s01e05 — Dot and Bubble
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| Duration: | 44 min. |
| Released: | 01.06.202401.06.2024 02:00 |
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270In the end, none of this happened?
It is clear that RTD made rather a transparent hint. But it can also be read as "oh, well, we are the elite here, and you are the horseradish from the mountain." But God help it all.
I'm wondering who created these monsters and who turned AI against humans?
I would have given up on these questions if the series had a good ending. But the ending is not very good, and I want satisfaction somewhere else.
Well, to some extent, I don't really understand the Doctor's rage - both in the classics and in other series, he didn't drag me by force if someone didn't want to save me. And besides, at some point you need to grow up yourself and learn to save yourself.
The series is about nothing.
The doctor said that the AI had gained self-awareness and had become so angry himself, tired of listening to the stupid chatter of its users."
I understand that. But as an explanation, it works crazy. Plus, there were only two mentions of AI, and suddenly at the moment where the Doctor guesses that it was AI that rebelled. Here, in my humble opinion, even AI has nowhere to be particularly screwed, except in navigation in 3D space, but then what's the chatter and why listen to it. The model could be clean and visible.
"I didn't see any spoilers about racism, but I realized that something was wrong when I saw only white people among the users of the Dot. And in the end, the hint was no longer subtle."
Now imagine that the series is for epoch 11, which is what RTD was talking about in the comments. It doesn't work with racism anymore. But the class thing works, for example - they are all the children of the rich. Well, honestly, it looks like RTD pulled the sketches out of the cache and hastily redone them.
+ still thin - you can read on Twitter/reddit how many people didn't catch it)
And it was only after reading other people's comments that they noticed it.
And the explanation of the appearance of the monsters did not care. Did the AI let you in from the forest? And then how did the larynx turn out to be on their home planet?
PS At the same time, a well-made Kerblam is disliked. Yeah.
It turns out that she is not a mom, but a "mom". Maybe they also lived like this on their home planet, and saw relatives only online? And is it AI, or was the corporation just raising people, raising them for some kind of experiment?
And in general, the Doctor is happy again) Jody mostly had some kind of ragged slurred plot (
I also thought at some point that children in this society were artificially raised and could generally be associated with the corporation that made space children. Lindy also mentioned that she had never been hugged, which is an interesting coincidence, although it may just be another cliche in the spirit of "ah, this is a sterile digital society without living emotions."
Well, or just RTD troll and roflit over all of us, creating the illusion of mystery. He also said relatively recently that it doesn't mean anything and Britain just ran out of actors, so they're taking Susan Twist on small roles :D
Like the mentions of Bad Wolf that were in almost every episode of one of the seasons (sorry, hoovians, I don't remember which season) . In the end, this gun will definitely fire, imho.
In the second season, the word "Torchwood" was the same red thread, in the third the mysterious "Mr. Saxon", in the fourth - the appearance of Rose Tyler in half of the episodes and the disappearance of planets, in other episodes in the fifth cracks in the shape of a crack in Amy's wall, but starting from the sixth season these "seeds" have become weaker and over time, they almost completely disappeared. In the sixth, there were still formal mentions of "silence" and the face of Miss Kovarian appearing in the wall, and in 7B there was the riddle of Clara Oswald, in the eighth - the place where all the dead characters fell, in the ninth "the prophecy of the hybrid", in the tenth if I remember correctly there was nothing, in the eleventh there seemed to be one-the only mention of the "Timeless Child" from the flying rags, which found completion not even at the end of the eleventh, but in the twelfth. Well, the thirteenth did not need such elements because in it all six episodes were already parts of the same story.
Of course, the satire is very brazen - rich party-goers who just sit on the Internet and don't want to work, but so they can't walk straight without a pointer?.. Well, that's really it. The heroine was initially disliked with all this arrogance, but when she absolutely without regret killed the ONLY COOL PERSIAN, then everything became clear.
Unfortunately, scum most often survive because they only think about themselves and go over their heads. That's the way the world works. The Doctor was also too kind in the finale...
Episode "Doctors" - well, um...
actually mixed feelings after this series, it seems like it's so crinkly funny, which is even good, not bad. The heroine is vile, that's good too. But in the end, to reduce everything to the color of the skin is somehow not a Doctor's banal. They would have come up with some other distinctive feature, according to which there is a division in their society, the shape of the ears or nose there, I don't know, ideally something more subtle and inconspicuous. :) So that it would be just as stupid, but not so head-on.
On the other hand, if we consider this as a Bubble for the viewer - the whole episode we did not notice anything unusual in the fact that there were only Caucasians on the screen, except for the Doctor, since our own bubble from the media accustomed us to the fact that this is the standard, and the rest is rather a deviation, then the series works. But it would have been more relevant in this form 10 or even 20 years ago. Now you just don't think that people of the future can be so limited, even rich, selfish and not very smart, so the ending somehow passed me by.
Maybe I'll grab the cons and maybe I'll change my mind about this series, but so far the fresh impressions are like this. In my personal rating of the season, it is definitely lower for me than the previous two episodes.
And the larynxes are amazing!
1. In principle, the absence of people with a different skin color in this world is more familiar to us as Slavs, and many were surprised by this immediately.
2. The immediate block is exactly the Doctor, the inscription "unwanted request" (
there was no such thing on Ruby). 3. The phrase that "I thought you just looked like" or something like that from Lindy. One can, of course, attribute it to her not remembering faces, but in general, the concept of "all _ on one person" is more common precisely in connection with race.
4. Her disgust at the realization that the Doctor and Ruby are in the same room, despite the fact that she had twins as friends, for example.
5. "He is not as stupid as he looks ", "he will be punished ", "this, of course, was your duty to save us."
6. The mention of voodoo at the end and the phrase about "contagiousness" is also characteristic of racial prejudice.
7. She clearly told the Doctor that the problem was with him - "you, SIR" - , not Ruby.
Yes, each of these details can be explained by something else, but all together they add up to the most likely and simplest answer.
Imho, a series about growing up (and transition age?). There are all the cliches about teenagers - whining about work, lukism, stupid music. I really don't know how to explain the act of a girl who left a guy to die.
They're like something serious "boring, banned"
Until I read the comments, I thought the fact is that the kids are elite and generally look down on everyone anyway. Yes, it was obvious how white everyone was in the Dough, but this could be explained by something else. And to do it head-on - well, let's go, well, the audience is not so stupid. Just like with the Mip pronouns. It 's annoying . I can do better.
Isn't Dot a distant relative of those particles from which houses were built in some series of the Eleventh epoch?
The Vardy were extremely intelligent and diverse microbots capable of learning new skills and adapting to the tasks required, such as pollination of large fields of wheat. They moved by floating through the air in large swarms and could move very fast.
Here recently an Atlas was released about AI and there is one of the fresh comments that can be applied with full confidence to this episode... To quote a little bit:
"This is a very bad movie.
Starting from the basic principles of the world shown in the cinema, ending with the logic of the characters' behavior, this is the most miserable bottom.
.. And it
's like that in everything — the whole movie is a collection of cliches from thirty years ago, it's incredibly predictable and fake. Bad script, bad acting."
in the end, some kind of vibes of gone with the wind even.
such an unpleasant Lindy. The role was a success for the actress. and that look at the end.
I was too much infuriated by the nightmarish make-up, and because of this, I completely missed the fact that all the residents look like relatives, so the twist with the fact that they are also racists caught me. By the way, it is also interesting that they are, apparently, also very religious people there, so it will certainly be very fun for them to live in the wild. The guy who wants to be in charge has very manic vibes
of course, it was immediately clear that Ricky September would die, but to do SO .... tin
It's a pity that they didn't say anything about where these snails came from, because biological laboratories for the destruction of the population somehow sound too clownish today. It is also interesting what kind of information they processed there for 2 hours a day.... Like, since they have such a cool AI, what can ticktockers do?
The doctor recognized Susan Twist 👀
"eat the rich" white racists! :D
и создал жрусениц
It was only at the end that it dawned on me how brilliantly it was written. It took me to hear "voodoo" to realize all the previous bells on the topic. That's how, in a second, the volume of meaning in everything seen in 40 minutes multiplied by two.
Wow!
And I also came across another interesting coincidence here.:
Ricky September, initials R. S. Last name is associated with the date. He dies at the moment when the mystery of his origin is revealed. Either there is something to think about, or RTD just has a limited alphabet. :)
"If you want to live, you won't get so excited"!Awesome and instant progress, from not being able to get around a table, a pole, to running and climbing stairs.
Then the first reviews of the series appeared, which did not greatly praise the series, compared to the same 73 yards. Therefore, I watched the series with caution and low expectations.
It's good that my expectations were not met. This episode rolled Dick into me. Firstly, it is very beautiful, as if the contrast was turned to the maximum, plus the Bubble chip was very coolly visualized. It may seem to some that this is easy, but no. The video about the filming of the series says that it was the most difficult thing in the series, and it's understandable. Plus, the bubble people thing is very cool done, especially knowing how it's actually filmed. Whoever combined this into a single picture should be given a reward. It's perfectly done.
But more than that, of course, I was stunned by the final twist. I knew that everyone would end up being racist, so I followed all the hints carefully throughout the series. If you don't really listen to how Lindy reacts to the Doctor, you may not notice it (as many people didn't notice), but Lindy didn't react very much to Ruby either. And I kept waiting for what the ending would be. How it will be played. And I fucking loved it. It's a feeling of devastation when a Doctor offers them help and they refuse it because they can't accept it from a person with a different skin color. And the saddest thing is that such people still meet in life, and this does not necessarily concern the color of the skin. It's been a long time since I've felt such emotions. Right in the best traditions of the Black Mirror.
I also liked Gold's music in the series. It's very different from the music from his other series. And the saddest thing, of course, is the death of Ricky September. He didn't deserve to die like this.
And yes... Itsy Bitsy Teenie Viney Yellow Polka Dot Bikini
In the series, racism was hinted at very clearly and clearly: there is no one in the bubble except whites, gg listens only to Ruby, she doesn't even want to listen to the doctor, almost directly says "I thought you were another guy, similar to the first one" ("All of you on the same person "), with disgust realizes that Ruby and the doctor are in the same room ("then he will be punished"). Here is this comment about voodoo and how not to get infected with something from the Doctor
Due to this plot twist, the series turned out to be extremely unusual, I thought that the fact that the doctor is now played by an actor of another race would be commented on in a series about the past. And they made a knight's move and made it even more interesting: with a completely technologically progressive society
Well, the series where the doctor blocked his memory, and she pretended to be a maid ...
In short, I expected that the topic would certainly be touched upon, somewhere in the past, but not in the future) it would seem that humanity has long got rid of such prejudices... It looks creepy)
I had this once: before the screening of the film, the actors came out satisfied, told me how difficult it was to shoot, how they tried, and the film turned out to be a complete failure.
Such feelings are ambivalent and unpleasant.
And with the Doctor with amnesia, and Martha the maid, "Human Nature" and "Blood Family". Double series.
And with Jody, yes, the series is great, but there it was the plot, so to speak, "head-on."
In addition, here you begin to think about the complex of the savior of the Doctor and why he is so eager to save everyone and everything. It is clear that this is in his nature, and he will not pass by people in trouble, but there is some kind of oppressive despair.
Lindy is very angry and stupid, who is also evil and selfish.
Such an unexpectedly sweet and smart Ricky.
And I liked the ending too, although I only realized about racism when I went into the comments, I also thought that it wasn't about skin color, but about some kind of social status of the elite or something. And the way the Doctor turns out to be just stunned by their refusal, although usually people beg him to save them. Very strongly.
P.S. Ricky's song is very clingy, I would listen to it 😂
Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini
Исполнитель Bryan Hyland, на Ютубе есть
Ricky is sorry. It's amazing how such a guy appeared among the arrogant infantiles.
An aunt in a beret does not last for 24 years.
Dot could have killed the majoricks without bothering with overgrown woodlice, in the same way that she killed Ricky. Efficiently, at lightning speed, at the same time.
Oh dear lovely Ruby, the actress so vividly and plausibly played this pity for another person, but the inability to do anything useful to help in this particular second. It was amazing.
And of course, a JOKE, which flies out a liter of saliva in a moment of anger. Thank you for leaving this particular take, because IT was strong.
I didn't notice the ghosts of racism the whole series, I thought that the bells were just a sign of their stupidity. Oh, yeah.
I love the era of Chibnell and the Thirteenth, I really do, but damn - what magic does the returning showrunner Russell T. Davis do with this series!
If you take "The Mystery of Tsuranga", "Demons of Punjab" and "Karblam" - three generally good episodes - and compare them with "Boom", "73 Yards" and "Dot and Bubble" - then the contrast is the wildest.
I have never caught such a sincere thrill from watching... Damn, I wanted to write that a long time ago, but in fact it's only been since the Fourteenth and Donna.
I didn't know any spoilers before watching it. Lindy was annoying with her manners and speech (the actress just coped with her role awesome), but I hoped that in the end, after going through obstacles and difficulties, she would "grow up" and "improve", become a "good character" - and the feeling in the finale when I was so smartly caught by a wow turn with the fact that both Linda and all her friends are complete scum - it's indescribable!
Ricky seems to have been sent to this place by his parents, just as in our world rich parents send their child to a private expensive school to study to be a lawyer, although he wants to become an artist or musician, so he is different from the rest :D
The series was so ridiculous that it even turned out to be good in the end (but I'm unlikely to review it). The mechanics of the work of this world and the upper planet with their parents remained somewhat schematic and was rather a strained convention to what was happening. For example, the most basic question is: who maintains this reserve for the rich? cleans houses/mows the lawn/cooking, where are all these workers or a bunch of robot assistants, everything is perfect around there, don't the majorettes themselves keep order? ) Well, apparently, they did not plan further reproduction either, and they are really like pandas in a nursery just hanging out without carnal desires?
The final twist is that they refuse the Doctor's help because of prejudice - it's interesting. And it's actually very plausible. Closed "established" societies are always against outsiders and are very rarely ready to accept help, even if it can save their lives (there are plenty of such local examples in reality).
And, this is surprising, because these stories visually have nothing in common at all, but in the end I experienced the same emotions as after watching the movie Fool Bykov. Whoever watched it, I think they'll understand why.
What bothers me more is this situation, in which there is not so much of this Doctor in the first season for the new Doctor. I know that Gatva was filming in parallel for Netflix during the filming, but was there such a tight schedule that it was impossible to wait? There are only 8 episodes here, and already in 2 episodes it wasn't really there. If this was his 2nd or 3rd season, then fine, but here we have to realize him, accept him, see his distinctive features, see the new Doctor in him... Okay, he sings, he has a mustache...
The 9th (Doctor) had an episode with the Dalek, the 10th overall and somehow stood out in the first Christmas episode, as did Smith in the 11th hour. Capaldi had enough eyebrows in the jubilee one, I already forgot the 13th one. The new Doctor, I want to see a good story with the Doctor, not with Ruby, snow, booger monsters and white racists.
The worst episode so far... but according to the announcement of the next episode, she won't be like this for long.
ps. and what are Gupta's emotions at the end?
Just don't take it seriously.🙂
Once again, if he calls himself Jokey, then it is written with Sh... no? Well, Gupta is Gupta.
Everyone understood that you don't know how to Google, if you Googled knew that his name was actually Nshuti, the actor said it himself, firstly, secondly, Wikipedia clearly states, but the letter C in his name in his native language sounds like Sh-H and at the same time a bunch of examples already they threw off the ones in which the names are written one at a time and read the other, but we continue to deny it, obviously, as an adult!
APD. But I decided to delve into this topic!
Here's a YouTube video for you (youtu.be/dCL3DDZczM0 ), where a person sings the song Ndonse Incuti Nziza, translates as "a very good friend" and suddenly the word "incuti" is pronounced as "inshuti", in fact, who would have thought, that's a twist! At the same time, the word "Nziza" is pronounced as "ziza" and the letter "N" is not pronounced at all, well, stupid Rwandans came up with a strange alphabet! But there is no such thing in English, as it is heard and written! And in Russian too!
I'm looking forward to your brilliant arguments, Murka!
gt; they make you speak
, you don't speak, but write, firstly,
and secondly, you literally write gupta, it's a completely different word, instead of at least nkuti, lol
gt; not a monkey to repeat all sorts of nonsense, and if the letter W has a designation like W
, you probably had two in English, if you call it nonsense,
Words like special and precious, in which C, which are pronounced as Sh, have now left the chat, I'm not saying that English C is sometimes pronounced both as C and as K and as H, sometimes it is not pronounced at all, as in the word muscle, for example, but it is Jokey's conscience that does not allow With pronounce as Sh, kheh.
Of course, everyone understands why you do this and specifically attract attention to yourself, it looks pathetic, of course.
and yes - if this Misero himself claims that his name is Nkuchi, and you're only joking because he thinks that pale-faces are too stupid to pronounce his name correctly, then isn't it black racism? The question, as they say, is rhetorical! WAKANDA forever!!
well, that is, you decided to purely ignore all the arguments and push something of yours, well, classic)
The last name is Gatwa (only it is not spelled Gutwa, but Gatwa, lol, and again you shit yourself) and in English it is pronounced as Gatwa and in his native language it is pronounced as Gatwa, how was it born in your head, a mystery)
Only he said that it was right to call him Nshuti, not Joke, he himself I found out about this only a few years ago, I won't even comment on the rest, where did the stupid pale-faces come from, I came up with it myself, I was offended myself, and again a classic)
And you are, of course, an example of the purest chauvinist, it's good that everyone sees your stupidity in the comments, but okay, Murka, rest)
> so that everyone gets
what they deserve, you literally distort their name on the site :D
Well, in general, apparently someone non-Russian offended you as a child, maybe they took away candy in kindergarten, that you were angry at the whole world and especially at blacks, and now you write all sorts of chauvinistic nonsense on the Internet. Or have you just read all sorts of bullshit on the Internet and now you're drowning for the supremacy of the white race?) Only you write like this right away, I hate Negroes and I will specifically distort their names because they are deprived and poor, and I cannot be indignant and benefits are not due, and this is not fair! Be completely sincere then, and don't hide behind the Oxford dictionaries, otherwise it turns out to be hypocritical)
AHAHAHAHAHA
> they immediately offer to ignore all the rules
well, yes, that's why you SPIT on all the rules and distort his last name, well, isn't he a genius?!)
" And when I write Gupta, it's just hyperbolized mirroring and what do we see? Oh, yes, it turns out to be WRONG, as some here claim... and as usual in such situations, they write - which should have been proved and you need to be consistent and not hypocritical! Nc for them is Sh... yes, yes, yes."
Once again - that is, I can not write incorrectly, but someone can write INCORRECTLY - it turns out that it is possible? And isn't this the very hypocrisy against which I am outraged and about which I have already written a dozen comments? Or are you still unable to understand anything?
In Kinyarwanda, <nc> represents phonetic [n̥tʃʰ], Ncuti as a variant of the name Nshuti in Kinyarwanda.
And since "n" is fluent in pronunciation, it is not surprising that the actor did not attach importance to it and, introducing himself, omitted it. If you are fighting so hard for correctness, then he is actually a Joke, but his name has already been adapted into Russian in a different way, which makes both options equally true specifically for Russian speakers. But not Nkuti, Gupta and your other sick fantasies.
"Once again - that is, I can not write incorrectly, but someone can write INCORRECTLY - it turns out that it is possible?" - no one can. Because by doing so you are showing your disrespect. But of course, you can write whatever you want, because no matter how you introduce yourself, after your comments, it is clear to everyone that you should only be called as I indicated at the beginning. I wish you all the best.
So who's the impenetrable one? If I am both this way and that way, and even already hyperbolically pointing this out, let's either be right or not be hypocritical! But what is the result? You can't even understand basic things, but you repeat someone's wrong opinion like a fool's ass, despite the fact that you are not trained to think with your own brains... Why is that? The question is rhetorical...
Ugh, I'm so tired of this argument.
The last argument: The word aNCient : NC is read as NSH.
In English, there is such a "combination ", and it is used in an ordinary word.
If after that you say that you are not satisfied with this example either, then your problem with this name is definitely not a combination of letters, but somewhere deeper.
>>> By the way, in English sometimes Sh pops up in very unexpected places. T can also be read as Sh, for example in the word Potential - here NT is read as NSH in American, and the British can generally pronounce it as patenchl.
How can we talk about strict unbreakable rules if people often borrow words from others languages - just leaving it as it is. And sometimes, in the same type of examples, everything sounds completely different.
For example, we write "compress", and no one is confused by the pronunciation of both "comprEs" and "Compress", but at the same time "crAm" - sounds funny to us, and if the word "Brand" is pronounced with an E, you will be considered strange.
And if you also multiply dialects and pronunciation, then there is even more variety.
and at the same time, let's write Sir Isaac Newton properly and Dr. Watson and don't forget about kings and queens!
I hope this branch of the dialogue will be exhausted, and all adequate people will stay with me in your bathhouse, because they once dared to disagree with you. It's easier to figure you out later when you decide to share your genius again.
And after all, how does it get along in the brain? Instantaneous LJ outrage went to Gupta, despite the fact that two words earlier I pointed to the same moment with Ncuti, but it was just normal.
In general, the topic of already eaten eggs is not worth the time spent. many people simply do not know how to believe in logic, cause-and-effect relationships and just in discussion.
but it doesn't bother you that in the huge Oxford dictionary, where there are hundreds of thousands of words, there are words starting with Na, then Ne immediately comes, and Nc is not in sight. Well, that's how it turned out ...
ps. and so - yes, too much undeserved attention is paid to this name. It's not worth it.
> первое звучит как энчент
How to pronounce ancient
UK/ˈeɪn.ʃənt/
US/ˈeɪn.ʃənt/
UK/ˈeɪn.ʃənt/ ancient
/eɪ/ as in day
/n/ as in name
/ʃ/ as in she
/ən/ as in sudden
/t/ as in town
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/ancient
ну ты муркин-кринжулькин, конечно, зачем ты продолжаешь позориться?)
Let's compare the facts ‐ I express my disagreement with your opinion by putting a minus (this is the principle of the site), I bring various arguments to your objections, I appeal to you, although not hiding my negative attitude, and as a result I am: inadequate, pus, a shitty nature that does not know how to communicate and change.
Thank you very much for your feedback, I think it's already obvious to everyone what kind of person you are and whether it's worth starting a conversation with you. Don't write to me anymore.
But, and this is very important and what I emphasized earlier (until I found out that he is still Nkuti) - I should not know all these nuances, who he is, what he is and where he comes from... I know that he is a) a British actor, albeit of African descent, and b) I see Latin letters and try to read them based on the fact that he is still a British actor. And then the clap - it turns out that you need to read the letters Nc as Sh. In the rules of the English language, if these are initial letters, and not how they try to do something in the middle, there is simply NO such thing. Oh well... the topic has long outlived itself.
It's just that everyone here doesn't understand your claim, and why the actor had to change his name by moving to another country.
It's just a bunch of actors whose first or last name is pronounced differently than it is written (if you read according to the rules of English). Because, attention, they are NOT British). And for some reason you have become attached specifically to this name.
And about ancient, you could also check out how it sounds - brit. [ˈeɪnʃ(ə)nt].
Are the claims clear now? And yes, I wrote about Nc exclusively as at the beginning of the word, and not the use of these letters somewhere in the middle.
ps. and yes, I will not write to you anymore...
I advise you to pay attention to Saoirse Ronan - how is it possible for her name to sound like that? Why not Saoirse Ronan
Joaquin Phoenix is also a good field for debate - Joaquin Phoenix is, in theory, Joaquin (and if you look at the interviews and the Oscars, that's what they say, but in Russia he became Joaquin).
Mia Wasikowska says that it is correct to pronounce Wasikowska, because she has Polish roots, but how would anyone give a fuck, right?)
Well, there are just a lot of such examples.
Your attempt to prove that this is the owner of the first/last name is an idiot, and not those who cannot just accept and agree is quite strange.
If you follow your logic, then when you come across any name, surname, name, brand, etc. that you haven't heard before, then you don't give a fuck how it was originally conceived, and where it came from, and it doesn't matter whether the owner of the name or brand will be pleased. if the others call it right. The main thing is that for some stubborn person everything should be exactly according to his internal rules.
The Latin alphabet is used not only by the British and Americans, by the way. That is why we pronounce croissant, not croissant and Yves Rocher, not Juves Rocher.
ps. well, about Sersha - here is a great video from her, and there is a lot that did not even dream of... especially Siobhan- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LeNsiKqXOP4
Let's be honest, here you see the name Saoirse Ronan and have never heard how it actually sounds or how she pronounces it herself. How would you read it? According to the rules of the English language?
And why do you call her Sersha, if it is not at all obvious from the spelling of this name? Why is there suddenly such respect for her and the pronunciation of her name? Why did you voluntarily bow down under the oppression of these emigrants, who dictate to you how to pronounce their names written in Latin, when there are clear rules for pronouncing these sounds?? Be consistent! She's not a Bitch to you!))
And let's do it for the last time - he himself admitted that his name is a cross between Nkuti and Nshuti, that is, the letter N is not there for an empty place, but it REALLY reads, but his mother called him Jokey, that's all. That's how he introduced himself... well, about like Shura and Sasha, although it's all Alexander, although it would seem.
The same logic from your previous words applies here:
1) "I shouldn't know all these nuances"
2) "I see Latin letters and try to read them based on the fact that .. " in this case, she is still filming in Hollywood, i.e. a Hollywood actress. Therefore, you can read her name according to the rules of American English.
Why do you write it as Sersha? Because you already know this nuance? Then what's the problem with calling (N)jokey the way he said it was right, if you ALREADY know this nuance? Just out of principle? Because he is not Irish, but from the Tumba-Yumba tribe, whose language rules are not an authority for you, unlike the rules of Irish?
// if anything, I keep arguing not because I'm trying to convince you, it's been clear for a long time that this is impossible. I'm just wondering how consistent you'll be in your beliefs.
Well, the rules of the English language, according to which the combination of aoi gives the sound E, and iobh gives IB - you never showed me. That's why I still don't understand why you wrote Sersh, if it's obvious that according to Sersh's rules it doesn't work there.
Besides, neither you nor Mark were initially willing to die, you wrote the first one yourself:
------- "Well, are you quite peek-a-boo? You still wish for @MarkRaffer's death. "
and
------- " Wish me - All the best to you. And, it's better to die right away, you're not used to it, you want and want it."
You're losing the thread of the conversation. And at the same time, you ask yourself to wish you every bad thing, and then you reproach others for it. It is clear that with age, many people begin to fear death, but the argument here is not about that at all, if anything. If you really really want to get into the debate, prepare some arguments on the main topic of the dialogue, please : D)
Well, if you want, here is a detailed analysis:
If anything, there are voiced, deaf and sonorous consonants in English. Unlike Russian, English does not have sibilant consonants. There are hissing sounds.
C is a deaf consonant. N is a sonorous one.
"C" is read in different ways - as ES (sometimes almost C), as W, and as K, as H in combination with other letters. And there will be a lot of variations too, there is no such thing that in 100% of cases such and such an arrangement is always necessarily read that way..
Centre, Cinnamon, Caesar - C/ES,
Combine, face, ice - ES
Cat, rocket, celtic, zinc - the sound of K
(yes, by the way, the CELibrate is through C, and the CELtic is through K, although they start the same, there is a disorder)
Picture - H (at the same time, CT is given in Eject - CT)
Social, Pediatrician - Sh (by the way, and T from some dick often becomes sounding like Sh - patient)
even the same combination of CH reads differently:
chemist, chord, school - CH - as For
cheese, chair, match - CH - as for
there is also this: muscle - here C as such is not readable at all. There will be "oil"
In many words, C is generally read differently throughout one word.:
concept - K and C, bicycle - ES and K, Architecture - K and H.
Well, let's remember the meme about Pacific Ocean,
where "C" is read in three different ways - Pacific Ocean.
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C is the most beaten letter, which gives hundreds of variations in combination with other letters.
In Russian, by the way, consonants also often jump by sound.
Horseman - a ringing B turns into a deaf F,
Beach (sonorous W in the deaf), Oak (sonorous B in the deaf N).
And vice versa: Request (deaf C sounds like a ringing Z), repel (deaf T turns into a ringing D), Train station (deaf K into a ringing D).
In Russian, there is even a rule like this:
|| In many words of the Russian language, most often borrowed, it is impossible to check paired consonants using a "control word". These are vocabulary words, the spelling of which we just remember: anecdote, astronaut, football, etc.
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And in general:
Deaf consonants tend to deafen neighbors by the word.
C, sounding like Sh, can deafen the sonorous N, so that it will be almost unpronounceable, because it is simply not very convenient to pronounce it there.
After all this, I'm ready to say "And (n)shalla" (if you don't know, look what it means). And I think that I will probably end this argument with this, because this is the maximum possible argument in this situation.
If someone comes up with something else, I'll applaud.
I don't shut your mouth when you write absolute nonsense about structuralism and fundamentalism. Learn to accept a different opinion at least somehow.
You are also inattentive, from the beginning the person wished you all the bad things, and then I wrote - Well, are you completely peek-a-boo? You still wish for @MarkRaffer's death. " You've got it all wrong!
You made me angry. So, what is there about the children killed by Israeli troops, or are you not interested in it, is it different as usual? Now answer me, if you have a conscience?
you haven't proved a fucking thing to yourself :D
They literally gave a bunch of examples, even dug into the actor's native language and gave an example from there, did not prove, yeah, a lot of people have already written to him that he is wrong and not a single person stood up for him, does it bother you?
Well, if you don't speak the language, why do you climb into the conversation then? First, study this question, then insert your five kopecks, no need to suck up to him (it won't give you anything anyway :D)
moreover, I answer that and even like it sometimes.
Maximum respect for you and your arguments, I just want to upset you, it's all useless, because, for sure, you have already guessed for yourself, the person does not care about these arguments at all, he is not driven by logic, any fool would have realized long ago that he is not wrong, and it's just his chauvinistic views (from which he will deny it to the last, heh). You saw that he doesn't care about Sersha Ronan, because she is white, so don't care what her name is, but he's a black man, plus he comes from an African country, and it's not worth respecting blacks and their strange names, if that wasn't the case, the person wouldn't drive any equality, neither about tolerance, nor about respect, and I would not write as an insult about tumbu-yumba. Obviously, chela has some kind of hatred for Jokey (apparently he read something about him on these Internet sites of ours), so he decided to take it out on the wrong spelling of his name.
Well, unfortunately such people exist, but the most ironic thing here is that he is a viewer of the Doctor Who series (which is about acceptance and respect, etc.), and watching it he did not draw any conclusions at all. As one Doctor said (don't be cruel, be kind), this is clearly not about this comrade.
Wishing "all the bad things" is usually diarrhea", not death. You wrote about death first and then repeatedly emphasized it. And this is obvious if you scroll up the dialog.
You yourself stressed several times that you had nothing to say on the subject of the dispute, but continued to write.
And who, in this case, "climbs" there, what is not rummaging at all?
Your own words: "Honestly, I'm not in the subject at all ", "I, of course, am familiar with English anyway, but enough Superficially, I do not speak English, so it is difficult for me (I cannot judge) what exactly you are right!" and after all this, you write: "@MarkRaffer sounds more logical" (what exactly is the great logic of his arguments, for some reason you did not specify this)
And about Israel, it is unclear why I have to answer you here, if there is not a political dispute, but a linguistic one.
And I have never written anywhere about anyone's murdered children, you came up with it yourself again and you are not arguing with me on this issue, but with your projection of my opinion. Why are you writing to me about conscience and about "this is different" if "there was no other "?
You seem to have some kind of fixation on death and murder.
Well, I understand that you probably feel much more confident in a political debate than in a linguistic dispute and think that this is where I can smear it, so you're trying to drag me into this field. I'm sorry, I'm not interested in arguing politics with you here.
And yes, I've been watching basketball, baseball or American football since the late 80s and I have no complaints about blacks... but what there are claims to is hypocrisy, and if I see one thing, and they try to sell it to me as another, although there are no formal reasons for selling it! Yes, I have indignation here. Ncuti is from the same row as Xí Jìnpíng (it sounds like a soup, although it is more suitable as Eleven).
At the same time, you have no thoughts about the main subject of the dispute. You admitted it yourself. In my message, I only asked to give arguments in favor of one of the parties, and not just cling to words.
And I wouldn't have written to you at all if you hadn't once charged me for the impropriety of getting into arguments, and the fact that I turn out other people's words in the comments. This is exactly what you are doing - you took someone else's phrase, brought it to an extreme point, and then accused a person of it.
Or is it different? And personally, you can always and everywhere get in with your opinion, which is "without arguments" and "just like that", and also reinterpret other people's words. But when others "climb" into an argument, and giving adequate arguments - is this already "chsv"? :D
You will decide)
I was also accused of inattention, but it looks like you read my message inattentively. Or your message. I don't even know what exactly you misinterpreted anymore. But I clearly wrote that you were the first to use the word "death" regarding wishes, and then you were the one who emphasized it more than once. What am I wrong about?
And yes, you don't need to continue to show me that I want to chop off your fingers so that you don't write comments or accuse me of some other horrors. This was not in my words and was not even implied. You just bring other people's statements to the point of absurdity, and then argue with your own speculation. This is called apagogy.
Who's sniffing interesting? Did an actor come to your house and force you to call him that? If not, then I don't understand.
In any case, you did not convince me at all, but only confirmed my words, thank you)
And, about the children killed by Israeli troops, she again kept silent, this is no longer a trend, this is already something more terrible.
As a result, you have no arguments, it seems that you have already realized that you went somewhere wrong and you have nothing to present on the main topic of the dispute. If there were decent arguments, you wouldn't get personal and wouldn't translate the topic so hard.
And where I was wrong about my argument, or what exactly I was inattentive about, was never indicated. This is no longer a trend, this is some kind of mindless wobbling.
//I'm having a dialogue with you on your own principle.
Good luck to you)
I honestly admitted that I do not speak English and what? Shouldn't I have an opinion? In your collective (I emphasize, it is collective) fight against @MarkRaffer? He has logic in his statements, but you only have emotions, because you wrote it that way, said it that way, it means it's right that way. I
do not know how to do it, and I don't want to know anymore, but you are because of this to a stranger.You wish for all the bad things. What's wrong with your head? I repeat especially for you - "You wish him more death, just because he pronounces the actor's last name differently, as he was taught.
P.S. What about the dead children from the Israeli troops? Still ignoring it. Well, well.
Don't worry, I'll switch to structuralism and fundamentalism later, but that will be a little later.😃😉 There is knowledge of English, it does not matter.🤣🤣
And for the first time I saw the Doctor give up because there is no point in sleeping those who refuse to be saved..
In fact, all he had to do was just walk away with everything going on in his mind
It's a little annoying that they write about racism in the comments. In the community of the series, where they prefer not to see the skin color of the actors, they sharply counted the number of whites and pulled an owl on the globe. There is xenophobia here, brought up by the physical realization of the information bubble of the social network, and only within its framework there is a certain amount of racism. For this "community " The Doctor is an outsider, destroying their cozy world, a spammer, negative content that should be blocked. Ruby broke through the filters not because she is white, but because she introduced herself as the technical staff of their community.
This is what is valuable in this series: a person who is trapped in his bubble degenerates, which becomes unpleasant for AI, which is obliged to help him
I'm afraid that in the end it will burst with the illumination of the great meanings of the entire arch of the season, that the brain will completely blow away.
But this particular series is completely twisted, caustic in all its manifestations.
But disgust is also an emotion. Why not add it to the piggy bank with the rest.
For example, where and when does the action take place? On one of the human colonies? What century is it, what year is it? How does this society function at all? What kind of camp is this, where the rich send their children for 10 years, and most importantly, for what purpose? What does it give them all? An internship? Any experience? What kind of gap year is 10 years long? What happens when a person turns 28? Is he coming home? And what's next? What does he do for a living? How does it maintain the standard of living to which it is accustomed? How does he become a member of society if, having lived up to a quarter of a century, he is not familiar with tactile relationships?
Why would an AI grow larvae to kill users if the dot itself is able to handle it? Some kind of monster for the sake of a monster, and where did they even come from? How and why did the second planet die? If people on it also did not get out of the bubble, then how and at the expense of what everything existed there at all, and then what is the difference from the oasis to which children were sent?
By the way, there may be an explanation for racism, maybe blacks are not suitable for what they are raised there for? Some kind of special gene)
The world here is very conditional and schematic, purely for "basic scenery ", look for some deep hints and hidden subplots in it - most likely it is pointless to suffer spgs-om.
"Don't know who their parents are" - do you mean that they were implanted with memories of their lives before the age of 18? Because the heroine was well aware of her mother.
In general, if children were slaughtered, they would hardly be abruptly killed alphabetically at once, but would be removed one at a time, under the pretext that their parents took them home.- no one would be surprised in this world, and if you also say that it's because N became a poor man, the rest would only be glad that he was gone :D
Well, if they still have the day of the universal harvest and they need all the sacrifices at once - what then? To re-fill the world with new "lambs"?
By the way, your idea of a special gene for blacks, which makes them unsuitable for something that whites are suitable for, was once one of the foundations of racism and harsh condemnation of mixed marriages :D If if that was the case in the series, it would certainly have somehow fired more openly.
So the question arises whether it is real at all.
As for the hands, it is clear that it was an injection, but the fact is that they were doing something with their hands, not seeing what themselves, as they chatted on the connection. And this is something like a side effect, it dried my hands. Maybe they were injected with some kind of drug through their hands?
"To re-fill the world with sheep" apparently yes, they fulfilled their purpose, the territory was cleared, a new batch is on the way) but that's just me, I'm guessing.
In general, this idea with a Twist resembles the plot of "The Evil Wolf". Maybe she was able to intervene and thus gives the doctor and his companions a signal?
That's what I'm saying, if your theory were correct, then their whole life, which was up to the age of 18, would have to be uploaded to their brain as a false memory.
It's even a little strange, considering that other forms of discrimination in that society have not been noticed, men with makeup and dressed quite femininely, that is, it seems that there is no homophobia or sexism there.
It seemed a little ridiculous the moment when the Doctor burst into tears at the end — well, not because of racism, after all? Half the universe tried to kill him, it's strange to get upset over such nonsense. And if because of the fact that these people will die, well, they have a chance to survive, there are just forests, not some kind of volcano vents. In general, in my opinion, they went a little too far with the drama.
Well, it also seemed to me that Ruby could stand up for the Doctor, otherwise she stands and remains silent while her friend is humiliated by people like her. It's not very nice of her.
Of course, the conditions could have been better, but still, everything is not so terrible that you can just bury them.
For example, I am an accountant, I work at 1C, there is information on the history of name change on the employee's page. But if I just open the general list of employees alphabetically, he will also be there under his current name
Okay, xs is calling you who has blocked it, it's even logical here.
You and I know that it's in vain, but she doesn't.
That everyone there "won't be able to walk" without a "navigator" well, stupidly, yes.
Man, your idol saves your life and that's his last name before mine.
Wait what? It's okay, but it's okay.
It's not clear about monsters either.
AI went out and decided to kill everyone here, let's say there are a lot of such plots when AI, for some reason of its own (it's more logical than just tired of it all) decides to kill people the plot is not new, but why in alphabetical order and sho there by monsters?
And in the end, we'll go into the forest. Okay. Go ahead.
The doctor was told like, "You're not from our (circle? The world? I don't remember) "well, not one of them. So is this about racism? I thought the thing was, well, like, they were all hanging out online and there was some kind of "stranger" and they didn't. But they all behaved strangely there. Before he humiliated you? By what? (the color of Sholi's skin?)
It's not fucking clear.
there are really no answers.
krch series is not only strange (said the one who watched all the previous ones, haggadah) but also "superfluous" sholi? Well, like they would have brought some logic, plot, answers?
even in 73 yards there is more logic (plus after reading the explanation in TEAmTARDIS)
> Stop what? It's okay, but it's okay.
This is the point, in fact, that monsters are not those creatures, but people who are ready to set up their own, she did not even repent in the end, and deceived, saying that Ricky went to sleep supposedly the rest
I also noticed a recurring age discrepancy this season.
In Dot and bubble, children under the age of 27 are sent to a children's camp, where they are taught to walk, they are told when to go to the toilet, and they are given the opportunity to make their first friends. Perhaps their life expectancy has increased, and by the age of 30 they are now just beginning their teenage period?
At 73 yards, 40-year-old Ruby hasn't changed much in appearance. And it is also interesting that she has aged by human standards, although it was mentioned in Boom that she is more than 3,000 years old.
In the same Boom, the girl was confusing, as if the age of the actress had missed.
You don't have to explain about Space babies😄
This is if you are moved forward 100 years right now and forced to fill out a questionnaire on public services, it turns out that you are over 100 years old if you specify the real year of birth :D
I would like to see the continuation of the story: as they sail somewhere on their boat, they begin to settle down ... - and then conflicts, everyday difficulties, limited resources, wildlife. A thriller! A royal battle! The last hero! An interesting movie would come out :)
Here's a twist in the spirit of "another artificial intelligence has developed and just decided to kill all people" seemed lazy to me. Although, maybe it wasn't worth overreacting here)
As for racism, I actually took it at first as "Phew, get off me, you spammers"
But despite these quibbles, the series keeps you on your toes, bravo RTD. And satire is a credit.
I was interested in the remark about the mother. Maybe this city is also connected to that gun corporation. Slugs are bioweapons.
Ricky September, although he looks not at 25, but at all 50, liked it. A smart, interesting, positive character and... he was killed. We could take a companion for one episode.
But the ending is completely out of place. That is, in the Beatles era, no one told the Doctor - hey, nigga, you see what kind of building you're going into, and here you're colored, know your place. Stupidly a subpoena for the sake of a subpoena. Although how they are going to survive is a question, behind the dome everything has long been overgrown and in ruins, and they do not have the skills.
Until 17, Linda lived without a bubble, it turns out. And you forgot how to walk without him? It is doubtful, as well as how quickly she learned to run without him.
In short, the moment of upbringing before the age of 17 is not disclosed at all.
In general, the series is more of a parody of Generation Z (zoomers). A hint that most of their lives are wasted online, and their views are stitched together as the truth to an extreme degree of hostility and cynicism.
It's probably just an obvious harmony, but I want to believe that it's intentional...
It was only when klusha sacrificed Ricky that the excitement immediately disappeared. I don't like it when cool Persians are drained by screenwriters in order to just prove a point.
And then it turned out that either class or racial prejudice (it doesn't really matter, the principle is the same) literally prevents survival... No, I guess it was the stupidity of it that pissed the Doctor off. But yelling and drooling??? And in the end, in general, such an evil look, as if the Doctor really was a born Negro, although he had just mourned these idiots (he was mourning them, not himself?)... The replay of the KMK is hellish, knocks out of the plot, as not for the first time his emotion is hypertrophied for some reason.
But what can't be taken away is adult dramas with topical satire, hats off to RTD.
They also eat everything in alphabetical order.
I agree one hundred percent, it was not just strange, it was p****c how strange and generally not in the spirit of DK
The main character is still a bitch, there are few doctors, even Ruby felt more in the frame
The fact that two series of RTDs in a row leave a feeling that he is underdone and underdone is a little annoying. I hope this trend doesn't continue =/
P.S. yes, it's still better than with Chibnell =3
Based on the results of reflections, I did not like the series, the creators talk about racism, OK, but what do they do? Condemnation of the group "rich from 17 to 27" it is from the creators of the series that blows from the screen. Although the Doctor himself and Ruby play sympathy and a desire to help. But these dumb kids won't come out of their phones in any way. It was as if a grumbling old man was writing the series, " Oh, these young people, in our time they jumped from garages, and they..."
because I didn't understand what you were talking about at all.
Well okay. The heroine of the series is disgusting. Although, she rather wanted to survive, here you can refer to this. But then she didn't even feel guilty. It's kind of like that...
And by the way, the same questions of veracity regarding the murder of Ricky Sept. We had seen before that she had no instinct for self-preservation at all, she went straight down the throat of these caterpillars - and then suddenly she gained this instinct so much that she descended to a calculated arrow translation. Well, I can't believe it. Although as a plot twist, it's cool and unexpected. But I don't believe it!
I can't help but think that this blindness of mine is, of course, given by my own race, and that a black person who encounters such micro-racisms in everyday life would catch them right away and understand what's what. it is interesting in this regard to think about the perception of a doctor who had previously spent his entire millennial life in the body of a white man. Did he catch these signals right away, or did he also reduce everything to elitism and arrogance? Anyway, this full realization at the end and the doctor's reaction really took over the soul. It's one thing to know about racism in theory, it's another to feel it on your own body when the disgust for you because of the color of your skin is so great that these people chose to sail away to a distant ocean rather than let you save them.
well, a little ode to the love of Jokey gatva: I love his reading of the character of the doctor. every time I see his tears on the screen, I think about the children and teenagers who watch this series and see in it an adult crying man, whom no one laughs at or says it's bad, but where it's just shown as a normal emotional reaction to events, and warmth spreads through my heart. The doctor was a model for me when I was growing up - he showed how important it is to be kind and not lose faith and admire life, and I am very glad that he continues to be this positive example for new generations.
Racism surprised me very much, in such series it is usually played out with a different shape of ears, height or something else. But it's just about the skin. And it's sooo weird. That's where the future is, not the 17th century. What about equality and all that, how has humanity become so degraded? I rather expected a similar reaction from people in the second episode about the 1960s.
This sad law of the series, that good supporting characters die and scoundrels survive, has always saddened me. And here it is again.