I just watched the new episode of Eldest. This time the series is a bit chaotic, maybe because it is very full of different events and new characters. And someone is just not here : and new halflings :) and the wives of the Ents, and the dead, and the amazing Tom Bombadil! I am so glad that the creators of the series showed him as I recognize him from the Professor's books. He is both a funny man and a songwriter, and mysterious and wise.
I am increasingly sticking to the version that Istar and the Evil Wizard are Blue Magicians who appeared back in Middle-earth in the 2nd epoch (according to Tolkien). The creators of the series decided to make them a kind of prototype of the relationship between Gandalf and Saruman.
There is a lot of dark memory of the past in this series, which awakens and tightens around one center. The gloom, the horror intensifies, pumping up a heavy premonition. It is sad to see the ongoing conflict between Elrond and Galadriel.
In general, the series keeps in suspense, although a little chaotic.
Iamliam23
06 Sep 00:41 # Show original
@fb1273958: Yes, Gandalf is!!! :)
Hidji
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06 Sep 01:04 # Show original
@fb1273958: well, yes, well, yes, and Tom prophesied to the Blue Magician that he would overthrow Sauron))).
fb1273958
06 Sep 07:06 # Show original
@Hidji: it's not evening yet, let's see who's right)
Iamliam23
06 Sep 21:06 # Show original
@fb1273958: Yes, everything is more than obvious, Tom has revealed the prophecy and this is exactly what Gandalf will do)
MarkRaffer
06 Sep 16:00 # Show original
@fb1273958: What are you doing with your bruises and bruises? who remembers about them at all?
ViktoryMartini
05 Sep 16:52 # Show original
I didn't understand how the elf managed to persuade the trees to let people go. I just told the trees unrelated phrases and they were like, "let them go."
fb1273958
06 Sep 07:07 # Show original
@ViktoryMartini: No, he talked about forgiveness and that and calmed the ent woman down.
DeanVenture
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06 Sep 18:50 #
@ViktoryMartini: эльф лайф мэттэр
Нелюдь
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05 Sep 19:09 #
So he's a great big Grand-Efl...
Yuven
05 Sep 19:59 # Show original
The first film incarnation of Tom Bombadil... For once 😂😂😂
Iamliam23
06 Sep 00:46 # Show original
@Yuven: They could still show the Rings in the Brotherhood, but there was a lot of events there anyway, the timing is already gigantic. Thanks for That too!)
Zlogorek
10 Sep 09:49 # Show original
⠀ ⠀@Yuven: ">> The first film incarnation of Tom Bombadil"
Not the first one. Tom Bombadil has already been in the 1991 TV play "The Guardians" (Leningrad television, director: Natalia Serebryakova). And there was a gold piece there too. ⠀https://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/145938/annot/ ⠀https://old.myshows.me/view/72487/ ⠀
msev
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10 Sep 13:41 # Show original
@Zlogorek: You would also remember the production in the TYUZ of Magadan in some dreary 1988. The production, of course, was recorded, so this is a TV play.
I once tried to watch these "Guardians" on Youtube - it was enough for a minute and a half 😏
bazatron
05 Sep 21:39 # Show original
"Have you ever touched a green tree with an axe?" - No, Of course not! (he didn't ask about the saw...)
blaik_13
05 Sep 22:47 # Show original
The picture is always on top! The plot is gaining momentum! And then it seemed that the first 3 episodes were being handed over to the first season Did you really not understand how the elves got away from the dead? And just thought that Galadriel was a bit of a rag this season, as the ending shook her up)
Tom_Paris
06 Sep 00:44 # Show original
@blaik_13: in the same place, the literals showed that the dead were defeated by the weapons that were buried there with them
Iamliam23
06 Sep 21:30 # Show original
@blaik_13: Galadriel is like this: I will go with you, so as not to let the squad die, not to let you die (Elrond). When the wights attacked, her very first one was almost extinguished and Elrond saved her and the whole squad 😀
Zy4
05 Sep 23:20 # Show original
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kathrine_adams
05 Sep 23:33 # Show original
Over time, the series is still a mess. While Elrond, Galya and their squad are winding hundreds of kilometers on foot through the forests, a couple of days pass in other lines. Most of all in the series I liked the interaction of the Wanderer and Tom Bombadil. I was surprised to realize that the role of the latter, it turns out, was taken by Rory Kinnear, and he is an excellent actor. Interest in this character immediately grew)) The scene with the ents was also not bad. Otherwise, it's neither shaky nor loose. Action, maybe, would have diluted the atmosphere, but the elves walked with painfully lean faces, there was no desire to worry about them. Although the scene where Arondir and Isildur were sucked into the mud was normal.
naravi
10 Oct 17:04 # Show original
@kathrine_adams: I also love Rory, even after the movie "Rod male")
dieluise
05 Sep 23:39 # Show original
of course, the actress grace Orlando Bloom is missing, the scene with the orcs looks somehow clumsy and unnatural
ViktoryMartini
05 Sep 23:49 # Show original
In this series, the elves have no grace at all as such 🫠 the most graceful elf here is Sauron, who is not an elf at all
Hidji
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06 Sep 01:18 # Show original
@dieluise: elves must be gender and racially diverse and in no case stand out for their perfect appearance, grace and grace). I'm still waiting for Arabs, Asians and Blacks to finally start playing in Indian westerns too)))).
Nog
06 Sep 01:48 # Show original
@Hidji: Indians are not allowed, they are also minorities)
Hidji
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06 Sep 01:54 # Show original
@Nog: Um, yes) Apparently, that's the only thing that stops). So many people imagined themselves not only as orc elves in childhood, but also as Indian cowboys, which means they should also be diverse.
Nog
06 Sep 01:59 # Show original
@Hidji: as for the cowboys, there were many blacks and Indians among the real ones, but the established image has become so established that attempts to pay tribute to historical truth are perceived as a tribute to inclusivity) But this is completely offtop.
Hidji
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06 Sep 02:03 # Show original
@Nog: I don't argue, there were also a lot of Mexicans. And I don't even resent this account ever. But so far only whites have played Indians (yes, I remember all these films of fraternal Slavic peoples), there are not enough other representatives))). But this is really a good offload...
Tiinsa
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07 Sep 13:45 # Show original
@Hidji: the elves won't sue you, and the Indians are already running)
Hidji
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07 Sep 14:54 # Show original
@Tiinsa: I'm trying to remember if the Greeks or Egyptians sued Netflix for their Cleopatra of the wrong color. Although it doesn't matter, it was still zero sense).
Impending_Sky
05 Sep 23:57 # Show original
- Hey, did two half-breeds run through here? - Nope! - Well, lan, we'll go then
The logic has left the chat, but at least because of the atmosphere it's nice to watch)
DeanVenture
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06 Sep 18:52 # Show original
@Impending_Sky: logic had deserted her even earlier, when first he slapped her in the face, then on such a, hold your hand, how are you madam?
Impending_Sky
06 Sep 19:45 # Show original
@DeanVenture: yes, there was some kind of unfortunate scene from kvn)
KirindasRoman
23 Sep 05:20 # Show original
@DeanVenture: yes, it seems that the bream is just logical, so that you immediately understand that you need to tell the truth otherwise it will be worse.
Iamliam23
06 Sep 21:09 # Show original
@Impending_Sky: I was waiting for what would happen according to the classics, they would give them a choice: either we kill all of yours, or you tell us where the halflings are. But these just left when they were told no) And this despite the fact that the dark wizard gave this man with a mask one last chance.
Impending_Sky
07 Sep 22:28 # Show original
@Iamliam23: I also expected exactly this, but let's pay tribute to the screenwriters, they were able to surprise with a non-trivial 180-degree turn XDD
Iamliam23
07 Sep 23:17 # Show original
@Impending_Sky: As an option: a man in a mask could put a sword to his throat and start blackmailing the halflings, saying if they don't give up the furry legs, he will cut himself 😀
Nog
05 Sep 23:58 # Show original
The deaths came out quite at the level, except that these burials in Tirn Gortad will arise in about fifteen hundred years.
Bombadil at first glance is not bad, there is a necessary and inherent eccentricity in it.
Hidji
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06 Sep 01:11 # Show original
@Nog: they appeared much earlier. But the Angmar sorcerer stirred them up after a couple of thousand years, yes. I was already thrown up by the phrase Pebbles that evil is in the Burial Grounds)))
Hidji
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06 Sep 01:58 # Show original
@Hidji: Upd: by the way, after this series, I am inclined to the version expressed earlier by Smiley in discussing the personality of the evil sorcerer that this is the Angmar sorcerer king, who for some reason was transferred from the Third Epoch to the Second. Big deal, a couple of millennia. All the threads converge on this, including now the Dead.
Nog
06 Sep 02:03 # Show original
@Hidji: Well, he didn't appear right away as the wizard king of Angmar. At first he was just a mighty ruler, received one of the rings, turned into a nazgul, and then founded Angmar. So there are no big contradictions here, his original identity is still not reliably known.
Hidji
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06 Sep 02:07 # Show original
@Nog: Damn, I'm not talking about personality, I'm sad about time. He's already attacked Arnor, millennia later. And the Dead only then rose from their graves. By the way, the ring kind of contributed to this. And here, out of nowhere, they just picked it up ahead of time...
And he's also kind of a native Angmar, not a Shaolin grandfather from the desert.
Nog
06 Sep 02:15 # Show original
@Hidji: maybe the elves will attribute this to Sauron here, somehow the burials will calm down, and then the KCH will awaken them anew.
fb1273958
06 Sep 07:14 # Show original
@Nog: Not really. According to Tolkien, the first burials were first mentioned in the 1st epoch, when people (including the followers of Morgoth) reached Beleriand (this is about the 3rd-5th century of the First Epoch). That's why I liked how the dead were shown as the living dead, dressed in an oriental-Easterling manner.
Yes, the Sorcerer King Agmar woke up the dead in the 1600s of the 3rd Epoch. But again, if the burial grounds themselves have already existed since the 1st epoch, then there is scope for interpretation and I do not see a direct serious contradiction)
christinapirs
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06 Sep 00:58 # Show original
It's a shame that one elf from the squad died, but it was understandable even when they had to go through the forest (But I thought that the ring would save someone. At first, Galadriel was very pleased with the sincere conversation with Elrond in the middle of the series, but in the end he was offended at her again at the end, eh (Well, don't make up, you don't, you like their friendship so much ( In the end, I thought that Halbrand would appear, but then Adar drove up, it's funny who will be against whom now that everything is in contention, I hope Galadriel will still get to Celebrimbor While season 2 has sunk into my soul more than the first, but not by events, but by some kind of sincerity, I've been waiting for a new series all week, it hasn't been like this for a long time And there was a very touching scene between a tree with flowers and an elf, it just took my soul away
fb1273958
06 Sep 07:17 # Show original
@christinapirs: Yes, I also really liked about the tree with flowers, pain and forgiveness. Very emotional.
Hidji
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06 Sep 01:06 # Show original
Soooo, what the hell! The burial grounds, which were quiet throughout the Second Epoch and the Numenorians buried their kings here after the Exodus, too, and only the Angmar sorcerer raised the Dead strongly in the Third Epoch, suddenly came to life??? What's with the out-of-phase timeline? Otherwise, it was interesting, although the same problems remain).
fb1273958
06 Sep 07:18 # Show original
@Hidji: According to Tolkien, the first burials were first mentioned in the 1st epoch, when people (including the followers of Morgoth) reached Beleriand (this is about the 3rd-5th century of the First Epoch). That's why I liked how the dead were shown as the living dead, dressed in the oriental - Easterling manner.
Yes, the Sorcerer King Agmar woke up the dead in the 1600s of the 3rd Epoch. But again, if the burial grounds themselves have already existed since the 1st epoch, then why would evil not start there)
After all, reading books on the History of Middle-Earth (Christopher Tolkien) gives you more understanding of the context of events. :)
Hidji
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06 Sep 07:21 # Show original
@fb1273958: then reading these books would also give you an understanding that there was no evil there in the Second Epoch, and the Numenorians who founded Arnor after the Exodus revered the Mounds as a holy resting place of their ancestors and buried their kings here.
Moreover, the Hobbit blades picked up in the Burial Grounds were forged to fight the Angmarans. Should I remind you when there was a war with Angmar? That is, the Dead were first raised not earlier than the blades were created))).
fb1273958
06 Sep 07:37 # Show original
@Hidji: Yes, you are right, there is no mention of any evil in the burial grounds in the second epoch. But if the burial grounds themselves have existed since the first epoch, then to bring evil into them or into part of them - I do not see any special problems with this version of events. For me, this is a small change in the canon, which does not violate the general idea of Tolkien's books.
Hidji
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06 Sep 07:52 # Show original
@fb1273958: I repeat, the blades from the crypts of the Dead, with which they were killed. They are Arnorsk). I'm trying to find Arnor and Angmar in Middle-earth before the fall of Numenor). No. Well, yes, a small change. The smallest thing. And the holy graves of the ancestors suddenly became the habitat of ancient evil, which is better to avoid. It's also a small thing. I understand that Dol Guldur has been built for about a millennium, and the ghosts of the Gondorians are also somewhere in the mountains, slowly, waiting for Aragorn))). You can also introduce the Eye of Sauron into Mordor, without being petty.
Iamliam23
06 Sep 21:20 # Show original
@Hidji: What makes you think they're Arnor's?) If Numenor has not fallen yet and you yourself say that Arnor appeared much later, when the Numenorians came to Middle-earth. There were just some burials from about the 500th year of the 2nd epoch and these people had some kind of weapons, which they were buried with. Or do you think the burial grounds have only learned to make in Arnor?)
Hidji
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06 Sep 21:26 # Show original
@Iamliam23: it's rude to poke). And I took it from the fact that it is written in Tolkien. In plain text. And these are not just any burials, but specifically Mounds, about which a lot is also known from the Legendarium. And the books explained that these swords are able to kill the Undead precisely because they were forged to fight the darkness by the Numenorians. Conventional weapons are useless against them. And what is the five hundredth year of the Second Epoch in general, where did you get this date from???
Iamliam23
06 Sep 21:40 # Show original
@Hidji: I took the date from the words of the elf, he said that people were buried here more than a thousand years ago. Well, imagine that these are some other mounds, what's the problem? It doesn't bother you that rings are forged at the same time as the reign of Ar-Farazon)
Could it be that the people of Beleriand, after the Great Battle, went not only to Numenor, but also to Middle-earth? The creators of the series decided that it could be. And why not, there is a lot of such nonsense in the series, it does not affect the canon and the main events in any way.
Hidji
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06 Sep 21:51 # Show original
@Iamliam23: Similarly, one of the elves said it was Turn Gortad. Did you hear the date, but not the name? Or is it like that in all cemeteries, right? I don't see any point in pretending to be an idiot, for whom such a move is designed, but I won't forbid you))).
Iamliam23
06 Sep 21:58 # Show original
@Hidji: The following is written on wikipalantir: In the First Age, the lands of Turn Gortad were first inhabited by humans, the ancestors of the Edain, before they went to Beleriand. They were the ones who built the first mounds. Therefore, the elf says that they are more than 1000 years old. You don't really know the canon.
Hidji
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06 Sep 22:59 # Show original
@Iamliam23: in the First Epoch. Not the Second One, as you claimed. Exactly. The ancient Burial Mounds of the ancestors, the holy lands where there was no darkness, and the Numenorians founded the kingdom of Arnor here in tribute to them, buried their kings and heroes. And only during the war with Angmar in the Third Epoch, the sorcerer king raised the Dead from the graves with his dark magic, which could only be killed by enchanted blades against Angmar evil. That's exactly what I wrote above. Where are the discrepancies?
Iamliam23
07 Sep 09:54 # Show original
@Hidji: Above, you convinced us that these are the Arnor burials. I've given you proof that the burials took place much earlier. Here is a link to the article, just in case: https://lotr .fandom.com/ru/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8
Without even reading this article, I assumed that there could be other burials, which is logical, and the article once again confirmed this.
Tell me, what are you arguing with here? That there could not be near-Norse burial grounds or what?
Hidji
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07 Sep 12:06 # Show original
@Iamliam23: for those who are in the eye, please re-read the first comment. About the fact that the Burial Grounds were quiet throughout the Second Epoch. Initially, he claimed that these were ancient graves of his ancestors. And he asked me not to poke. I don't like incomprehensible people and I don't argue with you anymore.
fb1273958
12 Sep 11:54 # Show original
@Hidji: and who trained the Sorcerer King Angmar - wasn't it Sauron?) Why doesn't he do the experiments of awakening the dead in the Second Epoch himself, and then take into account the mistakes and teach others?) He's a researcher of darkness :)
Iamliam23
18 Sep 22:58 # Show original
@Hidji: Well, they were calm in Tolkien, they added here that they came to life and I don't see any problems at all, because Sauron could wake them up with a flick of one finger. What's the problem? There is a lot of such nonsense in the series, which does not contradict the history of Middle-earth.
Morvein
06 Sep 07:54 # Show original
So the series gallops all the way. There are fifteen hundred years between the appearance of the three rings and the reign of Ar Farazon, and here everything seems to happen in one summer.
fb1273958
12 Sep 11:55 # Show original
@Morvein: and how do you imagine the creation of the series in how many seasons in 100 to cover all 3,000 years of the 2nd epoch? And why? I like that they decided to speed things up and give them more drama.
Morvein
13 Sep 08:13 # Show original
There are no options between "show 3,000 years on the screen in 100 seasons" and "drive the plot like not into yourself", in general, does not exist?)
fb1273958
13 Sep 09:18 # Show original
@Morvein: it may exist - but we won't find out, you can write your own version :) it will be interesting to read)
Hidji
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13 Sep 13:23 # Show original
@Morvein: Actually, there is a tendency that the series will be stuffed not even 3, but 5 + thousand years. If, for example, it comes to the point that the dwarves wake up the balrog😁
MarkRaffer
13 Sep 13:40 # Show original
@Hidji: Yes, they will wake him up in the seventh episode...
Paramelion
06 Sep 04:55 # Show original
As for the series, there is no plot movement. A set of individual investigative situations is no more.
Only the very last scene can have any effect on the plot. And maybe the creators will follow the path, the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Adar will form an alliance with Galadriel against Sauron. Like my orcs don't want to take over the land, they just want to live in Mordor and that's it, and Sauron will interfere with both ours and yours, as they say.
GonReborn
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06 Sep 09:35 # Show original
Why do they put Saruman (if that's him) on the dark side so directly. Why Bombed so head-on immediately says that he is the oldest being. Can't it be served in a more delicate way? Or the creators consider the audience of the series to be completely stupid.
MarkRaffer
06 Sep 15:44 # Show original
@GonReborn: Yes! the creators really consider them not even stupid, but imbeciles!
skiorh
06 Sep 13:46 #
Из хорошего: новая укладка Элронда.
Деревня стуров понравилась в целом и тема с Землёй обетованной тоже.
Том Бомбадил - делатель волшебников. активно тусящий в политической гуще событий? Сомнительно, но ладно. Внешне он прям канонический, но я не верю этому актёру. У него глаза неприятного человека, высокомерного и совсем уж невесёлого.
Эпизод с энтицей... вау... лепесточки вместо ресничек, ага, понятно... эльф из Белерианда разговаривает с существом, пробуждённным эльфами же на заре времён - на Синдарине... ладно... никакой логики в её действиях, а ну да. она же девочка. Нет, просто нет
Человеческие умертвия, на изи мочканувшие эльфа?
И Галадриэль собрала себе всех мало-мальски эльфоподобных мальчиков Средиземья, отлично, пусть у них в финальной серии будет дуэль XD
skiorh
06 Sep 14:15 #
Когда выходили фильмы, народ писал уморительные фанфики про то, как книжные персонажи их смотрят. Вот я бы почитала про это )). Надо поискать.
Вообще, если отвлечься от Толкина, сериал как сериал. Со всеми проблемами современных сериалов: телепортация, хронометраж, хромающий сценарий. Персонажи ещё относительно последовательны на общем печальном фоне.
id74598320
07 Oct 11:29 # Show original
@skiorh: If you find any fanfiction, please share it
Liyuuuuunder
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06 Sep 13:55 # Show original
Why did the elves run on foot? 😅 this question has been tormenting me all series 🤣
It's a beautiful picture, after all, I really like it, even some plot downtime gets away with it.
"We don't have a home" 🤧😢😭
The scene with the trees is insanely touching♥
msev
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06 Sep 15:43 # Show original
For me, the further into the forest, the more firewood there is: a terrible action movie at the level of films of the 90s, the absence of racially faithful dead (do you have a 100% agenda or what?!), very strange ents that outwardly, that according to the logic of the narrative, etc.D. Of the advantages, only Tom Bombadil is not a Negro, and thanks a lot from the distant Russian Federation for that . 😏
opheliozz
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06 Sep 17:25 # Show original
I liked the dead, the beautiful guys. in their atmosphere, I wanted to call the Winchesters, they know exactly what to do with these handsome men.
so while a group of elves were sitting in ambush and whispering, one was shot by an orc? but what about the famous elven hearing/smell/what else is there? Have the Orcs become so quiet?
and Sauron's zero in the series (( the episode seemed hectic and aimless, as if everyone got lost at once and walked the whole series. dialogues about nothing. Tom Bombadil only made me happy.
DeanVenture
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06 Sep 18:55 # Show original
Elrrrrrrrronod, Kelimbrbrbrbrrrrrrrrrr Why does everyone else talk normally, but she can't do it))
Mathers
22 Sep 23:42 # Show original
On the contrary, I like her speech and her pronunciation of names)
-TraumfraU-
06 Sep 21:00 # Show original
Do they specifically cover themselves with mud?
Meloman_Nastena
06 Sep 21:50 # Show original
"You're wrong, she's saving the ring." Well, cool, cool. That was a really good quote.
I like the chemistry between Isildur and this girl, and in general Isildur has matured this season, I even see something Aragoronian in him. Not like in Elendil, of course)
fovilleroy
08 Sep 21:33 # Show original
Where does the quote come from?
Meloman_Nastena
06 Sep 22:07 # Show original
"You're wrong, she's saving the ring." Well, cool, cool. That was a really good quote.
I like the chemistry between Isildur and this girl, and in general Isildur has matured this season, I even see something Aragoronian in him. Not like in Elendil, of course)
Stalker_inc
06 Sep 22:49 # Show original
I did not expect to hear a joke here about "1-B-4" straight from "Home Alone" (alas, the joke did not survive any of the famous translations of the film into Russian). 🤔
Kentavr
08 Sep 09:04 # Show original
@Stalker_inc: What kind of joke is that?
Stalker_inc
16 Sep 13:02 # Show original
@Kentavr: here - when the hobbits were given a list of what not to do when meeting with the boss. One day at home, when Baz was listing the reasons why nothing would happen to Kevin.
HYCH
07 Sep 00:38 # Show original
The elves in the forest are just gene Z, from whom the drunkard took away the iPhones 🤣🤣🤣
RenegadeAD
07 Sep 04:32 # Show original
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Сериальщик732
07 Sep 17:03 # Show original
@RenegadeAD: Africa was swept away by the storm
yumtee
07 Sep 05:03 #
Can't sleep? Watch Merry Harfoot Adventures, that will knock you right off your feet with its striking boredom. 😴
siddhi30
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id70201890
07 Sep 11:32 # Show original
And Galadriel is well done, they noticed how she chose elves to join her squad in a modern way, a negro elf and an Asian elf. I hope she chose based on useful skills, and not for racial diversity. She will definitely be hired at Netflix part-time =)
ЗвероящеР
08 Sep 00:33 # Show original
@id70201890: Anyway, according to the laws of Hollywood, the first of the team to die is black, even if he is an elf))
How nice to see Tom, the Ents, the Wildling from Game of Thrones, if Elrond had played Wandering in Middle-Earth, he would have known that the stolen elf could have been saved 😿
Lighthouse012
07 Sep 23:36 # Show original
This series suffers from scenes that look very cropped. The guys with the skulls came to the local hobbits, asked a question, got an affirmative No, turned around and left. Well, at least they would have searched the village for decency. The Afro-Elf got along with the local ents very quickly. I can't think of a better way to make this scene. Probably just to explain that we are not enemies. Captured people too, and all the troubles were brought to you by the orcs. We also have questions for them. And again, the Afro-Elf would have a reason to leave the camp and go for revenge. His woman was killed, and Adar was on a hike, which means it will be easier to get him than in a fortified camp. But no, it's some kind of stupid oath. What for? Why so much pathos? But the plot of Sauron elves pleases. The villain set traps so that it would not be so easy for the heroes to get to the blacksmith. The only thing that confuses the luck of the heroes. They found the murdered messenger as if Middle-Earth was not huge, but literally a backyard of 6 acres. In such a vast territory, to go out to the cemetery and find problems there is a super-enlightenment. To find a dead messenger is already... not bad luck, but pianos in the bushes. It's with such little things that the relationship is built. Apparently the screenwriters are still so-so. The global plot is good (because it was not invented by them), but there are questions about their work. I'm still silent about the canon. You can see right here that people are burning with local porridge, inaccuracies and alterations.
spartak25
08 Sep 21:18 # Show original
Before that, it was tolerable. But there was trouble for me, of course. Fuck it, we need female bad copies of Frodo and Sam. Fuck this settlement at all. And where does this fucking desert come from, which has never been shown in 6 films. Are elves elves? Who is this anyway? Wildly stupid people wearing headphones. The history of people is a mess and this black elf is also stupid. Tom Bombadil saved the series for me. He even talks really cool, he says, but your insides are warming up. The new Gandalf is not yet clear, he does not understand himself and I do not understand him. We are waiting for him to understand and I will understand.
Нелюдь
PRO
08 Sep 21:34 # Show original
@spartak25: "Evil is not capable of creating anything new, it can only distort and destroy what was invented or created by the forces of good." — J. R. R. Tolkien
spartak25
08 Sep 21:37 # Show original
@Nel 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭
Hidji
PRO
08 Sep 22:49 # Show original
@Non-human: about Amazon).
persephoneia
PRO
08 Sep 22:44 # Show original
When Nori talks about the Wanderer, the dark-skinned leader calls him great big Grand-Elf. I don't know if this consonance was chosen on purpose or not, but I appreciated it!
Нелюдь
PRO
09 Sep 15:12 #
@persephoneia: Ага и с ее акцентом звучало прям совсем схоже... а еще Нори сказала "he's afraid he'd lose control again without a gand."
"Gand" -alf
blackmore
09 Sep 08:14 # Show original
Am I the only one confused by the devaluation of the characters in this series? Sometimes Sauron makes a speech so that the orcs will follow him, then Galadriel is treated like a simple elf, although she is superior in origin to almost all the elves shown earlier.
msev
PRO
09 Sep 10:33 # Show original
@blackmore: "Evil cannot create anything new, it can only spoil and destroy what good forces have invented or created."
blackmore
09 Sep 13:39 # Show original
To the point
Yuronk
11 Sep 11:27 # Show original
@msev: you probably can't think of anything else besides this phrase either..
msev
PRO
11 Sep 12:38 # Show original
@Yuronk: It's not about the phrase itself, but about making it perfectly fit the context. Apparently, you don't understand this - the context hasn't been delivered yet.
Yuronk
11 Sep 12:45 # Show original
@msev: No, I understand everything perfectly I'm just absolutely sure that those who created this series are not evil at all, in some places they may not be very good at it, but it's clearly not evil here, so the constant mention of this phrase does not seem appropriate to me.
EVA-000
11 Sep 12:46 # Show original
This phrase is perfect, why invent something? What is your problem? They messed up everything they could, and we have to sit and drool with joy? Thanks, I'll leave it to Acolyte lovers like you.👋🏻
Yuronk
11 Sep 12:48 # Show original
@EVA-000: mine is nothing, you don't have to look if you don't like it, much less drool, etc. I didn't even look at the Acolyte, if anything.
msev
PRO
11 Sep 12:53 # Show original
@Yuronk: Well, this is not evil - EVIL, but just a figure of speech used in relation to the new Rings in a rather humorous form - then an anecdote on this topic 😏 If you forgot, then this phrase is the most "barked" comment under the first (or the second (I don't remember anymore) trailer of the series "💍💩"
His daughter Anna comes to Freud and says: "You know, Dad, I had a dream that we had a lot of your friends visiting: Uncle Jung, Uncle Adler and others, and everyone offers me bananas... But other uncles have some kind of limp, green, dried bananas, and your banana is the ripest, juiciest, I liked it the most! What do you think this dream means?" Freud: Ahem... You know, daughter, sometimes a banana is just a banana!"
Yuronk
11 Sep 12:55 # Show original
@msev: Yes, I guess I dug deep... You're right about that
fb1273958
12 Sep 12:03 # Show original
@Yuronk: There are more Orcs here, try not to pay attention to them or block them, it's easier that way.
ramzy
12 Sep 16:16 # Show original
@Yuronk: incompetents are always evil
fb1273958
12 Sep 12:02 # Show original
@blackmore: on the contrary, I like that Galadriel's Noldor side is shown, when, like her relatives on the Feanor line, she was not always wise and brave, but also possessed a tendency to pride, impulsiveness and a desire for power (that's why she was drawn from Valinor to Middle-earth in the 1st epoch).
Miss_Lane
09 Sep 23:00 # Show original
The person who came up with the scene with the monster from the swamp obviously played the witcher from the bottom of his heart
KatePoltaras
04 Oct 16:25 # Show original
@Miss_Lane: and the death is also like a witcher =)
Myshows777
10 Sep 00:03 # Show original
Boring. I rewind it periodically. The arch with these two hobbits is already tiring. Their dialogues are not interesting at all
Никоша-дракоша
PRO
12 Sep 15:51 # Show original
Against the Orcs Leo Tolstoy, against the elves ... simple 🙈
ShaMarinka
12 Sep 22:06 # Show original
Such a shameful greenscreen in the bridge scene. There's so much of him here, and he's still as conspicuous as he was in the first season. Galadriel with dark hair roots and shatush coloring is such a Spanish shame... The casting of elves is almost all bad (I still like Elrond as an image, a great elf), but it's just a combo: it doesn't fit the role outwardly, and it plays disgustingly, and also the main character. It's just impossible to watch.
scarcelyinside
PRO
12 Sep 22:32 # Show original
Is Rory Kinnear playing Tom? Well, wow. I barely recognized him in that beard.
JeffMelroy
PRO
18 Sep 09:15 # Show original
It seems that Tom is God himself in this universe.
Victor_Flash
19 Sep 16:04 # Show original
I don't know about you, but I just get high from watching, diving back into the 2000s, when I ran to movie premieres in packed cinemas. Especially when the music in the credits is in the last seconds, well, it just gets so warm in my soul. I don't give a damn about all these "non-canon", please continue the story.
iasra
30 Sep 02:21 #
@Victor_Flash: поддерживаю, мы стали очень требовательными зрителями, не угодишь) а ведь если вспомнить, старые сериалы тоже полны роялей и нестыковок) Понять и простить, слишком мало фантастики сейчас, чтоб ее ещё и ругать)
ramzy
02 Oct 07:45 # Show original
@iasra: don't make me laugh, even some Xena looks like a masterpiece against this background. In general, after watching the new products, I started watching many old TV series, and they now seem much better.
Aprillian
20 Sep 04:35 # Show original
And at the end Rufus Wainwright sings about Tom 😑
salvus_angel
30 Sep 20:26 # Show original
How terrible the Elves look in this series, they spoil the whole picture. Shaggy, dirty, clumsy… Remembering Legolaza, who for a months-long campaign with the brotherhood of the ring always looked perfect, shone all the way, ran ahead as if he barely touched the ground ... this should be an elf, an almost unearthly deity, and not that's all
ramzy
02 Oct 07:48 # Show original
I only came in because I found it on the most viewed lists. Are you people serious? This is how undemanding you need to be in order not to throw such a boring dull action back in the first season. The question is rhetorical.
Lav-chik
06 Oct 00:38 # Show original
So far, it's going better than the first season (I was just trying to force it). But I agree, the casting is quite unsuccessful, many actors did not get into the roles, and just some unpleasant ones (for example, a wildling girl who has sympathies with Isildur)
D1M0N4E
PRO
08 Oct 00:48 # Show original
Wow, an extremely intense series! Mentioning Saruman, Shira, enta, Mortification, Bombadil, very cool!
TIC_TAC
11 Oct 23:09 # Show original
Elves are not elves, which is sickening. Where is their sophistication and angelicness 😭😭
naravi
Yesterday, 00:28 # Show original
@TIC_TAC: it's okay, the authors were just inspired by Elf Salgant)
I am increasingly sticking to the version that Istar and the Evil Wizard are Blue Magicians who appeared back in Middle-earth in the 2nd epoch (according to Tolkien). The creators of the series decided to make them a kind of prototype of the relationship between Gandalf and Saruman.
There is a lot of dark memory of the past in this series, which awakens and tightens around one center. The gloom, the horror intensifies, pumping up a heavy premonition. It is sad to see the ongoing conflict between Elrond and Galadriel.
In general, the series keeps in suspense, although a little chaotic.
⠀@Yuven: ">> The first film incarnation of Tom Bombadil"
Not the first one.
Tom Bombadil has already been in the 1991 TV play "The Guardians" (Leningrad television, director: Natalia Serebryakova). And there was a gold piece there too.
⠀https://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/145938/annot/
⠀https://old.myshows.me/view/72487/
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I once tried to watch these "Guardians" on Youtube - it was enough for a minute and a half 😏
- No, Of course not! (he didn't ask about the saw...)
The plot is gaining momentum! And then it seemed that the first 3 episodes were being handed over to the first season
Did you really not understand how the elves got away from the dead?
And just thought that Galadriel was a bit of a rag this season, as the ending shook her up)
Most of all in the series I liked the interaction of the Wanderer and Tom Bombadil. I was surprised to realize that the role of the latter, it turns out, was taken by Rory Kinnear, and he is an excellent actor. Interest in this character immediately grew))
The scene with the ents was also not bad. Otherwise, it's neither shaky nor loose. Action, maybe, would have diluted the atmosphere, but the elves walked with painfully lean faces, there was no desire to worry about them. Although the scene where Arondir and Isildur were sucked into the mud was normal.
But this is completely offtop.
- Nope!
- Well, lan, we'll go then
The logic has left the chat, but at least because of the atmosphere it's nice to watch)
Bombadil at first glance is not bad, there is a necessary and inherent eccentricity in it.
Upd: by the way, after this series, I am inclined to the version expressed earlier by Smiley in discussing the personality of the evil sorcerer that this is the Angmar sorcerer king, who for some reason was transferred from the Third Epoch to the Second. Big deal, a couple of millennia. All the threads converge on this, including now the Dead.
And he's also kind of a native Angmar, not a Shaolin grandfather from the desert.
Yes, the Sorcerer King Agmar woke up the dead in the 1600s of the 3rd Epoch. But again, if the burial grounds themselves have already existed since the 1st epoch, then there is scope for interpretation and I do not see a direct serious contradiction)
In the end, I thought that Halbrand would appear, but then Adar drove up, it's funny who will be against whom now that everything is in contention, I hope Galadriel will still get to Celebrimbor
While season 2 has sunk into my soul more than the first, but not by events, but by some kind of sincerity, I've been waiting for a new series all week, it hasn't been like this for a long time
And there was a very touching scene between a tree with flowers and an elf, it just took my soul away
Yes, the Sorcerer King Agmar woke up the dead in the 1600s of the 3rd Epoch. But again, if the burial grounds themselves have already existed since the 1st epoch, then why would evil not start there)
After all, reading books on the History of Middle-Earth (Christopher Tolkien) gives you more understanding of the context of events. :)
Moreover, the Hobbit blades picked up in the Burial Grounds were forged to fight the Angmarans. Should I remind you when there was a war with Angmar? That is, the Dead were first raised not earlier than the blades were created))).
There were just some burials from about the 500th year of the 2nd epoch and these people had some kind of weapons, which they were buried with. Or do you think the burial grounds have only learned to make in Arnor?)
Well, imagine that these are some other mounds, what's the problem? It doesn't bother you that rings are forged at the same time as the reign of Ar-Farazon)
Could it be that the people of Beleriand, after the Great Battle, went not only to Numenor, but also to Middle-earth? The creators of the series decided that it could be. And why not, there is a lot of such nonsense in the series, it does not affect the canon and the main events in any way.
In the First Age, the lands of Turn Gortad were first inhabited by humans, the ancestors of the Edain, before they went to Beleriand. They were the ones who built the first mounds.
Therefore, the elf says that they are more than 1000 years old.
You don't really know the canon.
Without even reading this article, I assumed that there could be other burials, which is logical, and the article once again confirmed this.
Tell me, what are you arguing with here? That there could not be near-Norse burial grounds or what?
What's the problem? There is a lot of such nonsense in the series, which does not contradict the history of Middle-earth.
I like that they decided to speed things up and give them more drama.
Only the very last scene can have any effect on the plot. And maybe the creators will follow the path, the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Adar will form an alliance with Galadriel against Sauron. Like my orcs don't want to take over the land, they just want to live in Mordor and that's it, and Sauron will interfere with both ours and yours, as they say.
Деревня стуров понравилась в целом и тема с Землёй обетованной тоже.
Том Бомбадил - делатель волшебников. активно тусящий в политической гуще событий? Сомнительно, но ладно.
Внешне он прям канонический, но я не верю этому актёру. У него глаза неприятного человека, высокомерного и совсем уж невесёлого.
Эпизод с энтицей... вау... лепесточки вместо ресничек, ага, понятно... эльф из Белерианда разговаривает с существом, пробуждённным эльфами же на заре времён - на Синдарине... ладно... никакой логики в её действиях, а ну да. она же девочка.
Нет, просто нет
Человеческие умертвия, на изи мочканувшие эльфа?
И Галадриэль собрала себе всех мало-мальски эльфоподобных мальчиков Средиземья, отлично, пусть у них в финальной серии будет дуэль XD
Вот я бы почитала про это )). Надо поискать.
Вообще, если отвлечься от Толкина, сериал как сериал.
Со всеми проблемами современных сериалов: телепортация, хронометраж, хромающий сценарий.
Персонажи ещё относительно последовательны на общем печальном фоне.
It's a beautiful picture, after all, I really like it, even some plot downtime gets away with it.
"We don't have a home" 🤧😢😭
The scene with the trees is insanely touching♥
so while a group of elves were sitting in ambush and whispering, one was shot by an orc? but what about the famous elven hearing/smell/what else is there? Have the Orcs become so quiet?
and Sauron's zero in the series ((
the episode seemed hectic and aimless, as if everyone got lost at once and walked the whole series. dialogues about nothing. Tom Bombadil only made me happy.
Why does everyone else talk normally, but she can't do it))
Well, cool, cool. That was a really good quote.
I like the chemistry between Isildur and this girl, and in general Isildur has matured this season, I even see something Aragoronian in him. Not like in Elendil, of course)
Well, cool, cool. That was a really good quote.
I like the chemistry between Isildur and this girl, and in general Isildur has matured this season, I even see something Aragoronian in him. Not like in Elendil, of course)
One day at home, when Baz was listing the reasons why nothing would happen to Kevin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDNzi9wqeuc
The Afro-Elf got along with the local ents very quickly. I can't think of a better way to make this scene. Probably just to explain that we are not enemies. Captured people too, and all the troubles were brought to you by the orcs. We also have questions for them. And again, the Afro-Elf would have a reason to leave the camp and go for revenge. His woman was killed, and Adar was on a hike, which means it will be easier to get him than in a fortified camp. But no, it's some kind of stupid oath. What for? Why so much pathos? But the plot of Sauron elves pleases. The villain set traps so that it would not be so easy for the heroes to get to the blacksmith. The only thing that confuses the luck of the heroes. They found the murdered messenger as if Middle-Earth was not huge, but literally a backyard of 6 acres. In such a vast territory, to go out to the cemetery and find problems there is a super-enlightenment. To find a dead messenger is already... not bad luck, but pianos in the bushes.
It's with such little things that the relationship is built. Apparently the screenwriters are still so-so. The global plot is good (because it was not invented by them), but there are questions about their work. I'm still silent about the canon. You can see right here that people are burning with local porridge, inaccuracies and alterations.
— J. R. R. Tolkien
"Gand" -alf
I'm just absolutely sure that those who created this series are not evil
at all, in some places they may not be very good at it, but it's clearly not evil here, so the constant mention of this phrase does not seem appropriate to me.
I didn't even look at the Acolyte, if anything.
His daughter Anna comes to Freud and says: "You
know, Dad, I had a dream that we had a lot of your friends visiting: Uncle Jung, Uncle Adler and others, and everyone offers me bananas... But other uncles have some kind of limp, green, dried bananas, and your banana is the ripest, juiciest, I liked it the most! What do you think this dream means?"
Freud: Ahem... You know, daughter, sometimes a banana is just a banana!"
Galadriel with dark hair roots and shatush coloring is such a Spanish shame... The casting of elves is almost all bad (I still like Elrond as an image, a great elf), but it's just a combo: it doesn't fit the role outwardly, and it plays disgustingly, and also the main character. It's just impossible to watch.
Понять и простить, слишком мало фантастики сейчас, чтоб ее ещё и ругать)