With each episode, they are becoming more and more burdensome ( It's like 15-20 minutes stretched to almost 50.
I wonder how Bernard will continue to steer, consider himself alone🫡 And how sharply Sims will openly go against Bernard when he finds out the new deputy... how much his new position is legally strong against the mayor and it🤔
@Qtilla: This season is filmed based on the second half of the first book. And the same thing happens there. In theory, it should be more fun in the next series, and even more so in the seasons. So we are tolerant.
@Qtilla: they stretched 1 book into 2 seasons. Therefore, such a drudgery is coming. But the remaining two decided to make a book =season. Why is this so, and where does this strange solution come from?.. You'll never understand their logic. We would have done the same with the first book, if everything had been more dynamic.
@Jmann: I read a book the other day and I can say that the series came out much more interesting. and all because a lot of new storylines were added to the series (about the former president, secret surveillance of residents, about Sims, the judge, all this was not in the book). due to this, they revealed the characters well, added normal motivation to them. the book is written very dryly and reads even more painfully. So, there's a silver lining.
@ollluaa: I finished listening to the 2nd book yesterday, for me, the book and the series are so very long. But what captivates me, at least in the book, is that almost everything is explained (but there are the dumbest moments) and I am ready to forgive the author for this tedium, but I also quickly fall asleep to it, which is a plus for me. I'm not interested in watching the series anymore, and I can see the modern production of TV series when no one gives a shit how it looks on the screen because there's no one with a common vision.
@naravi: Rather than avoiding it, they inflame the viewer's interest and keep it as a trump card up their sleeve in order to give it away at the right moment.
The confrontation between Mera Holland and Camilla (Robert) Sims escalates. Camille wins this series, she did a good job of messing up Holland. I liked Bernard's smirk at Camille's words - "Since my days working in the Law, I know that lynching is illegal." 😏😏 Well, well.😉
Of course, he throws the stargazer Lucas Kyle through life, then into the mines to certain death, then the assistant of Mera Holland. Rapid career growth! 😏😉
@apb48: A series about deals, "negotiators" - Fix the pump, I'll give you the spacesuit. Billings is a straight master of "negotiators" - Tell me where, what's with Carla McLane, I'll tell you about the murder of Judge Meadows. Pull out the bullet, I'll tell you what you want to know, or rather you don't want to know.
"Juliet is alive"!✊ is an already established slogan, a symbol of struggle.It's strange why they chanted at the storming. 😏
Isn't there a generator in the hands of mechanics? Aren't they the mainstay of providing everything related to technology? If they are not fed, what should they cut off the same light? And, of course, this scene is just awful: they say we've been starving for 2 hours, let's give up. I thought the mechanics were holding on to each other, but then it seemed to them that their main ones were just framed and would be killed for nothing. Residents of the besieged cities would not understand.
@MovieFilm: The IT department has an external generation, they will not be affected. If you turn off the lights, it's those who feed them through the garbage chute and write notes that will suffer - thanks for the electricity, Juliet is alive.
@MovieFilm: I think mechanics don't have a tool to control the supply of electricity, they can only produce it or not. that is, by turning off the generator, they will turn it off for everyone, and, apparently, for themselves too.
@skagerrak: He laughed too. Why do we need a code if PGP encryption was already created in 1991... what he chooses is called a "symmetric key". Considering that they communicate through BBS-level software... even if there is a whole silo of the same size somewhere, consisting entirely of supercomputers from the time before the disaster, and it has been serviced by a crowd of IT specialists for 500 years... On one A4 sheet, you can write a key so long that it will take decades to decrypt the message. This is not even taking into account the moment of "racial diversity" in silos and the fact that people could create an equivalent of Esperanto over the centuries, and this makes it impossible for a person who does not know it to decipher it. And he only used the Caesar cipher and the reverse of how much time he killed, although this is a problem for the programming Olympiad at the eighth-grade Olympiad...
@bazatron: in this episode, I suddenly wondered how many mice they had to break in 140 years of sitting in a bunker, how many monitors would burn out during operation)) There are a lot of fantasy elements, what's there?
@skagerrak: The classic problem of the "generation ship" from the science fiction of the Golden Age is that the ship must initially carry with it as many resources as it physically cannot accommodate.) Here it is somewhat simpler. If you think about everything in advance, then you can build hidden storages in the ground with reserve resources that will automatically open during a crisis and, formally, there can be as many as you like, especially since the project is planned for 500 years.
And about fantasy, I'm still crying from the moment about duct tape. This solemn speech "And we will develop a new electrical tape!"... My God, who wrote this ...)))
@skagerrak: It's just that there are kind nanomachines all around, and outside there are villages that are appropriately evil. Everything is explained simply 🤣
With each episode, it becomes less and less interesting to watch.. If I tried to watch 1-2 episodes at a speed of 1, then only a speed of 2.5 helps so as not to waste time on it..
Wow, a whole 30 seconds of Juliet! You can see how they stretch the first book into 2 seasons. But the next 2 decided to pack a book=season. Why not just do the same with the first one instead of stretching it like that?
The navel. The first season is for health. The second one is for the repose. I listened to the books enthusiastically, but the series is losing everything and losing its appeal, unfortunately.
Bernard is spinning like a frying pan, but I think he can't eat the Sims butcher family, there's Gestapo-level brutality there. And why were these crocodile tears over the body of the judge he killed? The judge was a good person, but he was nasty, and that's the only way he's progressing. No, Bernard, I don't believe in your tears.
If it was possible to cut through the levels so easily, then why wasn't it done back in the days of previous generations and all previous riots? 0_o With this logic, each of the Silos should have thousands of illegal manholes for movement and smuggling...
@bazatron: Why is it that after Juliette went over the hill and there is a perception that she survived, no one asked to go outside? At least some fanatics would have to ask en masse.
@piftus: So that's exactly what happened in the next silo. But there was a major demonstration, and here it's not clear, maybe it just went a little further than all the previous ones.
It seems like I'm waiting for a new episode every week, but it seems like it's less interesting to watch with each one that comes out. This kind of drudgery is boring. The first season was great, but here it's the same 6 episodes. Are they going to return her to their bunker at the end of the season? And wait a year for the continuation. Like in the first one, she went into this flooded one.
I'm finishing reading the third one and ATTENTION, there will be spoilers further, since such a question has arisen. For those who are not familiar with the books, please scroll through.
Let's go with the first one. There are a lot of detailed monotonous descriptions that do not immerse into the atmosphere, do not add visualization, do not move the plot, but simply make you bored. Cheap cliffhanger tricks that are already starting to annoy as the chapters progress, as are the jumps between the characters. This could have been avoided. And the lack of any answers at the end of the first book, so when you want to know something, it's better to start with the second one right away.
The second one can be read in theses and that will be enough. And what was the Mission part of the story for? Why are the Solo chapters so long and messy? We already know about him from the first book, and in the second, his book time provides little of interest. Donald's character (kind of like the main one here) doesn't really do anything about the plot at all. He is simply thrown from events to events by the will of fate, while he learns something, but does nothing with this information. It was incredibly boring for me to watch such a person. He was constantly whining and a lot of time was spent on his wife, first love, dog, so what? And the most important thing. We've been getting closer to solving all these atrocities, but we still don't get a clear motivation for the destruction of all life in the world. And by the second book I would like to.
At the same time, I repeat to everyone that the very idea of this world, the design of shelters, their architecture and experiences are sooo intriguing. They arouse the desire to unravel with gg what's the matter here. Many moments make you think and ask yourself questions. A wonderful foundation for a dystopia. And I can't break away from this universe, but I would like a richer and more thorough content.
And as a result, the book, which has enormous potential, is drowning in the monotony and slowness of the narrative. Well, or I just reread too many dystopias/fiction that the sophisticated brain has something to compare with, which is why it suffocates
@Nikylele: As for visualizations, it's different for everyone. Someone immediately understands what a bunker looks like, but someone needs to describe its walls, floors, height, depth, etc. on 100 pages. Horse racing is a parallel narrative. What and how to write is decided by the author. Horse racing can be charged in both The Martian and the Ave Maria Project.
All your dissatisfaction is that this way of storytelling is not convenient for you.
Did I tell you how and what to write to the author? 🙃 There was no question of describing the BUNKER itself, either, to be more careful (they meant descriptions of how something moved/dripped/sparkled, etc. And my (as you put it) dissatisfaction is that I personally find such a narrative to be more drawn out and lengthy compared to the series. That's what I wrote in the first comment :) so yes, this is "not convenient" for me specifically.
But you asked for an example, and I described it in detail.
@Dex_89: In this case, the book (the first one) is better, the narration is brisk, goes in parallel and everything is logical, one thing follows the other, there are no solutions. In the series, everything was intertwined, time, plot, motivation, some plot dummies were extracted, others were changed. The book is simpler and more logical, but the end was written out of the blue, you're waiting for an uphill climb, and they show you a jump on the spot. Well, at this time, we don't need a stocky, bearded, well-respected, pumped-up bumpkin Knox, whose entire generator set is ready to do anything, we have a strong and independent child with a lack of brains and logic.
@ZarinaPete: This is modern clip-on thinking, life has accelerated and some people have lost the opportunity to enjoy something in the moment. I noticed from my children that when we walk, we get the impression that we are going from point A to point B and what is in between doesn't seem so interesting. As far back as I can remember, it was the other way around, I liked the process of hiking. On the contrary, I like that everything is slow, I even watch some episodes, in parts or in whole, this season I love the moments when Bernard bombs, he has such a cool face at this moment, in general the character is very interesting and the actor plays well.
Yeah, the second season specifically loses to the first, and it seems like, yes, you're watching it, it's the same Shelter and scenery and actors, but it seems like you're being deceived and the sign is the same, but the cookies are different.
Who needs spoilers: I found a good retelling of the first book on YouTube. Support the girl with a like by subscribing, (it's not difficult for you) to retell the second one. The channel is called I'll LIE DOWN and READ I have nothing to do with the channel.
@id5789438: Why retell the book? It's better to read it or listen to it normally in its entirety. Moreover, the book is still different from the TV series, it has its own charm)
@MovieFilm: Previously, books were filmed very close to the text so that non-readers could enjoy the story, and readers could enjoy the game version of a familiar and beloved plot. At least, this is true for the first film adaptation. If the story has already been turned into a movie more than once, then you can diversify it with new variations.
No one gives a shit about that right now..You know, the shooters want to show off or work out an agenda model, but the audience... Well, it's not for me to judge the audience, they have their own heads on their shoulders to understand the reasons.😅
It's a good thing that few really masterpieces are put to work, but more and more pop trash). Maybe time will sell and high-quality adaptations will appear again, then they will be taken up.
@creator25ars: according to the general scenario logic, at the end of the last episode, she will knock loudly on the door of her bunker, and possibly bring a Solo with her, although the second costume is not visible.
I liked the series, but I love these stupid mechanics , but it's like they've ruined the whole Knox and Shirley dynamic with romance. they were like siblings in my head, but certainly not lovers.... ehhh
Before the release of season 2, I came across information that the critics were shown the season and they were all in great shock and called this season almost the best season among all the series ever released and all that))) no matter how much there is a bazaar, why not throw empty words into the karma of the series before its release, but the result is just a cringe..It's less and less interesting to watch with each episode, honestly. Tedium where it is not needed, lack of logic where it is needed, and all that sort of thing..
@Mikle1n: I remember that the critics were also "absolutely delighted" before the release of Acolyte, Rings of Power and the 4th Matrix. . . Well, well))
Why is everyone bored and burdensome?( It's very interesting to me... The story develops at its own pace, maybe not as many events per episode as we would like, but what's the hurry? In each episode, something new happens, the plot does not stand still. The commentators haven't looked from the outside yet, that's where the real drag is))
In any series with designated distances, sooner or later this happens: physical barriers become a convention when necessary. In the first season, the mayor went down to the lower floors once every few years as part of a ritual. This season, the mechanics' ascent to the top was an event lasting hours (if not days), and during the commotion, people rush back and forth. The new head of the lawyers is moving between their bunker at the top and the barricade line purely for the sake of a few words with the mayor, although initially the endless tedious climb was designed so that people wouldn't rush back and forth and mix up.
Actually, yes, Jules is not shown much. But the rest of the events are developing at a normal pace. The characters are revealed. The situation is getting more and more tense. Sims' camp, the Mayor's camp, and the mechanics' camp. We are waiting for the next episode)
I started reading the book, I just finished reading before these events. After all, the series was still more interesting than the book, the characters were better revealed, only Lucas was screwed up, as it seems to me, according to the book he himself is from law school and a friend of Bernard, Bernard knew his father well, and then Lucas came out as some random, stray character and Lucas's connection with Jules in the book is shown deeper. In the book, both Knox and Bernard are chubby with bellies, it's prettier here. And the Solo in the book seems to be more appropriate (although I just started reading about him in the book), he lived alone for 34 years, it turns out that he is now 50 years old. It seems like everything is interesting and without spoilers, I started reading just to find out what will happen next, but I definitely like the series more, it's just that the second season needs to watch all the episodes together, one per week, obviously about nothing.
@CatherineR: Similarly, he began to read. I finished the 1st book. I feel it will take another 1-2 seasons to complete it. In general, the series shows everything in more detail, the characters are revealed more, but everything is a little different, although it still follows the main outline. But the details are sometimes very changed. It's neither good nor bad, it's just different. Solo and Lucas are completely different, even in character. I don't know why they thought so much about Solo, maybe to stretch it out for a season.
They cut off the food supply to the tech shop, poisoned their food, so why doesn't the tech shop turn off the electricity again? In previous episodes, they showed that they can, but they still hold on. Juliette already regretted saying that she could have fixed the pump.
@S0N0FMAN: Because ordinary people will suffer much more, not Bernard and the top. Their society is very different from ours, where +/- everyone understands that they are all in the same boat.
In short, I think if the plot hadn't been stretched out like a rubber band of a woman's parachutes, then there would have been such a huge number of inconsistencies and plot holes that the people prescribed above, no one would have been able to wrap it up. But here everyone is even talking as if at a speed of x0.75 ... Slow down a little more, then the timbre of all the characters will begin to decrease as on a cassette 😂
The fact that Jules is shown less is not a negative, it's good that the series doesn't focus on one character. There are other Persians and they are not extras. That's a plus.
Damn, but I also watched the first season online and waited for every episode. I'm already literally forcing myself to watch the second one, fighting the urge to postpone it until the last one is released.
When will something dynamic start? I thought Juliette would return to her bunker in the middle of the season. Now there is a feeling that it will be in the last, penultimate episode.
@ArtemOsinin: Considering how long it's been going on and how season 1 ended, the last thing we'll see is Juliet getting to her bunker and almost dying, then cliffhanger and wait for the 3rd) I couldn't stand it anymore and started reading the book)
At the end of the episode, he imagined that Jules was a viewer who was dented by how boring the episode was, and Solo says: "If you want Jules to return to her hiding place, then at least one more episode with fixing the pump." That's why Jules has a face like that at the end. "Oh my gosh, I'm so sick of it."
Well, I'll say this - despite the extremely short running time of Juliet, the series is not boring at all. The barricades are being demolished, the floor is being sawed - the movement is quite good. And judging by the title of the next episode, there will be a little more events in the new bunker. So it's too early to bury the series, we've just crossed the equator of the season)
The scriptwriters did not seem to have studied how real authoritarian systems and their security forces work, how ferociously and disproportionately any dissent and insubordination are suppressed. To anyone who has similar personal experience, this whole mess of pushing up ten floors by a small, unarmed group with basins on their chests looks not just naive and divorced from reality, but simply absurd to the point of idiocy.
I read the 1st book. I'm surprised that, given the speed of the series' development, it will still need at least a season to show only the 1st book. How many seasons are they planning then?)
The plot as a whole is similar to the book, but there are a number of points that go very differently and situations are perceived very differently. The series pays more attention to details and is sometimes too addictive, with a lot of fictional stuff that wasn't in the book. The only thing that upsets me is the many dumb moments that the scriptwriters have pulled. But overall it's not bad. I wonder if the ending of the 1st book will be the same.
Apparently, Lucas's story was redone to once again escalate the conflict between Sims and Bernard, although I still don't understand why Sims is needed here.
It's already the sixth episode, but frankly, it's been overstayed, it's not a book rich enough to make an entire season based on half of it. And the appearance of Jules resembles the appearance of Melanie from Through the Snow, she was also constantly in the first season, and then they started hiding her somewhere.
I see that many people didn't like the series, but I did the opposite. Finally, something dynamic, a constantly changing picture, dialogues that cast fishing rods and arouse interest.
I'm now remembering the news I came across before the season was released: "The second season of Shelter is A CANNON. Critics immediately gave it 100% freshness — they called the title the best science fiction in recent years."
And I have a clear parallel with Fincher's film "The Killer," which was also reported to have received a six-minute standing ovation at the Venice Film Festival. And in the end, I didn't really understand what I saw and why it took 2 hours (although I really love Fincher).
Somehow everything is delayed, the plot is moving very slowly, nothing significant has really happened in 6 episodes. For some reason, it seems to me that the first season was more fun, or so it seemed, because it was something new. But at least there was some kind of mystery that I wanted to solve (what the world really looks like from the outside, why those who are sent to clean up die, or they don't die). Maybe I'm not paying attention, but it's like the biggest mystery of this season for 6 episodes is who Solo really is. It's not very interesting to watch the mayor and an IT specialist unravel the ciphers. I hope that the last episodes will somehow disperse the series and the impression of the season will become better.
It's like 15-20 minutes stretched to almost 50.
I wonder how Bernard will continue to steer, consider himself alone🫡
And how sharply Sims will openly go against Bernard when he finds out the new deputy... how much his new position is legally strong against the mayor and it🤔
There's some kind of chewing gum here.
Of course, he throws the stargazer Lucas Kyle through life, then into the mines to certain death, then the assistant of Mera Holland. Rapid career growth! 😏😉
Billings is a straight master of "negotiators" - Tell me where, what's with Carla McLane, I'll tell you about the murder of Judge Meadows. Pull out the bullet, I'll tell you what you want to know, or rather you don't want to know.
"Juliet is alive"!✊ is an already established slogan, a symbol of struggle.It's strange why they chanted at the storming. 😏
And, of course, this scene is just awful: they say we've been starving for 2 hours, let's give up. I thought the mechanics were holding on to each other, but then it seemed to them that their main ones were just framed and would be killed for nothing. Residents of the besieged cities would not understand.
what he chooses is called a "symmetric key".
Considering that they communicate through BBS-level software... even if there is a whole silo of the same size somewhere, consisting entirely of supercomputers from the time before the disaster, and it has been serviced by a crowd of IT specialists for 500 years... On one A4 sheet, you can write a key so long that it will take decades to decrypt the message.
This is not even taking into account the moment of "racial diversity" in silos and the fact that people could create an equivalent of Esperanto over the centuries, and this makes it impossible for a person who does not know it to decipher it.
And he only used the Caesar cipher and the reverse of how much time he killed, although this is a problem for the programming Olympiad at the eighth-grade Olympiad...
Here it is somewhat simpler. If you think about everything in advance, then you can build hidden storages in the ground with reserve resources that will automatically open during a crisis and, formally, there can be as many as you like, especially since the project is planned for 500 years.
And about fantasy, I'm still crying from the moment about duct tape.
This solemn speech "And we will develop a new electrical tape!"... My God, who wrote this ...)))
If I tried to watch 1-2 episodes at a speed of 1, then only a speed of 2.5 helps so as not to waste time on it..
You can see how they stretch the first book into 2 seasons. But the next 2 decided to pack a book=season. Why not just do the same with the first one instead of stretching it like that?
With this logic, each of the Silos should have thousands of illegal manholes for movement and smuggling...
But there was a major demonstration, and here it's not clear, maybe it just went a little further than all the previous ones.
Let's go with the first one. There are a lot of detailed monotonous descriptions that do not immerse into the atmosphere, do not add visualization, do not move the plot, but simply make you bored. Cheap cliffhanger tricks that are already starting to annoy as the chapters progress, as are the jumps between the characters. This could have been avoided. And the lack of any answers at the end of the first book, so when you want to know something, it's better to start with the second one right away.
The second one can be read in theses and that will be enough.
And what was the Mission part of the story for? Why are the Solo chapters so long and messy? We already know about him from the first book, and in the second, his book time provides little of interest.
Donald's character (kind of like the main one here) doesn't really do anything about the plot at all. He is simply thrown from events to events by the will of fate, while he learns something, but does nothing with this information. It was incredibly boring for me to watch such a person. He was constantly whining and a lot of time was spent on his wife, first love, dog, so what?
And the most important thing. We've been getting closer to solving all these atrocities, but we still don't get a clear motivation for the destruction of all life in the world. And by the second book I would like to.
At the same time, I repeat to everyone that the very idea of this world, the design of shelters, their architecture and experiences are sooo intriguing. They arouse the desire to unravel with gg what's the matter here. Many moments make you think and ask yourself questions. A wonderful foundation for a dystopia.
And I can't break away from this universe, but I would like a richer and more thorough content.
Well, or I just reread too many dystopias/fiction that the sophisticated brain has something to compare with, which is why it suffocates
Horse racing is a parallel narrative. What and how to write is decided by the author. Horse racing can be charged in both The Martian and the Ave Maria Project.
All your dissatisfaction is that this way of storytelling is not convenient for you.
There was no question of describing the BUNKER itself, either, to be more careful (they meant descriptions of how something moved/dripped/sparkled, etc.
And my (as you put it) dissatisfaction is that I personally find such a narrative to be more drawn out and lengthy compared to the series. That's what I wrote in the first comment :)
so yes, this is "not convenient" for me specifically.
But you asked for an example, and I described it in detail.
In the series, everything was intertwined, time, plot, motivation, some plot dummies were extracted, others were changed. The book is simpler and more logical, but the end was written out of the blue, you're waiting for an uphill climb, and they show you a jump on the spot.
Well, at this time, we don't need a stocky, bearded, well-respected, pumped-up bumpkin Knox, whose entire generator set is ready to do anything, we have a strong and independent child with a lack of brains and logic.
I have nothing to do with the channel.
No one gives a shit about that right now..You know, the shooters want to show off or work out an agenda model, but the audience... Well, it's not for me to judge the audience, they have their own heads on their shoulders to understand the reasons.😅
It's a good thing that few really masterpieces are put to work, but more and more pop trash). Maybe time will sell and high-quality adaptations will appear again, then they will be taken up.
the series, but I love these stupid mechanics
, but it's like they've ruined the whole Knox and Shirley dynamic with romance. they were like siblings in my head, but certainly not lovers.... ehhh
Meanwhile, there are 4 episodes left before the finale, what will happen there.. Will Jules be able to save her hideout or not?!🤔
It's very interesting to me... The story develops at its own pace, maybe not as many events per episode as we would like, but what's the hurry? In each episode, something new happens, the plot does not stand still. The commentators haven't looked from the outside yet, that's where the real drag is))
great.
really, very painful
The barricades are being demolished, the floor is being sawed - the movement is quite good.
And judging by the title of the next episode, there will be a little more events in the new bunker. So it's too early to bury the series, we've just crossed the equator of the season)
The plot as a whole is similar to the book, but there are a number of points that go very differently and situations are perceived very differently. The series pays more attention to details and is sometimes too addictive, with a lot of fictional stuff that wasn't in the book. The only thing that upsets me is the many dumb moments that the scriptwriters have pulled. But overall it's not bad. I wonder if the ending of the 1st book will be the same.
It's already the sixth episode, but frankly, it's been overstayed, it's not a book rich enough to make an entire season based on half of it. And the appearance of Jules resembles the appearance of Melanie from Through the Snow, she was also constantly in the first season, and then they started hiding her somewhere.
"The second season of Shelter is A CANNON. Critics immediately gave it 100% freshness — they called the title the best science fiction in recent years."
And I have a clear parallel with Fincher's film "The Killer," which was also reported to have received a six-minute standing ovation at the Venice Film Festival. And in the end, I didn't really understand what I saw and why it took 2 hours (although I really love Fincher).
Somehow everything is delayed, the plot is moving very slowly, nothing significant has really happened in 6 episodes. For some reason, it seems to me that the first season was more fun, or so it seemed, because it was something new. But at least there was some kind of mystery that I wanted to solve (what the world really looks like from the outside, why those who are sent to clean up die, or they don't die). Maybe I'm not paying attention, but it's like the biggest mystery of this season for 6 episodes is who Solo really is. It's not very interesting to watch the mayor and an IT specialist unravel the ciphers.
I hope that the last episodes will somehow disperse the series and the impression of the season will become better.