How many Juliet are there in this episode) And again, how much is just a decent person. I could have quit Solo, but I couldn't. I really like everything about the plot. Progress has entered people's heads, and rules and laws are becoming remnants and archaisms due to development. Change does not pave the path to anarchy, it is the path to evolution and acceptance of a new world beyond escape. Life will find a way, even if it is hindered.
@hotdog666: You probably weren't paying attention. She says I found a suit, and I could have run away. But she didn't leave. And it's a second time for her to enter IT, she doesn't need supplies, but to return to her bunker.
@PiRanha: In these shelters. No more than) Like in the movie "The City of Amber". It's time to get up and leave the shelter, but the mayor doesn't need it, he's mad with power and doesn't want to lose it. It turns out that the idealistic and blind implementation of conditional laws turns managers into dependent lunatics, and everyone else into obedient slaves. As a result, we are witnessing history not in its infancy, but already in its development. Common sense drives people, they ask questions, and the general consciousness begins to change. But we must understand that some managers perform their function, which they are rooted in, while others have a natural process of development / evolution.
@UTKA_BLACK: Common sense has taken the people in the next bunker far, where is Jules now? In fact, they go straight to the same junction, so it is unlikely that in this case laws and regulations can be considered an anachronism. It's not Amber, it's not like that up here.
@raziel2011: and I agree with that. The mayor follows the instructions too relentlessly, completely unaware of his charges. A dosed portion of the truth could greatly improve the situation.
@Hidji: Suppression within the framework of these laws and regulations has turned into oppression. It's obvious. The truth would set everyone free. But whether from his great importance in his eyes, or from something else, Bernard does not give people true knowledge. From their keeper, turned into a guard) Of course, the scenario of another shelter is sad, but this is a consequence. I want to believe that with the return of Juliet, everything will change, and these changes will be as non-bloody as possible.
@UTKA_BLACK: I'm sorry, but it's difficult for me to speak about this in anything other than lengthy phrases without risking spoiling the full program). Even if the series differs from the books, it's not that significant. So let's watch the final one and wait for the third season))).
@UTKA_BLACK: And when people come to the surface, they won't need laws and rules anymore? Rules and laws should change, not disappear. Otherwise, people will just kill each other, which is what we see in the series, in the story, around. Well, you're talking some kind of pink nonsense.
@PiRanha: I hope that not only laws, norms, and rules, but also common sense keep you from killing other people. Don't take my words to heart, just think about it first. I wrote that this is not the way to anarchy, read it again and before going to bed again! "You're talking some kind of pink nonsense." - take off your pink glasses, maybe then the colors will be more natural.
@reddit: but this is not AI)))Although, of course, there are big differences regarding the book in the series finale, maybe the AI will get mixed up...but I liked how they did it in bunker 17, close enough to the book, even though they said in the last episode that they would gallop along the plot...
I wish all episodes of the 2nd season of "Shelter" were as interesting as this one. After all, they can show almost all the main characters and give everyone time.
@creator25ars: If we go from the plot of the books, then it is unlikely. But this is not exactly the plot of the books, or rather not the plot of the books at all. Although objectively speaking it would be difficult to describe the plot of the third book, it is easier to do it through a tunnel.
@hotdog666: So I don't understand what the point is. There are clothes, food, hygiene products What else is needed It would be fine if they were just boiling with hatred for solo
@kiprian_zhurov: probably, when there were more of them, there was a shortage of food, and they just wanted to take revenge Solo. Well, it's just that you have some kind of goal, so that you can exist for a reason.
@Hidji: really pissed me off) The categorical nature of her decisions is not childishly annoying. Even at the end, when Solo almost agreed to give the code, the bow keeps in a fighting position. Everyone has already figured it out, she's the only one who's stupid
@tweedlecat: You can't eat that kind of shit on rats. I remember the cheeky hungry one from the Hunger Games; Well, let them get a little thinner and dirtier if they really walk around the bunker without food and everything else.
@flaxman: I also thought about all this during the series, like yes, right now everyone will agree, Solo will launch them, and for the story arc this is a happy ending, but logically it's only a temporary solution. But in this case, I preferred to go with the flow, because a) I haven't read it, I don't know the nuances, but there is a direct answer from the original source (judging by your comment, no) and b) the denouement (the end of supplies) for this question will take, uh, some time, which the series does not have, so perhaps this moment is omitted intentionally.
@Slyther_In: There is an answer in the original source and it is quite logical there. Although, of course, there are no such choruses there, but there would be enough food there for Solo for a long time, for about his entire life. Because that's how the shelter was built. All finite and irreplaceable resources are designed for about 250 years. (Canned food in a sealed compartment, overalls, light bulbs - it's kind of like it was said in the third book).
@SoNa_13: Does this mean that when Solo lets the kids in, they're all going to die soon because there aren't enough supplies for so many mouths?
I just haven't figured it out yet (as it will be clarified in the next episode), is it a fatality from the Solo point of view, or will everything be fine there when Jules leaves, and they will continue to live happily ever after as a strange, dysfunctional family
@Slyther_In: I don't want to spoil it too much. And the plot of the series is not exactly based on the book. But even taking into account the children, there would be enough supplies for several years. In addition, in the book, the children did not need to eat Solo, since all this time they survived at the expense of farms, whose work supported the children at the level that the farm provided them with what they needed. Well, they also ate rats, dogs, and fish that swam in the flooded part of the shelter.
@SoNa_13: There were no dogs, he could only solo fish, and he taught them later. And the rest is like that, yes :D Especially about "not by the book." It would even be more accurate to say "not by the book at all." I had a question almost the whole episode: "what the hell is going on here?! What about Audrey, where is Hannah, where is Eliza, where is the cohesion between the children, what kind of squabble, and what kind of children they are here... And what kind of seyfgard soap..." :D But it was interesting, you can't take that away. Judging by the title, we are waiting for a warm welcome and hugs in the next episode.
@Kentavr: To be honest, I don't mind changing the book. So far, it looks logical and good, from my point of view. I guess I got carried away with dogs. But at first they were definitely eaten. In the third book we wrote about it. I think both the book and the series are good in terms of plot. Because what was in the third book is not very realizable to me (that's why there is a tunnel at the bottom) as for me!
@SoNa_13: why is this unrealizable? It is no more difficult to implement than they have shown now. The tummies were gone by the time the children arrived. Think of Solo's Shadow.
What nonsense We ate rats, but we have great hair and teeth, not skinny, a healthy child, and we shot arrows, and we communicate well with other people. We want to go to the storage But it's not entirely clear why, if the food and hairstyles are nothing like that.
@kiprian_zhurov: as for healthy teeth and hair, you can make a reference to books (more precisely, to the last one). It was there that Juliet's father had this question.
@e_g_rotman: I'm watching the show, not reading it. And if it's explained later in the series, no problem. But I'm not going to read anything for the answers.
@minerva13: Well, the question was raised why such healthy children and their children grew up in such conditions, and they don't get sick with anything, and their teeth are all good, and so on. They did not give an explicit answer, they left only hints.
@nastence: I didn't really understand what she did in the end and how they explained it. Did she replace the gas that they wanted to destroy shelter 17 with? 🤷🏻♂️
@flaxman: Yes, she changed the gas, but it wasn't replaced everywhere. Therefore, the outside of the body has decomposed strongly, but inside you can find more preserved ones. Well, the diseases and everything else of the remaining inhabitants were affected by the fact that they are healthier than they should have been under such living conditions.
Wow, they can when they want to. A wonderful series, triple beautiful against the background of the little-filled previous ones. It's a pity that this is the penultimate episode of the season, I want more such good episodes.
Juliette is just like a ruptured aorta, there is so much kindness and compassion in her. She has a lot of problems of her own, but she helps Solo and these poor bastards. And yes, ragamuffins don't look the same as the homeless and hungry. The Sims family is tricky, and I hope they'll get a fan to watch videos with old ladies.
@mixer1701: she helps to avoid being shot like that and to find a costume (she found the second one when she had already agreed that she would not be killed)
Let them not literally kill you, but drive you upstairs, let's say that too = death
@vizya: It's also interesting. I haven't read it, but I understand that this is still the first book. And the second one seems to have a background on where the shelters came from. It can be assumed that the first book will be stretched over three seasons.
@JardimFramboesa: Yes, this is the first book. if it stretches into the third full-fledged season, it will be a kick-ass tasteless, as for me the second book is the creation of shelters + the beginning of life in them
@JardimFramboesa: It would hardly be more logical to end the season in the same place where the first book ended, but this is Apple and logic is not their strong suit. 🤷🏻♂️
@JardimFramboesa: Judging by the fact that we have one episode left... The third season will be until the end of the first book. Because there are still enough events in the book (There are a few spoilers here - at least the riot didn't end at all and Jules didn't return to the 18th shelter...although she did it in a couple of chapters in the book, the water wasn't drained at 17 and the relationship between Jules and Lucas hasn't started at all yet, although according to the books it's about time). But as for me, it's not for 10 episodes, although I like the way the characters are revealed in the series much more than in the book. The author of the books can really believe in the plot, but he lacks the fullness of the characters themselves.
A great episode, for sure the season will end, as always, in the most interesting place. So far, it's unclear if the judge got to that place, why she didn't go any further, why the voice didn't speak to Juliet's boyfriend.🤷🏻♀️
@pomidorchik28: No, they have different parents—the corpses of Rick's mom and Audrey's dad are lying at the door; they got together after the other parents died. The little boy Benny is their son together. It turns out that Rick and Audrey are half—brother and sister, and they have one child, a baby.
(they talk about it at the 17th minute of the episode)
@Little_Squirrel: So Rick and Audrey have DIFFERENT parents. So they're not stepbrothers or siblings. The fact that their mother and father began to partner strongly after their birth does not make their children blood relatives. So, thank the gods, you can forget about incest.
@id763260414: So I'm not saying they're blood relatives. A stepbrother and a sister are just those who do not have common parents, that is, they are relatives purely formally. If there is one father, it is called "consanguineous," if there is one mother, it is called "consubstantial."
@Little_Squirrel: No, it's just the stepbrothers - it's not even formal at all. Because, as you correctly wrote, one of the parents is shared. Therefore, there is a genetic relationship in any way and, therefore, they are relatives and quite close. And when mom came to the family with her child and dad with his, then these children are, from a genetic point of view, nobody to each other. Therefore, getting married and having children is not a problem at all, there is no blood relationship. Yes, in a particular country it may be legally illegal, it may not be approved by society, but from the point of view, so to speak, incest, impoverishment of the genetic fund (which is important in such isolated populations as the bunker), transmission of genetically determined diseases - there are no problems.
@id763260414: God, I'm not talking about this at all, I'm not saying that incest is taking place here, I'm just saying on the contrary — they are stepbrothers, not blood relatives, so it's generally normal for them to have a child together :)
Just read the meaning of the phrase "stepbrothers" in any dictionary, and in the same Wikipedia. Ushakov, for example, has it well written: "Stepchildren are children from the first marriages of persons who entered into a second marriage, i.e. not relatives, not consanguineous or consubstantial, but strangers, brought together into one family."
@pomidorchik28: I think that "mines" is just a name for hard labor in some technical compartments, like cleaning sewers. because there is nowhere to drip there. There's this secret compartment with a shrew on the bottom. and the bunkers are too tightly packed to the side, as we were shown earlier.
@id763260414: No, the generator, as shown last season, runs on steam, and they don't seem to know where this steam comes from, judging by how it was repaired. and again, there is simply nowhere to dig, especially in so many years, if not centuries, the mines would have been dug up for another bunker.
@iken: Yes, that's right! For a couple. Some kind of geothermal source? But then what are they really doing in the mines? Maybe iron ore is mined?)) But again, where? It's not that far from bunker to bunker
@id763260414: Somewhere in the episode, Judge Meadows told this IT inmate that, thanks to the mines, the bunker has many household items.. As for the source of steam, I don't understand, but if the steam came out, the turbine was turned on, then where did it go?, there must be some kind of outlet pipe like in a thermal power plant, and perhaps engineers should think twice and build pipes to repair the turbine so that the steam can be diverted directly to the outlet....
@iken: they get their own oil there, if anything. And the mines are really mines where they dig all kinds of unspecified things. It's just that the series was simplified somewhat so as not to bother with the layout, but I think they'll show you what's what, albeit in a modified form.
@iken: They didn't pay much attention to them there, they were just, well, under the bunker somehow. But this shrew is slightly to the side, but approximately at the level of the entrance to the mines. In principle, she's on the sidelines here, they're also going through a gap in the wall somewhere there, but here the concept is different.
@iken: The mines are in the books, to be honest, I don't remember there being any. the tunnels went SIDEWAYS. The books say that digging SIDEWAYS is against the rules of the pact and is severely punished. It was forbidden for people not to find their neighbors. Actually, the tunnels appear in the books already when the rebellion ended and the government was replaced. I'm writing in quotation marks so as not to spoil it too much.
@u1568464: That's right, I've been thinking about it too... But maybe they'll explain something to us later... And judging by the video from above on the street, there are bunkers very close to each other, and if there are 50 or 51 of them, then they cannot be located like honeycombs and at the same time each bunker should have one side open to the mines ... Although it is possible that only the extreme bunkers had fishing in the mines....
Every time I'm amazed by the size of the bunker, how many years did it take people to build it!? Is it time for us to build such structures too due to the unstable situation in the modern world)
@_dasha_t: according to the books, it took about three years to build.. I didn't finish listening to the second book, maybe it took a few more years for the rest of the shelters, although it seems that they started building everything in parallel.
@_dasha_t: watch the video on the channel Mr. Bist video & # 34; 24 hours in the doomsday bunker& # 34; and the Moscow Metro is one big doomsday bunker)
The series is awesome! I'm glad that we finally told the story of Solo. It is very sad to realize that he was just a child during the riot. And he watched his father die without opening the door. I am glad that Lucas has been returned from exile and that this character has been developed. Now he is one of the key characters for the plot. The end is steep, I've been waiting for this tunnel to appear since I saw the drawings of the bunker in the first season.
@LoveToBones: interestingly, it turns out that only 3 people were at that door, and it seems that the current mayor of Bereard does not know about that place ... And now it is clear where Meadows judge went, in a conversation over her deadly dinner... She must have gone downstairs... But how did she know all about it? Maybe they'll tell you in the end... I think why they're forcing you to move only according to the regulations, because most likely, with any deviations, the bunker will be destroyed from the outside...
It's a good episode, I liked it. It seemed to me that Knox understood about the wiretapping or Marsha's betrayal, but did not condemn her, but decided to use this and gave her some kind of sign so that she would understand him.
Did we really wait for a really cool episode that we didn't want to speed up, but also in which the plot finally moved? Hurray! But the archer, so eager to kill, still managed to add a little bit.))
I'm amazed how the "founders" could have foreseen so many branches of events and written instructions for them for the heads of IT. If a strong AI is introduced into the plot, it will explain a lot. An AI with a program for preserving bunkers, who invented and implemented a system for cleaning the "memory" of the population of bunkers, etc. In fact, Bernard is really trying to save the shelter from extinction, as it was in the 17th century. A typical "villain" for the viewer, as they want to show him, but in fact a man of duty.
@Paramelion: I believe that this is described in the code of rules for the heads of IT (Bernard mentioned it several times when he was talking to the judge and, like, with Sims).
it's probably anticipated there- if you tell everything, for example, people will be depressed and start working poorly \ supplying the bunker\ supporting bunker processes, killing themselves out of desperation, going crazy, the level of violence will rise - in total, the bunker will die out in the end due to lack of sufficient gene pool.
@PavelFyodorov: My theory is that AI is the main villain of the bunker universe. He destroyed the world and drove people underground, deprived them of technology, and wrote a Charter with many prohibitions. I haven't read any books, I only judge by the series.
I don't share everyone's excitement about the series. A group of survivors is as illogical as possible as a unit of existence in this world. How did you live, what did you eat, what did you do? They also multiplied, holy shit! Plus the young, hysterical morons (I mean the girl with the bow), they're in the Afr.. Bunker - juvenile morons -))
I really liked the moment with a little "hysteria" Jules, like, yes, I'm tired of you all, you need this code, not me, I can just leave))) When you help, you help, but they don't believe you, and you also have to prove it)) The generous Jules
A lot has become clear. Awesome And now we take into account the fact that the series of novels was written in 2011, that is, and even the books may have an AI model that controls the bunker, leading the analysis, quite logically. Although I haven't read the books and I'm afraid of spoilers. And what else does this date 2011 give us? That's right, there was already a Fallout universe with bunkers and ..... experiments..... Maybe that's why they're constantly playing with the 50/51 bunker number? What are the elites of this world drinking juice in their neighborhood at 51?) I directly reviewed, they said 50/51 several times.
It turns out that the judge got drunk after talking to the AI, and therefore, after coming out of a binge, she asked to go outside. Seeing that Jewel had survived? The conclusion is that the AI destroys the entire bunker in case of threat/rejection. However, from what? From the purpose of the experiment? We are waiting for the rest of the letter about “safeguard”. Corny, but interesting.
The most interesting thing is that after Salvador Quinn talked to AI, he did not fall to the bottom of the bottle, but imposed censorship on books, banning everything, and as we know from previous episodes, was the world 140 years old? That is, out of fear, he went to such lengths to save the bunker from being cleaned up.
If it turns out that the other 50 had exactly the same people/rules/model of AI, and not as in fallout - different experiments and kits. It turns out that they are trying to breed a submissive race of people who would not rebel every 25 years.
And yet, for so many years, only a couple of people have gone down to the bottom? Yes, it's great, you showed the moment where the mechanics "almost at the bottom" left their names on the wall of memory, solving the mystery of the pattern, why they are always accused of everything at every mutiny. Has no one tied a longer rope? Or do they all have a fear of water instilled in them since childhood?
@egri4: the main thing is, how will he reach this rope when he goes back? And another, I realize, stuffy moment: did the judge climb the rope too?? And did you come down too? Was she young and athletic, just like Juliet? And then you got drunk and got fat?
@egri4: Well, imagine living in a bunker, an absolutely enclosed space, everything you consume is the result of the work of this closed system. Everything is limited and regulated, hence the control over the number of people. It's the same with water - they have no seas, no rivers, no lakes. All available water is from the tap and in the irrigation systems of farms. Even if the mechanics went down, how do you think they would feel from such a HUGE amount of water? I would have fucked up, to be honest.
@kingforthesirens: In general, it's interesting to see that when you look into it, it's as if you're experiencing yourself with the hero on the screen, and it's also very emotional how they look at this torn sheet from a magazine reverently, and you understand them by imagining yourself in their place.
@Danusha0803: I specifically watched this moment from the first season, they didn't show us that she went under water. Jules got scared and stayed hanging on the rope, and that was the end of the episode.
The series is cool. So many lines and everything promotes the plot. Of course, I kind of ran into a spoiler here in the comments about the fate of the mayor) But I just want to see how it all happens)
And I'm curious) How the judge went down to the tunnel) Or was it back in her youth)
@Paramelion: Perhaps the judge thought to take a longer rope and make knots on it at regular intervals so that the feet rest on them, this greatly simplifies the matter.
@g1557380: this, in general, was clear even at the end of last season. The bunkers are very close, they are the same, at the very bottom there is equipment for construction and a secret passage, it remains only to add 1 + 1
@Norax: But then it's not very clear how she didn't notice the tunnel, it's not hidden there at all and it's big enough, she seemed to be climbing down a rope with a flashlight. I don't remember the exact narration, but she seemed to have learned the information that there was a tunnel there and probably assumed in advance that it was under water.
@AlexandrNovikov: in theory, it should be black and black. It's actually a cave. They made it light purely for the audience. The light sources are point-based, in the form of dim technical lamps.
To be honest, I didn't like the way the survivors were introduced in the series at all. Anyone who has read the book will understand. I was terribly annoyed by this madam with a bow. There is one episode left until the end of the season. It's strange that they're dragging on with the uprising.
@Paramelion: but is it not clear even without books?) Well, they really just barricaded themselves in there, out of idleness. And what do you think Bernard is trying to prevent? Not an uprising?
@Liyuuuuunder: before watching season 2, I was sure that she would return through an underground tunnel and like "sunrise, sunrise))) (I haven't read a book)
I haven't read the book, there are no spoilers in the comments. I can hardly imagine the real purpose of the secret tunnel. Technologically, judging by the drilling rig, the bunker was dug from top to bottom, structurally we have management sectors at the top, food supply in the middle, energy supply at the bottom, and for something a side tunnel is being built at the very bottom, as if the only idea that comes to mind is to connect the bunkers to each other through some central one that it connects them together and apparently this access is under some kind of protection, but then there are only questions. And then there are the constant hints of Bunker 51. There are 50 typical bunkers located next to each other and some kind of incomprehensible 51st. I assume that 50 bins are located relative to each other along a circle and there is a 51st between them in the center, and in order to access it, you need the bunker to fulfill some conditions. I'm launching a theory that all 50 bunkers are somehow competing without knowing it and should transform into some kind of perfect society, after which they will have access to the center, and there will be some kind of rocket and they will fly to colonize another planet, this planet seems to be Khan. But really, then why is this stage of the selection preliminary... like to be sure that humanity will not repeat a nuclear war on a new planet, being a cohesive society that won the inter-class war, these are the thoughts
@AlexandrNovikov: The thought of some kind of social experiment was also creeping in. But the theory about building an ideal society is questionable, since initially everyone was given a clear list of rules. And the class war can only end with either victory or the death of civilization.
@AlexandrNovikov: maybe to find a bunker with a gene of submissive slaves developed over 500 years, and then the elites and VIPs from 51st will take them away as servants) Or, indeed, so that the next population of the earth would not be belligerent. I hope we'll find out in 6 days.
Oh, some events have started to unfold. This security protocol and tunnel are mysterious, and the water is knee-deep. 😂 Wildly cured by a hysterical archer
Okay. I give up. I don't give a shit about this snot. It's beautiful, of course, but I want to know more and faster. I've downloaded a bunch of Howie's books and short stories, and I need to know in what order to read them all. I swam among all the names. And which ones generally relate to Silo. A total of 9 Filibuster stories. Tell me the order.
@maryjanejkk: it works through the Tor. The creator of the filibuster recently passed away and managed to transfer the filibuster to another person before his death.
@Pranker: I just didn't understand where she was rushing to, knowing that there are a lot of similar bunkers, and there is poisonous air and radiation on the surface.
@kotenokgaff: A dinner of silence was imposed on her. She no longer had the strength to keep everything to herself, which was why she couldn't dry out, and if she had let it slip, the entire bunker of 10,000 people would have been destroyed. Judge Meadows didn't care what was waiting for her outside, as long as it wasn't here.
Finally, the plot has moved on. In fact, we could have seen these events already in the third series if Apple had a goal to tell an interesting story, and not to collect subscription money from the Goyim.
Another unrealistic point, by the way, is that since there is a baby there, he would periodically scream anyway, so that he would be heard even in remote parts of the shelter and Jules would quickly realize that someone else was living in the bunker.
@pomidorchik28: Would you hear a screaming baby from the first floor, living on the 20th floor? And there are more than a hundred of them and they are about as high as 3-4 of our floors in theory, although about a third is flooded, but the area is huge. Plus, they're also cheating, making noise.
@Kentavr: it seems to me that they did not live at a great distance from the server room. And there would be an echo from the cry of the child. Have you ever been present at a child's tantrum?
@pomidorchik28: I work at a children's hospital. And if a child is yelling nonsense and sirens in the emergency room, but the door is closed, nothing can be heard 10-20 meters away. The bunker is still a bunker, people lived there and didn't suffer much because of the acoustics, otherwise there would have been a moratorium on talking outdoors.
Plus, when Solo turned on the music so that Jules could hear it and come to him, these guys who live in the bunker would have heard it too. In other words, they knew what music was.
@pomidorchik28: Well, first of all, if I ask you if you know what the Doppler effect is, for example, chances are that you'll just shrug your shoulders, even though you've seen it a hundred times. And secondly, there's a pretty massive door in the server room, and even though we were shown how they communicate through it, it will still muffle sounds.
Finally, they told the story of Solo (although in general it was quite predictable, I immediately guessed that he was someone's son from IT). And finally, this mysterious tunnel and door were shown. The story of Judge Meadows and why she wanted to get out became a little clearer.
I just didn't quite understand one thing. Jules also went down to the bottom in search of a tunnel, and if my memory serves me correctly, then everything was flooded. And now Lucas is standing quietly in knee-deep water. Wtf.
Anyway, hooray, at least some progress in the plot! The line of rebellion, of course, continues to be as boring as possible. But thanks for giving me a lot of Juliet. Now we are waiting for her to return to her native bunker.
Finally, a normal and interesting episode with Jules! It is a pity that she is not the second, but the ninth.
P.S. The girl with the bow infuriated the whole series. She's really some kind of maniacilla. She doesn't care about common sense at all, all she can think about is kill, kill, kill. If I were her boyfriend, I'd stay away from her.
@EbakaWin: by the way, I didn't see in the comments to the series (maybe, of course, I missed it) that anyone was wondering why in an isolated society for 250-350 years (10-15 generations), it seems like in the absence of racial segregation or racism in general, there are still clearly Caucasians, Negroes, Mongoloids, etc. that for the "mixed" population of the bunker, it would be necessary to select the appropriate actors/ extras, but nevertheless this is another one in the series, which is not explained in any way.
@id972349034: 250-350 years old? It's literally nothing to mix a bulldog with a rhinoceros.. I'm not even talking about the fact that the tanned sheriff's gene will be stronger than that of his scary vifa.. Have you seen their baby, stolet?
@id972349034: most likely, there is regulation. After all, they regulate the birth rate as a whole and decide which couple can give birth and which one can not, for sure this is taken into account.
@EbakaWin: so in your opinion, people of different races differ as different species, for example, a bulldog with a rhinoceros? Different species, by the way, cannot have fertile offspring.
@EbakaWin: and which of the listed (or any other) hybrids are not sterile? And can you understand the meaning of the statement "different species cannot have fertile offspring"?
@id972349034: Different species can have fertile offspring, but if you cross them, they don't. And males are usually sterile.. Have you decided to remember biology? So ask your teacher tomorrow, madam..
@EbakaWin: A fertile offspring is an offspring capable of leaving its offspring. So if the males of hybrid species X are sterile, who will fertilize the females of hybrid species X? Tell me honestly, is this trolling stupidity?
@Vilgelmster: A species is considered unviable if it cannot reproduce itself in a closed system. And if you add another species to it, then this is automatic degeneration after a couple of generations, when complete assimilation has already occurred. And again there will be separate lions and tigers. Humans have a completely different scheme, when mixed, stable hybrids are obtained, in this case in the form of mulattoes. In fact, after ten to fifteen generations, the entire population of the bunker should look the same if there is no strict control over the birth of children in certain couples. And he's here, by the way. So the argument is generally meaningless).
The series is interesting) A lot of things have become clear. Solo's story is straight to the heart, I feel sorry for him, of course. For some reason, it seems to me that Lucas will open that door and find the entrance/ exit to bunker 17. I haven't read the books, if anything))
Did you notice how the Hindu turned on the flashlight on his head, jumped into the water, and the flashlight was no longer there? And he takes another one out of his pocket and turns it on.
I really liked the episode, I really want to hear the spoiler. I read all the comments :D The next series would have been released faster. But I understand that there probably won't be many answers, as a seed for the next season. I also hated the woman with the bow, I wanted to punch her. Well, if there are 2 sets of spacesuits, they will go to 2 in the last bunker.
@Maksim_kravchenko: Jules will probably take the girl who is being abused by the survivors in the new bunker with him and arrange a vacation for his old cellmates.
@Maksim_kravchenko: in general, I couldn't resist, I talked to chatgpt and he answered all my questions from the books, it became clear about the world of the bunker, I calmed down :)
@Ytzin: so this is a character intentionally added as an irritant in order to evoke the maximum range and contrast of emotions in the viewer, this is the canon of the pop industry. You have 5,000 watched episodes in your profile, and you still haven't seen it?
@id972349034: Yes, you have opened my eyes, dear father, thank you and bow to the floor. All these TV shows (these in the sense of such, and not at all) actually accustomed me to the inflation of actions. A character can save a character, and after five minutes they will have a deadly quarrel from scratch, on the other hand, a character can try to kill a character, and after five minutes they will eat ice cream together. But here it's a little different, the character attacks gg and no matter how bad he is, but a sudden twist - the character needs to feed the baby, which means he's not bad, which means you have to forget that he just tried to kill gg. An amazing twist! I hope it's so long and tedious that it will be more accessible to you than the same thing written briefly, you're welcome.
@Ytzin: The skirt robe may be caricatured, and the actions of such characters look illogical, but.. According to lore, we'll put it down to the fact that our young survivalists grew up in each other's company, and all they learned to do was make onions out of shit and sticks, and put pussy in each other's pussy. So, what should I take from them?
@EbakaWin: Yes, g-d is with her with logic. Just put yourself in Juliet's shoes: they tried to kill you three times, inflicted severe injuries and a coffin disease. How would you react in such a situation?
@6o4ka: She didn't dive, did she? I just saw the black expanse of the sea-okiyana. And whistled up. But you shouldn't be talking about technology, kaneshn. In vain, in vain, in vain. Let's figure out that bunkers are an analogue of Atlantis. And in order to finish off all this for some purpose, it's not a sapper's shovel that's needed here, but the technology of, let's say, the Ancients. Well, then I can't imagine what will happen in the end.
@6o4ka: The technologies that people use are old, but IT is already another millennium, one tablet is worth a lot... And the years are described not in our time, but far beyond...
The most important question of this series for me is how did Judge Meadows, with her obviously athletic figure, descend to the tunnel on a tightrope and climb back up? Let's say she did it in her youth, but I doubt very much that she, a representative of the upper floors, has as much strength and endurance as mechanics. When Jules came down, it was obvious how much effort it cost her, and she's powerful.
An interesting series for events , why couldn 't it have been narrated in the same spirit before Tunnels between bunkers are very large. The third season promises to be interesting.
The author of the books really went wrong with the mines, and the screenwriters followed him. Well, what kind of mines, what to mine there, the land. The lower floors would have looked much more realistic, where they processed waste at the very bottom, then a drilling rig, then a distillation plant, and only then a generator room, supply, etc. That is, they violated the law either in the most difficult working conditions or on their way out.
"Running for cover" is also too much, i.e. these are not bookish 2 teenagers, 3 children and a baby who are hiding in farms on the 120th floor, surviving in semi-darkness, in rags. Why, it's better to let them live on the 5th level, they hang a bunch of light bulbs, it's okay, no one will notice.
For those who don't want to read the original source, I feel sorry for you. The series is three times digested feces compared to the original, you spread it all over and say, "I wonder what's going to happen next."
@Hidji: It is good that the author of the book thought through this moment and did not lock HIMSELF in four walls for 34 years and created an understanding of the atmosphere in which children lived, an atmosphere where people in a bunker killed each other for a tomato, where they were taught to hide, and not to hang garlands and point an arrow.
I really liked that moment between Jules and Solo, it's so cute. 🥺 Anyway, it's very interesting to watch the development of their relationship from episode to episode.
At the end of the tenth episode, I still didn't understand what it was! They showed a normal civilisation where a man met a woman in a bar.What was that all about? What's the point of this moment?
- The founders built 50 bunkers. - Technically 51. Interesting numbers, it looks like the United States: 50 states, but technically 51, since the District of Columbia and Washington are on their own, technically the 51st state. The Founding Fathers, again
You're such a nasty girl with arrows that I'll kill you right away, you idiot. And you're in a bunker with no food, everyone is dead, the bunker is destroyed, but let's fix the kids, hooray, that's a cool plan.
@Hidji: true, but you already have a child and you saw how difficult it was to grow up, but no, you decided to make another one, I just don't understand why, because there's nothing nearby.
The most interesting episode of the season. Each main character of the series has formed active and ambitious goals. It's interesting to watch. It turns out that the former chief cop was faced with an ultimatum, either outside, or something else that would also be offered to the Indian. What will it be?
I really like everything about the plot. Progress has entered people's heads, and rules and laws are becoming remnants and archaisms due to development. Change does not pave the path to anarchy, it is the path to evolution and acceptance of a new world beyond escape. Life will find a way, even if it is hindered.
It turns out that the idealistic and blind implementation of conditional laws turns managers into dependent lunatics, and everyone else into obedient slaves.
As a result, we are witnessing history not in its infancy, but already in its development. Common sense drives people, they ask questions, and the general consciousness begins to change.
But we must understand that some managers perform their function, which they are rooted in, while others have a natural process of development / evolution.
Of course, the scenario of another shelter is sad, but this is a consequence. I want to believe that with the return of Juliet, everything will change, and these changes will be as non-bloody as possible.
Don't take my words to heart, just think about it first. I wrote that this is not the way to anarchy, read it again and before going to bed again!
"You're talking some kind of pink nonsense." - take off your pink glasses, maybe then the colors will be more natural.
in this one, I understand, it is also engaged in planning and sometimes gives commands.
Bernard rip 🫡finally even enough time for Juliet)
And it turned out cool with Lucas, the guy didn't develop as a character behind a screen. 👍🏽
There are clothes, food, hygiene products
What else is needed
It would be fine if they were just boiling with hatred for solo
Well, it's just that you have some kind of goal, so that you can exist for a reason.
I remember the cheeky hungry one from the Hunger Games;
Well, let them get a little thinner and dirtier if they really walk around the bunker without food and everything else.
If not, that's it.
It's good that everyone ate ice cream afterwards.
I just haven't figured it out yet (as it will be clarified in the next episode), is it a fatality from the Solo point of view, or will everything be fine there when Jules leaves, and they will continue to live happily ever after as a strange, dysfunctional family
Especially about "not by the book." It would even be more accurate to say "not by the book at all."
I had a question almost the whole episode: "what the hell is going on here?! What about Audrey, where is Hannah, where is Eliza, where is the cohesion between the children, what kind of squabble, and what kind of children they are here... And what kind of seyfgard soap..." :D
But it was interesting, you can't take that away. Judging by the title, we are waiting for a warm welcome and hugs in the next episode.
I guess I got carried away with dogs. But at first they were definitely eaten. In the third book we wrote about it.
I think both the book and the series are good in terms of plot. Because what was in the third book is not very realizable to me (that's why there is a tunnel at the bottom) as for me!
The tummies were gone by the time the children arrived. Think of Solo's Shadow.
it seemed to me that the story about the clogged earthmoving machine into which they crammed a backup reactor was difficult to implement
We ate rats, but we have great hair and teeth, not skinny, a healthy child, and we shot arrows, and we communicate well with other people.
We want to go to the storage
But it's not entirely clear why, if the food and hairstyles are nothing like that.
And if it's explained later in the series, no problem.
But I'm not going to read anything for the answers.
I want to read books, no problem
I don't read Season 2 books
Even if it's not like that, you've ruined my viewing pleasure.
Therefore, the outside of the body has decomposed strongly, but inside you can find more preserved ones.
Well, the diseases and everything else of the remaining inhabitants were affected by the fact that they are healthier than they should have been under such living conditions.
And yes, ragamuffins don't look the same as the homeless and hungry.
The Sims family is tricky, and I hope they'll get a fan to watch videos with old ladies.
Ahahah) Thank you for your comment :D
Let them not literally kill you, but drive you upstairs, let's say that too = death
the second book is the creation of shelters + the beginning of life in them
(they talk about it at the 17th minute of the episode)
Just read the meaning of the phrase "stepbrothers" in any dictionary, and in the same Wikipedia. Ushakov, for example, has it well written: "Stepchildren are children from the first marriages of persons who entered into a second marriage, i.e. not relatives, not consanguineous or consubstantial, but strangers, brought together into one family."
As for the source of steam, I don't understand, but if the steam came out, the turbine was turned on, then where did it go?, there must be some kind of outlet pipe like in a thermal power plant, and perhaps engineers should think twice and build pipes to repair the turbine so that the steam can be diverted directly to the outlet....
And the mines are really mines where they dig all kinds of unspecified things.
It's just that the series was simplified somewhat so as not to bother with the layout, but I think they'll show you what's what, albeit in a modified form.
Although it is possible that only the extreme bunkers had fishing in the mines....
and the Moscow Metro is one big doomsday bunker)
I am glad that Lucas has been returned from exile and that this character has been developed. Now he is one of the key characters for the plot.
The end is steep, I've been waiting for this tunnel to appear since I saw the drawings of the bunker in the first season.
And now it is clear where Meadows judge went, in a conversation over her deadly dinner... She must have gone downstairs... But how did she know all about it? Maybe they'll tell you in the end...
I think why they're forcing you to move only according to the regulations, because most likely, with any deviations, the bunker will be destroyed from the outside...
But they brought some noise to the end, of course, it's terribly interesting what's next!)
judging by the number of wounds)
Will the intern find what he's looking for?
What if it's all an experiment?
In fact, Bernard is really trying to save the shelter from extinction, as it was in the 17th century. A typical "villain" for the viewer, as they want to show him, but in fact a man of duty.
it's probably anticipated there- if you tell everything, for example, people will be depressed and start working poorly \ supplying the bunker\ supporting bunker processes, killing themselves out of desperation, going crazy, the level of violence will rise - in total, the bunker will die out in the end due to lack of sufficient gene pool.
When you help, you help, but they don't believe you, and you also have to prove it)) The generous Jules
- I know, well, it's when a man and a woman have sex with a condom.
AI: Oh my God
And now we take into account the fact that the series of novels was written in 2011, that is, and even the books may have an AI model that controls the bunker, leading the analysis, quite logically.
Although I haven't read the books and I'm afraid of spoilers. And what else does this date 2011 give us? That's right, there was already a Fallout universe with bunkers and ..... experiments..... Maybe that's why they're constantly playing with the 50/51 bunker number? What are the elites of this world drinking juice in their neighborhood at 51?) I directly reviewed, they said 50/51 several times.
It turns out that the judge got drunk after talking to the AI, and therefore, after coming out of a binge, she asked to go outside. Seeing that Jewel had survived? The conclusion is that the AI destroys the entire bunker in case of threat/rejection. However, from what? From the purpose of the experiment? We are waiting for the rest of the letter about “safeguard”. Corny, but interesting.
The most interesting thing is that after Salvador Quinn talked to AI, he did not fall to the bottom of the bottle, but imposed censorship on books, banning everything, and as we know from previous episodes, was the world 140 years old? That is, out of fear, he went to such lengths to save the bunker from being cleaned up.
If it turns out that the other 50 had exactly the same people/rules/model of AI, and not as in fallout - different experiments and kits. It turns out that they are trying to breed a submissive race of people who would not rebel every 25 years.
And don't spoil it, please.
Has no one tied a longer rope?
Or do they all have a fear of water instilled in them since childhood?
Even if the mechanics went down, how do you think they would feel from such a HUGE amount of water? I would have fucked up, to be honest.
Of course, I kind of ran into a spoiler here in the comments about the fate of the mayor) But I just want to see how it all happens)
And I'm curious) How the judge went down to the tunnel) Or was it back in her youth)
And these two, without returning from somewhere, immediately took out a long rope (longer than Jules had, like), not even a rope.
And yes, it's not clear about Meadows at all how she got there, even if she was young.
maybe these tunnels under the Bunker are a passage between the bunkers.
It's strange that no one dared to dive, explore
This is zhiir!
Or, indeed, so that the next population of the earth would not be belligerent.
I hope we'll find out in 6 days.
Wildly cured by a hysterical archer
1. Wool;
2. Shift;
3. Dust.
There are more stories that come at the end after the books:
— In the air
— In the mountain
— In the woods
I just didn't quite understand one thing. Jules also went down to the bottom in search of a tunnel, and if my memory serves me correctly, then everything was flooded. And now Lucas is standing quietly in knee-deep water. Wtf.
Anyway, hooray, at least some progress in the plot! The line of rebellion, of course, continues to be as boring as possible. But thanks for giving me a lot of Juliet. Now we are waiting for her to return to her native bunker.
P.S. The girl with the bow infuriated the whole series. She's really some kind of maniacilla. She doesn't care about common sense at all, all she can think about is kill, kill, kill. If I were her boyfriend, I'd stay away from her.
that for the "mixed" population of the bunker, it would be necessary to select the appropriate actors/ extras, but nevertheless this is another one in the series, which is not explained in any way.
Wake up already- you're fucked..
And can you understand the meaning of the statement "different species cannot have fertile offspring"?
Have you decided to remember biology? So ask your teacher tomorrow, madam..
So if the males of hybrid species X are sterile, who will fertilize the females of hybrid species X?
Tell me honestly, is this trolling stupidity?
All these TV shows (these in the sense of such, and not at all) actually accustomed me to the inflation of actions. A character can save a character, and after five minutes they will have a deadly quarrel from scratch, on the other hand, a character can try to kill a character, and after five minutes they will eat ice cream together.
But here it's a little different, the character attacks gg and no matter how bad he is, but a sudden twist - the character needs to feed the baby, which means he's not bad, which means you have to forget that he just tried to kill gg. An amazing twist!
I hope it's so long and tedious that it will be more accessible to you than the same thing written briefly, you're welcome.
I was more pleased with how cyborg Solych walked on the second day.. After an arrow in the spine, stained with shit..
I wonder why Juliet might need a second costume. Should I take Solo with me to my bunker? Or this girl?
And what's with the door at the end with the voice, is there a tunnel at all - is it a passage to another bunker or somewhere else?
As I understand it, either there is some kind of video surveillance, or the voice is stupid AI, which is unlikely with their technology, although it is possible...
And yes, the depth below used to be such that you could drown, but now it's knee-deep. Did Jules pump out the water here too?
But you shouldn't be talking about technology, kaneshn. In vain, in vain, in vain. Let's figure out that bunkers are an analogue of Atlantis. And in order to finish off all this for some purpose, it's not a sapper's shovel that's needed here, but the technology of, let's say, the Ancients. Well, then I can't imagine what will happen in the end.
Tunnels between bunkers are very large. The third season promises to be interesting.
etc. That is, they violated the law either in the most difficult working conditions or on their way out.
"Running for cover" is also too much, i.e. these are not bookish 2 teenagers, 3 children and a baby who are hiding in farms on the 120th floor, surviving in semi-darkness, in rags. Why, it's better to let them live on the 5th level, they hang a bunch of light bulbs, it's okay, no one will notice.
For those who don't want to read the original source, I feel sorry for you.
The series is three times digested feces compared to the original, you spread it all over and say, "I wonder what's going to happen next."
Anyway, it's very interesting to watch the development of their relationship from episode to episode.
- Technically 51.
Interesting numbers, it looks like the United States: 50 states, but technically 51, since the District of Columbia and Washington are on their own, technically the 51st state. The Founding Fathers, again