s01e07 — The Legend of Ruby Sunday

15 Jun 02:47 #

it could be a good two-part series, if not
1) Twitter guessed about the main villain of the season somewhere in the middle
2) a script that seemed to come from the pen of Chibnell

to stuff a ton of characters and not be able to steer them, to arrange some kind of hodgepodge team - I'm sorry, but we had enough of this at Chibnell.
Rose is superfluous, Morris is superfluous (vlinks would have done fine), Harriet could have been casually pushed in later, literally before reveal. Or show them with flashbacks.

In short, very strange decisions ruined a potentially good first part of the two-part series. Now we have to wait another week.

schqual

15 Jun 03:14 #

@NebSehemvi: I agree. I used to sit at the two-part finales at the end of the first part with a fucking look. And then the whole episode was awesome to watch and at the end somehow "eeeee this is our "villain"?". There was no escalation of the threat, and the line with Ruby's mother looks like a secondary one, although I know that in the next episode everything will be connected somehow, but I personally was not interested in the series thinking how is it all connected?"

cyberslovani

15 Jun 03:16 #

God, yes, they let on such a drama, but I was not surprised at all from the villain, and the plot with the mother does not fit at all, although at the end of the first part they should have connected somehow, as a result, this plot with the mother seems superfluous

cherik-cherik

15 Jun 12:50 #

@NebSehemvi: guessing in the middle is cool, it means that the story arc exists, and the villains of the end of the season do not come from nowhere. Twitter as a whole cannot be beaten if you give at least some real hints, because there people discuss the series and come to conclusions through the efforts of the entire fandom. it is unrealistic for an ordinary viewer to notice all the clues during normal viewing

15 Jun 13:29 #

@cherik-cherik: yes, the first point is, in general, a trifle against the background of the second.

pavel9609

18 Jun 18:09 #

@NebSehemvi:
1) It's easy to talk when the twist is already known. And then there were assumptions
2) In season 8, the fact that the main villain Master realized almost immediately - did this make the season bad? No.

About the characters. I have a feeling that this has touched off a spin-off. Besides, we have at least 2 episodes waiting for us. I don't understand where they put the last scientific consultant just.

OrangeElephant

18 Jun 21:20 #

@pavel9609: In an interview, RTD said that she went to Geneva, they just didn't say it in the series. As it is, she will appear again next season. Most likely, the schedules simply did not match with the actress

pavel9609

18 Jun 23:55 #

@OrangeElephant: понял, спасибо

cyberslovani

15 Jun 03:13 #

mixed feelings, I expected more from this series, but here the drama is on the drama and in the end it's kind of weak, with the doctor and the companion and the fact that the unit is developing it really comes to me, but the plot is meh

15 Jun 03:48 #

Personally, I enjoyed watching it. It is clear that the Rose was stuffed for a fanservice, but damn - the whole episode is flirting with fans who were building theories about the TARDIS anagram, about the fact that Susan Triad is Susan Foreman, about the fact that the character Harriet without a surname in the cast list is Harriet Arbinger like Henry Arbinger from "Devil's Chord" and about the fact that Susan Triad Techology is Su-Tech, Sutekh.
For a complete fanservice, it was not enough only that instead of Maurice there was someone from the previously announced scientific advisers of the UNIT - Shirley, Osgood or Malcolm.

I began to get goosebumps starting with Mrs. Flood's frightening refusal to serve Cherry a cup of tea, then even more so from the death of Officer Chidozi, and finally so in general. Once again, there is a feeling of a powerful, grandiose and epic ending to Doctor Who, as in childhood.
Of course, there is still a whole episode ahead, but I'm already sure that this will be the best season finale since "May our Lives be Eternal / The Fall of the Doctor" (forgive me Chris Chibnell, but "Timeless Children", "The Battle for Ranscore Av Kolos" and the sixth part of Flax - well, such finales, let's be honest). And if it weren't for the magnificent finale of the tenth season, then perhaps this season's finale would have been the best since "Stolen Earth / The end of the journey", because I don't know how anyone, but I have questions and complaints about "Pandorica opens / Big Bang", and "River Song Wedding", and "The Name of the Doctor", and especially to "Dark Waters / Death in Heaven", and to "With diabolical tenacity" (if it is considered separately from "Behold the Raven" and "Sent Down from heaven")

15 Jun 03:48 #

For me, the only disadvantage of watching it was that I am not familiar with the classics, and therefore Su-Tech for me is just one of the two villains in a helmet that I saw in the pictures when I read diagonally the essence of the adventures of Doctors from the First to the Seventh (Omega has an orange helmet, and Su-Tech has a black one). On the other hand, there is still a whole episode ahead to reveal this classic villain to me in the same way that "Chuckle" revealed the Toymaker, and probably the fact that Russell T. Davis makes you think about watching classics over and over again is more good than bad.

16 Jun 19:25 #

@KonstantinRomeow: The toyboy in the classics is not so interesting and lively. Plus, these series have been preserved only in the form of slideshows, so it is problematic to evaluate the games themselves.

keyo1sha

16 Jun 16:03 #

@KonstantinRomeow: I didn't notice, but where did they put Rose?

marirable

16 Jun 19:33 #

@keyo1sha: Rose is here, Donna's daughter, she's in unit with Ruby.

16 Jun 19:24 #

@KonstantinRomeow: Osgood can't, maybe it's a Zygon.

NaruHinka

15 Jun 08:07 #

So people have read all sorts of theories and are dissatisfied with the result? Well, you should have assumed something else yourself... It's strange in general, if you want to be surprised, read everything in a row. And then, by the way, Russell pretty well fucked up all the theories that lay on the surface.
I liked the series, it's not super-duper - in fact, it's a seed for the finale, but the suspense caught up well. All the scenes in the time window are in terrible tension, the intrigue with Ruby's mom is good, everything turned out terribly with Susan Triad too. Kate is poor on her nerves the whole series, nothing is clear, but everything is in danger. Rosa and Carla are really superfluous, but they will probably play some role in the next episode. In general, it is not even clear how to defeat the god of death. How do you defeat the gods, damn it? They somehow defeated the toymaker there, and that he and the maestro had not such serious powers. Well, Mrs. Flood atas, for a short scene she gave out a real gloomy man with her "you won't wait for tea".

15 Jun 09:48 #

@NaruHinka: let's just say that among the theories that flashed, there were more interesting ones.

And Sutekh, according to the classics, was not a god at all.

Nog

15 Jun 10:58 #

@NaruHinka: So far, apparently, the only way is to imprison God somewhere where he cannot use his powers. Sutekh, as I understood it, was also imprisoned somewhere in the classics, but now he somehow got out. Obviously, we need to come up with a new method)

JaneWatson

15 Jun 14:35 #

Hey, I'm the kind of person who doesn't read theory at all, but just watches a TV series. And you're saying that I should be happy, even if I didn't like the episode? Well, such a thing

NaruHinka

16 Jun 16:51 #

@JaneWatson: Why, you might not like the series, everyone has their own preferences. It's just the first comment under the episode with the claim that the villain is obvious, because they say someone already guessed it before.

18 Jun 01:46 #

@NaruHinka: yes, because it says only about this and does not give a detailed comment about another obvious big problem

Amyinthetardis

15 Jun 11:04 #

For someone who hasn't watched the classics, the series finale is weak. Like, well, God and what? And what exactly is his problem with the Doctor? We are all dying, why would the god of death kill people who will die anyway.
The line with Ruby's mom is very interesting, I hope it's not going to be very easy to merge. But Ruby seems to be kind of superfluous the whole series, despite the big mystery around her. Why didn't the Doctor run with her to get the tape? Why did the other companion go with him to investigate who Susan was. Yes, the plot explains it, but it feels like the Doctor doesn't usually do that.
A fun game with fan theories, almost like it turned out in Sherlock.
I'm just missing some kind of a streak in the Doctor this season. "I know everything, I'll decide everything now, I'm a Doctor." As a result, we look at his beating of elevators when he can't get himself together, although he initially positioned himself as a wildly worked-out character.
In general, I really hope that the second part will be some kind of crazy to compensate for the weakness of this one

Diletant

15 Jun 12:43 #

I didn't like it. First of all, it's too long for the finale. That's why it was necessary to go for the tape to bring my mother to the unit so that then just send her? It didn't affect the plot at all. Secondly, the scenes are very slow. In the simulation, they struck like an eternity. Thirdly, half of the characters are simply not needed, they just run around as if creating a fuss. Well, damn, there are a lot of old people now. Is this a new part of diversity? Well, the main thing is the villain. I was expecting another one of the strange entities of the toyboy or maestro level, and here is some boring dude from Egyptian mythology who just kills with a touch. This is a step back. Also, the whole first part is strange. How did they connect the doctor's alleged granddaughter and Sunday's parentage? Just because? Just laugh at the fan theories? It turned out to be stupid and not interesting

Darzik

16 Jun 10:38 #

Perhaps in the final, mom will need to log into the unit, and now she has access - in this series they organized

19 Jun 23:46 #

@Diletant: mom was taken away to leave grandma with a creepy lady and no tea)
Well, it really was a creep moment)

PlanePassenger

13 Aug 12:53 #

@albinka_: I was still waiting for the villainous laughter into the camera at the end of the scene)

15 Jun 12:51 #

I won't say that this is the best episode of the season, but I definitely got a portion of pleasure.
I liked this oppressive feeling of the coming cunt and even the hodgepodge of characters did not bother me. But then again, Carla was clearly needed here for Ruby, so there are zero complaints here at all, but it's unclear about Rose, but if she ties some kind of Doctor to 14, then it will be fun.
Regarding Sutekh, I saw all the assumptions, and it was funny to see how they started, literally started with small crumbs and began to grow into a tangle over time, so at least this time all the fan assumptions did not turn out to be bullshit :D
I hope RTD will be able to finish the story normally, otherwise it will be necessary to sort out a lot of everything.

cherik-cherik

15 Jun 12:57 #

and then they will somehow return to Susan, the granddaughter, or if it's not her, then it doesn't matter that he left her somewhere? It will be funny (no)

I liked the theory that the doctor is the lost god of life from the pantheon, it would be cool if it turned out to be true, and he would be the opposite of Sutekh. although it seems that it is already planned here that this Ruby will be the daughter of one of the gods

PlanePassenger

13 Aug 12:55 #

@cherik-cherik: Sutekh is the father, the Doctor is the mother, Ruby is the daughter)

krankie

15 Jun 12:58 #

it feels like I watched the crossover of the Doctor series with the yet-to-be-released spin-off about UNIT, because well, a lot of focus was paid to Vlinks, Morris (where did Shirley go, by the way??), Colonel Ibrahim and other guys whom we really or don't know yet. Against their background, Ruby's role as a companion aka the main assistant to the Doctor was completely lost:(

(well, I also have a question, how did Donna (and her mother, most importantly) let Rose go alone to the UNIT, knowing how much hell is going on per square meter in the universe)

For me, the best moment of the episode is still the scene with Mrs. Flood. I immediately remembered all the theories that the plot with Susan Triad only distracts us from another evil granny, who was saved for the second season :D but I hope that we will put all the points with her in this too

and so finally the season finale is intriguing again (I haven't noticed this since the Capaldi era) and interesting cross-cutting themes have reappeared in the series, for which I want to wake up early to watch a new series faster and confirm/refute my theories. RTD, don't let me down!

dmitryveliky

15 Jun 14:35 #

@krankie: And why did Donna let go alone? She works there too. And Rose herself said that she was not given a normal job. Specifically, she was alone in these scenes, yes, but Donna can't follow her 24 by 7, that would also be strange.

krankie

15 Jun 15:20 #

@dmitryveliky: I agree and only for giving her more freedom, but it's still a discrepancy for me personally. After all, this is not an ordinary incident with which the UNIT works 24/7, but an event with the intervention of a Doctor, which is always fraught with big problems, I rather meant it in my comment

Little_Squirrel

15 Jun 23:34 #

@krankie: Shirley is on a business trip to Geneva, but so far they have only said this behind the scenes, in some kind of interview. Maybe they'll mention her in the next episode?

15 Jun 13:19 #

OK, I watched the classics and the Sutekh series more or less remember, but I didn't expect to see him here, to be honest.

I wonder why he decided to settle accounts with the Doctor again right now?

About Ruby and her mom... it's clear that there is some kind of mystery here, but, after all, Doc scanned Ruby at the end of the "Cosmodets" and the scan showed that she was human.…

Carla's presence in the UNIT also didn't really understand what was needed.…

The neighbor is not a simple granny, by the way, either.

OrangeElephant

15 Jun 13:26 #

@id264460076: Well, Susan has also just been scanned and shown that she is human. Scans are a fickle thing

15 Jun 13:34 #

That's also true…

Бранд

15 Jun 17:24 #

@id264460076: they even specifically mentioned that there is a pupal stage - when it is still unclear whether this is an ordinary person (before the first transformation) or not. I hope so in all suspected cases :)

15 Jun 14:04 #

Tax...I always rate parts of two episodes after watching the second one, so I won't rate it yet, but I really liked the series. It intrigued me very well and the funniest thing is that when I thought about the arch myself, I came to the conclusion that maybe the grandmother is Susan (the same one), that the name of the office is the TARDIS, etc. and so on, and RTD took these assumptions of mine showed that these are the most obvious assumptions and trampled on giving out the classics as a result! Rush. A couple of years ago, I already reviewed all the classics and in general I have fresh memories of the era of the Fourth, but still I think it would be necessary to review the Sutekh series during the week.
I don't read ex-Tweeters and that's why the theorists didn't spoil anything for me. But I don't understand why some people who have read the theories stopped the series...On the contrary, isn't it a plus if the screenwriter specifically leaves a bunch of small hints that work?

JaneWatson

15 Jun 14:33 #

I have not read any assumptions and in general I approach the series with a "clean" head, which is why I am free from any speculation. And I didn't like the feeling that the actors felt superfluous in this scenario. If this is a pilot for a spin-off about Unit, OK, cool. Some kind of Americanization, I have nothing against Americans, but for a doctor it's not very good for me. I admire the way the character's Jokes feel, Millie is a good girl. And the scenario is very weak

Meerjungfrau666

15 Jun 14:55 #

The series has mixed impressions.

From the cool: the episode with Mrs. Sunday and the response to her request, Actress Flood famously inflated the atmosphere. Suzanne had the gait of Angela Merkel, ahah, smiled)

I didn't like that they combined all the theories at once, all the plots at once. As a result, the story with Ruby's mom got lost, they mixed up both the Tardis, and the UNIT, and Susan, a lot of unnecessary drama (with the same dead general from the UNIT), mixed a bunch of cool characters at one time in one place, a prolonged time window (the Winx simulation room???), Sutekh was not impressed at all, at all this Egyptian theme in the pantheon of gods is very different from the same Toymaker and Maestro, imho, a little weak.

But I really liked Mel and Jokey in this episode! Charming)

Maybe_Karl

15 Jun 15:17 #

I haven't seen any spoilers, I haven't mastered the classics. at the end of the series, I was sitting with the maximum stone cast, not understanding at all what had happened :-|

as a person who likes when sayfai and science are thrust into fantasy settings with elves and magic, I don't really like turns when gods, magic, that's all are crammed into sayfai. the only place where inexplicable crap comes to me is in horror, but it's not horror either, so it didn't go at all.
I only liked the creep moment with Mrs. Flood.
I will not put an assessment yet either, let's see what happens in the final.

I'll go at least look at memasics in tumblr in search of serotonin, because the series didn't give me a drop of it._.

19 Jun 23:53 #

@Maybe_Karl: in theory, all human gods can just be powerful aliens with a huge ego)

apb48

15 Jun 16:25 #

We will draw conclusions in a week, after the second part. At the moment, a lot of things have been written, they will write even more, fortunately there is time for reflection.

P.S. - First you got a granddaughter, and then a daughter? 😕🤔

If you forget for a moment that you are watching the Doctor Who series, then the question that was asked is extremely interesting, but introduces a slight stupor. Approximately the same condition was when watching the 3rd season of Umbrella Academy. There was a question – Who gave birth to the cube (Christopher)??? 😃🤔

Ianthinus

15 Jun 17:00 #

@apb48: after this phrase, I started to explain that Susan (who is a granddaughter) is Jane's daughter (who is a clone daughter of the Tenth), but she couldn't tell the First One about it, because he shouldn't know in advance what
will happen. P.S. I just really want to see Georgia Tennant in the new seasons, yes.

15 Jun 21:01 #

I thought the same thing when there was this dialogue in the series.

15 Jun 18:08 #

@apb48: the main thing is not to do as with Elizabeth and Charlotte from the Darkness :D

Alona

17 Jun 15:05 #

@Takumikun: yeees. When they watched the video from the camera, I even thought that maybe it was Ruby herself who was carrying herself to the church

19 Jun 15:12 #

So it seems like you can't touch yourself. Rose was touched in the first season and the consequences were not very good.

20 Jun 02:26 #

@Gloomy_Rave: you can touch yourself, the Doctor did it in jubilee haste, and the Master in "The Fall of the Doctor", and Amy Pond in "The Big Bang" and "The Girl who Waited", and even Sadrik Kazran in "A Christmas Carol".

The case of Rose in Father's Day was special because there was a three-step paradox, the fabric of space-time was torn apart and rippers appeared.

Красногвардеец

15 Jun 19:57 #

I don't like this ship! I don't like this team! What? Yes! I don't like anything at all!@

So I watched the classics. It's long, boring, made of shit and sticks, but... It's a thrill. Whatever Doctor you take, everyone has a zest, a crazy one. And a hard core inside. He is a time lord who saves stupid people from a host of villains.

The relaunched series is the fire itself. Grandiose plot twists, unpredictable reptiles from the biblical horned honeycomb to live pieces of soap. The doctor saves the Holo Library, the Earth, and now he is truly friends with his companions, and when he falls in love, he is ready to tear up space and time for them like an ace in a hot water bottle. And his friends are also ready to break into a million pieces for him, just to be with him. (A sea of nostalgic tears)...

And then something broke. And instead of the Doctor, a speed-addled fool appeared. Either I've aged dramatically, or instead of a time lord, we've been given a drug addict who's buggy about adventures. As dumb and buggy as she is. Well, OK, and an old woman can have a hole, I decided. According to the collapse of ratings, they will draw conclusions and correct themselves...

Yeah, right now! Did they beat this cute fuck up with a volume of Dostoevsky?! Sometimes he grins like a moron, then the creature is trembling. Babies, racists, homosexuals.
In short, if this slob in the last episode does not remember that he will not pass from the glamorous club, but the time lord, the sword and the flame of the universe and will not melt the stupid sand dog on glass along with half the galaxy...

GamoriC

15 Jun 20:57 #

@Krasnogvardeets: It's a bit harsh, of course, but how do I agree... I'm reviewing the classics for the 2nd time, I've already watched the rebut 3 times, and I hope to forget this one like a terrible dream.

Now it's just sur, the series are all kind of neutered, like you're watching, something happens and suddenly the end. The doctor himself is inadequate in the bad sense of the word, as if he does not know how to use emotions. Running, screaming, crying. The actor played in "sex education ", and continues to play here, spitting on the character and his story. The best episode this season is 73 yards, where there is nothing abnormal and at least something interesting is happening, although the episode itself, again, is neutered and worthless.

I don't completely agree with Whittaker. Personally, I see her as a Doctor, a good actress who could take out. But the screenwriters should be tortured for what they did to her...

Красногвардеец

15 Jun 23:35 #

@GamoriC: I completely agree with you. I have zero questions for Whittaker herself. If you were forced, then you played it. I even suspect that she was badly beaten to play the fool. There was a complete failure with the script. First of all, well, the Doctor became a woman. And sho?! Why?! Where and when did it shoot out plot-wise? Nowhere. Here's Missy, that was a fire woman. Feminine charm and pranks. And this is some kind of stoned schmuck.

Maura_Isles

19 Jun 13:43 #

@Krasnogvardeets: You're so finished....

19 Jun 20:06 #

@Maura_Isles: It's a bit harsh, of course, but how do I agree...

alavitka

12 Jul 22:46 #

@Krasnogvardeets: Maybe I wouldn't speak so sharply, but in general, I'm with you too. Either we have aged, or the soul has been taken out of the Doctor. Although... Isn't this always the case when the ideology of society begins to dominate the idea of a work?

Jeronimoo

15 Jun 20:04 #

Honestly, I don't even know what to say, there are so many riddles and questions!I didn't even want to watch one episode at once, since it's a two-part series, so as not to suffer, but somehow I couldn't stand it...First of all, I'm very glad Kate Sturt, I adore her, well, she's so beautiful and these conversations about her past, about her father, it's so touching..Gemma is a great actress and so beautiful!"From the beginning you got a granddaughter, and then a daughter"- it's just THE BEST ahaha!In general, there was a hope that Susan was alive, now I don't know, I still hope that she is definitely there somewhere and someday they will meet, she can also regenerate, it's not just that she is remembered not for the first time! And I'm very glad MALL loved her very much in old school and is also beautiful now!Even at first I was glad that maybe this woman Susan is really his granddaughter, but as I understood it, it doesn't seem to be, i.e. this stuff around the tardis has been constantly for all 19 years and it's connected with Ruby definitely, who is her mom interested in this question all season?And this God of all Gods or SUTEKH/SETH is an ancient Egyptian god, I know there is something connected with wars and death and chaos, like everyone was afraid of him in mythology and even the pharaohs, this is an interesting move of course and really something new, they are intrigued by how they will fight him, I hope it will work!I even remembered the era of 13 and Flux, he also destroyed everything he touched and half of the universes disappeared because of him, I think they were inspired by the era of Jody maybe) in short, everything is very strange and scary, as if to wait...Before this god Seth from Susan appeared, I thought here that it might be Valeyard, who watched old school remembers, I thought that that TARDIS from 2004 might be his ship, the evil half of the Doctor, I don't know there was such a thought it would be fun, but apparently not..

15 Jun 23:07 #

@Jeronimoo: Well, Sutekh was already in Doctor Who if anything. They won once and they will win again...ehhh, but Sutekh, having admitted his defeat, promised not to touch and leave the Earth if the Doc let him go, but now he has apparently returned and is very angry at the people and the Doctor

Lefkadia

17 Jun 12:11 #

@Takumikun: If it's not difficult, for those who are not familiar with the classics, tell us why he was angry at people and the Doctor? Why kill those who will die anyway?

17 Jun 12:35 #

@Lefkadia: Well, it's obvious to the Doctor, because he defeated him and locked him in the corridors of time for 7000 years, and it was believed that he aged him to death. In short, the Doctor annoyed him a lot. At the end of the series, he begged the Doctor to pull him out and for this he would allegedly leave the earth and not touch the people, but the Doctor did not agree and now Sutekh has returned to take revenge on both the Doctor and the people

snorkelle

15 Jun 21:08 #

I read the comments... and it's so good that I don't have the time/desire to be a fan who manages to review a million episodes of "classics" and reread a million theories, arguments, guesses in all social networks around the world. I just watch the Doctor Who series, enjoy and get high, worry and nervous, laugh and cry. The series is gorgeous! In suspense from beginning to end, and this is not the end! "Finished in the most interesting place" 😄 I will look forward to the next one, because it's so interesting who Ruby's mom is, why it's snowing all the time, how to defeat the parasite God (look, stuck to my beloved Tardis, and she didn't even make a sound), how the Doctor will cope with all the new problems and riddles. Ooh, I love it! Since the 11th, there has not been such interest and delight from the Doctor (well, OK, the 12th had several interesting episodes). It's great that RTD has returned and brought back the adventures of the Doctor, which give us goosebumps and a chill down our spine!

vereliovoli

18 Jun 01:19 #

Hooray, at least someone is relatable. I already thought there was something wrong with me. I have goosebumps too!!

Шпрот

15 Jun 23:30 #

I don't even know what emotions this episode caused. It seems like a bunch of characters, the chemistry between the Doctor and Ruby, the Doctor and Kate, the Doctor and Mel, an oppressive atmosphere, an unexpected ending and the return of the villain from the classics, but there is a feeling of speed and boredom at the same time. So much has been mixed, it would seem that it should be good, but it turns out badly. I hope that in the last episode we will get answers to the questions and I will be able to decide whether I like the ending or not. But Jokey's answering jaw at the end scares and makes you laugh. It is clear that he wanted to show surprise, but this slack jaw for 5 minutes causes laughter. It feels like he's having a spasm or stroke *sorry*

16 Jun 15:21 #

@Sprat:
But Jokey's answering jaw at the end scares and makes you laugh.
These are more questions for the director, in my opinion, in general it seemed to me that the director was weak

Fungi_master

16 Jun 00:47 #

Yes, there are too many characters. Yes, this is the most Chibnellian RTD scenario. But how tense I was the whole episode, and how many emotions I got in the last five minutes...

16 Jun 15:20 #

@vk188829: in my opinion, unlike Chibnell, the characters here are at least memorable and they do something (except for Rose, who is generally unclear why), Morris, Colonel Chidozi, Mel, Harriet, that is, they do not just all go to the Doctor and say lines that do not affect anything

merlott

17 Jun 08:59 #

@EmilD: Rose needs everyone to tell her/him/them that she/he/They are beautiful.

16 Jun 01:05 #

NA-DO-LI!!!

Juullietta

16 Jun 01:43 #

The series is full of action, kept all the time in suspense and worries. Very interesting what will be the continuation, well wait for us now 😍

MariaDemidova

16 Jun 01:53 #

What a stuffy place in the comments.
I don't like it, I don't like it.
Can you stop reading a billion theories before the series is released? Maybe leave everything, I don't know, to the screenwriters?
And if there had been a turn that no one had guessed, then they would have started to stink, saying that this was an illogical turn.

In general, the cannon series. I like everything. I want more

vkontaktesider

16 Jun 07:04 #

@MariaDemidova: You can't say it better. :)

pinta_vodki

16 Jun 03:28 #

It always makes you laugh when you watch Doctor Who, and then something comes out like, "THIS IS SUTEKH." And you're sitting there thinking, "Okay, this is probably someone from the ancient, ancient series, and I should be impressed right now." 😅

16 Jun 10:53 #

@pinta_vodki: the fact that Se-Tech is still okay... How did he end up in the Tardis range? After all, this is IMPOSSIBLE and a PROTECTIVE field was originally laid there, as was repeatedly mentioned earlier.

16 Jun 10:59 #

@pinta_vodki: Well, we, fans familiar with the classics, were really impressed... Especially this time with Sutekh because he is a very memorable villain from the most memorable era of the classic series...in fact, if you translate it into the language of new school students, then this is something on an equal footing if the Evil Wolf or your Nerad were returned.

Jeronimoo

16 Jun 14:20 #

@pinta_vodki: as far as I remember from the classics, he promised to leave forever, I admit why he broke his promise, but of course it's a shock for sure!I just remembered that the Tardis made strange noises in episode 2 (chord) when they arrived in 1963, and in episode 6 there were also the same sounds when Doc and Rogue entered the Tardis, maybe it really was because of Sutekh...

16 Jun 15:32 #

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16 Jun 15:33 #

And that sound was also in the second shot with Tennant.

Darkes

16 Jun 07:35 #

Mixed impressions of the series. It seems there are interesting moments, but she's kind of fussy, or something. It is also very noticeable how short this season is. There are just not enough episodes in which we would see the various adventures of the Doctor. It seems that we have just swung, and already the grand finale. Because of this, there is no special epicness, despite the fact that so much is being pumped up.

16 Jun 15:16 #

@Darkes: Yes, it's just that there was almost no Doctor in two episodes, it's very striking. But yes, 8 episodes are very few, at least 10

Leonius

16 Jun 12:06 #

And it was such a cool start.
And then...in general, the porridge is incomprehensible.
Why all this nonsense about investigating Ruby's mother RIGHT NOW?
They stuffed two different stories into one.
It turned out to be a game.

It's a good move with my granddaughter, it's a pity that, apparently, I missed it.... That would be cool.

In general, it is unclear how they will explain the absence of Donna and the 14th in the UNIT all the time now?
But there will be a separate series, it seems.

Jeronimoo

16 Jun 14:23 #

@Leonius: wow cool, I haven't heard about it, something like a spin-off about Unit means, well, even if there won't be 14, then Catherine definitely should be with her daughter and Kate, of course, Donna was mentioned for a reason, I would really like to see her in the Unit team 😍

16 Jun 15:16 #

@Leonius:
Why all this nonsense about investigating Ruby's mother RIGHT NOW?
And why not? If there is such a possibility? Only just because they looked into the past and the fuss with Sutekh began

16 Jun 14:33 #

A gorgeous series. I liked how everyone was tricked with an anagram who managed to read the character's name in the credits. It's a pity that Granny was only shown twice in the series, and not as many times as the Doctor mentioned.

Morris is good. I've been creating such tension all series. I hope he will appear in future episodes about UNIT.

I was amused by how the Doctor mocked UNIT. I gave a pass to my mom, I burned that they were experimenting with time. The President of the Earth after all.

Granny Sunday still won't drink tea. The most exciting arch. Maybe Mrs. Fudd is also a harbinger?

Susan would like to see it again. And since you mentioned that the Doctor does not have children, although there is a daughter, I would like to explain this misunderstanding.

I hope Sutekh doesn't kill any of the important characters. Otherwise, the ending will be extremely gloomy.

16 Jun 14:41 #

@driveshaft: tell me, what is Morris good at and what is the point of this character in general? I don't know - it hurts me to look at a disabled boy.

16 Jun 16:36 #

@MarkRaffer: Why is he disabled? He immediately said that he was a little prodigy, and everyone relied on him for the whole series. And he successfully maintained the tension with his calculation of trap probabilities. Yes, it looks strange that he is moving on a segway. But it's still better than the lady in the wheelchair, which UNIT didn't think to make flying.

Nog

16 Jun 19:03 #

@driveshaft: he's a child prodigy, but it seems like he shouldn't be so small, he seemed to say that he was 13 years old, but somehow he doesn't look like a teenager. Closer to the children from the first episode of the season, rather.

16 Jun 19:22 #

@Nog: The actor is 15 years old. He played an adult child quite convincingly.

16 Jun 19:22 #

@driveshaft: A disabled person is an ACTOR... he has a disease that does not allow his body to grow and he will remain a dwarf. Such a potential Peter Dinklage in the future, but I repeat once again - it personally hurts me to look at it and I feel endless sympathy for him.

16 Jun 15:28 #

This was shown to Mrs. Flood twice. And Susan was in the episodes "Blue Distance", "Church on Ruby Road", "Space Rockets", "Devil's Chord", "Boom", "73 yards", "Dot and Bubble". In the last episode, there was only a portrait of her.

16 Jun 15:29 #

@driveshaft: if by "granny" you mean Susan Twist, then she was shown 7 times in the series - in "Wild Blue Distance" she was Isaac Newton's maid, in "Church on Ruby Road" she was at the club where Ruby played the keys and ordered a song when the goblins turned off the instruments, in "Space Kids"she was one of the retired crew members, in the Devil's Chord she worked in the canteen at the recording studio and served the Doctor and Ruby glasses of tea, in Boom she was the interface of the ambulance, in 73 Yards she walked on rocks with sticks and was the first to talk to the mysterious woman who was stalking Ruby In "Dot and Bubble" she was the mother of the main character of the episode, in "The Tramp" she was the portrait of the count's mother on the wall. Three more new personalities have been added here - two aliens (Slugmu and Griffin) and the multi-billionaire IT genius Susan Triad.

16 Jun 16:38 #

@KonstantinRomeow: Thanks for the clarification, I remember only the ambulance and the mother. They only mentioned the portrait in this one, so I wouldn't have noticed. I would like to see about two aliens, like a lost series. Although, maybe it's reserved for books or audio dramas.

16 Jun 19:53 #

dvb030736

17 Jun 14:01 #

@EmilD: Theresa May was recently Prime Minister, and she waved her arms in the same way.She finished really badly, but not as badly as this character. I think that this moment was written off from her and inserted into the series.

17 Jun 14:20 #

@dvb030736: well, it's really a reference to that very Theresa May dance)

Enchantresss

22 Jun 14:56 #

@EmilD:

LerKechan

17 Jun 00:18 #

I didn't read any theories on purpose this time to get the most out of the twist, I did it.
I really liked the scene when the Doctor said that S.Triad is an anagram, and everyone almost rolled their eyes at how obvious it is. It seems to me that this is such a light teasing of the fans who thought that they had predicted the twist so easily

AdmeralVl

17 Jun 00:42 #

The end of the series is straight creepy and it was on the rise from the neighbor who stayed to look after Ruby's grandmother, that's why I decided to watch before going to bed. In general, this season has turned out to be a lot of creepy episodes.
The neighbor of Ruby's mother and grandmother is some kind of unusual (unearthly), obviously knows something
I haven't watched the classic TV series and I don't know who all these gods are and what kind of granddaughter, but it's very interesting without that.
I don't understand why I should read the theories of the series and then be outraged, which was predictable, uninteresting and protracted.
It remains to wait for the final episode

Dark_Punk

17 Jun 01:32 #

I didn't read the theory, I didn't watch the classics in the final:
- I'm Sutekh
All:
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I'm terrified:
- Who?
Sutekh:
- God of death
I:
- And what?
There were emotions in general, but purely on the atmosphere. Then I had to watch the pyramids of Mars (episode 3 of the 13th season of the classics) and as a result... Although further spoilers for the series of the 70s-80s

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The doctor killed him, and he is technically no more a god than the gods from the stargate, yes, he has the ability to kill with touch and enslave, and he killed his entire race and considers all living things enemies... Damn, there is something to be afraid of along the way, but how could he survive, then the Doctor sent him to the corridor where time passed faster at times and he died of old age after several thousand years that had passed in a couple of minutes.

17 Jun 11:06 #

@Dark_Punk: well, when you first watched season 3 of DC, when the Master appeared, you probably also cried with happiness / were horrified, because for all of us, young viewers who did not watch the classics, it was generally a left-wing and unfamiliar character. It's basically the same here.

GamoriC

17 Jun 14:39 #

@EmilD: yeah, only they brought him to the master and showed that this was some kind of dangerous and inadequate horseradish, that was why it was scary / disturbing / interesting, and then God knows what, well, dog and dog, the new viewer does not understand at all what it is, who it is and why he suddenly became the villain of the season

17 Jun 16:54 #

@GamoriC:
well, damn, I can write about the Master like that too)
When he was originally introduced, it was also unclear, well, the Master and the Master, it's not clear at all what it is, who it is and why he suddenly became the villain of the season)
We were new viewers then too and didn't know who it was.

But actually, they let him down here during the season, the Toymaker mentioned him and was afraid to play with him, the Maestro was afraid of him when she made Ruby sing and said that he was when Susan was born, Susan Twist, as it turned out, was connected with him. The TARDIS was making very strange noises because of him.

Well, the ending of the series, I quote:
Harriet, the harbinger:
And the universal mother, and father, and other rises above them. For the god of all gods has returned. He has a lot of names. His names were Seth, Seth and Setekh. But his only real name is forever... Sutekh. Sutekh is the god of death, and by his hand all creation will turn into dust, ashes and ruins.

Susan Triad:
I will bring the gift of Sutekh's death... to all mankind.

Sutekh:
I am Sutekh. The God of death. I am the night. I am the horror. I am a loss. And all living things will die by my hand.

Susan Triad:
I will bring the gift of Sutekh's death. To you. And to everyone in your tiny, nasty, endless universe.

He identified himself as a dangerous villain and two people have already died by his hand in the series and as we see in the trailer, everything will get very, very bad from now on.

I can understand that you didn't like the disclosure of the villain, but it was and he didn't know what.

GamoriC

17 Jun 18:38 #

@EmilD: lol, they didn't say anything about the Master, it was just a strange person who seized power, and he posed a threat not because the doctor or someone else said damn, he's scary (((), but because it was really clear what he was doing and that he went. That is, first they showed the character and the threat he carries, and only then they said who it was.

It's the opposite here. At first, everyone said that this was an evil villain, but he did not pose any threat. Killed a military man, so? Someone is constantly dying here, this is not a global threat. He didn't take over the world or technology, he doesn't control consciousness or anything else, he just showed up, killed an extra (I don't remember who else he killed there, except the military) and everyone was scared. Well, such a disclosure.

17 Jun 22:44 #

@GamoriC:
> That is, first they showed the character and the threat he carries

What kind of threat did he pose when he regenerated? Absolutely nothing. He only killed Shanto and stole the TARDIS, that's all, we saw that he was a strange person and didn't learn anything more about him. He did not pose any threat, he was more afraid for the characters who remained at the end of the universe. He already began to pose a threat in the next episode, when we found out that he was the Prime Minister and had killed a lot of people, and in general he turned out to be a crazy psycho.

There was no disclosure of Sutekh as such yet, he literally had 5 minutes of screen time at the end. He killed two, in the middle of the military episode, at the end, her assistant died at the hands of Susan. His strength and power and danger will obviously be shown in the next episode. Plus, he also took over the Doctor's TARDIS.

marirable

17 Jun 16:14 #

I haven't watched old school, so don't blame me, maybe it's already happened
I caught myself thinking, when they listed all the other gods, before naming the one who is waiting, that oh, now they would say that he is the God of Time, well, like, in contrast to the Time Lord, the real Time Year. It's all the more beautiful that he appeared around the Tardis like that. And the fact that he turned out to be the God of Death was somehow disappointing, because it was very unoriginal.

17 Jun 17:09 #

@marirable: The god of time from the pantheon was in the classics, either an aunt or someone for a toymaker. By the way, I assumed that whoever was waiting, it was either time or death, it was quite obvious. Two of the most able to wait entities

17 Jun 18:35 #

@Alona: This is still one of the most basic theories.

Regis-emiel

17 Jun 19:07 #

mixed feelings.
The plot is still very simple, as is the villain. this is a standard Doctor Who episode, but somehow it didn't capture me at all.
at the same time, there is a hodgepodge of characters, half of which seem superfluous.
I just wonder what's going on with Ruby after all! Well, their neighbor is mysterious.

It also brings up thoughts of Marvel series like Moon Knight and Loki. then you look at loki and see the doctor on the minimals. now you watch the doctor and remember about Loki. :D

merlott

17 Jun 21:22 #

@Regis-emiel: the neighbor made me strain myself with one phrase, and the villain seemed too pretentious

deex_iv

17 Jun 22:10 #

What a mess the series has turned into with these gods. From science fiction to sordid Supernatural fan fiction.

02 Jul 07:57 #

@deex_iv: so it was all before, from the 60th. The Toyboy appeared at the First Doctor

vereliovoli

18 Jun 01:18 #

a series passed, she went to everyone, but it was just not very good for me. everyone didn't like this episode, but I really liked it. Well, what is wrong with me?

20 Jun 02:28 #

@vereliovoli: Don't worry, you're all right. At least it's the same with me, and I'm completely normal :-)

blacki3

18 Jun 01:51 #

First, instead of season 14, the Doctors suggest that we reset the countdown, launch marketing to attract a new audience, and then over and over again make references to the Classic Doctor😅 And I don't really mind at all. I liked the same Toy Maker. But all the same, somehow a very big bet is that the viewer is familiar with the Classics. Such tension was pumped up, before revealing this god, I was sitting on pins and needles and I just didn't think about anyone. And then there's pam-pam-pam, a character who appeared in Doctor Who almost 50 years ago. To be honest, I had a little stupor when I saw this Anubis. And somehow I didn't manage to get into the Doctor's horror in the end, because without additional training I had no idea who was in front of you and why they were so dark. I'm sure there will be a lot of drama in the season finale, but so far the finale of this series has cut off the overall mesmerized impression a little

18 Jun 16:02 #

@blacki3: You have 3 options
Sucking on the same thing from season to season, Daleks are Cybermen-a master
Do it like a chibnel, prescribe new and incomprehensible creatures. I'm still in shock from the first season of Jody, where the villain in the finale is just some kind of nouname (however, as in flux)
Option 3, do as they did during the original resurrection of the series, bring back the classic villains and give them a second life.
You may not remember, but the master returned to new school like that, and watching it on STS at the very first show, he also sat with his face and was like: who, what?
Exactly how people react to Sutekh, toymaker, and so on right now

18 Jun 18:04 #

@id506040974: in defense of the villains of Flux, I will say that they have an awesome very beautiful design and, in general, Roy and Azure turned out to be very charismatic, but their potential was not realized at all and in the end they stupidly merged

18 Jun 19:17 #

@EmilD: I agree with you, Flux is generally a good season.
Just like the second season of Jody is normal.
But the first one, which was positioned as a softboot of the series, was a complete failure in my opinion.
RTD's rebooter has clearly turned out better, here you have new monsters and quite excellent combos of classic villains that the public was not familiar with.
The second softbut is obtained already from RTD

02 Jul 08:00 #

@EmilD: Roy and Lazur liked them and even went to their ending about the senselessness of their actions and the desire to please time itself, but time itself did not need it. A good message

18 Jun 16:04 #

I liked the series as a whole.
I caught deja vu from the final arches of the RTD. Including thanks to the music of Murray Gold, and the presentation of the disclosure of the villain, exactly as it was with the master in season 3. One to one.
Straight goosebumps went, it's good, I haven't felt this way for a long time when watching

Yes, the series is not without drawbacks, yes it is not a reference, but objectively the best that has happened since the time of the masters crossover at 12. I don't take into account the haste

I really want Sutekh to have a human form, preferably with a charismatic actor.
The shape of the dog was certainly not very impressive.
I really liked the toymaker and the maestro in this regard

azabeth_who

18 Jun 22:28 #

No, after all, "gods" in science fiction are not my thing * sighs bitterly*

The only good impression of the series is the Chalk. that's who ideally suits the 15th with his constant outbursts of expression - she also found an approach to the irascible Sixth during his outbursts of anger (although in another situation I would not compare their vibes, they are too different), so she is not used to it. I really liked this short-lived interaction. it seems that this Doctor needs someone like "no nonsense" to besiege him in moments of punching the wall and screaming into the air.

Well, the scene in the time room looks impressive, I even watched it twice, very high quality and tasteful.

viktor_voron

19 Jun 18:54 #

@azabeth_who:
I agree, the moment with Mel was amazing. "Hey, drool! I lifted my ass, let's go save the world!" Here you can feel the classic doctor's spirit.

dianaprincesscat

18 Jun 22:49 #

To be honest, the interest and intrigue subsided a little when they said that it wasn't Susan, it's sad that I haven't watched the classics before this Set (as I understood it, he already appeared there), otherwise I think I would have been delighted

dianaprincesscat

18 Jun 22:52 #

@dianaprincesscat: oh my God, I checked out the appearance of the Setech in the classics, I didn't get to it very much 😭

19 Jun 23:51 #

I still don't understand by what principle the tardis flies into a room, and by what principle it materializes in space :D

The Doctor has been avoiding his granddaughter for so many years because he thinks he brings bad luck, and at the same time the Doctor is constantly recruiting new companions. Hmm... well ok)

Otherwise, I'm waiting for the second part to make a full conclusion)

20 Jun 10:53 #

@albinka_: yes, what is there to conclude... They will send this SuTekh into the void again, and that's where his narrative line will close.

20 Jun 11:44 #

@MarkRaffer: Well, if you think like that, then every second movie is not worth watching, because it is clear that at the end there will be a happy ending.)
Interesting is not only the ending, but also the way to it: how to get rid of SuTekh, what's up with Ruby's mom - will it eventually turn out something, what does the old harbinger have to do with it, from which you won't get tea, where did Susan come from and why she became a vessel, etc..
That's why I wrote that my the final conclusion will be made based on how all these threads will eventually be tied)

20 Jun 12:02 #

@albinka_: exactly... it is interesting that the internal content of the episodes is a kind of mini-pritch with its conclusions, morality and characters and with the same Capaldi - it just hit the nail on the head, here - whatever the episode, it's a pass, or even worse... Why is that? The question is rhetorical...

21 Jun 07:59 #

@albinka_:
well, in Doctor Who, in every episode, a serious /most dangerous villain appears and at the end the Doctor wins, sometimes easily, sometimes hard, only a few times in my opinion the Doctor failed to defeat the villain and he remained free somewhere out there. As it was, for example, in the series "Don't sleep anymore" or the villain just ran away / disappeared / his death was in question. We never saw the death of the same Davros, so I wouldn't be surprised if he returns to take revenge on the Doctor again in a few seasons)

02 Jul 08:03 #

@EmilD: Well, it seems that there were rumors that that Davros would be younger from the miniseries...hmmm and if Davros is of current time + Davros before he became a freak hmmm

21 Jun 07:57 #

@albinka_:
The Doctor has been avoiding "avoiding his granddaughter" for so many years because he believes that he brings bad luck, and at the same time the Doctor is constantly recruiting new companions. Hmm... well ok)

So this is what he/she has all the time. Somehow the 11th decided that he had had enough of traveling with Amy and Rory, because he did not want to bring them to the grave, and then he gave up on it and they began traveling with him again, well, in the end, because of these trips, they ended up in the past)

As for the granddaughter, I think so, since they haven't seen each other for a long time, then there's no point in looking for her / bothering her if suddenly everything is fine in her life.

21 Jun 12:01 #

@EmilD: Well, yes) That's what I was talking about. But sometimes it has already begun to sound like an excuse when a relationship with someone becomes too complicated)
Someone who sincerely believes that he brings only misfortune and does not want to allow this, is unlikely to stick into all adventures like a Doctor and does not tame so many people.
Either it's easier for screenwriters to justify some moments in this way, or it's such an attempt to bring drama to the character of Doc, and then he still could use good psychological help - because he's rushing from greatness, believe me, I'm a Doctor!", "I will save everyone!", "this planet is under my protection" before this" I bring misfortune to everyone" and"I ruined everything")

//if anything, I do not dispute that this is actually quite a life behavior and there are also such people who say "I am bad, I only bring pain", and then they enter into different relationships over and over again :D but this is a very immature behavior, and when it is done time after time by an ancient being, it is slightly dissonant)

ckpinka

26 Jun 01:29 #

@albinka_:
1) people are not so sorry, this is collateral damage
2) Time Lords did not invent psychotherapy

dovelena

22 Jun 12:14 #

I have a question - where were there 2 more episodes? where Susan is "Sloogma" as a terminator with half a face and "Griffin" - a blue face (when the Doctor flipped through the images).
or were they just shown to us, but it wasn't in the plot?

587

22 Jun 15:38 #

@dovelena: they just showed it, perhaps they will reveal it in more detail in comics or audio plays. Or maybe in a TV series about Unit.

Кайла

06 Oct 18:00 #

@dovelena: we are not shown all the adventures of the Doctor)))

andreyck

22 Jun 16:33 #

Was River the Doctor's first woman?

22 Jun 20:54 #

@andreyck: I think we all got the gist of Kate and the Doctor's dialogue about Susan a little bit wrong. The doctor was definitely, unconditionally and indisputably a father, this is clear from Tennant's words "I was a dad once", "Donna, I've been a father before, I've lost them a long time ago", from Capaldi's words "dad skills", and even Jokey Gatva himself just recently in "Boom" told the digital ghost of the girl's father "dad to dad, you never let them down, right?"

The essence of the Doctor's words to Kate was probably that it was specifically one granddaughter mentioned in the conversation, Susan, who appeared in the Doctor's life earlier than one of her parents. At least that's how I understood it.

andreyck

22 Jun 21:40 #

@KonstantinRomeow: before this dialogue, it seemed exactly like that, but now he could mean his genetic copy about his daughter. In my opinion, screenwriters should be more careful about writing dialogues so that there are no contradictions. Because now it looks like a retcon

Filman

23 Jun 13:13 #

How does the doctor have a granddaughter if he doesn't have children?

OrangeElephant

23 Jun 13:16 #

@Filman: well, if we discard the talk that he has already mentioned having children, then a very simple option is time travel, about them seraglio. Some future incarnation has children - one of them has a daughter, Susan - she meets with the First Doctor. He doesn't have any children yet, but she's his granddaughter, it's simple.

02 Jul 08:11 #

@OrangeElephant: so many people used to think, but starting from the 12th season of modern, another strong option appeared: She knows about the Timeless Child and in fact in previous cycles he had children, and they had a daughter and then she just told him that she was from the future, but in fact they just erased him from the same time memory...a good explanation is that she didn't shine in front of him for most of his life First and when he decides to leave Gallifrey and become a Doctor again (as was the case with Ruth, for example) then her mission from the Timelords was to accompany him.

PlanePassenger

13 Aug 13:28 #

@Takumikun: timeless child is better off