s01 special-3 — The Giggle
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| Released: | 09.12.202309.12.2023 15:00 |
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Although with the advent of Disney, new opportunities may open up 🙂
However, I do not know how to react to bi-regeneration. Unfortunately, I haven't seen a Doctor in the new Doctor yet, he's too original, but let's see. This division turned out to be a strange move, as if they just decided to bring Tennant back for ratings, did not know how to bring him out later, and came up with something like that. Of course, I am glad for his "retirement" with a real family, and the Chalk was returned here, but...it turns out that he really wanted to leave everything behind, but he couldn't. And then one part of him decided to completely let go of his past, and the second, so carefree and hyper-joyful, went on to save the universes. Something fabulous and incomprehensible, but thank you for bringing Donna and their duo back to us for at least a couple of pleasant episodes.
Two TARDIS and two Doctors is generally like something contrary to the laws, however, after last seasons we all know that the canons of Doctor Who seem to be still being written and will be written the way the screenwriters want) Maybe Tennant's Doctor will still save the new Doctor's ass, who knows, it will be a good move for the future.
I remember how I used to literally cry at regenerations...I saw more comical things here. It's not bad, it's simple...otherwise.
The funny thing is that they literally shared: one doctor left his pants, the second took his sneakers:D
But I'm glad that they beat me quite unexpectedly with this budding, otherwise death from such a shot would have looked like just "for show", because a new actor needs to be introduced.
I quote RTD below:
"Bigeneration, we discover, is an ancient myth of the Time Lords where instead of a new body taking over from the old body, the new body separates from the old body and both are left alive."
"a whole timeline bigenerated"
"I think all of the Doctors came back to life with their individual TARDISes, the gift of the Toymaker, and they're all out there travelling round in what I'm calling a Doctor verse."
"Sylvester McCoy woke up in a drawer, in a morgue, in San Francisco… and Jon Pertwee woke up on the floor of the laboratory,"
And this is a quote from the Seventh of the new spin-off Tales of the TARDIS, which is also produced by the RTD team "Time streams are funny things. In some, I regenerate. In others, I don't. It's all a matter of perspective."
BUT, as with Chibnell's "Temporary Child", which opened the door for endless regenerations of the Doctor without having to beg for a new cycle of regenerations from Timelords every 50 years and for new unknown faces of the Doctor before the First, Davis's "bi-generation" in this slightly drug-addicted explanation with different timelines also opened the door for somewhat is important is that now in the future the aged versions of the Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, Tenth, Eleventh, Thirteenth, of course the Fourteenth and all subsequent Doctors will be able to appear in the series as "fragmented" aged versions of themselves from parallel timelines, and not as holograms /projections of consciousness and so on.
Although it would be better if Russell still did not talk about this view of bi-generation in an interview and would just suddenly return in one of the following seasons such a "fragmented" aged Doctor. It would be a cool surprise, the basis of which would have been laid in advance in the anniversary specials in honor of the 60th anniversary of the series. And after meeting with some of the older "fragmented" Doctors from parallel timelines, viewers would speculate about whether the same thing is possible with other Doctor's faces or there is only one parallel timeline.
And now this "the whole timeline of the Doctor has been generated" feels a little like an unnecessary retcon at this particular moment, revealed purely for the purpose of strigger those who scream and cry at every sneeze that the Doctor Who series is being destroyed.
I still tend to treat bigeneration the same way, but with a little less negativity and RTD is still not an asshole. But regeneration has been completely turned into a circus and they no longer cause any emotions except nervous laughter. They lived to see it
gt;it's only in new school that they made a superdramatic event out of it
To be fair, the vast majority (about 84%) only watched new school. On MyShows, classics has 23340 viewers, and newschool has 149502
(Newnewschool has 4175 so far, but I think when the finals are over and the episodes begin, people will catch up)
And secondly, what does angst and drama have to do with it? Did I say a word about that? The emotional spectrum is much wider. And by the way, the "superdramatic event" in new school was only the regeneration of the same 10th, and I can't stand it. Well, the 12th has caught up with a little more theatrics. The 9th generally left with a smile (my favorite regenerations are just his and the 11th).
First of all, I am not satisfied with the violation of the internal logic and physics of the series. Why the fuck did the clothes regenerate with the Doctor from the 13th to the 14th? Although this has never happened, and even in exactly the same series during forced regeneration, this was not observed? And twice!
Why the fuck did the clothes go through the clothes and split during the current budding? The meta-crisis 10th quite logically grew out of the hand naked, so here the clothes should have torn and the two of them would have stood naked, even if they had brought unit clothes.
With a show-off, we had never seen him in it before =3
Also, the First regenerated into the Second in new clothes.
RTD has already explained why Jody regenerated along with her clothes, there is nothing to discuss here, everything has already been forgotten and forgotten.
gt; What the hell happened during the current budding, the clothes went through the clothes and separated
What the hell are sand monsters out of your eyes for? What the fuck is the moon doing with this egg? Why the fuck is the Statue of Liberty a crying angel?
You can go on like this all day, Doctor Who has always been and will sometimes be illogical in places. You either have to put up with this, or not look at it at all, but you just don't have to say that this didn't happen before, it would have happened more than once.
Well, you should at least quote or tell me where to find it, otherwise I obviously missed it, since I'm asking this question. And, of course, you are strong, you can speak for everyone at once = 3
(P.S. if you have to explain something not in the series, but outside of it, this already says a lot)
"What the hell are sand monsters out of your eyes for? What the fuck is the moon doing with this egg? Why the fuck is the Statue of Liberty a crying angel? You can go on like this all day."
You can't. My question concerns the violation of basic physics, which the series did not so brazenly bolt on without explanation before. It's as if people on Earth in the series suddenly started jumping 10 meters up out of the blue and no one would pay attention to it or explain it in any way. And you're just exaggerating and trying to give an example of the plot-forming elements of the series that have their nominal explanations (it doesn't matter if they're good or bad, but they are). It's not the same thing.
"I immediately confidently decided that I did not want David to wear a Jody suit during regeneration. It seems to me that the theme of men dressing up in "women's clothes" — the theme of drag — is very delicate. I am a big fan of this culture and I really appreciate the dignity inherent in it. But it should be done with great intelligence and respect. And, with all due respect to Jody and her Doctor, it seems to me that if a heterosexual man wears her clothes, it might look like a mockery. If you dress up a tall Scotsman in her costume, it may seem like a mockery. And I guarantee you that some newspapers would print only this frame indefinitely. If they could play the topic of gender sarcastically or critically, they would do it. We could have dressed the Doctor up as a knight, or a god, or William Hartnell, but only a photograph of David in what is considered women's clothing would have reached print. And then it would turn into a weapon — as a mockery of feminine features, of drag, of this culture. And I decided that this was not going to happen. Knowing that David would appear after regeneration, I firmly decided that clothes should regenerate. And nothing would have changed my mind."
I am not exaggerating anything, I have given examples that have not been sufficiently explained. The series periodically put a bolt on different things, now, as they say, they put a bolt on regeneration, although I do not agree with this.
And as for bigeneration, it seems to me that it is too early to draw any conclusions, maybe some answers will be given during the season, besides, there are already some rumors on this topic.
Thank you! There will be something to see for the New Year holidays :)
Immensely grateful!
- David Tennant as the Fourteenth (1 month)
- Peter Capaldi (3 years 2 months)
- John Hurt (1 day)
- Matt Smith (3 years 8 months)
- David Tennant as the Tenth (4 years and 1 week)
- Christopher Eccleston (4 months old)
- Paul McGann (1 day)
- Sylvester McCoy (2 years 3 months)
- Colin Baker (2 years 8 months)
- Peter Davison (2 years 2 months)
- Patrick Troughton (2 years 7 months)
- William Hartnell (2 years 11 months)
Only Tom Baker and, with a stretch, John Pertwee were in the role of the Doctor for so long that "a generation grew up"
I understand what you mean - the Thirteenth had short seasons (10, 10 and 6 episodes due to the removal of Capaldi, who has 3 seasons of 12, or with Tennant and Smith, who have 3 seasons of 13) and there are also fewer special editions, and the breaks are long because of the coronovirus. I would also like more Jody, and unfortunately Jokey's seasons will also be small (in the first and second seasons there will be only 8 episodes each)
But you are still wrong about the "couple of years"
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, but on the stage of a family dinner I cried, of course
just here, as we see, no one is offended by the fact that a black man walks in his underpants in front of everyone, but a tennat in uni sex clothes would offend. okay.
in general, the plot with the toyboy is very cool, a pleasant series, except for the end, which came out very contradictory.
But as for the scenario move, to be honest, it's a mess in my head, I don't know what I feel at all. I knew about double regeneration, and in principle I liked how it all looked (the moments between David and Jokey just hit the heart, ESPECIALLY when the 15th calmed and hugged the 14th). I like that David was given the opportunity to return to the series, technically anytime, that Donna wasn't killed, that he now has a family. And from the point of view of rebooting the universe, it is also clear why they did what they did (even the second TARDIS!). But in general it looked somehow... Is it too short, or what? I don't know how to explain it myself, I need to think about it.
Another of the advantages of the series is Neil Patrick Harris, who fits in perfectly, and a huge number of mentions of previous satellites and companions, events, places that happened to previous versions of the Doctor (special thanks for mentioning River, she screamed!!!)
In short, I have no doubt about Joking at all, and in anticipation of all the episodes with him, and let's see where the plot leads us in the end
P.S. Manicured nails that took a Toyboy's tooth - a hint of a new Master?
I want to tie it somehow to the fact that it was necessary to return Donna's memory, but uh, it seems to me that I'm already looking for loopholes
So by the "Chuckle" there were almost no people left who could react unpleasantly to the fact that the actress stood for a while in this episode and looked like
In general, Wild Blue Yonder is the best of the 3 specials, but this is not at all the level of the anniversary episodes of kmk.
I want a spinnoff in short, where the 14 Doctor meets 10 and they hang out together in the Tardis.
Okay, from the good news: I'm delighted with the picture. They're using this Disney budget to the fullest! It's massive, but it looks very authentic!!!
Neil Patrick Harris was a wonderful solution. This mix of German and English, emotions, movements, he's amazing!! the dance was just KILLER, the vibe of the Master, but better)
the dolls are creepy, all the time I was thinking about Billy from the Saw and about Chucky. in general, they decided to focus on horror movies in recent episodes, and I like it!!!
Jokey is amazing, I didn't expect to see him so early, but I enjoyed every second (thanks for not giving him pants). They are such a contrast, it's a hug and a kiss on the forehead, I died of sweetness, by the
way, I got sneakers when I separated. I wonder if this is a metaphor that Tennant won't need them anymore, or just an accident?...
All in all, the series is amazing again. at the beginning it seems to be delayed, but then everything makes sense very quickly. I hope that soon we will find out the answers to all questions. 8/10 for the misunderstandings with bi-regeneration, but I hope RTD is hatching some kind of plan and we'll get back to it
The first option is that the 14th Doctor is now needed for some kind of spin-off, because RTD promised to expand the universe, and then during the regeneration of the Fifteenth, he can merge back into one with him, as the Observer merged with the Fourth to regenerate into the Fifth.
The second option was thrown up in the comments above and I like it more - the Fourteenth one will someday regenerate into the Curator we saw in "The Day of the Doctor". This can also be summed up by the Curator's words to the Eleventh after [I never forget faces] - "and soon you will meet/visit some old acquaintances", and after that the Twelfth has the face of Cecilia, and the Fourteenth has the face of the Tenth, and the Curator himself has the face of the Fourth (and later the voice of the Sixth). It is possible that even Valeyard is one of the regenerations of THIS branch of the Doctor, somewhere between the Fourteenth and the Curator.
And also from the fun, if one day one of the future writers of the series wants to rewrite the events of "The Judoon Fugitive", "Temporary Children" and "Stream" a little, then now Dr. Ruth may be one of the subsequent regenerations of the Fourteenth, this would explain the presence of her TARDIS in the form of a policeman booths despite the fact that she was supposed to be before Hartnell according to Chibnell's idea, and the problems with the fact that she does not remember how she was Thirteenth and was in the Division can be explained by some kind of timey-vimey.
P.S. Anyway, I think it was done for Tennant. Now he has formally remained a Doctor forever. And if he has another argument with Mayel Shin like "I'm a Doctor!"-"Not anymore!", David will be able to say "Suck it."
Here I tried to depict the canons of the new timeline. It turns out that we have a main timeline where there is an actual Doctor + all the past ones before their regenerations and the Doctors' answers after regeneration. That is, each Doctor now has a version from the main timeline and a fragmented version, but Tennant has as many as 5 versions: the main Tenth, metacrisis, fragmented Tenth, Main Fourteenth and fragmented Fourteenth. Let them shoot a new version of the Five Doctors where all the Doctors are Tennant.
"a whole timeline bigenerated".
"I think all of the Doctors came back to life with their individual TARDISes, the gift of the Toymaker, and they're all out there travelling round in what I'm calling a Doctor verse."
"Sylvester McCoy woke up in a drawer, in a morgue, in San Francisco… and Jon Pertwee woke up on the floor of the laboratory"
about Michael to the point, I think about that video from the first series of special releases ahaha
I like fan theories linking bigeneration to the Curator more.
So for myself personally (headcannon) I prefer to consider Tennant's bigeneration/Gatva was something unique, inconsistencies with the Second and Jamie are "season 6B", and "Stories from the TARDIS" is not a canon, but just a pleasant gift for fans of classics. At least until the "splinter" Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Seventh seasons begin to appear in the Fifteenth.
Bi-regeneration is normal, but I didn't like that two Docks ended up remaining in the universe (also with two Tardis). Tennant deserved a great ending and a decent regeneration after the shameful "I don't want to leave", but he didn't leave here either. After that, Dr. Jokey will seem like some kind of by-product, because the main Doc was retired on Earth. I hope that RTD has plans for the "original" Doctor and this line will not just hang open for the rest of the years.
In addition, if spin-offs like "Torchwood" and "The Adventures of Sarah Jane" start to come out again under the leadership of RTD, then Chibnell can do one of them if he wants. Chibnell wrote the scripts for OBJECTIVELY THE BEST episodes of Torchwood.
I was more surprised that in the story about Amy, the Toymaker used one doll and did not tell about Rory, that was strange.
And look at it - Martha will get a separate doctor one day
The second half is a joke, pliz, put on your pants) It's not that I don't like it, but I probably should)))
Sorry XD
I would also call Smith, but in fairness, he just shone with everything - in the "Eleventh Hour" without a shirt, in the "Guest" in one towel in the "Doctor's Time" generally naked XD
Донне повезло больше всего, у нее Доктор с тардис, так что проблем с жилплощадью у него не будет
понравился РТД, верно одевший молодого актера в кеды и рубашку, тем самым привлекая внимание не только к характеру персонажа ;-)
безумно рада, что у Донны появился свой Докта, поддерживаю комментарии выше из серии "ДАЁШЬ ВСЕМ ПО ДОКТОРУ!") хотя, на текущий момент ощущение, что "настоящий" почему-то остался на Земле, а "скопипащенный" полетел Вселенную спасать, надеюсь, это ощущение уйдет с новыми сериями.
начинала смотреть Докту, когда мне было 12, и вот уже его играет мой ровесник :С
если честно, я пока не знаю, как себя чувствовать по поводу этой би-генерации. кажется, в основном у меня вызывает вопросы только то, что, видимо, все травмы остались старой версии доктора, а свеженький доктор ушел развлекаться и набивать новые шишки. хз, наверное чувство вины за флакс и экзистенциальный кризис после встречи с мамой лежали в карманах штанов
вот интересно, раз уж нам намекают на возвращение мастера, что он скажет по этому поводу? попытается ли собрать доктора обратно? или он уже после таймлесс чайлда охренел от жизни и больше не будет с вопросами по регенерациям доставать доктора?
на самом деле хотелось бы в будущем увидеть, как доктора пересекаются еще раз друг с другом, даже если будут оба с новыми лицами. весь ньюскул доктора по сути определяло его одиночество как тайм лорда, а теперь у него есть сиблинг. даже с учетом его уникальности как таймлесс чайлда, сейчас у него наконец-то есть кто-то родной и близкий, кто НЕ БУДЕТ пытаться его убить
Типа всё с чистого листа, себя надо любить, живем один раз, гуляем на все!) Образу Шути такое идет.
In the TeamTARDIS Vkontakte group, sometimes comics in Russian are posted: https://vk.com/wall-29166271_726865 (by the way, there is a list of books translated into Russian there https://vk.com/page-29166271_50177614 )
But I have not seen audio plays in translation, perhaps because translating audio plays seems to negate the whole purpose and original idea of audio plays - to invite talented beloved actors to play their roles again. No offense to any of the voice actors, I love them and respect their work, but it's one thing to re-sound Tennant when I see Tennant on the screen and it's quite another thing to re-sound Tennant when he only has a voice.
Well, the plot of the audio plays, if desired, can be read somewhere on the TARDIS Wiki
Not so long ago, the Master danced to Rasputin, in "Mummy on the Orient Express" the singer Foxes created an atmosphere with her cover of "Don't Stop Me Now" by Queen, once upon a time another Master lit up to "I Can't Decide" by Scissor Sisters and "Voodoo Child" by Rogue Traders, before that there was a gorgeous Talula and her "Put the Devil in Me", and at the very beginning of the revived series, the henchmen of the living trampoline killed visitors to the station hanging over the burning Ground under "Toxic" by Britney Spears
The other musical inserts are cool, I don't argue. But spice up your life is now at the top of the top.
But "Spice Up Your Life" is now really at the top of the top. Of course, she has a slight unfair advantage in that she plays completely in the episode (2 verses + 2 choruses), while all the other songs listed by me were cut to 1 chorus or to 1 verse + 1 chorus.
But Neil Patrick Harris is such a talented and charismatic devil that he would probably bring the cropped version to the top of the top. He has a couple of solo musical numbers in "33 misfortunes", but even when the song is performed by an ensemble of actors, Harris definitely steals all the attention and hearts of the audience.
And it's very strange. I actually usually like characters like that. Unfortunately, something clearly went wrong here.
I don't know about anyone, but somehow everything worked out in my head, plus such endings from RTD don't seem surprising to me, :) In terms of psychology, especially after Flux, all this could not go without consequences, our time lord really needs rest, kmk, that's why they left Tennant's regeneration :) By the way, all the magic can be attributed to the toymaker and it's okay!
The last scene with Tennant was very touching!
Personally, I don't think Tennant will return, there have been similar finals before, after which the Persians did not return, but who knows, who knows)
Joking well, very charismatic, immediately pleased! I'm really looking forward to his episodes!
Thanks to RTD for the crazy rush, we are waiting for the Christmas rush and the new season!
And about the series, it's funny, of course, to know some spoilers before the release of the series. For example, the scene with the hammer was leaked in general in the summer of 2022, but then it sounded strange, like, a Doctor without Pants with a hammer, what?
About bi-regeneration was also leaked this summer and then it sounded very fast and in the series it was shown strangely, or rather explained. When I read the late leaks, I realized that the 15th of the future 14th Doctor just appeared ahead of time.
That is, logically, 14 will have to rest with Donna and her family, work out his injuries and only then regenerate on the 15th and end up during the battle with the Toymaker. But although there are already rumors that Tennant may appear in the season with Jokey, so we are waiting.
Well, the series is glorious, yes, NPH stole absolutely all the scenes, the scene under Old Spice is absolute greatness, Kate and Mel are very cool in the series, I'm glad they're still coming back.
It's a good joke, but until the Doctor gets him hooked, we'll see what happens next.
Моя любимая Донна, и их дуэт с Доктором, и они остались вместе, как лучшие друзья и семья, аааа, это тот фансервис которого мы заслуживаем! Радует, что есть потенциально возможность увидеть их снова в будущем. Было бы очень грустно расставаться с ними навсегда, и можно пока выдохнуть с облегчением, что Донне не досталась трагичная концовка 2.0.
Терапия для Доктора? Это очень даже напрашивалось многие сезоны подряд. Сценаристы любят закручивать сюжеты, ломать персонажей и играть на эмоциях, и конечно можно легко взять регенерировать и сделать вид, что ничего этого не было, что Доктор ЗАБЫЛ, но блин. Но блин... травма там давно накапливалась, и Доктор все-таки не железный.
А как проехались по спутникам, которые умерли, но не совсем, и поэтому все якобы окей... ох) Вот за такое бережное отношение к проработке персонажей я и люблю РТД. С сюжетами его порой бывает заносит, это да, но боже, мне хотелось верить, что вернется вот эта душевность прошлых его сезонов, и РТД не подвел.
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Эти ссылки конечно некликабельные (если не установить расширение типа https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/clickable-links/mgamelhnfokapndfdodnmfiningckjia), но всегда же можно выделить мышкой и скопировать/перейти.
It's not entirely clear, the Doctor is still alone, and then he will somehow combine with 15m or another regeneration when he works out his problems. Or, after all, we now have two Doctors, each of whom will go his own way, and the 15th has no problems, because he stupidly left this part of himself with the 14th.
In general, I hope in the future they will somehow combine it back and the Doctor after therapy will still become one, and not remain with a split personality. Just in time for the next anniversary, it will be possible to make such a scene, at the same time invite Tennant back to the series, and before that he will probably appear a couple of times just in the series, because it's not for nothing that they left on the 14th:) I don't want them to forget about it, leaving it unexplained.
In general, despite all the trash happening on the screen, I liked the series. I don't know if I'm biased, if that's really the case, but even the broken "canon" again (Is there one at all?) RTD looks somehow more organic and holistic, and is not annoying, as it was with Chibnell. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the very atmosphere of the series is similar to the first seasons of new school, for which I fell in love with the series, only now with big budgets. Perhaps because none of the characters look like cardboard. And the plot itself is more interesting and fascinating, it looks in one go.
The toymaker is amazing, NPH played great. And the dance scene in the Unit fell in love immediately.
I liked the 15th doctor right away, just like I immediately went to the 10th and 12th, and then they became my favorite regenerations, so I hope it will be the same here. In his behavior and movements, it is felt that he is still the same Doctor, although he has changed.
For the first time in a long time, I feel like I'm looking forward to both the Christmas episode and the new season, which hasn't happened for a very long time, probably since the middle of the first season of the 13th.
Еще заметила задел на будущее, Игрушечник сказал, что он играл со всеми, но от одного он прятался, потому что опасался с ним играть. Не просто же так была вставлена эта реплика. Интересно кого такого мощного опасался Игрушечник, и как это нечто столкнется с Доктором.
Ну и какие полчища Игрушечника нужно опасаться, о которых он упоминал перед своим исчезновением тоже не ясно пока.
Ну и конечно жду нового появления Мастера. На самом деле, мне бы хотелось увидеть Мастера, не то что адекватнее (это наверно уже будет не Мастер), а скорее более дружелюбным к Доку, как Мисси под конец.
С другой стороны возможно в этот раз вместо того чтобы вернуть культового злодея из классики, Рассел Т. Дэвис придумал кого-то нового, и сейчас будет его тизерить на протяжении всего сезона маленькими намёками и упоминаниями как было с "Bad Wolf", "Vote Harold Saxon", "Torchwood" и исчезнувшими планетами и пчёлами.
But the fact that another doctor, and even with a TARDIS, now just sits and does not interfere with threats to earth (and they will certainly be) is a strange decision for me
When they started talking about the house and all that, I decided that he would go to galifrey, or look for answers to a more distant past for himself, and then he just settled with Donna. It's cute, of course, but it's kind of shallow or something
Jokingly, there's really nothing to say yet, but I didn't cause any negativity, and that's the main thing.
Let's see what happens next
This eternal theme of DC about the creation and destruction that humanity carries always resonates.
Thanks for the last two episodes, I'm sitting and crying! I'm going to miss them again. 😭
"If you take away all the toys, who am I?" 🥺
In fact, it is very logical that the face of the 10th returned and that in the end he stayed again, because of all the doctors, he is the only one who never wanted to leave! There are, of course, questions about how all this will work with two doctors and two tardis in the same universe.
Make jokes too, fire, great casting!
I am so glad that Donna is alive and the good end is, everyone is alive, 14 has received his therapy.
I'm not sure I like the biregeneration move.
But I liked Neil Patrick Harris!
and Joke too :)
In general, this episode was just such a special episode, when there were several doctors, and several satellites, and the Avengers tower and a star in the role of the antagonist, and regeneration, and several tardis!
But as I like the previous episode a lot more so far, it seems that I personally missed the usual episode with the tenth /fourteenth and Donna much more. It's good that in the end there is such a regular episode, and a special edition like today!
We are waiting for Christmas now :)
The toy maker is gorgeous. I love these tricksters.
In general, I did not watch the series with him in old school (and there are some difficulties with it, there is no normal option, only static pictures with sound). But I liked the character, as they say, in absentia, according to the description and comments of those who watched. I remember when rumors were just beginning to spread about who Harris would play, I was hoping with all my heart for a Toyboy. And yes, that's how it turned out. Hurray!
But, in my opinion, they didn't put the squeeze on it a little bit. I would like to throw the whole unit out of the series (and come up with another cameo for Mel). Make more games. Surrealism. Maybe a pinch of horror. That's just a pinch. And more humor. So that everything is bright and fun.
And so it seems cool, but it feels like the whole huge potential of the character just didn't put the squeeze on.
As with many other series of the First and Second Doctors. But as with some of them, a full-fledged animation will be made for "Celestial Toymaker", the trailer was recently posted. The visual style of the human characters is a bit strange, it seems to me that for some reason the authors were inspired by the games from TellTale Games and the pilot of the animated series "The Amazing Digital Circus"
https://youtu.be/Ncdtvn8H_Bk?si=b6Ehr5n5WCDv6r-t
In any case, the more lost episodes are restored in the form of animation, the better in my opinion. I would like to see the entire Hartnell and Troughton era re-released in animation, preferably with color (ideally with a 16:9 wide screen, and rewiring all short twenty-minute episodes into large forty-minute and one-and-a-half-hour ones). Then maybe I would finally decide to watch the classics...
I liked the toy maker back in the Classics, and it didn't disappoint here. His games were creepy. Especially the "live" doll and the talking dolls that attacked Donna.
About the unusual appearance of a new Dock. Well, I'm fine on the whole. And Joking, I liked the Doctor on first impression. In terms of energy, it somehow reminded me of the 11th mixed with the 6th. It will be interesting to see his seasons.
Tennant remained the eternal Doctor!☺️☺️☺️ I am very happy for him and for his personal happy ending.
What an intrigue. Who picked up the Toymaker's tooth. From the sound of it, it seemed to me that Kate.
In short, RTD explained the new realities of DC and he says that this bigeneration occurred immediately throughout the timeline of the Doetor and with each regeneration a fragmented timeline was formed where the regenerated Doctor survived and continued to travel and that is why the Doctor sometimes met older past Doctors, everything is simple - these are fragmented versions of the same Doctors who survived in their timeline. For example, in this way you can explain the series "Two Doctors" where the Second along with Jamie, both aged and at the same time mention Wargame, although they can't because in this series Jamie's memory was erased, and the Doctors were forcibly regenerated into a Third, and now this is explained by the fact that the Sixth crossed paths with the fragmented Second, who in his timeline saved his companions and went on to travel and then crossed paths with the main Sixth.
Here I tried to depict the canons of the new timeline. It turns out that we have a main timeline where there is an actual Doctor + all the past ones before their regenerations and the Doctors' answers after regeneration. That is, each Doctor now has a version from the main timeline and a fragmented version. What is shown at the end of the series is the timeline of the Fourteenth survivor, and Jokey flew on in the main timeline.
Here are RTD's direct quotes to make it clear:
"a whole timeline bigenerated".
"I think all of the Doctors came back to life with their individual TARDISes, the gift of the Toymaker, and they're all out there travelling round in what I'm calling a Doctor verse."
"Sylvester McCoy woke up in a drawer, in a morgue, in San Francisco… and Jon Pertwee woke up on the floor of the laboratory"
And he also said that Tales of the TARDIS canon and Shard Seventh says the following: "Time streams are funny things. In some, I regenerate. In others, I don't. It's all a matter of perspective."
С би-регенерацией они намудрили конечно, надеюсь это означает что мы ещё увидим Теннанта и Тейт в сериале. Люблю я их очень.
И хоть никто не умер и не регенерировал, всё равно как-то грустно мне, не понимаю почему.
Новый Доктор ну очень весёлый, по сравнению с 14 небо и земля. В принципе актёр мне нравится, посмотрим.
Пятнадцатый пока норм, значительно лучше докторки. Но кто знает, как всё будет. Может, ещё сильнее повесточкой задушат. Инвалидка, оказывается, ходить умеет. Спецом для неё сделали пандус в тардис, но она даже внутрь не заехала и спутником не станет. Как обычно, повесточка ради повесточки. То же касается и Ибрагима в Юните.
Вообще глупость делать тайную организацию общественной, ещё и штаб-квариру так выделять. Это же всех сотрудников подвергает опасности. Да и, думаю, эпизод со сбитием южнокорейского спутника не получит никакого развития.
Касательно бигенерации. Это очень забавно, два эпизода загонять, что всё вокруг небинарное и выкатывать бинарное. Казалось бы, благодатная почва запустить сразу несколько сериалов, как у сидаба. Но нет, опять забудут про Четырнадцатого и сконцентрируются на Пятнадцатом. Эсхильда вообще не факт, что когда-то появится.
I just watched a YouTube video about a Toymaker the other day, and as I understood it, two factors played here - first, the creator of the character originally intended that he would be called just Toymaker, and celestial was just an epithet put into the episode title, which the First Doctor called him, and in the script the word celestial was written with a small letter. But there was a misunderstanding, and the audience decided that his correct name was completely "Celestial Toymaker". Thus, getting rid of the prefix "celestial" was a return to the original idea of the author who invented this character
The second reason was that in the ~ 60 years since the episode was released, the word celestial has acquired a slight racist connotation when it is applied to Asians, and since the first Toyboy performed by Michael Gough (by the way, Alfred from the four Batman films of the 90s) wore traditional Asian clothes, then remove the association of the word celestial with this character should help smooth out a little negative context.
Disney is also possible/Marvel and their Celestials Didn't want competition, or Ed Sheeran filed for copyright
(the last paragraph is a joke if anything)
A series that already smacks of an anniversary! Finally!
Why there were the first two — I don't understand, apparently, to sprinkle salt on the edge of the universe)
Toymaker - fire!) The thing with the appearance of a chuckle is something...It is not very clear, it strongly smacks of a story about an Archangel, which was immediately remembered.
Neil is gorgeous! But I'm very used to him in the role of Barney))
What a pity he didn't tell the new Doctor to "Get dressed up!" when he appeared in his underpants :D .
The second red-haired companion is too old-school, I didn't look, I didn't appreciate it, but I put a plus sign.
The unit in Stark Tower with a super duper laser is awesome))
The way the Doctor once again (as when he confused Donna and the clone in the pre-series) messed up, just quickly running into the door and forgot to enter Donna (again)... RukaLizo, of course.
The fact that the Doctor as a whole fell for the Toyboy's trick and ran after him is also a dubious act.
Matser lost to the toymaker!!! How is it at all?)) How could the Master lose? And where it is, I want to see what kind of games were there)
Well, the ending with the tooth is mmmmmmm)
Bigreeneration - gygy! :D Came up with the same)) But it was warm to my heart that now we have another one (after Handy) Doctor Tennant, and even on Earth and in our reality, there is hope for another return (RTD, do not let me down!).
The new Docta. Well... So far, it's strange. He didn't even have any confusion, he just got out and was ready for everything. No shock for you. Apparently, bioregeneration works like that, yes. Hobbaaa...and that's it)
How the Toymaker could not catch the ball is strange. But apparently the two Docts are too cool.
The thing with the second TARDIS looks too cheesy and strained, but it's still good that the Tennant Doctor can now travel.
I wonder if he can regenerate now? Or is that all?)
The hugs of the two Doctors were a little too much. But okay, Lando, I don't see anything like that here. They're just very...relatives)
I hope the new Doctor will be the wrong one...)
"Rose" in the end, personally, caused me rather negative emotions. I hope that he will definitely not come back anymore.
I want a spin-off with Tennant :) But it will most likely eclipse the ratings of the main series and it will be bad.
(the UNIT is just like a SHIELD now.)
but it seemed to me that somehow there was not enough of such a cool villain. NPH is very good
, we can only hope that he will return in future episodes
It seems they are definitely trying to forget the era of Chibnell, the Toyboy showed only the companions of 11 and 12 Doctors))
well, for me personally, so much the better. I haven't watched the seasons with the 13th Doctor.
with this split, of course, I am confused. like, so far they've had the same memory and all that. Now they're separated and everyone's living their own lives?
and what will happen next with regeneration? Will Dr. Tennant live to a ripe old age and, like, refuse to regenerate? (I just assumed)
in short, there are plenty of questions
I looked at the teaser for the next episode...
it's really something new. and as they wrote above, it's more youthful, or something. It's like he left all the drama in Dr. Tennant. I hope not. I love the Doctor precisely because, despite all his optimism and heroism, he always remains a wise old man who has seen life.
A doctor in a skirt dancing in a club?
It's like I saw footage from "sex education"
okay. Let's wait and see
I agree with the comments above that this may be an opportunity to explain what happened to the wound.
For example, a Curator and Another doctor.
The relaunch of the series turned out well. Now it will be even more interesting to watch the new doctor.
И конечно же Мастер!!! Или Мистресс, судя по красным ногтям... Очень жду.
п.с. вы тоже в сцене, где Игрушечник танцевал в ЮНИТ, вспомнили ту самую сцену из кяввм с песней про костюмы?
And Donna's balls are really made of iron 😁
To see the dolls of Emmy Pond and Clara Oswald in the toymaker's show was very surprising and pleasant, there had been no mention of them for a long time.
I'm generally shocked by bigeneration, I want each companion to have a Tennant, Rosa and Donna already have their own personal Doctors
A beautiful man, a beautiful man. Perhaps without underpants
and of course spice appeared in the performance of the toymaker top
I'm glad they mentioned almost everyone. But Martha Zyza wasn't on that list
. Who wants Torchwood back?
I liked almost everything except the pace - again, everything was too hasty and with a lot of jumps. The series would fit perfectly into the Flux - about the same pace. Well, I also have a claim that Kate is like furniture again, except for the scene where she demonstrates the effect of waves on herself.
And I put the series 4 out of 5.
And then I was confused and came up with the idea that 10-14 is a Doctor for millennials, and 15 is for zoomers. And that 14 has worn out is about millennials too, and the way for zoomers. And this is ageism. What the hell difference does it make? I am also surprised that RTD did not shit on the 12th incarnation and did not declare that it was the terminal stage and the Doctor's gut screamed about wear and tear.
And then I went to watch a documentary about the shooting of the series. I wish I hadn't done that. What kind of RTD is a dark person.
Wearing someone else's national costume is a cultural appropriation, because the Heavenly Toymaker was a racist in 1966
But we're in 2023 and that's why we added a racist aspect to him anyway @ apparently a joke about warmer climes for a guy who came to buy a doll AND a GERMAN ACCENT
I thought that the German accent was just a joke, a joke, because there are associations with inviting people - you need an outlandish accent, and in films / TV series about the 19th century, for example, this is how they show, all sorts of entertainers-enticers sometimes speak with an accent.
But now, because of his crappy comment, I perceive it differently - in his old head, the first thought for a racist is to choose a German accent, and to think that well, HE's in 2023 and the Germans have already suffered everything - no, whatever. I just don't have any censorious words and this is a fierce cringe. I wish RTD to travel around Europe more (fortunately, it is nearby) and look at any other country. Germany is the most selfish and liberal, and racism will be the first thing to fly here.
Spain: they shout something at you and stare at you all the time
Switzerland: migrants, go home
Netherlands: choose the right and want to make life harder for migrants
French: French is superior and in general you are dirt from under your fingernail
Trash. Grandfather, get more rest!
by the way, I will write about this separately - it also seems to me to be utter nonsense, because this is the personification of the chaos of the Universe and nothing more, if it took on such an appearance - it says something about the Doctor or the people of that time, rather than about a Toy
Besides, if a creature from non-existence turns into Donna so much that it ceases to be aware of itself, then what is the danger of such a creature? it will not be able to "multiply", because it does not understand that it, a creature from non-existence, needs to capture other minds, so all the horror from the previous series is lost, then why kill them - you just need to wait until they are so integrated into their prototypes and forget that they are "villains")
You see, you can find fault with any plot move. I'm not defending now how they wrapped up here with this bioregeneration, but any move that seems "better" can also stumble upon its counterarguments)
You can shoot a new version of the Five Doctors purely with Tennant
But in fact - do not take these words of Russell T. Davis to heart yet, this is a dubious statement about the fact that the entire timeline of the Doctor has been bigenerated - at the moment it is nonsense and absurd, said in order to fit into the updated canon the older versions of the former Doctors who appeared in the spin-off "Tales of the TARDIS" (https://old.myshows.me/view/86963 / - in fact, these are just selected episodes of the classic "Doctor Who" of 1963-1989 for which 5 minutes were filmed at the beginning and at the end of the episode with older Doctors and companions)
Until some of the aged "fragmented" Doctors appear in the new "Doctor Who" (unless, of course, the Curator is considered such), the words about the bigeneration of past Doctors are just a hype for the sake of a haight for the sake of a hype.
In addition, they left a loophole to pull David back into the series if necessary.
The toyboy turned out to be very bright, Neil Patrick Harris never fails in this regard.
A good episode with a very sweet ending.
The only significant advantage of this division move is that we got a real restart, and the new Doctor can be considered not even the Fifteenth, but the First, everything started from scratch. And the old Doctor has finally retired, if I may say so. Jokey Gava, by the way, shines with charisma, so I think he will make an excellent Doctor. And yes, Neil Patrick Harris as a Toyboy was also very good, he would have made a good Doctor, if you think about it.
And yes, the golden tooth fell out. The Toymaker mentioned that there seemed to be a Master sitting there. So we are waiting for the return of the old villain. I wonder whose hand picked up that tooth. Is it really some kind of cult of worship of the Master again, as it was in the two-part series "The End of Time", which will bring him back to life?
As for admiring Gupta, oh, I'm sorry - Joke about Gatwa - I don't share the general hysteria about him. He's kind of incomprehensible so far and is not sure that he will pull out the role of a Doctor at all.
Well, let's see)
The toyboy was somehow simply leaked, I do not remember winning a sports competition in the Doctor yet, usually they ran with some tricks or difficult emotional decisions. But the box is still there, so there is a chance for his return)
The dancing scene was perky, reminiscent of 'everything everywhere and at once' and 'legion' in spirit.
It's funny how Tennant's mobile eyebrows were beaten at the end, I love the gif where he raises one eyebrow)
Tennant's eyebrows - a separate acting award for best performance!)
But it bothered me for a very long time - why did the Fifteenth appear in a shirt and underpants?))) But the actor fit into the role perfectly.
2) Damn, I understand all these "every tired traveler needs his Valinor", but when all this conversation about "stay here, and this one will fly further to surf the universe" took place, Doc had such a sad face. It's as if he realizes that he is being drained of a consolation prize and offered to sit on the bench while the young and the early prove themselves.
It smelled like a Doctor
I haven't watched the last few seasons, but it was nice to be back.
Jokey looks great, maybe it's a reason to come back)
Well, now I want a spin-off about Tennant. Let the young people look at the carefree Jester and Learn New York, and I'd rather stay with my true Doctor.
Bye Doctor, I'll miss you
here you have constant retcons, and some kind of clowning, and an absolute lack of drama, and cardboard characters...
The toymaker is good. An unscientific spontaneous theme from the classics looks unusual in new school.
But there is a general sense of fatigue from all three episodes. This carnival of fanservice, seasoned with an agenda, is only needed to sweeten the pill of inevitable innovations. Sadly.
that's the opinion after watching the series and reading all the comments...
it feels like there are no true DC fans left. charge the minusomets, drown them.
Over the past couple of days, while I was doing origami folding, I turned on YouTube and watched about thirty reactions from different people to "Star Beast", "Wild Blue Yonder" and "The Giggle". Real fans are crying with happiness to see David Tennant and Catherine Tate again, as well as Wilfred, Melanie Bush and Kate Stewart. The real fans are happy that Russell T. Davis is writing exciting scripts again, and Murray Gold is once again creating music that gives goosebumps. Real fans are inspired and intrigued by what a bright future Doctor Who will bring The Fifteenth Doctor performed by Jokey Gatva and his companion Ruby Rose performed by Millie Gibson (by the way, an excerpt from the Christmas special with a goblin song is simply awesome, and there is wild chemistry between the Fifteenth and Ruby: https://youtu.be/XXgnqGTOXTE?si=DxSHoz43WwA-NDh6 )
But fortunately all these racists, sexists, homophobes (in a word, fuckers) have tens and hundreds of times fewer views, and any adequate people understand which side in this "dispute" it is better and more correct to stand on
And the very first episode of the Jodie Whittaker era, "The Woman Who Fell to Earth," actually broke the BBC's long-standing record for the number of viewers on premiere day.
And I just want to note once again that the further into the forest, the more firewood there is... Oh, I didn't want to write that - the closer to our time, the less important the number of live views plays, more and more people switch to streaming every year. The number of viewers on the BBC in Britain for the three anniversary specials with David Tennant, in fact, no longer plays a role at all, because the main viewings come from all over the world on Disney+
For example, I know that the average rating of season 12 is 5.4 million, the average rating of season 13 is 4.95, of course there was a decrease in ratings, this is a fact, but it is unfounded to say that there were no views, well, that.
But let's look at where we can look, namely myshows. And what do we see?
The last season with Capaldi, not the most popular, by the way, the doctor - 640 thousand users of the side noted how they watched it. The first season with Jody - 300 thousand, the second season - 203 thousand, and the third, he is the last - 90 thousand. These are the most unsightly facts. The user himself notes what he has looked at. NINETY thousand. against 640 or more than one and a half million with Smith in the conditional 6th season.
Well, please ignore it! and considering what kind of feces you're looking at, you should have done it a long time ago.
> TV ratings are a very ephemeral substance and don't always take into account watching a series from start to finish.
You confuse broadcast channels with streaming, this may happen in streaming, but Doctor Who is shown on TV on BBC One, and not in streaming, so they count all the viewing time from start to finish and then count the average, you can even find 5-minute breakdowns in the right places and see which one the length of time how many people watched the series. In Britain, there is a BARB system that has been registering ratings for more than 50 years.
If you want to deny objective facts, it's your right.
Но что нужно знать про BARB? Участвующие зрители имеют на своих телевизорах коробку , которая отслеживает программы, которые они смотрят. То есть это какая-то фокус-группа, а не все телезрители Британии. В настоящее время в группе BARB участвуют около 5100 домов (что соответствует примерно 12 000 человек) . Это означает, что при общей численности населения Великобритании в 65 648 100 человек, согласно переписи 2016 года, каждый зритель с окном отчетности BARB представляет более 5 000 человек! И именно об этом я и говорю - а в Виларибо утверждают, что у них пиписька 20 см.
Так что там на счёт объективности? Вы бы для начала хотя бы матчасть изучили, прежде чем в споры и дискуссии лезть!
зы. пойми! BARB нужна не для учёта, а чтоб примерно представлять порядок цифр и пытаться втюхать рекламодателю то, что данный продукт смотря вот столько-то и столько-то. Это исключительно под рекламные вещи делается и настоящим учётом там и не пахнет, ибо погрешность колоссальная.
Ну так предыдущие сезоны точно также подсчитывались с помощью БАРБ)
По вашей логике, что тогда никто сериалы не смотрел, то и сейчас, получается, хотя уже БАРБ давно себя зарекомендовала как самая лучшая и точная система отслеживания рейтингов.
Я прекрасно разбираюсь в матчасти, я за рейтингами Доктора Кто уже больше 10 лет слежу, а вы по ходу даже не в курсе, что Би-би-си на рекламодателей начхать, по их каналам нет рекламы, потому что они делают доход засчет налога, но вы продолжайте дальше судить по циферкам майшоус, ваше право)
Что касается "на рекламодателей начхать" - это вы кому-то другому тут рассказываете и рейтинги не только для ВВС, а они и по другим каналам считают. Но это ваше "начхать", наглядно демонстрирует, на сколько вы вообще плаваете во всех этих ТВ-нюансах и выпускающий продукт должен быть конкурентоспособным.
лол, я щас глянул, откуда вы взяли эти цифры и очень громко смеюсь. Вы только посмотрите на этого гения математики)
По вашей логике, 1.5 млн у Смита это 1.5 млн уникальных зрителей (вернее 1.3), которые отметили серии и спешлы, админы майшоус наверное польщены таким показателям, но я вас вынужден разочаровать, это просто сумма просмотров всех серий и спешлов, у смита в 5 сезоне указано 19 различных серий и спешлов, в 7 сезоне и вовсе больше 2 млн, это не средние показатели, то есть если вы отметили все серии 5 сезона, значит у вас там будет 19 голосов, но спешлы то не все отмечают.
Если смотреть, то надо смотреть по уникальным просмотрам, по каждой серии, они снижаются с каждой серией из года в года, это нормально, особенно у долгоиграющих сериалов.
У первой серии Криса 107 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/25987/, у последней серии Криса 97 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/25999/
У первой серии теннанта 94 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/26000/, у последней серии теннанта 84 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/26038/
У первой серии смита 84 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/26039/ , у последней серии смита 72 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/1657672/
У первой серии капальди 62 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/2192314/, у последнее серии капальди 37 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/16033202/
У первой серии джоди 30 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/16606455/, у последней серии джоди 12 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/episode/16606455/
падение есть, тут даже никто не спорит, но оно и в рейтингах, которые считаются системой барб видно)
У новых спешлов вообще всего лишь 8 тыс просмотров https://myshows.me/view/87180/doctor-who-season-1/, это получается, что по вашей логике их смотрели еще даже меньше, чем серии с Джоди, ну полный провал)
сезона. Но цифирь в ДЕВЯНОСТО тысяч ничем не перебить., а многие, причём подавляющее число, не отмечают спешлы как просмотренные. Так же не отмечает система, если выбирать автоматом просмотренный сезон. Так что в полтора миллиона и в 90 тыс - это и есть более чем правдивые данные. Если же поделить на количество пользователей, кто вообще смотрел сезоны с Джоди, то там ситуация ещё плачевней.
Так отчего ты так отстаиваешь реальный низкокачественный продукт, пытаясь выдать его за что-то хорошее? Вопрос, как говорится - риторический... Ой не нужно так делать!
Всё, утомил... пш0л в игнор! Если увижу твою писанину, то я даже не знаю, что там написано, но минус свой поставлю, ибо ничего толкового ты просто не в состоянии написать, а значит - заслужил. Свободен!
It's time for the BBC to stop manipulating ratings. We all know that Doctor Who is dead.
Only Smith has 19 episodes in season 5, Jody has only 9 in the last one, it's clear to a fool that there will be fewer views, if you also take into account that the haste is much less often noted, and Jody even more so)
>> That's it, tired... psh0l is ignored!
But you called me yourself...
Oh, I don't like such an aggressive push to switch to a new design, even though it's not directly terrible-terrible, but just 20 percent less convenient...
They are already working on regenerations as they want. It used to be an EVENT, now it's some kind of circus.;
But the bigeneration solution is clearly something that RTD tried not to kill Tennant with for the second time in 13 years
Although knowing RTD, he can do it during the season with Jokes to make it even more painful for the fans
I liked the groundwork for something large-scale, which will still have time to prove itself in the coming seasons:
1. The Master (not again, but again) will return, which is generally expected, and this hand taking the tooth is an obvious reference to the return of Master John Simm
2. "The One Who Waits" sounds almost like "The One Who Stays" from Loki (it would be an epic crossover, but don't, please😅), so I hope for something cool
Well, will someone give the 15th pants already? Or does he not know where the wardrobe is in the Tardis?
Yes, yes, I am ready for hundreds of failures.
Well, in fact.
I have nothing against the new doctor, we will look, it was this turn that upset the story.
Последние 15 минут эпизода буквально вся состоит из it just happened.what?what?what?- повторяла бесконечно просто!!!
Но как же прекрасны Девид и Кэтрин!Обожаю их дуэт просто до бесконечности!Невероятные!Эмоции от их игры с лихвой покрывают все огрехи сюжета.
Они оставили 14му Тардис! Ааааааа! И мы должны поверить, что больше не будет серий с Теннантом😁 Ха! Я точно буду ждать спин-офф с ними 😍😍😍
Я в восторге от этой идеи оставить Теннанта с Донной, снова его смерть я бы не пережила...
Я в восторге от просто потрясающего Игрушечника и его танцев с лепестками роз😃❤
От того, что в конце всё хорошо.
И ой как не хватило Уилфа за общим столом😭😭 Светлая память этому чудесному актеру,так любила дедушку Уилффреда....
Четырнадцатый воспринял возвращение как второй шанс и стал над собой работать...Я действительно заметила изменения,он такой был грустный все три серии,еще в звездном звере заметила))
Это. Просто. Охуенно. Я плакала, рыдала, но так счастлива!!!! Он остался!!!!!Даааа!!!!
Очень сильно впечатлёна всем, игра Теннанта просто на разрыв и Кетрин просто как,все на высшем уровне, это самый лучший подарок в день рождения от РТД❤
Вспоминая 4- Он настолько не хотел уходить, что не ушел...это награда ему....И я счастлива...
Мне было мало три эпизода,серьезно,а можно пожалуйста еще так серий 20 с Дэвидом и Кэтрин,они такие офигенные!!!
Ему было сужденно еще раз встретиться с Донной и вернуться домой...❤❤❤❤❤
Невероятно трогательно смотреть, как Донна пыталась разговорить Доктора на душевный разговор, а тому всё некогда,ощущение, что этого разговора ему уже ОЧЕНЬ давно не хватало...Вот почему нужно было вернуться,встретить Донну...и ответ на вопрос почему это лицо...
Есть подозрение что сценаристы это придумали вспоминая слова Донны в 4- "Да вы как черви"!
зато я очень рада что для Донны все хорошо закончилось 🥹 спустя столько лет
РТД как будто взял и воплотил самый желанный фанфик из моих фантазий в реальность.... Как же я люблю этого чувака, прям уже не знаю, куда деваться от эмоций...
Боже, боже, где-бы побегать по потолку от восторга то!
Когда в Теннанта выстрелил Игрушечник, я почти заорала, потому что это было максимально неожиданно, показалось, что всё произошло слишком быстро. и вот Here We Go Again, Allons-y и... подождите. что? ЧТО? Ч Т О ? би-генерация?И ШУТИ? снова у нас разделили Доктора на двух, хотя конечно не совсем, но всё же ОЧЕНЬ похоже это на "Конец Путешествия", только теперь Теннанта оставили Донне.... вопросов много, слишком много. каждый из них Доктор, но сколько у каждого регенераций? или Теннант просто состарится и умрёт однажды.. а если нет? у них общие воспоминания? а характер? всё это кажется странным.... Но идея что у Доктора есть часть, которая давно должна отправиться на отдых, порефлексировать и побыть с Донной (это вот вообще прекрасно!) вообщем в конце я плакала!!!
И что будет дальше....
В замешательстве,никакой другой сериал не ломал мне мозг так сильно...Но шути классный,мне понравился,может быть и буду смотреть,но не факт,что сразу...
Еще я до последнего надеялась, что покажут кого-то из старых Докторов, хоть на пару минут.. ноооо УПОМЯНУЛИ СТАРЫХ СПУТНИКОВ СПАСИБО ААА, это прям резануло по сердцу ...
И развитие персонажей Доктора и Донны потрясающее!!! В какой-то момент надо остановиться, прожить, прочувствовать...
Финал действительно ощущается как завершение главы, обретение покоя, только в окружении близких людей. Настоящей семьи, Доктор разрешает себе не просто duty of care but also to be cared and loved you know.....
Короче выпуски невероятные,столько ностальгии... есть над чем подумать, есть приятные моменты, Теннант шикарный, Донна - лучшая, всем спасибо, если вы это дочитали😁
Теннант, Тейт, Шути и Нил. В этой серии прекрасно все❤️
Я вижу развитие Донны- она научилась стоять за себя (отстоять личные границы с мамой, выбить повышение ЗП у Кейт, не сомневаться в своих способностях- она и раньше было ого-го а сейчас это просто офигенная женщина!!!Люблю безумно!!!
Она выстроила здоровые отношения с мамой, что было бы немыслимо даже для донны, знавшей доктора, в четвёртом сезоне они только токсичили, а теперь могут говорить по душам (сцены в кухне в начале спешла просто прекрасны!!!). она шикарную дочку воспитала, она прожила с мужем 15 лет в счастливом браке. это всё дорогого стоит и многое говорит о ней как о человеке. это не та грубая донна из начала сбежавшей невесты, которая орала во всё горло на доктора и таксистов..Она кажется мудрее,и когда она уже вспомнила доктора, все их захватывающие путешествия и насколько обширна и прекрасна вселенная, она отказалась заходить в тардис, сказав, что у неё теперь «есть свои приключения» с розой.. Эта Донна искренне довольна всем, что имеет,она просто не могла прям каждую секунду чувствовать себя счастливой из-за пробелов в памяти.
Но вообще интересно было бы про этот период побольше узнать! например, на каких работах она работала всё это время?
И кстати Лицо Донны после получения высокооплачиваемой работы - шедевр !!!!И да,в который раз убедилась Кэтрин потрясающая актриса,полюбила ее еще с того эпизода сбежавшей невесты и продолжаю влюбляться еще больше,мне хочется повторить раз сто,насколько она потрясающая!!!Спасибо РТД за возвращение этой прекрасной женщины,и что сделали ее счастливой,и действительно самая важная женщина во всей вселенной forever!!!!!
Ps. И еще раз скажу - Как же потрясающе!!! играл Теннант и отдавался все три эпизода, все три прям лучший перфоманс, любовь к герою и миру, он, просто ОН. Обожаю этого чувака for infinity!!!!!!
лучшие 3 серии за последнее время, обязательно буду пересматривать в будущем. да даже появилось желание снова пересмотреть сезоны с Десятым 🫂
– нет.
– чтобы вернуться домой.
screaming, crying, throwing up 💔😭
Хотя после этого ещё была пара появлений Осгуд в комиксах которые я не читал и просто метрическая ТОННА появлений в аудиопьесах от Big Finish которые я не слушал. Плюс Осгуд была одним из трёх главных персонажей (вместе с Тринадцатой Доктором и Ларри Найтингейлом) в одной из самых свежих видеоигр по "Доктору Кто" - "The Lonely Assassins" 2021 года на Android и в Steam, которая продолжает сюжет культового эпизода "Не моргай".
Я эту игру не проходил, так что не знаю что происходит с Осгуд по сюжету помимо того что она помогает Ларри расследовать Плачущих Ангелов, но склоняюсь к тому что очень сильно НАВРЯД ЛИ с Осгуд случилось что-то плохое в игре, это было бы странное развитие истории важного персонажа по сути дела за кадром. Я очень хотел на ТардисВики почитать сюжет аудиопьес и игры хотя бы "по диагонали" чтобы на 100% удостовериться для вас что с Осгуд всё в порядке, но там слишком много букв, я не осилил.
Насчёт её отсутствия в Юните во время "Звёздного зверя" и "Смешка" - возможно она где-нибудь в командировке в другой стране, или просто на другой полевой операции. С точки зрения нашего с вами реального мира, а не внутрисериального - возможно актриса Ингрид Оливер была недоступна во время съёмок юбилейных спецвыпусков, а может Рассел Т. Дэвис просто очень хотел задействовать в сюжете нового научного сотрудника ЮНИТа, Ширли Энн Бингэм (девушку в инвалидной коляске). Если помните эпизод "Планета мёртвых" (с Десятым Доктором и леди Кристиной де Суза), там научным сотрудником ЮНИТа был Малькольм Тэйлор, а значит у ЮНИТа есть и другие люди на этой должности помимо Осгуд.
но слушать его корявый немецкий было больненько)))
танцы под Spice Up Your Life это прям топчик. вернули меня в далёкое I Can't Decide :)
"You're gonna be someone else. It doesn't matter who. Cause every single one of you is fantastic." - не вполне соглашусь, да, все замечательные, но все-таки Доктор Теннанта пока что остается недосягаем. и эти спэшлы с возвращением 14го только продемонстрировали нам это.
поглядев на нового Доктора, думаю, не стану смотреть наверное сезон. слишком уж красив-горяч этот актёр. прямо ну очень смазливый - как любой гг в американских сериалах. он бесспорно харизматичный, но я предпочитаю британцев со странным литсом.
Доктор Теннанта, конечно, такой измождённый в конце. он прям ОТРАЖАЕТ всё, что у него внутри накопилось за прошлые регенерации. я так понимаю, новое молодое лицо начнет свежую страницу в истории Доктора.
золотой зуб, который остался от Игрушечника, очень порадовал.
потянуло вдруг пересмотреть свои любимые сезоны с 9м, 10м и 11м. такая ностальжи взяла.
Однако, если помните сцену разговора Доктора с Игрушечником перед игрой в карты, Игрушечник сказал Доктору "I made a puzzle out of your history" ("я сделал мозаику/паззл из твоей истории") и вот именно эту фразу по мнению западных фанатов сериала Рассел Т. Дэвис вписал в этот диалог для того чтобы фанаты могли мягко и ненавязчиво объяснить любые несостыковки в каноне ссылаясь на манипуляции Игрушечника. Восьмой сказал что он наполовину человек по материнской линии? Это Игрушечник поигрался с историей Доктора. Второй и Джейми помнят о событиях которых не застали? Это Игрушечник поигрался с историей Доктора. В эпизоде "Мозг Морбиуса" показаны лица Доктора до Первого? Тринадцатая узнала что она не с Галлифрея и встретила регенерацию Доктора до Первого? Это Игрушечник поигрался с историей Доктора, перезаписав старую реальность на новую.
Повторюсь, открытого реткона не планируется, Timeless Child и Flux это канон. Но если вам проще - можете объяснять несостыковки в каноне манипуляциями Игрушечника
И о каком мастере речь мне вот хотелось бы узнать?
Речь скорее всего о Мастере Саши Дхавана, который умирал на киберлуне после того как направил луч живой энергии пульнуть в Тринадцатую. Ну или если сценаристы сериала захотят переписать события аудиопьес, то возможно речь про Мисси после двойного самоубийства (хотя тогда Игрушечник наверное сказал бы "Мисси" а не "Мастер"). В любом случае, совершенно неважно какой именно Мастер был заточён в зубе, когда мы увидим его в следующий раз, его уже будет играть новый актёр или актриса, и нас ждёт такой же внезапный поворот как с профессором Яна, Гарольдом Саксоном, Мисси или агентом О, потому что это фишка Мастера - выдавать себя за кого-то другого, и это сложно делать со знакомым зрителю лицом. Это я вам гарантирую, даже зуб даю (pun intended)
Отдельные аплодисменты НПХ, этот прекрасный актёр плохо играть не умеет. Как ему к лицу эта театральность)
Ради этого стоило ждать столько лет.
Шутка про пандусы и доступную среду улыбнула)))
игрушечник был просто огненный. этот его фальшивый немецкий акцент, и как ему чувак во время расистского намека сказал практически, что у него ус отклеился. :D ужасно смешно.
а как танцует, как смеется! и взгляд этот. вот прямо видна в нем и ебанина и древность и чужеродность.
и все эти мемы, которые теперь фигачат с зетс оллрайт зен тоже доставляют.
мастер, запертый в золотом зубе - да! рука с отсылкой на незабвенную люси. :)
а легкий пинок в сторону моффата, у которого с компаньонами как-то все печально прямо очень. если еще и мисси посчитать туда же, так вообще. ну, что есть, то есть.
прекрасная мел, так видеть ее приятно. и ведь вспомнили даже, что она вообще-то программистка.
доктор такой весь реально уставший и тающий на глазах. просто все грехи мира на нем.
башня юнита ужасно напомнила башню мстителей. просто наш ответ марвелу!
но концовка мне все смазала. очень ртдные сентиментальные сантименты, очередная копия теннанта, навсегда обеспеченного работой теперь, сказочная совершенно би-регенерация и луни тьюновское выбивание тардис из тардис молотком.
все сложно!
но смотрелось на одном дыхании. ртд как мог, так и сейчас могет!
но что странно - женская одежда регенерирует в мужскую на ура, а убогая мужская не может ничего вообще, только поделиться между чуваками как попало. короче женская явно одежда более высокого порядка. :D
и всем, кроме марты, досталось по доктору. несправедливость! :)
новый доктор на первый взгляд ничего. упоротый и энергичный.
and finally I realized that the music was from a farscape. :)
It's weird that there are 2 doctors now. As if this gives a huge scope for imagination, but will Dr. Tennant be remembered at all in subsequent episodes? He stayed on earth and the new doctor will also return to earth often. They must intersect.
I really hope for the development of this branch, but I doubt that they will be able to implement it. Tennant returned for a couple of episodes.
Neil Patrick Harris is the real highlight of the series. When I first heard that Jokey Gatwa would be the 15th Doctor, I immediately agreed that yes! Especially since he is Tennant's direct "heir", Gatva has a very wide range of emotions.
Honestly, I didn't even watch the female doctor - it was such a mess from the very first episode.
I can't say that Donna is my favorite companion of the Doctor. Personally, I liked Rosa and Clara the most.
Bi-generation seems to me a good technique to let Tennant's fans know that his time has passed. He was the best (I've been watching since the 9th), and his return is a little disappointing, as always the forced resurrection of a character is disappointing (the significance of his departure is decreasing). But it's still a pretty cute way to put a stop to it and give the 15th a chance to charm the audience the same way the 10th once charmed them.
a better double regeneration would certainly be nonsense.
Regeneration into other clothes is still annoying
(I read here in the comments why RTD did this, of course this move did not become less stupid from his explanation, even I would say more, but as for me it could be elegantly solved - during forced regeneration into the master, he could stupidly "go change clothes in men's" and then 14 would have quietly appeared in the master's clothes ...)
I was ready that Tennant would finally leave, of course it's nice that he was left, but there are a lot of questions.
Are doctors going to split up all the time now, or from time to time, or is this a one-time event?
Will each copy be able to split up in the same way? or will the previous one stop regenerating?
On the one hand, there is a lot of room for maneuver - each doctor can have his own series and you can periodically arrange deadly battles with packs of doctors, etc.
There are still doubts.
I don't know whether to be happy or getting ready to throw shit at the screenwriters.
I haven't decided yet.
The regeneration of the Doctor is just THAT SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?????!!!!!?????!!!!
Как будто до этого в сериале злодей не пел/танцевал под популярный музыкальный трек и будто музкальных номеров в сериале не было, ага)
Подростковая драма, это вы про финал 2 сезона под самую грустную музыку в сериале?)
Вообще не очень понимаю такие претензии. Как будто людям что-то не нравится и они решают прицепиться к самому яркому моменту серии.
Многие ее любят кстати и не помню, чтобы из-за музыки ругали, чего сейчас бесятся, не понимаю.
1. I do not claim that this is a fact.
2 I just noticed a moment where it would be easy to cross out the restart if desired and decided to share my observation.
And thank you for choosing to insert your five kopecks. your opinion is very important to you.
Man, are you bothering me?
Okay, how many times has the doctor bioregenerated in 60 years? and why did bioregeneration take place, and not the usual one?
Ты написал, я ответил. Причина тряски? Не нравится, не читай, не отвечай)
А потом: "Я только что дегенерировал" Вот уж точно" Просто плачу от смеха! Они сами-то поняли, что сказали?
Танец игрушечника с розовыми лепестками "Что курил автор? Дайте два!" =))
Новый док пока лучше, чем ожидалось, но почему в трусах без штанов?!
Теннант всё равно лучший. Для меня.
Я считаю, он заслужил семью, покой и Донну. Доктор во всех воплощениях боролся и терял. А я, как фанат именно Десятого Доктора, помню, как много потерял именно он, и как много потеряли последующие "лица". И все это внутри него.
Би-генерация для меня - лучший из вариантов. Да, я почитала обо всем этом выше, и логика спорная, частично ломает чуть ли не всю вселенную к чертям, но мне плевать.
Дэвид-Десятый жив, Тардис теперь две штуки, а с новым Доктором я смирюсь так же, как мы все смирились с предыдущими. Даже если он не станет чем-то особенным.
Я знала, что Нил будет в Докторе. Возможно, даже где-то тут это писала. Обожаю.
I just enjoyed every second with him in the frame. 🤤
Ps: special releases are more interesting than the new season 😊
The atmosphere of the Tennant episodes is always something special for me.
But does this now mean that the 14th will always be alive? That is, he can just appear in any random episode? I'm loving it. But it's still weird, yeah.
Now not only Rosa, but also Donna has her own personal doctor. Dr. Tennant likes to share himself, give me a piece on the next hand
Well, the 15th one has come to me so far.