Well, as expected, there are several victims… Did the shooter kill them all? A question! Because Vadik could have committed suicide: It's hard to be DIFFERENT… Of course, it is impossible to justify his action. To rape to make sure of your orientation is sad, harsh, cruel. I think Bilan is already in heaven too, otherwise why isn't he shown ... Waiting for the finale
@akatovaaaaaaaa: yes, he did not rape to make sure of orientation - no one stopped him from fucking a prostitute, when he was just sucked in with Anton) He raped out of spite ( out of spite for money, out of spite for Anton, out of spite for Anton's feeling for Alina, look, I'll ruin your favorite toy...
There's only one episode left, and Bilan's story hasn't been revealed yet. It looks like he's the shooter. 🤔 Although everything hints at Something Else from the very beginning. And his nickname is appropriate (like it wasn't me who did it, but another person. Plus a hint of orientation)
No, not going to the sauna at all... this flashback is more like the background of his childhood. His mother, as I understood it, just dragged him everywhere with her since childhood, even to the bathhouse and clearly against his will. When the boy is shown large, it is immediately clear that he is not comfortable there, he does not understand why his mother dragged him. His mom is always babbling to him, constantly telling him what a calm and good boy he is. Thus, the child forms a thought in his head, I am calm and good, so I am loved. Therefore, if I (the child) somehow show emotions, do not do what the parents want, they will not love me. This often forms a type of psyche when a person grows up to be quiet and calm on the outside, but who has just a lot of emotions inside that he has not learned how to express and vent. Now the father... is almost a role model for everyone, an icon, and so on. His neighbors praise him, and he sets himself and his grandfather as an example, clearly holds his son in check, allows himself to raise his hand against him. This only adds even more tension to everything described above in Vadim's head. Well, this cry in an attack on the parents: "... you don't see anything, you don't see me!", as the finishing touch of this picture. For them, the son is more like a dog on a leash than a person.
"Violence begets violence." It's a very difficult series, I have a lot of emotions. Anton has a strange love. I didn't notice Alina the whole party, I hung out with everyone, but not with her, and then "I love Alina."
There is only one episode left, and there you can already see the overall picture of what is happening, now it is impossible to assess someone's actions sensibly.
Alina is terribly sorry. It was clear from the first episode that something happened at that party when Alina disappeared, now everything has become clear... Another such asshole, there are just no words. His act cannot be justified in any way, I hope this topic will be made public, this cannot be kept silent.
So, in your opinion, is rape considered normal and commonplace? Really, what's wrong with that, well, you think he raped her, you think, after that the girl killed herself. Nothing like that happened.…
@id813339709: hahahah, "a normal and innocent guy can get killed." The rapist is an innocent guy, are you serious? Since when is sexual intercourse without the free consent of one of the parties considered a normal thing? I sincerely hope that you and your loved ones will never face this terrible situation and you will never know what it is. I don't see any point in talking to you any further. Have a nice day)
Probably because the person who wanted to know how things were going and help was raped? Were you held by force and didn't hear the word "no"? Don't you have any empathy at all, and you can't imagine HOW creepy it is when you're in such a helpless state and they do things to you that you don't want to do?
What an unpleasant picture in the bathhouse at the beginning of the series, it's just disgusting. But that's how such mothers went to the baths... The other one is the other, misunderstood by parents and society. His act, this is an outlet for emotions, maybe even took revenge on Anton for his refusal.
@purcess_leia: but it seems to me that it was very scary and vitally revealed in our realities. He is not shown to be bad because of his orientation. In general, this topic is difficult and taboo in our country, I am generally surprised that they show and begin to delve into the problem. It's difficult and scary for the guy, he's not some kind of scumbag. I feel very sorry for him, he's one of the most interesting characters here. He doesn't cause any negativity in me. His action can even be understood - he himself was wildly upset afterwards, he felt disgusting and disgusting himself. But you can't bring back what you've done. It is very vividly shown and harshly how one wrong decision ruins everything. He was drunk and in a mess. And resentment, and anger, and jealousy, and some kind of envy even guided him. That's very ambiguous and strong, I didn't perceive it at all as bisexual = evil.
@purcess_leia: considering that all the characters have a difficult background and problems, and only the gay character really broke down, it really looks homophobic; although, given the government's cultivated hatred of LGBT people, it's not surprising.
@Armoricaking: It seemed that way too. Everyone here is *fucked up, of course, everyone in their own way, and it is the misunderstood OTHER with the same orientation who commits the act of rape. It looks suspicious, in general)
God, well, you could have prescribed 2-5 episodes to make it more interesting, huh As usual. The first and the last two keep all the interest in themselves.
Sledak is still the worst character
And the whole topic with parents could have been better spelled out, since everything is based on this.
Well, or just do 5 episodes, not 8. I mean, the main message, the drama and the backbone of the plot are good, and what's around it is already a dream. Remember the same 2-4 episodes
Here, by the way, there is even someone to think about At first, I thought of their stupid teacher, who had run over a psychologist Then to a psychologist, but she won't do it, I'm sure now
Now there are more options. In this regard, the scenario has been well thought out
Wernick Jr. in places resembled his father's game) And what if everyone found out what happened to Alina, attacked Another and either killed him or he drank himself. And then they are deliberately silent or confused in their testimony in order not to give themselves up?
@id813339709: Well, maybe the fact is that this scene in the bathhouse was not the only one? No? This is a slice of his life, and not the only traumatic episode, we were just shown what kind of mother he has, how she does not see him, does not understand. "Not small anymore, take off your panties" - that's exactly what he is no longer small, but she has her own cartoons in her head.
@id813339709: Yes, calm down already, everyone realized that you don't understand the feelings of other viewers, you associate yourself with Another and applaud violence, just not mitu. Is it necessary for everyone to repeat it separately? You act like it's something personal to you. Were you in his place? Are you afraid that you would be judged like that?
@id813339709: I can't understand, are you generating your answers through neural networks, or do you really have such ramblings in your head? What do you expect from me, discussions? Or is it just that the fear of retribution does not hold inside, so you pour it on everyone in a dirty stream?
It occurred to me that the words of Alina's mother from the last episode about "they killed my daughter" might mean that she committed suicide. For example, she shot Someone Else and then herself, the trigger could be that everyone somehow found out about what happened...
Why in this series, I now suspect Alina and the Other, but there is a suspicion that it may be Anton, after learning what the other did, I am no longer sure of anything.. It seems the outcome will be unpredictable. In episode 7, the incidents of the first ones open, when the parents were looking for Alina, and she was at home, but who would have thought after a few episodes that she was finally raped 🥺
@UliaChayka: It seems to me that she was raped was clear from the very first episode. It's strange that her parents didn't suspect such a thing when she committed suicide. After all, when they were looking for her, they were clearly afraid of this.
@bertruce: well, from the first episode it was not given to me to understand it. How can you not know the series, and their talent to twist it to understand it right away, I was personally surprised, just as I still do not understand who the shooter is.
@poiree: We were afraid that something had happened to her at the party. And when she committed suicide, it should have confirmed their fears. The girl disappears all night, no one knows where she is, then she says, yes, everything is OK, my phone is dead, and after a couple of hours she opens her veins.
@UliaChayka: by the way, I also immediately had this idea about rape when I saw Alina's face lying on the bed and when her mother came up to her and asked is everything okay?
And what if Anton shot at Another (after all, he said he would shoot if he did something to Alina), and Alina jumped into the line of fire at the last moment, in an attempt to protect the Other, saying "He's not worth it." The bullet kills Alina and wounds Another, who falls and drowns/bleeds in the pool.
The rest are silent, because I feel sorry for Alina, but it's a good thing, xs
And the curly-haired girl, by any chance, is not for girls? And did you sleep with Mark to "check it out"? And then she hangs out with the girls all the time, she was with Lena (or she was Zhenya) during the shooting and at the same time evaded the answer when asked what they were doing
For some reason, it seems to me that it's like in "Murder on the Orient Express" by A. Christie: everyone had a hand in it. Most likely, they found out about what Vadim had done and decided to punish him. Alina is either a random victim, or she came to kill him, he killed her, and the others are already his. That's why everyone covers for each other. Bilan seems to be a good guy, Alexey is also a normal kid. Well, Mark. From the beginning of the series, it reminds me very much of "Big Little Lies": an investigation also begins there, but who is the victim and who is the killer is unclear until the last episode. And they also talk about what preceded the murder. By the way, violence is also (((
@MerryCherry: I was also thinking about which of the guys here are normal. Alexey doesn't seem to be bad, but he stole money from a psychologist, and Mark said that he already had a record (when they were dealing with a gun under the camera)
Yeah, well, but RCN has no complaints about the series, because it's bisexual (homosexual?) the character is shown in a negative light. Technically, there are no contradictions to the shameful law.
I still have the same suspects. Anton, Bilan and Vadim. They know the code to the gun safe. Alina is barely alive as it is, and Vadim himself is on the verge of collapse, they are both candidates for suicide. And someone didn't get out of the pool there — well, it's probably Vadim. As a result, there will be something random. Like Bilan's unsuccessful joke with a rifle will somehow turn into a scandal, during which the situation with Alina and Vadim will be revealed, and everything will end with shooting with random victims and the death of the shooter himself.
It seems to me that the finale will be in the spirit of seasons 1 and 3 of the Elite. Vadim the Other will be killed, but it will all be arranged as if he himself was the initiator of the shooting, because the truth about Alina's rape will come out. And the rest of the guys will have time to agree among themselves that they will hide what actually happened at that party. At the very least, Sonya and Mark have already agreed among themselves and are hiding something.
you know, I absolutely don't give a shit that Vadim was sick, that he was rejected, etc. Rapists cannot be justified in any way, it would be better if he died according to the plot.
@nanacookie: "Many of the living deserve death, and many of the dead deserve life. Can you bring it back to life? That's the same thing. Then do not rush to condemn to death. No one, even the wisest of the wise, can see all the intricacies of fate."
Gandalf also said. Don't accumulate anger, resentment and negativity, little brother, it's not a lot of wealth.
@nostromo: Why philosophize under my comment? I wrote "according to the plot", for me he is now a negative character, and I am very worried about Alina. I do not tolerate violence.
there is no question of anger and resentment, I do not take TV series to heart.)
@Aizen-88: Убийцей можно стать и ненамеренно, глупые у тебя сравнения. Повторяю : я никому смерти не желаю, я осуждаю насилие и говорю о героях сериала. Девочка хотела утешить, а он на добро ответил злом, испортив ей жизнь.
@id813339709: своей дочери, если у нее подобное случится, также говорить будете? это же надо так с пеной у рта здесь всем пытаться доказать, что «насилие нормально, оправдано» пиздец:) слов других нет
@id813339709: Ваше мнение. Но когда человек себя не контролирует вследствие употребления веществ, это уже его вина, исключая психические расстройства. Злость, как и другие чувства, нужно уметь контролировать.
@prvlng: так он выше вон уже отписался,что "максимум-домогался в пьяном виде". По-моему,понятно,почему он насильников оправдывает. Он из тех,кто "АЧОТАКОВА НЕ СОТРЕТСЯ"
for some reason, they didn't put this screensaver on from the first episodes, they were scared or something. I was also sure that there was some kind of drug in the cake, but was it rewired in the process?! don't know. It's awesome that Anton's parents are together and hiding it, it would pull him out of constant self-affirmation through sex and drugs. The other is 100% suicidal, it was obvious in the previous episode. And by the way, imho, his family is more or less normal, average. I have some strange suspicions about Mark and Sonya again, something is wrong with them the whole series, Mark was not on Dr. Anton, although he is like a tail everywhere behind Sonya. Sonya doesn't understand what she wants at all
I didn't comment on any episode of Cicadas, but I couldn't help myself. Alina had not aroused sympathy throughout the series before, or rather, she did not reveal herself to me in full, she was few, and now it is obvious why. But at the moment of "mom, how much it hurts me," I was ready to burst into tears. Poor girl. The beloved guy is absorbed in the holiday, and she just wanted to support the person… And that's what it all cost her.… There are no words
Alina was revealed as a character completely. I felt so sorry for her. I wanted to do good and got injured for life.
Although they did almost the entire series hints at the other that he was the shooter. But I don't think so. Perhaps he is the one who made the shooter decide to do such a thing. I wouldn't be surprised that the shooter is Belan. If Another person does something to himself, then 100% of his friend will go to avenge him.
Well, the episode... is the best of the whole season so far. They're so heavy..disgusting feelings after watching. It was hard to breathe. it is impossible to look at Vadim like that without disgust, it was unexpected to see such an outburst from him..Alina is very sorry. It's just f*** ing good..
@id813339709: не буду спорить с вами, мнение у всех разное) я в этом плане проще отношусь к кинематографу) из комедий могу посоветовать сериал «Засланец из космоса» и «Кибер Иван». первый американский, второй российский. вдруг понравится))
On the scene with Alina's self-injuries, the thought flashed through her mind that maybe Alina died before the party, and the whole shootout had already happened because of her death - but she still survived. And I wanted to die, even though we already know that the poor girl will eventually die. My heart broke twice during the series: when they showed what a kind, nice girl Alina wanted to support the second one, and how it ended for her, and when "Mom, it hurts me". Terrible. It's a good thing my mother woke up right away, even though she was drunk. Another very touching moment when Alina left the party and said to Anton: "Yes, that's for sure. You lost me."As if she knows she won't live long now.
The other one didn't appeal to me from the very beginning - he was too suspicious, but when Anton first rejected him, and then Alina began to comfort him, I even had a brief flash of sympathy - and it was even harder to look at what was next.
I also really liked the scenes at school-Anton's conversation with a psychologist, and then дра a fight with Alex, and how Mark flew in to separate them. He is wonderful, after all, and I want to believe that he will not be mixed up in shooting. As he said to Alex, "goodbye, weapons" - great, a well-read boy with principles! And no one commented, and all this squabble happened right under the cameras, and they dragged the gun back and forth, poking at Anton, as if on purpose. They will find it now - the gun has been hung up, it should shoot. Well, wait.
Вечериночка огонь , конечно. С одной стороны было понятно и заранее жаль Вадика, потому что было ясно , что ему нравится Антон, а с другой стороны то что он сделал с Алиной это пздц (она ведь хотела помочь ему😭). Ну что за треш вообще происходит. И если даже Антон что-то там подумал, то почему сразу не решил все узнать, а только утром и то потому что родители пришли… Мать Антона вообще треш, все тут максимально травмированные. ПОКАЖИТЕ ХОТЬ ОДНОГО НОРМАЛЬНОГО ПОДРОСТКА🥲 это уже не модно, видимо. Хотя вроде Марк еще более менее адекватный. Как у всех все сгорело в этой серии. Еще и с Вадиком что-то случилось, надеюсь больше ни с кем ниче не произошло. Но хочется уже побыстрее последнюю серию и наконец-то узнать все😭
@Idemonica: Well, maybe because she was originally braless? Did you see what kind of dress she was wearing at the party, and basically her physique? It's been a long time since many people don't wear the whole set, especially at home, she just took off her outerwear, and stayed in what she was, God.
@QueenOfGems: Did you see that she came home after wearing out and when her parents found her, she was already wearing a T-shirt in her bed?
Why are you watching the series so inattentively???
When I cut myself and went to my mother, I took off my T-shirt, but not my underpants. That's the question, why did I leave only my underpants. She could have taken off her panties too. god!!!!!!!!
It seems to me that either the shooter (Vadim) left with a crossbow, or Bilan accidentally shot Vadim when he separated them from Anton and everyone is covering for Bilan. And Alina just didn't survive in the hospital.
I watched the trailer, it shows the moment of charging the weapon, it looks like a girl with dark long hair in a black dress with sleeves (?), or it's a jacket. Could it be Alina??? Definitely not Katya, and not Slava
I also reviewed series 1 and 7 at a speed of 0.25. The man who took the weapon in a cardigan. Could it be Belan or another? I'm leaning towards the former
Oh, that's good. Ambiguous, bright and cruel. Beautiful actors, painful stories. I really like it. More Elite and 13 PP, honestly. Ours can shoot interestingly, beautifully and fascinatingly. I'm terribly sorry for both Alina and the Other. Lyosha is very interesting as a character. In general, everyone here is interesting to me - how cool it is shown that there is always a story behind the mask, and this story is familiar to some of us and hits the living. I do not regret that I accidentally stumbled upon this series. I just hope that they won't shoot a hundred seasons - I've seen enough of all sorts of elites, when everything seemed to be cool, but it slipped into something. Z.Y. Katya is such a painful Persian! There's so much rage building up in her. She and the Other are the most ambiguous for me.
But I liked the shooting and editing of the party, the mask with the narcotic cake, conveyed the very atmosphere. A strong emotional series. It's heavy...
How disgusting was the trail with Alex. He pressed, yelled, begged, manipulated that his rich classmates would be punished, and he would get the full amount. And he himself is part of this system, which protects the guilty from the cage, and puts the innocent in jail. And this phrase is hypocritical - I want to help you! You don't want to help anyone but yourself. Alex is good for not breaking down
That is, Vadim is Different, and not Lech?It doesn't add up for me, because the one who called Anton is written by Another and in the same jacket they talked about Lech.I got confused in them who was shown at the party with Semyon and about Alina.
Discussion of the 7 episode of the 1 season Discuss this episode
143Of course, it is impossible to justify his action. To rape to make sure of your orientation is sad, harsh, cruel. I think Bilan is already in heaven too, otherwise why isn't he shown ... Waiting for the finale
Although everything hints at Something Else from the very beginning. And his nickname is appropriate (like it wasn't me who did it, but another person. Plus a hint of orientation)
There is only one episode left, and there you can already see the overall picture of what is happening, now it is impossible to assess someone's actions sensibly.
Alina is terribly sorry. It was clear from the first episode that something happened at that party when Alina disappeared, now everything has become clear... Another such asshole, there are just no words. His act cannot be justified in any way, I hope this topic will be made public, this cannot be kept silent.
As usual. The first and the last two keep all the interest in themselves.
Sledak is still the worst character
And the whole topic with parents could have been better spelled out, since everything is based on this.
Well, or just do 5 episodes, not 8. I mean, the main message, the drama and the backbone of the plot are good, and what's around it is already a dream. Remember the same 2-4 episodes
At first, I thought of their stupid teacher, who had run over a psychologist
Then to a psychologist, but she won't do it, I'm sure now
Now there are more options. In this regard, the scenario has been well thought out
And what if everyone found out what happened to Alina, attacked Another and either killed him or he drank himself. And then they are deliberately silent or confused in their testimony in order not to give themselves up?
This is a slice of his life, and not the only traumatic episode, we were just shown what kind of mother he has, how she does not see him, does not understand. "Not small anymore, take off your panties" - that's exactly what he is no longer small, but she has her own cartoons in her head.
You act like it's something personal to you. Were you in his place? Are you afraid that you would be judged like that?
this is some kind of maniac wanker spam bot
The girl disappears all night, no one knows where she is, then she says, yes, everything is OK, my phone is dead, and after a couple of hours she opens her veins.
The rest are silent, because I feel sorry for Alina, but it's a good thing, xs
Bilan seems to be a good guy, Alexey is also a normal kid. Well, Mark.
From the beginning of the series, it reminds me very much of "Big Little Lies": an investigation also begins there, but who is the victim and who is the killer is unclear until the last episode. And they also talk about what preceded the murder. By the way, violence is also (((
I still have the same suspects. Anton, Bilan and Vadim. They know the code to the gun safe. Alina is barely alive as it is, and Vadim himself is on the verge of collapse, they are both candidates for suicide. And someone didn't get out of the pool there — well, it's probably Vadim.
As a result, there will be something random. Like Bilan's unsuccessful joke with a rifle will somehow turn into a scandal, during which the situation with Alina and Vadim will be revealed, and everything will end with shooting with random victims and the death of the shooter himself.
Gandalf also said. Don't accumulate anger, resentment and negativity, little brother, it's not a lot of wealth.
there is no question of anger and resentment, I do not take TV series to heart.)
это же надо так с пеной у рта здесь всем пытаться доказать, что «насилие нормально, оправдано»
пиздец:) слов других нет
I was also sure that there was some kind of drug in the cake, but was it rewired in the process?! don't know.
It's awesome that Anton's parents are together and hiding it, it would pull him out of constant self-affirmation through sex and drugs.
The other is 100% suicidal, it was obvious in the previous episode. And by the way, imho, his family is more or less normal, average.
I have some strange suspicions about Mark and Sonya again, something is wrong with them the whole series, Mark was not on Dr. Anton, although he is like a tail everywhere behind Sonya. Sonya doesn't understand what she wants at all
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Although they did almost the entire series hints at the other that he was the shooter. But I don't think so. Perhaps he is the one who made the shooter decide to do such a thing. I wouldn't be surprised that the shooter is Belan. If Another person does something to himself, then 100% of his friend will go to avenge him.
My heart broke twice during the series: when they showed what a kind, nice girl Alina wanted to support the second one, and how it ended for her, and when "Mom, it hurts me". Terrible.
It's a good thing my mother woke up right away, even though she was drunk.
Another very touching moment when Alina left the party and said to Anton: "Yes, that's for sure. You lost me."As if she knows she won't live long now.
The other one didn't appeal to me from the very beginning - he was too suspicious, but when Anton first rejected him, and then Alina began to comfort him, I even had a brief flash of sympathy - and it was even harder to look at what was next.
I also really liked the scenes at school-Anton's conversation with a psychologist, and then дра a fight with Alex, and how Mark flew in to separate them. He is wonderful, after all, and I want to believe that he will not be mixed up in shooting. As he said to Alex, "goodbye, weapons" - great, a well-read boy with principles!
And no one commented, and all this squabble happened right under the cameras, and they dragged the gun back and forth, poking at Anton, as if on purpose. They will find it now - the gun has been hung up, it should shoot.
Well, wait.
Не знаю найдете так или нет
Why are you watching the series so inattentively???
When I cut myself and went to my mother, I took off my T-shirt, but not my underpants. That's the question, why did I leave only my underpants. She could have taken off her panties too. god!!!!!!!!
Overall, the series is good. Keeps you on your toes 🔥
I'm terribly sorry for both Alina and the Other. Lyosha is very interesting as a character. In general, everyone here is interesting to me - how cool it is shown that there is always a story behind the mask, and this story is familiar to some of us and hits the living.
I do not regret that I accidentally stumbled upon this series.
I just hope that they won't shoot a hundred seasons - I've seen enough of all sorts of elites, when everything seemed to be cool, but it slipped into something.
Z.Y. Katya is such a painful Persian! There's so much rage building up in her. She and the Other are the most ambiguous for me.
And if it weren't for the Romcom, would Anton reciprocate?
Vadik's roof was completely torn...
I wonder what exactly he told Anton about Alina. Really about the kiss.
A strong emotional series. It's heavy...