки и выводит Соню как метафору спасения Прекрасной России Будущего тм через религию — ну ее нафиг, такую ПРБ.)
В целом сериал лучше, чем у нас обычно бывает. Операторская группа зачет, визуально хорошо. Диалоги в начале сырые, да и актёры текст как с листа читают, мат местами ну до смешного неорганичный, но чем дальше — тем лучше, правда. Со звуком как обычно: то все ок, то ничерта не слышно, то актёры что-то себе под нос мямлят. Ну везде эта ерунда, что за проклятье со звуком повсеместное.
Может меня глючит? Или просто в лесу дешево снимать
Все объясняется местной водой с галюциногенами.
Все эти скрепоносные инфернальные орки, показанные в пердяевке - глубинный народ. Расисты, содомиты, сектанты, терпилы и поехавшие.
Барин им со скуки рубит бошки и рофлит над народом-победителем. А они терпят. Главное чтоб не солдаты нато.
И никому ниче не сделать, ведь завод стратегического значения и коптит воздух ради ракет, чтоб пиндосам дать посасать.
Жаль не показали как все эти инфернальные орки голосуют за поправки в конституцию на своих пнях.
Можно было бы строить какие-то теории о том, что на самом деле хипстеры померли в аварии и теперь в чистилище и тд и тп. Но, я думаю, все понимают что хотел сказать глуховский.
осуждаю+неодобряю
воскрешение сестры, которую видят другие? поп, который не умирает каждый день вешаясь? дед воскресший? Хозяин меняющий свою внешность? временные аномалии? русалка в воде? поезд, который ездит по кругу? Топи из которых нет выхода?
А вас эта фраза не смущает или вы её пропустили как и последнюю серию?
А всего-то надо: следить мало-мальски за политикой, да знать взгляды Глуховского.
Вывод: Топи и в комментариях по полной.
Снято качественно, Аигел топ. Автор, как обычно, не знает, что делать дальше, но, вероятно, этот процесс сеяния зерен в коллективном бессознательном какие-то плоды да дает.
Как минимум респект за точность фиксирования в момент перехода системы из одного состояния в другое.
В следующем комменте у вас почему-то концовки/смыслы взаимоисключающие (необходимость "выбирать", чтобы устроило), хотя они все ложатся одна на другую без противоречий. Просто одна про сюжет, вторая про метафизику сериала, а третья про то, что двигало автором.
Ну и странно еще, что вас удивляет, как Хозяин тоже из бутылки попивает.
Вот одна теория для рационалистов. Вот другая теория для мистиков. Вот третья для политических. Выше много народу приняли свою пилюлю-теорию и успокоились.
Вы же не можете. Так я предложу вам ответ: они все наслаиваются друг на друга, перекликаются и противоречат, как во сне. Сон - территория бессознательного. Авторы хотели зачерпнуть бессознательное нашего общества, чтобы в нем поразбираться творческим методом. Это живое экспериментальное варево, а не 5 лет продумываемая конструкция, как у Линча с третьим сезоном. Вот нитки и торчат.
Плюс, как и в жизни, все влияет на все. Производство, история и власть, все является двигателем, первоистком проблем, не может исчезнуть и толкает общество на броуновское движение. Как сложно общество, подобием такой же сложности авторы попытались наделить и сериал.
Вам устраивает такая теория?
И простите, какой у вас основной смысл сериала-то? Сюжетно там могут разные толкования, хоть я и считаю, что это задумка авторов, все в кучу впихнуть для разных категорий зрителей. Но смысл там только политико-социальный: откуда мы, куда идем и почему мы такие. Ну и зеркало поднести зрителю.
А вообще ниже правильно написали, что это красивый клип Аигел.
@kvagga: Попробуйте почитать 4 части разбора третьего сезона, вышедшие не так давно. Чтение крайне увлекательное, хоть и не претендующее на истину во всем.
https://dtf.ru/cinema/138560-perevod-chetyrehchasovogo-razbora-tvin-piks-pervaya-chast
При этом я очень люблю Внутреннюю исперию и не очень - третий сезон, хоть и признаю мощь концепта, судя по разбору.
Основной смысл везде указан авторами:
"Столкнувшись с неразрешимыми проблемами, пять молодых москвичей убегают в монастырь неподалеку от полузаброшенной деревни Топи. Они воспринимают поездку как приключение, долгожданную свободу от забот и возможность забыться. Однако путешествие оборачивается чередой загадочных событий, которые лишь приближают то, от чего они бежали, и заставляют сомневаться в реальности происходящего."
То что вы видите это второй смысловой слой с отсылками на нашу реальность.
Не обижайтесь, что на это вам ответят, что вы упорствуете в глупости.
В синопсисе сюжет, а не смысл. Мы же смысл произведения, заложенный авторами обсуждаем, а не его краткий пересказ или ваши смыслы, которые вы там нашли в меру своего развития.
Очевидно же, что автору хочется писать сказки, а не публицистику. То что он при этом довольно таки топорно и очень заметно кстати (если люди про это не пишут, не значит что они этого не видят, им просто не интересно, например) пихает в эти сказки свои политические взгляды, так это не достижение, это беда.
Психоделика с претензией. Все в стране пидарасы, алкаши и рабы и только Глуховский Д`Артаньян. Все видит, все понимает и пишет сказки на эту тему.
Максим замутил с Ариной, которая тетка поверившая, что забрала красоту дочери и передавшая свой глюк всем попившим. Дочь ее просто сошла с ума поверив матери, что та с ней телами обменялась.
Соня не может убежать из Топи, тк потеряла веру в людей, все мрази и предатели, а Москве их еще больше.
Мент уже по привычке работал на хозяина, хотя сперва цель была сына спасти. После он решил выйти из реальности и увидел мертвого сына.
Массовый психоз и страхи.. никакой паронормальщины, лишь социалка и немного глюков.
И в конце выводят к финалу "Да нет же, всё вокруг настоящее, просто всех поят водичкой". Под "водичку" можете подставить всё, что уводит человека от реальности - пропаганда/вера/убеждения/и т.д.
Можно ещё поразмышлять на тему того, что в Топях нет врачей, т.е. в России убито здравоохранение, нет учителей - привет образованию. А ещё нет детей, как таковых. Сейчас вспоминаем СССРовские "Дети - цветы жизни" и "Дети наше будущее", т.е. Топи без детей - Россия без будущего, страна, в которой время где-то остановилось. И размышлять можно долго, ибо произведение получилось довольно интересное и многослойное.
Какая нахрен фантастика? Тут мистика и та только для вида, метафор и аллегорий. Сидит рассуждает, возможна ли массовая звуковая галлюцинация... в сериале, где сценарист Глуховский... Ага. У вас религия такая, всё сводить к какому-то жанру? Или просто думать умеете только в каких-то рамках?
https://tjournal.ru/stories/356840-ostrov-letayushchih-zhenshchin-kak-zhiteli-italyanskogo-ostrova-godami-videli-gallyucinacii-protiv-svoey-voli
Но спустя пару серий, исчезают английские словечки и слух они уже не режут.
https://youtu.be/PYXSFUnh5Wg
и кака же душещипательная сцена полицейского с сыном💔
можно долго обсуждать сюжет, актёров (лично, мне кажется, все на своих местах), но какая же офигенная атмосфера в сериале. она такая мистическая (но что удивительно все снято при свете солнца, а не в туманных тёмных лесах. как говорил режиссёр "Солнцестояния", "мой фильм - это новый вид фильмов ужасов - все смерти происходят днем". вот тут похожая стилистика) и триповая, а какой идеально подходящий саунд 💚
насчёт актёров повторюсь. я люблю Янковского и включила сериал из-за него и крайне занимательного сюжета, но даже мне иногда было его чересчур много. вот выкрутить ему бы на 5-9% его экспрессивности поменьше и было бы прям хорошо. все первые 2 серии не могла понять, где я могла видеть Тишу. и только к 3-4 до меня дошло, что это новый Игорь Гром (и видела я его в трейлере. не зря вся семья баббл решила его подстричь. он становится неузнаваем🤭). вот он мне прям зашёл. такой вечный искатель правды (кстати идеально его героя описывает - все продаётся и все покупается). Тиша прям поработал и после Игоря (а я смотрю после Грома, кстати #поддержитемайорагрома) выглядит совсем другим героем. горжусь таким новым и классным русским актёром. Максим Суханов восхитителен и крал моё внимание в каждой сцене👍 остальные для меня прошли достаточно ровно. ах, ещё же получился драйвовый дуэт у Тиши и Вани. их взаимодействие дарило радость мне все эти серии.
в общем надеюсь продолжения не будет. получился неплохой сериал со своими недостатками (хотя Мефи считает его прям отвратительным, но у каждого свое мнение). минимум, который мы вынесли - это отличный оператор, тандем Тиши и Вани (Тиша там проговорился в подкасте, что, возможно, в скором времени ещё раз их встреча на экране), завораживающего Суханова и Аигела в главных саундреках, и за это искренне спасибо создателям ❤
Именно так Хозяин договорился с главным героем. Либо подчинив его своей воле, либо договорившись и стерев память.
Мне очень понравился это сюжетный ход. Но как это вяжется с посмертием? Да в принципе никак. По идее это самое логичное что может быть: натравить на зрителей концепт, чтобы тот ему верил. Зритель, надо сказать, очень обиделся на такой ход. А что, вы действительно просто поверили в то, что вам сказали с экранов и почувствовали себя самыми умными? Вы наверное просто спутали сериалы, и ждали чего-то более прямого.
Если докапываться до этой теории, то уж сверхъестественные силы Хозяина объяснить тупо бэд-трипами не удается никак. Про химическую воду начинает задвигать журналист, фактически это сново явное решение, которое нам протащили, чтобы мы могли это все схавать. Персонаж сериала явно пихает тебе то, как все тут устроенно, зритель снова во все это верит. Но правильное решение, верить человеку, который просто очень хочет найти сенсацию? Если вы считаете, что в конце все объяснилось одними лишь чудесами воды, то мне кажется, что это только часть из целого. И злится, что ваша теория разбилась от пары кадров - глупо, вы снова поймали крючок, который кинул Хозяин.
Наиболее понравившиеся мне слова в сериале это то, что сам Хозяин говорит, что никто тут не может без хозяина. Он никого тут не держит, но менять что-то никто не хочет. Вторая мысль в том, что по ходу сериала персонажи то и дело спрашивают у друг друга «А ты сам-то во что веришь?». Вот из этих двух фраз и можно трактовать линию сериала.
Топи это некое магическое место, откуда либо нет выхода, либо откуда никто и не хочет возвращаться. А все потому, что в Топях сбываются самые заветные желания. Вот только исполняются они не от бога, а скорее от дьявола. Исполнение либо не приносит счастья, либо тянут за собой множество неприятных последствий. Это то, что я увидел в сериале, а не то, о чем мнеи сказали его персонажи.
Если Хозяин верит, что он тут Хозяин, значит так оно и есть. Если ведьма верит, что она красивая, значит так оно и будет. И если мент решил поверить, что сын у него живой и здоровый, значит можно пожить и в этой утопии. Вода может помочь ему в этом психологически, а не изменить реальность или поддержать бэд-трип.
Сам Дмитрий Глуховский изобразил мир, в котором жил когда-то. Бабка, говорящая с давно умершим дедом, люди, верящие в то, что мертвые живут рядом без какого-то логического объяснения. Топи это набор аллюзий, метафор, политических рассуждений. Все, что непонятно — принято считать высокоинтелектуальным. А на самом деле это может быть просто интересное произведение, где нет четкого ответа. Вы можете трактовать его как вам угодно — это было снято для вас.
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Янковский в последней серии просто шикарен, а в этой шубе как сутенер 😂 Несколько раз посмотрела как он Жизневского по лбу ложкой бил 😂
"...Крещёный человек, совершивший грех и получивший прощение или совершивший не смертный грех, остающийся неотпущенным, как правило, подвергается «временному» наказанию здесь, после смерти. Человек <...> претерпевает временную стадию очищения и лишь затем наследует Небо."
У всех пятерых что-то за душой нечистое есть, у кого-то вплоть до убийства. В Чистилище они должны смыть с себя эти грехи, а там их поджидает Хозяин-Сатана и искушает - кого излечением, кого карьерой, в общем, каждому по потребностям. В обмен на свои хотелки они должны предать друзей, поступиться принципами, пойти против совести...
Еще больше для меня неожиданно, что русский кинематограф смог выдать что-то эдакое. Приятно удивлен.
Видимо, я еще долго буду обдумывать Топи. И, пересмотрю... но через какое-то время.
Попытки осовременить его всякой электронной музыкой, новомодными приложениями с нейросетью и всем подобным просто нелепы. Историю дочери и мамаши рассказали максимально кринжово — камон, просто мент рассказал? Может еще на черном фоне буквами напишите это историю? Бред полный. Спецэффекты отрубающейся головы отдельный кринж.......
В общем, не научились мы еще снимать что-то страшное, которое тянет хотя бы на четверочку...
А Элю больше всего жалко. У её истории ужасный конец.
или же он несет лишь смысловую составляющую? почему-то никто в комментариях этого деда особо не вспоминал, но вдруг у кого-то есть мысли про него, поделитесь!!
Любой вариант, какой больше нравится: это был сон, не всякий секс ведет к потере, это было вранье Денису, это все предсмертные глюки Дениса и его измученный опухолью мозг забыл что там было в поезде.
Мне нравится версия с водой, потому что мистика мистикой, но нет ничего более загадочного чем человеческая психика и то, какие они ловили трипы от воды - все разные и необъяснимые одной логикой, это для меня вполне правдоподобно.
Ну и аллюзия на наши топи - что в стране, что в душе и на «воду», которой мы заливаемся (тут и водка, и пропаганда, и наркота, и просто самообман, у каждого опять же своё).
В кои то веки не только картинка хорошая, но в целом все сложилось, и актерская игра, и музыка, и подача сюжета. Пойду что ли ещё какой-то российский сериал гляну)
А еще все думаю о моменте с полицейским который в чечене воевал и Элю в заложницах держал. Пытаюсь подогнать эту линию под разные трактовки сюжета, но она все никуда не идет. Меня напрягает то, что и вертолеты летали и по рации кто-то говорил. Откуда? кто это? почему это все слышала эля, разве это не должно было быть галюном этого сумасшедшего? И КТО ЭТОТ ОДНОГЛАЗЫЙ ДЕД???? очень дырявый сериал...
Одноглазый это кстати Денис, но это уже чистый сюр. Но на это постоянно намекали по ходу.
- сядь!
- да не сюда, за руль!"
🤣🤣🤣
Арка Кати по мне так сломана, эти кадры с рыбой интересные и вообще история требующая своего финала, а в итоге как будто и нет ее.
Рассказ истории Аришы (это не аудиокнига), да еще по сути и после конца, да еще и как мотивация поехать попить водички - ну такое себе решение тоже.
А так конечно очень круто, не смотря на периодический звуковой брак, не смотря на то что Глуховскому все еще остро нужен литературный редактор и машинка по убавлению пафоса - снято, выстроенно и сыграно (хотя Шпица на голову сильнее остальной молодежи) прямо хорошо.
Получил искреннее удовольствие.
А, сцена лепки пельменей местами конечно через чур истеричная, но вообще - офигенная.
Но Территория лучше.
А и еще, в финале не хватало водителя грузовика, но с другой то стороны финала Кати просто не было, поэтому видимо этот "Харон" так и не появился.
Ибо чувствую себя как этот мент: появляется желание бахнуть дурман-водицы и забыться.
Плюс очень точные в итоге наблюдения про хозяина-людоеда и езду на паравозике по кругу.
Ну и финал пророческий: если все население резко заманить в такую глухомань, то хозяин долго на плаву не продержится.
Лично я в итоге убедилась в теории, что все это - жесткая сатира на Россию в целом и ее власть в частности. Что есть Хозяин, даже после смерти которого, все равно остается его преемник (после того, как тачка на дно пошла, мент даже говорит Максиму "Да другого назначат"). Есть продажная полиция, которая прикрывает свои мотивы внутренними благими намерениями (сын, болеющий раком, который на самом деле давно уже умер). Есть журналистика, которая из свободной становится продажной. Есть священники, падкие на деньги. Зеки, которые даже после отсидки все равно остаются в своем замкнутом круге. Малые народы, которые в итоге подчиняются (Эля - Чечня). Ну и народ, который "будет исповедовать", как Софья.
А в итоге путь всегда в Топи - условную Россию. И мент, который долго не пил воду, не видел галлюцинаций, но в конце все-таки пьет, чтобы забыться, потому что "иначе здесь просто невозможно жить".
Половина персонажей неважна для сюжета, никак не раскрываются и ни на что не влияют. Другие же характеры просто без всякой глубины.
История Арины просто вброшена в конце, тяп-ляп кое как закрыть историю.
Диалоги максимально нелогичные и неестественные. Никто никого не слушает, никто ничего не обсуждает.
Но ведь по сути, объяснение концовки -это то, как видит смысл сериала конкретный человек...
Короче не люблю я, когда остается масса вопросов даже после последней серии-_-
Когда смотрят "Топи" и Глуховский сам признается, что не понимает о чем сериал и тупо снял чтобы было: "Блин, как круто - тут столько смысла. Давайте сами додумаем все за автора".
Да, сериал правда снят круто, но в нем на самом деле нет никакого смысла. Как говорится: "Шторы просто синие".
"Роковой год, можете мне не верить -
Тысяча девятьсот девяносто девять:
Дьявол повернет золотыми рогами
Три девятки кверху ногами..."
актёры так же 10/10( Янковский классно сыграл, а Тихон мой любимый прям, как всегда на высоте) сам сюжет 6/10, задумка хорошая
финал 3/10, так как раскрыли, как обычно, не всё, многое оставили за кадром или как сейчас модно «на раздумие зрителям». гелик и тихон>>>>все остальное хыхыхых. ветка с ариной была любопытной. единственное, что мне лично непонятно, так это почему Максим видел Катю в её настоящем виде, как она и есть, а Арину он видел в облике молодой девушки. ну и в целом сериал оставил чувство безсыходности, необратности бытия…прямо достоевский 21 века. глянуть можно, но если готовы к жести в виде отрубления голов, пхахахах) моя оценка 4,5/10
И в целом, сериал стоило посмотреть ради таких моментов. Сначала я словила это странное чувство, когда сразу после аварии Денис голый по реке ходил и ветки ел. Потом когда кладбище нашёл. Когда с дедом то живым то мёртвым разговаривал, когда с Ариной был. И когда Макс с Ариной целовался тоже. И жд закольцованная тоже доставила. Вот только ради таких загадок и сцен однозначно стоит смотреть любителям жути.
А что касаемо финала, не хочу придираться. Мне нравятся все версии, и с посмертием и с водой, и даже если всё вместе. И каждый сам для себя решает, кто выжил, кто нет, кто остался, кто ушёл. Вариант с кругами, кольцами и бесконечностью тоже хорош. В общем, каждый найдёт, увидит и поймёт по-своему.
Картинка у сериала потрясающая. Музыка идеально подходящая. Янковского персонаж тоже хороший получился. И в целом актёрский состав не бесячий и очень подходящий. Официально признаюсь, что это первый российский сериал (обычно не смотрю), которым я даже довольна осталась. Побольше бы таких наших произведений видеть, было бы здорово, с удовольствием бы посмотрела даже что-то очень похожее.
Пересматривать не стану, но какое-то удовольствие испытала.