s02e07 — Doomed to Die
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| Duration: | 72 min. |
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But the dialogues of Sauron and Kelibrimor are very interesting, I will definitely review them again. The tension between them is just hellish. The idea with the mouse and time reminded the effect of 25 frames :)) It was funny and sad.
Poor Mirdania-that's Sauron's reward. It was probably the hardest moment of the movie. The second was when Selibrimor decided to chop off his finger (it reminded Frodo and his finger bitten off by Golum, as a refusal to possess the ring). It all resembles such a dark fantasy.
And I have more and more suspicions that Adar may be Maglor, one of the sons of Feanor, who persecuted Elrond's mother and himself when he was a boy. Tolkien does not mention exactly how Maglor died after the War of Wrath at the end of the 1st epoch. The professor only says that Maglor's heart was so hardened that he could not hold the Silmaril in his hands, so he threw it into the sea, and he went into exile.
In general, this episode has a double impression, mixed feelings - I like it and not so much. In any case, there is something to think about, about the words of Sauron and about the true identity of Adar.
I feel sorry for the troll, it was somehow easy to deal with him.
And Celebrimbor is sorry, because of the weight of everything that happened to him, moreover, with his own active participation and diligence.
Only the motivations of the parties differ: in Helm's Pad, after all, the orcs went purposefully to kill people, and here Adar led them to capture Sauron.
In general, I do not insist on this comparison, it's just that flashbacks appeared at some points)
But in general it is strange, did Vasya really need the army of the Foothill kingdom to twist one old man, even if reinforced with a ring?
And it's clear that she was finished off so that she wouldn't suffer.
We recall the opening scene of the Lord of the Rings - 9 rings were given to the kings, but they were deceived and eventually became eternal slaves of the one ring.
The final reward for any work for Sauron is betrayal and deception.
Как то так
The creators of the series answer this question this way - the orcs have their own will and their own leader, but this did not add to their mind and they easily became a toy in the hands of Sauron, who used them to capture Eregion and Ost-in-Edil.
According to the logic of the series, elves are generally no better than orcs in battle. And the orcs in the first season were no stronger than humans.
And Gala is 10 thousand years old, which does not prevent her from fighting and distributing cradles to the left and to the right.
And Kelembrimbor is only 3 thousand years old, he is in full bloom.
You can also use the wiki. For example:
https://lotr.fandom.com/ru/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%84%D1%8B
Galadriel is quite young in the Second Epoch.
She didn't even have 10 thousand in the Third.
She was born only in 1362 of the Age of the Ancients.
By the way, according to the logic of this series, Adar also saw the light of the Trees.
And it turns out that she is not unique at all.
But here, of course, there is more of a question for the creators of the series, of whom there are so many...
Not all elves are the same.)
Well, this series was supposed to clearly show...
there are black elves, if Chinese elves... If you screw a dynamo to the professor's coffin, then the whole of Britain can be heated...
Or the only one who survived.
The last Uruk is perverted by Morgoth.
Who betrayed even Sauron after the "War of Wrath".
To be honest, against the background of the idiocy that is taking place, the Bombadil dug up, suspiciously similar to Saruman, a magician and a lover of butterflies - in a sense, I even sympathize with Adara.
Hopefully, he and Galadriel will get married in the end.)
The article says:
"The elves were similar to humans, but far superior in beauty. The most beautiful of the male elves was Feanor, and the most beautiful of the women was Luthien[12]. Elves by nature did not physically age[3], however, in the case of torture and overwork, they looked like a mortal exhausted by the burden of years."
That is, their bodies do not physically change, but a general lethargy is present. In short, this is the life of a person over 30 - it's harder to get up in the morning there, you come home from work and just watch TV and you don't want to do anything.
If initially Kelembrimbor had been all such beauties, all of himself, even if he had been rejuvenated with the help of computer graphics, and in the last series, he became old. That would be a very good move.
Celebrimbor is the grandson of Feanor, who created the Silmarils.
The correct term is "craftsman".
However, in the original, he also led the troops behind him to beat Sauron. He's an old man with Alzheimer's here.
It is also unclear why this Asian elf was inserted for such a ridiculous scene, who would be happy with such a representation
About the drama. The scene where the guards find out that their lord turns out to be normal, and that they were all deceived, had to be very strong. Imagine if the cameraman showed us the faces of all the elves who realized that they served Sauron. How would all these actors act out these emotions. It could have been a very beautiful scene if the creators of this series had not been imbeciles.
Arondir had the whole personal epic of this character and jumped coolly and shot fast and accurately and wielded a sword with a twist.. Sorry..
For the first time I watch the series, knowing that there is no need to hope for a positive outcome and anyway the inner child hopes that everything will be fine.
The actor playing Sauron is handsome, of course, such disgust and hatred in contrast to the first season played perfectly 10/10
The battle clearly echoes the battle for Helm's Fall. But hardly anyone will remember the battle from this series after even a small amount of time has passed. It seems that this series cannot scale at all. It is generally unclear how many defenders the fortress has. They showed several elves scurrying from side to side.
There are practically no general plans so that you can somehow assess the aspect ratio. The whole battle turns into a bunch of small clashes.
The moment of the cliff collapse is delusional. Even if we allow the collapse of just a few hits, it's still not clear where all the water went?
There have already been many comments about the scene with the elf archer. An obvious reference to Boromir. But why should her death be empathized with? She was in the frame for a few seconds before that. So they also put more arrows in her than in Boromir, in order to surpass him in some way.
We have already written about the guards above. At least they showed how it dawns on them that they served Sauron. Although why? Let them run from one to the other like dummies.
Why was the troll needed? It was destroyed in a few seconds. Moreover, this moment also does not make any impression.
There are a few more points, I will not describe everything. This is quite enough, taking into account the budget of this series.
I thought you were going to write something about the whole series, for example, that the canon is being turned into fan fiction, and you're talking about these little things.
And I'm not serious about fan fiction somehow. If you treat this series that way, then I don't see any point in wasting time on it.
I didn't come up with this about fan fiction. But if I were asked if I agree with this opinion, then I would answer - it's stupid to deny, because many points were really changed: the capture of East in Edil, for example, or the events in Numenor (like there was a division between the elite around palantir, although according to the canon around the relationship to elves and Valar); they combined events of different times into one branch (the reign of Ar-Farazon, the service of Elendil and Isildur and the creation of rings); well, they added all sorts of additional characters that were not in the canon.
Nevertheless, I'm watching, because these reinterpretations still do not greatly affect the main story, there are many positive moments, and I just love everything related to this universe and respect the work of all involved)
PS. Elrond, stop kissing your mother-in-law, it already smells like incest :lol:
I stand in solidarity with you !
I am also delighted with the battle. such tension, this tragedy was felt right through the whole series. And how I felt sorry for Elrond. God, what a pity. to the point of tears, this is his recurring - durin will come.
The drama in this episode was off the charts. I just felt it.
I also forget to mention it... I still find it a little strange that there is some humanization of orcs...
and also about horses. also like Elrond in tears after his horse was brazenly killed. and I immediately remember Aragorn's words about the fact that the horse has already seen enough war, it needs to be released. Damn, really, how much shit the poor horses have seen because of people.
By the way, Elrond is more of an nra to me this season. maybe because of the hair that grew back? let the hair be even longer, and maybe I'll love it.
Oh, yes. the song on the credits is ahah, well done. original
If you see ideas that have never existed, I advise you to go to an optometrist 😏
"However, this is what the sages of Eressea consider to be true: all the Quendi who fell into Melkor's hands before the fortress of Utumno fell were thrown into dungeons, and long, sophisticated tortures distorted and enslaved them; so Melkor brought out the disgusting Orc people out of envy of the elves and in mockery of them; the elves had them from now on, the worst enemies. For orcs are endowed with life and reproduce in the same way as the Children of Iluvatar; and Melkor, after his rebellion in Ainulindale, could not create anything that would live its own life or even have a semblance of life until the Beginning of Days; so the wise say. And in the depths of their evil hearts, the orcs hated the Master who had plunged them into such a miserable state, although they served him out of fear. Perhaps this is the most heinous of all Melkor's crimes, and it is most hated by Iluvatar" ("Silmarillion").
Sympathetic
Or the screenwriters will take the plot to Gandalf's search for his staff and Durin's attempt to overthrow his father
It's good that the line with Gandalf was not shown in this series. She wouldn't fit in here.
- Why did Gil-Galad miss most of the battle?
- He was waiting for the armor expander to arrive.
(all the disadvantages will be deserved)
But maybe in the centuries that remain before the battle with Sauron, he will be pumped up, and turn into a real king of the elves.
This is the most terrible episode in two seasons. This is the worst-staged battle I've seen. In the series, you can almost frame-by-frame analyze the ingenious moves of the screenwriters.
When the army of elves first appeared, I thought they would rush at the orcs taking advantage of the surprise effect, knowing that there were fewer of them. They stood up and began to wait for the orcs to reorganize.
The army is rushing towards the Orcs. One prisoner is seen in a cage:
- Elrond, psst, was she in the books?
- Yes, she is a key character
- Soooooo, everyone stop
Negotiations with Adar? Instead of leaving all differences for a while after eliminating their common enemy, they exterminate each other.
It's enough for an elf to shoot one arrow at Adar and end the war while he buries his own, and he listens to Galadriel's dumbest suggestion and leaves.
The battle itself is something with something, there are no comments at all.
I had a feeling the whole episode that Sauron would not stand it and tell Celebrimbor that you owe me 9 rings, because Tolkien had it written in the book.
Sauron's power is so huge that it is limited only by the story armor of the characters who are supposed to appear in the Lord of the Rings.
With such power, he could have gotten all the rings he needed a long time ago.
It is worth adding that the river has somehow turned into a field where you can even walk, as if there is asphalt.
And for some reason, not a single orc uses a shield.
And Sauron's brilliant plan, which everyone here admires, I can't understand at all, it's like he shot himself in the foot.
But Arondira, why is it so easy? Just because the actress who played his love left? Well, it's a so-so scenario move.
And let's have more dark Sauron, it suits him and Charlie gives out a class, playing him like that. Stop making him look like a fluffy white guy.
Screamed from Galadriel's face after Elrond 's kiss 🤣
So I was already waiting for Sauron's duel with Galadriel in this series, well, of course, the most delicious was left for last.
So, in order: I feel sorry for Elrond's horse, it always makes my heart ache in such films when animals suffer because of people in wars. Mirdania and Celebrimbor. And also a group of elves who went with Celebrimbor to Sauron. I somehow felt a heaviness, a bitterness. They knew for sure that this was the end. Arondir is also a pity, although I can't say that I liked the character.
At first I thought Elrond had Jacob Black syndrome from Twilight, but in the process, it was a tactical kiss. It's already felt better. By the way, after the series, she treated Aramayo negatively In your eyes, now she has changed her mind for the better.
Not all orcs, as it turned out, are "ideological". And not such an Adar "dad". I won't let you be enslaved, so it's better to die here.
Gil-Galad was pleased on the battlefield. Fighting elves in armor suits him better than walking around in pompous golden robes.
From dawn to the last, I hoped that Durin would come, like Gandalf and Eomer, it seemed to me that even the picture looked like it was drawn, but I was disappointed. Of course, your people are more important.
And of course Sauron. What an asshole! But for now , I'm in his power and I can't resist. It's not for nothing that Charlie has auditioned 8 times, this role definitely suits him. This season, he is so cold, domineering, and at least they have begun to show some of his strength. I would like to see it in full force as soon as possible. Besides Darth Vader, I can't even remember which of the villains I had such sympathy for.
The standby mode is activated. I wonder where this season will end. It seems to me that either the forging of the Ring of Power, or, as one of the commentators wrote for the previous series, captivity in Numenor.
And finally, I looked at the actor playing Adar this season without makeup, he would have been quite suitable for the role of Elendil, but Lloyd Owen is certainly a top.
But what I really don't like is that it's almost the end of the second season, there are so many episodes (almost an hour each), but they hardly develop the characters. Except for Sauron, Celebrimbor, Elrond, Galadriel, and a couple more, the rest of the screenwriters don't care. This elf seemed to jump normally, but somehow I don't care about his death (if he died), Mirdania doesn't care, some archer with the last arrow doesn't care at all (I don't even remember if she was in other series), Elrond also looks at a horse like that... That's how they shoot, like it should be some kind of emotional moments, but I'm not sure if anyone cares. The same Hobbits are under threat this season, but I think fate is just as indifferent. It is clear that these are mostly minor characters, but it would still be possible to work better with all of them. Two seasons, and interesting characters (even among the main ones) 2-3 at most.
The death of the troll touched more than all these nounames.
Well, as for the battle, there is some very strange direction. It is clear that there is money, decorations, graphics... But for some reason, the epic is stuffed at the expense of some extremely stupid scenes like the death of an archer (which we see for the first time, but death is served with pathos like Boromir's) or...The orc who slaughtered the horse...? Torn frames, quick glues really kill the feeling of epic, which should be present here anyway, and even a pancake can - everything looks really expensive. There is no sense of time - it is getting light, it is getting dark, it is getting light again, Celebrimbor says that he has been sawing rings for several weeks, it is not clear how long the siege has been going on. In battle, the same way - Elrond gets up from a defeated troll in the middle of the night, gluing - and it's already light as day. At the same time, on the battlefield, everything that happens revolves around one siege weapon, which apparently hammers into this wall day and night
It's a pity for Mardania, not because her character stood out in some way, but because of how Sauron treated her, who completely ingratiated himself with her. It is in this series that Sauron already looks like true evil. But how damn good is he in this role of his
and Sauron, motionless in the midst of chaos, is just a piece of fire.
It's kind of strange: Durin is talking about Sauron stealing the secrets of forging from dwarf ancestors... but after all, he knew all this long before the dwarves even appeared from under the hands of Aule. most likely, Maiar Aule taught the first dwarves, and perhaps Sauron was still among these teachers.
Well, orcs practicing funeral burning is powerful. a self-aware civilization.
and the battle is already in the light of day, and the orcs at least don't care, although they used to squeak from burns.
and the music in the credits is in the heart.))) ironically.
but in general, the battle, which stretched over the entire series as a background for meaningful dialogues, did not excite and did not bring a sense of epicness. but the fact that there is devastation all around and that the Eregion as a cultural center has a finite end is very suitable.
and tell me if I'm wrong, but the concept of Sauron's costume was invented by Fobs, who drew such a bow for him 10 years ago.
Elrond and Galadriel kissed - I'm shocked, although it's clear that for the sake of a lock pick, but now it will be a pity that there will be no more love between them
It's a pity for Durin and Elrond, it's a pity for everyone, Sauron wants to strangle as always, but in general everyone died (I didn't expect, by the way, that the dark-skinned elf would die so suddenly, it seemed that he had prepared some kind of cool role for a long time, but apparently not)
And so I really like the series and the series in general. I've read books and I don't understand Haight.
Hennaid evyr ❤️
1. Celebrimbor's awareness that he is in an illusion. In general, I like the dynamics of Keleb and Sau, the best duo of Middle-Earth (hello to the games about Talion).
2. The "Betrayal" of Durin Jr. At first it was thought that there would be Helm's Pad 2.0, but everything turned out to be more prosaic. And the "betrayal" is quite justified, the dwarves have their own problems with the would-be king there. It was even more pleasing than the banal happy ending, where everyone helped each other, all evil was defeated, they went to drink beer and dance.
3. Well, this point follows from the previous one. This is the "Durin will come" from Elrond that was felt right. I really felt sorry for him. And Gil-Galad's look at this moment speaks volumes.
In general, the rest can be thrown in the trash. Especially the soapy cgi face of Adar at the end. Why was it needed at all? Did their actor die in the middle of filming? Why is there a graphic, for what?
And do you remember how Gotmog, during the siege of Minas Tirith, spat on the stones that smeared his fighters?
No, now the orcs are asking Adar in the middle of a fight if he loves them.
Ambition vs honesty
I am glad that he understood a lot!
Are the rings melting because of Mithril or Sauron's blood?
I immediately remembered "Two fortresses", I really liked it, before that everything was a little boring anyway
Russian autosabs: [grunting]
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There is no epic in the battle, no tension, no soundtrack so that you don't breathe and sit on the edge of the sofa (I say hello to Howard Shore). Cinematically, well... everything is visible ahah, but visually *very* standard — I already wanted to review the Battle of the Bastards from IP. In general, not Helm's Span. Gil
-Galad's cavalry is also nothing compared to the Rohirrim wedge, of course. Those scenes after 20+ years give me goosebumps, but here everything is not twisted, alas.
Celebrimbor is the star of the episode, of course. It may not be a Celebrimbor from my head (with a lot of Shadow of Mordor influence on his image), but they prescribed an arch for him, and there are no questions for Charles Edwards. They got very decent dialogues with Charlie Vickers. And they're both good at these scenes.
In general, this branch is with Annatar's relationship/Sauron and Celebrimbor are curious. One manipulator is a gaslighter: "it's not me torturing you, it's you torturing yourself, " - and the second one seems to have ADHD in hyperfocus, everything is in a fog, wedding-wedding rings-rings. But the rings are beautiful, which is true.
Sauron was dressed nicely. This shoulder pad? The scales are just great. And in general, there is zero claim to costumers. People are trying.
There was a funny shot at the beginning of the episode.
Eregion: *lit*
Celebrimbor: mmm seagulls from a glass in a cup holder 🥰
Where are the screenwriters taking Galya and Elrond? To sin?? 😅
Elrond: * kisses Galya*
Celeborn, Celebrian and Arwen: 👀 👀 👀
I was really waiting for the dwarves to appear on the horizon and give a cradle to the orcs, but alas☹️
But in general, the battle was very epic. Anatar has assembled a powerful army and even easily fights back against experienced elves himself. I am really looking forward to what will happen next.🤞
But at least it became clear what kind of insults the elves had against the dwarves in the movies, that they did not come to the rescue. Somehow I've missed this moment before.
"После падения Ост-ин-Эдиля Элронд соединился с Келеборном и выжившими эльфами Эрегиона; их чуть было не разбили гнавшиеся за ними по пятам силы Саурона, однако силы эльфов неожиданно получили помощь от напавших на фланги Саурона гномов Дурина из Мории. После этого Саурон остановил своё наступление и после долгих боёв всё-таки отбросил силы гномов назад, однако сделать с ними он почти ничего не смог, ибо врата Казад-Дума были закрыты. После этого Саурон затаил глубокую ненависть к Мории и приказал оркам беспокоить гномов при любой возможности."
And multitasking: he drove up to everyone, dammed the river, besieged the city, destroyed the wall, squeezed out the ring, well, the icon of bisexuality is simple.
If Elrond and Galadriel hadn't been such narrow-minded racists, they would have teamed up with him, sneaked through the tunnel and carried Sauron out together.
It's a pity that his own, apparently, an orc in a bonnet, will kill him out of the blue.
Against the background of the general fierce fanfiction, the canonical vibe of Sauron stands out sharply. The actor, of course, is a smart girl.
In general, the actors here are great.
Момент поцелуя Элронда и Галандриэль. Ее брови, как отдельный вид искусства 😂 3 раза пересмотрела)
Тролль. Судя по всему, ему вообще наплевать на авторитеты, и не свойственно сочувствовать своим (оркам, непонятно насколько они свои, если он их успешно походя поедал) так вот, интересно, как его вообще при таком раскладе уговорили во всем этом учавствовать)
Орки и солнце, тут уже не раз упомянулось, но пояснения нет... Сначала они поют траншеи, чтоб передвигаться днём под землёй, и потом просто забыли что оно вроде как их жалит. Мда.
Смерть Мирдании была предрешена, сразу же как она неожиданно проявила странные способности медиума, и чуть не раскрыла Саурона. Очевидно что он воспользовался руками Келебоимборна, для того чтоб скинуть ее со стены. Как контролировал эльфов, что пришли его "арестовать".
С гномами конечно непонятка. Зачем им армия, для того чтоб задержать и запереть короля? Понятно что кольцо его наделило силой, но не настолько чтоб понадобилась армия... А зло глубин в этот момент не было разбужено, чтоб предположить что армия должна сдержать его. Короче, странно. Дурин мол с частью отряда пойти ловить отца, но отправить армию эльфам.
For some reason, in the scene where Elrond is strenuously waiting for the dwarves, I remembered a shot from the Hobbit, when the army of elves turned around at the moment of the battle for Erebor (thranduil then turned back on a horned deer with a facial expression, fuck him), and thus "returned the favor" to the dwarves for this fuck-up?
Гномы всё это время чилили в своей андеграундной сычевальне (кроме удара в жопу Чорному Властелину из Мории после взятия города).
1. The Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth
2. The Lord Of The Rings Battle for Middle Earth II
3. The Lord Of The Rings,The Rise Of The Witch King
Экшон:
1. Middle-Earth Shadow of Mordor
2. Middle-earth Shadow of War
P.S.
The Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth перевыпустили с перебалансировкой баланса. не знаю когда, я то играл вообще в 2007. Так вот, в 20-ых годах попытался я снова за Мордор поиграть. Лютая мясорубка. Проходить практически невозможно, орки могут брать лишь количеством. Кавалерия Рохона и Гондора сметает армии под чистую.