s03e11 — Deadly Echoes

@-Holycow-:
>scenario laziness
This is literally a cartoon based on the DND campaign, XS, what questions if the main script was known before the start of work on season 1

The rest of the questions are not difficult to answer, if you think about it

Why not implement it without the participation of Kilit?

Because the key points of the plan are tied to Mighty Nein - killing Tordak, killing other dragons.
After the murder, she can carry out the plan without Kilit, she just knows that she won't have time to do it before Kilit finds her, so she has to count on it.

Why can't Kilit conduct a reconnaissance?

Because Kilit is far from the most inconspicuous member of the group, this is not her specialty, plus here actually Raishan wants to resurrect their strongest opponent, plus make him stronger, not that there is a lot of time for exploration, especially when the enemy specializes in stealth and is waiting for you

The fact that she was cut off by the earth, on the contrary, is logical: everyone else could not block this attack, Kilit could. Literally: if you throw people into the river, then you will separate those who can swim from those who cannot
Plus, the fact that she can control the earth does not make her omnipotent in this regard

Last time, let me remind you, besides Tordak, there were also small dragons, and Tordak was in perfect health

@adoraboy: Iron arguments just don't fall, the DND campaign also has a scenario, I hope your world will be a little easier now... With the rest, I don't understand the reasoning at all: after the death of Tordak, what prevents Raishan from dying or dying from any NPC? Kilit literally sees anyone and their surroundings - what is the difficulty of intelligence? (the resurrection point is generally past, for those who are not in the subject, this is a surprise, it's just that Raishan has something in mind and she needs to be stopped, so it's not better to find out what it is specifically). About the earth - it is illogical, it would be possible to show that Raishan has more strength and experience, but here they showed that the squad was stupidly unprepared and merged, and Kilit got infected with stupidity from Grog and did not make any counterattacks and just chopped at random and if Raishan did not have a sinister plan, then she would just She killed everyone... I'm not against this development and I don't mind that it was exactly like that in the campaign, but it's bad adapted for the series and it's a shame...

@-Holycow-: Do you play board games according to the script? That's how the presenter, at best, has a general outline of the campaign plot, no more. The rest is purely creative. And yes, the blows in D&D do not depend on your desire and skill level, but on the cube. As it fell out, so they beat.

@Hidji: so the presenter has a general outline of the plot and he leads the players along it, and the cube affects the duration of the game, creative creativity fills the plot with details, but even I doubt that it is possible to finish the party by scoring the main quest and go live in the forest. Yes, this is a script, yes, it can be modified during the film adaptation. No, I can't imagine a board game in which there is no script and the participants, with their collective creativity, create at least something that has a beginning and an end)

@-Holycow-: This is the storyline. Not a script). A script is a role-based content of scenes, placement, actions, replicas of dialogues, and so on. In the game, it's all pure creativity. Does the die affect the duration of the game, but it does not affect the passage of blows and damage during battles? However). Well, let it be so, maybe something radically changed after that edition of AD&D that I found))).

@Hidji: I do not understand the essence of your stuffing. If you feel calmer, I'll spell out the word "script", but your pure creativity also limps on both legs if you naively believe that everything is based on it. And why did you get this cube? "You threw out a unit, twisted your leg and broke your neck, your adventure is over" - is this how it works?) Maybe you'd better explain what's going on with creativity in the final battle, why it makes you unspeakably sad..

@-Holycow-: The cube is just an answer to your complaint about how the fight developed. The way the numbers on the die fell out. If one falls out, then it really will not be possible to perform this or that action, and if twenty, you can also hit the dragon. Yes, it happens. And if you twisted your leg or slipped on the snot of a cold dragon, it was purely at the mercy of the presenter's imagination.

@Hidji: If there is a goal to complete the campaign and have fun, and not drain all the guests in the first half hour, then even a stable critical failure will not prevent this. And there is one claim for all times: if one thing is stated at the beginning, and after just a few minutes it is ignored and not explained in any way, then this is scenario laziness, and the cube there, the creative or the moon in taurus is the reason, it is not so important here. You know, I'm watching the series after all, and not the broadcast of the board game, but I would also have complaints about the original source at this point)

@-Holycow-:
>The dnd campaign also has a script
If you have played DnD and watched more than 3 episodes of the Kritroll, then you would know that this is almost nonsense. There are several videos dedicated to this, but here's the one I like the most:
https://youtu.be/ElDLf1TA2Go?si=e924iiYSFyA3iO5z
Yes, there are specific details that Matt is planning, but this does not mean that everything has a script, it's nonsense

>What prevents Raishan from dying or dying from any NPC
Are you watching the same show as me? She managed to complete the ritual only when Makin's Vox were ALREADY nearby, how do you imagine it? Does she complete the ritual and then die herself? Why, if you can do damage to a Kill?

>What is the difficulty of exploration
Well, hz, maybe it's because the show clearly showed that Raishan noticed how Kilit found out where she was? Maybe it's because, as I said, Raishan is an intelligence and stealth specialist herself??? It's like you haven't read what I've written.

>the resurrection point is generally past, for those who are not in the subject, this is a surprise
Firstly, in my argument, the resurrection itself is not so important, but in general, when a dragon dying of an illness steals the corpse of another, more powerful dragon, what else can you think??? And even if there might be something else, clearly a ritual involving the corpse of Tordak is a dangerous enough thing for the entire continent. Moreover, again, you saw for yourself that Makin's Vox managed to reach Raishan EXACTLY at the time of the end of the ritual, so no, there was no time to wait and find out specifically.

I'm not talking about the rest, it's really like we're watching different TV shows...

@adoraboy: Don't forget to put a minus under this comment too, it adds weight to your words. "Almost nonsense is nonsense" - convincing. You complete the ritual, you become invulnerable, you kill all living things, why is death at the hands of a Killer in this chain, it looked like there was no other way to complete the ritual. I read it and did not understand that you are explaining what it means "will not have time before it is found" where did you get this? Speculation? or are these some obvious things for desktop users? Why did the team manage EXACTLY? What are you trying to say? I see exactly the same thing as you, but everything is going great for you, although it only gets worse with an explanation... I don't understand how Kilet's forces work, why Raishan performed the ritual exactly the way she did it, what kind of tactics the squad had... Although if it is obvious to you what to do with the dragon's corpse, then, probably, we are really different)

@-Holycow-:
>This adds weight to your words
Putting a plus when I agree and a minus when I don't is LITERALLY the only + and - functionality on this site

>"Almost Nonsense is nonsense"
I sent a 20-minute video, is it convincing? "Nonsense" is just my assessment of your words, not an argument, because it seems to me that you have not watched more than 3 episodes of Critical Role and judging by the fact that you have not corrected me, I am right

>Why is death at the hands of the Kilet in this chain?
Once again, death is quite obvious why it is necessary - because Raishan needs it as part of the ritual to transfer himself into the body of Tordak. The fact that it is Kilit who should kill Raishan is not said anywhere, this is just what you are thinking about

>"it looked like"
>>Where did you get this from? Speculation?
These two phrases in one message look funny

>>You explain what it means "will not have time before it is found" where did you get this? ... Why did the team manage EXACTLY?
Because we saw directly in the series how they came to Raishan's cave exactly at the moment when she finished the ritual. We see her casting spells, then Kilit and the others enter the cave, then she finishes the spells and at that moment she is killed. I.e. literally, they entered EXACTLY at the moment when Raishan finished the ritual. This is shown on the screen.

>what does it mean "will not be in time before she is found"
That's what it means. Raishan saw how Kilit found her, Raishan knows this team and knows how long it takes them to get there

gt;I don't understand how the forces of the Kilet
Em work, but what exactly is unclear? That the ability to move the earth does not mean that it is omnipotent in controlling the earth?

The whole answer didn't fit into one comment, there will be a second one

@-Holycow-:
>Why did Raishan perform the ritual exactly the way she did it
And how else should I have? I.e. it's literally how the rules of the universe work. Such is the ritual

>If it's obvious to you what to do with the dragon's corpse
I've already explained that no, it's not obvious. It's obvious to me that if a strong enough dragon steals the corpse of the strongest dragon, it will have serious consequences. It is obvious to me that if a bunch of times in the series it was shown that Raishan was dying from the poison that ashari had put on her, if Raishan herself said that she planned to get rid of the poison and that the murder of Tordak was part of the plan, then she plans to do something with this corpse in the near future, before she died
That is, we have it on our hands: Raishan plans to do something with the corpse of the strongest dragon in the near future. Conclusion: this should be prevented in the near future

>What kind of tactics did the squad have
Well, it's clear that the tactic was for the squad to secretly get closer to Raishan while Kilit was talking to her, and then attacked. And it seemed clear enough that the plan had failed because Raishan had noticed them, so Kilit decided to attack anyway, not knowing that killing Raishan would end the ritual.

@adoraboy: If you consider the negative and the word "nonsense" to be an assessment, then I have bad news for you) Thanks for the video and recommendations - I didn't watch it. Death is not obvious, it is obvious after the fact, I do not think about it, I wonder (if a Kilet is not needed, if death is mandatory and if Raishan, according to you, is a master of stealth, then why this murder scene at all, if Raishan herself could have died perfectly well, etc. - I will save your time - Your answers are not they help). What's funny about the fact that they didn't explain to me how the ritual works and I'm figuring it out? You claim as if this is the truth and your confidence is not clear to me at all, to be honest. Do you feel the difference? The ritual is over (what kind of ritual and what does it consist of?), Raishan knows how long it will take (seriously?) - I wonder where such conclusions come from, although it is shown on the screen what I am doing... Kilet has upgraded to an earth golem and a jeep navigator and its potential is not obvious - why can't it work as the eye of Sauron and block elemental spells...

@adoraboy: cool, but can the actions of the characters also be explained by the rules of the universe? Raishan stole Thordak's corpse to perform the ritual of transmigration into his corpse, right? Kilet flew to her village, took a quick navigation course, assembled a team and rolled in just in time for the ritual to end, right? A ritual that I don't understand anything about, but that worked because because, right? Well OK... "The plan is shit..." and so on, no one argues with this, at least thanks for that)

@-Holycow-: why can't Raishan implement his plan without Kilet's participation
This is the life of a bot. He is waiting for the main character to come and be able to defeat him. If Tordak acted as a full-fledged villain and was caught off guard by this, then Raishan is just a character-a function and a source of experience. Maybe it was different in the gatherings, but here the timing devoured the character faster than the curse of ashari.
>Why can't Kilet conduct reconnaissance
Because the GM announces the disposition at the table: "You see the villain successfully completing the ritual. Your actions?"

@Slightly_Mad: That's the point) what is poorly adapted and pretending "how cool it all turned out" does not work)