s01e08 — Empire of Death
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Nonsense came out..
As for music and snow and Ruby's other abilities, in the end they made it clear. Strength from the fact that Sutekh has self-imposed the mega-importance of Ruby's origin. Ruby was quite ordinary until the Doctor, along with Sutekh on board, arrived on her birthday. Because of all this mystery and the importance of who Ruby's mom was, which was asked even before arriving on her birthday (and Sutekh saw it all), and the fact that Sutekh did not understand who it was and as a result could not influence her, but believed that it was someone important and powerful - it gave This is Ruby's unusual abilities...from the influence of God. And the music and the snow because he started this autosuggestion on December 24, 2004, at the moment when he saw that woman in black through the TARDIS, and what happened then? That's right, Shchedryk was playing and it was snowing heavily. Literally, the way Ruby's power manifested itself.
Thanks for the explanation, it still seems like a big stretch to me, but okay. Why couldn't anyone see Ruby's mom's face? And why was she acting so strangely on the record? (of course, it still seems strange to me that she pointed so expressively at the lantern, plus it's unclear why the doctor's memory has changed) and couldn't Sutekh somehow find out who her mother is, since he has such strong divine abilities.....
I have a complaint that all this was surrounded by frankly weak and unnecessary scenes. And Russell is like, "Yeah, look how I fooled you!"
One could say "oh yes Russell!", only this joke is like confetti at a rotten party, it looks ridiculous.
RTD is not a master finalist, so let's write it down.
UPD: oh, well, it also turns out that Idris should have known about Sutekh))0
By the way, the most impressive thing was the fitting of memories into the plot of the Tardis - the spin-off of the series was explained in a great way. Well, Mel, it turns out she was a companion on the 15th).
Yes, it would be better not even, I'm already tired of this krynzhovnik with monologues of the children's theater in the camera. I'm not even interested in who it is or what it is, as long as it stops.
In other words, under the pressure of the public, they will still have to rewrite the scripts and introduce a character there.
Well, what an idiot you are after all.
First of all, the second season has been filmed for a long time.
Secondly, the news about the alleged dismissal of the actress was in the middle of filming the second season, at the end of January.
And Millie has been on the set of the second season since October last year, long before the news that she was allegedly fired, just filming for the second season began with episode 4, which will be dedicated to Ruby and her family. And spoiler alert, in the season finale she will be wearing exactly the same clothes as in episode 4, which means her arch was planned literally from the very beginning, because RTD has repeatedly said that both seasons were in development at the same time and the story arc will be the same.
It is difficult to judge about Sutekh as an enemy and how much the plot was deployed in this regard relative to the classics, but at least it was interesting to watch. It turns out that this is the first time the Doctor has killed someone, and ironically, is this the god of death? at the same time, the Doctor is still being driven about this... I don't know, to be honest, how much better his decisions were before, when he could frankly send him to a fate worse than death... but if this topic has already been raised here, then I think it will be further developed. and Susan - with such a background, I'd be very surprised if she doesn't become a key plot in the next season.
Is Mrs. Flood a Master? There were so many plans, there were so many plans... and such ominous hints about the Doctor)
it is a pity that we are parting with Ruby so early, I really liked her as a companion, but at least this parting is not on a sad note, and she did find out the truth about her parents. it was even unexpected, it seemed that the topic would be hushed up like it doesn't matter, ololo. but they did, and even in such detail. the moment about the fact that her mother is the most ordinary woman, to whom they themselves attached importance, is very good. here you can feel the sharp difference between RTD and Moffat, who just let loose and everyone you meet will be the most important-special-wonderful.
overall, there were quite mixed impressions from the season, but I was pleased with the finale, and now I will look forward to the continuation)
is 1,000,001,000,170,770,238,518
The Doctor finally got ready and returned to do and say smart things, know the traps in advance, love the TARDIS and the companion, and, of course, defeat the villains with a spoon!
When Ruby said "I don't understand", I finally believed that she was her own mom, especially with this million 73-yard references. But it turned out like this. In general, the message is cool, in the style of RTD and the Doctor in general. Live, love, give things meaning. But somewhere in the back of my mind, I would really like it to be the daughter of River and the Doctor (but what).
If I hadn't seen Ruby coming next season, I would have cried a lot more at the finale. Because Ruby is beautiful, I really like her as a companion, she is kind, determined, grasps everything on the go, they do not have a romantic line and she does not try, but she is not looking for Rory. In general, a wonderful companion, I'm not ready to say goodbye to her yet.
As I expected, this episode has put an end to the season, after which I will still recommend my friends to watch the new, new Doctor
Immediately, the advantage is that it is still a two-part series, and it works like a two-part series. I was fooled in the first part, strained during the second part and silenced in the finale. This was not the case, for example, with "The Wedding of River Song", because there was no two-part finale.
In short, there is something to compare, and I would not put either "The Legend of Ruby Sunday / Empire of Death" or "The Battle for Ranscore Av Kolos" in the last place in the TOP 14 finals of Doctor Who
If at least someone who put a minus sign asked what the series was all about and how good it was, would there be an answer?) But if someone likes the season 11 finale more than this finale, then I'm ready to shake hands, because it's respected)
I disagree about some episodes, but I liked this finale more than the finales of all three seasons of Jody and more than the finale of season 10, but the first part was brilliant, and the second, well, okay, although even Moffat's bad episodes have a lot of good things.
But my favorite finales are HellBent and the season 8 finale. But if you read the comments on "Death in Heaven", you can catch deja vu. I remember perfectly well how the series was halted at that time.
the special effects are on the level, but the ending is frankly weak. There were so many interesting theories about who Ruby's mother might be, for a second I even thought it might be Mel (timey-vimey, that's it)... and in the end, we got what we got. In "The Lie Of The Land" by the way, when the memories of Bill's mother (also a very unremarkable girl) saved the world from the Monks, I liked the concept itself - but somehow it didn't go as far as possible. But I'm glad Ruby found a family and completed her personal arc.
I can say thank you to this season for the development of the plot of the UNIT - we hardly saw them in action so many and so close in new school. Now I want to watch the spin-off even more. And for the series "Boom" and "73 yards" - I especially liked them. And Ruby, as a companion, also entered my personal top three, along with Clara and Donna
But Dr. Jokey on Vibe turned out to be not my Doctor at all, for some reason you don't believe that he can be dangerous and cruel, like moments 10, 11 and 12, of course. But let's see how his character develops in the future.
I subscribe to every word.
As for the mysteries of the season, okay, one of my main options about Susan Triad was that she was an ordinary random woman, but whose image the villain uses, so here one of the main options was justified. About Ruby's mom, yes, of course I was thinking about other characters because all this mystique and so on, but to be honest, I even like what RTD came up with more, a good message and not banal "Her mom Susan Foreman/Triad/River/Mrs. Flood/TARDIS/or whatever else the theorists came up with. Well, yes...RTD, WHO THE FUCK IS MRS. FLOOD?!?!
Well, I also want to note all kinds of references. Yes, it's a banal fanservice, but in some moments, such an easy fanservice brought tears to my eyes...Chalk bow, jacket of the Sixth, Ud-sphere, a series of Pyramids on the screen, etc. Rush.
In short, I am happy with both the season and the final two-part series. But the best streaks of the season are the Devil's Chord and 73 yards.
When the planets began to revive, I kept waiting for the Doctor to name Gallifrey, but no. And it is unclear whether only those who suffered from Sutekh were reborn, or from the Flood too?
Ruby was so messed up that she is super important, and in the end her mother explains how to meme bro. But then why did the snow follow her everywhere, or why was she able to become a spirit 73 yards away? Either they planned a bigger arch for her, or they forgot about it. Who did she point out the sign to? Until 2024, no one saw anything there except snow. She didn't come back to put a note. If there is no mystery, then the Doctor could safely return there at any moment, landing a little further away, and photograph her face. Some kind of overly Moffat scenario.
I was especially amused by the phrase that it was Ruby who taught the Doctor what a family is. And not the pham of some doctor there. Take a bite, Chibnell.
Hopefully, the arch with the Pantheon of Chaos will continue. And they'll give some kind of explanation to this granny neighbor. Night-night.
Then all her knowledge is clear
It's not for nothing that they talk about her so often....
I also agree with the comment somewhere above that the relationship between the Doctor and Ruby turned out to be so kind and warm. I came to watch a couple of episodes with 12m to refresh something in my memory, and such an awesome contrast between 12 with Clara and 15 with Ruby. just file an article in the encyclopedia about relationships with the signature "toxic" and "wholesome" respectively.
I don't know what it's called, but I got carried away with this thing in a screwdriver for blood analysis, but otherwise why not))))
I didn't like the Unit this season. it left the impression of some kind of useless fuss, and armed to the teeth.
in general, the season imho came out on a four with a minus, but probably still just the first lump. it could have been better if the season had been longer, but it seems to me that a more twisted plot would have turned out to be simply not suitable for 8 episodes, so it's probably not a bad thing that with a small number of them, such a not very sophisticated denouement was made for Ruby. but it still feels like I wanted something more.
PS Mrs. Flood, who the hell are you ( งò_ó)ง
There were so many theories about Ruby's parents, but in fact they turned out to be ordinary people and maybe it's for the best☺️
By the way, isn't Ruby's mom playing Millie's mom by the hour? They're just very similar.😉
I can't say that I was very impressed with Sutekh's line. But, in principle, it was normal.
Plus, it was nice to see footage from the classics.
Only it remains unclear who the neighbor is and why the ending of the Dock is tragic👀
And, about Ruby, if I hadn't known that she would be in the new season, I would have thought that this was the character's finale.
Thank you so much for the season.
I thought that the main villain would be from the pantheon of Toys and Music, but an ancient Egyptian vile creature got out, which the Doctor destroyed, almost flooding the Tardis with tears. The Doctor, although he always gave villains a chance, behaved sensibly and destroyed someone if necessary.
Millie began to play better and more accurately towards the end of the season, but Jokey can't convey the huge layer of the character's life experience in any way. Doctors experienced teenage tantrums thousands of years ago.
I really liked the references to the classics (although I hardly watched it) and the previous seasons, and in general, the fact that this season they actively recalled the past, or sometimes it feels like with each new director the Doctor's memory is reset.
I like the emotional Dr. Jokey. I would like to be able to cry just as beautifully, and not as usual. 😂
I love you.» 🥹🥹🥹
«Oh, that clever boy»
Клара?!?!?!?!
I don't deny that I might not have looked very closely, but somehow too many questions arise if Ruby is really an ordinary child of ordinary parents.
Of course, who is higher and to whom you answer is wrong - and Jokey Gatva, and David Tennant, and Jodie Whittaker are great Doctors in their own way (Doctors?), so Capaldi certainly cannot be the "last Doctor". But for more subtle trolling, I would choose not the First Doctor, but someone more iconic and memetic walking in front of Capaldi, fortunately there is someone to choose from.
And then you're like, "Um, why didn't he turn the leash into dust?"
Otherwise, the series is good, beautifully filled with references to past episodes and it's nice that the companion (temporarily) left not through drama and suffering /worries about danger and death, but happily. It seems that this was even a little lacking.
What would I change in the final if I had the opportunity. I would make the finale three-part, like in season 3. In the first part, I would show how Sutekh destroys the universe, in the second I would show how the Doctor, Ruby and Mel survive in hellish conditions, and in the third part I would bring everyone back and show the destruction of Sutekh. But this is essentially some kind of repeat of season 3.
In the first era of RTD, the endings were always tragic, but Moffat, on the contrary, had a happy ending. Under Capaldi, on the contrary, the finals were tragic and now it's the turn of RTD and happy endings. It will be interesting to analyze this after all the new seasons.
But overall I'm happy with the finale. Emotionally by five, plot-wise by three. But I have long taught myself to keep my expectations as low as possible. Thanks to Chibnell for that. Thanks to this, the series almost doesn't disappoint me. Yes, of course, many moments could have been much better, like the whole story, but there are so many small pleasant moments in the series that just warm the soul. Here is the TARDIS of memory, where the details of the previous TARDIS are collected, here is the screwdriver of the Thirteenth, here is Mel stumbled upon the vest of the Seventh (how cute it was), here is the Doctor whistling for the TARDIS, here is the Doctor rushing through the time funnel and mocking Sutekh, I even felt a little sorry for him, here is the Doctor mentions the planet Ud-sphere and The doctor's "I have to become a monster myself."
I liked how the Doctor decided to take such a serious step and personally get rid of the villain, usually someone does it for him. The Rose will absorb the funnel and destroy the Daleks, then Doctor Donna and Metacrisis will do the same, so in the finale of the Tenth era, the Master decides to save the Doctor from the Timelords. In general, you can continue for a long time.
I really liked the moment when Ruby's mom was revealed, namely that "she became special because we considered her important and special" and how good it was that she was not some kind of goddess, but Ruby turned out to be a simple person. But there is one thing. Mention of Ruby's father. Maybe he's not that simple? The appearance of snow was also not explained. And since RTD gave answers to many questions, including why Susan Triad appeared in all times, it means snow is important, and the fact that Ruby's story will continue in the second season hints that this arc will continue.
Well, the most pleasant thing after the series is the number of memes. I don't remember such a parade of memes and they're all really funny.
As for the season itself. This is definitely not the best season of Doctor Who, but the main thing for me is that it evoked emotions, especially after three seasons of Chibnell, where I had to be frankly bored. And it's probably the first time I've enjoyed the season finale since season 9. Although I love the Capaldi era, the series "The Fall of the Doctor" and "Twice in Time" caused only bewilderment, although they had quite a lot of pleasant moments. And this season, all the episodes were pretty much in different genres, which is very cool. It's a pity that there were only eight of them.
Well, now we turn on standby mode again until Christmas, but Moffat wrote the next episode!
But the rest of the episode is cool.
A typical season finale from Russell T. Davis is a complete n$#@ first!ec is like an indestructible fleet of Daleks that captured the Earth and the TARDIS of the Master or 27 planets stolen to destroy reality, then magic like the absorption of the TARDIS heart by the Rose or the restoration of the Doctor by the power of the word with a rewind of time or the appearance of the second Doctor from the severed hand and the third Doctor from Donna, and then everything is fine again.
I understand that you may not like the move "kill everyone and then resurrect" in principle, but should you be upset that someone in particular has been returned?
When the whole universe turned to dust, it was clear that everything would be put back in place. It was just unclear how. They returned it, and thank God. "No, well, what now?"
The fact that Ruby's mom is an ordinary mortal... well, that kind of thing. When they started showing her pictures and telling me about her life, I hoped that there would be some "but". At least the screens all went off suddenly, or the doctor was like, "oh, I know her." But the feeling is a bit bummer. Again, "no, okay, what now."
In general, it's fine. The season is good.
Hachiko mode is on.
this is the god of DEATH, how did he let himself be tied to some kind of intellectual rope (btf by the way??)?? and I didn't understand how everyone came back to life (death + death? what?.. how did they spread this effect to the entire extinct universe? was "cutting" clouds this effect or is it just for beauty?).
Probably, the doctor's fanbase just can't be satisfied anymore. all the great plot moves have already been done in previous seasons, and the rest seems weak... much is unclear, but overall the feeling is pleasant. Ruby is cool, the new doctor is cool! I want to reconsider after a while, I think it will be less nagging and more tenderness)
I like the new Doctor. He's a bit of a crybaby, but he's got a new personality. He's still the same Doctor, he just cries a little more often than the others.
I'm waiting for the nightmarish end of the Doctor.
But purely for me, it feels like they're throwing it back on for the fans to talk about, and then they'll break it off. They came up with the significance themselves, made it special themselves, but in fact, a brick fell on my head in childhood/the TARDIS somehow touched its field, so the woman went cuckoo and staoa is immune to the TARDIS perception filter
I liked the visual (and the sound) associated with Sutekh and his messengers on the whole.
I also really liked the scene where the Doctor talks to an unknown woman, from whom he then takes a spoon. and due to this scene, when Mel does not remember something and complains of fatigue, you already suspect something is wrong.
Oh, and we've been scheming with this Mrs. Flood...
The showdown with Sutekh, but it feels like a child wrote 🫨 if it's to please Disney and stuff references to the Avengers (Thanos hello) then I'm disappointed, after all I've seen, I want to wrap myself in classics and new school. It seems to me that it was possible to shift the deadlines again and think about the plots and wait for the Joke a little more.
I have no complaints about the acting, except for the Maestro. Jokey understands the character, as for me, Millie is also a great fellow. But there's a problem with scripts.
I used to stamp my foot in the direction of Moffat and the 12th doctor, I want to apologize, I was wrong. And when I review it, I feel emotions of joy, sadness and anger.
Here, I feel a cruel deception after watching the finale.
>> I used to stamp my foot in the direction of Moffat and the 12th doctor, I want to apologize, I was wrong.
Justice has finally been served!
Soon people will start loving the Chibnell and Jody era in this way.
And apparently in 10 years this season will be remembered with love :D
Here the actors understand the characters, but most of the scripts are like that; (there are good ties, and then somehow the script rolls down like a stone.
No one will do better than the final than the lost land/the paths diverge. I got what I wanted from the new doctor with the good old RTD: I want to continue watching the series.
Moffat wrote nothing for the 13th
The question is about the very fact of the presence of Sutekh. How could he end up on this particular tardis? Season three, ending, hammer blow, new tardis with jukebox.
And so in the presence of gods who feed on faith and depend not only on its presence but also on the contents and can also empower their followers. Under such conditions, there may be different options, including unconscious empowerment in view of the misconceptions and character traits of a particular deity.
It would have been even more epic if Sutekh's energy had also split, and in the end they fought, and so superimposed minus on minus)
the quest of the season is completed.
in general, the ending of the season is somehow so simple that it's right at all. Lunityunovskaya a little.
It's a pity Ruby's mom isn't Lucy Miller.
Mrs. Flood is still intriguing.
but there were great episodes in the season! half of the season, in fact. 73 yards, dot and bubble, boom and devil chord. :)
And in fact, it's just a raw, unprocessed scenario. It's like they took the first draft and put it into production without any corrections
Therefore, a small part of me hoped that Ruby's mother would be Rosa in 2004 and the beginning of the start of season 1 in 2005, so everything fit together..
At first I thought that RTD had one type per gg woman, and then it dawned that mb was still not a coincidence, but alas
Maybe because I watched both episodes at once, it turned out to be complete, complete, not delayed, but intense. We closed a lot of questions, revealed the secret of Ruby.
Not everyone can be like Clara, Amy and Donna terribly special. For example, a simple woman turned out to be special. And each person is special in his own way for those who love him, for whom he is dear. Even if he is quite ordinary. Isn't that a great idea. Of course, I also want scale and epic, but once the doctor began as a family science pop. And the main idea "secrets of Ruby" is just as suitable for family viewing as possible.
A 13-year-old child looked fascinated, was scared where necessary and got moral.
In the end, the series is not to blame that its audience, who came in 2005, has grown. Maybe zeroing the counter has zeroed out the age of the target audience and the new viewer will grow with the Doctor?
For me personally, no one can replace Capaldi's monologues, pantolettes and fez, suspenders and bow tie, behold the raven with heavencent and the day of the doctor. But otherwise it doesn't mean it's bad. It's just different. Jokey is charming. We are waiting for the continuation.
But the plot turned out to be too bloated. Seriously.
During the whole season, they did not show real adventures, secrets of the universe and space. The doctor boasted that he had been everywhere, everywhere, at the same time taking this Sutekh, but the audience did not see it all... They only heard it.
In general, the vector of the series has gone towards the narrative of ordinary people, modern problems and not the most modern solutions, as well as drama on drama. There is no longer enough science fiction. Yes, you can deploy such a thing, beat it up! Previously, the Moon could have been hatched and the universe could have collapsed and been horrified... But another time has come.
Of course, the characters have become more saturated, not cardboard according to Chibnell, but somehow blurred in general.
I think it's the bad influence of Disney.
As a result, everything came down to the topic of family again (2024 was declared the year of the family in Russia?))). There was no sincerity in Doc's words that Ruby had changed him a lot. I would not say that she did a lot of significant things for him, as if previous companions had not influenced him the same way – Donna with her family, Rosa with her mother, Amy Pond...(and they influenced everything more!).
Unfortunately, my favorite series this season were only 73 yards and the series about the Glorious World.
The phrase "I wanted to find you every year, but I thought that you would hate me" not only is it a cliche, it also doesn't sound sincere at all.
Did the authors really expect us to be moved by the fact that Ruby found her boring, undisclosed, unloving parents?
It's a pity for the doctor, he didn't deserve such betrayal on her part.
In each episode, the Doctor watched people and planets die and cried, while in the special episode he somehow told the Tenth that he had to fix his cuckoo. If he meant by this — to stand, cry and yell into space, the Tenth coped anyway, but at the same time he also tried to do something.
I hate Disney. What they've turned my favorite series into is a disgrace. As if it were just cutting beautiful frames with beautiful graphics, most likely RTD was drugged or substituted for his script, because it was clearly done by someone else. With his hands tied. With a gun to his temple.
Inclusivity is offered instead of a plot, flirting with a young audience. But they can't offer anything to this audience either. The old audience is literally shown a better season — great, everyone likes the Fourth One. But you can't just show old companions (whom the new school audience doesn't know or doesn't know well) and hope that they will take a ride! It's not enough to cut the video into tiktok, tell the story.
What have we been offered for the whole season? Ruby's mysterious mother and Snowball. Why didn't her mother find her herself, why is she glad to see her now, why do they have a good relationship? Zero answers. Why is Ruby so special? What does snow have to do with it? Because otherwise there will be no mystery?
The situation was similar in previous episodes: with this bad prime minister and a woman standing at a certain distance. With people who got out of tiktok of the future and went to explore a brave new world (and apparently, the worst of them survived, I would look at this world). He could still be interested in the series, but he couldn't give answers.
And what are the answers? After Chibnell rewrote the ent, destroyed Gallifrey one more time, it won't go away, right?
It's like Disney snatched the highlights: The Doctor and the TARDIS. So we need more Doctors (the Tenth, apparently, while the Earth was dying, his best friend's daughter was dying, sat and smoked bamboo?), and more TARDIS. The villain has one, the Doctor has one (as I remembered, the TARDIS has one), and I remind you, the Tenth has one, in the same Universe, even in the same city.
The Doctor's granddaughter is mentioned, Twitter has been discussing it again for a whole week, and what's the exhaust? Well, Susan and Susan, the other Susan, forget it.
A theme with imbecile gods that can be defeated by chaining them up? Did anyone get the joke, why did it work? And at the end, we are given a mysterious woman (who seems to be also somehow connected with the gods, but why is she also soiled?), who seems to sum up the season.
What do we have in the end? Not a single complete story, not a single answer to questions, a Doctor who now does not save people, but sympathizes with the dead, a companion who is special, special, but hardly participates in the plot, the family of this companion, whom she neglects, looking for her "real mother"! She doesn't even say "biological," she says "real."
I feel very bad, I do not know how to express it otherwise. I was literally heartbroken. Not by taking off something that I don't want, but as if they took something light and beautiful and cut it into a tasteless salad. And it can neither be eaten nor made the same.
I do not know if I will continue to watch. Maybe it was the background, but the Doctor Who series ended with Capaldi's departure for me. If you like it, all the best, and if you also died after watching this season, I suggest group tears. The Doctor is not the only one to cry.
> I hate Disney. What they've turned my favorite series into is a disgrace. As if it were just cutting beautiful frames with beautiful graphics, most likely RTD was drugged or substituted for his script, because it was clearly done by someone else. With his hands tied. With a gun to his temple.
No, it was shot by your beloved vaunted RTD, didn't you see his name in the credits? And he actually wrote 6 episodes out of 8. Plus all last year's titles from him)
Well, yes, what does Disney have to do with it? Where does this desire to find the left to blame come from? Is it Disney's fault that Chibnell didn't work out either?) To be honest, you get tired of repeating the same thing every time. Disney is not the creator of Doctor Who, Disney is the distributor of Doctor Who to international markets. Please look at the names of the people in the credits. Not a single American name. They shoot in Britain, in British studios, nothing has changed at all. Before that, Doctor Who was also shown on the American market and in other countries too, before that there was also funding from an American studio, but these were completely different companies. And now, for convenience, we have chosen one company so that it would be easier to sell the series to different countries and so that the series would be released simultaneously in different countries and in dubbing. The same Germans, for example, have been waiting for the release of new episodes for 3-4 months, and now they are watching dubbing at the same time with everyone.
> Inclusivity is offered instead of a plot
Is one episode per season instead of a plot? Have you ever offered anything like this before?
> Flirting with a young audience.
Well, yes, because we didn't start watching the series as children/teenagers. And the series was not originally created as a children's program, and Moffat and RTD never include children in their audience, yes.
> Mention the Doctor's granddaughter, twitter has been discussing it again for a whole week, and what's the exhaust? Well, Susan and Susan, the other Susan, forget it.
Well, why can't I mention Twitter and what does Twitter have to do with it? The mention was logical, first when they found themselves in 1963, and then the main villain used her memory.
> What have we been offered for the whole season
There are many different series in different genres, and if you didn't like the overall story arc (this can be understood), then there are still separate series with their own plot.
> Not a single complete story
Ruby's main story is the search for her Mother, it's over.
> No answers to the questions
They didn't answer only the question about the snow, so it's either a joint, or they just explained it badly, or they will explain it in the future, and the question about the neighbor.
They explained where Sutekh came from. They explained why this Susan Triad was constantly appearing.
> The Doctor who doesn't save people anymore
And what has he been doing all season? He saved Ruby from the Goblins, he saved the children from the monster, he helped stop the Maestro with the help of the Beatles, he helped the inhabitants of Glorious Time to escape from the monsters and in the end he stopped Sutekh and revived everyone.
> and sympathizes with the dead
How can this even be a claim?
> a traveler who is special-special, but hardly involved in the plot,
What do you mean, barely? The same Sutekh helped to put on a chain.
> the family of this companion, whom she neglects, looking for her "real mother"! She doesn't even say "biological," she says "real."
Why can't she look for her biological mother if she's been worried about this topic all her life? She said it emotionally once, if anything.
I can perfectly understand your disappointment, and I'm not writing this to change your mind, but most of the questions have been answered. They may not have been the most unique, they may not have been presented in the best way and their implementation might have been lame, they were, but they were still there, and ignore them just because you didn't like it and blame it on Disney, well, that kind of thing.
Well, I won't even comment on the latter. The series is dead again. This has never happened before...
or will he also bleat something unintelligible and foam at the mouth to smear the game?
In general, figs knows what it is and why I should watch it and spend my time on some videos, it's unclear, but I see you don't have your own arguments and you can't say anything intelligible, you're free!
But the video is just funny and fresh in its tracks, but your Woke reaction is more than expected. Flow around!
You are not old enough to ask questions yet, your level is to throw off other people's videos in the comments, because you do not have your own opinion.
And who else? Come on, tell me if you're so brave)
Are you really saying that the company that invests money, the company on whose platform the series is released, does not affect the final result in any way? I sincerely hoped for RTD, however, and obviously my words about "with my hands tied and with a gun at my temple" were bitter irony. It just hurts me to see what I see.
You can see where the money was invested: in the picture, in the actors. It's not so important to me how profitable it is in terms of selling the series to different countries and so on, I look as a viewer, I evaluate as a viewer. But I see that the commercial value outweighs the artistic value, and it upsets me.
As I wrote at the end: if you like it, all the best. Without any irony. I really wanted to like it. RTD, Jokey, had a huge amount of trust from me, but I didn't see any implementation.
Snow was a pretty important part of the narrative, a clue. This gun just stayed hanging. Before, the Doctor said that everyone is special, but now he tells us about ordinary people. Okay, you say that the main topic is the search for a mother. Yes, the mother has indeed been found. But this woman is a stranger to us, they didn't tell us anything about her. Who is she? Why did you do that? Why was she afraid that she would be hated, and now everything is fine? Is Ruby's foster mother in any pain? Where is this whole life of Ruby's real mother, if she has now so easily become part of someone else's family? Does she have any children, husband/wife, dog? Is it so hard to just give some woman with the words "she's a mother"? Don't you think that's a little disrespectful to the audience? Why couldn't she be found?
About sympathy for the dead — my complaint is that the Doctor no longer saves people, he cries. And I don't mind crying, but when a person cries all the time, it doesn't count as emotional stress anymore, it's just that kind of person. There is no feeling of tension. The Doctor cries and watches the world roll where it is going. And the Doctor—the one I knew and loved—was the one who was doing something. "Always keep floundering," "Think about those in the room," "We're still alive." He didn't have time to grieve, this Doctor is mostly grieving. And he's already grieving in the process.
Again, emotional openness is cool, but then why doesn't he show Ruby his feelings at the end? In each individual case, everything can be explained, but when I look at the whole picture, I see a canvas woven from hundreds of details, in which I cannot see the integrity.
I didn't write about "the series is dead". I've been in the fandom for a long time, and I saw how the "series died" with the departure of Tennant, Smith, and the appearance of Bill... So to speak, we have experienced many ends of the world. I wrote that this series is over for me. Because I don't feel anything other than disappointment anymore.
If you are watching and you are happy, if you are waiting for every episode, reading all the spoilers, eagerly watching the actors and so on — as I did before — good! I'm jealous of you. With all my heart. But I wanted to say goodbye, and my comment was my farewell to my best friend.
Well, maybe you can take a look at the video that I posted for him... it's just about Disney and their latest scandal, and there are also answers to the questions that you ask.
gt; I don't really care about his orientation.
Well, yes, I don't care so much that every time you remember her for the first time :D
> but he's always showing off about her
Wow, wow!
> Constantly puts his own superiority in the first place
An absolute brazen, unsupported lie, although what else could you expect)
> So also ordinary white cisgender heterosexuals are trying to drive below the baseboard
It's an honor to drive you under the baseboard, there are no questions for other heterosexuals)
> do you really say that the company that invests money, the company on whose platform the series is released, does not affect the final result in any way?
I would really like to understand how you think this is happening? Well, she invests money, yes, well, as before, other companies invested money. How should this even affect the screenwriter? Or do you think that RTD is so weak, that it stupidly works for money and he doesn't care about the final result? Do you really think that you can just put pressure on a person with a reputation like RTD, who has been in production for more than 30 years, who was begged by BBS to return after the chibnell failures?
With all my criticism for the new season, I don't see it. We were in a hurry with Tennat, the same blue distance in terms of ratings and reviews is almost the best series with the time of Haven sent. I don't see any company pushing around here. Yes, and the point of the company is to put pressure on what exactly? so that the picture is beautiful and there is nothing behind it?
> but I see that commercial value outweighs artistic value, and that pisses me off.
The fact that the picture has become better and the fact that you do not like the plots, these are two unrelated facts. Under Chibnell, too, the picture became better after Moffat. And Moffat's picture got better after RTD.
> before, the doctor said that everything is special, and now he tells us about ordinary people.
Yeah, what's wrong? There were always ordinary people in the doctor's life. Martha, Donna, bill, they're all ordinary, but that doesn't mean they're not important.
> but this is a strange woman, we were not told anything about her. Who is she? Why did you do that? Why was she afraid that she would be hated, and now everything is fine? Ruby's foster mother doesn't hurt at all? Where is the whole life of Ruby's real mother, if she has now so easily become part of someone else's family? Does she have children, a husband/wife, or a dog? So push yourself to just give some woman the words "she's a mother"? Don't you think this is somewhat disrespectful to the viewer? Why couldn't she have been found?
She's really an ordinary woman, yes. She's a nurse. She left a child because she gave birth at the age of 15 and had a problematic father. She wasn't afraid of being hated, she didn't want Ruby to have any problems. Real life will be shown in Season 2. They said about her life that she had a boyfriend. And I wouldn't say that they were very pumped up. The foster mother doesn't hurt because she supports Ruby. Despite the fact that she constantly works as a guardian. I do not know why it could not have been found, but it should be clarified with the RTD. And yes, no, I don't think so. Yes, there are shoals in the story, but still most of the questions were answered. I understand that they are weak and there is not enough detail somewhere, but again, they were. And the fact that Ruby will return in Season 2 means that they will continue to delve into this topic.
> about feeling sorry for the dead — my claim is that the doctor no longer saves people, he cries.
Well, I already wrote about this, he saves people.
Well, the rest is already delicious.
I'm hz, as you might not notice, but the scripts really seemed to be written on a timer. They let the screenwriters into a room without windows and clocks, and then they fly in with screams "HANDS ON THE TABLE" and we get a series with an interesting beginning and ending in the form of "well, in short, that's it, the end ". The end of the series is just terrible, no logic, no explanation.
Well, no one has been looking at the picture in this series for a long time. People love stories, but no one cares about the unsurpassed picture quality.
Again. Let's start with the facts. So Disney tied RTD's hands, forced him to do what he paid for at the time of the hype. Interfered with the work of RTD, Moffat, launched RTD into the room without a watch and then flew into the table with screams of his hand? Yeah?
It turns out RTD is a complete moron, bent under Disney. It turns out that when he was asked by the Air Force to return and they decided what kind of streaming they would cooperate with, creating the new season of RTD, I thought so:
"So let's choose a specially bad Disney, so that they tie our hands, interfere in the work, so that the scripts are specially bad, so that later they write nasty things about me on the internet and say that I bent under Disney"?
Is that how you think you are? It turns out that such an honored veteran of British TV, Russell T. Davis, who wrote a lot of different series, received a lot of different awards, and his last series "this is sin" collected incredible ratings, a lot of positive reviews, etc., in general, did not care about everything and what did he specifically decide to do sucks?
I do not know how to explain again so that you understand that Disney did not buy Doctor Who, Disney does not produce Doctor Who, Disney buys the rights to show Doctor Who. The series belonged and still belongs to BBS. Intellectual rights to the season belong to the Air Force. All revenue from merchandise and other products will go to the air force.
Before there was no Disney, different countries also bought the rights to show the series and financed it. In Canada, it was Sapce, in Australia it was ABC1, in the US it was BBC America and AMC in the last seasons, before that it was Syfy, and during the 13th Doctor it was HBO Max, in New Zealand it was TVNZ, in Brazil it was TV Cultura, In Russia in the beginning there was STS, then NST, Cy-Fi, Disney and a bunch of other channels and at the end KinoPoisk and so on.
But in 2022, they decided that it was time to move on to more serious streaming, to find such a partner that the series was easier to advertise and easier to show, so that it could be released simultaneously in all countries, and in some countries to show in dubbing. And for the first time in a long time in Mexico, Brazil, Italy, Germany, France, new series were immediately released in local dubbing.
Therefore, they decided to choose Disney, which is primarily aimed at the family audience, and DC is primarily a family series. Even though the budget has grown a little, he still doesn't have as much collateral money as it might seem. The budget of the new season is not close to the budgets of Star Wars and Marvel series.
Why am I writing this? I write all this not to justify RTD and its scripts, I write all this not to protect Disney, I write all this to show how business works and explain how funding works. And I'll say it again. Dinsey didn't buy Doctor Who, he has the rights to show the series outside the UK. He's only here as a younger brother who takes the series in essence in return. Because sooner or later the contract will end and the series may disappear from the Disney catalog, because new episodes do not belong to him, as happens very often with Netflix (remember Marvel series?) I have already written above, the series is being shot in the UK, in British studios, with British actors, the series is being shot by British directors, producers are all united British, the companies responsible for graphics are British, absolutely all the creators of the series live and work in the UK, not even a single producer from Disney is on the filming site, which I could somehow control the process of creating new series and drive a spoke in the wheels. At the same time, people respond to the creation of new series absolutely the same as 20 years ago. RTD, produced by Phil Collinson and produced by Bad Wolf owners Julie Gardner and Jane Tranter.
It is immediately clear that you do not read voice-over materials about the creation of the series. First, many years ago, RTD published the book "The Writer's Tale", which tells in detail about the creation of 3-4 seasons of DC and 3 seasons of Torchwood. I recommend that you check it out. Secondly, every month the magazine Doctor Who is published, where the processes of creating new series are directly described in detail, there was even a section "production diary", where it literally described on what days those or other drafts of the series were submitted. And there are also a bunch of voice-over videos that are released after the release of series, where many different interviews are shown with the creators of the series, and not only with some important people, but even with banal microphone holders, for example.
I can perfectly understand your disappointment and desire to find the culprits, but I think the problem here is much deeper and more complex. And as always happens with movies and TV shows, there are a lot of things that can go wrong. It seemed to me that it was just here.
Perhaps RTD is already tired of DC and he is now just earning funding for his new projects (yes, they often do that too, they go to write shit for a mouse corporation to give money for a normal project).
And what does this have to do with additional materials about season 3-4, I don't understand...
By the way, the most illustrative example of such earning at Disney was Taika Waititi, who did the devil knows what with the last Thor, but put a penny in his pocket.
>> They did not announce the purchase of the rights to the show, but rather the cooperation and financing of the series, which automatically gives this company the right to interfere in the creation process
The right to show this is cooperation and financing, I have even specifically described who they collaborated with before. But it seems that you deliberately ignored all the words about the fact that the series does not belong to them, and the last word still remains with the BBC, because DC is not a personal Disney series, like the same Percy Jackson, for example, to change everything to suit your wishes.
And about the fact that Disney will swallow someone under itself. Well, it concerns THEIR PERSONAL PROJECTS. Doctor Who is not their personal project, it is someone else's property. How can they control someone else's property? I'm waiting for a detailed explanation. And was there at least one project of someone else's production before that, so that they bent it under themselves?
Let's at least have at least one proof, how exactly did Disney interfere in the production of the new season? Some insider or something?
> And they also like to write in contracts what to say in interviews, how to answer questions and what to talk about in BTS (this has never happened and here it is again).
That's all fine, of course, but no one working on Doctor Who HAS SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH DISNEY. Because in the case of a new season, the employer is the BAD WOLF studio, which is directly involved in the development and filming of the series. Oops, it's awkward somehow! That's why Doctor Who didn't go on strike last year, when all the series stopped production, so the series continued to be quietly filmed.
gt; Perhaps RTD is already tired of DC
He was so tired of DC, so he returned to shoot two whole seasons and is already writing the third season right now, and the spin-off will start shooting soon, yes.
> and he's just earning funding for his new projects right now.
Does he have problems financing new projects? Why weren't there any problems before? Are you sure you're talking about RTD, and not about someone else? After leaving Doctor Who in 2010, all the roads in front of him were open and not to say that he stumbled somewhere so that they suddenly closed, his last series "This is a Sin" is still a rating hit, now literally any new project of his, any studio will quickly want to take development, because he has nothing to prove Don't.
And it's very funny to watch you running through the comments and whining, go on, honey, it flatters me)
What you're saying about Disney is generally news to me, because they don't fit together in my head, although, yes, I felt the changes from season 10, where the plot was more "independent". I don't really follow trends or social networks, and I didn't even know that the Doctor was so debating this year.
But I don't think that's the problem. Unfortunately or fortunately, in principle, political / social / etc. trends are increasingly influencing what we watch on screens, so comparing the Doctor of 2024 with the Doctor of 2015 is completely unfair.
I'm upset about the new season, no, I'm not excited. It seems to me that our eyes are already so dusty that I don't even remember the last time I was surprised at all in a good way by the series.
My comment does not contradict you in any way, I just wanted to share my thoughts that appeared after so many negative comments
But why is this Doctor such a crybaby?! Well, she cries in every episode!
The 11th once said: in 900 years of time and space, I've never met anyone who wasn't important. and the 15th delivered a huge monologue about ordinary people and far-fetched importance, trying to present the main idea of the most global mystery of the season so that at least at first glance it looked logical - but inside nothing moved, it did not resonate as it resonated after the words of the 11th. I am generally silent about the pretentious speech a la "I am life". there is a feeling that screenwriters need to dig less into lengthy monologues, and more often remember that "brevity is the sister of talent." but this is, of course, a matter of taste.
I didn't like the series. there were good episodes in the season, there were great ones, but the finale for me is just an impenetrable mess.
and so yes, to the companion whom I see for the first season and whose character I learn from scratch, I really have fewer questions than to the Doctor, it's strange how so of course.
Jokey is cool. Energy, vivacity, cheerfulness - you don't even doubt that this is a Doctor who returned to himself, to his character, after he was mentally shaken. And of course, everything did not go unnoticed, but he learned how to release emotions, cope, build relationships.
And how I missed this feeling of a filled universe where there are many characters, where the companion has a life outside the Tardis.
It's so lively, bright and comfortable that I really rested watching it.
Millie is charming, it was nice to see her as a companion and it would be great if she came to visit.
Ruby has very nice moms, both of them. The reunion is really charming
THIS Doctor is terribly clicky. Well, does he whine all the time? Well, it's impossible, about and without. In each episode, he lets out a tear and runs away. Throughout the season, Ruby handled mostly while the Doctor was standing on a mine and crying, while he was sitting in the tardis (and probably crying), while he was crying that the elite from the island went after him, crying when he couldn't understand a granddaughter-not a granddaughter. And he ran away: from the maestro, from the maestro, from Sutekh, from everyone in general. And thanks to the redhead (I forgot the name) for asking him to stop whining. It's a pity it didn't help
The phrase "I swear by a spoon" is very strange. Yes, there's a drama there, but it's still a cringe
I did not feel any emotions about the suffering of the Doctor on the topic of the universe dying!" and "Everyone is dead!" — it was too obvious that in half a series everything would be rolled back.
I don't even want to discuss plot things, there were a lot of things that I didn't like, there was a little bit that I liked, but the Doctor himself is absolutely not mine. I've been following him closely all season, I haven't made any hasty conclusions, but now I can say, no joke, not a fig, not a Doctor, but a pathetic parody, and it's very sad:(
The Doctor we all loved seems to be gone for a long time. Matt Smith is a long way away, Peter Capaldi is like a cancer to the moon. I'm not talking about Tennant at all, this level is unattainable)
The final is normal. A good ending. Not great, not terrible. Another enemy from the classics has been returned. By the way, the funniest thing about this circus with a soft reboot and a new numbering is that it felt like there were almost more references to the classics in this one season than some new school Doctors had in their entire era (and the season was shortened!) x) Fuck the garden Have you been in town, I ask? =3
Millie is infinitely beautiful, and causes nothing but extremely positive emotions, their interaction with Jokey is excellent, and he himself came to me as a Doctor, we approve. Just one request, stop cutting onions on the set, he LITERALLY roars IN EVERY episode, even Tennant held on more steadfastly x) If DC were Spider-Man, then Jokey would be Tobey Maguire =3
And the season as a whole turned out to be good. Two masterpieces in the form of "The Devil's Chord" and "Boom", a strong final two-part series, and interesting, although late to the end "73 Yards"with "Dot and Bubble". It's just weak - only Rogue, but the Space Babies haven't gone very far from it either. In general, the balance is 6 to 2, it turns out that it is worthy.
But the most important thing happened: after the desire to watch the series ongoing was completely killed in me by the cursed Chibnell with his cursed Timeless Child (and this was the only series that I watched ongoing and waited for every episode!), this season was still able to resurrect him, for which I am eternally grateful to RTD. So I'm finally looking forward to the next episode. Moreover, it is written by Moffat, a favorite ^_^
And then a couple of days passed, I exhaled, realized that the finale was not so imprinted in my memory to sort it out, and in the end I generally thought "OK, this is a restart, for a younger audience" (although it is strange and sometimes flirting head-on with plots from classics that this audience is definitely not dreaming about) and "just remember how you reviewed the Eccleston series at the age of 30 and how cringey they looked, unlike the first acquaintance with the series at the age of 16.".
It would be interesting to know the opinion of teenagers watching the Doctor for the first time in this performance. And for me, unfortunately, this ending will remain in importance somewhere at the level of the Adventures of Sarah Jane (which I really liked many years ago in their general naivety).
It was as if New School just fell into the trap of constant growth along with the audience, gained epicness and gradually went into such a more serious gloomy adult vibe that such childish naivety of the series seems stupid to old people. Well, yes, they put a divine being on a leash and squandered the universe like empty cans on a wedding wheelbarrow - a joke. They brought life back "by hinting at minus death" - is this of course also a watafak? But damn, this is a Doctor who solves many issues with a sonic screwdriver in general, which dick knows what principle it works on :D
Were there more elegant and mind-blowing plots? of course there were. Is this the worst two-part series? Not either. Not a bad average guy.
But it seems to me that the series will never have finales of the level of the first seasons anyway. That's why I stopped expecting an epic from them. I don't think even fresh blood will help the series. But as long as series like Boom or 73 Yards continue to be released, I'm ready to put up with such a sad scenario.
1. I liked it! There were strong moments, there were weak moments, but the atmosphere itself and the feeling that the Doctor has finally returned is there. "Neat, fresh and clean", and also able to live his pain, and not hiding it behind masks, hugs and averted gaze. I was surprised myself every time the Doctor cried and screamed, because it was new to me. Sometimes I saw something similar from the Eleventh, but less often.
2. I liked Ruby. There was sometimes a feeling that the actress was overreacting with emotions, but at the end of the season she seemed to level out. I liked that she was an ordinary girl and that her mother was also an ordinary person. We ourselves attach importance and significance to things dear to our hearts — this philosophy is clear to me and resonates.
3. I demand the return of Jonathan Groff, his Rogue was good!
4. I love the divine theme, I would love to look at other creatures from other religions.
5. I didn't like Sutekh's graphics, I could have done better, this dog is too childish. But there are no questions about how he was dealt with. I am a simple man, I believe in all the Doctor's explanations, in all his timey-wimey and unexpected gods from the car.
6. I easily said goodbye to the Chibnell era, there were no clear memories of his seasons, only a feeling of eternal lectures and notations. RTD also introduces the social, but it makes it softer and more subtle, without saying it to our face.
7. And finally, Joke. I accepted him as a Doctor right away. He is so energetic, so feeling and enjoying. Alive, in short. He can laugh at snot, he can flirt with a handsome man, he can dance at a party in a kilt. The blood is boiling!
But specifically the final 2 episodes... there are a lot of moments of emotional pressure that I wanted to squander, because the corn is already in place of the usual "buttons".
And the finale... A swing for a ruble, a blow for a penny, literally. It reminds me of something... Oh yes, the last three seasons of Star Trek Discovery! No, seriously: 2 hours of problems were solved in 3 minutes before disappointment in the simplest way.
In general, such a scheme can work, but if there were any eyeliners, brainstorming sessions, details that the viewer can then add up, all these two hours. And here it seems that they came up with a solution to the problem during the filming of the same final episode literally from improvised materials because screen time has expired. And they're like, "Oh, wait, we've spent so much time chewing the aahs and oohs of each character that it's time to tie it up as soon as possible."
And of those three minutes, the Doctor's pompous speech took another one. I recognize its objective necessity, given its age-old principles. But it still looked like the cliched speech of the villain before the murder of the hero, only the opposite. It would be more natural to express this to someone close to you.
Well, the smearing of guilt didn't go down well for me either. Probably because they include it very selectively. In particular, I see more reason to be self-righteous about that bounty hunter right up to his search, and to kill the killer... Well, such a reason to suddenly get steamed up. In Sutekh's situation, you expect the Doctor to "solve the problem urgently", and not the pretentious hand-wringing "it's all my fault!"
Either I'm getting old, or the audience is getting dumber, or the screenwriters are too lazy to deliver a real drama, and not hanging snot on far-fetched occasions. In general, if it were reduced to one episode, it would look more cheerful than kmk.
The finale of the finale against this background, the little things are illogical, but kind, I even burst into tears from the meeting.
In general, the last episode is weak. The same 73 yards caused an order of magnitude more powerful experience, and the swarm of incomprehensible crap around the tardis with strange sounds was also more frightening than a big talking doberman, it would be better if it did not materialize.
I really want the doctor to fly to look for rogue now and take him as a companion, but I already realized from the comments above that these dreams are not destined to come true. It's a terrible shame, such chemistry! It would be better not to tease.
and where is the reserve for the 2nd season?
I'm sorry for pesel))))
In general, I hoped that Ruby's mom would be a supernatural being. Or it will be connected somehow with the Doctor, the Tardis, with the doctor's granddaughter, well, or with old heroes from previous seasons. For example, the same Amy Pond.
And she's an ordinary little person.. Then why was Sutekh so interested in her?
We could have come up with something more interesting ...
Okay, we are waiting for the next season, it will be released in 2 years)
Ну и он точно будет в следующем году, его уже полностью отсняли
and I was afraid that I would have to wait 2 years)
thanks for the info)
Yes, I will keep watching, because this is one of the few series that I have been with for many years, and yes, I still am not bored, although there is no originality left at all. But Jokey is still not a Doctor and is unlikely to become one, and Ruby is a poorly acting actress, but a pretty good character and I would not mind seeing her as a companion again, but as it is.
PS maybe someone wrote about her, but there are so many comments...
Maybe the plot and plot twists are a little weak, but I really liked the Doctor himself. I just mentally rested while watching the season)