s01e03 — The Box

@alavitka: I think gg was afraid that if he told the truth, they would decide that he was useless to them and kill him. And while he was silent, he was interesting. Or maybe, on principle, he didn't want to tell the assholes who killed Daniella for nothing.

@DeadDanny: I like the second option better. It also explains why he threw his fists at Leighton in the "interrogation room". However, they did not pull the owl on the globe in the sense that the wife did not notice that it was completely different, so I hope this will also be explained somehow. He should tell Amanda after that. If she doesn't figure it out herself as a psychiatrist who cohabited with sabzh.

@alavitka: so he told her about everything behind the scenes, we were only shown how she left the room dumbfounded and believed in everything

@Some shit: No, there was nothing behind the scenes. She guessed it from his words, which were fully shown to us. "What if I'm not me, but the one everyone thinks I am?" He did not plan to confide in her, because he did not know and did not trust her, he just blabbed, carried away by thinking out loud. Throughout the scene before, he just decided to take advantage of their belief that he was their Jason to find out as much information as possible.

@Tuliackbaev: Hmm, as an option. But encrypted, without money or connections.. Maybe he went to the third universe and solved everything there, and then he went to the second.

@Tuliackbaev: So did he come out of some kind of box in this world?

@Tuliackbaev: So did he come out of some kind of box in this world?

@krook: I think you don't need a box to get out in another world, but to switch places, he just built a new one for all 14 months

@krook: Ну за день, ну за неделю - но не полтора года же он следил за ним) А если так - почему палится на каждом шагу?

@Lighthouse012: И так, и не так. Конечно не зря он нам про Шредингера говорил в начале. Но разветвление вселенных может начаться только с момента постройки самого куба. Он априори не может попасть во вселенную, где куба не существует. Иначе и кот Шредингера мог бы оказаться во вселенной где нет ни коробки, ни Шредингера, ни самого кота) Что попахивает путешествиями во времени и это не хорошо.

@-VLDMR-: So I didn't say that. The cat is in another universe because of the experiment. If there is no experiment, then neither the cat nor the box will appear in the parallel universe. There can be no branching of the universes from the fact of building a cube. Let's go back to the cat. The scientist took out a box. Did that make two cats and two boxes? Only when the scientist took the box, prepared everything, planted the cat and performed the experiment. At that moment, two universes appeared. Then the scientist finished the experiment, opened the box, let's say the cat is alive. He took out the cat, showed it to the public, that's it. But at the same time, in another universe, a scientist opened a box, took out a cat and it turned out to be dead, showed the public everything, too. We have two cats and two boxes. This idea has been complicated here. The scientist enters the box, knocks himself out to eliminate the effects of the observed. Gets into a superposition state. That is, it exists and does not exist in all universes at once. Finds the right universe. He enters it through the door of the box🤔

The only thing that confuses me. In theory, if a scientist has moved to another dimension, then the box should move with him. If they return to the cat again, the boxes are separated due to different experimental outcomes. That is, in one case, the experiment was unsuccessful and the gg remained in the box. In the second, the experiment was successful and gg moved to another universe. In theory, he should move with the box in this case. We also say that the experiment ended successfully, but at the same time the box remained in the world where the experiment began🤔

@Lighthouse012: either the creators here simplified the idea to a simple portal without strict reference to real physics, or they have to explain it somehow (but this is unlikely, judging by the way the plot is being built)

@albinka_: It's already cool for me to just pick at it. They don't have to explain, the fans will come up with a better idea anyway.

@Lighthouse012: Каждую миллисекунду появляются новые вселенные, но только с момента постройки куба (или коробки с котом). Нельзя попасть во вселенную, где это так и не изобрели или не посадили кота в коробку) Единственный вариант - втайне этот куб делался его стрёмным другом и офигенным актером Джимми Симпсоном. Надеюсь нормально разрулят.

@-VLDMR-: The fourth episode still cancels your option. The box is constant and unchangeable in the infinity of worlds.

@Hidji: Ну и фиг с ними :) Я не о том, как оно в фильме, а о том, как должно быть. Нельзя попасть в место, которого нет)

@Hidji: and why write this in the comments for the third series?

@Paramelion: because this is a minor detail mentioned briefly in context. Moreover, many did not notice even after viewing, either simply ignoring such a detail, or continuing to insist on the opposite. So it is absolutely immaterial in the comment to which series to write it.

@anpotapenko: Это единственное, что пришло мне в голову тоже. НО! Кейс с ампулами и инъектором Аманда взяла тут же, на стенде, рядом с коробкой. Если он там висел, да ещё и испытания целые этой "Лавандовой Феи" проводились, вероятно, Лейтон не знал не этого, а что делать потом.

@anpotapenko: so why didn't he ask her for a whole year for any technology in moving?) even here the screenwriters did not think through

@Tiinsa: А, ну да, действительно, логично. Просто вопрос директора был слишком общо сформулирован.

@alavitka: as soon as he escaped for the first time after returning, it was necessary to block his access in full. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the second escape was staged, and the psychiatrist is a sent-off Cossack.

@It_is_different: the fingers were also staged, apparently)

@Paramelion: the staging does not always go strictly according to plan)

@alavitka: if they go to the first one from the entrance, it will at least be logical).

@alavitka: as I understand it, there will be only 9 episodes, because there is no information about the 10th anywhere...

@6o4ka: Тем более.

@-VLDMR-: The universes are endless

@КакойтоХрен: В этом и вопрос - как он его построил? Из говна и палок? И если в первой вселенной он его так и не построил, то как в нее вышел? Даже если вакцину принес с собой (раз свою одежду отдал, значит в ней и появился, не как терминатор) То откуда сам куб? Приятель его ученый - мутный тип) Может он и построил его в первой вселенной.

@-VLDMR-: perhaps you don't need a cube to go out into the world, but it could be built with only knowledge, the technologies are about the same already exist in both worlds. The intrigue is big and there are many questions, I hope they will be answered beautifully.

@Some shit: I suspect that the cube does not need to be built. It immediately begins to exist in all universes where a person who has traveled in a box goes out. Like Schrodinger's cat. He is both dead and alive. That is, there are two boxes, one is dead and the other is alive. But no one created two boxes. There was only one box, but the choice of which universe to go to bred it

@Lighthouse012: an interesting theory 👍

@Lighthouse012: There were two boxes at the time of the experiment, after all. The reality in which the box was created was divided into two - in one they created a box and the cat died, in the other they created a box and the cat survived. But if you look at the chronology, before the experiment, all events in both worlds coincided identically and the box was created in both worlds. And after getting the cat, the events in these worlds will already differ.

It works strangely here, not like in Schrodinger's experiment. It feels like they just dragged it in as the most famous example of quantum entanglement, but in fact they made a portal to other worlds.

In the experiment about the cat, he was put in the created box initially, and taken out of it either dead or alive. It's not like in one world he was taken out of a created box alive, and in another world he just materialized in this box in a completely different world in the middle of a cabbage field dead.
In theory, the gg who entered the box could only come out in the universe where another gg also created this box. They could switch places and live in different ways from now on.

@albinka_: here, in my opinion, there is a fundamental mistake in understanding. Before the experiment, there were no two boxes in which two cats were put. There is a primordial universe. An experiment with a box was tested in it. An experiment was launched and at that moment the primordial universe split into two. In the first one, the cat survived. The second time, the cat died. In both universes we have a live Schrodinger, our own box and a cat)

But if you watch the series, then the X event here is a choice in favor of the wife. That is, 15 years ago there was a splitting of the worlds. One chose a career, the other a family.

15 years have passed. A careerist creates a box. He is conducting an experiment. And here I have the main question about the operation of the mechanism. If it makes a successful move, should the box move? Here, the experiment with the cat is at odds with the series. If Schrodinger's cat simply split the universes into two, then gg from the series went further. He has entered a state of superposition, that is, he can enter any universe related to his (and is it only his?) elections at the same time. It seems to me that the box should not be preserved in the world from which he travels, but it has been preserved. My head is breaking here.😅

@albinka_: or he enters this box and appears in a world where she does not exist, and thus the worlds are again divided into the one where she still does not exist and the one in which she appeared. And in fact, each movement generates a new endless tree of worlds. This means that the doors will be different, then in general it's a kick-ass, And having a corridor with fixed doors, we actually really got a portal to other worlds, superposition is not applicable here. What was similar there, it's not even Sliders, but rather Faces or something like that.

@krook: You never know what he was writing down there. Especially from what he allegedly did himself. And in fact, we see that he does not know ANYONE from his inner circle at all, except for the best friend of his alter ego, not to mention a slightly more distant circle. The preparatory work is a complete failure. Let's say at the level of one or F, as you like). And they tell us that this man is a genius, which is why he is not at all from the category of absent-minded smart guys, but from the category of Tony Stark, etc.

@Some shit: well, like a year has passed. Then a year ago, maybe she was happy with her ex, so he freaked out.

@Some shit: most likely in the good year she was bribed by sincerity and some kind of defenselessness, and the second one, who is a villain, may have come like this: I'm sorry for the past, I I love you, I want to be together after a lot of years!" :D )

@albinka_: maybe. They are completely different people)

@id140630607: dear, here the plot itself screams about adventures in parallel worlds, I don't even need to strain with the drum. If you don't get it, blame your poor fantasy, not me.

@evil_tsar: I don't remember either. It would be necessary to reread the book, it is interesting to compare it with the TV series. But for now, I like everything.

@McLom: because I've been reading it for a long time. And this is not the only book in my library, I read a lot, it's impossible to remember all the details, but the key points are yes.

@iamanatoly: considering how freely primary sources are being treated now, these changes are quite small☺️

@brisco: I agree, but I like the book version with the moment when gg slept with his wife after all.2. At least, such a moment adds food for discussion, is it considered treason? :)

@iamanatoly: Yes. This is not his wife, but her version.

@AndreyChernyaev: But that Jason doesn't have a son. So he couldn't have set the same password either. Not?

@dslava: so there was a father's birthday because. They certainly have one father, and at this moment the branch was the same.

@AtomicTroll: they talked to him calmly, besides, he knew this black guy, they treated him like a boss. If he had listened to the rest, he could have understood what was happening faster.
Well, in general, summing up all the actions: the character is presented as very impulsive and unrestrained, and not rational and reasonable. But at the same time, if he was so afraid of the kidnappers, he didn't care at the exhibition and didn't worry that he would be found, and then hung out with his ex, not really worried about setting her up.
It feels like the escape was originally made more for drama, and the murder even more so. A black psycho mercenary killed a guy by accident, the police are prowling around, and at the same time this mercenary was left in the office anyway, and not sent on some kind of temporary vacation. What's wrong with the body is not clear at all. Has everything been cleaned up? Did anyone hear the shots? But in principle, the plot doesn't give a shit about it, because gg still leaves this world at the end of the series.

@albinka_: well, Kamon, a guy was attacked in a doorway, drugged, and then some guy you haven't talked to for many years interrogates you in an aquarium in front of other people and asks strange questions. Naturally, he was scared and thought it was unclear what

@AtomicTroll: Okay, I don't deny that in this situation it was possible to think it was unclear what. The sequence of events that have happened is bothering me. It all looks like a dubious scenario, that's all.

+ another question for the guard who let gg out of the building. Their boss disappeared a year ago, did not appear on the spot for so long, and this guard, seeing gg for the first time in all this time, was stunned LEAVING the building with some cuts on his face. Oh, did you forget your card? Let me let you out. This is also at least doubtful.

In short, I have complaints rather not about the reaction of the hero, but about all the plot moves. They're kind of clumsy.

@albinka_: there is such a thing, gg is generally shown to be extremely stupid in the first episodes, it's good that they didn't pull the rubber with a misunderstanding of the situation, it still seems to me that it was done for the sake of drama.

@Hidji: I didn't ask about 14 months because I was thinking about surveillance. The dude was just settling into this world. I was looking for sources of income (and he is not in trouble), I was preparing an operation to transfer a double to another dimension, I was watching his family in order to gently integrate into it without arousing suspicion.

About the cats. There was also a modification of this example with cats. The cats were just waiting for their fate. One survived, one died, that's it. They could not influence it in any way. Here, gg somehow managed to get into a state of superposition. He both exists and does not exist in all available worlds. He became a schrodinger himself and is free to choose which world to enter. I repeat, the cat was helpless and depended on whether the vial of poison would break through or not. Gg is able to look at everything as if from the outside. He understands the principle of the experiment and the choice in which dimension he finds himself depends on him🤔

@Lighthouse012: The superposition of the classic with a dead man suits the series Constellation. And here gg is alive and there are an infinite number of possible worlds. And he even knows the exact moment at which the divergence of these two worlds specifically occurred - the decision to leave the child. As for the surveillance, I wrote above that there was nothing like that, otherwise he would have known the main current information about the family, and not found out along the way after the substitution. This is a straight base, there is no way to turn it out with explanations. At this point, stupidity is off the scale).

@albinka_: There is a primordial world. An experiment with which is being conducted in it. The moment the box closes, the universe splits into two. In the first universe, after the end of the experiment, the box is opened and the cat is alive. In the second universe, after the end of the experiment, the box is opened and the cat is dead. Here are two boxes and two cats for you)

@Lighthouse012: Yes, it's obvious. After all, before splitting, there was a box in both worlds (which was one world before splitting). In one reality, it was built, the box was opened and the cat was found dead, in another it was built, the box was opened and the cat was found alive, i.e.
But in none of these worlds is there a cat that appeared out of thin air dead without the participation of a scientific laboratory that would conduct this experiment.
The cat exists in both worlds at the same time dead and alive only because it is in a box in both worlds.

That is, let's say you have a choice now, to watch an episode of this series, or to watch a series of Desperate Housewives, at the moment of this choice two worlds are created, in one you watch Dark Matter, in the other housewives. But there is a clear point of departure - you sit down at your laptop and choose what to watch.
But not without having access to the Internet at the moment, including to these series, these two worlds are impossible in any case. Or to you in a parallel universe (in which you are a slave on a tea plantation), suddenly a laptop with the Internet materializes in front of you, because a character from one universe chose to watch dark matter, so there must be someone (you are different) who is currently watching housewives? :D

@albinka_: there were no two worlds before the split, there was one world, and after the experiment it split. There was no box initially, moreover there was no world initially, until someone decided to exit it in this version of the world. At that moment, a version of the world appeared with a box already existing in it, from which someone came out)

@Tiinsa: that is, the main character we are watching did not exist before, but was simply generated at the time of the release of G.2 from the box of his world? And at the same time, his "past, different from the past of years.2" was also "generated at this moment?

Then a moral dilemma arises, which consists in the fact that gg.2 created gg.1 with his experiment and, in theory, can take away his wife, child and life in general, and logically it is difficult to condemn him for this, because without gg.2 he would still not be There was, and the past that he remembers didn't exist either...

In Schrodinger's theory, it was precisely the moment of splitting that was supposed to be a turning point, creating worlds with different outcomes (in this case, for example, it could be that in one world gg leaves the box and goes to continue experiments, and in another he goes to his ex, confesses his love and they they build a happy life). And how it is possible to split one world and create a second one with a different past - I don't really imagine yet.
Otherwise, it could be that in one world a cat who was in a superposition in a box is taken out dead, and in another the cat comes out of the box alive, and discovers that he himself became a scientist in this world, because 10 years before he decided to go to college, and refused to sit in the box.
Anyway, these are all theories and thought experiments.

Well, an interesting question arises, how did G.2 come out into exactly the kind of world that he needed (in which he made the right choice) - just because he wanted it and presented such a world?

@Tiinsa: we were told in the series that an infinite number of parallel worlds exist all the time and new ones appear literally every moment when a person makes a decision. For example, as I decided to go to the store, a bunch of variations of the development of events immediately appeared: I went out, forgot my phone, returned. I went out and a brick fell on my head, or a car hit me, or I successfully got off and returned, or a meteorite fell to earth at that moment and so on indefinitely. That is, absolutely all the probabilities that can happen, they happen in different worlds at this moment in time

@What kind of shit: the question remains, how do they get out of the box into the world if there was no box in the world? )
Z.Y. To look for logic and scientific substantiation in the series trying to si-fi the task is still))))

@Tiinsa: that's why we love them 😁 well, supposedly the box both exists and does not exist in all worlds, but in fact appears physically at the moment when someone opens the door of the cube)