Couldn't Jason just imagine a world in which there is a huge amount of money in a suitcase in front of this container, rather than looking for an "investor"?
@reddit: If you are not Donald Trump, but a poor physics teacher, the tax service will be interested in you very quickly. They even filmed a whole series about it, Breaking Bad, they say it's not bad.
@reddit: Well, yes, and the fact that money in another world is exactly the same as in your own world? Such as security measures, banknote numbers, even presidents on banknotes may be completely different. Or in another world, dollars are not the main means of payment, but pieces of leather. There are many nuances
Damn, well, it all seemed to start seriously. But the shoals, obvious even to non-physicists, begin to accumulate and this discourages: 1) if this is a borderline perception, how can it be the same for both? Even three of them 2) if there was no atmosphere in the 3rd world, how did they not lose their own, damn it? And anyway, judging by what was shown, they should have been incinerated immediately, through the door. I'm already silent about the sun, again hanging in a place where the planet would have been torn apart by tidal force long ago. 3) is it warmer in -50 in an unheated house? especially with a broken window. And it can be heated by a fireplace? having clogged the window with boards with slits in the finger ... And in general, the characters begin to behave like morons. And somehow I don't feel like empathizing with morons. The rest of the series, almost nothing happens except for the chatter. Boring! After explaining how navigation works, questions begin to appear about the worlds they entered in the beginning. And if the nuclear winter, the fall into the sun and the underground location can still be explained somehow by Amanda's panic, then how to explain the forest in the second and the dinosaurs in the fifth? Who beat up Leighton from the alt universe? At the same time, without taking away his belongings. You could have shown 1 minute. And the finale looks like it's finally been leaked. Should I say thank you for not just "forgetting"? And what happened to "our" Layton? Judging by the filing, did alt-Jay send him somewhere in an alternate world, offering to rewrite all the property for himself? But is it possible to transfer a trust fund to another name? And if you disappear after that, won't Dad and, as a result, the police have obvious questions? Although if not, they will show you more. Further, how can alt-Jason trust Layton, how can he know him if "our" Jason seems to be radically different from himself? They don't stop demonstrating this, even in this episode when driving a son - where our son called for caution, this one behaves like an asshole cutting people off on the roads. And they literally tell him that the old Jason behaved diametrically differently?
In short, the further you go, the more everything crumbles.
@alavitka: Oh yes, I also forgot the brilliant idea for celebrating a teenager's birthday - a wake for his twin brother... It seems to me that this is an extremely unhealthy idea, which should lead to serious mental deformations, which Charlie, however, does not demonstrate at all. This dead twin actually looks like the devil out of a box. I mean, there was no trace of the tragedy until alt-Jason discovered two twin birth certificates in the last episode.
@alavitka: damn, you have a series about the fact that in a particular version of reality there can be anything, and you are talking about commemorations and a holiday on the same day. Maybe that's the way it is in their reality. No one said that their reality is equal to ours.
@DmitryYakushev: That's how you can justify anything. In fact, if done well, such excuses are not needed. What can you do if I'm a sophisticated viewer, and not an American victim of the Unified State Exam, who can't show a single country on the world map, and I haven't even heard about logic?
@alavitka: what does the excuse have to do with it, it's literally what the series is about) the fact that many things seem dumb in this context is another matter.
@alavitka: You've probably watched Zack Snyder's "Rebel Moon." I found fault with the illogicality of physics there. And one person told me in the comments that - "This is another planet, there are other laws of physics."
@alavitka: The most important question for me is: where does the box come from in those worlds where it was not invented? It turns out that the box was built in one version of the universe and it automatically appeared in all of them?
@drundel: it says in plain text about a cat in a box, which both exists and does not exist at the same time.
There is no problem in the existence of the box in any version of reality, or in its appearance in a specific place and at a specific time. It's just that we live in a reality where no one has ever invented just such a box and no one has moved into or out of this version of reality. But in our reality, the box is in a great series.
By the way, there is no problem with the existence of dumb characters in a parallel universe either.
@DmitryYakushev: Exactly, in Schrodinger's experiment, there is a cat in superposition, not a box. It was explained in the first episodes that the superposition contains what is inside the box, and not the box itself. The box shields what's inside from the observer effect. Now let's continue the thought. An infinite number of multiverses and in all of them the box is in the same place? Isn't there a version of the world where they decided to build a box somewhere else? 10 meters to the right, 2 floors below, at the orbital station, at my cottage. There must be such versions of the world, since there are an infinite number of them. And since the box appears in all the worlds at once, it turns out that each world must be filled with boxes from all the other worlds where it was built. Oh well.
@drundel: no, the box is also empty, it is assumed that in superposition, it exists and does not exist until no one has observed it from the inside, connected by a door to the current point of view of the universe - it does not exist, as far as this is accurate from the point of view of our physics - you can already ask the creators of the series, however, it absolutely could not be built in one and in the same place in an infinite number of variants of universes, and the creators could not think so either, it does not stand up to any criticism, I think they meant what I am writing, or something third, maybe they will explain later.
In worlds where the box is being watched, the box should already be there. And where no one is watching, it may or may not be, and then it appears. Accordingly, in worlds where these constant coordinates are being monitored, for example, video surveillance, and she is not there - you cannot leave the box, because she is not there. Then, with thoughts about choosing the world for traveling, it would be necessary to be stronger / more precise. And not all this "think about the good" and "meditate as you can -... Crum Crum crum"
It's not a Drundel, but a mudd, but it's also neat 😅
"where does the box come from in those worlds where it was not invented?"
I wrote about the likely answer: the box just appears. There is no violation of causality in this, because this is a universe where the box just appeared on its own at that very moment. Similar to the Boltzmann brain.
@alavitka: with physics, most new sci-fi movies and TV series (based on books or originals, it doesn't matter) terrible trouble. It affects the fact that many authors studied under the Bologna system, where humanities (like them) do not need to learn physics, except for a very basic one😅 So people write that you can open the door to a world without an atmosphere, but you will not be drawn into it like a piece of paper into a vacuum cleaner, and other similar game😁
@Hidji: Soon it will be like in some kind of fiction: an alien will not understand how a high level of technology is combined with the impenetrable drowsiness of the masses =))
@alavitka: You talk as if every person should be knowledgeable in all areas of science and technology. Can you assemble a computer yourself, write a program, train a neural network, or do you understand in detail the technology of producing paints for textiles? Everyone specializes in their field, someone will be able to create a vaccine, but will not be able to assemble a cabinet of pieces of wood, and someone processes wood and makes furniture, but does not fumble in physics. The problem is not that the scriptwriters and the masses do not know physics well, but that the creators did not consult thoroughly with real physicists or ignored some data in favor of entertainment.
@albinka_: It's just that our general education program is such that absolutely everyone learns the basic laws of physics at school. And this introduces into the minds of the idea that everyone should have at least a general idea of what works and how, if they did not completely forget about it. And even if they forgot, then there is also logic, although many people may have problems here). So yes, everyone should. This is not how to build a computer or write a program, but rather how to know: water is wet, and fire can burn). And then, any movie/TV fan who has often watched fiction can remember movies about space, where the gateway opens and pulls everyone there in seconds. Or just movies where people freeze overnight in the cold, even freeze their limbs or fingers by the campfire. Etc.
Was it right to write somewhere in the comments: hundreds of people are working on the film, and none of them are crazy about the nonsense that they are shooting, because there are simply no consultants nearby? This is an amazing degradation of minds in the world of cinema😁
@Hidji: I was responding to a lady who often says something about pindos in the comments (this is a word she often uses, if anything), without doing a fact check. Firstly, there is no Unified State Exam in America, there is another similar test, and secondly, physics is studied at school there, chemistry and other sciences, and children can even choose in-depth study within the school. Well, the argument "cannot show any country in the world on the map" - where does such information come from? Do you have survey data? If you approach the average Russian, there is also no guarantee that all countries will show 100 out of 100. For example, from my experience of traveling in Russia, I know that half of people confuse Tatarstan and Kazakhstan.
In general, it was just surprising to me that she explained the stupidity of the script by the poor education of the entire nation, and not by the stupidity of specific screenwriters. As if other countries don't write idiotic scripts, or as if there are no good American science fiction.
Well, the claim / surprise about the fact that, unexpectedly, the house turned out to be warmer than outside and they were able to keep warm from the fire in the fireplace is also absurd (The temperature was -50, which was not stated anywhere, from somewhere, such a blizzard could be at -5 and -10, or else that there is a frozen cat - a dead cat without blood circulation could freeze and be covered with ice even with a minimum minus). Well, even if you imagine that it was colder: in a village without heating, people live quietly in houses and barracks and in -40 with a stove and even with a simple stove.
//if anything, I also think that there are a lot of strange and stupid scenario decisions here and I agree with half of the claims, but small assholes for the sake of assholes with the passing belittlement of an entire nation to show that I am the smartest here, and other idiots are also strange.
@albinka_: regarding the premises, there is such a factor as freezing. It will not be warmer in a frozen room with large cracks providing a wild draft. In fact, even a hole dug in the snow will be a much more acceptable shelter from the cold at high temperatures. I say this as a person who has spent many winters in the Arctic). One of the amusements of childhood was to dig these very holes in many-meter snowdrifts))). And we had enough cast-offs, there was a club in them. Therefore, I was also surprised by this scene and similar wanderings in the series Monarch. The Legacy of Monsters". For people familiar with the cold weather, it looks wild. Maybe the claim is petty against the background of others, but also on the case, and not from scratch.
@Hidji: Well, okay, it's just that I also lived in Siberia until I was 17, and I spent the night in a barrack at -40 and did not die and was in the Khanty settlement, they generally live there in the middle of a snowfield in the plague. It's really not very comfortable in a big draughty stone abandoned building, I agree. But it's kind of like a small house. Now I no longer remember the details of the scene in the series, but I think that the hero should have guessed to close the doors, plug the cracks and the window, in short, somehow limit the space so that it warms up and does not blow through. If someone noticed deliberately uncluttered through-the-cracks in the frame, then it's not very thoughtful, yes.
Well, I think that the series was supposed to be not such a big minus, after all, it was just a commentator's assumption, the thermometer was not shown to us, no one entered gismeteo. They don't have particularly thick jackets, and their shoes are clearly not suitable for the harsh winter, at -50 (according to the assumption above), they would have frostbitten hard there at the first steps.
@albinka_: but "smart Americans" probably have a different opinion, because I did not remember the same Monarch in vain " with the same walking almost along the pole). Not only are the scenes similar, but both series from Apple, most likely even with intersections on the set). Once it was an accident, twice it was a coincidence, but I am sure that there is a third, or even a fourth, similar move from them😆
@Hidji: Well, apparently they didn't have cold weather survival consultants) And I didn't write that they were smart, I said that it was stupid to accuse the whole nation of moronism because of the writers of some series. Well, the TV series in / about Chicago was filmed, where the standard winter temperature is not far from 0 degrees. It's not really relevant to talk about the pole here, because the causes of a snowstorm and such weather in this world are unknown to us. Temperature conditions are also not clear.
@albinka_: Personally, I'm not saying they're all dumb. But the Bologna education system makes itself felt even in our country, where it has not been fully functioning for a quarter of a century. What can we say about the USA. This is suitable for the cultivation of narrow-purpose specialists, but narrows the horizons. And most people will be very limited if they don't at least educate themselves. At least. These are the harsh realities. And it's clear about Chicago, but remembering the recent wild chaos in Texas, where the standard winter temperature is much higher... Um, there was tin with a temperature not much below zero, it was enough). I don't know the statistics for the USA yet, but it would seem that in progressive Britain more than 20 thousand people die of cold every year, and there are also far from -50 in winter.
@Hidji: I've checked your information. The main cause of cold mortality is an increase in the incidence of cardiovascular diseases among the elderly population during prolonged stay in temperature conditions below the point of minimum mortality. The main problem is that they do not have the means to heat the room well all winter and they save money (well, the fuel crisis caused heating prices to rise). I.e., a rather long-term stay in the cold + old age and health problems aggravate the situation.
And yes, the problem of the lack of good central heating is serious and very unpleasant. Once I also had to live in a room for a couple of days, in which it was only about +15-16 degrees, such a thing. But here the characters still had no choice, as it were. In general, it was initially stupid that the heroine-psychologist freaked out and went somewhere in a snowstorm, so the fact that they spent the night in the house is not the biggest stupidity)
@albinka_: and there are people who are surprised that the city is extinct). Like we have people living in Siberia and nothing). And the fact that this metropolis will become a large crypt without central heating, which is not there in sight, is no longer clear to everyone).
Yes, in general, Episode 4 made me facepalm so many times... I didn't expect this after the pilot. However, with such an effect, it is necessary to pour out emotions in words, and the example is usually given what is most remembered). In this case, it was a world without air, a giant sun and this strange show with flight into a blizzard and either gel or foam snow of a very strange texture). Against their background, much more stupid and even absurd things have receded from viewers who are inclined to analyze what is happening into the background simply because of the degree of stupefaction))).
I think (or hope) that they just gave up on realism for the sake of entertainment, so that these worlds would be both frightening and very different from each other
@Hidji: it is very funny to read about the fact that our people are better educated at school when a huge number of people believe in the harm of 5g towers, chemical trails, chips in vaccines, conspiracy theories, when people do not know how to conduct elementary fact-checking, believe in horoscopes, numerology and tarot reading :)) And people with excellent Soviet education, not spoiled by the Bologna system, charged the water at the TV under Alan Chumak and believed in Kashpirovsky's abilities.
@alavitka: 1) It doesn't matter 2) They also lost, began to suffocate. As for the sun, it is unclear what they showed us, what could have become of the sun so that it turned into a red giant in such a short time? Or is it not a red giant, but some kind of mega flash? In short, an incomprehensible moment. 3) Well, it's warmer than in a strong wind. And even more so with fire , it's a house. And it wasn't -50 there - they would have turned into ice in the wind at -50 in 30 seconds. -10 maybe, since the fire helped them so much. As for the boards with slits, they did not show that he hammered it with boards, which means he could have sealed the gap with anything. Anyway, it's not that important.
With Leighton, it's obvious that this is the groundwork for the next episode, and everything will be shown there. The same applies to our Leighton - they will show you and tell you further, I suppose. "how can alt-Jason trust Layton, how can he know him if "our" Jason seems to be radically different from himself?- Well, kamon, he told a whole story that in his world Altleyton himself came to him and offered investments, he came to Jason, for which he is very grateful, and then they worked together for 10 years and as a result he created this cube.
Nothing is falling apart, the plot is certainly still in order, minor blunders with the laws of physics in altmires clearly do not outweigh the intrigue. Well, for me personally. I'm just watching the series, not to dig into the little things in the comments later)
@Iamliam23: No one is looking to dig into the little things in the comments. But sometimes, the unwillingness of screenwriters to work with their brains just kills. Even in the book, the author pulled science by the ears on the globe. I have even more questions, but... it was enough to say that it was fantasy and everyone would be satisfied with everything.
@WFurman: That's right. I would love to just watch, I'm not even a particularly picky person. But when the jambs outweigh the interest of the plot, there's nothing left.
@Iamliam23: I see you have a great desire to justify something there, although your arguments are about the same as those of the authors of the script. Well, you won't justify it to me like that, so you can save time. Although they did not suffocate after the sun (it was after the collapse of the building from the dust), and at -10 Amanada would not have started to fall asleep in 5 minutes, and life would not have died out. The cat in the basement was frozen damn! (And by the way, if they heated the house, it should have thawed and started to stink!) The boards and cracks are visible in the scene by the fireplace the next morning. Ah, the hell with you! Let's hush it up. We just have a different threshold of "I don't believe it!", although I'm not a riveter at all, it's just that there are very big holes for me. Perhaps it also plays a role that I am a writer myself and have learned to justify everything. And the series makers clearly don't care.
@alavitka: There are certain conventions in any film product that you should close your eyes to and not soar your brain. Especially if we are talking about some boards and dead cats. These are not movie clips, because 1) they do not affect the plot in any way 2) these are just conventions, details of the entourage that were not twisted enough, but which can be easily twisted in your head, because it is clear what the authors wanted to say in general: there is a snow-covered planet, there is a house on it, the heroes hid there somehow, then the heroes lost the cube, after searching they found it and they got out of there. Don't make a tragedy out of it. Although when you really want to criticize, it's certainly difficult to do.)
@Iamliam23: movies and TV shows are very, very expensive now. A lot of people are involved in their creation. And personally, I'm very offended for humanity as a whole that they didn't have a single person on the set who would object - what the hell are we shooting.
The entourage can be cheap, for example, as in "Guest from the Future" in 1985. There are no complaints here. But the entourage in this series is expensive and not random. They did all this exactly according to the authors' idea, and they put the cracks and the cat there, they did not materialize there themselves.
@SmilePS: Don't you think that the cracks there are not empty windows, but glazed ones, as they do when they leave their home? As for the cat, she stupidly died of hunger, not from the cold.
In any case, it's only for minor details that I personally find it funny to discuss this in all seriousness))
@6o4ka: Yes, the thing is that we don't know what time of year it is there - maybe this summer they have it with -20, -30 degrees. Otherwise, why was the city abandoned? at -30 in winter, you can live, as most Russian cities show)
There are also clues to the illogicality, from what I noticed and what cut the eye, firstly it is the wild cold in which, however, as soon as they came out of the cube, they did not even put on hoods. It looks ridiculous of course. And secondly... Amanda says that the compass is influenced by the magnetic field of the cube, so the compass behaves strangely... how does the psychologist know what magnetic field the cube has? When even its creator (!!!) I didn't understand about that
Some kind of chaotic episode, as if the screenwriters injected themselves with the same drug for the first time that the characters of the series use. The inconsistencies are well written above. The laws of physics can be ignored, because the main characters have impenetrable story armor.
@Iamliam23: I watched it, it seemed stuffy to me before episode 6, but overall I liked it. I also looked at the lost room recently, so I really liked it, despite the fake ending and all the graphics.
@a001aarus: What a cool episode, the best in the series at the moment. So many worlds have been shown and all are almost extinct. I wonder what they'll come up with next, I'd like to see a version of earth with aliens or where the whole world is one country
The inventor of the box knows how to control it and about the endless variation. After all, he could then go into the world where his double had just been in a car accident, disappeared or something similar, and then just take his place in the family. But I chose this way. It's very strange. I also messed up a friend, even though I tried to help. Everything he has through f..pu comes out in other worlds, he threw his own in vain😄
@Hidji: By the way, yes. What killed him was the phrase "I'm trying to fix where I messed up." Hello, man! You didn't fix it, but stupidly stole it, thereby messing up even more. I would have fixed it if I had gone to my Daniela to fix it. Moreover, judging by what she showed us, she would not mind.
A cube in which it is not recommended to think negatively :)))...
If we abstract from all the inconsistencies described above, we can enjoy a small variety of the worlds shown (it's better than nothing). Since this is exactly what I was waiting for, I watched the episode with pleasure.
@AtomicTroll: First physics goes to the garden, then logic, motivation, and as a result, what was filmed for? So you can generally screw up any shit without a plot. Okay, it would be some kind of Doctor Who, but they also twist scientific terms abundantly like superposition, liminality, deconstruction, etc. Like "we are SF"! Well, they would have filmed a fairy tale and not bothered. But if you have a GG physicist, then sending physics in the ass is just the height of insanity!
@alavitka: First of all, with two hands for! For such a x..robora, there are fantasy and fairy tales that I watch with pleasure and spend everything on magic without clogging my head). But if you write sci-fi in the genre, then be kind.
After the first two doors, I involuntarily began to imagine different versions of events in which they could be killed in a split second after opening the door And then it turned out how navigation works, and I realized that I definitely wouldn't have survived in the world of this series.
ну вот к четвёртой серии окончательно начали моросить. к сценарным глупостям, высказанным выше, хотелось бы добавить вопрос, а как это тогда гг попал в мир своего злобного двойника, если двери работают на мыслеобразах? надеялся на более менее серьёзное произведение, но похоже наснимали очередной пуксреньк в ладошку ожиданий хоть какой-то научности, на серьёзных щах жонглирующий красивыми терминами без их реального смыслового наполнения. пойду лучше скользящих пересмотрю, лучше уже видимо не будет
@Artchel: нет, не объяснимо. ну закинул. дальше что? как показали куб не телепорт. чтобы открыть дверь в желаемый мир нужно о нём подумать внутри и как минимум быть в состоянии открыть дверь. и на кадрах из прошлых серий не видно, чтобы в кубе кто-то был, кроме выползающего из него гг.
@iken: Well, that was the trick - not to show it. Not in the frame does not mean it was not. In the cinema, more often than not, another joint is not in the frame, so it was not there. Like, a sudden helicopter. Or a train.
Here, real shoals began to be poured from the heart, so there will be no dubious ones
@iken: damn, the evil gg dragged gg into the cube, a corridor appeared, the evil gg thought about his world, opened the door, threw gg out and closed the door!
@iken: Ну у меня к этому кстати вопросов нет. Ибо в этой же серии "препод" повесил на это лампочку: "Зачем твоему Джейсону так утруждаться, чтобы оттарабанить меня в свой мир, а не просто убить?" Т.е. тут как бы подразумевается именно это. Думаю, он пришибленного наркотой двойника выпихнул после того, как открыл дверь, сам за ней спрятавшись, т.к. отлично знал, где и как установлена камера. Это кажется не за пределами логики и физики.
I wonder what happens if the drug stops working while they're inside. Which universe will they enter? The last one you entered? Or each to his own family?
@Iamliam23: That is, in your opinion, when the drug runs out, they will not go anywhere at all? That's how they get into a superposition under the influence of the drug. As it ends, they fall out of the superposition state and just end up in a box. And here's the attention, the question! What's in the black box? ... oh, oh, it's from another opera. What's outside the black box?) Although, of course, the trick is that relative to them, the whole world outside the box is still in superposition until the door is opened.
@Kentavr: Yes, they just end up in a drawer. And what's behind it..As for me, either nothing and a box in a superposition outside of any realities. Or as you say, it's the last world they've been in. An interesting point, maybe this is described in more detail in the book.
@Kentavr: Most likely some kind of random world that they imagined. It's not like the heroes choose the door and open it, but like in roulette, the cube stops in one of the worlds.
They take the drug to stop thinking nonsense and become neutral - then you enter a superposition. At the same time, they are still freaking out inside the cube and thinking about cataclysms. And the drug didn't help?
@krook: It seems that they take the drug to remove some synapses in the brain that are responsible for the observer effect. But yes, in general, it's far-fetched, of course.
By the way, King has a story "Long Jont", which describes teleportation, but at the same time a person must be unconscious at the time of transfer so that "consciousness " does not hang in "quantum infinity "yu.
Snow and cubic meters of snow lifted up by many meters with mittened hands in the bitter cold by two people in a matter of minutes... I'm behind the scenes - it's a fiasco. I don't know how it was in the book, but in the language of cinema it was shown as cringingly as possible
@Artchel: Yes, this moment also strained a little, and how a three-meter cube was swept overnight, but it did not cover the second or third floor of the house they climbed into🫣
@What a fuck: The cube attracted all the snow around with its electromagnetic properties :D But on the whole, it's amazing how this house didn't get swept up earlier, if such blizzards are raging there..
The question remains what alt-Jason did for 14 months after he entered the cube. Perhaps he was looking for the right world. Well, he imagined a world like where a child was born and they were married, but maybe he couldn't influence some nuances with his imagination. For example, in some world it turned out that there was a bad relationship with a friend, either he was dead at all, or his son was a drug addict, or his wife was drinking)) and he spent some time exploring each world. Then I got tired of looking and decided to stop at this, which is still not ideal, because one of the children died. This option would partially explain why he came to the family without preparation, without knowing the main points of their life together
@KakoitoHren: I also remembered how alt-Jason in the first episode asked Jason if he was happy with his life? If he had replied that he was not happy and everything was bad, he would have left him alone and gone on to look for worlds🤔
@КакойтоХрен: КМК нет. У него как и у всех 50 доз препарата. А вопрос был задан уже после вкалывания. Нелогично расходовать препарат до того, как ты решил, что чел пойдёт в ящик.
Я не понимаю, когда Джейсон-учитель с Амандой вернулись в куб, он сидел и грустил, что не с семьей, не на др сына. Но что ему мешало попытаться вернуться-то? он же уже догадался, как это работает. Представь дерево, др и вернись.
Of course, I'm not well versed in psychology, but even if I emotionally went out into such a cold at least one step, I would immediately want to go back. She wasn't so doomed that she just wanted to die in the snow. But they certainly understood how it all works. The instinct of self-preservation? No, you haven't heard
@marishka_mir: Какие бы у человека не были эмоции, холодный душ обычно всех отрезвляет. Но это другая вселенная, там люди когда попадают в холод сразу спать ложатся.
@SmilePS: Ну вообще-то смерть от переохлаждения и начинается именно как сон, судя по многочисленным литературным описаниям. Из серии упал в сугроб, уснул, умер. Из чего я и сделала вывод, что там очень низкая температура, если она свалилась через 5 минут. Но то, что обратно не побежала сразу это правда бред. Такой холод это не на мороз без шапки в мазаг за углом выскочить - там сразу больно.
@DeadDanny: either graphics or artificial snow. Yes, it looks unnatural. but we all understand that the real thing has nowhere to come from - they won't pull the film crew to Alaska. and it's inconvenient to work with the present
За бортом ядерный апокалипсис - конечно, пойдем погулять и не помрем от радиации за минуту. Всё-таки существование контейнера во всех вселенных глупость. Если в одной вселенной он на месте парка, например или на дне океана? Всем пофиг? И если контейнер в одной вселенной взорвать - он перестанет существовать в других?
ГГ из второй вселенной ближе к антигерою, чем антагонисту. Ведь правда мог просто первую версию себя завалить и никто бы не узнал. И выбросил его в свой мир, а не в какой-нибудь постапокалиптический. Буду ржать, если в итоге они решат добровольно поменяться вселенными)
@-VLDMR-: это, кстати, реально очень смешные моменты - физик выходит погулять в мир постапока, любуется пеплом без задних мыслей, а психолог/психотерапевт истерит и выбегает в сугробы. Хз, мне после такого сложно было всерьез происходящее воспринимать.
The moment of entering the snow-covered world is just ahtung, which is where for whom (it is clear that the gg understood how to control the doors, but the most strange choice of plot)
I wanted to joke that they just need to wait for Snowpiercer and Connelly will be there, and Layton will be nicer there))
@Liza: and this is in the course of just a kind of warming up before Going Through the snow)) I had this before season 2 in 2021, when the final mission on a train in the middle of winter in the game Hitman 3 just partially resembled a Dissecting one)))
@Liza: so it also explained why this happened: Amanda caught a panic and went ahead, and Jason did not leave her in this world. She then sat in the house and said that she was preparing the pilots to remain calm, but she panicked.
So far, not a single fresh thought on a given topic has been seen in the series at all. And these doppelgangers stealing other people's lives and variations of worlds have been so many times that it is not clear what else they want to say. If my sclerosis does not change me, then it was getting into the frozen world that became the starting point for, for example, Sliding, and so far the creators of the series have not gone much further than that idea in these descriptions. I agree that the same Constellation turned out to be tedious, then for some reason there was not such an obsessive feeling that you were watching a compilation from other works, but here it just does not leave. And so far, everything is very predictable.
@ShaMarinka: А вот и правда не удивлюсь, если послание всего сюжета будет "действуй, измени свою жизнь". Блейк Крауч не так много написал и не особо шедевров, но пока всё идет к тому, что первая Даниэлла полюбит второго Джейсона, а первый Джейсон замутит с Амандой. Пока не раскрыт персонаж Симпсона - Райан. Уверен такого актера для заполнения каста не брали бы. Может он раскроет секрет, захочет поработить миры и оба ГГ будут ему противостоять))
It's a little stuffy in the comments. I really want to air it out. There are quantum physicists all around. The best series so far. As for the incomprehensible worlds, they explained that they are influenced by the emotional state. Jason is depressed that he is not with his family, the accumulated stress from the whole situation is obvious, the adrenaline from escaping. There are post-shocks and storms all around. Why did the lady run into the storm - she freaked out. She explained it in plain text. The borderline state of superposition affects the psyche, which is why she was in the project to train people like a psychologist. But the area has not been studied, so it was not ready for these jumps either.
My only serious complaint is alt Jason, his motivation and behavior. He spat on his son (even if not his own), again he wants money and research. Why the hell would he need someone else's family at all, was there really no more suitable world in the multiverse, where Connelly was without children, for example, and Jason himself had money. This is a damn multiverse and there should be billions of options where they are together. I thought he had another reason, but they persistently force us to do exactly what he just wants Connelly, and in his own world, for some idiotic reasons, he would not have succeeded with her. Although it clearly showed that she still has feelings for him and she quickly rushed into bed with another Jason. So maybe it's easier to couple therapy, rather than creating a means of moving between universes?
@ekko: Well, he also kind of regretted that she had an abortion because of him, and they didn't have a family. In general, there is such a thing as "Be afraid of your desires, they tend to come true," and not always what you so passionately desired brings satisfaction. There are already a million films on this topic about "swapped places", or those whose "cherished wish came true", and in the end they realized that this was not what they really wanted.
This is in fact a classic reverse trope: usually a character thinks that he wants money and fame, but it turns out that he is not happy about it, and he just wanted love. On the contrary, this hero, being rich, most likely felt that something was missing in his life (family, love) + midlife crisis + I've been thinking all my life about whether he did the right thing then, so I decided to check it out. And, perhaps, having received a family, he realized that in fact he is like that - driven by science and ambition. And regret about Connelly, which pushed him to do all this - well, a person like that is always not enough that he has, even if he has a lot of money and influence, did not get it in his world, decided to take it away in another.
If I understand the logic of moving in this cube correctly, then everything there is tied to the observer effect. Therefore, moving together is simply impossible.
@Sqev: you understand correctly, this is at least 50% of the component. But in the comments we have been assured more than once that the laws of physics and logic are not applicable to modern science fiction, so alas, we are just stuffy😅😁
@Sqev: As if they are trying to show here that only the immersion into a super position requires removing the observer effect (by taking the drug), and already at the moment when the cube and the people in it are in a super position, there is already a fuck on the observer effect. It's like an operation is impossible without pain relief, because a person can die from pain shock, but as long as the nerve endings are affected by pain relief, the patient can be conscious and even watch as he is cut.
There is still a question of how gg*2 can travel through the worlds and back to the right one, and even take someone on an excursion with him, if we are shown that a minimally skipped thought and emotion can lead anywhere.
If they continue to wander them through the universes, it's just some kind of Sliding Ones that couldn't get into their world for a bunch of seasons. Oh, I still remember the moment from there with the creaking gate ((
Well, the feeling that at some point there will be a world where both sons are alive, and the hero's dilemma on this topic.
I liked that at least in passing they showed parallel worlds where different events took place. I didn't get it, which Layton was at the end? The one who ran after Amanda or the one who talked to Jason-2?! Why is he covered in blood? Jackson 2 began to open up. He is already transferring his past life to a new one, just so that there is a family and a career here. The man got bored. But really, he doesn't need a family, he would play and go to his reality, where his beloved friend is waiting.
@Oksana_Gol: This is Leighton from the world where our Jason got into, from which he escaped with Amanda. He's covered in blood, because off-screen he got into some kind of world in which he almost died
I just wanted to say thank you to the creators of the series for the fact that the characters at least just open and close the doors, and do not walk through all these worlds, getting into trouble, like Amanda went crazy and for some reason ran out into an ice storm.
I have vague doubts that the evil James will mess up in this world too. Aggressive driving advice and brand-new cars will first harm Charles, and on this basis he will quarrel with Daniela.
I do not want to find fault with physics, we will attribute all non-docking to the cinema assumption...but Amanda's psychos, who almost faked everything, is something, a psychologist...it's necessary to act so stupidly, and I also liked how she explained physics about electromagnetic fields, and if I got into such a corridor, the first thing I would do would be to mark the doors, why do they just go like that?...it is not clear, especially since they understood the logic of the doors only at the end.
The whole impression of the series was killed by this episode. And going out into the cold instead of a warm room just to go out somewhere is the height of idiocy and logic, of course...
Oh, my God, what physicists are like, how everyone just notices how smart everyone is. But they are extremely stuffy. If you don't like it, you want super authentic cinematography – it's in documentaries and scientific programs, please. There may be omissions, additions, no one claims to be super reliable. This is an art series) But as some little things, we do not see them at close range and we are outraged, although everything was said clearly and clearly in black and white. If you don't like it and don't look carefully that you're missing the moments, then don't look, please. Don't torture yourself and people with your comments ✨
It's funny that the physicist took it upon himself to explain to the psychologist about the influence of the subconscious mind on the choice of the door, and the psychologist explained physics about the electromagnetic fields of the box, which he also invented
a fairly obvious thought is that the control panel to this box is the mind of the person placed there. but in reality, it is impossible to predict how all this physics would work for 2 people. most likely, everyone would have their own box
The authors were too quick to give universal justice to all the right and guilty. The fingers of the multi-killer were chopped off. Heartless SEO got into multi-hell
1) if this is a borderline perception, how can it be the same for both? Even three of them
2) if there was no atmosphere in the 3rd world, how did they not lose their own, damn it? And anyway, judging by what was shown, they should have been incinerated immediately, through the door. I'm already silent about the sun, again hanging in a place where the planet would have been torn apart by tidal force long ago.
3) is it warmer in -50 in an unheated house? especially with a broken window. And it can be heated by a fireplace? having clogged the window with boards with slits in the finger ...
And in general, the characters begin to behave like morons. And somehow I don't feel like empathizing with morons. The rest of the series, almost nothing happens except for the chatter. Boring!
After explaining how navigation works, questions begin to appear about the worlds they entered in the beginning. And if the nuclear winter, the fall into the sun and the underground location can still be explained somehow by Amanda's panic, then how to explain the forest in the second and the dinosaurs in the fifth?
Who beat up Leighton from the alt universe? At the same time, without taking away his belongings. You could have shown 1 minute. And the finale looks like it's finally been leaked. Should I say thank you for not just "forgetting"?
And what happened to "our" Layton? Judging by the filing, did alt-Jay send him somewhere in an alternate world, offering to rewrite all the property for himself? But is it possible to transfer a trust fund to another name? And if you disappear after that, won't Dad and, as a result, the police have obvious questions? Although if not, they will show you more.
Further, how can alt-Jason trust Layton, how can he know him if "our" Jason seems to be radically different from himself? They don't stop demonstrating this, even in this episode when driving a son - where our son called for caution, this one behaves like an asshole cutting people off on the roads. And they literally tell him that the old Jason behaved diametrically differently?
In short, the further you go, the more everything crumbles.
personally, I'm watching it so far, I like it.
There is no problem in the existence of the box in any version of reality, or in its appearance in a specific place and at a specific time. It's just that we live in a reality where no one has ever invented just such a box and no one has moved into or out of this version of reality. But in our reality, the box is in a great series.
By the way, there is no problem with the existence of dumb characters in a parallel universe either.
Then, with thoughts about choosing the world for traveling, it would be necessary to be stronger / more precise. And not all this "think about the good" and "meditate as you can -... Crum Crum crum"
It's not a Drundel, but a mudd, but it's also neat 😅
"where does the box come from in those worlds where it was not invented?"
I wrote about the likely answer: the box just appears. There is no violation of causality in this, because this is a universe where the box just appeared on its own at that very moment. Similar to the Boltzmann brain.
Any other explanation is equally possible)
Everyone specializes in their field, someone will be able to create a vaccine, but will not be able to assemble a cabinet of pieces of wood, and someone processes wood and makes furniture, but does not fumble in physics.
The problem is not that the scriptwriters and the masses do not know physics well, but that the creators did not consult thoroughly with real physicists or ignored some data in favor of entertainment.
Was it right to write somewhere in the comments: hundreds of people are working on the film, and none of them are crazy about the nonsense that they are shooting, because there are simply no consultants nearby? This is an amazing degradation of minds in the world of cinema😁
Well, the argument "cannot show any country in the world on the map" - where does such information come from? Do you have survey data? If you approach the average Russian, there is also no guarantee that all countries will show 100 out of 100. For example, from my experience of traveling in Russia, I know that half of people confuse Tatarstan and Kazakhstan.
In general, it was just surprising to me that she explained the stupidity of the script by the poor education of the entire nation, and not by the stupidity of specific screenwriters. As if other countries don't write idiotic scripts, or as if there are no good American science fiction.
Well, the claim / surprise about the fact that, unexpectedly, the house turned out to be warmer than outside and they were able to keep warm from the fire in the fireplace is also absurd (The temperature was -50, which was not stated anywhere, from somewhere, such a blizzard could be at -5 and -10, or else that there is a frozen cat - a dead cat without blood circulation could freeze and be covered with ice even with a minimum minus). Well, even if you imagine that it was colder: in a village without heating, people live quietly in houses and barracks and in -40 with a stove and even with a simple stove.
//if anything, I also think that there are a lot of strange and stupid scenario decisions here and I agree with half of the claims, but small assholes for the sake of assholes with the passing belittlement of an entire nation to show that I am the smartest here, and other idiots are also strange.
Well, I think that the series was supposed to be not such a big minus, after all, it was just a commentator's assumption, the thermometer was not shown to us, no one entered gismeteo. They don't have particularly thick jackets, and their shoes are clearly not suitable for the harsh winter, at -50 (according to the assumption above), they would have frostbitten hard there at the first steps.
And I didn't write that they were smart, I said that it was stupid to accuse the whole nation of moronism because of the writers of some series. Well, the TV series in / about Chicago was filmed, where the standard winter temperature is not far from 0 degrees.
It's not really relevant to talk about the pole here, because the causes of a snowstorm and such weather in this world are unknown to us. Temperature conditions are also not clear.
And yes, the problem of the lack of good central heating is serious and very unpleasant. Once I also had to live in a room for a couple of days, in which it was only about +15-16 degrees, such a thing.
But here the characters still had no choice, as it were. In general, it was initially stupid that the heroine-psychologist freaked out and went somewhere in a snowstorm, so the fact that they spent the night in the house is not the biggest stupidity)
Yes, in general, Episode 4 made me facepalm so many times... I didn't expect this after the pilot. However, with such an effect, it is necessary to pour out emotions in words, and the example is usually given what is most remembered). In this case, it was a world without air, a giant sun and this strange show with flight into a blizzard and either gel or foam snow of a very strange texture). Against their background, much more stupid and even absurd things have receded from viewers who are inclined to analyze what is happening into the background simply because of the degree of stupefaction))).
I agree about the inadequate psychologist😁
1) It doesn't matter
2) They also lost, began to suffocate.
As for the sun, it is unclear what they showed us, what could have become of the sun so that it turned into a red giant in such a short time? Or is it not a red giant, but some kind of mega flash? In short, an incomprehensible moment.
3) Well, it's warmer than in a strong wind. And even more so with fire , it's a house.
And it wasn't -50 there - they would have turned into ice in the wind at -50 in 30 seconds. -10 maybe, since the fire helped them so much.
As for the boards with slits, they did not show that he hammered it with boards, which means he could have sealed the gap with anything. Anyway, it's not that important.
With Leighton, it's obvious that this is the groundwork for the next episode, and everything will be shown there. The same applies to our Leighton - they will show you and tell you further, I suppose.
"how can alt-Jason trust Layton, how can he know him if "our" Jason seems to be radically different from himself?- Well, kamon, he told a whole story that in his world Altleyton himself came to him and offered investments, he came to Jason, for which he is very grateful, and then they worked together for 10 years and as a result he created this cube.
Nothing is falling apart, the plot is certainly still in order, minor blunders with the laws of physics in altmires clearly do not outweigh the intrigue. Well, for me personally. I'm just watching the series, not to dig into the little things in the comments later)
I have even more questions, but... it was enough to say that it was fantasy and everyone would be satisfied with everything.
Although they did not suffocate after the sun (it was after the collapse of the building from the dust), and at -10 Amanada would not have started to fall asleep in 5 minutes, and life would not have died out. The cat in the basement was frozen damn! (And by the way, if they heated the house, it should have thawed and started to stink!) The boards and cracks are visible in the scene by the fireplace the next morning. Ah, the hell with you! Let's hush it up. We just have a different threshold of "I don't believe it!", although I'm not a riveter at all, it's just that there are very big holes for me. Perhaps it also plays a role that I am a writer myself and have learned to justify everything. And the series makers clearly don't care.
1) they do not affect the plot in any way
2) these are just conventions, details of the entourage that were not twisted enough, but which can be easily twisted in your head, because it is clear what the authors wanted to say in general: there is a snow-covered planet, there is a house on it, the heroes hid there somehow, then the heroes lost the cube, after searching they found it and they got out of there.
Don't make a tragedy out of it. Although when you really want to criticize, it's certainly difficult to do.)
The entourage can be cheap, for example, as in "Guest from the Future" in 1985. There are no complaints here. But the entourage in this series is expensive and not random. They did all this exactly according to the authors' idea, and they put the cracks and the cat there, they did not materialize there themselves.
As for the cat, she stupidly died of hunger, not from the cold.
In any case, it's only for minor details that I personally find it funny to discuss this in all seriousness))
If we abstract from all the inconsistencies described above, we can enjoy a small variety of the worlds shown (it's better than nothing).
Since this is exactly what I was waiting for, I watched the episode with pleasure.
And then it turned out how navigation works, and I realized that I definitely wouldn't have survived in the world of this series.
пойду лучше скользящих пересмотрю, лучше уже видимо не будет
Here, real shoals began to be poured from the heart, so there will be no dubious ones
They will need to take psychotropic drugs again to get back into the tunnel with doors.
That's how they get into a superposition under the influence of the drug. As it ends, they fall out of the superposition state and just end up in a box.
And here's the attention, the question! What's in the black box? ...
oh, oh, it's from another opera.
What's outside the black box?)
Although, of course, the trick is that relative to them, the whole world outside the box is still in superposition until the door is opened.
An interesting point, maybe this is described in more detail in the book.
By the way, King has a story "Long Jont", which describes teleportation, but at the same time a person must be unconscious at the time of transfer so that "consciousness " does not hang in "quantum infinity "yu.
But on the whole, it's amazing how this house didn't get swept up earlier, if such blizzards are raging there..
Всё-таки существование контейнера во всех вселенных глупость. Если в одной вселенной он на месте парка, например или на дне океана? Всем пофиг?
И если контейнер в одной вселенной взорвать - он перестанет существовать в других?
ГГ из второй вселенной ближе к антигерою, чем антагонисту. Ведь правда мог просто первую версию себя завалить и никто бы не узнал. И выбросил его в свой мир, а не в какой-нибудь постапокалиптический.
Буду ржать, если в итоге они решат добровольно поменяться вселенными)
Да-да, и ещё на вопрос "Что за хрень" отвечает "Не знаю", хотя даже я догадалась =))
I wanted to joke that they just need to wait for Snowpiercer and Connelly will be there, and Layton will be nicer there))
- Нененене, я об этом не думал, это случайность, я не такой!.
The best series so far.
As for the incomprehensible worlds, they explained that they are influenced by the emotional state. Jason is depressed that he is not with his family, the accumulated stress from the whole situation is obvious, the adrenaline from escaping. There are post-shocks and storms all around.
Why did the lady run into the storm - she freaked out. She explained it in plain text. The borderline state of superposition affects the psyche, which is why she was in the project to train people like a psychologist. But the area has not been studied, so it was not ready for these jumps either.
My only serious complaint is alt Jason, his motivation and behavior. He spat on his son (even if not his own), again he wants money and research. Why the hell would he need someone else's family at all, was there really no more suitable world in the multiverse, where Connelly was without children, for example, and Jason himself had money. This is a damn multiverse and there should be billions of options where they are together.
I thought he had another reason, but they persistently force us to do exactly what he just wants Connelly, and in his own world, for some idiotic reasons, he would not have succeeded with her. Although it clearly showed that she still has feelings for him and she quickly rushed into bed with another Jason. So maybe it's easier to couple therapy, rather than creating a means of moving between universes?
This is in fact a classic reverse trope: usually a character thinks that he wants money and fame, but it turns out that he is not happy about it, and he just wanted love. On the contrary, this hero, being rich, most likely felt that something was missing in his life (family, love) + midlife crisis + I've been thinking all my life about whether he did the right thing then, so I decided to check it out. And, perhaps, having received a family, he realized that in fact he is like that - driven by science and ambition. And regret about Connelly, which pushed him to do all this - well, a person like that is always not enough that he has, even if he has a lot of money and influence, did not get it in his world, decided to take it away in another.
It's like an operation is impossible without pain relief, because a person can die from pain shock, but as long as the nerve endings are affected by pain relief, the patient can be conscious and even watch as he is cut.
If they continue to wander them through the universes, it's just some kind of Sliding Ones that couldn't get into their world for a bunch of seasons. Oh, I still remember the moment from there with the creaking gate ((
Well, the feeling that at some point there will be a world where both sons are alive, and the hero's dilemma on this topic.
Тоже об этом думала!
But as some little things, we do not see them at close range and we are outraged, although everything was said clearly and clearly in black and white. If you don't like it and don't look carefully that you're missing the moments, then don't look, please. Don't torture yourself and people with your comments ✨