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Doctor Who — s01e05 — Dot and Bubble

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Duration: 44 min.
Released: 01.06.202401.06.2024 02:00
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1 season
s01e05
s01 special-4 - The Church on Ruby Road
s01e01 - Space Babies
s01e02 - The Devil's Chord
s01e03 - Boom
s01e04 - 73 Yards
s01e05 - Dot and Bubble
s01e06 - Rogue
s01e07 - The Legend of Ruby Sunday
Release date
22 June

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NebSehemvi
NebSehemvi
01 Jun 03:28 # Show original
According to the spoilers, it turned out that they were racist and the Doctor would move the speech.
In the end, none of this happened?

It is clear that RTD made rather a transparent hint. But it can also be read as "oh, well, we are the elite here, and you are the horseradish from the mountain." But God help it all.

I'm wondering who created these monsters and who turned AI against humans?
I would have given up on these questions if the series had a good ending. But the ending is not very good, and I want satisfaction somewhere else.

Well, to some extent, I don't really understand the Doctor's rage - both in the classics and in other series, he didn't drag me by force if someone didn't want to save me. And besides, at some point you need to grow up yourself and learn to save yourself.

The series is about nothing.
vk188829
vk188829
01 Jun 04:26 # Show original
@NebSehemvi: The doctor said that the AI has gained self-awareness and has become so angry himself, tired of listening to the stupid chatter of its users. I didn't see any spoilers about racism, but I realized that something was wrong when I saw only white people among the users of the Dot. And in the end, the hint was no longer subtle.
NebSehemvi
NebSehemvi
01 Jun 11:54 # Show original
@vk188829:

The doctor said that the AI had gained self-awareness and had become so angry himself, tired of listening to the stupid chatter of its users."
I understand that. But as an explanation, it works crazy. Plus, there were only two mentions of AI, and suddenly at the moment where the Doctor guesses that it was AI that rebelled. Here, in my humble opinion, even AI has nowhere to be particularly screwed, except in navigation in 3D space, but then what's the chatter and why listen to it. The model could be clean and visible.

"I didn't see any spoilers about racism, but I realized that something was wrong when I saw only white people among the users of the Dot. And in the end, the hint was no longer subtle."
Now imagine that the series is for epoch 11, which is what RTD was talking about in the comments. It doesn't work with racism anymore. But the class thing works, for example - they are all the children of the rich. Well, honestly, it looks like RTD pulled the sketches out of the cache and hastily redone them.
+ still thin - you can read on Twitter/reddit how many people didn't catch it)
And it was only after reading other people's comments that they noticed it.

And the explanation of the appearance of the monsters did not care. Did the AI let you in from the forest? And then how did the larynx turn out to be on their home planet?

PS At the same time, a well-made Kerblam is disliked. Yeah.
iasra
iasra
01 Jun 14:52 # Show original
@NebSehemvi: By the way, that girl's "mom" is also the face in the ambulance. It turns out either an unrealistic coincidence (well, the corporation took the first photo for the face of the ambulance) or it's not accidental)
It turns out that she is not a mom, but a "mom". Maybe they also lived like this on their home planet, and saw relatives only online? And is it AI, or was the corporation just raising people, raising them for some kind of experiment?

And in general, the Doctor is happy again) Jody mostly had some kind of ragged slurred plot (
ComicGirl
ComicGirl
01 Jun 15:53 # Show original
@iasra: and also the mother of that girl and the face of the ambulance - Newton's maid, a spectator at Ruby's concert, a member of the crew of the ship with the children, a barmaid, a skier. :) So I think it doesn't really matter here, it's just that "there's always a twist in the end ©", although the call to "mom" strongly smacked of AI generation.
I also thought at some point that children in this society were artificially raised and could generally be associated with the corporation that made space children. Lindy also mentioned that she had never been hugged, which is an interesting coincidence, although it may just be another cliche in the spirit of "ah, this is a sterile digital society without living emotions."
iasra
iasra
01 Jun 16:49 # Show original
@ComicGirl: previous appearances can still be attributed to coincidence, or a kind of "tribute" to the actress. And then the Doctor himself noticed, so this is part of the plot)
badwolfk
badwolfk
01 Jun 22:52 # Show original
@iasra: Of course she's part of the plot. It's Susan Twist. There's always a twist at the end.

Well, or just RTD troll and roflit over all of us, creating the illusion of mystery. He also said relatively recently that it doesn't mean anything and Britain just ran out of actors, so they're taking Susan Twist on small roles :D
id5098067
id5098067
03 Jun 14:13 # Show original
@iasra: It seems to me that this woman is something like a Chekhov gun.
Like the mentions of Bad Wolf that were in almost every episode of one of the seasons (sorry, hoovians, I don't remember which season) . In the end, this gun will definitely fire, imho.
KonstantinRomeow
KonstantinRomeow
04 Jun 01:59 # Show original
Bad Wolf was in the first season. Not in the first season with Gatva and not in the first season with Hartnell, but in the first season with Eccleston.

In the second season, the word "Torchwood" was the same red thread, in the third the mysterious "Mr. Saxon", in the fourth - the appearance of Rose Tyler in half of the episodes and the disappearance of planets, in other episodes in the fifth cracks in the shape of a crack in Amy's wall, but starting from the sixth season these "seeds" have become weaker and over time, they almost completely disappeared. In the sixth, there were still formal mentions of "silence" and the face of Miss Kovarian appearing in the wall, and in 7B there was the riddle of Clara Oswald, in the eighth - the place where all the dead characters fell, in the ninth "the prophecy of the hybrid", in the tenth if I remember correctly there was nothing, in the eleventh there seemed to be one-the only mention of the "Timeless Child" from the flying rags, which found completion not even at the end of the eleventh, but in the twelfth. Well, the thirteenth did not need such elements because in it all six episodes were already parts of the same story.
JellyBaby
JellyBaby
04 Jun 10:01 # Show original
@iasra: Let's remember more Space babies, maybe it will all be connected later?)
iasra
iasra
04 Jun 10:26 # Show original
@JellyBaby: by the way, yes, here is a farm where children are raised)
id150317179
id150317179
03 Jun 12:58 # Show original
@NebSehemvi: I also wondered at first why almost nothing was explained in the end, but then I decided that probably this is still part of the overall plot and maybe all these young people are the same as the cosmo kids from the first series and all this will be explained at the end of the season. For a reason, even the Doctor has already focused on the constantly appearing mysterious woman. There must be some connection between all this.
quinn-noble
quinn-noble
04 Jun 22:33 # Show original
@NebSehemvi: and it seemed to me that gg meant that the Doctor was old) they have everything from 17 to 25 there, and the Doctor is clearly more (purely externally)
NaruHinka
NaruHinka
01 Jun 04:58 # Show original
Wow, what an evil episode. It makes my teeth ache from the ending.
Of course, the satire is very brazen - rich party-goers who just sit on the Internet and don't want to work, but so they can't walk straight without a pointer?.. Well, that's really it. The heroine was initially disliked with all this arrogance, but when she absolutely without regret killed the ONLY COOL PERSIAN, then everything became clear.
Unfortunately, scum most often survive because they only think about themselves and go over their heads. That's the way the world works. The Doctor was also too kind in the finale...
ComicGirl
ComicGirl
01 Jun 07:05 # Show original
Social commentary, yes.
Episode "Doctors" - well, um...
actually mixed feelings after this series, it seems like it's so crinkly funny, which is even good, not bad. The heroine is vile, that's good too. But in the end, to reduce everything to the color of the skin is somehow not a Doctor's banal. They would have come up with some other distinctive feature, according to which there is a division in their society, the shape of the ears or nose there, I don't know, ideally something more subtle and inconspicuous. :) So that it would be just as stupid, but not so head-on.
On the other hand, if we consider this as a Bubble for the viewer - the whole episode we did not notice anything unusual in the fact that there were only Caucasians on the screen, except for the Doctor, since our own bubble from the media accustomed us to the fact that this is the standard, and the rest is rather a deviation, then the series works. But it would have been more relevant in this form 10 or even 20 years ago. Now you just don't think that people of the future can be so limited, even rich, selfish and not very smart, so the ending somehow passed me by.
Maybe I'll grab the cons and maybe I'll change my mind about this series, but so far the fresh impressions are like this. In my personal rating of the season, it is definitely lower for me than the previous two episodes.
ComicGirl
ComicGirl
01 Jun 07:20 # Show original
@ComicGirl: Considering the ending, however, it becomes clear what Lindy found so outrageous about Ruby and the Doctor being in the same room. "He will be punished when it's all over." Still, there are some subtle moments for which the series can be loved.
And the larynxes are amazing!
dmarsova
dmarsova
01 Jun 08:16 # Show original
@ComicGirl: zhrusenitsy is an awesome word!
ComicGirl
ComicGirl
01 Jun 11:58 # Show original
@dmarsova: All rights belong to TEAmTARDIS. ;)
Darkes
Darkes
01 Jun 19:31 # Show original
@ComicGirl: it might as well be a comment on social division, not necessarily by skin color, it's just what catches the eye the most. and it's not for nothing that they also emphasized about the elite, rich children - they also have a lot of their own problems, because of which they won't want to stand next to ordinary mortals.
vereliovoli
vereliovoli
02 Jun 06:11 # Show original
correct me if I'm wrong, but they didn't tell us it was about skin color. this is our conclusion. It was said that they were outsiders, not from their society, and so on. Or did I miss something?
ComicGirl
ComicGirl
02 Jun 06:31 # Show original
@vereliovoli: well, look, I'm not correcting (since, of course, no one in the series said it in plain text), but I express my opinion and the opinion of many British and American viewers:
1. In principle, the absence of people with a different skin color in this world is more familiar to us as Slavs, and many were surprised by this immediately.
2. The immediate block is exactly the Doctor, the inscription "unwanted request" (
there was no such thing on Ruby). 3. The phrase that "I thought you just looked like" or something like that from Lindy. One can, of course, attribute it to her not remembering faces, but in general, the concept of "all _ on one person" is more common precisely in connection with race.
4. Her disgust at the realization that the Doctor and Ruby are in the same room, despite the fact that she had twins as friends, for example.
5. "He is not as stupid as he looks ", "he will be punished ", "this, of course, was your duty to save us."
6. The mention of voodoo at the end and the phrase about "contagiousness" is also characteristic of racial prejudice.
7. She clearly told the Doctor that the problem was with him - "you, SIR" - , not Ruby.
Yes, each of these details can be explained by something else, but all together they add up to the most likely and simplest answer.
vereliovoli
vereliovoli
02 Jun 06:34 # Show original
Oh, and really, they clearly separate the doctor from Ruby ... thanks for the detailed recalculation of all the details!
EmilD
EmilD
02 Jun 11:21 # Show original
@ComicGirl: She also called the TARDIS voodoo, which is kind of a direct hint.
RihterRed
RihterRed
03 Jun 22:53 # Show original
@ComicGirl: but it seemed to me that it was a matter of age. Corny Doctor is an adult (Ruby is 19, so she's still a teen). Therefore, the kids refused to go with him at the end, because there is a wild world outside, and we will explore it, just like our ancestors, into which they rushed contrary to all common sense, although before that they walked solely on the orders.
Imho, a series about growing up (and transition age?). There are all the cliches about teenagers - whining about work, lukism, stupid music. I really don't know how to explain the act of a girl who left a guy to die.
milena_pond
milena_pond
04 Jun 01:16 # Show original
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milena_pond
milena_pond
04 Jun 01:19 # Show original
Jokey is only 31 years old and younger than the actor who played Ricky.
KonstantinRomeow
KonstantinRomeow
04 Jun 02:01 # Show original
@milena_pond: in "Sex Education" (at least in the first three seasons, I haven't watched the final one yet), he successfully looked like a schoolboy, and in "Doctor Who" he probably would have looked even younger than Matt Smith if not for the mustache
milena_pond
milena_pond
04 Jun 02:03 # Show original
That's it! quite a young man. age has nothing to do with it
Mysterious-007
Mysterious-007
05 Jun 22:04 # Show original
@ComicGirl: about Voodoo, I also realized that all this is vile racism and even saw disappointment on the doctor's face when he realized what it was about. In general, I did not connect all these hints with racism at first, only this phrase cut. So, I thought that this was just a spoiled girl who thinks that everyone around her just owes her a priori and skin color has nothing to do with it at all. The series is not familiar to the Doctor, yes, the series always showed how not to, but it was as if it always gave hope at the end of the series and saw and pulled out the best in a person, but here on the contrary. I hope it won't be like this anymore. A doctor should give faith and hope in the best in people, and that's why I love him.
noorcaste
noorcaste
12 Jun 12:23 # Show original
@ComicGirl: I didn't agree before, but you convinced me!
dmarsova
dmarsova
01 Jun 08:15 # Show original
The series flew by instantly. The main character, of course, accelerated steeply from crashing into a pole that is right in front of her to running up the stairs. I do not believe. It's a shame for Richard, a pleasant character. I was hoping the Doctor would come back for him, since the ship sails, and he stayed in the city. It's sooo strange that I didn't even try.

Until I read the comments, I thought the fact is that the kids are elite and generally look down on everyone anyway. Yes, it was obvious how white everyone was in the Dough, but this could be explained by something else. And to do it head-on - well, let's go, well, the audience is not so stupid. Just like with the Mip pronouns. It 's annoying . I can do better.

Isn't Dot a distant relative of those particles from which houses were built in some series of the Eleventh epoch?
Darkes
Darkes
01 Jun 19:34 # Show original
@dmarsova: The Doctor couldn't get inside, otherwise he wouldn't have been so sophisticated the whole series. Even if the door with the code could be opened to exit, it is not a fact that it was possible to enter through it later.
KonstantinRomeow
KonstantinRomeow
02 Jun 00:43 # Show original
@dmarsova: if you're talking about the episode "Smile", then it was in the era of the Twelfth, and I don't remember the episode about robots with AI from which houses were built.
dmarsova
dmarsova
02 Jun 01:42 #
@KonstantinRomeow: да, я про него! Спасибо!

The Vardy were extremely intelligent and diverse microbots capable of learning new skills and adapting to the tasks required, such as pollination of large fields of wheat. They moved by floating through the air in large swarms and could move very fast.
LerKechan
LerKechan
02 Jun 13:47 # Show original
@dmarsova: Well, listen, I'll argue about it head-on. A huge number of people just did not understand that it was about racism
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
02 Jun 13:56 # Show original
@LerKechan: if they had given an explanation that this episode is about Global Warming, then nothing would have changed.
Here recently an Atlas was released about AI and there is one of the fresh comments that can be applied with full confidence to this episode... To quote a little bit:
"This is a very bad movie.
Starting from the basic principles of the world shown in the cinema, ending with the logic of the characters' behavior, this is the most miserable bottom.
.. And it
's like that in everything — the whole movie is a collection of cliches from thirty years ago, it's incredibly predictable and fake. Bad script, bad acting."
Iradakzlv
Iradakzlv
Yesterday, 20:08 # Show original
Richard didn't come back, he was killed because this Lindsay framed him, saying that he changed his last name, and he was killed by a dot blow to the forehead
Nog
Nog
01 Jun 11:16 # Show original
Constantly being surrounded by dozens of small screens with other people is a nightmare.
Mysterious-007
Mysterious-007
05 Jun 22:08 # Show original
@Nog: Besides the black mirror, of course I remembered the Fahrenheit 451. It's creepy and true.
fayt_m
fayt_m
01 Jun 12:05 # Show original
It's like I've watched a series of Black Mirrors.
fennec_fox
fennec_fox
01 Jun 14:29 # Show original
@fayt_m:
Lefkadia
Lefkadia
02 Jun 09:42 # Show original
@fayt_m: Rather a soft and slightly club-footed version of the Black Mirror))) But I also immediately remembered this series)
Regis-emiel
Regis-emiel
01 Jun 13:11 # Show original
a real black mirror, but with a twist about racism. and in the end it is immediately clear that they are all such white gentlemen. there are hints before, quite noticeable.
in the end, some kind of vibes of gone with the wind even.
such an unpleasant Lindy. The role was a success for the actress. and that look at the end.
cherik-cherik
cherik-cherik
01 Jun 13:31 # Show original
I was very afraid that this would be the second orphan-55, but the series was very impressive

I was too much infuriated by the nightmarish make-up, and because of this, I completely missed the fact that all the residents look like relatives, so the twist with the fact that they are also racists caught me. By the way, it is also interesting that they are, apparently, also very religious people there, so it will certainly be very fun for them to live in the wild. The guy who wants to be in charge has very manic vibes

of course, it was immediately clear that Ricky September would die, but to do SO .... tin

It's a pity that they didn't say anything about where these snails came from, because biological laboratories for the destruction of the population somehow sound too clownish today. It is also interesting what kind of information they processed there for 2 hours a day.... Like, since they have such a cool AI, what can ticktockers do?

The doctor recognized Susan Twist 👀
Regis-emiel
Regis-emiel
01 Jun 13:52 #
ии такой:
"eat the rich" white racists! :D
и создал жрусениц
cherik-cherik
cherik-cherik
01 Jun 20:39 # Show original
@Regis-emiel: Comrade zhrusenitsa and Comrade Dot
Amyinthetardis
Amyinthetardis
01 Jun 22:45 # Show original
@Regis-emiel: Come to the Doctor Who fandom, we have a long-range grandmother and wives!
Бранд
Бранд
01 Jun 23:43 # Show original
@Regis-emiel: & # 34;eat pineapples, chew users!" :)
id264460076
id264460076
01 Jun 14:01 # Show original
Damn, I do not know who this Lindy is, and why Doc was so hurt by her death, but the fact that I almost got into the screen because I wanted to give her an excellent chapalach is a fact! What an infuriating thing!
Da6kaz
Da6kaz
01 Jun 14:09 # Show original
While watching it, I thought it was a good episode, but it was kind of passing, not much about anything. Without enthusiasm after the previous one.

It was only at the end that it dawned on me how brilliantly it was written. It took me to hear "voodoo" to realize all the previous bells on the topic. That's how, in a second, the volume of meaning in everything seen in 40 minutes multiplied by two.

Wow!
Togusa
Togusa
01 Jun 14:10 # Show original
They killed David Bowie, the damn racists.
ComicGirl
ComicGirl
01 Jun 16:02 # Show original
After a few hours, I decided that I still liked the series, because it cut and hooked me significantly. After reviewing the end, I also noticed how Ruby was sobbing at the moment of the Doctor's speech, how she was trying to awkwardly stop and comfort him. But she can't find the right action in any way to show the meaninglessness of any of his words, because everything is already clear to her, unlike him. I was inspired by her as a companion. Unlike Amy or Clara, who would have scattered everything brick by brick, she is most likely (taking into account the foster family) faced with manifestations of racism, trying first of all to protect the Doctor.
And I also came across another interesting coincidence here.:
Ricky September, initials R. S. Last name is associated with the date. He dies at the moment when the mystery of his origin is revealed. Either there is something to think about, or RTD just has a limited alphabet. :)
apb48
apb48
01 Jun 16:46 # Show original
"They leave us for dessert. Perhaps we are the tastiest of all!He rolls his eyes and glows with happiness.Amazing arrogance and sense of superiority.🤔

"If you want to live, you won't get so excited"!Awesome and instant progress, from not being able to get around a table, a pole, to running and climbing stairs.
SophietheValiant
SophietheValiant
01 Jun 17:41 # Show original
It's a cool episode, I liked it
EmilD
EmilD
01 Jun 18:23 # Show original
When I first found out the spoilers that everyone would turn out to be racist at the end of the series, I was a little upset because I thought it couldn't be played nicely, plus I was expecting some kind of instructive speech from the Doctor, like Jody had.

Then the first reviews of the series appeared, which did not greatly praise the series, compared to the same 73 yards. Therefore, I watched the series with caution and low expectations.

It's good that my expectations were not met. This episode rolled Dick into me. Firstly, it is very beautiful, as if the contrast was turned to the maximum, plus the Bubble chip was very coolly visualized. It may seem to some that this is easy, but no. The video about the filming of the series says that it was the most difficult thing in the series, and it's understandable. Plus, the bubble people thing is very cool done, especially knowing how it's actually filmed. Whoever combined this into a single picture should be given a reward. It's perfectly done.

But more than that, of course, I was stunned by the final twist. I knew that everyone would end up being racist, so I followed all the hints carefully throughout the series. If you don't really listen to how Lindy reacts to the Doctor, you may not notice it (as many people didn't notice), but Lindy didn't react very much to Ruby either. And I kept waiting for what the ending would be. How it will be played. And I fucking loved it. It's a feeling of devastation when a Doctor offers them help and they refuse it because they can't accept it from a person with a different skin color. And the saddest thing is that such people still meet in life, and this does not necessarily concern the color of the skin. It's been a long time since I've felt such emotions. Right in the best traditions of the Black Mirror.

I also liked Gold's music in the series. It's very different from the music from his other series. And the saddest thing, of course, is the death of Ricky September. He didn't deserve to die like this.

And yes... Itsy Bitsy Teenie Viney Yellow Polka Dot Bikini


NaruHinka
NaruHinka
01 Jun 22:39 # Show original
@EmilD: Ricky September is burning in our hearts
Takumikun
Takumikun
PRO
14 Jun 23:32 # Show original
@EmilD: and I seem to be one of those who did not understand racism...like, I thought that in the end they reacted to him for the fact that he was so brazenly and without asking violating his personal space, like she blocked him, and he unblocked, and so on. Like he's a violator of the Dome rules.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
15 Jun 09:41 # Show original
@Takumikun: and there was no racism, except black... a kind of bulge, they say - look! and in fact - pulling an owl on a globe, in connection with which the question is - and why? to feel sorry for the offspring of victims of oppression two hundred years ago again?
LerKechan
LerKechan
01 Jun 19:09 # Show original
The series itself is quite good, but the twist has taken it to a new level. I categorically do not understand those who say that it is not about racism, but about some other prejudice.
In the series, racism was hinted at very clearly and clearly: there is no one in the bubble except whites, gg listens only to Ruby, she doesn't even want to listen to the doctor, almost directly says "I thought you were another guy, similar to the first one" ("All of you on the same person "), with disgust realizes that Ruby and the doctor are in the same room ("then he will be punished"). Here is this comment about voodoo and how not to get infected with something from the Doctor
Due to this plot twist, the series turned out to be extremely unusual, I thought that the fact that the doctor is now played by an actor of another race would be commented on in a series about the past. And they made a knight's move and made it even more interesting: with a completely technologically progressive society
LerKechan
LerKechan
02 Jun 16:21 # Show original
@LerKechan: I reviewed a couple of points, and noticed the reaction of people in the chat when the doctor gets in there. They look at him with disgust and absolute horror. And when Ruby starts repeating after him, it's already normal and as if they begin to perceive what she says
Jeronimoo
Jeronimoo
PRO
01 Jun 19:32 # Show original
To be honest, I didn't like the series the first time, I always gave any series a chance and there was no such thing that I didn't like at all..The only thing that I liked and impressed was the Joke game at the end..I could feel his disappointment in people through the screen... he was actually given the opportunity to show the potential of his more emotionally open Doctor, which is fine, but this scene does not come out to fully enjoy, due to the fact that the garter to it is so godlessly stupid..Therefore, for me personally, this series is worse even than Love and Monsters, because at least there were pleasant characters there..but Ricky is very sorry..
I'm sorry, I really try to be respectful and unbiased about someone else's work, but after watching this episode, I almost want to personally turn to Russell T. Davis, this brilliant screenwriter with a giant list of magnificent, amazing stories in his bosom, and ask: “Russell, I understand everything, of course, Seriously, though… What was that all about now?!”..I sincerely wanted to love this episode, but... nooo...Excuse me..It also seemed to me that there is also a theme of racism here..I don't like it terribly!!By the way, an interesting moment when the Doctor and Ruby kind of recognized Susan, we thought it was glitches that she just plays different characters, but no, it's a sign that she's really a key character, maybe Ruby's mom or someone else, in short, I'm intrigued..
Darkes
Darkes
01 Jun 20:01 # Show original
@Jeronimoo: And what's wrong with the topic of racism? On the contrary, it would be very strange not to touch on this topic once during the whole season with Jokey, but here it was also done in a rather unusual way.
iasra
iasra
02 Jun 23:12 #
@Darkes: и раньше тоже были серии про расизм, и у Джоди, но больше запомнилось с Мартой, она в одной серии прям явно спрашивала, а ничего что я в этом времени, и я черная?
Ну и серия где доктор заблокировал себе память, а она притворилась служанкой...
Короче, я ожидала что тему разумеется затронут, где-то в прошлом, но никак не в будущем) казалось бы человечество давно избавилось от таких предрассудков... Это выглядит жутко)
jenix
jenix
03 Jun 01:02 # Show original
@Darkes: It's strange then to approve a black actor for the role of a Doctor at all, and then shoot a series with morality about racism. Some kind of slight bipolar inconsistency.
Actually, Jokey is an excellent actor! But the series is about nothing. They didn't tell us about the multiverse universe, nor did they open the veil of secrets, just a forced banality in glossy paper.
Jeronimoo
Jeronimoo
PRO
03 Jun 01:19 # Show original
@iasra: but with Jody, it was at least very interesting straight and with the inclusion of a very cool story, and now I think it turned out a little creepy))I don't remember about Martha, can you remind me of the series?
Jeronimoo
Jeronimoo
PRO
03 Jun 01:21 # Show original
@jenix: I just agree, at least someone also thinks the series is very negative!!
jenix
jenix
03 Jun 01:36 # Show original
@Jeronimoo: Now I'm watching "behind the scenes" about the shooting of the series. The work has been done titanically, but the result is doubtful.
I had this once: before the screening of the film, the actors came out satisfied, told me how difficult it was to shoot, how they tried, and the film turned out to be a complete failure.
Such feelings are ambivalent and unpleasant.
iasra
iasra
03 Jun 08:10 #
@Jeronimoo: первое где она спрашивала все ли ок что она темнокожая в прошлом, это "Код Шекспира"

А с Доктором с амнезией, и Мартой служанкой "Человеческая природа" и "Семья крови". Двойная серия.

А с Джоди да, серия отличная, но там это и было сюжетом, так сказать "в лоб".
Lefkadia
Lefkadia
04 Jun 07:16 # Show original
@iasra: another very strong series with the theme of racism "Rose" about Rosa Parks is a vivid demonstration of both the story and the problem itself (plus the Doctor's universe was harmoniously inscribed)
Darkes
Darkes
01 Jun 19:48 # Show original
An interesting and multifaceted series. It is unusual that in the end the Doctor did not manage to save anyone, despite the fact that he had the opportunity. His impotence on this matter is very well felt, and the thin lines of racism are visible - that's actually exactly how you should talk about burning topics, it does not immediately catch your eye, but when it does, it takes you by the soul very much. Moreover, the viewer was given to understand everything for himself, without chewing as in the lesson "this and this is bad ", which Chibnell often sinned in his episodes.

In addition, here you begin to think about the complex of the savior of the Doctor and why he is so eager to save everyone and everything. It is clear that this is in his nature, and he will not pass by people in trouble, but there is some kind of oppressive despair.
Olululala
Olululala
01 Jun 19:54 # Show original
I really liked this episode, for me, perhaps, the best of the season at the moment.
Lindy is very angry and stupid, who is also evil and selfish.
Such an unexpectedly sweet and smart Ricky.
And I liked the ending too, although I only realized about racism when I went into the comments, I also thought that it wasn't about skin color, but about some kind of social status of the elite or something. And the way the Doctor turns out to be just stunned by their refusal, although usually people beg him to save them. Very strongly.

P.S. Ricky's song is very clingy, I would listen to it 😂
LerKechan
LerKechan
01 Jun 20:23 #
@Olululala: а это реальная старая песня
Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini
Исполнитель Bryan Hyland, на Ютубе есть
Olululala
Olululala
01 Jun 23:22 # Show original
@LerKechan: Yeah?! I went to Google )
maybe12345
maybe12345
01 Jun 21:24 # Show original
Typical majorica. They live in their bubble in every sense. They do not value anyone, they are not familiar with conscience and gratitude, they are far from real life. Ilitka, who had been pushing buttons for 2 hours, went to conquer the jungle in a pink blanket with a pipe. Mom's pioneers.
Ricky is sorry. It's amazing how such a guy appeared among the arrogant infantiles.
An aunt in a beret does not last for 24 years.
Dot could have killed the majoricks without bothering with overgrown woodlice, in the same way that she killed Ricky. Efficiently, at lightning speed, at the same time.
Бранд
Бранд
01 Jun 23:55 # Show original
@maybe12345: apparently, the option with the wives seemed more savory to her and corresponded to her inner great equation and the merits of the victims.
maybe12345
maybe12345
02 Jun 19:39 # Show original
@Brand: stupidly devour or stupidly devour, which in this case is equivalent.
MariaDemidova
MariaDemidova
01 Jun 22:24 # Show original
How the Doctor restrained himself from sending her on a long-distance erotic hike. I also wanted him to shout after me, "Yes, and die. A great loss," pathetically went into the tardis and flew away showing the fact. It would be beautiful
Amyinthetardis
Amyinthetardis
01 Jun 22:53 # Show original
I waited for Ricky to set me up until the last second, but it turned out that I had to think about another heroine. I was very disappointed.
Oh dear lovely Ruby, the actress so vividly and plausibly played this pity for another person, but the inability to do anything useful to help in this particular second. It was amazing.
And of course, a JOKE, which flies out a liter of saliva in a moment of anger. Thank you for leaving this particular take, because IT was strong.
I didn't notice the ghosts of racism the whole series, I thought that the bells were just a sign of their stupidity. Oh, yeah.
Anica22
Anica22
01 Jun 22:56 # Show original
And the slugs are the most normal guys here in the end.
Nastysun
Nastysun
02 Jun 00:23 # Show original
Wow, I forgot how tough Russell can be. Wow.
KonstantinRomeow
KonstantinRomeow
02 Jun 01:02 #
Охрененно, три топовых небанальных эпизода подряд, я в восторге.

Я люблю эру Чибнелла и Тринадцатой, правда люблю, но блин - какое же волшебство творит с этим сериалом вернувшийся шоураннер Рассел Т. Дэвис!
Если взять "Загадка Тсуранги", "Демоны Пенджаба" и "Керблам" - три в общем-то неплохих эпизода - и сравнить с "Бум", "73 ярда" и "Точка и пузырь" - то контраст выходит дичайший.
Я такой искренний кайф от просмотра не ловил... блин, хотел написать что давно, но на самом деле всего лишь со времён Четырнадцатого и Донны.

Спойлеров до просмотра я не знал никаких. Линди своими манерами и речью раздражала (актриса просто офигенно справилась со своей ролью), но я надеялся что в конце пройдя через преграды и трудности она "вырастет" и "исправится", станет "хорошим персонажем" - и ощущение в финале когда меня так шикарно подловили вау-поворотом с тем что и Линда и все её друзья это конченные мрази - это непередаваемо!
DeadDanny
DeadDanny
02 Jun 01:23 #
Лол, я только из комментов узнал, что серия про расизм. Во время просмотра я думал, что это стёб над зумерами, типа они настолько тупые, что даже ходить без подсказок не умеют, что они не могут работать больше двух часов в день, зато самомнения у них выше крыши, из-за чего они взрослых не слушают. Но оказалось, что это было про расизм... А может, про всё сразу?)
RihterRed
RihterRed
03 Jun 23:10 # Show original
@DeadDanny: plus, everything screams about addiction to gadgets and social networks and various teenage jokes, such as the first kiss (only hugs), and in the end there is an obvious teenage rebellion. Everything is spoiled by the mention that they are all rich there (well, hints of racism). A very twofold series.
albinka_
albinka_
02 Jun 07:11 # Show original
Well, I'm not surprised that the AI decided to kill everyone, these Persians pissed me off in 40 minutes of the series, and the AI was hanging out with them God knows how much :D
Ricky seems to have been sent to this place by his parents, just as in our world rich parents send their child to a private expensive school to study to be a lawyer, although he wants to become an artist or musician, so he is different from the rest :D

The series was so ridiculous that it even turned out to be good in the end (but I'm unlikely to review it). The mechanics of the work of this world and the upper planet with their parents remained somewhat schematic and was rather a strained convention to what was happening. For example, the most basic question is: who maintains this reserve for the rich? cleans houses/mows the lawn/cooking, where are all these workers or a bunch of robot assistants, everything is perfect around there, don't the majorettes themselves keep order? ) Well, apparently, they did not plan further reproduction either, and they are really like pandas in a nursery just hanging out without carnal desires?
The final twist is that they refuse the Doctor's help because of prejudice - it's interesting. And it's actually very plausible. Closed "established" societies are always against outsiders and are very rarely ready to accept help, even if it can save their lives (there are plenty of such local examples in reality).

And, this is surprising, because these stories visually have nothing in common at all, but in the end I experienced the same emotions as after watching the movie Fool Bykov. Whoever watched it, I think they'll understand why.
Mosmitr
Mosmitr
02 Jun 07:29 # Show original
Perhaps due to the fact that our mentality is closer to an inter-class conflict than an interracial one, I did not notice that there were racial prejudices here, or maybe I'm a fool ...
What bothers me more is this situation, in which there is not so much of this Doctor in the first season for the new Doctor. I know that Gatva was filming in parallel for Netflix during the filming, but was there such a tight schedule that it was impossible to wait? There are only 8 episodes here, and already in 2 episodes it wasn't really there. If this was his 2nd or 3rd season, then fine, but here we have to realize him, accept him, see his distinctive features, see the new Doctor in him... Okay, he sings, he has a mustache...
The 9th (Doctor) had an episode with the Dalek, the 10th overall and somehow stood out in the first Christmas episode, as did Smith in the 11th hour. Capaldi had enough eyebrows in the jubilee one, I already forgot the 13th one. The new Doctor, I want to see a good story with the Doctor, not with Ruby, snow, booger monsters and white racists.
EmilD
EmilD
02 Jun 11:17 #
@Mosmitr: Да, там был жесткий график, съемки Полового воспитания кажется были чуть ли не до середины февраля (и кажется несколько затянулись), а съемки Доктора Кто начались в начале декабря, то есть почти 2.5 месяца съемки шли без Шути. Плюс им надо было как можно быстрее отснять первый сезон, чтобы начать съемки второго сезона. Съемки первого сезона закончились в середине июля, а съемки второго сезона начались уже в октябре и закончились на прошлой неделе. Но при этом Шути успел засветиться в финальном юбилейном спешле, если что. Если бы серии вышли в январе, думаю, было бы лучше, но что есть, то есть. Но больше таких серий не будет, не переживайте.
Шпрот
Шпрот
02 Jun 10:53 # Show original
Sorry for Ricky September. I would like him to become the Doctor's companion. Such a positive, hot-headed, striving for self-development person in this crazy world where people have absorbed social networks, but alas and ah. Lindy was infuriating for the entire 45 minutes, the actress can be given some kind of award for being dishonest. She deserved it. Overall, the series is good, even excellent. With each episode, I like the series more and more, one is better than the other. It is a pity that there is so much unfounded in the series. Where did the Larynx come from?
Kata_Rios
Kata_Rios
06 Jun 23:31 # Show original
@Sprat: Zhukov created AI.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
02 Jun 13:17 # Show original
What was that? nonsense, nonsense, and more nonsense... senseless nonsense and stretching logic and the rudiments of common sense on the globe.
The worst episode so far... but according to the announcement of the next episode, she won't be like this for long.

ps. and what are Gupta's emotions at the end?
EmilD
EmilD
03 Jun 11:57 #
@MarkRaffer: даже не удивительно, что тебе не понравилось, ведь это буквально серия про тебя)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
03 Jun 13:01 # Show original
@EmilD: the main thing is that you like it, because I see that you are drooling in admiration... and yes, still look in the mirror, because this is just about such reference ones, which you are and who do not even ask questions, but admire.
EmilD
EmilD
03 Jun 13:52 #
@MarkRaffer: я понимаю, ты хотел, меня оскорбить, но камон, обвинять человека в том, что ему что-то понравилось? В каком манямирке это плохо и за это осуждают? Я уверен, ты можешь лучше. Жду!
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
03 Jun 14:50 # Show original
@EmilD: I stated a fact and nothing more! so flow around already...
Чучело-Мяучело
Чучело-Мяучело
03 Jun 18:04 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Fuck, take off the ban already, I'm a bitch on your side in this matter.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
03 Jun 18:17 # Show original
@Scarecrow-Meow: well OK
KonstantinRomeow
KonstantinRomeow
04 Jun 02:09 #
@MarkRaffer: я понимаю что прочитать "Nguti" как оно написано "Нгути" вместо правильного "Шути" это вполне логично и здраво, сам такую же ошибку делал пару раз пока не узнал как его имя должно произноситься (в конце концов прочитать "Saoirse" как "Сирша" или "Siobhan" как "Шивон" тоже нужно извернуться, но есть актрисы и с такими именами) но вот через какую такую задницу вы в "Gatwa" прочли "Гупта" - я отказываюсь понимать. Там же не "Gupta", не "Goupta" и даже не "Goopta". Если хотите чтобы ваши комментарии хотя бы такими же негативно настроенными хейтерами воспринимались всерьёз - будьте последовательными
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
04 Jun 10:34 # Show original
@KonstantinRomeow: Did you make a joke - is it right? Don't believe your eyes, but believe that someone wanted to? Well, Gupta is right... Is there a G? T - is there? A - is there? So what's your problem?
EmilD
EmilD
04 Jun 11:27 #
@MarkRaffer: схуя, что он сам себя называет Шути, зачем коверкать чужое имя? Давай я буду называть тебя Мурка, вместо Марка, норм?)
Чучело-Мяучело
Чучело-Мяучело
04 Jun 20:35 # Show original
@EmilD: A dubious example. I call myself Napoleon, and good citizens call me a Scarecrow. 🤣🤣

Just don't take it seriously.🙂
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
04 Jun 20:43 # Show original
@EmilD: these topics have already been discussed more than once... for the sound of Sh in English transcription, there is Sh or Ch, period! The rest is from the evil one and I want to be called a Joke - even if it is written through Sh.
EmilD
EmilD
04 Jun 20:49 #
@MarkRaffer: его нужно называть так, как он себя называет и точка, других вариантов не дано,
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
04 Jun 21:13 # Show original
@EmilD: Yes, I am against it... But you can't put 2+2 together? he wants to be called JOKEY - even if it is written with a Sh, especially since the designation of such a sound is present in English... but Nc is anything but Sh.
Once again, if he calls himself Jokey, then it is written with Sh... no? Well, Gupta is Gupta.
Чучело-Мяучело
Чучело-Мяучело
04 Jun 22:01 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Logic is a serious science! Arithmetic too. Not everyone can now unequivocally answer how much 2+ 2 will be. The scariest thing is, I'm not kidding right now. Two weeks ago, I talked with a distant relative, a girl of 11 years old, she really does not know the multiplication table.🙉🙈
EmilD
EmilD
04 Jun 22:06 #
@MarkRaffer: так его все называют Шути, кроме тебя умненького, только к чему эта принципиальность? Для его? Какая цель? Тебе хочется в каждом посте оскорбить актера, ты так самоутверждаешься что ли? Или компенсируешь? В жизни все плохо, и ты решил агрессировать в комментариях? Ты не понимаешь, что выставляешь себя здесь дураком? Или тебе просто 5 лет и мама разрешила за компуктером посидеть?

Все поняли, что ты гуглить не умеешь, если бы гуглил знал, что на самом деле его зовут Ншути, актер сам это сказал, это во первых, во вторых, в википедии ясно указано, но буква С в его имени на родном языке звук похожий на Ш-Ч и при этом кучу примеров уже скинули, в которых имена пишутся по одному, а читаются по другому, но мы продолжаем отрицать очевидно, как по-взрослому!

АПД. Но я решил углубиться в эту тему!

Вот тебе ролик с юутба (youtu.be/dCL3DDZczM0), где чел поет песню Ndonse Incuti Nziza, переводится как "очень хороший друг" и внезапно слово "incuti" произносится как "иншути", во дела, кто бы мог подумать, вот это твист! При этом слово "Nziza" произносится как "зиза" и буква "Н" вообще не произносится, ну тупые Руандийцы придумали странный алфавит! Зато в английском такого нет, как слышится, так и пишется! И в русском тоже!

С нетерпением жду твои гениальные аргументы, Мурка!

MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
04 Jun 22:55 # Show original
@EmilD: What is the insult? What am I being forced to say in Nc letters? I'm not a monkey to repeat all sorts of nonsense, and if the letter Sh has a designation like Sh, then no Nc jumped anywhere near here.
EmilD
EmilD
05 Jun 11:08 #
@MarkRaffer: ясно)
> заставляют говорить
ты не говоришь, а пишешь, во-первых,
а во-вторых, ты буквально пишешь гупта, это вообще другое слово, вместо хотя бы нкути, лол
> не обезьянка, чтоб всякие глупости повторять и если у литеры Ш есть обозначение как Ш
у тебя видимо по английском было два, если ты называешь это глупости,
Слова типа special и precious, в которых С, которые произносятся как Ш, сейчас вышли из чата, это я не говорю, что английское С иногда произносится и как Ц и как К и как Ч, иногда она вообще не произносится, как в слове muscle, например, но именно у Шути совесть не позволяет С произносить как Ш, кхех.
Конечно все понимают, почему ты этого делаешь и специально привлекаешь к себе внимание, это выглядит жалко, конечно.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
05 Jun 11:50 # Show original
@EmilD: Well, what about Gupta - another word? there are the same number of letters and only one of the letters sounds different when reading, but how does my Gupta differ from Gutwa? it's just that I read tw letters like pt and isn't that right? In the language of tumba-mumba, this is exactly how it is and you just HAVE to accept it... Or don't you have to? Or do you no longer see the discrepancy with what you are pedaling and believe that this is different? Well, I have bad news for you...
and yes - if this Misero himself claims that his name is Nkuchi, and you're only joking because he thinks that pale-faces are too stupid to pronounce his name correctly, then isn't it black racism? The question, as they say, is rhetorical! WAKANDA forever!!
EmilD
EmilD
05 Jun 12:51 #
@MarkRaffer:
ну то есть ты решил чисто проигнорировать все аргументы и задвигать что-то твое, ну классика)
Фамилия Гатва (только она пишется не Gutwa, а Gatwa, лол, и снова ты обoсрался) и на английском произносится как Гатва и на его родном языке языке произносится как Гатва, как это в твоей головушке родилось, загадка)
Только он сказал, что правильно его звать Ншути, а не Шути, он сам об этом узнал всего лишь несколько лет назад, остальное даже комментировать не буду, откуда тут тупые бледнолицые взялись ваще, сам придумал, сам обиделся, и снова классика)
А ты прям конечно пример чистейшего шовиниста, хорошо, что все видят твою глупость в комментариях, но ладно, Мурка, отдыхай)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
05 Jun 13:22 # Show original
@EmilD: and what difference does it make, Gutwa or Gatwa, if all the same all sorts of letters are especially gifted like you are read not as it is written in the Oxford Dictionary, but as you want? Or is it only possible for them, but not for me? Once again, do you see any inconsistencies? Are you also mumbling something about chauvinism? Yes, you are just the most exemplary chauvinist, while on the contrary, I advocate that everyone should be rewarded according to his merits, and not this deliberate equality, when one is all in the end, because they are deprived and poor, and others - let them not be outraged, because they Benefits are NOT allowed.
EmilD
EmilD
05 Jun 20:35 #
@MarkRaffer:
> чтоб каждому воздавалось по заслугам его
чел, ты буквально коверкаешь его имя на сайте :D
Ну а вообще, тебя видимо в детстве кто-то нерусский обидел, может конфету в детсаду отобрал, что ты обозлился на весь мир и в особенности на чернокожих, и теперь пишешь в интернете всякую шовинисткую чушь. Или просто в интернете всякой херни начитался и теперь топишь за превосходство белой расы?) Только ты сразу и пиши так, я ненавижу негров и буду специально искажать их имена, потому что они обделенные и сирыеубогие, а мне нельзя возмущаться и не положены блага, а это нечестно! Будь полностью искренним тогда, а не прикрывайся оксфордским словарями, а то лицемерненько получается)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
05 Jun 21:30 # Show original
@EmilD: What are you talking about anyway? Have you even read what I wrote? or why are you trying to attribute your nonsense to me? Oh, you don't have to do that...
EmilD
EmilD
05 Jun 21:35 #
@MarkRaffer:
АХАХАХАХХА
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
05 Jun 22:47 # Show original
@EmilD: So you don't even realize how dumb and stupid you look? Well, I'm sorry... although in your case, everything has been clear for a long time.
Darkes
Darkes
06 Jun 01:38 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Actually, you're the only one who looks stupid here.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 10:25 # Show original
@Darkes: No, dear... those who continue to say on 2 + 2 that it is 6 look stupid, although by all the rules it will be 4 and I say 4, and even this Rwandan-Scot admitted that it would be right to be Nkuti, that is, 4 ... but there is no life! It's like those ass-fools said that you need to read Nc as Sh... what I say is that they are untrained, because they are not trained to think with their own heads. And when I write Gupta, it's just hyperbolized mirroring, and what do we see? Oh, yes, it turns out to be WRONG, as some here claim... and as usual in such situations, they write - which should have been proved and you need to be consistent and not hypocritical! Nc for them is Sh... yes, yes, yes.
EmilD
EmilD
06 Jun 10:32 #
@MarkRaffer: то есть ты даже не осознаёшь, на сколько тупо и глупо выглядишь? ну соболезную... хотя в твоём случае уже давно всё понятно.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 10:36 # Show original
@EmilD: Well, yes, what's in your forehead, what's in your forehead... That's just the boy - that's you- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6nGdd7tBhY
EmilD
EmilD
06 Jun 11:20 #
@MarkRaffer: ну да, тебе что в лоб, что по-лбу... вот как раз тот мальчик - это ты и есть - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6nGdd7tBhY
nozangel
nozangel
06 Jun 15:14 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: there are no languages other than English in the world... ok.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 16:15 # Show original
@nozangel: you won't believe it - there are a lot of languages, and it was for this, in order to bring to a common denominator, that they came up with both transcription and spelling rules for transcription.
they immediately suggest not to care about all the rules and to make bows for the sake of the tumbu-yumbu language, and to insult anyone who is outraged by the lack of bows. Oh, this modern one-way traffic tolerance.
Let's do it again, because I see that even if you read this and the previous lines, you still didn't understand anything... if the letters Y X and Y are arranged in the right order, but someone will demand that it is pronounced like a HOUSE, then how will you treat this? Take it on faith that this is still a HOUSE, and not what is written? So Nc is the same as the HOUSE in my example. But if you didn't understand after that, well, I'm sorry...
EmilD
EmilD
06 Jun 17:54 #
@MarkRaffer:
> тут же предлагают на все правила наплевать

ну да, поэтому ты НАПЛЕВАВ на все правила коверкаешь его фамилию, ну не гений ли?!)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 18:03 # Show original
@EmilD: Oh, yes, it's already been done and there's a quote: -
" And when I write Gupta, it's just hyperbolized mirroring and what do we see? Oh, yes, it turns out to be WRONG, as some here claim... and as usual in such situations, they write - which should have been proved and you need to be consistent and not hypocritical! Nc for them is Sh... yes, yes, yes."
Once again - that is, I can not write incorrectly, but someone can write INCORRECTLY - it turns out that it is possible? And isn't this the very hypocrisy against which I am outraged and about which I have already written a dozen comments? Or are you still unable to understand anything?
Darkes
Darkes
06 Jun 18:30 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: And how do you pronounce the words precious, delicious, vicious and the like? And charity and chemistry? Any language is always nuanced, there is no single rule for pronouncing a letter or a combination of letters. In addition, nc is not a typical combination for the English language, so they follow the rules of the source language, and do not change it in their own way. Chief and chef are also pronounced differently, although according to your logic it was necessary to resist and force everyone to say chef, not chef, and do so for all words borrowed from French. I am generally silent about the dialects that exist inside the English language, but somehow people adjust if necessary. Especially when it comes to proper names, there are no other argumentatives at all, except that the person himself says: my name is pronounced like this. Arguing with this is an unequivocal act of disrespect.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 18:49 # Show original
@Darkes: Nc is not just UNCHARACTERISTIC, but in general nonsense and does not occur in nature at all such a combination at the beginning of a word, and that is why, in order not to invent a bicycle, it was necessary to transmit sounds through well-known symbols, BUT in the end it turned out that he was not Joking at all, but the most that is, it reads as it is written... and Jokey is what his mother called him, and he, by virtue of his not very bright mind, thought that his name was so correct to write. But in this case, it looks as if someone, when their name is Shura, and it is written Sasha, and so he would claim that since my name is Shura, then the letters C and W are Shura.
NaruHinka
NaruHinka
06 Jun 19:59 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: I already have no words to describe what an impenetrable ******* (ram) you are. people have given you a lot of arguments and examples, caught you on a widespread insult, which for some reason you operate on tolerance, and you keep pushing your own.

In Kinyarwanda, <nc> represents phonetic [n̥tʃʰ], Ncuti as a variant of the name Nshuti in Kinyarwanda.
And since "n" is fluent in pronunciation, it is not surprising that the actor did not attach importance to it and, introducing himself, omitted it. If you are fighting so hard for correctness, then he is actually a Joke, but his name has already been adapted into Russian in a different way, which makes both options equally true specifically for Russian speakers. But not Nkuti, Gupta and your other sick fantasies.

"Once again - that is, I can not write incorrectly, but someone can write INCORRECTLY - it turns out that it is possible?" - no one can. Because by doing so you are showing your disrespect. But of course, you can write whatever you want, because no matter how you introduce yourself, after your comments, it is clear to everyone that you should only be called as I indicated at the beginning. I wish you all the best.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 20:14 # Show original
@NaruHinka: That's right - NO ONE can, and Joking is WRONG. Period! 2+2=4, not like you all want 5 or even 6.
So who's the impenetrable one? If I am both this way and that way, and even already hyperbolically pointing this out, let's either be right or not be hypocritical! But what is the result? You can't even understand basic things, but you repeat someone's wrong opinion like a fool's ass, despite the fact that you are not trained to think with your own brains... Why is that? The question is rhetorical...
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 20:33 # Show original
@NaruHinka: Well, are you quite peek-a-boo? You still wish for @MarkRaffer's death. Once again, I am convinced that liberals a priori do not accept any other point of view. I wish you happiness, prosperity and globality. But to wish a person "All the bad things for you". I'm sorry, but this is totally fucked up.
albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 20:34 # Show original
@MarkRaffer:
Ugh, I'm so tired of this argument.
The last argument: The word aNCient : NC is read as NSH.
In English, there is such a "combination ", and it is used in an ordinary word.

If after that you say that you are not satisfied with this example either, then your problem with this name is definitely not a combination of letters, but somewhere deeper.

>>> By the way, in English sometimes Sh pops up in very unexpected places. T can also be read as Sh, for example in the word Potential - here NT is read as NSH in American, and the British can generally pronounce it as patenchl.
How can we talk about strict unbreakable rules if people often borrow words from others languages - just leaving it as it is. And sometimes, in the same type of examples, everything sounds completely different.
For example, we write "compress", and no one is confused by the pronunciation of both "comprEs" and "Compress", but at the same time "crAm" - sounds funny to us, and if the word "Brand" is pronounced with an E, you will be considered strange.
And if you also multiply dialects and pronunciation, then there is even more variety.
NaruHinka
NaruHinka
06 Jun 20:35 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Do you have problems with your eyesight or are you just deliberately ignoring everything that is being told to you? What kind of struggle is this with windmills then? write a movie search, edit Wikipedia, let everyone know that the name was spelled incorrectly and people are not taught the way you preach! we're all just ditto fools, you're the only one who's so smart, you know how to read names written in another language correctly, so that you can write them through your ass and pay attention to your genius.
and at the same time, let's write Sir Isaac Newton properly and Dr. Watson and don't forget about kings and queens!

I hope this branch of the dialogue will be exhausted, and all adequate people will stay with me in your bathhouse, because they once dared to disagree with you. It's easier to figure you out later when you decide to share your genius again.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 20:37 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: this is the one-sided (as in traffic regulations) tolerance, where equality and other things do not smell, although it is verbally stated and even required to take into account opinions and wishes. But in fact, that's how it turns out.
And after all, how does it get along in the brain? Instantaneous LJ outrage went to Gupta, despite the fact that two words earlier I pointed to the same moment with Ncuti, but it was just normal.
In general, the topic of already eaten eggs is not worth the time spent. many people simply do not know how to believe in logic, cause-and-effect relationships and just in discussion.
EmilD
EmilD
06 Jun 20:47 #
@MarkRaffer: да, я лично тебе запрещаю)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 20:47 # Show original
@albinka_: the first one sounds like an enchant, but the potential is yes... and here are the rules of the language. No one argues with this.
but it doesn't bother you that in the huge Oxford dictionary, where there are hundreds of thousands of words, there are words starting with Na, then Ne immediately comes, and Nc is not in sight. Well, that's how it turned out ...
ps. and so - yes, too much undeserved attention is paid to this name. It's not worth it.
EmilD
EmilD
06 Jun 20:51 #
@Пьяный_ёжик: тот факт, что он намеренно коверкает имя актера без какой-либо на то причины, мы не замечаvт, ох уж эти двойные стандарты правачков, снимите уже комнату)
NaruHinka
NaruHinka
06 Jun 21:01 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: oh, we really have equal rights — I prefer not to respect your opinion, just like you do someone else's) regardless of what logical actions you use to hide behind when you are rude to everyone.
EmilD
EmilD
06 Jun 21:12 #
@MarkRaffer:
> первое звучит как энчент

How to pronounce ancient
UK/ˈeɪn.ʃənt/
US/ˈeɪn.ʃənt/

UK/ˈeɪn.ʃənt/ ancient
/eɪ/ as in day
/n/ as in name
/ʃ/ as in she
/ən/ as in sudden
/t/ as in town

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/ancient

ну ты муркин-кринжулькин, конечно, зачем ты продолжаешь позориться?)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 21:37 # Show original
@NaruHinka: What, did you manage to stick around and show your shitty nature? Which should have been proved! inadequate and similar to you kind of pus - do not change and do not know how to communicate and have never been able to. Flow around!
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 21:51 # Show original
@EmilD: The trouble is that in this senseless struggle you have absolutely not proved that you are right. I do not speak English, so it is difficult for me (I cannot judge) what exactly you are right! But @MarkRaffer's statements sound more logical. That's why it pisses you off, if it wasn't, you'd call him a fool, and you wouldn't remember or answer anymore, but you do it everywhere.
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 22:16 # Show original
@NaruHinka: I have problems with my eyesight too. Wish me - All the best to you. And, it's better to die right away, you're not used to it, you want and want it.
NaruHinka
NaruHinka
06 Jun 22:20 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: I'm sorry if for you saying goodbye to a person where you part on an unpleasant note (and I'm trying not to continue this dialogue) is a death wish. But if you ask, then I will wish you, I'm not sorry. That's the end of it.
NaruHinka
NaruHinka
06 Jun 22:32 # Show original
@MarkRaffer:
Let's compare the facts ‐ I express my disagreement with your opinion by putting a minus (this is the principle of the site), I bring various arguments to your objections, I appeal to you, although not hiding my negative attitude, and as a result I am: inadequate, pus, a shitty nature that does not know how to communicate and change.

Thank you very much for your feedback, I think it's already obvious to everyone what kind of person you are and whether it's worth starting a conversation with you. Don't write to me anymore.
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 22:35 # Show original
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MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 22:35 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: his name does not sound in English, but in one of the Bantu languages, where in informal speech there are a number of deviations from the written norm, which was naturally established by the white exploiters, but when writing their sounds in English letters, a lot of misunderstandings occur.
But, and this is very important and what I emphasized earlier (until I found out that he is still Nkuti) - I should not know all these nuances, who he is, what he is and where he comes from... I know that he is a) a British actor, albeit of African descent, and b) I see Latin letters and try to read them based on the fact that he is still a British actor. And then the clap - it turns out that you need to read the letters Nc as Sh. In the rules of the English language, if these are initial letters, and not how they try to do something in the middle, there is simply NO such thing. Oh well... the topic has long outlived itself.
albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 22:37 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Doesn't it bother you that the Oxford Dictionary doesn't list all the surnames in the world?) The surname is not a commonly used word, especially considering that the actor did not receive this surname in Britain.
It's just that everyone here doesn't understand your claim, and why the actor had to change his name by moving to another country.
It's just a bunch of actors whose first or last name is pronounced differently than it is written (if you read according to the rules of English). Because, attention, they are NOT British). And for some reason you have become attached specifically to this name.

And about ancient, you could also check out how it sounds - brit. [ˈeɪnʃ(ə)nt].
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 22:39 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: I wish you great health once again!!! And long life!!!
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 22:46 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: @NaruHinka it was for you.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 22:49 # Show original
@albinka_: Okay... let's take some kind of neutral example - for example, the surname Raffer, and I say that in the language of tumba-yumba, the letters Ra should be read as Ma, the double ff as rk, well, er - that's how it will be. In total, we have that this is not a Raffer, but a Marker. Well, these are the rules of tumba-yumba, so don't believe your eyes when you see Raffer, because it sounds like a Marker.
Are the claims clear now? And yes, I wrote about Nc exclusively as at the beginning of the word, and not the use of these letters somewhere in the middle.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 23:03 # Show original
@NaruHinka: the rules of good manners seem to hint to us that there is either a response to a remark, or a negative reaction to a specifically dissenting comment... both are comme il faut. But there is not so much legible backing, and even carpet, and just to reach out - this just shows the nature... that is, what I wrote about.
ps. and yes, I will not write to you anymore...
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 23:11 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Honestly, I'm writing, I'm not in the subject at all. I studied German at school and at the institute, so these subtleties are incomprehensible to me.But I thought your arguments were more reasoned than those of your opponents. Of course, I am familiar with English anyway, but only superficially. Here, in your dispute, I'm definitely not an assistant, because I'm a goofball in this matter.😃
albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 23:12 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Here are some candidates for you for new disputes:

I advise you to pay attention to Saoirse Ronan - how is it possible for her name to sound like that? Why not Saoirse Ronan

Joaquin Phoenix is also a good field for debate - Joaquin Phoenix is, in theory, Joaquin (and if you look at the interviews and the Oscars, that's what they say, but in Russia he became Joaquin).

Mia Wasikowska says that it is correct to pronounce Wasikowska, because she has Polish roots, but how would anyone give a fuck, right?)

Well, there are just a lot of such examples.
albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 23:18 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: You know, if it were a personal dialogue, and people would get to know you, and you would say that you are from the Tumba-Yumba tribe, so your last name should be read correctly that way, then most people who respect other people would say "Oh, wow How interesting. Okay, I'll remember, and I'll try to call you correctly, thanks for telling me.

Your attempt to prove that this is the owner of the first/last name is an idiot, and not those who cannot just accept and agree is quite strange.
If you follow your logic, then when you come across any name, surname, name, brand, etc. that you haven't heard before, then you don't give a fuck how it was originally conceived, and where it came from, and it doesn't matter whether the owner of the name or brand will be pleased. if the others call it right. The main thing is that for some stubborn person everything should be exactly according to his internal rules.

The Latin alphabet is used not only by the British and Americans, by the way. That is why we pronounce croissant, not croissant and Yves Rocher, not Juves Rocher.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 23:22 # Show original
@albinka_: all of these have rules. Well, the sound roughly conveys those letters or a set of letters. But Nc nowhere, except in the case of our hero, does not mean Sh, except for Bantu languages, and even then everything is thin and they are more Swahili than the Latin alphabet fits.
ps. well, about Sersha - here is a great video from her, and there is a lot that did not even dream of... especially Siobhan- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LeNsiKqXOP4
albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 23:28 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: Yes, what's the problem? Saoirse is Irish. The words are written in Latin. Why the fuck is she reading Names not clearly as it is written on the cards, but adding some left-wing sounds? Why the fuck does her name sound like C(e)rsha? show me the rules of the English language, from which it follows that Saoirse should be read as C(e)rsha, and not as Sayorse? Why should we just believe her and pronounce it the way she told us to pronounce it? By what rule of English did she read Siobhan as Siobhan, why didn't that Siobhan from the card change her name to the normal Sheevon so that it could be read according to the normal rules??

Let's be honest, here you see the name Saoirse Ronan and have never heard how it actually sounds or how she pronounces it herself. How would you read it? According to the rules of the English language?
And why do you call her Sersha, if it is not at all obvious from the spelling of this name? Why is there suddenly such respect for her and the pronunciation of her name? Why did you voluntarily bow down under the oppression of these emigrants, who dictate to you how to pronounce their names written in Latin, when there are clear rules for pronouncing these sounds?? Be consistent! She's not a Bitch to you!))


MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 23:36 # Show original
@albinka_: Well, that's what they call her... and Versace instead of Versace, but these are the inaccuracies where you can sort it out yourself, but you just made a mistake. But if something starts with Nc, then how can it be called through Sh?
And let's do it for the last time - he himself admitted that his name is a cross between Nkuti and Nshuti, that is, the letter N is not there for an empty place, but it REALLY reads, but his mother called him Jokey, that's all. That's how he introduced himself... well, about like Shura and Sasha, although it's all Alexander, although it would seem.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 23:41 # Show original
@albinka_: when someone Sirozha from Tuva was born, the passport officer was lazy and did not want to understand all these incomprehensible sounds, so she wrote down in the birth certificate how she heard, confusing the first and last name. In fact, the father should have been recorded as Shoigu Kuzhuget Serey-oglu, and his son, respectively, Sergei Kuzhuget Shoigu-oglu or Sergei Shoiguyevich Kuzhuget.
albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 23:50 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: I just don't understand why you call Sersha like that, and agreed with this pronunciation, although it is written completely differently and everyone sees it.
The same logic from your previous words applies here:
1) "I shouldn't know all these nuances"
2) "I see Latin letters and try to read them based on the fact that .. " in this case, she is still filming in Hollywood, i.e. a Hollywood actress. Therefore, you can read her name according to the rules of American English.

Why do you write it as Sersha? Because you already know this nuance? Then what's the problem with calling (N)jokey the way he said it was right, if you ALREADY know this nuance? Just out of principle? Because he is not Irish, but from the Tumba-Yumba tribe, whose language rules are not an authority for you, unlike the rules of Irish?

// if anything, I keep arguing not because I'm trying to convince you, it's been clear for a long time that this is impossible. I'm just wondering how consistent you'll be in your beliefs.

Well, the rules of the English language, according to which the combination of aoi gives the sound E, and iobh gives IB - you never showed me. That's why I still don't understand why you wrote Sersh, if it's obvious that according to Sersh's rules it doesn't work there.
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
06 Jun 23:51 # Show original
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albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 23:54 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: Do you have any other arguments in favor of Mark Raffer, besides the fear of death from someone else's wish? :D

Besides, neither you nor Mark were initially willing to die, you wrote the first one yourself:
------- "Well, are you quite peek-a-boo? You still wish for @MarkRaffer's death. "
and
------- " Wish me - All the best to you. And, it's better to die right away, you're not used to it, you want and want it."

You're losing the thread of the conversation. And at the same time, you ask yourself to wish you every bad thing, and then you reproach others for it. It is clear that with age, many people begin to fear death, but the argument here is not about that at all, if anything. If you really really want to get into the debate, prepare some arguments on the main topic of the dialogue, please : D)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
06 Jun 23:58 # Show original
@albinka_: because there are Vowel and Consonant sounds... sonorous and sibilant, and when there are disagreements in a group of vowels, well, it happens. But when a voiced consonant is required to be renamed into a sibilant one, then there is simply a discrepancy... but it's right to call our hero by H and he mentioned it himself, but why doesn't everyone do that? And yes, he is Scottish, and the rules of the Bantu language group are really NOT an authority, since they have seven Fridays a week and the spoken language does not correspond to anything at all. These are the realities.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
07 Jun 00:02 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: yes, here's another one that came out with the nickname Fucker... yes, yes, how such an obscene word was missed in the nickname - do not ask. And now he can't even eat a lump in his throat, so he took three or four dozen of my remarks in the topic. Despite the fact that he himself has managed to write a little more than five comments in his more than ten-year history. Well, that's the kind of audience here and such toxic users.
albinka_
albinka_
07 Jun 01:26 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: By the way, you banned me, I had not been in your bath before, although I did not give you any disadvantages at all, and I am not in the habit of giving disadvantages even to those with whom I argue, only if it is completely offensive or idiotic comments.

Well, if you want, here is a detailed analysis:
If anything, there are voiced, deaf and sonorous consonants in English. Unlike Russian, English does not have sibilant consonants. There are hissing sounds.

C is a deaf consonant. N is a sonorous one.

"C" is read in different ways - as ES (sometimes almost C), as W, and as K, as H in combination with other letters. And there will be a lot of variations too, there is no such thing that in 100% of cases such and such an arrangement is always necessarily read that way..
Centre, Cinnamon, Caesar - C/ES,
Combine, face, ice - ES
Cat, rocket, celtic, zinc - the sound of K
(yes, by the way, the CELibrate is through C, and the CELtic is through K, although they start the same, there is a disorder)
Picture - H (at the same time, CT is given in Eject - CT)
Social, Pediatrician - Sh (by the way, and T from some dick often becomes sounding like Sh - patient)

even the same combination of CH reads differently:
chemist, chord, school - CH - as For
cheese, chair, match - CH - as for

there is also this: muscle - here C as such is not readable at all. There will be "oil"

In many words, C is generally read differently throughout one word.:
concept - K and C, bicycle - ES and K, Architecture - K and H.

Well, let's remember the meme about Pacific Ocean,
where "C" is read in three different ways - Pacific Ocean.
______________________________
C is the most beaten letter, which gives hundreds of variations in combination with other letters.
albinka_
albinka_
07 Jun 01:26 # Show original
@MarkRaffer:
In Russian, by the way, consonants also often jump by sound.
Horseman - a ringing B turns into a deaf F,
Beach (sonorous W in the deaf), Oak (sonorous B in the deaf N).
And vice versa: Request (deaf C sounds like a ringing Z), repel (deaf T turns into a ringing D), Train station (deaf K into a ringing D).

In Russian, there is even a rule like this:
|| In many words of the Russian language, most often borrowed, it is impossible to check paired consonants using a "control word". These are vocabulary words, the spelling of which we just remember: anecdote, astronaut, football, etc.
________________________________________

And in general:
Deaf consonants tend to deafen neighbors by the word.
C, sounding like Sh, can deafen the sonorous N, so that it will be almost unpronounceable, because it is simply not very convenient to pronounce it there.

After all this, I'm ready to say "And (n)shalla" (if you don't know, look what it means). And I think that I will probably end this argument with this, because this is the maximum possible argument in this situation.
If someone comes up with something else, I'll applaud.
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
07 Jun 05:15 # Show original
@albinka_: You're not fucking crazy, are you going to tell me what I can write and what I can't? Who do you think you are?
I don't shut your mouth when you write absolute nonsense about structuralism and fundamentalism. Learn to accept a different opinion at least somehow.
You are also inattentive, from the beginning the person wished you all the bad things, and then I wrote - Well, are you completely peek-a-boo? You still wish for @MarkRaffer's death. " You've got it all wrong!

You made me angry. So, what is there about the children killed by Israeli troops, or are you not interested in it, is it different as usual? Now answer me, if you have a conscience?
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
07 Jun 06:00 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: That's the point, for sure a fucker is one of those who is fighting with you and who is harming you, under their nicknames. And, the task of the Fucker is only to shit, the Fucker is not capable of more, I'll tell you more, I'm sure that the Fucker will hurt me, even though it was originally sharpened for you.😃😃
EmilD
EmilD
07 Jun 06:52 #
@Пьяный_ёжик:
нихуя себе не доказали :D

Буквально привели кучу примеров, даже покопались в родном языке актера и привели пример оттуда, не доказали, ага, ему уже кучу людей написали, что он не прав и ни один человек не встал на его защиту, вас это не смущает?

Ну если не владеешь языком, чо лезешь то тогда в разговор? Вот сперва изучи этот вопрос, потом вставляй своим пять копеек, нефиг ему подлизывать (это тебе все равно ничего не даст :D)
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
07 Jun 07:51 # Show original
@albinka_: I didn'T ban you or ignore you... Maybe you've confused it with someone else?
moreover, I answer that and even like it sometimes.
EmilD
EmilD
07 Jun 09:05 #
@albinka_:
Максимальное уважение вам и вашим аргументам, только хочу вас огорчить, это все бесполезно, потому что, наверняка вы уже догадались сами, челу вообще пофиг на эти аргументы, им движет не логика, любой дурак уже давно бы понял, что он не не прав, а это все просто его шовинистические взгляды (от которых он до последнего будет отпираться, хех). Вы же увидели, что до Серши Ронан ему нет никакого дела, ибо она белая, поэтому пофиг чо там у нее с именем, а Шути чернокожий, плюс он выходец из африканской страны, а негоже негров уважать и их странные имена, если бы дело было не в этом, чел бы не загонял ни про равноправие, ни про толерантность, ни про уважение и не писал бы как оскорбление про тумбу-юмбу. Очевидно у чела какая-то ненависть к Шути (видимо он про него начитался что-то в этих наших интернетах), поэтому решил отыграться на неправильном написании его имени.
Ну что поделать, к сожалению такие люди существуют, но самое ироничное здесь это то, что он зритель сериала Доктор Кто (который про принятие и уважение и тд и тп), и смотря его он вообще не сделал никакие выводы. Как говорил один Доктор (не будь жестоким, будь добрым), это явно не про этого товарища.
albinka_
albinka_
07 Jun 11:55 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: You yourself once accused me of getting into arguments with my arrogant opinion everywhere. And now you got into this dispute without arguments about the subject of the dispute, but simply by twisting people's words.
Wishing "all the bad things" is usually diarrhea", not death. You wrote about death first and then repeatedly emphasized it. And this is obvious if you scroll up the dialog.

You yourself stressed several times that you had nothing to say on the subject of the dispute, but continued to write.
And who, in this case, "climbs" there, what is not rummaging at all?
Your own words: "Honestly, I'm not in the subject at all ", "I, of course, am familiar with English anyway, but enough Superficially, I do not speak English, so it is difficult for me (I cannot judge) what exactly you are right!" and after all this, you write: "@MarkRaffer sounds more logical" (what exactly is the great logic of his arguments, for some reason you did not specify this)


And about Israel, it is unclear why I have to answer you here, if there is not a political dispute, but a linguistic one.
And I have never written anywhere about anyone's murdered children, you came up with it yourself again and you are not arguing with me on this issue, but with your projection of my opinion. Why are you writing to me about conscience and about "this is different" if "there was no other "?
You seem to have some kind of fixation on death and murder.

Well, I understand that you probably feel much more confident in a political debate than in a linguistic dispute and think that this is where I can smear it, so you're trying to drag me into this field. I'm sorry, I'm not interested in arguing politics with you here.
albinka_
albinka_
07 Jun 11:56 # Show original
@MarkRaffer: It's just that I saw your profile before, and now it says that the user has hidden the profile. I drew conclusions from this)
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
07 Jun 14:53 # Show original
@EmilD: And I ask you, who are you to tell me what to do? Who do you think you are? Are you going to shut my mouth, or chop off my fingers so that I don't knock on the keyboard??
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
07 Jun 15:12 # Show original
@albinka_: Mdya, with a sense of self-importance, you are just too much, and you can't fix it. And she didn't say anything about the murdered children again, but this is already a trend. It means it's easy to yap about Russia, but you can't talk about Israel, there's a ban on it in the manual. Well, well.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
07 Jun 16:06 # Show original
@albinka_: I hid it for everyone except MY FRIENDS! it's not equal - blocked... this is the other thing. It's a kind of maishous mechanism... and so - yes, you can be added as friends.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
07 Jun 16:14 # Show original
@EmilD: booooooooooooo, what are you talking about? does it have to do with white or not? A lot of people have complaints about the same old and old Irish names, and I even posted a special video. And all from the fact that there are much more sounds than letters and with the help of 24 letters it is much harder to convey these very sounds without inventing a special character-letters, for example, Sh or Y, so some have to pile up everything using the same 24 Latin characters. The Poles are suffering a little bit with hissing about it.
And yes, I've been watching basketball, baseball or American football since the late 80s and I have no complaints about blacks... but what there are claims to is hypocrisy, and if I see one thing, and they try to sell it to me as another, although there are no formal reasons for selling it! Yes, I have indignation here. Ncuti is from the same row as Xí Jìnpíng (it sounds like a soup, although it is more suitable as Eleven).
albinka_
albinka_
07 Jun 16:52 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik: I didn't tell you what to do, I just noticed that you have no arguments in this dispute, because you came and clung to one particular phrase of a person based on what you came up with yourself (Mark himself didn't seem to be offended by this wish. But for some reason it hurt you. 1) it's more of a meme expression. 2) Bad is not equal to death, bad is any event from " a bird pooped from above " to " a coffee maker broke, you yourself were the first to come up with about death and wrote about it as many as 2 times, and only after that I answered you).
At the same time, you have no thoughts about the main subject of the dispute. You admitted it yourself. In my message, I only asked to give arguments in favor of one of the parties, and not just cling to words.

And I wouldn't have written to you at all if you hadn't once charged me for the impropriety of getting into arguments, and the fact that I turn out other people's words in the comments. This is exactly what you are doing - you took someone else's phrase, brought it to an extreme point, and then accused a person of it.
Or is it different? And personally, you can always and everywhere get in with your opinion, which is "without arguments" and "just like that", and also reinterpret other people's words. But when others "climb" into an argument, and giving adequate arguments - is this already "chsv"? :D
You will decide)

I was also accused of inattention, but it looks like you read my message inattentively. Or your message. I don't even know what exactly you misinterpreted anymore. But I clearly wrote that you were the first to use the word "death" regarding wishes, and then you were the one who emphasized it more than once. What am I wrong about?

And yes, you don't need to continue to show me that I want to chop off your fingers so that you don't write comments or accuse me of some other horrors. This was not in my words and was not even implied. You just bring other people's statements to the point of absurdity, and then argue with your own speculation. This is called apagogy.

EmilD
EmilD
07 Jun 17:04 #
@Пьяный_ёжик: да)
EmilD
EmilD
07 Jun 17:10 #
@MarkRaffer: так ты не школьник, значит, а дед? Ну это много объясняет (на самом деле нет).
Кто втюхивает интересно? Неужели актер пришел к тебе в дом и заставил силой называть его так? Если нет, то не тогда не понимаю.
В любом случае, ты нисколько меня не переубедил, а только подтвердил мои слова, спасибо)
Чучело-Мяучело
Чучело-Мяучело
07 Jun 17:35 # Show original
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MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
07 Jun 17:59 # Show original
@albinka_: as for me, I am a generous person, and I always wish in return everything that was wished for me, but in threefold, or even tenfold. I think that this approach is the most correct one... this at least makes others at least start thinking positively.
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
07 Jun 18:26 # Show original
@albinka_: You make excuses for a very long time and a lot, so you feel that you are wrong. If I were right, I would just write, "fuck off" and that was the end of it. An exorbitant number of unnecessary letters will not change the essence, unfortunately for you.

And, about the children killed by Israeli troops, she again kept silent, this is no longer a trend, this is already something more terrible.
albinka_
albinka_
07 Jun 18:44 # Show original
@Drunken_ezhik:
As a result, you have no arguments, it seems that you have already realized that you went somewhere wrong and you have nothing to present on the main topic of the dispute. If there were decent arguments, you wouldn't get personal and wouldn't translate the topic so hard.
And where I was wrong about my argument, or what exactly I was inattentive about, was never indicated. This is no longer a trend, this is some kind of mindless wobbling.

//I'm having a dialogue with you on your own principle.

Good luck to you)
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
07 Jun 19:34 # Show original
@albinka_: It is very convenient to tell a person that there are no arguments, without answering questions from this person??
I honestly admitted that I do not speak English and what? Shouldn't I have an opinion? In your collective (I emphasize, it is collective) fight against @MarkRaffer? He has logic in his statements, but you only have emotions, because you wrote it that way, said it that way, it means it's right that way. I
do not know how to do it, and I don't want to know anymore, but you are because of this to a stranger.You wish for all the bad things. What's wrong with your head? I repeat especially for you - "You wish him more death, just because he pronounces the actor's last name differently, as he was taught.

P.S. What about the dead children from the Israeli troops? Still ignoring it. Well, well.
Don't worry, I'll switch to structuralism and fundamentalism later, but that will be a little later.😃😉 There is knowledge of English, it does not matter.🤣🤣
Kamikoto_Akiyama
Kamikoto_Akiyama
02 Jun 14:10 # Show original
This is a pretty strong series and the ending is not ordinary
And for the first time I saw the Doctor give up because there is no point in sleeping those who refuse to be saved..
In fact, all he had to do was just walk away with everything going on in his mind
chapav
chapav
02 Jun 15:06 # Show original
The best episode so far this season. I would not say that it is my favorite, since the final message is not acceptable to me. They were offered help, they refused, well, figs with them - let them die. These are social calli who are not adapted to life without someone else's help and guidance. They couldn't find their way to the toilet without arrows a few hours ago.
It's a little annoying that they write about racism in the comments. In the community of the series, where they prefer not to see the skin color of the actors, they sharply counted the number of whites and pulled an owl on the globe. There is xenophobia here, brought up by the physical realization of the information bubble of the social network, and only within its framework there is a certain amount of racism. For this "community " The Doctor is an outsider, destroying their cozy world, a spammer, negative content that should be blocked. Ruby broke through the filters not because she is white, but because she introduced herself as the technical staff of their community.
This is what is valuable in this series: a person who is trapped in his bubble degenerates, which becomes unpleasant for AI, which is obliged to help him
id380835270
id380835270
02 Jun 16:28 # Show original
with each subsequent episode, I think more and more often "what the hell is going on?"
mv_stepanova22
mv_stepanova22
PRO
02 Jun 17:32 #
solaria88
solaria88
PRO
02 Jun 22:21 # Show original
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jenix
jenix
03 Jun 01:09 # Show original
The series are more and more abstract, and the endings are more and more open.
I'm afraid that in the end it will burst with the illumination of the great meanings of the entire arch of the season, that the brain will completely blow away.
But this particular series is completely twisted, caustic in all its manifestations.
But disgust is also an emotion. Why not add it to the piggy bank with the rest.
FairyDream
FairyDream
03 Jun 09:33 # Show original
In fact, after the main excitement subsided, quite a lot of questions remained from the series. And this is the peculiarity of the new RTD season (at least for now) - a lot of unfinished details are hidden behind the chic facade. Straight "Potemkin villages" from the scenario world. It is assumed that the viewer, who is passionate about the main plot, will unconditionally accept the given conditions, without going into details and conventions, and they are important, otherwise the rest of the plot will crumble, no matter how wonderful it may be.
For example, where and when does the action take place? On one of the human colonies? What century is it, what year is it? How does this society function at all? What kind of camp is this, where the rich send their children for 10 years, and most importantly, for what purpose? What does it give them all? An internship? Any experience? What kind of gap year is 10 years long? What happens when a person turns 28? Is he coming home? And what's next? What does he do for a living? How does it maintain the standard of living to which it is accustomed? How does he become a member of society if, having lived up to a quarter of a century, he is not familiar with tactile relationships?
Why would an AI grow larvae to kill users if the dot itself is able to handle it? Some kind of monster for the sake of a monster, and where did they even come from? How and why did the second planet die? If people on it also did not get out of the bubble, then how and at the expense of what everything existed there at all, and then what is the difference from the oasis to which children were sent?
iasra
iasra
03 Jun 09:55 #
@FairyDream: Хм, а что если поглощая людей, жрускницы производят ещё что-то нужное? Нужное для ИИ, корпорации что за него отвечает... Или гибридов каких-то. Поэтому и растят детишек на убой (которые не в курсе кто из родители) потом что-то ещё дорабатывают, что они там делали 2 часа в день, что пересушивало руки? Явно не обработка данных как они думали, потому что сто-бы они не делали, тут напрягаться должен был бы мозг, а они сидели в чате.
Кстати, тут может быть и объяснение расизма, может темнокожие не годятся для чего их там растят? Ген какой-то особый)
FairyDream
FairyDream
03 Jun 10:06 # Show original
@iasra: Well, it's not for the audience to figure it out! That's the point, the potential of the plot is huge, and everything is sketched in somehow too broad strokes... If in "73 yards" this "figure of silence" could still be attributed to the general atmosphere of the series - although many are still unhappy that there is no minimum justification - then here such indifference to details is not justified at all.
albinka_
albinka_
03 Jun 12:15 # Show original
@iasra: about "dry hands" - it was a jab towards "helpless majors", for whom even poking at the keys is a test. Like " would you try to do a normal job, and then look at your hands".
The world here is very conditional and schematic, purely for "basic scenery ", look for some deep hints and hidden subplots in it - most likely it is pointless to suffer spgs-om.
"Don't know who their parents are" - do you mean that they were implanted with memories of their lives before the age of 18? Because the heroine was well aware of her mother.
In general, if children were slaughtered, they would hardly be abruptly killed alphabetically at once, but would be removed one at a time, under the pretext that their parents took them home.- no one would be surprised in this world, and if you also say that it's because N became a poor man, the rest would only be glad that he was gone :D
Well, if they still have the day of the universal harvest and they need all the sacrifices at once - what then? To re-fill the world with new "lambs"?

By the way, your idea of a special gene for blacks, which makes them unsuitable for something that whites are suitable for, was once one of the foundations of racism and harsh condemnation of mixed marriages :D If if that was the case in the series, it would certainly have somehow fired more openly.
iasra
iasra
03 Jun 17:55 #
@albinka_: насчёт того что героиня прекрасно осведомлена кто ее мама. Так в роли голограммы матери показали судя по всему изображение ИИ, ту же что была "лицом" скорой.
Так что возникает вопрос, реальна ли она вообще.
Насчёт рук понятно что это был укол, но факт в том что они что-то там руками делали, сами не видя что, так как трепались по связи. И это что-то как побочный эффект, сушило руки. Может им через руки вводили какой-то препарат?
"Заново заполнять мир барашками" по видимому да, они свое предназначение выполнили, территорию очистили, новая партия на подходе) но это я так, строю догадки.

Вообще, эта идея с Твист напоминает сюжет "Злой волк". Может она смогла вмешаться и таким образом подаёт доктору и его спутникам сигнал?
albinka_
albinka_
03 Jun 19:04 # Show original
@iasra: They live in this world "from 18 to 28 years old" - they are sent there by parents who " can afford it", i.e. about their life before the age of 18 in another place, probably with their parents - they know and remember.
That's what I'm saying, if your theory were correct, then their whole life, which was up to the age of 18, would have to be uploaded to their brain as a false memory.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
03 Jun 10:03 # Show original
@FairyDream: the answer is simple - really a monster for the sake of a monster, well, didn't we want to read to you about moral racism? although if they hadn't told me, I wouldn't have seen it in a microscope... That's why eat what they give you, haha...
id150317179
id150317179
03 Jun 13:10 # Show original
Of course, I expected that the topic of racism would definitely be touched upon this season, but it came as a surprise to me that this was shown in the series not about some kind of the Middle Ages, but about a very progressive future. An interesting move, RTD!
It's even a little strange, considering that other forms of discrimination in that society have not been noticed, men with makeup and dressed quite femininely, that is, it seems that there is no homophobia or sexism there.

It seemed a little ridiculous the moment when the Doctor burst into tears at the end — well, not because of racism, after all? Half the universe tried to kill him, it's strange to get upset over such nonsense. And if because of the fact that these people will die, well, they have a chance to survive, there are just forests, not some kind of volcano vents. In general, in my opinion, they went a little too far with the drama.
Well, it also seemed to me that Ruby could stand up for the Doctor, otherwise she stands and remains silent while her friend is humiliated by people like her. It's not very nice of her.
mmyau
mmyau
03 Jun 16:41 # Show original
@id150317179: He was upset that he couldn't save them. "just forests" - what are the chances of survival in the forest for creatures that can't even walk? It's not like getting food, building a shelter, protecting yourself from animals and other dangers
id150317179
id150317179
04 Jun 01:23 # Show original
@mmyau: Well, I doubt that on other planets the Doctor would have found them a service staff who would lead them by the hand.
Of course, the conditions could have been better, but still, everything is not so terrible that you can just bury them.
mmyau
mmyau
04 Jun 16:57 # Show original
@id150317179: he says there in words in the series - if you go there, you will die
Пенгвин
Пенгвин
03 Jun 15:07 # Show original
And I have another question about this moment. When Lindsay was sitting at work and the Doctor told her to turn off the dot and look at the monster, why did the AI allow her to do this? Why didn't it program the nearest monster to attack her so she wouldn't escape? It was only when she realized that the AI was behind the murders that it attacked her.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
03 Jun 15:16 # Show original
@Pengwin: because the would-be screenwriters didn't even ask such questions... they had a plot in general and in general about racism, and everything else is just an addition and scenery in the background... Obviously, the life!
EmilD
EmilD
03 Jun 17:18 #
@Пенгвин: потому что ИИ убивало по алфавиту, и когда очередь дошла до Линди, ИИ решил ее убить, но она подставила Рикки, сказав что он фамилию поменял
RihterRed
RihterRed
03 Jun 23:20 # Show original
@EmilD: by the way, this moment bothered me. Isn't the local AI aware that a person has changed his last name, and he needs to be reminded of this?
OrangeElephant
OrangeElephant
04 Jun 11:22 #
@RihterRed: ну информация об этом есть, но при сортировке списка он ориентировался на актуальные имена
Например, я бухгалтер, работаю в 1С, там на странице сотрудника есть информация об истории изменения имени. Но если я просто открою общий список сотрудников по алфавиту, он же будет там под нынешним именем
RihterRed
RihterRed
04 Jun 20:11 # Show original
@OrangeElephant: It's logical, but... then there is the question of priorities when sorting AI. After all, he is primarily a machine intelligence, even if he is very well developed. That is, he deploys his database, sees people there, sees the history of changing their personal data and builds himself some kind of clear algorithm for devouring people. Yes, it's stuffy to talk, but at this point I always turn on distrust when the AI can be forced to change its algorithm, because well, the person changed his last name, I know.
iasra
iasra
05 Jun 08:12 #
@RihterRed: может ИИ все равно в каком порядке убивать, просто выбрал самый простой. Если бы напомнить фамилии на С по какой-то причине не убивали, тогда может ИИ и проигнорировал бы смену фамилии, а так, ну съедят его на пару дней позже, какая разница.
RihterRed
RihterRed
05 Jun 10:13 # Show original
@iasra: Maybe so. In the end, the whole batch happened because the AI just got tired of the chatter)
S1S13AF7
S1S13AF7
03 Jun 15:31 #
Я тоже в числе тех, кто из коментов узнал, что тут шото про расизм.

Ладно звонит тебе хз кто заблочила тут даже логично.
Ето нам с вами известно, что зря, а ей то нет.

Что все там "ходить неумеют" без "навигатора" ну тупо как-то да.

Чел твой кумир спасает тебе жизнь и такая а у него фамилия раньше моей.
Стоп что? Дура єто ладно но єто. мда.

С монстрами тоже неясно нифига.

ИИ заибалсо и решил всех убить тут допустим таких сюжетов куча когда ИИ по каким-то своим причинам (обьічно логичней чем просто надоело єто все) решает убить человеков сюжет не нов но зачем в алфавитном порядке и шо там по монстрам?

И в конце такие а уйдем в лес. ладно. идите.

Доктору сказали типа "тьі не из нашего (круга? мира? не помню)" ну не из их да. так єто тут про расизм? Я думал дело в том ну типа вот они все там себе тусовались онлайн и тут какой-то "чужак" и они таке да не. Но вели они все себя там странно. Пока он тебя не зарзил? Чем? (цветом кожи шоли?)
нихрена непонятно.
вот реально ответов нету.
крч серия не только странная (сказал тот кто посмотрел все прежние, агада) но и "лишняя" шоли? ну типа завезли б каких-то логики, сюжета, ответов?
даже в 73 ярдах логики больше (плюс после прочтения пояснения в TEAmTARDIS)
EmilD
EmilD
03 Jun 17:20 #
@S1S13AF7:
> Стоп что? Дура єто ладно но єто. мда.
В этом и суть на самом деле, что монстры не те существа, а люди, которые готовы подставить своих же, она даже в конце не раскаялась, и обманула, сказав, что Рикки пошел спать якобы остальных
A_lanister
A_lanister
PRO
04 Jun 17:52 # Show original
I looked at a new series of Black Mirrors. A very interesting series, right in one breath 😍🔥
andre5000
andre5000
04 Jun 20:30 # Show original
And there's only one question in my head: why do I have seconds from not being able to walk to wild jumps up the stairs?! Everything else is a perfect series of CHZ, as many have noticed. If, for example, September-Combs were running here instead of Doc, nothing would have changed - he is quite replaceable here, and this is sad, because the Doctor is the series, and not a guest star or cameo.
DoctorSong
DoctorSong
06 Jun 01:34 # Show original
Once again, the heroine found out that she was an orphan, being next to Ruby.

I also noticed a recurring age discrepancy this season.

In Dot and bubble, children under the age of 27 are sent to a children's camp, where they are taught to walk, they are told when to go to the toilet, and they are given the opportunity to make their first friends. Perhaps their life expectancy has increased, and by the age of 30 they are now just beginning their teenage period?

At 73 yards, 40-year-old Ruby hasn't changed much in appearance. And it is also interesting that she has aged by human standards, although it was mentioned in Boom that she is more than 3,000 years old.

In the same Boom, the girl was confusing, as if the age of the actress had missed.

You don't have to explain about Space babies😄
albinka_
albinka_
06 Jun 01:49 # Show original
@DoctorSong: In the Boom, most likely, the machine simply calculated the age by her date of birth, so it said that she was 3,000 years old.
This is if you are moved forward 100 years right now and forced to fill out a questionnaire on public services, it turns out that you are over 100 years old if you specify the real year of birth :D
shelgunov
shelgunov
06 Jun 14:32 # Show original
It's a strange thing. I watched the episode a couple of days ago, but I'm still thinking about it. In general, the plot is more of a Black Mirror than a Doctor. It's kind of hopeless. Earlier episodes were encouraging.
Kata_Rios
Kata_Rios
06 Jun 23:47 # Show original
The generation of lavender rafa :)))
I would like to see the continuation of the story: as they sail somewhere on their boat, they begin to settle down ... - and then conflicts, everyday difficulties, limited resources, wildlife. A thriller! A royal battle! The last hero! An interesting movie would come out :)
iasra
iasra
07 Jun 09:03 #
@Kata_Rios: но не долгий, в этом то и суть😂
mv_stepanova22
mv_stepanova22
PRO
07 Jun 09:39 #
id4092163
id4092163
07 Jun 10:12 # Show original
It really hit me that racism came from nowhere — from an advanced future) I was waiting for the Doctor to have problems on this ground in some historical episode, but there it is) After the fact, it becomes clear that there were plenty of hints of racial segregation, starting with the unwanted request. I suddenly remembered a series of Extreme Ghostbusters, where Garrett met an old friend who invited him to join a gang; at the same time, the friend reacted unfriendly to Roland, and the audience along with Garrett thought: well, this is because Roland is a nerd, but it turned out, It's a gang of skinheads)
Here's a twist in the spirit of "another artificial intelligence has developed and just decided to kill all people" seemed lazy to me. Although, maybe it wasn't worth overreacting here)
Pthah
Pthah
08 Jun 21:39 # Show original
An AI gone berserk on their planet - it's clear, but what to do with slugs on their home planet? Where are they from? What happens to people who are over 27? Where did all the supplies come from on the boat they were sailing on? If the slugs have penetrated from the outside, how do they escape from them by swimming straight back to where they came from?
As for racism, I actually took it at first as "Phew, get off me, you spammers"
KonstantinRomeow
KonstantinRomeow
08 Jun 23:08 #
@Pthah: на родной планете тоже были точки с пузырями, люди после 27 возвращались на родную планету, припасы притащили спасшиеся подростки (или они там были со времён когда город огораживали куполом), слизни однозначно не проникли извне а были созданы ИИ внутри города.
Dark_Punk
Dark_Punk
09 Jun 10:13 # Show original
This satire is so fat that no matter how far they are, the Daleks noticed it
Voider
Voider
10 Jun 02:00 # Show original
Of course, there are many questions for the series. Why did the all-seeing dot bother with the women when it was already hanging just in front of each of them's foreheads? Where did "the wives" come from in homeworld, so that they reset it? Why didn't Dot know Ricky September's name when the main character got this information from the bubble?
But despite these quibbles, the series keeps you on your toes, bravo RTD. And satire is a credit.
NaruHinka
NaruHinka
10 Jun 14:57 # Show original
@Voider: I think, before the doctor's words, the dot did not consider itself conscious enough to directly cause harm. In their native World, they also used bubbles, that's why these slugs are there. As for the name, there is a difference in just opening the list or studying each dossier in detail. But there are really a lot of questions about the villains, we just have to think about it.
driveshaft
driveshaft
PRO
10 Jun 16:02 # Show original
Some episode of Black Mirror, not Doctor Who. Before the end, the series was normal, but the ending was not appropriate. Although, in principle, it is not very clear to me how their world functioned, if she only gets up, and everyone is already made up and dressed in the chat. Who produces food, cleaning, do they eat at all? There are two wrong hills. No, well, really, there is only a dot from the technique, but everywhere is cleanliness and order, not specks of dust.

I was interested in the remark about the mother. Maybe this city is also connected to that gun corporation. Slugs are bioweapons.

Ricky September, although he looks not at 25, but at all 50, liked it. A smart, interesting, positive character and... he was killed. We could take a companion for one episode.

But the ending is completely out of place. That is, in the Beatles era, no one told the Doctor - hey, nigga, you see what kind of building you're going into, and here you're colored, know your place. Stupidly a subpoena for the sake of a subpoena. Although how they are going to survive is a question, behind the dome everything has long been overgrown and in ruins, and they do not have the skills.
Nadalz
Nadalz
14 Jun 18:19 # Show original
The only thing I don't understand is why sometimes wonderful and smart fans of this series feed trolls in the comments to some episodes. =) There are at least 40 posts for this one. =)
Takumikun
Takumikun
PRO
14 Jun 18:50 #
Зумеры...
Пьяный_ёжик
Пьяный_ёжик
14 Jun 22:30 # Show original
@Takumikun: Zoomers... It's affectionate! In fact, young morons!
D333
D333
17 Jun 01:33 # Show original
Lindy says that they fly to Slavnogorod from their homeland and there are no smelly old men there, only people from 17 to 27. Then the face of "mom" - whose is it? At 17, she should have remembered. Are these cosmo-babies grown up?
Until 17, Linda lived without a bubble, it turns out. And you forgot how to walk without him? It is doubtful, as well as how quickly she learned to run without him.
In short, the moment of upbringing before the age of 17 is not disclosed at all.
In general, the series is more of a parody of Generation Z (zoomers). A hint that most of their lives are wasted online, and their views are stitched together as the truth to an extreme degree of hostility and cynicism.
Darkes
Darkes
17 Jun 04:35 # Show original
@D333: At home, people can be of any age, and from 17 to 27 it is in slavnogorod. Mom stayed in her homeland, so there is no contradiction.
YellowMonster
YellowMonster
18 Jun 19:49 # Show original
It seemed to me, or at the end at the moment where they sail away, I heard literally a second reference to the song Wake up from the series The Rings of Akhaten (where the Doctor pushes the speech)
It's probably just an obvious harmony, but I want to believe that it's intentional...
Sh6tnik
Sh6tnik
18 Jun 23:03 # Show original
The series, in my opinion, is about the fact that the current generation of overeager kids who are buried in the phone, who probably won't be able to walk without prompts soon, for whom it's very difficult to work right now, may simply not come to work, or just leave in the middle of the day without an explanation. They do not respect their elders, and in fact they cook in their own world, and other people's advice that can save lives is perceived as an encroachment on personal space. You know, I don't feel sorry for people like in the series, except of course the guy who thought with his head and developed, and he was just leaked by this girl (la you're a rat).
Iradakzlv
Iradakzlv
Yesterday, 19:50 # Show original
How disgusting and stupid Lindsdy is. Ppc, that's the patience of Ruby and Doc. I would have sent it at the very beginning and let the slugs feast on it. I understand why the AI decided to rebel against this stupidity
Iradakzlv
Iradakzlv
Yesterday, 20:05 # Show original
The bitch took framed the guy who helped her. She was not worthy of salvation at all. She's terribly selfish.
alavitka
alavitka
Today, 04:57 #
А вот эта серия охрененно зашла! Прям мысленно апплодировала всю серию. Такая гипербола-сатира на цифровых сете-деток, просто по максимуму, даже ходить не умеют! А ведь это езда по навигатору...

Только когда клуша пожертвовала Рики, восторг сразу пропал. Вот не люблю, когда классных персов сливают сценаристы в угоду тому, чтобы просто prove a point.

А потом ещё оказалось, что то ли классовая, то ли расовая предубеждённость (на самом деле это неважно, принцип тот же) буквально мешает выжить... Нет, я догадываюсь, что Доктора выбесила именно тупость этого. Но ор и слюни??? А в конце вообще такой злой взгляд, будто Доктор и правда урождённый негр, хотя только что оплакивал этих недоумков (он же их оплакивал, не себя?)... Переигрыш КМК адский, вышибает из сюжета, как уже не в первый раз его эмоционирование гипертрофированное по каким-то поводам.

Но чего не отнять, так это драмы по взрослому с актуальной сатирой, снимаю шляпу перед РТД.
MarkRaffer
MarkRaffer
Today, 10:45 # Show original
@alavitka: Oh, if it were fresh, then we could agree with you... but this is so secondary and has already been done many times in other projects that it is not a hyperbole-satire, but a fierce kringe!
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