@SunWish: something else is interesting here: how did such a meticulous head of IT (the current mayor), along with all his IT engineers, miss the infrastructure for video surveillance, starting with network and power cables laid for cameras and ending with the devices themselves? Really, for many decades, none of the bunkers accidentally broke a mirror and called for a "service" to replace it, which would immediately reveal the whole story?
@PapaSmurf: I don't remember which series it was under, @MarkRaffer wrote well about IT. I will not search and quote, but I will tell you my vision. For some reason, people believed in the omnipotence of IT. Young people sincerely believe in this, and when you tell them that without an electric current, everything does not work, they simply do not believe in it.
@VASYA_KUROLESOV: Under episode 10, "@MarkRaffer wrote well about IT." I have just read the comments under the 10th episode, it caught my eye.
I hope @MarkRaffer will forgive me for quoting him without his consent.
"the author has thrown out his very narrow-minded vision of the existence of mankind, plus his target audience is mom's cooltshackers, for whom IT (so that it is not understood by this) is the center of the universe, around which everything revolves. So the author sings the praises of this impersonal and ephemeral IT, completely not understanding the essence."
"But to the dull public from this very IT, for some reason, something like this comes to me, as the one who has been associated with IT since the last millennium - from this I just yell in my voice."
@132132: No, well, I just read all three parts before the series was released, why did I really "burn", they say, what is there to admire at all? But what complaints can I have about the series itself, when the literary source is exactly this? Well, Rebecca is one of the most beloved actresses of the last ten years.
@IMMORTALKING: I've been waiting all these episodes for her to come to the mirror. I thought that after finding the bolt and the dossier in the vent, she would realize that something was wrong with the mirror. But not yet((
On the one hand, it is a pity that the first book was decided to be divided into two seasons, the pace suffers from this, of course On the other hand, they decided to devote more time to revealing the characters (Billings, for example, or the collective image of Juliet's boyfriend), which is good, this was not given much attention in the books
@Saloed: the first one was divided, but they are introducing the second one here. I.e., speaking without spoilers, the last frames are not from the first book.
@ShaMarinka: wasn't there such a scene at the end of the first book? I don't remember exactly anymore In general, it's difficult to discuss anything here without spoilers, to be honest)) But I rather wonder how the screenwriters are going to deal with the events of the second book)
Yes, the pace has dropped significantly. I knew that there was a reason that attention was focused on flowers from the very beginning. What a gorgeous cat Regina has, that's what she feeds this happiness in a bunker.
And I wonder where there are more cats. After all, if there are a lot of them, they should be wandering around the floors (maybe I just didn't notice?), and if there are few, then they would hardly be just pets at rare random houses.
@scarcelyinside: According to the book, there were dogs at the supply. Also according to the book: rats ran around the bunker, so it is quite possible that they still bred cats, but they were not mentioned.
@oniXtacie: so maybe she just found information about the location of the cameras on the hard drive. After all, it was necessary to carry out the infrastructure during construction, which means there could be a diagram on that hard drive. Most likely, she gave a hint to her husband, and the husband just left everything as it is.
In fact, we don't even really know how much information the sheriff's wife pulled from the hard drive.
@Allisoon: There is. But I will not spoiler. They just decided to stretch the book over 2 seasons. At first, everything went so that they would have time to take everything off in one, but then they decided to divide it apparently. The thing is that series 5 and 6 are not based on the book. Well, that is, in episode 5, it is taken from the content that she becomes the Sheriff, the assistant dies, it is planned to spend a day of forgiveness and she meets the "astronomer" in the dining room. It takes a description of all this, well, probably 3 pages. Everything else is made up or altered in its own way. 6 is entirely made up. By the way, the judge was mentioned in the book only once, just to pretend that the judicial system is still there and there was no "faction of lawyers / lawyers" in leather jackets at all. The screenwriters just took the main line and follow it, inventing or remaking what is happening in their own way. Some characters have changed characters and some dialogues with other characters. By the way, the generator was repaired in the book for a week, but this is so, by the way.
@Allisoon: an amazing combination of lack of culture, stupidity and laziness: "I can't and don't want anything, let's chew on me like a chick." Just bravo.
No wonder from the first episode they paid attention to the mirrors, the camera always switched to it. I had a feeling the cameras were there. Something interesting is starting 😌
I'm worried about Juliet now. After all, they told her that they knew everything about her and were watching her. She should have looked at the book where she was given it.
@elenanikolaevna: as a technician, I'm just confused all the time that computers are exactly like that. And the old monitors are slow to work, and the interface is, in fact, still console-based. At the same time, we saw that the screen blinked during a blackout a couple of episodes ago, which means that the picture that broadcasts and replaces reality is constantly being created, and weak computers are not suitable for this.
Let's see who they're going to wake up and whether it's a lawyer, once the son of a janitor.
@Chizhikpyzhik: the power supply for both systems is the same. A frame of the green outside world was visible when the light was cut off. But no one paid attention to this 🤔
@SpAwN_gUy: it seemed to me that the screen switched to the settings in the helmet - as the cleaners see. And people noticed, they are being shown in close-up.
The series doesn't seem to be anything, it sags a little closer to the end, but that's almost all true. It's a pity that the feeling of secondhandness does not leave, as if I've already +/- seen it all, but the visual and scenery are cool.
When the sheriff started flipping through the book, I thought she would come across a picture there, which is displayed in the dining room window at night, with stars. But no.
The pace has dropped a little, but I still like it. The visual, the atmosphere, and Rebecca are beautiful. The book is lying down, but I decided not to start until the end of the season.
Since episode 1, there was a feeling that this was an experiment on people, like ascension, only on a larger scale and everything was confirmed. Now the chief computer scientist will be woken up, who took the chair of the measure, he clearly goes to both worlds
Ferguson bites and/or licks his lips at least once - CANON! For a whole fifty minutes of timekeeping, stupidly not a single corpse is NOT CANON !11!11!¹¹1!!1!¡!! Ahahaha 🌚
And now seriously : To me , this series looks so sluggish . I wouldn't even call fillers fillers here. Just an atmospheric and measured narrative. Anyway, something happens during the series, some questions are half-answered, and in general, it is clear that there is some movement. As an example, now (at the time of writing the comment) another series From is being released in parallel. There is also a kind of global mystery and riddles for less. Only there, in the half of the second season, it seems as if less happened than here, in a couple of episodes. It constantly seems that the screenwriters no longer know under what pretext not to move the plot in place. You immediately watch the episode and somehow something happens. Moreover, here, under the finale of the series, there is also such an intrigue, sho it's for the guys who are going to wake up, sho for the mutations in general, and everything else. I still like the series. Plus, there's a cozy Ferguson :) In general, I'm waiting for the next episode, so far I'm pleasantly impressed with the series.
I barely watched this episode, well, I don't like such a slow plot. No, I do not require constant action, but it is difficult to withstand such a sluggish plot. Only the ending of the series is interesting
It's not even that the dynamics have sunk, but also the narration and staging, as if another series compared to the 1st series, it's still intriguing and interesting to watch, but without a spark at all, people confuse concepts and think that action and corpses are needed, but you can also take out dialogues and intensity, here is also the most boring and boring episode of the season, which could literally be cut in half. I was also amused by how Apple, however, like the rest, simply cannot show 2 white loving people of different sexes at the age of 23 and at the same time not to lower the man even after death, I was even surprised - I think George will really be shown normal, but no, in order to elevate others (women, divers), you need to lower the first (white cismales) now that he was killed, you can shit on him, he allegedly lied, did not love you, used women, and Julie immediately decided to give up everything, the actual soap floated from the screen like bubbles... it comes to such a caricature (as well as the fact that, judging by the number of university characters, the action takes place not in Georgia but in South Africa) that it becomes impossible to take seriously in principle, they just can't resist. But at least the ending and the scene with the book were worth it, I like Rebecca, although sometimes it seems that her expression is too dead, especially when she allowed herself a smile. And I don't mind that this is all 1 big experiment, because even against this background, you can wind up a lot and there is a feeling that these are really external observers, but the lawyers are probably at the same time with them, or at least they are aware. With cameras, I can't believe that in 140 years no one has discovered anything except Holston.
Damn, well, it was mega-obviously, this room with screens. Just like the canon. I hoped that this would not happen after all, they would somehow turn in the other direction. It's just that for now, for me, it's just a poured "Ascension" with minimal plot differences, better quality and with better actors. But I still continue to enjoy each episode and have already started reading the book, I haven't seen such a good series for a long time, I would have been waiting for every episode.
Boring episodes have started, only at the expense of various mysteries and riddles the season lasts. I hope for the finale there will be something more epic in the spirit of the first episodes
I noticed that there are only black people in the lawyers, and I'm thinking, maybe in their universe the dark-skinned have seized power over all of America and are experimenting on whites?well, that's right, my crazy suggestion)
Наверняка не во всех жилищах камеры понатыканы, только вот у таких, приблежённых к властным структурам, чтобы держать их на контроле. А так интрига сейчас лишь в том эксперимент это или и правда на Земле случился швах, поскольку главгада уже показали, да он и не шифруется особо. И с чего "юрикам" такие права дали, что им никто не указ?! Правильно Джулс сказала - Зачем Правила? Написать просто - обращайтесь к судье по любому вопросу!
@Gordey: а вот мне интересно, как сюжет вертеть будут, так как в книге (первой) вообще другие взаимоотношения между героями. Помощник шерифа от Джулс просто кипятком писался, никакой неприязни не было (и не понятно, зачем ее было вводить, так как персонажа сразу убивают), а юридического вообще не было (точнее был, но о нем буквально одно предложение, что такой есть среди этажей). Либо авторы вводят в заблуждение, чтоб как раз скрыть главного "главгада" и сделать сюрприз в конце сезона, либо переиграли вообще весь сюжет.
@bucket_man: она достала винт для Джорджа, поэтому и знала. Купила у кого-то, так история которую Джордж рассказывает в первой серии видимо вранье. Короче дело пока выглядит так: Джордж с помощью разных женщин (Реджины, жены шерифа) доставал и исследовал реликвии. Потом он нашел ход под бункером на планах и поэтому ушел вниз (бросив Реджину). Потом "уборщики" вычислили Реджину и она сдала продавцов реликвий и Джорджа. Юристы по наводке "уборщиков" обыскали квартиру Джорджа, но ничего не нашли - все хранилось ниже. Потом что-то случилось и "уборщики" скинули Джорджа с высоты, зачем-то. А может и не уборщики. Но у юристов остался список реликвий, про которые Реджина им рассказала, поэтому эта упаковка из под конфет (или что это такое, я тоже кстати не в курсе) была в деле как принадлежавшая Джорджу (хотя и не была обнаружена при обыске).
Я вижу тут некоторую натяжку в том, что Кеннеди согласился сдать именно Реджину, это объясняется почему так, но слишком уж тут шерифу повезло.
Yes, it's a candy wrapper, I had some when I was a kid. As for Kennedy, it probably came together that Regina didn't collect everything for profit, and she's the only one in the whole bunker. It's easy to turn her in without fear of revenge, and she was the one who got George's things. Yes, I was lucky, but everything is logical)
Did anyone else notice the photo of the mechanic woman who taught Jules? Was she there with the judge, or just a similar woman? I remember when the mayor visited her in the first episodes, she said that she was sorry that her marriage with her wife had not worked out. So now I don't understand if her ex-wife is the judge or if I don't know how to tell people apart.
Зачем вообще кто-то покупает реликвии, если в большинстве своем это бесполезная ерунда (а даже если полезная — то люди не знают как она работает)? То есть люди ни применить это никак не могут, ни другим показать, да еще и рискуют за это на рудники отправиться. Кто эти люди, которые тратят свои тяжело заработанные деньги на ненужную опасную вещь? И это ведь не единичные случаи — у них там целый подпольный рынок продавцов-покупателей. И это все на десять тысяч народу, половина из которых на тяжелых работах и скорее всего без лишних денег, часть — дети, часть — юристы-полицейские, часть (большая) — верят в историю бункера, не нарушают закон и не интересуются запрещенным. И как вообще всю эту деятельность можно скрыть, если, оказывается, там везде камеры? (включить воду или вентилятор во время секретного разговора — ну это ж совсем несерьезно).
А почему вы думаете что у них лишних денег нет? Они же живут в замкнутом пространстве, на что им деньги тратить кроме еды? Плюс я вообще не помню, чтоб у них там были деньги. Едят они в столовой, квартиры им сразу выдают со всем декором под должность и количество людей, вещи мертвых они бесплатно сдают, значит наверное раздают их тоже бесплатно. Так что они скорее всего просто обмениваются этими реликвиями
@_____mermaid___: когда в кафе делали ставки протрет-не протрет камеру - бросали на стол квадратные медные жетоны, я решила, что это деньги. И предполагаю, что они все же покупают еду/услуги, все же никто пока не придумал более эффективного средства обмена, чем деньги. А даже если все по бартеру - это не снимает вопроса зачем им нужна бесполезная и опасная вещь. Для них это не инструмент, не развлечение, не инвестиция, не статусная вещь - ничего, кроме опасности она не несет.
@Willful: Мне кажется Ты просто не с той стороны заходишь к вопросу . Дело ж не в том, какую полезность дают реликвии, а в самих их наличии существования и запретности . Как минимум всё запретное и непознанное манит , так устроен человеческий род . А как максимум они тонну лет чиллят под землёй, конечно из тысяч найдутся единицы, которые захотят докопаться до истины и будут проявлять интерес . Это как люди раскопки проводят дабы найти что-то интересное и возможно понять что-то о прошлом . Или как люди интересовались раньше почему предметы падают на пол и как так происходит (ну, в смысле гравитация) . Или изучения океанов или космоса . Короче о таких вещах. Только у них действительность чуть другая и они не условный космос изучают, а всякое вокруг себя. Вот есть какая-то штука , реликвия, она под запретом . Вау, а что это ? Для чего ? Почему под запретом ? Вот за такие диковинки они и платят местные далары , за них же и рискуют жизнями . А Ты как-то подходишь с практической точки зрения к этому делу )))
@Meloman_Nastena: совсем не тоже самое. Иметь смертельно опасную реликвию, проживая в замкнутом пространстве, и которая никому не нужна кроме таких же отчаянных бесправных бунтарей - и иметь произведение искусства, имея для своей защиты много денег и власть.
После третьего эпизода подумал - хм, может и интересненькое из всего этого получится... но следующие три эпизода - это просто фейспалм, унылость и неистовое натягивание сову на глобус. Говоря словами Станиславского - НЕ ВЕРЮ! Всё очень и очень плохенько и если кому-то и заходит, то уж совсем неискушенному зрителю. зы. смотрю только из-за Ребекки...
Cкучновато. После 2й серии уже как-то и на экран смотреть не интересно стало. Движухи 0. Сюжета 0. Одно и тоже из серии в серию. Языками чешут и все. Уже 2ю неделю "смотрю" и только на 6й серии. И музыка дурацкая как в Westworld. Да, начала серию книжную читать - гораздо интереснее и по времени явно меньше занимает. Уже на Shift.
Jules's picture book should be like AI pictures for us - some kind of incomprehensible crap and nonsense. Even the sunset is a strange pattern of stripes of different colors.
As for me, it is logical enough that the IT department and bureaucrats have outdated computers that consume little power, the less advanced the technology (where is their microchip factory?), the easier it will be to restore. However, it is interesting how the cleaners work and who repairs more advanced screens and computers. Do they choose the most gifted mechanics?
By the way, it's not clear how they saw that Juliette was looking at this book, and before that they hadn't discovered how Regina, George, his mother or aunt were looking at it?
I wonder if there's anything about stars in the book. Otherwise, he'll read it, tell the guy from the cafeteria, and burn himself in front of him. I've been waiting for all the previous episodes about flowers. Somehow, Juliette ignored the note altogether. And the very topic of the bunker, with the fact that after the destruction of books 140 years ago, everyone's memory abruptly disappeared and the great-grandfathers could not at least verbally convey what was in these books, infuriates me. I hope that it will be explained properly at least in the next episodes. The lack of elevators or rope systems was somehow explained in the last episode. Therefore, I do not lose hope to find out about this.
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115It's a pity Regina's warnings didn't work, even though Juliet followed them, didn't say a word.
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I hope @MarkRaffer will forgive me for quoting him without his consent.
"the author has thrown out his very narrow-minded vision of the existence of mankind, plus his target audience is mom's cooltshackers, for whom IT (so that it is not understood by this) is the center of the universe, around which everything revolves. So the author sings the praises of this impersonal and ephemeral IT, completely not understanding the essence."
"But to the dull public from this very IT, for some reason, something like this comes to me, as the one who has been associated with IT since the last millennium - from this I just yell in my voice."
On the other hand, they decided to devote more time to revealing the characters (Billings, for example, or the collective image of Juliet's boyfriend), which is good, this was not given much attention in the books
In general, it's difficult to discuss anything here without spoilers, to be honest))
But I rather wonder how the screenwriters are going to deal with the events of the second book)
I knew that there was a reason that attention was focused on flowers from the very beginning.
What a gorgeous cat Regina has, that's what she feeds this happiness in a bunker.
In fact, we don't even really know how much information the sheriff's wife pulled from the hard drive.
the book is clearly interesting at times, but the series is a chamber shot in 4 green walls, which is why it is such a burden
At the same time, we saw that the screen blinked during a blackout a couple of episodes ago, which means that the picture that broadcasts and replaces reality is constantly being created, and weak computers are not suitable for this.
Let's see who they're going to wake up and whether it's a lawyer, once the son of a janitor.
I bet that 140 years ago it was not those who were exposed as the culprits who won.
Everything he left behind was for a reason.
For a whole fifty minutes of timekeeping, stupidly not a single corpse is NOT CANON !11!11!¹¹1!!1!¡!!
Ahahaha 🌚
And now seriously :
To me , this series looks so sluggish . I wouldn't even call fillers fillers here. Just an atmospheric and measured narrative. Anyway, something happens during the series, some questions are half-answered, and in general, it is clear that there is some movement. As an example, now (at the time of writing the comment) another series From is being released in parallel. There is also a kind of global mystery and riddles for less. Only there, in the half of the second season, it seems as if less happened than here, in a couple of episodes. It constantly seems that the screenwriters no longer know under what pretext not to move the plot in place. You immediately watch the episode and somehow something happens.
Moreover, here, under the finale of the series, there is also such an intrigue, sho it's for the guys who are going to wake up, sho for the mutations in general, and everything else. I still like the series.
Plus, there's a cozy Ferguson :)
In general, I'm waiting for the next episode, so far I'm pleasantly impressed with the series.
But at least the ending and the scene with the book were worth it, I like Rebecca, although sometimes it seems that her expression is too dead, especially when she allowed herself a smile. And I don't mind that this is all 1 big experiment, because even against this background, you can wind up a lot and there is a feeling that these are really external observers, but the lawyers are probably at the same time with them, or at least they are aware. With cameras, I can't believe that in 140 years no one has discovered anything except Holston.
Короче дело пока выглядит так: Джордж с помощью разных женщин (Реджины, жены шерифа) доставал и исследовал реликвии. Потом он нашел ход под бункером на планах и поэтому ушел вниз (бросив Реджину). Потом "уборщики" вычислили Реджину и она сдала продавцов реликвий и Джорджа. Юристы по наводке "уборщиков" обыскали квартиру Джорджа, но ничего не нашли - все хранилось ниже. Потом что-то случилось и "уборщики" скинули Джорджа с высоты, зачем-то. А может и не уборщики. Но у юристов остался список реликвий, про которые Реджина им рассказала, поэтому эта упаковка из под конфет (или что это такое, я тоже кстати не в курсе) была в деле как принадлежавшая Джорджу (хотя и не была обнаружена при обыске).
Я вижу тут некоторую натяжку в том, что Кеннеди согласился сдать именно Реджину, это объясняется почему так, но слишком уж тут шерифу повезло.
Yes, it's a candy wrapper, I had some when I was a kid. As for Kennedy, it probably came together that Regina didn't collect everything for profit, and she's the only one in the whole bunker. It's easy to turn her in without fear of revenge, and she was the one who got George's things. Yes, I was lucky, but everything is logical)
Дело ж не в том, какую полезность дают реликвии, а в самих их наличии существования и запретности . Как минимум всё запретное и непознанное манит , так устроен человеческий род . А как максимум они тонну лет чиллят под землёй, конечно из тысяч найдутся единицы, которые захотят докопаться до истины и будут проявлять интерес . Это как люди раскопки проводят дабы найти что-то интересное и возможно понять что-то о прошлом . Или как люди интересовались раньше почему предметы падают на пол и как так происходит (ну, в смысле гравитация) . Или изучения океанов или космоса . Короче о таких вещах.
Только у них действительность чуть другая и они не условный космос изучают, а всякое вокруг себя. Вот есть какая-то штука , реликвия, она под запретом . Вау, а что это ? Для чего ? Почему под запретом ? Вот за такие диковинки они и платят местные далары , за них же и рискуют жизнями .
А Ты как-то подходишь с практической точки зрения к этому делу )))
зы. смотрю только из-за Ребекки...
Да, начала серию книжную читать - гораздо интереснее и по времени явно меньше занимает. Уже на Shift.
Побольше котиков, поменьше педиков и успех сериала обеспечен
As for me, it is logical enough that the IT department and bureaucrats have outdated computers that consume little power, the less advanced the technology (where is their microchip factory?), the easier it will be to restore.
However, it is interesting how the cleaners work and who repairs more advanced screens and computers. Do they choose the most gifted mechanics?
I've been waiting for all the previous episodes about flowers. Somehow, Juliette ignored the note altogether.
And the very topic of the bunker, with the fact that after the destruction of books 140 years ago, everyone's memory abruptly disappeared and the great-grandfathers could not at least verbally convey what was in these books, infuriates me. I hope that it will be explained properly at least in the next episodes. The lack of elevators or rope systems was somehow explained in the last episode. Therefore, I do not lose hope to find out about this.