s01e07 — 7 серия

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Release Date: 23.06.202223.06.2022 00:00
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Discussion: Season 1, Episode 7
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polibelle
polibelle
23 Jun 2022, 00:36 #
Rarely did I wish any of the characters the same cruel death as this scum Klim. When he shot at a bus where children and a young woman were sitting, I screamed out loud. I hope that he will have such Kaposi's sarcoma right on his face that he will see what a scum he is every time he dies in the mirror.

A good KGB officer who almost himself managed everything in the city in a human way or an unexpected pleasant rarity. Corrupt cops who refused to help protect children or the expected reality.

Gilana's fate -- it's just tin. I lost a child, got HIV, my husband cheated on my best friend, there is no life in the city, there is no future. It's just unbelievable how much a good modest person has received, but it hasn't broken, it's holding on. And how many such innocent souls were lost is scary to imagine.

The moment of pregnancy or a small joke, of course, considering what it means: the main one in the search for a zero patient of a sexually transmitted disease was having unprotected sex with his girlfriend, who was suspected of being unfaithful with a journalist. Lovely.

In general, the whole series of each episode caused just violent emotions. I think this is an excellent indicator, the creators got to the very heart. Yes, the series is not perfect, but I kept my attention from the beginning to the end of each episode.

The raised topic is or is super important, especially considering the final message: once again, the victims did not receive any support, only corruption and oblivion, no one apologized to anyone. I remember Beslan, Nord Ost, a whole series of tragedies where the state brushed off the weak, saying that taking care of people or it will show weakness.
KateMilk
KateMilk
23 Jun 2022, 13:28 #
@polibelle: the topic of pregnancy is generally incomprehensible. After all, we were shown in one scene, after the sex of the hero Efremov with his lady, a used condom package. That is, they were protected for a while. In the beginning, I even thought that they would lead to the fact that the girl was pregnant by someone else. For example, from the hero Stychkin)) No wonder he was jealous of him all the time.
concept_who
concept_who
23 Jun 2022, 14:03 #
Protected sexual intercourse is not an absolute guarantee of protection from pregnancy. The effectiveness of the male condom is 98%. There is always the possibility of getting pregnant by protecting yourself
SamSpiridonov
SamSpiridonov
24 Jun 2022, 19:28 #
@concept_who: 98% efficiency when used correctly. This is still not the most banal knowledge, and in the USSR it was even worse (although the dude grew up in a family of doctors, he should know)
nurie
nurie
23 Jun 2022, 16:48 #
Alyona's pregnancy is as meaningless as Alyona herself — it's not clear why she's in the series at all? Alyona from the first to the sixth series: "I don't want children." Alyona in the seventh episode: "I'm pregnant." WTF? What's the message? They didn't even show if she had left a child.
aulunni
aulunni
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 22:45 #
@nurie: She said she wouldn't leave him. I am not ready for such responsibility and life is still ahead of me. and Dima agreed with her
Hataxa81
Hataxa81
24 Jun 2022, 12:58 #
@itxksu: Dima said that he is not ready either, but they will cope. I would consider it, that it could still be left.
Korieversson
Korieversson
24 Jun 2022, 20:23 #
@itxksu: It's strange how there are so many disadvantages. After all, she really said that.
alenkoy_shelkova
alenkoy_shelkova
24 Jun 2022, 21:03 #
@Hataxa81: They'll probably leave it. Alyona herself cried with relief after his words, because, apparently, she still hoped that he would dissuade her.
nurie
nurie
25 Jun 2022, 07:54 #
Yes, it looked like they decided to leave. But after Goncharov's performance on television, I'm not sure that even the heroes themselves will stay together.
lerafilm
lerafilm
09 Jan 2023, 19:45 #
They showed right there that she left Dima and chose to help sick children, rather than have her own
xenizhe
xenizhe
20 Jun 2023, 19:50 #
@lerafilm: If you are talking about the footage where Alyona with Gilyana and the children are running and playing near the lake, then they are signed "November 1988". Judging by their clothes and the bus, it's just after they escaped from the hospital. But the footage of Goncharov's performance on TV and Alyona watching it dates back to December 1988.
chllndjn1
chllndjn1
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 00:41 #
my heart literally squeezed from the cries of "stop it, there are children there!", the sounds of broken glass and the feeling of fear hanging in the air ... one of the strongest scenes in the entire series.

here's the finale! the moral is clear and understandable: I want a simple human being to tell you honestly when trouble happens. great show!
I like that a problem has been raised, the culprits of which have not been named. I hope the series has opened many eyes to HIV.

it is also important to note the brilliant acting. it was just wow! what good fellows they all are.

"patient zero" is a case when advertising is good at every step. necessary and good.
Ksushen_ka
Ksushen_ka
23 Jun 2022, 00:43 #
The grandmother who bought buns at the train station is a bright ray and Hope for an adequate society…

The scenes in the hospital are so disgusting that there are simply no words.

The saddest thing is that in 2022 people have not changed much for the better.
chllndjn1
chllndjn1
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 00:44 #
Yes!!! The scene with grandma is just in the heart </3
DashaSkanchik
DashaSkanchik
21 Jan 2023, 10:54 #
@chillandnoah_:
Mao_Ri
Mao_Ri
24 Jun 2022, 12:19 #
@Ksushen_ka: I agree, grandma at the train station, having done very little - just buying buns for the children - did a huge thing. And against the background of the whole tragedy of the series and especially the final episode, it looked very touching.
kinolady
kinolady
25 Jun 2022, 14:18 #
I shed tears on this stage, it seems like such a simple act, but to the depths of my soul
kolykhalovaa
kolykhalovaa
23 Jun 2022, 01:11 #
The beginning of the series is very emotional, I literally pressed myself into bed ... 💔
Feelatic_com
Feelatic_com
23 Jun 2022, 04:03 #
The strongest emotions!


An angry crowd.
A kid with fists, ready to defend himself and his friends.
A shot at a bus with children.

I was already shaking with worry!
de_javu
de_javu
24 Jun 2022, 17:14 #
@Feelatic_com: I actually burst into tears when they boarded the bus and this kid with fists 😭😭😭
Vally4example
Vally4example
23 Jun 2022, 04:39 #
I sincerely enjoyed every episode.
The amazing work of the team of creators of the series. A whole new level. The story of each character is revealed, you worry about the characters, the actors play extremely well.
The plot itself is presented firmly, without sagging, very carefully.
Tension is skillfully created and maintained.
I am pleasantly surprised by this series, I was waiting for a reason))

It is always very difficult to tolerate the ignorance and madness of the crowd, even on the screen. His fists clenched in anger. How ignorance of the facts, the truth, and what evil people are dealing with can lead to an even greater catastrophe and dehumanization. As a desire to smooth out the corners, to hide the misdeeds of individuals, they cause enormous damage to simple human destinies.
The series was filmed in such a way that you look forward to every episode. I sincerely enjoyed the camerawork, the picture is presented amazingly. Editing, color correction, music - just a great job has been done on everything.

The topic of HIV is important now, given the situation in the country, it is important to eliminate the ignorance and prejudice about this disease, which many people live with today.
And, perhaps, to learn some lessons for yourself.
After all, not everyone can remain human when faced with something dangerous and unknown, as we know.

P.S. I am very sorry for the early death of the wonderful actor Yevgeny Syty. I didn't immediately recognize him on the screen, the disease had exhausted him greatly, but how poignantly it hurt for his character… A wonderful actor (
Vally4example
Vally4example
23 Jun 2022, 05:40 #
I can't understand, was only the batch of Elista's immunoglobulin destroyed? Did you decide not to even check the rest? Wasn't the drug distributed all over the country? Is it impossible to find a real zero along the path of origin of the infected immunoglobulin if the virus has spread in this way?
It could lead to a new catastrophe.
I have not read the sources, I have not checked the authenticity, the question is exclusively about the plot.
Ittanni
Ittanni
23 Jun 2022, 06:29 #
I think that in all probability, otherwise it would be possible to check the drugs that were in the same Vilnius, where the virus was confirmed, and in a large number, judging by the list that was shown briefly.
Vally4example
Vally4example
23 Jun 2022, 06:53 #
That's what I'm talking about. In that case, it was worth checking all the batches, wasn't it? Or at least some of them. And get to zero if he is among the donors. And there could be more than one such donor. It's strange that this moment was left hanging. Maybe someone has studied this question, can you tell me?))
kris_kn
kris_kn
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 16:49 #
It was said in the scene at the cottage that batches of immunoglobulin were destroyed throughout the USSR, not only in Elista, therefore there is no way to prove about immunoglobulin
Vally4example
Vally4example
24 Jun 2022, 07:10 #
Not for the USSR, but for the region.
I suppose, in Kalmykia)
Tina_Turner
Tina_Turner
25 Jun 2022, 18:26 #
This moment also raised a lot of questions for me. It is unclear how much of this drug there was, how much has already been used and in which regions. Where were similar outbreaks, how were they treated - hidden? And provided that if there was an adequate attitude to the sterility of syringes in this hospital, then there were certainly hospitals that had a different attitude, and in case of negligence, there should be astronomical outbreaks. And this is not the whole list of questions.
Little_Girle
Little_Girle
PRO
05 Nov 2022, 18:28 #
@Tina_Turner: We said at the beginning of the series, there are only 5 laboratories across the country that can study HIV and all tests are sent there. I think that no one paid attention to such outbreaks in other regions, as in Elista at the beginning.
ceotcndjdfybt
ceotcndjdfybt
21 Jan 2023, 22:48 #
@Vally4example: Actually, it's a bit of a strange story. First, children with purulent diseases appear, then Batu is born, then HIV is confirmed in the girl (yes, she could have been injected with immunoglobulin before delivery, but the virus manifests itself after a while, and not immediately)🙃
Alex-219
Alex-219
04 Oct 17:07 #
@Vally4example: according to the plot, they were destroyed everywhere. Not according to the plot, the immunoglobulin originated with the commission of the Ministry of Health of the RSFSR to disavow the syringe version.
karlysheva
karlysheva
23 Jun 2022, 07:25 #
Well, finally! A lot, fast, "delicious".

The scene with the children in the hospital made me bursting. Anger, sadness, misunderstanding. A stone in Klim's head is a joy. A little boy with fists is pride and emotion.
andarielka
andarielka
23 Jun 2022, 07:41 #
An amazing series.
Excellent emotional final.
Super important topic.
Esistanc
Esistanc
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 08:47 #
The commentators above have already written everything. This is one of the best TV shows I've watched this year ♥️ Important theme, beautiful picture, great actors. I was really looking forward to a new episode every week.
Rianka
Rianka
27 Apr 2024, 12:00 #
@Esistanc: I subscribe to every word. The only thing I was already watching when he came out, and right from the beginning to the end. I couldn't tear myself away.
KisJulVl
KisJulVl
23 Jun 2022, 09:36 #
"Tell me, what country do you live in? What is right here? Do you know who killed the most people here? No, not fascists with Mongols, but people who wished the country well."

The KGB officer is cool, his words caught on to tears. That's the way it is in this country, and it always looks like it will be.
nurie
nurie
24 Jun 2022, 02:42 #
Yeah, just pleased! I thought another cardboard representative of the system would put sticks in the wheels of the heroes... And in the end he sorted everything out and generally carried the main philosophical load, you can say! These are his quotes from the classics and kefirchik... a curious detail, by the way.
WolfsSeele
WolfsSeele
07 Jul 2022, 02:25 #
@nurie: And what about kefir?
nurie
nurie
07 Jul 2022, 21:25 #
At the meeting with Goncharov, he drank something similar to kefir (maybe milk), and there was a glass next to it, as for cognac. I was amused. Wangyu, this character has a difficult relationship with alcohol... ever since he took a bubble out of his pocket in the sixth episode.😅
khageeva
khageeva
24 Jun 2022, 14:10 #
Pavel Maikov played amazing! I don't really remember his roles, and I remained in my memory as a Bee from the Brigade. But here I saw a really worthwhile actor
SamSpiridonov
SamSpiridonov
24 Jun 2022, 19:32 #
@khageeva: he also has a good role in "Contact" - a kind of consecrated version of "Accident, cop's daughter" but less tragic.
lerafilm
lerafilm
09 Jan 2023, 19:49 #
And The Bee is in the brigade
zaycen
zaycen
30 Jan 2023, 22:05 #
@khageeva: Maikov played awesome in cheating
yuliashpyg
yuliashpyg
23 Jun 2022, 10:33 #
The actor playing Klim played it perfectly! I couldn't stand him from the very beginning of his appearance in the series
SergeiH
SergeiH
24 Jun 2022, 12:59 #
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SergeiH
SergeiH
25 Jun 2022, 16:56 #
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Gibbons
Gibbons
02 Jul 2022, 09:30 #
@yuliashpyg: Schreiber plays scumbags or cannibals in almost all TV series :) It seems to me that he was created for such roles.
dattusha
dattusha
23 Jun 2022, 12:23 #
Well, I'm very impressed. But, I just didn't understand. in the end, did they still say the wrong thing? not what they actually found out, but the truth, which is milder? about patient zero?
Ittanni
Ittanni
23 Jun 2022, 12:27 #
They did not say about immunoglobulin and that this version cannot be confirmed or refuted. In general, I think it has a place to be, but not in the case of Gilyana and Ivanov, just nothing matches in time
dimalu
dimalu
23 Jun 2022, 16:47 #
Yes, it seems that Ivan shouted to Gilyana that they had not had sex for 6 months after the death of his 4-month-old son and rushed at her with accusations of treason. So in their chain it is possible from Klim.
But in other cases, there is a high probability of the drug
alenkoy_shelkova
alenkoy_shelkova
24 Jun 2022, 21:06 #
@Ittanni: I don't understand how Gilyana could have been infected by Batu. The child gets infected from the mother during pregnancy, but in the opposite direction how?
sandy_kil
sandy_kil
24 Jun 2022, 22:28 #
@alenkoy_shelkova: when breastfeeding through microtrauma, such a case was in reality in Elista
melfeli
melfeli
25 Jun 2022, 22:28 #
@alenkoy_shelkova: breastfeeding
shozayura
shozayura
23 Jun 2022, 12:56 #
how wrong I was to think that the quintessence of hopelessness was the last frame of the previous episode.
Elena-Uno
Elena-Uno
23 Jun 2022, 13:21 #
The series is well made. If we abstract from the topic, there is no "chemistry" between Efremov and his girlfriend at all.
nurie
nurie
23 Jun 2022, 15:57 #
Yes, there is none. And in general, Alyona is an absolutely superfluous character. It's just there to be, like a hero can't be without a girl. Even Goncharov's misadventures in Afghanistan are revealed not through Alyona, but through Shipov.
greeen___tea
greeen___tea
23 Jun 2022, 17:10 #
they clearly have more chemistry with Shipov than with Alyona
nurie
nurie
23 Jun 2022, 17:44 #
By the way, Shipov turned out to be more convincing in the end than Alyona with "tell the truth." Well, an interesting development of relations from dislike to friendship — that is, that is.🤣
Iridescent19
Iridescent19
21 Jun 2023, 00:26 #
And I liked their line. In the beginning, Alena was annoying. But then, when she came to visit him in Elista and supported him there in every possible way, she changed her opinion about her very much.
Elinkas
Elinkas
08 Jan 22:16 #
@Elena-Uno: The actress still plays hideously (
Ryaboshuk
Ryaboshuk
23 Jun 2022, 14:01 #
Klim, of course, is a rare beast, so infuriating. Shoot at the bus, at the children... The girl who charged Klima with a stone on the head is just a beauty!

The series is good, pleased, I did not expect this. The topic raised will always be relevant. Thank you so much for such a series.

I want to mention Klim's game - to play the scumbag smartly, throughout the series I wanted to swat him. Efremov and Ilyasov are also good.

The line of romance between Kirsan and Gilyana was very pleased at the end of the series.
nurie
nurie
23 Jun 2022, 16:00 #
Yes! Kirsan and Gilyana could be a great couple. It's great that he left her a phone number. And there was no reconciliation with Zina.
Korieversson
Korieversson
24 Jun 2022, 20:32 #
@nurie: By the way, Zina was also finally revealed in the final. She not only gives the man where the "AIDS patients" are, she steals the medication register and makes it look like they broke into the hospital.
nurie
nurie
24 Jun 2022, 21:18 #
That's it. She is not a match for Kirsan, not a match. If Zina and Kirsan had reconciled, Kinopoisk would have owed me a new chair! Fortunately, Kirsan turned out to be red-blooded, and not blissful. I would love to watch a spin-off about him with Gilyana! 💖
x0m1ak
x0m1ak
PRO
03 Aug 2022, 13:39 #
@Ryaboshuk: Who is Klim? Klim is a character who was perfectly played by actor Nikolai Schreiber. For some reason, you Googled Efremov and Ilyasov or knew them before writing a review)
Ryaboshuk
Ryaboshuk
03 Aug 2022, 14:29 #
@x0m1ak: And I see that you have nothing to find fault with, so they decided on how I wrote the actors and their roles))
x0m1ak
x0m1ak
PRO
03 Aug 2022, 14:51 #
@Ryaboshuk: I just wrote you the full name of the actor you liked, so that in the future you would indicate his name so that others would know about him. That's all.
Ryaboshuk
Ryaboshuk
03 Aug 2022, 14:55 #
@x0m1ak: Well, I didn't ask for it)
And you can find out about the cast both here in the description and in Google. Right now, everyone will break through the comments to find exactly yours, with an indication of the actor 🤦🏻♀️
lerafilm
lerafilm
09 Jan 2023, 19:55 #
Why is this necessary, I personally did not give up the full name of all the actors, it is easier to understand when they write the name of the character, not the actor
shagaleevaa
shagaleevaa
23 Jun 2022, 14:21 #
during the scene with my grandmother at the train station, I couldn't hold back my tears
bertruce
bertruce
24 Jun 2022, 22:04 #
@shagaleevaa: I burst into tears on this stage
semenoval
semenoval
23 Jun 2022, 14:33 #
The scene of the attack in the hospital is creepy. Klim is a complete bastard 😖

And when the little boy also got up to fight... to tears
Fadelena
Fadelena
26 Jun 2022, 09:23 #
@semenoval: I am also very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the boy who showed Alyona magic tricks in the hospital, so natural and sweet, just a joy
38re_gi0n
38re_gi0n
23 Jun 2022, 14:41 #
Goncharov's logical report, more precisely, it is logical that he issued a softer version for the "people" while knocking out funding from the minister. I think this gave our medicine a little advantage, plus the development of measures against HIV, patients would no longer be cured, but there were many times fewer new ones infected, so well done, I'm sorry I didn't punch my dad in the face, but like in Chernobyl, all the problems are from inaction, this has always been and always will be. Until someone changes something 🤔
Injekcia
Injekcia
24 Jun 2022, 08:20 #
@38re_gi0n: you are also waiting for someone to change something... This someone is each of us, all of us, then something can change. Until everyone realizes that their life is in their hands, starts asking questions and asking for the result, nothing will change. And you can wait for a good master all your life.
ikaa
ikaa
07 Jul 2022, 00:23 #
@Injekcia: This position is either naivety or cynicism.
Ittanni
Ittanni
23 Jun 2022, 15:12 #
This is a story primarily about what it means to be a person, a society, and what it is like. What do people do at the time of the tragedy, what do they have to do with it. After all, multiplying hatred is not the way out. First of all, we need to recognize the disaster and help people.
As Askar Ilyasov said: "Just be kind"

The series evokes incredible emotions, primarily because of the pace of the narration, you always sit on pins and needles, but there were also pleasant moments where you smile.

Incredible kids, they're all so cute, so good🥹🥹🥹

Of course, the line of Zina and immunoglobulin remained suspended in the air, think for yourself, but come on.

I don't think it's worth accusing Goncharov of weakness or cowardice, because he is still changing the system (syringes, and the budget for next year, which was not drawn up, that is, Chazov will now be unable to dismiss and say that there is no money), in which not only HIV, but also other diseases can spread. In such a situation, as Kirsan said at the end, it is necessary to recognize the tragedy and help, which begins to happen, slowly, sluggishly, but it begins.

I hope that the series will somehow affect the HIV situation in the country and people will think about it, or maybe they will become kinder.
nurie
nurie
23 Jun 2022, 19:43 #
I'll think about it: they put me in jail. It is unlikely that Shipov offered to quietly return the shortfall. 🤔
Korieversson
Korieversson
24 Jun 2022, 20:34 #
@Ittanni: "Of course, the line of Zina and immunoglobulin remained suspended in the air, figure it out for yourself, but come on."
In principle, they showed us enough. She stole a medical record book and staged everything as if someone had broken into the hospital and ran away. Further, as they say...
nurie
nurie
24 Jun 2022, 21:03 #
All this was useless: the failure was discovered and Zina was attacked before the pogrom. She just didn't know.
Scandias
Scandias
25 Sep 2024, 15:50 #
@nurie: There was no direct evidence specifically against her, just a piece of KGB intelligence
id227797
id227797
12 Nov 2024, 07:40 #
But it seems to me that there was evidence. He said there were witnesses. And earlier they had covered up a drug den. That's probably where they turned her in.
nurie
nurie
23 Jun 2022, 16:46 #
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kris_kn
kris_kn
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 16:55 #
An incredibly filmed series, an important theme, wonderful acting, editing, music…
Everything is fine here!

I watched every episode in suspense, I really liked it!

The scene in the hospital - nerves, worries, with my grandmother at the train station - a smile through tears - the whole series is a continuous stream of sincere emotions from the viewer, thank you for this to all involved ❣️
Podarok16
Podarok16
23 Jun 2022, 17:27 #
I also shrank into a chair on the stage at the hospital. I wanted to scream and pound with my fists. But my throat was constricted, and I was paralyzed. I could only burst into tears at the moment with the baby standing up.
And the worst thing is that nothing has changed in these 30 years. Everyone is silent for our safety and not to rock this fucking boat.
I liked how the characters of Efremov and Stychkin revealed themselves. Living characters who have changed and gained volumes.
An amazing series:without fillers, sagging and tightening, everything is fast and "loud". Thanks to the whole team.
rnkrkp
rnkrkp
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 18:54 #
What a strong scene in the hospital. again, I will note how these creatures (there is no other word for it) divide THEIR children and THESE. And no one clicked that they were going to attack children. Blind hatred and any lack of empathy, because children are our future, but it turns out that not all children are the future.
and I was very pleased with the scene with my grandmother at the train station.
The series is great. it causes a storm of different emotions, looks fast and does not sag. Thanks to every actor and the whole team. Great job that deserves more attention!
D1M1N
D1M1N
23 Jun 2022, 19:18 #
Episode 7 is this a movie about a movie?
shozayura
shozayura
23 Jun 2022, 19:32 #
8 is a movie about a movie
Мятный_марципан
Мятный_марципан
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 21:21 #
You couldn't wish for a more powerful ending. A tense attack on the hospital, touching Gilan, children, a granny with a bag of biscuits and a tough deal with conscience at the end. To goosebumps, tears, nervous hand wringing and head grabbing.
Many people scold Alyona's character, and it seems to be on business, but it seems to me that she is rather not a character, but the image of a new country that just wants truth and reasonableness, and can nurture a really bright future, but they prefer her own comfort again. Therefore, we are still in about the same place, and a new country has not been born.
Low bow to the creators, actors and everyone involved. As long as there are such projects, we will not be lost.
ikaa
ikaa
07 Jul 2022, 00:26 #
@Minty_marzipan: I really agree about Alyona. You described it super accurately👍
evgeg91
evgeg91
23 Jun 2022, 21:42 #
It's funny, of course. When the "bald man" talks about "fascists" somewhere out there. But in fact, we have enough of this ourselves
renatamarten
renatamarten
24 Jul 2022, 12:05 #
@wteme1991: It is interesting what was said about nationalism in Kalmykia and other republics. In fact, this is what ethnic self-identification is called, now I understand who the nationalists and fascists are.
Madam_Mymlan
Madam_Mymlan
23 Jun 2022, 21:52 #
Thanks to the creators for the wonderful series. And to you guys, for the wonderful company ❤
zzz_203
zzz_203
PRO
23 Jun 2022, 22:15 #
I'm shocked by what I've seen 🙄
Was this really the case?
Enraged men tried to kill a child with HIV😱
An emotionally strong series has been released...
id440426744
id440426744
01 Jul 2022, 21:00 #
@zzz_203: Yes, it's easy. A real survey was conducted and 18%!!! percent of the respondents were in favor of eliminating sick children.
zzz_203
zzz_203
PRO
02 Jul 2022, 16:47 #
@id440426744: this is terrible! 🙄
veryshka92
veryshka92
23 Jun 2022, 23:54 #
Thanks!!! To the actors, screenwriters, directors and everyone involved in the creation of this series!
I really want as many people as possible to watch it!
avada_K2
avada_K2
24 Jun 2022, 00:10 #
I will join the general impression of watching, but I want to touch on the weaknesses a little, because there is enough praise here anyway)
It seems to me that this series lacked suspense and timing. It is a very extensive topic, but due to the short content, it was not possible to fully reveal the characters (although hbo managed to do this in Chernobyl and for a shorter duration). From this, the characters partially turned out to be caricatured: a typical official, a typical journalist, a typical mayor, heads. doctor, gay, girlfriend of gg, disgruntled resident - Klim, etc. Actually, in the process, you start to empathize with them less and less.
And the second thing is intimacy, it's more a matter of budget. Some scenes (a conversation in the park in the first episodes or a fight at the factory) look too theatrical. And in principle, there are not very many locations here. Although the camerawork is excellent.
The series, in my opinion, was a success. Solid, not perfect, but telling about the really important things.
dissentfree
dissentfree
24 Jun 2022, 00:21 #
This is the first Russian TV series that I liked so much. 💔
Vikatoria_1995
Vikatoria_1995
24 Jun 2022, 00:23 #
I still have a question why Kirsan didn't get sick (he cut himself in the first episode from Batu)? Who knows, maybe I missed something
mikeneko
mikeneko
PRO
24 Jun 2022, 11:59 #
@a1185602: most likely the wound was too small for the virus to be transmitted. The bleeding wound should be bigger and there should be more blood from the sick patient. Kirsan was just lucky
x0m1ak
x0m1ak
PRO
03 Aug 2022, 13:46 #
@mikeneko: what about the transmission of HIV through breastfeeding?
mikeneko
mikeneko
PRO
03 Aug 2022, 13:53 #
@x0m1ak: these are different liquids and the nuances are different here, I advise you to read the official sites about HIV
x0m1ak
x0m1ak
PRO
03 Aug 2022, 14:55 #
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ZeroCool777
ZeroCool777
24 Jun 2022, 01:19 #
I missed something, but how did Gilyana (mother) get infected from Batu (son)?
nurie
nurie
24 Jun 2022, 01:22 #
No way. Gilana was infected by her husband. And Batu was already infected by her during childbirth.
ZeroCool777
ZeroCool777
24 Jun 2022, 01:33 #
@nurie: Well, at the 18th minute, I quote, "The infected drug that we injected into Batu, he infected Gilana, that Ivan..."
nurie
nurie
24 Jun 2022, 01:42 #
And, according to the version with infected immunoglobulin. Well, in theory, somehow through the blood...
fioly
fioly
24 Jun 2022, 02:07 #
@nurie: through breastfeeding in this version, Batu could infect her.
Ittanni
Ittanni
24 Jun 2022, 02:11 #
It doesn't add up in time, it's very far-fetched, it seems to me that Kirsan is all based on the fact that everything was sterilized according to the rules and the doctors are not to blame. Well, he can't accept it, but what can he do? Since the first test showed a positive result for the drug, there is a high probability that there are those who became infected from the drug, but this is definitely not Gilana and Batu, here it is only sexually transmitted. Batu could have infected through feeding, but here again, sexual relations do not add up. Moreover, Ivan had been cheating for 1.5 years, as he said, they had not slept with Gilyana for six months, the infection occurred either immediately at the time of conception, or a little later in the first couple of months of pregnancy. We also don't know anything about Klim and Nadia. I'm sorry, but there's no other explanation.
Plus, syringes in such a quantity were written off for a reason. And the scene where Sarana Bairovna was washing a syringe in the sink and crying.
SergeiH
SergeiH
24 Jun 2022, 13:08 #
Through breast-feeding? That is, the baby's saliva and possible wounds in the area of the mother's nipple? But it is known that there is very little virus in saliva and it is not enough to infect
SamSpiridonov
SamSpiridonov
24 Jun 2022, 19:36 #
@ZeroCool777: yes, there is an ambush here — the virus is very rarely transmitted from the child to the mother (it is not enough in saliva, it is necessary that the child's blood match the mother's wounds, for example). And Ivan claimed that he and his wife had not slept for a long time.

So the zero-Climate version looks more logical than an infected immunoglobulin.
AlbinoDeer
AlbinoDeer
03 Jul 2022, 19:19 #
@SergeiH: In the article about HIV in the USSR, the mother was infected through the nipple not because of the child's saliva, but because of his ulcers with the virus in his mouth. The series is based on real events, but the child was infected through non-sterile syringes. and in the series it was shown that the syringe was not changed between the two girls and both became infected.
Vasabi_
Vasabi_
PRO
24 Jun 2022, 05:43 #
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Samantha_Swan
Samantha_Swan
25 Jun 2022, 02:19 #
With immunoglobulin, not insulin
karinabuzia
karinabuzia
PRO
24 Jun 2022, 05:49 #
I really liked the series. I wish there were more such high-quality and interesting projects.
RainbowGirl
RainbowGirl
24 Jun 2022, 12:10 #
A very high-quality and cool series, the scene of the hospital assault was simply overwhelmed with emotions. My applause to the creators!
SergeiH
SergeiH
24 Jun 2022, 13:28 #
According to immunoglobulin, it is not clear from the word at all. It's a strange theory. It is known that the virus lives only in vivo, i.e. in a living organism. Once in the external environment, he dies. Hence the myth that you can get HIV through a syringe lying on the street. Hepatitis and something else, yes, but not HIV, since the immunodeficiency virus does not live in the external environment (we are talking, of course, about an old, long-lying syringe; we will not consider the situation when you deliberately ambush a man and jump at a trot on a fresh syringe that he has just thrown into the alley). And if the blood of a potentially infected donor participated in the creation of an immunoglobulin batch, then how could the virus survive there and be dangerous after a long time? Either it can somehow happen, which I would be surprised at (if there are infectious disease doctors here, please comment), or the scriptwriters felt that the majority of the people did not really understand such subtleties and simply, without bothering, used an anti-scientific theory to escalate the disaster. Or maybe they just don't know it themselves.
Madam_Mymlan
Madam_Mymlan
24 Jun 2022, 18:04 #
@SergeiH: at that time, there was little information about the virus and the immunoglobulin was like a version
Noordzee
Noordzee
24 Jun 2022, 18:27 #
@Madam_Mymlan: With the analyses and the drama between Dima and his father, the series tries very hard to present it as the main one, talking about the syringe path of inconsistency and all that. And the fact that the head physician burned the immunoglobulin, although if there had been evidence of contamination of the drug, he would have just shown that it was not the hospital staff's fault, or at least not only them, it is very illogical. A strange final note
Hataxa81
Hataxa81
24 Jun 2022, 18:46 #
@Noordzee: if they proved that the problem was due to the immunoglobulin, then the heads of the entire top of healthcare would fly. The same thing was said.
Korieversson
Korieversson
24 Jun 2022, 20:39 #
@Noordzee: he could have destroyed it because his KGB officer caught him in a "bribery purchase" or something like that - they also had a conversation that he had given the order to purchase a certain company.
Well, in general, Dmitry's father himself says that he destroyed it in order "not to know for sure," that is, he allowed such a possibility.
Alex-219
Alex-219
04 Oct 17:20 #
@Hataxa81: well, in reality, immunoglobulin originated with the commission of the Ministry of Health of the RSFSR (the doctors of the Kalmyk ASSR were theirs, but the Ministry of Medical and Microbiological Industry was responsible for production).
SamSpiridonov
SamSpiridonov
24 Jun 2022, 19:39 #
@SergeiH: maybe they just changed the version to a more convenient one for filming? I can't remember now, of course, but at the dawn of the 2000s, one of the truthful versions (along with the zero patient from abroad) described blood transfusion - donors were not tested for HIV in the 80s.
KateMilk
KateMilk
24 Jun 2022, 20:24 #
@SergeiH: The immunoglobulin version is real, not an invention of the screenwriters. It's also mentioned on Wikipedia, and Oleg Malovichko (the screenwriter) said that this version was taken from local doctors they met and they still believe in it.
viziterka
viziterka
12 Jun 2023, 19:51 #
Of course they do, it's not their fault in this version.
Korieversson
Korieversson
24 Jun 2022, 20:45 #
@SergeiH: They probably made references to modern history. A quick Google search revealed several stories where it was suspected that blood from an HIV donor was used in the production of albumin and no heat treatment was performed. That is, theoretically it could be. And Wikipedia says that the theory of immunoglobulin at that time was
Lliyirna
Lliyirna
29 Dec 2022, 18:34 #
@SergeiH: Contaminated blood products have infected people, it has been proven
alenkoy_shelkova
alenkoy_shelkova
24 Jun 2022, 21:30 #
"Patient Zero" is, I think, the first Russian TV series I've watched, about which I want to say that it's really good, without adding "for a Russian TV series"
An important story that has not lost its relevance yet, while not hackneyed.
The aesthetics of the 80s are well shown, from music at parties and on the radio to details like the Scorpions concert poster.
Finally, it was shown that Russia is a multinational country, I can't remember another series where the main character would not have a Slavic appearance.
For the first time in my memory, they showed a homosexual character without stereotyping (in episode 6).
The only thing I lacked was a greater role for women. Alyona is a pretty useless character, Zina is despicable, only Gilana admires her resilience.
bazatron
bazatron
25 Jun 2022, 00:23 #
It is very interesting, for what purpose did the creators of the series try to shift responsibility for the outbreak of HIV infection in Elista to government agencies with a moral level - "everyone wanted the best, but no one is to blame"?
The story of those infected with immunoglobulin occurred in Voronezh in 2005, in a completely different country, under a completely different president and Under a completely different Minister of Health, when more than two hundred people were infected with AIDS, only of those identified. It has nothing to do with the outbreak in Elista.
However, both of these stories are clearly connected by one person.
This, of course, was not shown in the series, but the medical commission, according to the results of which the events in Elista were hidden as much as possible, included the "unknown" deputy head of the Main Department of Quarantine Infections of the USSR Ministry of Health, Gennady Onishchenko.
KateMilk
KateMilk
25 Jun 2022, 11:58 #
@bazatron: The immunoglobulin version was also in Elista, and there are still doctors who defend it.
bazatron
bazatron
25 Jun 2022, 15:48 #
@KateMilk: There are no such doctors.
This version was first published in the yellow press in 2002, and the words about the infected drug are attributed to a certain Boris Sangadzhiev, who is either the head of the department or a staff surgeon.
The funny thing is that such a person has never existed, however, the quote from the 2002 article has been actively copied and redefined for 20 years.
KateMilk
KateMilk
25 Jun 2022, 16:38 #
@bazatron: The screenwriter of Patient Zero said that they went to Elista and talked with local doctors. There are still enthusiasts who believe in the immunoglobulin version and collect some documents and extracts. Therefore, the creators of the series added this version, trying to make it more convincing, although they themselves understand that it is not reliable. But you can consider it all an invention of the screenwriter then))
bazatron
bazatron
26 Jun 2022, 02:36 #
@KateMilk: There are still even supporters of a Flat Earth.
Do you really find the deaths of seven dozen children and hundreds of mutilated lives associated with them funny?
Why all these emoticons?


white_boom
white_boom
25 Jun 2022, 01:11 #
Strong and brave. But until now.. So far, there doesn't seem to be a problem! And people with HIV are bypassed a kilometer away and cursed.. Oh, how we launched everything(
Slimov
Slimov
25 Jun 2022, 21:43 #
Probably the first time I liked the KGB officer in Russian TV series, it's even hard to argue with most of his arguments, especially in the finale.
The deep people are such an unpredictable business, they may not believe the absolute truth and invent their own nonsense and at the same time unquestioningly believe in fierce game.
Vi_K
Vi_K
26 Jun 2022, 02:06 #
A quality product. Well done
Fadelena
Fadelena
26 Jun 2022, 09:32 #
Why did Stychkin's character feel bad from time to time? I thought they were leading to the fact that he had HIV, but he might have been with Alena, and somehow they would promote this line; in fact, they didn't explain anything, or did I miss something?
Slimov
Slimov
26 Jun 2022, 09:42 #
@Fadelena: he has a weak heart, this was directly mentioned in the scene where he felt bad after the donation.
It's not just AIDS that people suffer from.
coco_kaka
coco_kaka
26 Jun 2022, 14:26 #
Everything is fine in this series except Alyona and the sound!
nurie
nurie
27 Jun 2022, 20:02 #
Звук прям боль, выручают сабы.🥲 Интересно, выйдут английские? Порекомендовала бы друзьям-иностранцам.
juliannawolf
juliannawolf
08 Jul 2022, 14:12 #
А я думала это у меня проблемы со слухом, порой не понимала речь актеров, невнятная какая-то😅
renatamarten
renatamarten
24 Jul 2022, 12:14 #
@juliannawolf: вот-вот) я как бабка на всю катушку звук выкрутила, когда смотрела. потом догадалась сабы включить. Но к лору сходить мыслишка была))
Fioly1
Fioly1
04 Jun 2024, 01:13 #
This is not for you to LAURA, but for the actors to the speech therapist). Porridge in the mouth is a common problem of modern Russian cinema. It's incredibly annoying.
BrandyAlexandr
BrandyAlexandr
26 Jun 2022, 19:32 #
Сериал просто на разрыв. Очень достойный. В целом-то ничего не изменилось с тех пор: ни с вич, ни в подходах к решению проблем, ни во власти.
GalyaHudchenkova
GalyaHudchenkova
26 Jun 2022, 19:44 #
В целом сериал очень достойный. Осветил данную проблему в том ключе в котором это действительно есть в реальности. Но немного разочаровал конец, когда про иммуноглобулин умолчали. Главный герой, борющийся за правду, пал в моих глазах
nurie
nurie
28 Jun 2022, 22:28 #
Грустно, конечно, но оправданно сценарно, не только исторической данностью, но и потому, что непримиримый борец за правду в сериале другой — Кирсан. Ну а Гончаров ведёт борьбу пчёл против мёда, заведомо обречённую на провал.
One_day_you_may
One_day_you_may
27 Jun 2022, 07:24 #
Гордость за российские сериалы🙏🏽
RapunzelR
RapunzelR
28 Jun 2022, 14:27 #
Ох, тяжёлый сериал, тяжёлая серия. Но в очередной раз убедилась в том, что не всё так радужно было в СССР, как рассказывают родители. Всё так же утаивали, как и сейчас. "Для общего блага". Тьфу, блин. Кому лучше от незнания настоящей обстановки. Самое грустное, что и сейчас ведь такое постоянно происходит.
Клим - сука. С самого начала было понятно, что его вина в этом есть. А толпа, что следовала за ним, просто вандалы. Я понимаю, страх делает с людьми страшные вещи, но то, как они кидали камнями, стреляли в автобус, это их не оправдывает.
scarcelyinside
scarcelyinside
29 Jun 2022, 13:13 #
A great series, relevant and looks good visually, the script is clearly good. From some scenes, it just takes me aback, it's so cool played: Katya and her grandfather in the car, Dina and Kostya, Dima talks about Afghanistan, the whole scene with the attack on the hospital, here we need to talk about Nikolai Schreiber separately, of course, so cool, I want to strangle Klim.

In general, the caste is 10/10, Alyona just let me down, I didn't really catch why she was needed as a character. But everyone else is wonderful, even the kids surprisingly do not overplay.
Efremov is well done, Ilyasov is very organic in scenes with children, he is so calm, you expect something like this from a doctor.
Mikov for everything — and when we had a really positive adequate! KGB man, miracles are straight, and how they made dumplings with Stychkin.

I also liked Gorbachev in this series. Visually not similar, of course, but he is shown here as an open person who is ready to accept the opinions of others, young in particular, and really do something. Unexpectedly, considering how he is always accused of literally everything.
In general, there is a theme of "young" who are ready to change something somehow and even suggest how to change it, and "older" who literally say to these young people "you will grow up to understand" and persistently continue to sweep all problems under the carpet, no matter what happens. For 30+ years, this has not changed at all, as has the situation with HIV awareness, unfortunately.
cherepaha2508
cherepaha2508
30 Jun 2022, 14:23 #
Лучший из русских сериалов, что я посмотрела в этом году.
vk356630
vk356630
30 Jun 2022, 23:48 #
Самая эмоциональная серия сериала! И подняли тему важную
И показали жесткость людей. Ведь и сейчас то люди не изменились

Сцена в больнице и мальчиком, встающим с кулаками рядом со взрослыми - просто разрыв сердца
bAt0Nx
bAt0Nx
01 Jul 2022, 01:18 #
Очень неплохо, по качеству можно даже с хбошным Чернобылем сравнить.
id3188335
id3188335
14 Jul 2022, 22:52 #
Ну все таки нет
Lolita_BreeZy
Lolita_BreeZy
02 Jul 2022, 17:19 #
Порой мне сложно понять, что эти события были реальными.
Сериал тяжёлый, эмоционально насыщенный, задевает глубоко за живое.
Многие персонажи раскрываются по ходу истории. КГБшник изначально меня бесил, а в дальнейшем благодаря нему вскрылось много подробностей.
Клим поначалу добродушный семьянин, а после старается «избавиться» от вич-инфицированных, что в итоге сам им оказывается.
Кирсан - противоположность системы, искренне любит и верит в своё дело, и он пошёл до конца.
Все персонажи по своему уникальны и это невероятно круто))
AnnaAV
AnnaAV
PRO
04 Jul 2022, 13:53 #
Хорошее завершение сезона. Сцена в больнице- сплошное переживание! Особенно, когда автобус уехал и трое остались учавствовать в драке.
Отдельное спасибо за сцену с Бабушкой на вокзале.
Внутренняя борьба Дмитрия, который хотел раскрыть правду, и его итоговое выступление, реакция Алёны..
Персонаж Кирсана очень понравился.
Сериал отличный! Актёры, музыка, сама картина.. всё достойно похвалы.
NatashCHa
NatashCHa
PRO
04 Jul 2022, 15:18 #
Клим подонок и это было ясно с самого начала. С гнильцой какой-то. А вот мужчина из КГБ(я забыла фамилию. Простите. Вроде, Шипов, но я не уверена...) удивил. Даже без сцены с пельменями. "Я, конечно, могу уебать, но я добрый". Простите, что снова вспомнила какой-то мем. Но он выглядел именно так.
Вопрос к знатокам: история с иммуноглобулином реальна? Такое может быть? Мне как-то не верится, но я ничего в этом не понимаю вообще-то.
SiaSs
SiaSs
06 Jul 2022, 11:44 #
сериал просто шикарен, каждая серия захватывает так, что не можешь оторваться

финал просто великолепен, просто до дрожи💔
Pavel_Fyodorov
Pavel_Fyodorov
09 Jul 2022, 20:22 #
Редко когда сериал по-настящему заставляет задуматься о насущном, как это получилось у Нулевого пациента. Будучи сведущим о проблеме в основном по выпуску Дудя и по каким-то общеизвестным фактам, ни разу эта проблема не задевала меня именно на эмоциональном, глубоком уровне. Сейчас после просмотра финальной серии пошёл читать Вики и пр. на эту тему, фактчекинг, все дела, и видится мне, что основная мораль сериала и тех событий, сквозь десятилетия, в том, что НИ-ЧЕ-ГО глобально НЕ ПОМЕНЯЛОСЬ.
1.5+ млн. инфицированных на 140 млн. страну :'(
Evgenika1287
Evgenika1287
09 Jul 2022, 23:21 #
Очень много комментариев. Больше всего задело то, что из двух версий выбрали наиболее «мягкую и удобную» для верхушки власти, как обычно навешали лапшу на уши граждан. И так было, есть и, увы, будет всегда, а народ слушает и верит. Представьте, сколько мы всего не знаем, сколько скрыто от глаз народа. Поэтому много лет назад я отказалась от телевизора и больше не смотрю и не слушаю никакие новости, доносящейся из СМИ, для меня последним честным журналистом был Влад Листьев, заплативший за правду собственной жизнью.
mrs_cocaine
mrs_cocaine
PRO
11 Jul 2022, 14:00 #
а за круглыми столами верхушки, как 30 лет назад, так и сейчас… ужасающие параллели:
«Ни слова в прессе, обвиним Запад в развязывании биологической войны против СССР, а всех, кто орёт об этом, мы назовём предателями Родины»
Croheart
Croheart
25 Aug 2022, 11:06 #
@mrs_cocaine: до сих пор те же политтехнологии используют 🤦🏻‍♀️
Stoni
Stoni
PRO
11 Jul 2022, 15:58 #
сериал отличный! сцена в больнице - до мурашек! Ефремов - любовь!
Аскар Ильясов, играющий Клима, очень хорошо сыграл. ещё в Эпидемии его заметила, буду следить за его работами и дальше ❤️
MariaTsvetkova
MariaTsvetkova
01 Mar 2023, 22:08 #
Аскар Ильясов играет Кирсана, а Николай Шрайбер - Клима
TatianaBlunt
TatianaBlunt
11 Jul 2022, 23:51 #
Отличный сериал.

Герои все не однозначные, кроме Кирсана. Дмитрий вроде борец, а по итогу сдался системе.
TatianaBlunt
TatianaBlunt
11 Jul 2022, 23:53 #
Больше всего тронули небольшие моменты.
Как мальчишка встал с кулаками.
Как на вокзале бабушка сочники купила.
Как Кирсан с Гильнарой прощался
ГлупыйДжем
ГлупыйДжем
13 Jul 2022, 20:38 #
Ефремов в этой серии очень и очень хорошо сыграл. Просто столько сцен, которые хочется пересмотреть и увидеть реально трансформацию через мимику лица - это потрясно. Путь его героя вовсе не путь протагониста, как нам напомнил сериал, от этого он становится чуть более живым в этой истории. Самое паршивое в этой серии - это постоянные слова о том, что «надо сохранить страну», это как горькая усмешка всем зрителям, ведь страна развалится через 3 года. Понравился эпилог с Кирсаном, где говорят о том, что Дмитрий раскрыл геном вируса (то есть это не давало покоя его беспокойной душе), а Кирсан в ответ: «Это не важно». И ведь действительно не важно, важно лишь то, как страна несёт ответственность за свои поступки, за своих граждан. И ведь жить по принципу «человек человеку - волк» - есть начало конца.
mozhevelnik
mozhevelnik
16 Jul 2022, 23:16 #
Не понимаю, как по версии с иммуноглобулином мать могла заразиться от ребенка, которому его кололи?
preziray
preziray
17 Jul 2022, 23:09 #
В википедии написано, что мать заразилась от кормления грудью, через язвы во рту у ребёнка и микротрещины на сосках матери
preziray
preziray
17 Jul 2022, 23:11 #
Ну это просто одна из версий. Вообще ее представило Министерство Здравоохранения, которое провело собственное расследование и не верило в версию с нулевым пациентом
Dazhur
Dazhur
28 Jul 2022, 00:57 #
@mozhevelnik: более того, как она могла заразить мужа, если не спит с ним)
BukA008
BukA008
16 Jul 2022, 23:43 #
Я вообще не люблю российские сериалы из-за того, что они практически все однотипные, плохо снятые и с плохой актерской игрой.
Но этот сериал (спасибо рекомендации Кинопоиска) посмотрела с огромнейшим удовольствием. Понравились и визуальная составляющая, и сценарий, и игра актеров. Единственный минус, как многие уже писали, это звук. В первых двух сериях вообще не понимала, что актеры говорят. Потом начала смотреть в наушниках, стало лучше.
Безумно грустно осознавать, что эти все события действительно имели место быть...
Большое спасибо создателям сериала за то, что сняли такую картину!
NatashCHa
NatashCHa
PRO
18 Jul 2022, 10:42 #
@vk1059662: хорошие сериалы есть. Их просто найти надо. И перестать спонсировать всякую дрянь из "ИсТоРиЧеСкИе СоБыТиЯ", а в итоге сценарий пишут, не открывая документов
christiina_june
christiina_june
20 Jul 2022, 12:56 #
Аплодирую стоя 👏🏼
Очень достойный сериал, картинка, подача и актерский состав прям вау!
Заметила, что практически в каждом эпизоде есть красный цвет. (Красный цвет - символ осведомленности о спиде)
Возможно случайность, но все равно прикольно :)
Juvora
Juvora
25 Jul 2022, 06:47 #
Потрясающая работа!
Ответственность за заражение, как я понимаю, несло министерство здравохранения (даже название смешно писать, зная историю), но все скрыли как и в большинстве случаев провала государства как системы (Беслан, Чечня, Норд-Ост, Крымская история в 14 году, война в Украине).
Пока не признается общество и государство в своей ответственности за эти поступки так и будет это болото цвести и новые ужасные факты покрывать за счёт человеческих жизней.

Сериал прописан очень хорошо (сценаристы ого как постарались!), мне кажется, что атмосфера перестройки показана прекрасно. Болезненное время, когда гласности больше и прятать всю ложь становится сложнее.
Понравился эпизод с лепкой пельменей, один из немногих тёплых эпизодов, на фоне музыка Кузьмина - и вот тут как раз 100% попадание в ритм времени.
Спасибо!
Anica22
Anica22
27 Jul 2022, 22:17 #
Когда бабушка на вокзале вдруг принесла булочки, я начала рыдать и не могла остановиться.

Потрясающий сериал, очень понравились герои, морали, борьба людей со страхом, с несправедливостью и та грань, тот компромисс с совестью, который у каждого человека свой.

Очень много мыслей. Все ещё не могу поверить, что у нас стали снимать такие хорошие вещи.
Dazhur
Dazhur
28 Jul 2022, 00:50 #
Пересмотрела момент, где была на бумаге нарисована схема и Кирсан говорил про иммуноглобулин. Мол, вкололи его Бату, он заразил Гиляну, а она Ивана. Стоп, как? Если они не спали вместе дофигище времени.
vasina1305
vasina1305
23 Jan 2023, 12:57 #
Ну там говорили, что его полгода , как дома нет. Может он забегал переодически, но не жил с ней постлянноо
kiprian_zhurov
kiprian_zhurov
01 Aug 2022, 00:49 #
Один из лучших, если не лучший российский сериал. Снято отлично.
Сериал заставил искать материалы по теме того, что же было в Элисте на самом деле и о самом ВИЧе в целом.
Lena_pelena
Lena_pelena
08 Aug 2022, 03:32 #
Какой классный сериал, столько эмоций!
z_persik
z_persik
10 Aug 2022, 12:47 #
Просто супер сериал, мне как любителю сериалы про маньяков и болезни всякие, сериал зашёл
Fenyamin
Fenyamin
PRO
20 Aug 2022, 18:56 #
Этот сериал является качественным экземпляром возрождающейся (пусть и не такими большими темпами как хотелось) российской индустрии сериалостроения.

Хорошо подобранные и отыгравший роль актеры и бесконечно важные истории:
1. тема ВИЧ, просвещение в сфере которой даже в 21 веке у нас в стране находиться на крайне низком уровне.

2. тема нежелания наших властей тогда и даже в 21 веке, делать все необходимое для профилактики / выявления / доступной и качественной терапии ВИЧ.

3. тема лживости власти, желания ее винтиков выслужиться, замолчать важные темы, не давать возможности широкой дискуссии и как следствие отсутствие работы над ошибками.

Croheart
Croheart
25 Aug 2022, 10:29 #
Рада, что посмотрела. Страшно и беспросветно, ужасно жаль людей. Кажется, что даже то зашоренное общество с кучей стигм и запретов, в котором мы сейчас живём, огромный шаг вперёд по сравнению с тем, что было.
А система… ну, она такой же осталась. Страну и людей и правда губят не фашисты и не монголы.
А такие люди, как Кирсан, как бабушка на вокзале, дают надежду. С Гончаровым сложный вопрос. Но Ефремов отыграл мощнейше.
gavryusssha
gavryusssha
02 Sep 2022, 01:33 #
шикарный сериал, очень качественный и герои здорово сыграли 🔥

подняли очень важную тему, но жалко что на сегодняшний день в нашем обществе до сих пор есть какие-то предрассудки с ВИЧ инфицированным, всё-таки недостаток образования в этой сфере чувствуется по сей день 😏
chibi_hamster
chibi_hamster
08 Sep 2022, 00:32 #
Сериал оставил у меня просто море эмоций.
Спасибо создателям за освещение данных проблем! Мне было мало эпидемиологии, но для рядового зрителя это не самое важное)
Я рыдала на всех моментах борьбы Гончарова с системой. На мой взгляд, это самое сложное в работе эпидемиолога. Не работа с людьми, не работа в очагах без сна и отдыха, не получение достоверной информации от пациентов (в том числе о контактах) для локализации вспышки и недопущения дальнейшего распространения. А именно отстаивание правды. Борьба за профилактику, предупреждение болезней, борьба за правду.
Как сложно найти тот баланс между правильными поступками и эффективной работой! Ведь если рубить правду-матку с плеча, то ничего хорошего не сделаешь - не успеешь, не дадут. Вся система против одного эпидемиолога.
Гончаров сделал максимум. Пожертвовав персоналом больницы/ наказав их за халатность (а это было доказано и неоспоримо), он добился выделения средств на одноразовые шприцы.
Вот так, маленькими шажками, можно добиться хоть какого-то результата.
Что в 1988, что в 2022... ничего не поменялось в работе эпилемиолога. К сожалению.

И о ляпах. Почему иммуноглобулин из плаценты?🤪 я думала я ослышалась, 5 раз пересмотрела. Но нет, из ПЛАЦЕНТЫ 😅
Как можно было всей съёмочной группой перепутать плазму крови и плаценту🤦‍♀️
shabazov_sh
shabazov_sh
12 Sep 2022, 03:02 #
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lerafilm
lerafilm
09 Jan 2023, 19:59 #
Чтоб показать что они тоже люди и они любят по настоящему, умирая он ему сказал с первой нашей встречи у меня никого не было. А взять Ивана и училку у них семьи, а они изменяют, так же как и муж училки Клим
Dasha_Malik
Dasha_Malik
05 Oct 2022, 16:09 #
Крутой сериал, редко нравятся российские
makaronkaLee
makaronkaLee
27 Nov 2022, 19:38 #
Ох..это было невероятно сильно! Спасибо создателям, что затронули эту тему. Тему в которой, и по сей день, многие люди такие «тёмные»
Бабушка на вокзале- это надежда и лучик света! Прям, разрыдалась.
Lliyirna
Lliyirna
29 Dec 2022, 18:41 #
Да, ситуация ужасает. Но всем ужасающимся про ЭТУ страну и "как ничего не поменялось", предлагаю почитать про АБСОЛЮТНОЕ ЗЛО - как менеджеры Байера из "цивилизованной страны" СОЗНАТЕЛЬНО отправили инфицированные препараты в страны третьего мира, заразив тысячи. Нет, никто не сел.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/
lerafilm
lerafilm
09 Jan 2023, 19:57 #
And what has changed something? There is no freedom of speech, everything is bought and seized, the police are not for the people, missiles are more important than disposable syringes
Stilzchen
Stilzchen
30 Dec 2022, 14:52 #
Хороший сериал, сильный. Сложная тема, интересный сценарий, проблемы серьезные поднимаются, отличная операторская работа. Радует то, что у нас выпускают такие хорошие вещи.
vkotelnikova
vkotelnikova
03 Jan 2023, 22:21 #
Сериал на очень актульную тему для нашей страны,показана человеческая сущность во всей красе,очень понравился актерский состав
Алёнка2112
Алёнка2112
PRO
19 Jan 2023, 13:38 #
Невероятный сериал! Просто не описать те эмоции, которые остались после просмотра. Действительно заставляет задуматься.
Olechka21
Olechka21
20 Jan 2023, 21:43 #
Что за мода в русских сериалах неразборчиво говорить и делать громкость музыки выше во время диалогов,чтоб ничего не слышно было?
В остальном сериал класс👍
Eowyn
Eowyn
24 Jan 2023, 16:38 #
Сериал прекрасный и в то же время ужасный(( Я рыдала. Дети ❤️😔
vgustin
vgustin
29 Jan 2023, 00:21 #
Сериал — огонь, как уже все написали. Но мне вот непонятно 1) что в итоге с теми, кто заразился от переводчика из Таиланда (а там их ни много ни мало 25 человек вроде бы было, с кем он спал по крайней мере)? их вроде как искали, брали кровь, а потом забили на эту линию совсем? 2) что с Караханом? на протяжении всего сериала нам намекали, что у него тоже что-то со здоровьем, но в конце тоже забили. 3) ну и открытый финал в отношениях Дмитрия и Алены как-то не удовлетворил, интересно, она разочаровалась в том, что он не сказал правду и ушла от него, или семье и ребенку все-таки быть?)
Nenversk
Nenversk
07 Feb 2023, 22:36 #
Вообще не люблю русское кино и сериалы. Этот посмотрела из-за очень хвалебных рекомендаций от коллег. Знаете зашло, хорошее повествования, важная тема. Понравилось, даже всплакнула пару раз.
ОльгаВоробей
ОльгаВоробей
04 Mar 2023, 12:22 #
Начало сериала достоверно отражает хронику событий процесса перестройки постсоветского пространства. Очень красочно показан механизм сокрытия и отрицания проблем, связанных с распространением эпидемии СПИДа. Очень хорошая игра актёров и приличная режиссура захватывают и держат в напряжении, фильм смотрится на одном дыхании.
sothimtoyo
sothimtoyo
17 Mar 2023, 19:21 #
совершенно невероятный сериал. картинка, персонажи, диалоги, ситуации и главное – проблема, как никогда актуальны и важны для огласки. рассказывать о подобном просто необходимо!

и больше всего в этой истории жаль людей, напрямую ставших жертвами ВИЧ. непонятно совсем, какими силами нужно обладать, чтобы продолжать жить дальше. люди-герои. а те, кто так и не понес наказание, надеюсь поймут все муки и боль, которую прошли больные, их близкие и неравнодушные люди!

10/10
Berezhnova91
Berezhnova91
30 Apr 2023, 17:53 #
Захватывает с 1 серии
kaktus143
kaktus143
PRO
31 May 2023, 07:28 #
Сериал, конечно, очень крутой. Обязательно его пересмотрю.

Финал, конечно, такой истории очень грустный, ничего не скажешь...
viziterka
viziterka
12 Jun 2023, 20:01 #
Крутой сериал, но самый конец подвел.
Как-то не понятно желание навязать теорию с иммуноглобулином.
1. Гиляна не могла заразить мужа - после рождения ребенка у них не было секса.
2. Нам несколько серий показали как кололи детей из одного шприца меняя иглы. Это кстати факт из реальности. Так делали в этой больнице.
3. Откуда дети в Ростове заразились - ответ в самом сериале нам дали, девочка со сломанной ногой после ночи в больнице, где ее заразили, поехала с дедушкой в Ростов. Да и в реальности множество детей из Элисты поехали лечится в смежные регионы и после этого там появились новые случаи вич.
Зачем так раздули эту конспирологию не ясно. Халатность медсестер этой больницы была на лицо и в сериале и в реальности
id88276387
id88276387
PRO
16 Jun 2023, 13:24 #
Один из лучших сериалов, что я посмотрела за последнее время. И актёры играют так, что кому-то ты искренне сопереживаешь, а кого-то люто ненавидишь.
Сцены с разъярённой толпой - очень страшно, когда выстрелили в автобус... Вот чего эти мужики хотели добиться? Если бы они добрались до детей, ну неужели они бы их убили? Просто варвары. Абсолютно заслуженно Клим оказался болен, вот как бы ужасно это не звучало, но так ему и надо.
Момент, когда бабушка угостила детей пирожками, такой трогательный, у меня, слезы полились. Вроде ничего такого, но когда все вокруг от тебя шарахаются, такие маленькие добрые дела просто до глубины души пробирают.
Очень жалко Гиляну, столько всего на неё свалилось, просто в момент человек потерял абсолютно всё. Ребёнка, мужа, работу, подругу, ещё и больна неизлечимой болезнью. Как всё это её не сломило, это удивительно просто.
Iridescent19
Iridescent19
21 Jun 2023, 00:18 #
Какой же ужас момент с атакой больницы 😭😭😭 Эти выродки, которые готовы были растерзать ни в чём не виноватых детей 💔
Julia_tarasova
Julia_tarasova
27 Jul 2023, 00:03 #
Не ожидала ничего от сериала, а получила просто бурю эмоций, каждая серия в напряжении. Действительно сняли очень хороший сериал на супер важную тему, спасибо за это всем, кто причастен к этому 🙏
belcha
belcha
27 Jul 2023, 09:01 #
Весь сериал хотелось, чтобы кто-то обнял Кирсана и сказал какой он порядочный человек!! Как он ценит правду и не жалеет себя ради благой цели.

Мне было больно от выступления Гончарова. Всё свалили на медперсонал Элисты, а виноват может быть иммуноглобулин. Как персоналу дальше жить и работать, думая что они убийцы?

Жаль дети оказались оторваны от своих родителей, как сироты.

Для меня самая сильная сцена, когда отец девочки топором махал, думала зарубил парня на глазах у семьи. И какое лицо у него было, когда ему сообщили, что парень не при чем. А уж как прописали: так, что б мы решили, что она беременна.
belcha
belcha
27 Jul 2023, 09:03 #
Понравился Горбачёв, его отношение к людям
sad_targaryen
sad_targaryen
PRO
04 Aug 2023, 21:01 #
Как-то Горбачёву совсем не повезло: Чернобыль, эпидемия вич, авария с поездами, распад СССР….. прекрасный сериал. Очень долго откладывала просмотр. На некоторых моментах не могла сдержать слёзы. Тема актуальна как никогда, даже сейчас многие люди ничего не знают об этой болезни, даже наша верхушка толком ничего не знает и замалчивает, так что столько лет прошло, а ничего не меняется, к сожалению.
My_name_is
My_name_is
02 Dec 2023, 04:35 #
В любом случае как общество мы проходим путь дестигматизации ВИЧ. Можно сдать анализы, узнать течение болезни и принимать препараты для поддержания стабильного состояния. Люди с диагнозом понимают, что ВИЧ - это не приговор и можно радоваться тому, что просто живешь, создавать семьи и рожать абсолютно здоровых детей.
itsdasha_shu
itsdasha_shu
15 May 05:45 #
@My_name_is: Well, not everything is as rosy as you describe. HIV therapy costs a lot of money, and medications cause great damage to the liver, pancreas, and so on. Yes, fortunately, there is at least such treatment and the opportunity to start a family.
dasha056
dasha056
24 Aug 2023, 22:13 #
Класс
BellaAlive
BellaAlive
PRO
26 Oct 2023, 17:35 #
Умеют иногда удивить русские сериалы🎉
Smit_Bir
Smit_Bir
12 Nov 2023, 07:54 #
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My_name_is
My_name_is
02 Dec 2023, 04:27 #
Пронзительный сериал. Есть какие-то нюансы и недочеты в плане сценария и врачебной практики, но он же и не об этом. Кино про людей и для людей. Как важно оставаться человеком на примере Кирсана, молодая перспективная Россия, которая хочет быть правой до конца, но выбирает логически правильный путь на примере Дмитрия, чиновники и представители власти, которые до смерти боятся всеобщего осуждения; светлый путь Алены, которая прошла путь от «все вижу, но мне все равно» до бескорыстной помощи детям; Гиляна, которая несмотря на все трудности в жизни, все равно встает каждое утро с кровати и идет к своим подопечным - тот момент, когда Учитель - это призвание. Бабушка на вокзале, которая по логике должна бы отмахнуться, уйти с вокзала, покупает детям пирожки - светлый человек, дает надежду на то, что можно помогать, бескорыстно дарить радость. Каждый персонаж - про то, каким ты можешь стать, если придет беда.
DryRedWine
DryRedWine
14 Jan 2024, 01:08 #
тяжелая и трагическая история, которая затронула многие судьбы: важно, что этот сериал поднял такую серьезную тему для нашего общества
nastikovalenko
nastikovalenko
07 Feb 2024, 14:24 #
Сериал просто восторг! У меня крайне редко после просмотра бывает желание пересмотреть все с самого начала, но это именно тот случай. Понравилось все начиная от сюжета, заканчивая актерским составом, вот просто идеально! Конечно, как это обычно и бывает, концовки многих сюжетных линий показались открытыми, незаконченными, но и это не мешает оценить этот сериал в 100 из 10, нереально круто! Сериал на века! Обязательно пересмотрю снова.
id_LoLenka
id_LoLenka
03 Mar 2024, 11:51 #
То, о чем надо говорить! Отличный сериал
Принцес_са
Принцес_са
PRO
28 Apr 2024, 00:44 #
At the moment with my grandmother, I shed tears 😢
Very touching
dobrik_lena
dobrik_lena
09 Jun 2024, 22:43 #
How can HIV be transmitted from a child to a mother? What nonsense....
NastyaOM
NastyaOM
10 Jun 2024, 18:23 #
@dobrik_lena: read the articles online. If the mother has HIV, it is quite possible to infect the child
chaysonn
chaysonn
22 Jun 2024, 21:16 #
A great series
vitodin
vitodin
26 Jul 2024, 23:50 #
It's a great series, I watched it almost in one breath. The questions are only about the acting of Gilana and Goncharov the elder. Against their background, even hospital syringes played better...

Well, the KGB-shnik Shipov cannot be described in words, the main decoration of this series
Хосок13
Хосок13
05 Dec 2024, 12:30 #
a good series, raises an important topic
dayana1313
dayana1313
PRO
26 Jan 12:34 #
It's just incredible, the epidemic is still happening, Russia is in the top five countries in terms of the spread of HIV infection, if not in the first place. SO FAR, no sufficiently effective methods have been adopted to combat the spread.
The main problem is lack of awareness, because people think it's all homosexuals and equate spreading information about HIV with propaganda, God, what's wrong with people!
HIV is diagnosed in homosexuals is less than two percent, all the rest is sex between a man and a woman, heterosexual!!! And drug addicts.
Thank you for making a series about this and thank you to the people and foundations who inform and help the population.
Sol13
Sol13
10 Mar 17:20 #
It got harder to watch from episode to episode, the ending was so heartbreaking, what kind of scum do you have to be to throw stones at children and then shoot at a bus💔

It's a difficult, but important and necessary story that everyone who cares should watch.

It's a great series, I watched it in just a few evenings and it's a pity that I didn't find out about it earlier.

The only question I have left is, what about the blonde nurse? She ran away or was punished for what she was doing, of course I would like to see it.

Thanks to all the creators and actors of the series, it was wonderful.
itsdasha_shu
itsdasha_shu
15 May 05:53 #
@Sol13: Judging by Kirsan's interview at the end and the information summary, no one was held accountable.

From Wikipedia:
>the official fault of the medical staff has not been established
Sol13
Sol13
15 May 10:31 #
@itsdasha_shu: it is sad..
id631255754
id631255754
01 May 13:12 #
It wasn't really like that, the series was shot purely to defame the USSR. In reality, HIV, AIDS, originated and spread from drug addicts and faggots from the USA, by the way, they do not deny this.
Anna_Stolz
Anna_Stolz
09 Sep 02:09 #
Kuplinov played Klim well. 10 out of 10
Ambitioysu
Ambitioysu
30 Sep 23:25 #
Every episode was suspenseful. How many tears there were at the tragic moments, and the finale is generally above praise.
And the scene with the hospital, and when Klim shot at the bus... Everything is tense.

The ending turned out to be interesting. And the way Dmitry tried to make a decision on how to do the right thing/better is beautifully shown.
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