s01e09 — Look for the Light

@Nomber: considering that he wrote this back in January, at that time this fact was not so well known. But the reaction, of course... yeah. But people didn't like that the comment was written in advance, so they decided to merge it.

@Nomber: whoever puts a minus here will lose their luck for life)) aahahhahah, guys, the dude wrote a fact that was not known to everyone, so it's clear that they do almost strictly according to the sequel, I myself went through this game a bunch of times, but this is not a reason to minus the poor user who wrote this for those who did not play the game. I have a suspicion that out of all 62 minuses, only 10 played the original, and the rest were minuses for you ****a, and if mom's film critics gathered on myshows who think that their minus means something, then you should call yourself a hospital

@Sky-Man: Local aborigines don't like comments before the series is released.

Z.Y. I don't care if anything :) I scroll through them.

@Ctixia: they don't like proshniki, only proshniki can write in advance, it hurts them.

@Mart1z: there are also different proshniki, it's not worth generalizing.

@dinavredina: дождались 🦒

@whitemoon1309: I thought it was graphics, but in this scene there was a real live giraffe 🤗

@Orsha111: Seriously?! I was sure it was graphics 🫢

@whitemoon1309: yes. They filmed this scene in the zoo)) in the video about the filming of the ninth episode showed.

@Orsha111: fire! this giraffe is now a celebrity, got into a very cool TV series))

@orsha111 Where can I watch these videos? About filming

@Martian: на ютубе, напишите в поиск "inside the episode the last of us"

@whitemoon1309: the giraffe is just such a cutie turned out

@okaycurly: they're all cuties in this scene 😍☺️

@whitemoon1309: I agree, there are not many cuties :D

There is a real zoo in Salt where you can also feed a giraffe. I fed :)

I also thought that the graphics)) But the movie about the movie put everything in place. And they explained that the live giraffe was then subjected to computer processing.

About shooting the entire series, not one episode))

All right

I also immediately wanted to remember the Arcane 😃

@Merlin_Who: Does LoL have a plot? only ent is that, so you can safely not consider it a film adaptation

@fdxcd: in general, there's a bad plot for the game was revealed, who knows who is playing. the same arches of trash / viego and so on were beaten a hundred times in cinematics and trailers.

@demetrij: Yes, this rating is fairer than on myshows)

@myromance7: why is the rating of Game of Thrones - 4.66, Some of us - 4.62 and the World of the Wild West - 4.27 less fair than on IMDb?

@demetrij: ///if you look at the rating///

When you posted the rating, they hadn't even shown the final episode yet. A little early. The rating will need to be looked at a few months later. This will cut off the cheating, advertising, and agitation of the first views. Still business.

@TatianaBlunt: Nice to hear, only glad)

@TatianaBlunt: we should not forget that the sole proprietor has created a trend for similar series on streaming platforms. And in terms of saturation, especially plot twists, the IP was a breakthrough among others.

@TatianaBlunt: do not forget that the number of people on Earth is increasing at a tremendous rate and in general it turns out to be quite pointless to follow the viewing records.

@vmonstaa: better call Saul

@Arafat1: I plan to stream. Presented with a pre-order

@reqmind: My comment is more likely to be understood by those who have played the game. By and large, there are no complaints about the film adaptation, everyone plays perfectly, plus the ENT was supplemented

@reqmind: so there are three crippled mushrooms. There are so many armed people around, they could have cleaned up the cities long ago and lived as before. Only few people want to work and there are more willing to pillage and kill.
Even at the end, Marlin made a strange argument. Like the world sucks, the girl will die anyway, because either mushrooms will be torn to pieces, or bandits. That's the question: what's the point of a vaccine? It won't change anything dramatically. Just remove one of the hundreds of ways to die.

@melman: in my opinion, only actors drag the series... But in this series, it was kind of stuffy in places.

@ppcpc10: /// so there are mushrooms - three cripples///

If you look at the dynamics. How many people live there on the continent now? 501 million people. There is a place for the rabid mushrooms to multiply. Twenty years later - dramatically fewer people, which means fewer potential carriers for rabid mushrooms.

/// could have cleaned up the cities long ago///

Yes. It is quite possible, if you have the strength, to fence off some peninsula and carefully weed it. ;-)

///more willing to loot and kill///

Full outlaw. But when people make states, Viking campaigns will cease to be profitable.

/// at the end of Marlin///

However, Marlin went to her death for the sake of her idea. Instead of saying, "You see, the situation is heating up. Switch the hands to another day." (c)

/// the world sucks///

I once read a novel on this subject, written by a serious person. He was making this up there. For example. All the doors in the rooms are on automatic latches. With rotating handles. If one of the family members went crazy in a dream at night. He won't kill the others. He doesn't know how to open the door.

///Just remove one of the hundreds of ways to die///

And that's bread. For Cicadas, this is a huge lever of power. Exclusive vaccination will be sold for a lot.

For an ordinary person. At least a mad mushroom doesn't cough on you. You can't breathe in spores. All these scratches, bites, at least for this reason, will not be fatal. They say in Australia, all nature wants to kill you. Each spider needs its own serum, and it is perishable. That's why there is a "Spider ambulance". You were bitten while you were conscious on the phone, and now a helicopter / light-engine plane with an injection is already flying to you. Such are the rules of survival.

And in this film universe what? Amputation of limbs?

@Citokos: What kind of novel?

@falone: ///what kind of novel?///

The novel "Night Shift", and its sequel.

The author of the Bergdocke Nikolai is an adult, St. Petersburg, and even a doctor. He's so mean. A writer differs from a non-writer in that a writer knows how to lie well. Dok can. He'll do it. After reading the hunt to go and kill someone.

http://samlib.ru/n/nikolaj_b_d/

As well:
The novel "Cheeky mining" and its further sequels. The same is great. About that war.
The novel "Lech". To be honest, I couldn't finish reading. "They wet us, they wet us." (c) :-(
The novel "Pate", the continuation of "Lehi" went better. 500 years have passed since the events. Probably because of this.

I like all his works. It is necessary to buy on paper. And for "furniture" and the author, I hope to support.

@falone: ///A latch and some kind of lock clicks. The door slowly opens, the eye is visible. Satisfied with the inspection, the owner of the eye opens the door properly, and we see the second eye, her face, figure and four cubs in a small closet. Linen was evidently stored here. Castellanskaya, or what?

"Krasa Erastovna Bezschastnova, cook. And this is Senya, Lika, Allochka and Arevik."

The fact that the cook is visible. A real cinematic stamp - full, kind, cozy and lively. The children, oddly enough, look at us calmly enough, if they were crying, they had already calmed down and they had someone to wipe their snot.

"Papa Arevik should be down there. He first tried to break in here, wanted to take out the door to pick up his daughter, but I managed to convince him not to do it. I asked him to better clear the way to the exit and... and be treated so that my daughter would not get infected."

"We'll go. We'll see. You'll lock up for now."

We go down. Andrey and Nikolayevich are examining the tracks. It turns out that this Caucasian first tried to break down the door, fighting off the invading undead, and then simply dragged the biting cubs - and possibly adults - and shoved them into empty rooms. It is clear that his hands were gnawed hard, but he really cleared the way for his daughter. The man is strong, I respect him. And as a sign of respect, I will drag the corpse around the corner - so that Dad will still be alive for his daughter. Andrey helps, as the deceased weighs a hundredweight. Well, that's all we can do. And of course to help my daughter. (Dok)///

@ppcpc10: it's really so amazing to me the whole series that in the face of such danger, people don't unite, but on the contrary, they live more separately. Someone with a Christmas tree and electricity, someone wandering and begging, someone trying to rob gays, instead of building a similar house in a neighboring city.. It's amazing..

@ismagiloff: they do not decompose, but move on to the next stages (first they run fast, then clickers, then bloaters)

Devalued just the work of hundreds of people in a second, sitting on the couch))

@Poisonishes: so it's time to start reviewing, on Mondays :D

@iron_ri: 4 deleted comments and one stuck in the spoiler... Could a person REALLY be SO triggered by the location of Russian speakers in the states? :"D

I would do the same as him, protecting what is expensive. I like how he fucks everyone right and left, but I would like to see at least a small, but dilemma, where he is to save Ellie or the world, and this did not happen, so I wrote that it was off the scale.

he just has no time to sit and think about what to do, who to leave and save, he is a military man, decisions need to be made quickly and in cold blood, so they are still alive

@iron_ri: it seems to me that the dilemma was while he was being taken out of the hospital, and on the stairs he had already made a final decision.

@iron_ri: In the game, there were notes on the hospital that there had already been experiments with immune systems and nothing worked, but here Joel kind of made it up. In the series, it didn't work out very well with the ending.

Nene, he immediately said in the ward that he just had a choice, and it became clear what he would do next

@plnndr: he's not a military man

@holmeslover: The notes were in the second part of the game. They haven't gotten to her yet in the series.

@vk775121: /// the probability of its successful distribution///

I would add. Distribution for an adequate price!

Anyone can be charged for vaccination in our world.

No, the experiments were with ordinary people, not immune ones. There are no other immune systems.

@ValeriiaBielaia: Nobody knows if they were or not. Ellie is just the first one to be found. The fireflies did not check all the survivors. This issue has been discussed for a long time and most have come to the conclusion that the vaccine is meaningless.

@K2isOn: To be fair, Joel didn't ask Ellie what she would have done either. Moreover, he lied to her. Isn't that selfish? Well, according to the last dialogue, it is obvious that Ellie would not have refused the operation, given that all her loved ones died directly from the infected.

But I don't condemn Joel's act. Obviously, these fanatics would not have been able to make any vaccine, but would have simply ruined, most likely, the only person with immunity.

But he did it from the position of a parent - I'm not saying that it's the right thing to do, and that it's completely selfless, but in some ways logical? Yes, let's say she would have agreed - but then again, she is a child who has seen only one value in herself all her life - that she is immune and theoretically could help save the world (which is actually not the case). Joel, even putting aside his fear of losing her, immediately realized what would happen when Marlene said that their first decision was to open her head and kill her, rather than conduct tests, take the materials out of their hands to begin with, try to do at least something, but leave the only person available to them at that time with immunity. alive. Yes, perhaps he showed selfishness afterward by deliberately lying to her, although I understand him here, but at the moment when it was necessary to save her, it seems to me that he still acted in her best interests in the first place (at least, it seemed so to him).

@K2isOn: /// which lasts a lifetime///

Allow me, allow me.

Not all my life. And sometime after the incident at the Mall. Or even when she was bitten a second time. The second time, it definitely means it wasn't an accident.

Don't find fault with the words - all her conscious life, after the connection with the fireflies, it's not important - it's important how she felt at the moment when she could potentially be asked if she was ready to sacrifice herself for this

@K2isOn: and if the fate of your child depended on this vaccine, I think the comment would be completely different.

@K2isOn: Will Ellie refuse? Then a huge fat spoiler.

This is the main conflict between them in the second part. Ellie wouldn't mind. Not only would she not refuse, she believed that this was the meaning of her life. She says it directly to Joel afterwards. And that's why she's going to be so mad at him for a long time. Half of the drama of the second part is based on this and on the stick.

This is exactly what I wrote in the following comments, that she saw her value only in immunity. But that's not even the question - is it as unethical as possible to ask a 14-year-old child if he is ready to die for the whole world? She should not have faced such a choice, and Joel understood this (while I do not deny his selfish motives (which I support)). He is wrong that he lied to her at the end, but I support him in his act. And in general, do you understand that this is an endless dilemma, and here no one will be right or wrong, because it's all just hypothetical?

@K2isOn: It's not ethical to decide something for another person. They have an apocalypse, she relatively recently killed a man with her own hands, making minced meat out of him, 14-year-olds are not quite 14-year-olds anymore. Marlene decided for Ellie that she couldn't talk. Joel decided for Ellie that she needed to live. Despite the fact that in the scene with the giraffe, the key one in the series (not because of the giraffe), Ellie says that she wants everything to be for good reason, so that all the deaths and losses during their journey (and her life, i.e. it's about Riley) have some meaning. Literally voicing his desire to be useful to this world, at least to try.
And as a result, this meaning is taken away from her by other people. And who is doing this - Joel, and why is he doing this - so that there is at least some meaning in his life, because he has been "dead" inside for 20 years, and Ellie is his lifeline.
You can discuss as much as you like about whether the lives of millions (hundreds of thousands, thousands, etc.) are worth another ONE life. The only thing that matters is that it's not for us (and not for Joel) it's up to you to decide, it should be decided by the one who should/can give this life. She (Ellie) has the right to control her life.

In general, the main disadvantage of the series is that it does not show the main thing - that Joel is not a hero. In the 20 years since Sarah's death, he has killed heaps of people, lured people into traps and robbed, tortured people together with his brother. Yes, we are shown this in fragments or through dialogues. But the difference with the game is very noticeable in the fact that the gameplay is skipped here. Because unlike the game where we crushed skulls with Joel's hands, shot people, here we only observe, despite the fact that part of the murders and his cruelty simply does not get into the frame (why? the rating allowed). Joel is not a hero, he is an egoist and an anti-hero killer, Ellie makes him better, in fact from a villain (his life before meeting her and the atrocities described above).
That's why the last episode can be perceived as something right (to kill a bunch of people, even an unarmed doctor, whose job is to try to save everyone), just for his own sake. Although in fact, this choice of his, although understandable, cannot be called heroic.

Perhaps I will snatch out the minuses, but I tried to describe my position in detail, and not just to heighten.

@Tonybofthedead: I understand your point of view about Joel, but I completely disagree with your attempt to divide the world into black and white, and the characters into good and bad. Joel is both a hero and a murderer, but not just a "villain", since like all the other characters, none of them are 100% positive or negative, in the context of this universe, they are all trying to survive in the first place, and you are trying to make a two-dimensional character out of him.
And I've never said anywhere that he's a hero or his choice is "heroic", he's just logical and understandable.

// And as a result, this meaning is taken away from her by other people. And who is doing this - Joel// - first of all, it was Marlene and the Fireflies who did it, who would not have given Joel the opportunity to wake up Ellie and let her make her choice, and you say as if this whole situation is solely his fault, and only he took away Ellie's choice. In his head, he had the hope that there was at least some chance that Ellie would have given up on self-sacrifice, which meant that at that moment she needed to be saved. The fact that he lied to her afterwards is another matter.

@K2isOn: I only disagreed with you about the ethics of depriving Ellie of subjectivity. And about the "hero" this is not a reproach in your direction) it's more like a stone in the garden of the creators. I don't want the characters to be black and white, on the contrary, a good character has many facets. Unfortunately, I can't say that about serial Joel.
It just seems to me that they didn't dramatize the finale."........... Put the squeeze on it. You're right, Marlin and the Fireflies didn't ask anyone either, and besides, Marlin, in a conversation with Joel, also expressed doubt about the success of this approach in finding a cure, even though there was a chance. Thus, Joel's decision seems to be much easier to accept, and this completely breaks the drama.

Let's imagine: Joel and Ellie are also stunned with a grenade. Then they wake up in the hospital, talk to Marlene, and everyone is glad they got there. Then Marlin tells Ellie that she needs to do some tests, and Ellie volunteers to go to the operating room (indicating her desire to help this world). At first, Joel is glad that they are safe, but then he wonders why he went straight to the operating room. Then it turns out that Marlin did not tell the whole truth, and in order to get the vaccine, Ellie needs to be killed on the operating table (when Marlin says this, there is no hint of doubt in the text. ala "I think", "it should help", etc.). And then the events as in the series, with the guard, deaths and so on.
In this case, the conflict is much more acute, although under similar conditions: yes, Ellie did not know everything, but she went voluntarily, Joel was given no reason to doubt, he acts only because of his feelings, Marlene is even more insidious, because she verbally deceived Ellie. And all the decisions taken were perceived a little differently.

It's the same thing. Just in the game cicadas, in the series decided to translate

@punisherisme: why would cicadas/fireflies even conduct such experiments if Marlin only found out about Ellie's immunity in the first episode, after Ellie's capture? The fact that the girl was given to Marlin immediately after birth does not give reason to think about immunity and experiments with pregnant women.

@punisherisme: ///This is nonsense///

Who knows how it could have turned out in that bloody mess. If at the beginning of the series they said that their own cities were bombed!!!

We need an immune one.
You need to know that he's immune. Instead of killing him right away, it's as humane as if he were infected.
We need a qualified doctor with the appropriate equipment.

Maybe there used to be teams working to create a vaccine. Yes, they're all gone :-(

@Ketren: So that's the point of what they're telling him.: "Well, our doctor thinks that's so-and-so." There is no certainty that this will work, just an ordinary murder for the chance that the doctor will be right. Such an argument, as for me, in favor of the fact that you need to give your life for this.
And the fact that Joel killed everyone there, it looks very logical and correct, if you put aside the fact that it's cruel. You leave these people alive, and they'll never stop hunting you down to fulfill their vaccine plan.

@Ketren: Oh, what an emotional ending could have been made if Joel had made a difficult decision. Especially if he had known in advance what was in store for Ellie. Then the conversation about the fact that he would teach her to play the guitar later and that they would go wherever he wanted would take on a very gloomy tone.

But I'm a fan of dramatic endings, and for most normal people, I think the real ending is closer to my heart. Although it's still far from a happy ending: the world was not saved, a lot of people died in vain.

@jfax: This is not a happy ending at all, especially considering the events of the second part of the game. And besides, according to all the canons of the logic of the zombie apocalypse, they had to synthesize a vaccine and save everyone, Ellie is a heroine, a happy ending in a global sense, but no, there is a more vital path here.

@okaycurly: Well, I'm sorry, in the zombie apocalypse, at least two hundred lives can be given for the "chance" to get the vaccine. What kind of nonsense is this

@Crystal_Witch: so people don't want to live in a zombie apocalypse or what?)

And what's in the second part?

@marinaap: ///synthesize a vaccine and save everyone///

No, no, no. And get a control lever. Choosing who you can save!

@Ketren: ///it's not so cavalier to kill honey.staff///

We must finish them off. (c)

The survivor will inform the Center. The Center will redeploy the available resources. And now they're looking for you again.

/// there is a chance to save the entire civilization///

In our world of pure fiction, everything can turn out very differently. Maybe not all of it. Or maybe it won't. There's talk about raising people for spare organs. And of course they will come up with their own religion and concepts.

How long had Joel been out? I mean, they somehow quickly dragged Ellie to the cutting table.

@okaycurly: they want to, so 200 souls for the vaccine will go, and irl Joel bullet in the forehead to let them not interfere.

@Ketren: The pandemic, having made everyone professional virologists, has taught that making a successful vaccine is a matter of a huge number of people and efforts, and even if you do everything according to well-known rules, something really good does not always come out. And this is in an environment where this was done in several countries at the same time, with access to research from all over the world, with the work of the scientific community, with good funding and the latest technologies. What could they do on the knee in this dilapidated hospital? Joel says at the beginning that they've already heard enough assurances in their entire lives about "finding a cure", he never really believed in it. Here, the pathos of Joel's selfish decision is greatly reduced by the fact that there is really very little faith in the success of this event.

It's in the game that we find out that this is just a possibility and that no one is sure for sure that there were similar experiments and that the only reason for the operation is that there were no people like Ellie with full immunity (on the other hand, then why kill her right away, but about the doctor and his methods, we we will only find out the second part). In the game, Marlin generally deceives Joel and says that Ellie is aware and she agrees to this, and generally tells Joel strange things that make him doubt this story. There is nothing of this in the series, actually for this reason it is absolutely normal to talk about a different motivation. There's no gray morality at all like in the game, it's somewhere behind the scenes and it's disappointing.

@ashviki: The events in this series will be the trigger for further drama

@Citokos: this is if there was a continuation, but if according to the happy ending template, then just save everyone :D

@ashviki: let's just say Joel gets a report for killing a doctor, and Ellie won't be able to put up with it, because before this report, she hadn't talked to him at all for several years due to the fact that she found out the truth about the events of the finale of the first game/first season of the series.

@okaycurly: want to. Therefore, risking oneself to save lives is acceptable.

@Orsha111: It seems to me that it is not so important how old a person actually is, it is important how he looks)

@poompooroom: To me, she looks quite her age here.

@poompooroom: Yes, she looks quite like her 19 years in life.
Plus, in the first season, the aging /rejuvenation of the actors was done perfectly, so if they need to, they have the technical opportunity to make it "more mature".

@nineath: I will only be glad that they will succeed, I just expressed my thoughts and concerns about this)

@DmitriyChumarin: /// why is Ellie immune?///

The scene at the very beginning of S01E09.

Just a minute before Ellie's birth, her mom was bitten by a rabid mushroom. And it is not yet known what happened to the mother's milk. After all, Cicadas / The fireflies arrived a few hours later, already in the dark. :-(

@Citokos:
> it is not known what happened to the mother's milk.

In the episode, the mother said that she had not fed, so the child was hungry and asked to be fed

@sashasushko: /// the mother said that she had not fed, so the child was hungry and asked to be fed///

Well, in such a situation, the mother would not have said such a thing. :-(

For a small group on foot, in hostile terrain, a baby is a mortal danger! Just anyone can die because of him. :-(

Try to persuade me. :-(

@poompooroom: Yes, the nurse.
Ahah, yes, it seems like her facial features are clearly visible with the mask
, and maybe hundreds of hours of watching the same web show with her and Ashley make themselves felt.

@igogoshka: awesome, I'm sorry, I didn't admit it, thanks for the information)

And it's funny that on IMDb there is information about the actress who played Nurse 2, but there is no information about the first one. Maybe it was deliberately hidden so as not to spoil the second season.

@igogoshka: I found it, here she is a beauty)

@igogoshka: hello to the fans of kritrol)

@poompooroom: dadada, the Queen! over your own character stebet

@poompooroom: ahaha, this is such top-notch banter for the second season)

Rand's mom (according to the book) has a sooo difficult fate, she was actually a warrior, a Maiden of the Spear. And since she was not Aiel by birth, she learned everything at the age of 20+, along with little girls.

@Syaopin: I'm finishing reading 1 book. That's where it is, but I definitely didn't expect spoilers from the books.

@lavinati: It's just that her eyebrows grow in a very peculiar way, and her already round face looks, how should I put it mildly, very specific. But she played the role very, very well. I would even say it's wonderful.

@Sich666: Well, I was more excited about the second part than shocked, but maybe because I assumed some possible twists of the game based on the trailers.

@Sich666: spoil the PJ)

@dieluise: Well, this method is not humane at all. Infect a pregnant woman during childbirth. And in fact, the child should have immunity.

@dieluise: Well, how's that.. you unhook the maman from the umbilical cord, put a fungus in the umbilical cord and wait. Anyway, there are a lot of girls out there who aren't exactly happy about their pregnancy and wouldn't mind doing tests on children.

@Lissyona: Well, Ellie and Joel have been wandering for months. What if they never got there? There should always be a backup plan.

@_____mermaid___: Well, yes, I understand that Marlene was close to Ellie's mother. But still, she hadn't thought about her for 14 years. In 14 years, even relatives can become strangers.

@TatianaBlunt: Why didn't you remember? She's been looking out for Ellie all this time. Even Phaedra chose the one she hated, because it was the safest place. For the same reason, I didn't take her to the Fireflies when Riley asked.

@Orsha111: ///She's been looking out for Ellie all this time.///

The chieftainess Marlin, with her work, should have more than one hundred such experiences. Well, there's a coded diary as thick as an encyclopedia. Or better yet, an elephant's memory. He remembers everyone. Short-, medium-, and long-range developments. Like Ilyich, there are 52 volumes of published works.

We'll eat with one, play backgammon with the second, wink at the third, and give the fourth a conditional shovel. The fifth has a corn to step on. We'll tie up the sixth with a tug and a caress. We'll just substitute the seventh one. For the future, we will promote some people, slow down others, and for the third, for our common cause, we do not need to live at all.

///Riley asked///

I can assume that Riley's authority in the organization is not particularly important. So that someone listens to her opinion. Because: a defector who was put in a sealed infected building to stuff bombs with gunpowder made from mouse droppings.

/// I didn't take it///

On the other hand. That's my opinion. Riley's date with Ellie was the Cicada recruitment / Fireflies. It just went wrong because of a tragic accident. Again, later on, for some reason, Ellie ended up in "quarantine" with the Cicadas, and not with PHAEDRA...

@reddit: и скучнее

@Евгения_Зимняя: смотря, что брать во внимание. Первые несколько сезонов просто шикарные, а потом постепенно интерес идёт на спад.

@Blackly: я летом пересмотреть ХМ решила, меня едва на две серии хватило, хотя, в свое время, была в полном восторге🤷

@Евгения_Зимняя: рекомендую комикс) Он прям хорош

@vampironok666: не люблю комиксы😅 Даже мангу давным-давно перестала читать

@Евгения_Зимняя: эх, тогда ладно) Но если вдруг когда-то созреете - рекомендую)) Причём именно чёрно-белый вариант, цветной как-то иначе настроение передаёт, как мне кажется

@vampironok666: я уже слишком стара для созревания🤣

@dieluise: Причём судя по комментариям он чуть ли не каждой серии пишет какой-то отрицательный комментарий к сериалу, как ему не нравится каст и сериал в целом, но продолжает его смотреть)

@poompooroom: Мыши кололись, но продолжали жрать кактус.

@Evgeniya639: принцип ветрянки или кори, переболев ею второй раз не заболееш. Тут почти тоже самое. Грибок в Элли не агрессивный, но из-за него к ней не пристает другой.

@annavill: элли хотела умереть на операционном столе? Че-то я не помню такого. Она хотела помочь своей кровью чтоб из нее возможно лекарство сделали, а не умереть ради этого

@alesenok: если не помните такого, попробуйте вспомнить 2ю игру. То, почему они не ладили в начале.

Она, будучи ребёнком, не могла понимать до конца, чего она «хочет». Даже взрослые люди далеко не все готовы жертвовать жизнью. Да и в сериале она не знала, что ей придётся умереть ради этой миссии

@annavill: вот именно поэтому во всем мире за детей решают их родители или опекуны. А у врачей существует врачебная этика.

@Sqev: было бы очевидно, она не была бы дилеммой)

@Sqev: выбор очевиден при условии, что тебе нейтрален данный человек :)

@Kodval: the choice is obvious for a person who thinks with his head, not with emotions. In such an extreme situation, when the death of your loved one can save thousands of others. What difference does it make that it's your loved one?

@Sqev: Of course, yes.

@g1320950: The difference is that this is your loved one, and a person always values his own above someone else's, except when a person is a saint.😑

@Evgenia_Winter: No, not only when a person is a saint. Far from it.

@HelikaXX: смотрит, как на сбывшуюся мечту, как на вновь обретённый смысл жизни ❤️

@MakeMeCringe: 😯

@AweSerg: я не играла, поэтому не знаю, нарываться не хотела, просто человеческая вера в лучшее и вечное ожидание хэпиэнда)

@poompooroom: меня вообще поразило, сколько людей в комментариях, с радостью отдавших бы своего близкого человека без его согласия в руки мясников. А это не врачи, это коновалы вырощенные без понятия о врачебной этике. Ради просто какой-то тени призрачной надежды на что-то, что может возможно как-то помочь с созданием то-ли вакцины, то-ли лекарства, ведь нормальной исследовательской базы под это все нет. Просто а-ля, давайте достанем её мозг и посмотрим, может там есть ответ. Да, конечно, пожалуйста, возьмите моего близкого и разделайте.

@Anna_Batman: знаем, потому и ждем 😁

@Anna_Batman: не знаем, но хотим узнать!

@Anna_Batman: Я не играл но знаю. И надеюсь что снимут так же дословно. Чтобы выбивало дух у зрителей.

@karaspunk: отлично сказано 🫡

Элли же в силу возраста и характера просто многого не понимает и перенимает ту патовую логику Светлячков, которую ей так хорошо презентовала Марлин. Ей просто хочется, как и Томми, сделать мир лучше этой вакциной и она не осознает множество нюансов.

@xxqleti: тут ещё вопрос стоит пол самой вакциной; даже с учётом того, что создать бы ее удалось, она бы просто стала использоваться как очередной рычаг власти. Только богатым и все в этом духе.

@soyjakeee: да, так бы по итогу и было. Жестокость и нюансы - как раз про это. Про то, что вакцина приравнялась бы к еде, ботинкам, патронам и прочему. Стала бы лишь очередным пунктом в списке того, за что люди готовы были бы убивать. Мир не стал бы лучше, наоборот - насилия лишь прибавилось бы.

И Светлячки вполне могли стать теми, кого это коснулось бы в первую очередь. И то, что сделал Джоэл им показалось бы детским лепетом в сравнении с тем на что люди способны, ради того, чтобы обладать таким элементом власти, как вакцина. Это мишень на лбу.

@LiSa_: Пока про Эбби будем смотреть так как это в игре сделано, то забудем чем там занимается Элли

@Sqev: вообще непонятно - как это всю жизнь я живу с 1,5 м ростом)))

@Sqev: так же как коротышка Том Круз всю жизнь брутальных героев боевиков играл: будут снимать так, чтобы это в глаза не бросалось.

@Sqev: По вашему мнению люди люди с каким ростом могут играть взрослых персонажей?🤣

@g1300706: при чём тут мнение, если между первой и второй игры очень явно видно то, как выросла Элли с 1,5, до 1,7..

@umaryan: геймплей, кстати, в разы интереснее во второй половине игры. Сделала вывод, что Дракман хотел делать игру не про Элли и Джоэля, а про другого персонажа