The series managed to surprise both with the ending and the number of deaths in the entire episode. First, Dox and her team, then Ravonna, and if her death could still be predicted somehow, because Sylvie took control of X-5, then Victor's result turned out to be as unexpected as possible.
I was confused by the moment when Sylvie attacked Mobius over a pie, saying that he begged her to come here. I don't remember anything like that, in the last episode, Sylvie didn't go into TV at all, even the portal was closed. Did she come through her time pad or something? What kind of a passageway is there in general.
But how well the cyclicity of everything and everything is once again shown here - S and Victor, figuring out what happened before, Loki, killing himself to save himself. Cool.
@Leyto: So yes, in the first episode he sawed himself out of all the lines using a stick-killer. And it seemed to me that using this stick on Loki killed him just the same, and then Loki was pulled out. I completely forgot that the stick actually sends into a timeless Void, which means Ravonna must be alive. I got confused in general.
And I didn't understand the moment with Loki. In the first episode, he hit himself with a stick and returned to the last one. Why did he come back instead of going to purgatory? And Ravonna, who was hit with a stick, also got into purgatory?
@DiKEY999: Because in the first series, O.B. messed up the device to stop Loki jumping in time and stabilize him in the "present", Mobius shot like a harpoon into the Time Machine, Loki from the first series had a green button lit up and he had to slap himself with a stick, that was the plan. If the O.B. device had not been on Loki from the first series, which jumped in time, calibrated, then he, in theory, would also have gone into the Void, like everyone who is being hit with a stick. Unless of course it still works that way, and nothing has changed because of the death of someone and the "release" of timelines.
@DiKEY999: I have two explanations for this: the scriptwriters came up with this, but they didn't come up with the rest, and the process of pulling Loki out of the lines (using the device S) was that it had to be pulled out exactly at the moment of splitting. Ravonna was not pulled, but simply split. P.S. Actually, ForeverLannister already answered while I was writing a comment.
@gkalian: When Sylvia ran over Loki and Mobius, she seemed to be talking about Episode 2 when they convinced her at McDonald's. She had a timer, and she came with it. There is no passageway - you can't get in without a device. In Episode 1 itself, Loki needed to be erased at the right moment, and someone erased him. We have now seen exactly who it was.
Oh, these dialogues from "Back to the Future" XD About "the layout is not in scale and there was only one paint." Miss Minits with her crippy look is divine.
Minutemen: 🟧 Miss Minutes: 😃 Minutemen: 🔸 Miss Minutes: 😃
And her last efforts to tell Victor "you're shit" were just hung up.
Victor's sudden agitation was very sudden. Like the finale.
By the way, since when did the killing sticks begin not to teleport to the end of time, but to kill?
@Zy4: that's why I don't like this whole bunch of parallel universes and time travel, because you can write off any game at all to another reality, and at the moment when Loki was "killed", there were no emotions at all, because the first thought was "here we go again...", after all, one was killed, but how many of them are still running in parallel universes, why worry?
@vs40: the moment Loki was killed was a repeat of the very first episode. If he had a "stick", he would have deleted himself long ago when the device turned green.
@Zy4: but TVA doesn't have versions. It is timeless and one. I have no idea at all what will happen next, 0 options. In my opinion, everything is completely broken
This is probably the best episode of the season. Corpses are mountains, Hopelessness is coming, horror, And time loops where there is no time as such ... And even a cliffhanger in the bombastic series .... Although I don't really imagine how it will be possible to solve everything in the remaining 2 series without turning the plot into jumping on pianos in the bushes
It means that Wangyu either did not die, but was sent at the right time to eventually become a Kang from last season, or he died in the form of disassembly for spare parts so that the Kang from the first season could be brought back to life. It's not for nothing that Kang left instructions in relation to the Timeline.
Amazing ending! The whole series was waiting for some kind of trick from Victor, but it turned out this way, I even felt sorry for him. I'm looking forward to the next episode!
Powerful cliffhanger. Miss Minutka at the end is quite straight evil, with such pleasure she watched the death of TVA employees.. even as she still squeezed out a phrase to Victor.
With Victor unexpectedly, after his "Time to be brave" I thought it would really save the situation.
Now it's clear why the first three episodes were so relaxed.... How I fucked up from the scene of the team killing through the box, the soundtrack raised this scene to a new level
Remind me why Sylvia in the last episode sent Ravonna and Miss Minutka to the end of the vermin, if they have a Tempad and they easily came back and messed up things?
That's what hung us in the ending! It is clear that the heroes will somehow get out, but how? It would be interesting for me to see them in ordinary lives, where they start catching strange flashbacks from TV and don't understand what's going on at all. The series itself is not straight fire, but there are cool moments - and tense, and cute, and even a little shocking. Loki is cool - he's sandbagging his past again and, as per Dumbledore's testament, chooses not what's easy, but what's right)) I'm just waiting for the next episode!
I think Kang went to the very beginning. No wonder Miss Minutka said that he would never become one, it seems to me that he will become one, and this will be the cliffhanger of the series. It turns out that this kang is the same "the one who will stay". Maybe the trace of the series will just reveal it already, and what happened to Loki and the others will be left for a series later.
Victor Timely actually turned out to be quite good. There were many moments when I thought he would become He Who Remains (or at least do something that would lead him down this path), but in the end he's just a man fascinated and a little scared by everything that's going on. Pity him.
- I was living in your engineeric descriptions. - Me? The way you explained the electric bypass system... - The bypass... - The poetry, just poetry. - Guys, sorry to break up this bromance, but can we fix now and sign later?
I really liked his interaction with Casey and O.B. (science dork trio), as well as with D-90.
The scary scene of the murder of Dox and her people, courtesy of Miss Minutka, it's good that it wasn't shown. It was much worse to hear and imagine that they were dying.
Sylvie, in fact, acts as a reminder of how Loki would have responded to problems, disappointments and difficulties in the past. She's the epitome of everything he's outgrowing, and every conversation they've had this season proves that point. "Love Triangle" is not about Loki's feelings for Sylvia or Mobius, but about his inner struggle to grow and become better without betraying his inner self.
Loki followed her because he felt that he needed to explain everything to her for the sake of Mobius. Mobius and Loki met eyes before he left, showing that they understood each other without saying a word. If Loki had come to his defense right away, Sylvie wouldn't have listened to another word. He behaved thoughtfully and maturely, clearly knowing what he was doing. I'm proud of him.
- Trying to fix what's broken is hard. Hope is hard.
He could have been a lot softer, after all, Tom Hiddleston can make his eyes shine with unshed tears and give out a desperate tone in his voice when he wants, and yet Loki was calm and collected, which is just the complete opposite of his scenes with Sylvie in the first season, where he seemed to be one step behind her. Also, in pirogland, as for me, there was no kind of shipping tension. We could have ended up (instead of the oh*** ing "WE ARE GODS" ahhh) with a sit-down over cake and tea or more relaxed poses towards each other, but no. Loki leaves Sylvie again.
It's not about the pie, but the fact that he is trying to distract himself rather and even ignore what is happening, trying to cope with the situation and maintain determination, but from the outside he may look a little insensitive. Mobius is clearly afraid to find out who he was, and "does not allow himself to think about sad things." I wonder how hard he tries to put aside any thoughts or feelings he might have about being an option, but it continues to haunt him (first Brad, now Sylvie). Lives on timelines are still abstract for him, and those who really have relationships and have lived on timelines outside of TVA remind him of this.
The visual is as always amazing in the series. Mobius is light, Sylvie is darkness, Loki is in the middle. PURE CINEMA.
The last scene of the hopeless ending is gorgeous, so terrifically beautiful. Judging by all the previews& teasers, Mobius was a jet ski salesman, B-15 was a doctor, and Casey was a handyman (?). Apparently, Loki will pull them out of his timelines himself? Just tell them straight out everything that's going to happen? In any case, he will travel in time. Will the Infinity Stones go into action, since the silencers of magic do not work? The remaining episodes are really intriguing.
@krook: So it seems that the Stones there for another reason do not furychat. Including the very concept of the flow of time there seems to be no. So the time stone might not have worked there
@Raidan: Why aren't they freaking out? In theory, the same jammer neutralized them as Loki's magic. I turned off the jammer, stop the time, do everything with the multiplier and the weaver and start the time - it would be a great plan.
@Shikisen_Hishune: You have such cool comments with character analysis, attention to detail. Aren't you a regular at the fikbook by any chance? (Maybe even the author of ff on Loki?) Usually you read such interesting comments with a departure into the psychology of characters on a ficbook))
How epic everyone shows, knowing that it will have no effect on the main universe.Loki is a good isolated project, but it cannot exist inside the KVM, therefore it has no influence.By the end, as usual, everything will be sorted out through the pianos and everything will return to normal, and Loki will be forgotten again until the next season / secret Wars
@mandrygin95: already has. Kang is the main villain of the entire Saga, at the level of Thanos. We saw his version in the ant. And considering that we are waiting for "Avengers: Kang Dynasty", the actions of this series are an obvious prehistory of this film. I wouldn't even be surprised if the season finale is an even more powerful cliffhanger than this one. It is quite possible that the multiverse will be restored in the Avengers.
@tarasalk: nothing happened to the multiverse, it's a meaningless cliffhanger.It existed before the weaver and before kang, so destroying the weaver will lead to nothing.Kang became a global villain only after season 1 of Loki, just as quickly he can become a rogue.Due to the observational quantomania and the problems with Majors' law, "Kang Dynasty" may not exist at all as a solo Avengers film.So Loki still doesn't affect anything and is unlikely to, because the script was written before Kang became the main villain, and there were no global reshoots.Therefore, Loki is a secret invasion of a higher rank, a good and isolated series that does not pretend to develop the global plot of the KVM.
@mandrygin95: Something has already happened to the multiverse. There used to be one universe, now there are many. The destruction of the weaver will lead to an infinite number of universes. The fact that Kang would become the main villain began to be talked about long before Loki's release. The actor Majors can be replaced or even drawn. In quantomania, there were such variants in the post-credits scene that they didn't even look like the original. Canceling the much-hyped Avengers movie is a "super idea." For me, it's the fact that Marvel has one big universe that makes it very interesting and sets it apart from others, especially DC with its films cut out of context and endless restarts. Therefore, Loki simply has to be included in the main KVM. Where does the information about the script come from? On the contrary, Marvel thinks 10 steps ahead, and the infinity saga shows it perfectly. They started telling us about Thanos and the stones long before the final battle. The same thing happens with Kang.
@tarasalk: We're probably thinking about different Marvels.
Back when Thanos was around, they really thought. Now it's enough to open any new Marvel series and realize that other guys are already doing it. Yes, the same secret invasion that broke through any bottom.
And no, Majors will not be able to "replace" or "draw", it's not for nothing that rumors have already gone that they want to switch villains to Duma. Because everything is falling apart on the move.
And Loki will remain 100% a separate series without any special influences, or they will use it for later to reboot their own KVM shoals. Everything screams that the nails have shattered.
Loki is a good series at the moment, but overall there is no hope for the future yet.
@VioletShiny: The bottom has nothing to do with the multiverse. Even if you play any characters, even if you think, even if you don't know how to do it, you'll get a turd. Therefore, it makes no sense to radically change all plans. It makes sense to change scriptwriters and directors. I don't see an argument why Majors can't be replaced or drawn. Technically, there are no problems here. Again, I don't see any arguments about Loki. Where is someone shouting? Video bloggers or something? Yes, they just need to release content, there are 100,500 theories :)
As for me, it's precisely if Loki and Kanga merge and introduce xs from where Doom came from - that's the collapse of the KVM. That's what DC does, and we see what it leads to.
@tarasalk: It's just that I think it's a common practice, or something like that.. when they seem to catch up with a mega "seed" in the series, but then they quickly cover it up, and as a result, the series remains isolated. For some reason, it seems that this will be the case.
You look at it and you see a mega idea, but it's like it's still paradoxically local, and if they don't remember it in subsequent films, then obviously that's the end of it..
If I'm not mistaken, Loki season 3 will also be here, and it will probably become clearer definitively, and when the fight with the new Avengers begins..
@tarasalk: Feige himself said that the role of Kang as the main antagonist of the new saga was chosen only after the success of the first season of Loki and the excellent performance of the Majors.Right now, Marvel doesn't think through anything in 10 steps, but works according to circumstances, so it won't be difficult to remove Kang.News has already spread that if the problems with Majors are not resolved, the studio plans to replace the actor and/or replace the villain, one of the possible options is Doom.Replacing the Kang dynasty with the Doom dynasty is not a problem, and in secret wars, so Doom was supposed to be the main villain.
@mandrygin95: I don't understand what the problem is with leaving Kang as the villain, but replacing him with another actor. Like kamon, they showed us Loki the crocodile last season, and then there's Loki the woman. Or should Kang look the same everywhere?🤔🤷🏻♀️
@id1131572: well, there's a lot of stuff superimposed, actually, the story with Majors is a drop in the ocean, we need to blame someone for the losses, why not Kanga) Like, let's change the villain - and the MCU will get better right away! Although, of course, villains are weak characters in 90% of cases.
It would be possible to finish the season with such a finale. And in the end, it turns out that everything is cyclical. Loki will not return to earth 616, and in the next season he will again fight against Kang season 1
That 's what went wrong 👁👄👁 I suggest not to restore. Let's end the KVM on this, it will hardly be better.
A great dark series, the paradoxes are solid, but something fell into place: the magic still works, just the jammers were standing. What kind of music on the end credits is cool.
Yeah, the series is just gorgeous). And at the same time, for both seasons, leaving maximum bewilderment from some moments, even the analysis above in the comments did not convince).
The series finale is just a bomb, if it was in the season finale, then a nervous breakdown of some viewers would be inevitable😅 And also the expression on Miss Minutka's face when compressing the prisoners is something😁
in general, there is zero empathy for all this, non-existent quasi-people out of time kill each other for the sake of some lengthy ideas about parallel universes. ugh. I'm probably stupid, but I've long ceased to understand what's going on and why. here's an example of a bang-bang, the very concept of time is destroyed, everything has come to an end.
@tarasalk: you know, there is a movie meme: the higher the stakes, the lower the stakes. when something small, understandable and tangible is at stake in the plot — for example, a favorite carpet or an express for the Boston Celtics match — then the feelings and emotions of the characters are clearer and it is easier to empathize with them. and when the drama is that one part of the Multiverse Bureaucracy wants to cut the branches of the timeline, and the other part does not want to, and because of this we are trying to kill/save a person from the past, who does not participate in this in any way, but is critically needed to fix a Magical Thing that processes the pure energy of time into a single sacred timeline because its breakdown threatens the complete destruction of the multiverse reality — here it somehow becomes p+p 🤷♂️
@sviraman: it's not clear why you're watching Marvel at all then. There are high stakes at every turn. Thanos alone is worth something, who destroyed half of living beings.
@tarasalk: Thanos' plan was quite clear and straightforward. and yes, when your villain destroys half of living beings, including half of the main stars of the franchise, suspicions creep in that you can not worry too much.
so it is here: you have a universal magic thing exploded, class, and what's next? two more episodes, and then five TV series and eight films. hmm, yes, it seems that this case is fixable.
(and I watch Marvel because it's a cool attraction; and specifically this series is also because of the aesthetics and some of the actors)
and in general, an organization that keeps a dusty car in the same room with prisoners deserves... this is it... everything that happens... whatever it is
That's wrapped up so wrapped up) The feeling of waiting for the continuation at the maximum It's a pity for the guys who were killed with a cube, a terrible death (
I read the comments and wonder why everyone liked it so much. Shtosh, now I'll grab the cons, but I can't help but speak out. I don't impose my opinion on anyone, I just see it that way.
What the choicest nonsense, my God, this is straight classic Disney of the fourth phase, with running circles around one of the McGuffins that appeared out of nowhere. Trampling on one empty point in this series was especially striking. Which was interspersed with classic Marvel jokes in the spirit of a friendly skirmish. Back and forth comedy. Banter, if you will. How this brand of comedy is already on the teeth.
Chekhov's gun hung in the first episode with Sylvie in the elevator fired a blank. Why was it, for what? Like look, we also know how to vibbley-wobbley timey-wim staff to do. Only there was literally nothing behind this feint. The conflicts and dialogues in the series were only to stall for time and were a transfusion from empty to empty.
One more moment. When Loki runs out and sees the endless space of TWA with cars and towers, you wonder where all the other people are? There must be thousands of them. And in the series it feels as if one and a half diggers are working in TVA and they are being blown away for everyone. The scale of the tragedy is not felt.
@Tavi_Li: Well, the cherry on the cake is McGuffin himself. So you want to tell me that in order for everything to fall into place, it is necessary to develop a metal sphincter so that it becomes wider? Siriusli? It would seem that the screenwriters went on strike not so long ago. Loki should have been finished. Actors play, imho, also randomly. With such a scenario, only experienced actors can cope, to carry such nonsense with the person involved in the process.
Well, bang in the end, like the last hammered nail in the coffin. The main thing is to throw a bone to the viewer at the end. They work straight according to the scheme of Ja Ja Abrams - the box itself with riddles is what is important, and not what is actually inside. Oh, how I hope that the next series will be the most creative in all aspects, in visual and in plot solutions. Such a scope for imagination. But knowing that this is still a modern Disney, I'm waiting for the white room with nothing. I really want to be wrong. Very.
@Tavi_Li: Since the 3rd episode, the season has gone to the bottom: and besides the shadow of Disney with its ingenious twists of the level of children's TV series (especially the behavior of a double agent who has no acting data and no reason to be in this series, although Majors did not want to strain further than the 1st season either), there is also a problem with the fact that in the 4th episode of the 2nd season the judge realized that she was an option after she was shown this, and her memory was taken away about the 1st season, that's how they made her a detached characterless villain; it's unclear why Loki's invented time jumps from the 1st series and like Loki's spectacular decision to send himself into the past - just so that someone would say that this it's cool, but this is a stupid, non-leading action, that is, it's not clear how it works and it's not explained
@id22125505: well, then the crap with the weaver and the papier-mache wonder parts to fix space and time is the level of the same children's series from the Disney channel, it's cool to make a device like a meat grinder out of the theory of time branches, you can also build a pepper pot with living organisms, fantasies and theories that used to be born when watching movies goes to hell, because there are smart people here who understand how it works, forget it. By the way, where are all the millions of options that work in UVI, there are a maximum of 30 people here, it feels like everyone has already been washed behind the scenes, but in season 1 it was not noticeable
@id22125505: The finale is in the best traditions of "Remembering everything": "but in fact, someone had a vision and now we will do everything right, but someone will betray us..." I'm more pessimistic, and I'd be glad if they did something interesting before the end of the season, or at least one of the main characters would behave the way they said he would: Loki would stop being a knight, Mobius would do something useful, and Sylvie would like to be stupidly leaked. Because a character who destroyed the world and blames it on everyone around is a little annoying, but you can do something else, but if she stays the same, it's failure and despair...
@Tavi_Li: same thoughts while watching. The plot is poor, the jokes are flat, the cliffhanger is not catchy, the problems are far-fetched. It's sad, 10 years ago I would have killed for a series about Loki, and maybe then it would have come out better)
@Tavi_Li: about stretching time right to the point. It all reminded me of situations in video games where "Ciri is in trouble, I need to find her" in The Witcher and "the chip in my head is killing me" in Cyberpunk turns into a 100+ hour adventure. And then they manage to eat a pie, choose costumes suitable for the era they want to jump into, hang out at the exhibition, eat delicious treats, exchange funny compliments and sign each other orange books and build a whole MOCK-up. It makes sense that everything fucked up in the end.
- So, wait a minute, why suddenly should I go? - Well, it's your turn. - From what? How? Why mine? - Well, because obviously not mine. "So what if it's not yours?" Why is it mine?
Finally remembered that they are Gods😅 A good series and the dynamics are the very thing, and the drama, and everyone talked / quarreled with everyone.. Now the question is where and how they will wake up.
@Сериальщик732: That's how death wasn't shown, and even destruction wasn't shown. In general, this is not some kind of nuclear explosion, this is space-time itself and the effect will be appropriate. Mb will be shown a world where TWA has never existed.
@MoldonDS: why not? The plot is very simple. They have stopped destroying extra universes, the time machine cannot withstand the load and therefore it must be upgraded, and without someone who remains it is impossible.
I don't understand why Sylvie didn't kill Ravona when she could. This logic of comics in general and superhero movies in particular is infuriating, when a hero shows mercy or just for some reason does not kill his enemy, and then suffers the consequences. It's such a cliche.
aaaaaaa This episode is just crazy! The rupture of everything, all the timelines, a trillion lives, the race- everything was destroyed? It's even a pity for Victor, it would be harsh, it reminded Reed Richards in DS2. Miss Minutka is just something, there are devils in a quiet pool.. I hope she comes back.. And Ravonna? She was on the same side with Kang, they were a "team", they were going to rule together, but as always happens - one betrays the other! Usually, of course, for the sake of power, but here it's not even power, but something else, order, peace, balance, balance, living in lies and destroying trillions for the sake of the same balance. Dox and the team.. It was wow, the cruelest shit in the MCU, although they didn't show it, but it was obvious from B15's face that it was full of tin... It's cruel! I feel sorry for them, just like the trillion lives that Dox destroyed. But it can also be understood. Loki killed Loki, that was it.. Interesting, time jumps, etc... their faces at the end... looking forward to the new episode!!!
Temporary branches have existed and will continue to exist, they don't need this technological device called "Weaver". In fact, they save TWAS (why?), and not branches at all. The device simply cannot process them, it will tear and pull the TWA with it. And the branches will just finally begin to calmly curl themselves and spread without any restrictions and control. Or am I wrong?
What a bore! The first season had so many colorful worlds, so many dynamic scenes. And this season, most of the events, with the exception of "1893", take place in dull monotonous scenery.
Don't get me wrong, I like the aesthetics of American offices from the 70s, everything looks stylish, but I'm already tired of it.
The plot is also practically not moving anywhere, and "Kang" is still annoying with its overplaying.
I would be very surprised if the series is renewed for another season.
again, the plot was essentially five minutes long, but it was interesting to watch. A dynamic series with Cliff!
I liked how Victor was unwound. and there are so many deaths suddenly. Sylvie got to Mobius with his pie for nothing. Loki is very wise here. It's time for him to lecture.
Sylvie has been infuriating as much as possible since the beginning of the season. I do not understand the admiration for this character, and indeed for the selection of an actress. And what a creature this Ravonna is.
Everyone is absolutely thrilled, it's a pity I can't join in, because the really good moments in the series can be counted on my fingers - the final explosion, the meeting of Ouroboros and Victor, Victor's death - and even they are just above average and I like them simply against the background of all the dullness and insignificance of the rest of the timekeeping.
I've been wondering for half the episode what the next two episodes are going to be about. But the finale knocked this question out of my head))) But Rensleer got what she deserved, and Miss Minutka is an evil creature even at the shutdown stage)
The death of Dox and her people in the style of a saw is kind of dumb. Could Dox have deceived Ravonna? - like I'm for you and then a stick in the back. Loki and Sylvia regained the powers of the gods and what did they do? - they drugged 1 person and ran away. When Minutka blocked access, it's a reference to Jurassic Park. where are "Nick Fury" and "Oppenheimer"🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfiQYRn7fBg and before "death," the minute is like the terminator. «I'll be back»😈
@berion87: Oh, no, they're completely different! I adore Lee Pace with all my soul and body, and I can't stand Hiddleston - he's very mawkish and kind of fake or something...
@berion87: Dox may not like to lie or he doesn't know how, Sylvia and Loki didn't need more abilities, because Brad was already programmed to do what they needed. I was thinking about the Park, too. 😅
Wow, this is the ending, Loki erasing himself with a trembling hand, it's amazing, and from the moment when Sylvia and Loki screamed, turn it on, well, Loki got the magic back, what could be more tempting
The paradox where Loki meets himself is excellent. I love this, I've watched all the movies about time loops. So the surprise was very pleasant, it's strange that it hadn't occurred to me before)
@PlanePassenger: I mean, there's no paradox? If he hadn't embarrassed himself in the future, he would have died. And how can he live to see the future without boring himself in the past? It's a real paradox.
@PlayerENO: I guess I just understand the term differently. You can talk about the paradox as a philosophy of the logic of time travel, then yes, I agree, but you can do it as an impossible process within the same timeline, that is, for example, to kill yourself in infancy, the classic grandfather's paradox. And it's only a paradox when it really happens, because it's impossible, you died before you lived to see it. But here it's just a loop, it has a beginning, it has an end, it exists because he made himself miserable, if this hadn't happened, the loop simply wouldn't have existed in the first place. If he hadn't done that, it would have been a paradox. But there's still a lot of overlap, of course, quirks in TVA, temporary auras, extracting oneself from time, etc.
@PlayerENO: The difference in concepts can also be cited as an example of artificial intelligence. It can be considered as really intelligence, then it does not exist yet, although marketers claim the opposite. Or it can be used as an area of research, during which at least it can be invented.
@PlayerENO: Well, that's what I mean. You consider the very idea of a paradox, the possibilities of a paradox, and I consider it as a fait accompli, here it is, and it cannot be explained logically. It can be explained here, although it is a special logic, so it is not a paradox. In general, the main paradox here is that the dude from the future is actually in the past. Without the logic of time travel, it's incredible. But logic is a no-brainer)))
Guys! Can someone explain to me the reason for the conflict between this general's wife and Rensleyer? How and in what ways do their positions differ? Everyone is in favor of TWA, everyone wants it to work, and both seem to be willing to erase the other lines. Or did I miss something? Is the general's wife against Rensleyer being in charge or what?
@Геворг: you can calculate the statistics if you are interested))) In my opinion, this is quite objective, and it concerns the vast majority of TV series, since more attention and money are always spent on the first and last series/ episodes.
@Gevorg: simple statistics, basically any argument about how cool the ending is suggests that it was at least a little bit worse before that. For me, of course, it's just an opinion based on what I've read. Haight, trolling, meta-irony, post—truth, the hypothesis of the dead Internet - if you try to count all this, then any meaning disappears, let's just not believe anyone right away, read nothing and talk to no one, because they can deceive!)
@Gevorg: how can you tell the difference between hating and trolling and gaslighting? What is the name of the person who, instead of polemics about the work, leads a witch hunt and other interesting offline topics for discussion)
LostFilm: "The Only One Who can Fix It", original: "who can help us fix it" LF: "cooing", original: "bromance" LF: "another day", original: "another bad day" LF: "It's all Rensleyer", original: "It's definitely Rensleyer."
It's Miss Minutka's face, her sadistic joy... 😶 Is it possible to compare X-5 with that character from "The Mummy" who constantly betrayed the heroes if it was profitable? I don't remember the name, I think the red hat (Fez?) I always wore it... Or with the Japanese from "Silence", who betrayed the Christian faith, usually out of fear, then asked for forgiveness, then again ... Remembered "Jurassic Park" - there was also an image of the person responsible for the computers on the computers, they say, they typed the wrong code or something. So the current Loki has been standing behind the previous Loki all this time, but he has never looked around and heard a sound? It would be better if he hid around the corner until the right moment... 😒 I don't understand the plan of Minutka and Rensleyer - why exactly should you install the device? Why not wait and let Loki's Team do everything themselves, and only then come to take their fruits? "You'll never become one" - so maybe it's for the best? 😅 You got rid of Rensleyer very well 😅 Really, for how long? 🤔 But it was unexpected - I didn't think it would die so quickly... 😶 The episode, or rather the music stopped so suddenly - I was waiting for the scene after the credits, but it wasn't there...
P.S. I probably didn't hear it in the previous episodes or forgot, but - the explosion only threatened the Department of Internal Affairs or chronology, would the timelines have been affected too?
@Moonacre: In theory, it could have been erased by opponents running around there - Reinsleer or X-5 (or X-15?). It would even be beautiful - Loki would have run up to throw into the void (or whatever this stick is doing now), but in fact they would have saved him, because in a minute without this stick he would have had a hard time
Ugh. I thought Ravonna was thrown into the fortress to stay there. And not only did she get out, but she almost captured me. And finally, at the end of episode 4, it got interesting!
Victor and Ouroboros together are something. Heroes are lovers.
It's nice that the phrase about the looped snake was said by Ouroboros, whose name literally means this snake. No wonder the guy's figure is one of the key ones in this season, pointing us to "the end of the road and the beginning of something new." After all, UVA in its usual sense no longer exists and will not exist. The world will begin to live in a completely different way.
Oh come on, we all perfectly understand which of these 2 was the first and who brazenly stole the other 's achievement and appropriated it for himself .
Sylvia started all this mess, and now she's mad at Mobius over the pie, really? Because of you, fools, branches are dying, people are dying, and you're also blaming everyone around you.
the moment when Loki from the present erases himself from the past, trapped in the future, reminded me of the Harry Potter movie 3, where Harry from the future helps himself from the past by invoking patronus :)
That's why time travel is impossible, because there is a paradox of what came first. If they killed the one who remains, does that mean the entire previous season was canceled because he was pulled out of his timeline and never returned?
@bohdanZPM: immediately, everything is as simple as possible — he killed himself... because he killed himself)) see Novikov's Principle of self-consistency
They have no freedom of action, for which they are so "fighting." I basically thought it was a loop, it was just done a little differently. Loki erased himself, if he hadn't done so in the future, he wouldn't have returned to the past, and in principle wouldn't have reached this elevator in the now-present. Everything was pre-determined. So they're fighting for nothing. Well, except for the existence of 1,000,000 branches, which are as predefined as the main line. Sylvia is so annoying, if she hadn't been in season 2, then this series wouldn't have lost anything.
@SoEunGi: It scares comments where people don't understand why Loki erased himself. In episode 1, everything was explained. He realized that this was the moment
@SoEunGi: it is clear that Loki has erased himself, it is unclear what this gives? That is, it's a twist for the sake of a twist, which gives the plot absolutely nothing but looping with the 1st series. You might as well have shown a vending machine in episode 1 and shown them using it in episode 4. Well, something like that has already happened in the series. It's incredible and cool)
@-Holycow-: well, I personally was wondering who exactly erased it) because they didn't show it in episode 1. But in fact, there is absolutely nothing to the plot, and there are many other scenes that can be safely cut out and no one will even notice their absence. Therefore, one such scene is more than the other less ahaha
@-Holycow-: In fact, this plays a role at the end, when, spoiler alert, worlds turn into spaghetti, Loki's spaghetti doesn't hurt - he erased himself, which means it's impossible to destroy him. In general, that's how I understood it.
@hlas_of_my_nick: You're the one who figured out what the scriptwriters didn't plan. That's the problem. When the conditions are not set and there is some randomness and plot holes wherever you spit. These are clearly not indicators of a good scenario. All we had to do was put Loki on the throne instead of Kang, but it didn't work out for 6 episodes, and everything else is secondary and optional, including the epilogue with UVI's work. By the way, Loki has already been washed and for some reason it has not broken down, what has changed, why others cannot do this - such questions should not arise.
Discussion: Season 2, Episode 4 Join the Discussion
190I was just thinking about something, and they look similar...
I was confused by the moment when Sylvie attacked Mobius over a pie, saying that he begged her to come here. I don't remember anything like that, in the last episode, Sylvie didn't go into TV at all, even the portal was closed. Did she come through her time pad or something? What kind of a passageway is there in general.
But how well the cyclicity of everything and everything is once again shown here - S and Victor, figuring out what happened before, Loki, killing himself to save himself. Cool.
Not if they still don't kill, but transfer to the End of Time - I'm only for it.
If the O.B. device had not been on Loki from the first series, which jumped in time, calibrated, then he, in theory, would also have gone into the Void, like everyone who is being hit with a stick.
Unless of course it still works that way, and nothing has changed because of the death of someone and the "release" of timelines.
P.S. Actually, ForeverLannister already answered while I was writing a comment.
In Episode 1 itself, Loki needed to be erased at the right moment, and someone erased him. We have now seen exactly who it was.
About "the layout is not in scale and there was only one paint."
Miss Minits with her crippy look is divine.
Minutemen: 🟧
Miss Minutes: 😃
Minutemen: 🔸
Miss Minutes: 😃
And her last efforts to tell Victor "you're shit" were just hung up.
Victor's sudden agitation was very sudden. Like the finale.
By the way, since when did the killing sticks begin not to teleport to the end of time, but to kill?
Corpses are mountains, Hopelessness is coming, horror, And time loops where there is no time as such ...
And even a cliffhanger in the bombastic series .... Although I don't really imagine how it will be possible to solve everything in the remaining 2 series without turning the plot into jumping on pianos in the bushes
The whole series was waiting for some kind of trick from Victor, but it turned out this way, I even felt sorry for him.
I'm looking forward to the next episode!
With Victor unexpectedly, after his "Time to be brave" I thought it would really save the situation.
"No, this is called the 'bootstrap paradox'. Google it."
How I fucked up from the scene of the team killing through the box, the soundtrack raised this scene to a new level
The series itself is not straight fire, but there are cool moments - and tense, and cute, and even a little shocking. Loki is cool - he's sandbagging his past again and, as per Dumbledore's testament, chooses not what's easy, but what's right))
I'm just waiting for the next episode!
Victor Timely actually turned out to be quite good. There were many moments when I thought he would become He Who Remains (or at least do something that would lead him down this path), but in the end he's just a man fascinated and a little scared by everything that's going on. Pity him.
- I was living in your engineeric descriptions.
- Me? The way you explained the electric bypass system...
- The bypass...
- The poetry, just poetry.
- Guys, sorry to break up this bromance, but can we fix now and sign later?
I really liked his interaction with Casey and O.B. (science dork trio), as well as with D-90.
The scary scene of the murder of Dox and her people, courtesy of Miss Minutka, it's good that it wasn't shown. It was much worse to hear and imagine that they were dying.
Sylvie, in fact, acts as a reminder of how Loki would have responded to problems, disappointments and difficulties in the past. She's the epitome of everything he's outgrowing, and every conversation they've had this season proves that point. "Love Triangle" is not about Loki's feelings for Sylvia or Mobius, but about his inner struggle to grow and become better without betraying his inner self.
Loki followed her because he felt that he needed to explain everything to her for the sake of Mobius. Mobius and Loki met eyes before he left, showing that they understood each other without saying a word. If Loki had come to his defense right away, Sylvie wouldn't have listened to another word. He behaved thoughtfully and maturely, clearly knowing what he was doing. I'm proud of him.
- Trying to fix what's broken is hard. Hope is hard.
He could have been a lot softer, after all, Tom Hiddleston can make his eyes shine with unshed tears and give out a desperate tone in his voice when he wants, and yet Loki was calm and collected, which is just the complete opposite of his scenes with Sylvie in the first season, where he seemed to be one step behind her. Also, in pirogland, as for me, there was no kind of shipping tension. We could have ended up (instead of the oh*** ing "WE ARE GODS" ahhh) with a sit-down over cake and tea or more relaxed poses towards each other, but no. Loki leaves Sylvie again.
The visual is as always amazing in the series. Mobius is light, Sylvie is darkness, Loki is in the middle. PURE CINEMA.
I turned off the jammer, stop the time, do everything with the multiplier and the weaver and start the time - it would be a great plan.
The destruction of the weaver will lead to an infinite number of universes.
The fact that Kang would become the main villain began to be talked about long before Loki's release.
The actor Majors can be replaced or even drawn. In quantomania, there were such variants in the post-credits scene that they didn't even look like the original.
Canceling the much-hyped Avengers movie is a "super idea."
For me, it's the fact that Marvel has one big universe that makes it very interesting and sets it apart from others, especially DC with its films cut out of context and endless restarts. Therefore, Loki simply has to be included in the main KVM.
Where does the information about the script come from? On the contrary, Marvel thinks 10 steps ahead, and the infinity saga shows it perfectly. They started telling us about Thanos and the stones long before the final battle. The same thing happens with Kang.
Back when Thanos was around, they really thought. Now it's enough to open any new Marvel series and realize that other guys are already doing it. Yes, the same secret invasion that broke through any bottom.
And no, Majors will not be able to "replace" or "draw", it's not for nothing that rumors have already gone that they want to switch villains to Duma. Because everything is falling apart on the move.
And Loki will remain 100% a separate series without any special influences, or they will use it for later to reboot their own KVM shoals. Everything screams that the nails have shattered.
Loki is a good series at the moment, but overall there is no hope for the future yet.
I don't see an argument why Majors can't be replaced or drawn. Technically, there are no problems here.
Again, I don't see any arguments about Loki. Where is someone shouting? Video bloggers or something? Yes, they just need to release content, there are 100,500 theories :)
As for me, it's precisely if Loki and Kanga merge and introduce xs from where Doom came from - that's the collapse of the KVM. That's what DC does, and we see what it leads to.
You look at it and you see a mega idea, but it's like it's still paradoxically local, and if they don't remember it in subsequent films, then obviously that's the end of it..
If I'm not mistaken, Loki season 3 will also be here, and it will probably become clearer definitively, and when the fight with the new Avengers begins..
Victor was suddenly incinerated.
I suggest not to restore. Let's end the KVM on this, it will hardly be better.
A great dark series, the paradoxes are solid, but something fell into place: the magic still works, just the jammers were standing.
What kind of music on the end credits is cool.
The series finale is just a bomb, if it was in the season finale, then a nervous breakdown of some viewers would be inevitable😅 And also the expression on Miss Minutka's face when compressing the prisoners is something😁
And what?
when something small, understandable and tangible is at stake in the plot — for example, a favorite carpet or an express for the Boston Celtics match — then the feelings and emotions of the characters are clearer and it is easier to empathize with them.
and when the drama is that one part of the Multiverse Bureaucracy wants to cut the branches of the timeline, and the other part does not want to, and because of this we are trying to kill/save a person from the past, who does not participate in this in any way, but is critically needed to fix a Magical Thing that processes the pure energy of time into a single sacred timeline because its breakdown threatens the complete destruction of the multiverse reality — here it somehow becomes p+p 🤷♂️
so it is here: you have a universal magic thing exploded, class, and what's next? two more episodes, and then five TV series and eight films. hmm, yes, it seems that this case is fixable.
(and I watch Marvel because it's a cool attraction; and specifically this series is also because of the aesthetics and some of the actors)
Honestly, nothing is clear, but very interesting...
It's a pity for the guys who were killed with a cube, a terrible death (
Shtosh, now I'll grab the cons, but I can't help but speak out. I don't impose my opinion on anyone, I just see it that way.
What the choicest nonsense, my God, this is straight classic Disney of the fourth phase, with running circles around one of the McGuffins that appeared out of nowhere. Trampling on one empty point in this series was especially striking. Which was interspersed with classic Marvel jokes in the spirit of a friendly skirmish. Back and forth comedy. Banter, if you will. How this brand of comedy is already on the teeth.
Chekhov's gun hung in the first episode with Sylvie in the elevator fired a blank. Why was it, for what? Like look, we also know how to vibbley-wobbley timey-wim staff to do. Only there was literally nothing behind this feint.
The conflicts and dialogues in the series were only to stall for time and were a transfusion from empty to empty.
One more moment. When Loki runs out and sees the endless space of TWA with cars and towers, you wonder where all the other people are? There must be thousands of them. And in the series it feels as if one and a half diggers are working in TVA and they are being blown away for everyone. The scale of the tragedy is not felt.
Well, the cherry on the cake is McGuffin himself. So you want to tell me that in order for everything to fall into place, it is necessary to develop a metal sphincter so that it becomes wider? Siriusli? It would seem that the screenwriters went on strike not so long ago. Loki should have been finished.
Actors play, imho, also randomly. With such a scenario, only experienced actors can cope, to carry such nonsense with the person involved in the process.
Well, bang in the end, like the last hammered nail in the coffin. The main thing is to throw a bone to the viewer at the end. They work straight according to the scheme of Ja Ja Abrams - the box itself with riddles is what is important, and not what is actually inside. Oh, how I hope that the next series will be the most creative in all aspects, in visual and in plot solutions. Such a scope for imagination. But knowing that this is still a modern Disney, I'm waiting for the white room with nothing. I really want to be wrong. Very.
With that, the TVA building seems to be round, so Loki really winds circles)
And then they manage to eat a pie, choose costumes suitable for the era they want to jump into, hang out at the exhibition, eat delicious treats, exchange funny compliments and sign each other orange books and build a whole MOCK-up. It makes sense that everything fucked up in the end.
- Well, it's your turn.
- From what? How? Why mine?
- Well, because obviously not mine.
"So what if it's not yours?" Why is it mine?
A good series and the dynamics are the very thing, and the drama, and everyone talked / quarreled with everyone..
Now the question is where and how they will wake up.
other.. Well, look with one eye
- So we're going to play gods anyway.
"We are the gods."
This episode is just crazy! The rupture of everything, all the timelines, a trillion lives, the race- everything was destroyed? It's even a pity for Victor, it would be harsh, it reminded Reed Richards in DS2. Miss Minutka is just something, there are devils in a quiet pool.. I hope she comes back.. And Ravonna? She was on the same side with Kang, they were a "team", they were going to rule together, but as always happens - one betrays the other! Usually, of course, for the sake of power, but here it's not even power, but something else, order, peace, balance, balance, living in lies and destroying trillions for the sake of the same balance. Dox and the team.. It was wow, the cruelest shit in the MCU, although they didn't show it, but it was obvious from B15's face that it was full of tin... It's cruel! I feel sorry for them, just like the trillion lives that Dox destroyed. But it can also be understood. Loki killed Loki, that was it.. Interesting, time jumps, etc... their faces at the end...
looking forward to the new episode!!!
Don't get me wrong, I like the aesthetics of American offices from the 70s, everything looks stylish, but I'm already tired of it.
The plot is also practically not moving anywhere, and "Kang" is still annoying with its overplaying.
I would be very surprised if the series is renewed for another season.
A dynamic series with Cliff!
I liked how Victor was unwound.
and there are so many deaths suddenly.
Sylvie got to Mobius with his pie for nothing.
Loki is very wise here. It's time for him to lecture.
The spaghetti has happened
But Rensleer got what she deserved, and Miss Minutka is an evil creature even at the shutdown stage)
Loki and Sylvia regained the powers of the gods and what did they do? - they drugged 1 person and ran away.
When Minutka blocked access, it's a reference to Jurassic Park. where are "Nick Fury" and "Oppenheimer"🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfiQYRn7fBg
and before "death," the minute is like the terminator. «I'll be back»😈
I was thinking about the Park, too. 😅
How cool Sylvia made Ravonna 🔥
The ending is of course a shock, I'm sorry for Victor (
Can someone explain to me the reason for the conflict between this general's wife and Rensleyer? How and in what ways do their positions differ?
Everyone is in favor of TWA, everyone wants it to work, and both seem to be willing to erase the other lines.
Or did I miss something? Is the general's wife against Rensleyer being in charge or what?
It's a very weak season, it doesn't drag out at all.
LF: "cooing", original: "bromance"
LF: "another day", original: "another bad day"
LF: "It's all Rensleyer", original: "It's definitely Rensleyer."
It's Miss Minutka's face, her sadistic joy... 😶
Is it possible to compare X-5 with that character from "The Mummy" who constantly betrayed the heroes if it was profitable? I don't remember the name, I think the red hat (Fez?) I always wore it... Or with the Japanese from "Silence", who betrayed the Christian faith, usually out of fear, then asked for forgiveness, then again ...
Remembered "Jurassic Park" - there was also an image of the person responsible for the computers on the computers, they say, they typed the wrong code or something.
So the current Loki has been standing behind the previous Loki all this time, but he has never looked around and heard a sound? It would be better if he hid around the corner until the right moment... 😒
I don't understand the plan of Minutka and Rensleyer - why exactly should you install the device? Why not wait and let Loki's Team do everything themselves, and only then come to take their fruits?
"You'll never become one" - so maybe it's for the best? 😅 You got rid of Rensleyer very well 😅 Really, for how long? 🤔
But it was unexpected - I didn't think it would die so quickly... 😶 The episode, or rather the music stopped so suddenly - I was waiting for the scene after the credits, but it wasn't there...
P.S. I probably didn't hear it in the previous episodes or forgot, but - the explosion only threatened the Department of Internal Affairs or chronology, would the timelines have been affected too?
между этой и предыдущей сериями вышла цветная версия "Ночного оборотня" - Werewolf by Night in Color
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But the fact that it was Loki who erased himself was immediately clear
In theory, it could have been erased by opponents running around there - Reinsleer or X-5 (or X-15?). It would even be beautiful - Loki would have run up to throw into the void (or whatever this stick is doing now), but in fact they would have saved him, because in a minute without this stick he would have had a hard time
And finally, at the end of episode 4, it got interesting!
It's nice that the phrase about the looped snake was said by Ouroboros, whose name literally means this snake. No wonder the guy's figure is one of the key ones in this season, pointing us to "the end of the road and the beginning of something new." After all, UVA in its usual sense no longer exists and will not exist. The world will begin to live in a completely different way.
I'M THRILLED JUST
That's why time travel is impossible, because there is a paradox of what came first. If they killed the one who remains, does that mean the entire previous season was canceled because he was pulled out of his timeline and never returned?
see Novikov's Principle of self-consistency