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| Runtime: | 66 min. |
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Discussion: Season 5, Episode 7 Join the Discussion
1133It's not even obvious who influenced Eleven more.: The parent figure of Hopper, who has a family and a loved one, and he still chose to sacrifice himself on occasion?
Another question is that Kali voluntarily and forcibly imposes this idea on El...
I wonder how all this will be resolved
But yes, this very fact pushes El towards Kali's propaganda, which inspires El with the idea that everything is perishable, resistance to evil militaries is useless, and only Roskomnadzor can be a solution. Which in itself begs the question "who said it was useless?". And besides, there is the following feeling: Kali already knows that her blood will not create super soldiers. Therefore, the whole pact is really questionable, rather she will say at the last moment, "haha, you're the only evil here, you need to get drunk, but I can live and I won't even cause armegeddon!"
But come on, let's play the game "reality is not TV" with you. So in reality, your "huge machine" is unable to find the crap out of people it would really like to find and put away. And we're only talking about America. And the world is actually big. Unlike movies and TV series, the reality of which you have already adopted, the American (like any other) "huge machine" is generally unable to reach anywhere outside its country in the vast majority of cases. And in the 80s, when not every fart was digitally recorded, it was difficult even within your own country. If self-intoxication is the best way out for every fear of the state (whatever it may be), then going to the doctor would not be a bad idea. And even if the prospect of not going to school or work on normal documents inspires thoughts of suicide in you as the best way out of the situation, then it's probably even too late to see a doctor...
Thank God!
Mike was really "Tammy" to Will 🙏🏻
Thank God, thank the Duffers, and thank the whole universe, that the series did not descend into the depths of the fan service.
But nothing about the fact that))
Well, in general, in no interviews has anyone ever made any precise hints about the plot of the series, at least not something that strongly affects the plot or the perception of the audience. So that 🙄
Do you need to order a toilet at home as a New Year's gift? I can even fork out for 4 layers. I just feel sorry for you)
Give me your address, I'll order something)
PS. Are you a faggot that you don't pick up the phone?
Okay, I think I paid too much attention to your ego. Soryan, I won't feed him anymore and waste time on you)
I think I should file a complaint against you for insulting, slandering, and swearing. Your data is already there)
On the Internet, this schmuck is still making threats. The absolute is omitted. Please come to your mother.
I burst into tears, it was so touching, and I'm glad that he's no longer afraid, that he's turning from a fragile, introverted boy into a guy who's not afraid to fight back, that he's no longer as weak as he used to be.
The whole company is finally here, waiting for the final battle.
plus, Kali is bothering me, and especially her plan to "self-detach", I hope Audie comes to her senses.…
This, by the way, suggests that they are "tolerant" of gays, but not tolerant of people with differing opinions))
and will's self-determination is the most important point of his branch
Damn, the decision to admit "I'm gay dudes" is the most important moment in the character's story, where we fell, to what bottom...
An absolute classic. Those who shout about racism - for them, racism is unacceptable only in their direction (check out yesterday's story about a white cupcake maker), those who shout about freedom of speech are happy to shut up everyone with a different opinion.
For some reason, in other series, they can often make normal gays (for example, in Brooklyn), and there will be no complaints. It's disgusting to look at it right there, thank God, you can listen to stupid moments against the background.
His revelation is about how to be yourself and about the courage to be real.
And how not to live in doublethink or under a mask, in fear of voicing an unpopular opinion
Cinq ebaut zis
Of course, it's good to just label everyone who doesn't agree with you as "homophobic," but that won't make your behavior any more adequate.
I love it when people talk about this topic without being directly related to it. Fuck the experts. It's like I'm going to talk about poverty and hard life in Africa with a smart fucker right now.
I was completely unmoved by this scene, it was just nonsense.
PS. of course, pandora's box has opened for me. I didn't think there were so many non-tastes here.
the same people in Doctor Who are happy with any new "ingenious" moves by the directors (again related to the orientations, etc. of the characters)
, there don't seem to be many of them, but they are too "loud"
And another indicator that you are not particularly intellectually developed is that you mentioned emotional intelligence. The phrase is beautiful, but you don't know what it's about. People with low emotional intelligence = poor leaders. What does homophobia have to do with it, I don't understand at all😁
But then again, what else can you call those who can't stand the topic of homosexuality in the center of the plot? I don't think they've come up with another word for it)
It's me, though..
Typical homophobic
they just decided to hug a non-tastic person for the company.
Max is finally back.
There's something obviously wrong with Kali, she's kind of muddy, I hope something bad doesn't happen because of her(
Waiting for the finale
I can't even imagine that there's only one episode left and the best series will just end, I don't want to believe it.
P.S. who needs to be approached to hug - just tell me
I think it's more like a prequel for the future. If so, they won't show it in the last episode.
Everything happens so fast, and they take the time to show every minute how naked she is in the background on the sidelines (yes, we already realized that she would betray), the same and sometimes very stupid dialogues (Joyce, Robin, etc.), for some reason Will gathered all of them (it would be better if they were only close ones and not at such a moment), the military line is just as bad as it could be, and in general there are many more strange moments, even too lazy to describe. There was so much time, but it was as if both the actors and the screenwriters had already exhausted themselves by the end and were shooting in the "yes, it will do" mode. Somehow, the magic of the series is not felt at all, I still hope they will be able to finish with dignity and the two-hour finale will not let them down.
Well, as I understand it, no one will be merged anymore, maybe a maximum of one character in the main battle. For some reason, I realized that I didn't have the courage to kill one of the main ones, at the moment when Lucas kicked the demogorgon.
I'm betting that if 11 doesn't survive, Will will finish the Mike he started, so Curly won't be left without a pair. Hopp + Joyce = wedding, and then they have Odie. And everyone will be happy 🙃
I'm waiting for the last and final episode, and then I'll review it every year like Harry Potter.
That's exactly what I did) and now I'm super happy)))
I don't know about the original, but I screamed wildly from Robin's joke when she compared the helicopter and Steve, and from the subsequent reaction of this kind-hearted man😄😄😄
Let's omit the fact that the confession scene is far-fetched. After all, for some reason, Vecna decided to scare Will not by killing all his loved ones, but by the fact that they might not accept him. But the hugging moment brought tears to my eyes. And yes, the analogy with Tammy was clear from the very beginning, no matter how much some might deny it.
they just decided to hug a non-taster for the company.
And I like that this topic is related to his strength, that you can't be really strong if you don't know yourself and be honest with yourself. Confidence in yourself and in your loved ones who accept you makes you truly free.
But by the way, it's funny that Vecna says to him, "I'm using you for the last time," meaning that then the worlds will collapse, and it turns out that because Will won't be so weak anymore.
The plot is galloping and lacks a sequence, where the characters first act separately and come together to fight back from the Inside out. The series is very much loved and there are a lot of expectations for the finale. It is impossible to finish it badly. I would like to spend a little more time, not 5 seasons : (after the fireworks, we are waiting for a 2-hour farewell
who don't have any critical thinking.
What kind of queerbate are you talking about, do you even know what queerbate is? One of the characters in your character is constantly in a monogamous hetero relationship, and the other is quietly dying. There is no flirting with the audience in the script, they say it bluntly - just like with Robin, this is the first crash for self-awareness and orientation, nothing more. The actors and screenwriters of Vesle say that there is no romantic line there, you look through the prism of your desires. I never condemn shipping at all, it's fun, but guys, you can feel the boundaries - your desires are your headcannon, you created it yourself - play with it alone.
That's why I liked the arch of Will and Robin so much that they lead her towards self-awareness and acceptance. But as it turns out, most people are very angry that this series wasn't about Bailer.
And no, it's not that my eyes are blinded and I can't see anything between them, or if you substitute a character of the other sex, I'll immediately see a chemistry that screams canon. I'm not even denying a possible endgame for Bayer, and I can see where it can be pulled from. But the question is why everyone is convinced that Mike is obligated to reciprocate, and why they are still very angry that this has not happened yet.
It feels like half of the audience is sure that Mike should be with Audie all his life, and the other half are sure that Mike should respond to Will so that his story ends happily. 🤷
Maybe Mike is just like Nancy. He needs to sort himself out and he can do it alone))
and it's sad. I really wanted something more
I shed a tear at Will's monologue, this topic is very close to me
. The reunion of Lucas and Max is great.
- Me too!
- Me three))"
Shh, friends, it seems that on New Year's Eve we will have a lot of tears and excitement, as well as a couple of deaths of our favorite characters.
PS funny fact: it seems the creators of the series have given up on the father of the Wheelers, as well as on the parents of the other children ..))
And I also have another question - what about Derek's family, who by this time should have woken up and realized that their son was missing))
I've been looking forward to the second half of the season and it's just a guard. how many speakers are fucked up. Where is the El/Max reunion? Max has two scenes with Will, wow, but not one with her
bestis. The cuming-out scene is one big wtf. Are the lines written for the viewer, and if you think about it for a second, then for 50% of the characters in this room, does Will's confession look like wtf? okay. especially-"he was my Tammy Thompson," like, who is Tammy? everyone in this room is asking themselves except Robin, Steve, and probably Vicky (Vicky was there too, what?)
Initially, the Duffers wanted Will to confess only to Joyce, and I think that would be really good. Well, maybe also to Jonathan, although he already knew, I can't get off this stage, it's such a cringe.😭
By the way, we have a ton of characters as it is, let's also put Mr. Clark here.
the dialogues tell about the same thing ten times. no past of Henry has been revealed - everyone will be poked into the two-hour finale, well...
Are Al and Mike together or not? what happens to the actors, where is their chemistry in the frame?
Nancy and Jonathan end up breaking up in this scene in the lab, and half of the audience didn't realize it, bravo the script
the line with the dumb military is absolutely dumb and useless, if it were Brenner instead of Kay, nothing would have changed, why would he have been killed in season 4...
and Dr. Owens is dead, right? This character was thrown out of the story altogether, it's a pity...
the episodes are absolutely passable, I wanted to squander half of the scenes, wow, you can't say anything👍
I didn't understand that either initially. It seemed to me that marriage was the issue here, that it wasn't a goal for them and all that.
1) Nancy and Jonathan broke up (I didn't get it)
2) Mike understood what Will meant when he said about the crash (I understood this from Mike's look, but I expected a warmer reaction from Mike)
Otherwise, I really liked the series, all the interactions between the characters are very emotional.
Great preparation for the grand finale. We are waiting for the first of January
, and yet soulmates are understanding in everything, orientations are still just one side of the personality, although very important
I kiss the hands of the one who prescribed the Steve and Dustin line this season, it's just gold
The scenes with them take about 5 minutes in total, but I want to watch them endlessly.
the reaction of the characters is absolutely clear.
Dustin, who grieves for Eddie and embarks on self-destruction.
Steve, who's hurt for Dustin, who's worried, but doesn't know how to fix it.
those poisonous words that start a fight between them in the lab, and which are partly true, which is why Dustin reacts the way he does.
The way Steve tries to protect Dustin during a fight so that he doesn't get hurt.
the scene on the stairs where Dustin just goes crazy and spirals into a spiral because Steve might die... This Dustin tantrum and Steve's realization that he's really important to someone💔
and, of course, their reconciliation scene in episode 7, this exchange of promises - together we will survive or die together - is literally a very healing dynamic.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this line.
Joe Keary and Gaten Matarazzo are the real MVP of these episodes.
The plan may suck, but the logic in it is correct, that they will always be searched for, that's for sure.
So either the peaks are chiseled, or…
Well, that is, in terms of the series, it's a pretty good idea, which just has little to do with reality.
I mean, I don't want to say that they would have been caught, but that there would always be harassment, and that's a fact, and no matter how well they hid, there would always be a chance that they would be found, and therefore there would always be a chance of a repeat of all the horror that was at Hawkins.
With such dirty- purely for show-search games, Odie could easily establish a connection with Mike by exchanging letters. If only Horper and his anxiety weren't playing hide-and-seek so obsessively and involved, in contrast to the government, of course)))
It was a strange feeling, as if a lot of things had happened, but nothing had happened.
I can't imagine how they're going to pack up all the events in the remaining two hours. Somehow I'm starting to worry about the finale.
I accompany my sister's appearance and remarks with a roll of my eyes every time. If she turns out to be a traitor, it will seal the coffin of the final season completely.
The Duffers said that they shot the scene one-on-one with Joyce, but in the end she came out completely different emotionally, so they decided to stop there.
And do you think it would be easier for Will to approach everyone and confess than to tell everyone at once?
For the emotional support of the first person he confessed to, Robin was there the whole time.
And comparing his confession with Robin's is not appropriate at all. What do you mean, "even Robin didn't get that far"? These are completely different situations.
>Mike is pleasantly shocked,
Is it pleasant? :D
And Steve too, it's going to hurt terribly and it's not fair to Dustin.
But I still have a theory that they're all going to die at some point and Al is going to do something to cancel everything that's been happening all series. But this will devalue these wonderful 5 seasons too much, according to this "ai donte know" that we have prepared for NG🥲
Thank you for not turning Will's fireplace out into a one-on-one fuck match, but showing how important the support of every loved one is at this moment, it turned out to be very emotional.
It's never forgivable, even if he felt guilty))
But seriously, I was more hooked on the moment where they admit their addictions, and we hear confirmation that Nancy clearly has a history with alcohol (which is not surprising)
phew, I think it's partly better that he took Holly than if she just crashed into a cake, now there's at least some chance + everyone understands where he really lives
Damn, Derek let me down, even though he's just a kid, and he was scared for his family, but until the end I thought that he would somehow secretly be able to help or help
, of course, it's not a fact that the two of them would convince everyone with Holly, but anyway
Yes, Max got her eyesight back, although it seemed like they shouldn't after last season
in this series, you're either alive and fully healthy or dead.
Steve and Dustin 'together until the end' 💔
I don't believe Steve will be killed like Eddie
, I don't know what will happen to Dustin
in general, besides, it will be a repeat of the story of last season
Audie doesn't like her sister at all, I feel like she's going to do something, even if Audie comes to her senses.
Noah is playing divinely this season, you just believe in every moment
, the motivation for the confession and the confession scene are very good
, but I didn't say anything to Mike personally, maybe for the best
It doesn't seem like they're killing someone from the gg, they promised, but the trend of the series is that they're taking out the secondary
ones. There were already a lot of moments when they could have dramatically taken someone out (as in the scene with the ring), but they didn't
, maybe they'd kill Vekna, Audie's sister.
honestly, even though the last episode will last two hours, it seems to me that this is soooo little in order to complete everything with a Secret, all the branches of the characters, to show their lives after this nightmare
, I probably just don't want to say goodbye to the characters
Personally, I'm very worried about Robin, Steve, Will, Erica and Holly. It's like Max shouldn't be killed, the girl has suffered enough as it is. Just like Dustin should be allowed to live, too.
The death of El/Jane or Hopper seems appropriate. The first one is not tired of being a hero, the second one always wants to blow up. And the bombing is part of their plan.
But all this talk, the pressure before the Finale... if someone dies, especially if my kids and Steve die, I do not know what will happen to me.. If they die - I die! May it be an unconventional ending and everyone will survive 🤞🏻🤞🏻 Santa Claus, please give us all such a gift! I've probably never looked forward to the new year so much in my life!
And these two worlds lived separately and happily, until Dr. Brenner sent Odie to look for Henry, but she found another monster, touched it, and the two worlds came into contact. Then there was a "scientific explanation" through a wormhole, that is, when the two worlds came into contact, a bridge appeared that connects them, which is the wrong side. It happened on November 6, 1983, and the inside was forever frozen in that day, like a picture of Hawkins with a failed exposure and noise in the photo. Well, naturally, dogs and mice began to seep in there (I didn't have enough imagination for more types of mobs)
Something like that
But I like even our grown-up characters, especially Dustin and Will.
I remember there was a movie called boyhood, where it was shot for 12 years to show a guy growing up and the passage of time. I thought the idea was really cool at the time, so I'm not complaining at all now))
Do you remember there was such a Mind Eater? After the third season, he was somehow written off too abruptly and blamed everything on Vecna. So before the fifth season there was a theatrical production, which is quite a canon. It is clear that most viewers could not watch it and hardly even began to look for its plot. And there are some pretty important details about Vecna, which obviously have to play out in the series finale.
So far, I have the impression that the series will end with Vecna destroying the bridge himself. And here you can wrinkle your face and argue in disbelief that this is utter nonsense. But the way I see it is this: Will will surely get into Vecna's head - he will get to the cave and the story from the theatrical production, in a relatively cliched manner, Vecna will turn out to be the victim, not the main villain. When it is necessary to detonate a bomb to destroy the "bridge", Vecna will sacrifice herself, and not one of the main characters, as it might seem.
If according to the new canon of the retcon of the play, then the devourer is an ancient evil (from the macro universe lol), little Henrik was accidentally transported with the help of MacGuffin to the world of X, where his DNA was changed by the devourer and made an asshole with sadistic tendencies. It turns out that he really is like a 5-star general at the beck and call of Darkness. And in theory, you can get through to him so that he sacrifices himself by making one last right choice.
We'll see what the duffers have chosen in 2 days.
Although Lucas and Max are cool too!
Steve has come up with a good plan, but like a Swiss watch, he has to go down thorny paths.
I partly understand Kali's desire to destroy herself, the prerogative is clearly better than being a living blood farm, plus the danger that the impending catastrophe of two worlds may happen again.
There are questions about some storylines, unfortunately, not everything is as succinctly and well written as we would like, but what do we have.
Knowing the Duffer brothers' love of hints, this shot made me feel very uncomfortable. According to the guys' plan, there should be a bomb in the exotic matter center, and Will was put there for us, and he also asked to go with them himself...
About Will, yes, I think he and Mr. Clark will die. Unfortunately
Mike, who is promised to be the heart of the party and the center of the group, does absolutely nothing at all, remove him from the frame, so you won't notice that someone is not there.
Max got out unharmed, which means all the hints that she's a third character with some kind of connection to Vecna are also lost.
Holly is too much. The character is interesting, but we are at the end of the final season, we need to look at our characters, and spend all the time introducing and revealing new ones.
In general, it's as if a lot of undisclosed details were lost on the way to the finale, which, obviously, we won't have time to reveal.
But the whole series "cried" and listened to a lot of silly dialogue skirmishes.
2) Mike was leaked, although the solution lies damn on the surface - there's Will who decides to confess, Mike understands that he's his crush, and he can't reciprocate, but give them a duet of time (like Dustin Steve), and the opportunity to have a heartfelt conversation. Move the fireplace out to the second episode, and remove Holly (aka Miss Open mouth) in episodes 5-7 and give Mike + Will that time.
I'm already completely silent about the non-existent chemistry of Audie Mike.
3) Max is cool, but they also gave her too much time. This whole CUMazotz line doesn't affect or interest anything. For three episodes, they couldn't even properly show Henry's backstory from the play first shadow. Why such a drain before the final?
I'm a fan of the series, and I've been through episodes 5-7, but I can't help but admit that a lot has been poorly done. If we had season 6 ahead of us, I wouldn't say a word, I was just getting high.
The 2-hour finale needs to jump over your head to close all the branches and end the series beautifully.
and the fact that Billy was a victim - I don't think so, he was still a milfhunter himself))) If he was a victim, it was only of abuse by his stepfather.
In any case, the Duffers will never directly confirm this theory.
, it's expensive and rich, but there's little point, why was it necessary to "kill Max" and then resurrect what??? Like without her, Persian Holly wouldn't have been able to do anything?
upside down is a portal to another dimension AHAHAHAHA, and yes, there is also a wormhole inside, but why did I wait forever? he could have done everything back in season 2/3, oh yes, he was "waiting" for Will to create tunnels.... and why is he walking so slowly, why is this stupidity...
120 people wrote the script at the same time, apparently there is no focus on the main character Al or Will jumping back and forth.
Do you remember Ted? So the creators don't remember either)))
I have nothing wrong with cuming out, rather, I have close (LGBT) friends, but oh my God, it looked strained and ridiculous at the end of the episode.
We are waiting for the final where friendship will win! And 100,500 military men and none of the characters will die.
and do you remember Susie was in the series? Why was she injected....
In addition, the military is well aware of her entire entourage. While she's alive, how many will they torture to find her? Even if she hides, should she take the whole gang with her to the shelter?
Kali is well aware of what the world will become if Odi falls into the hands of the government. Lots of new kids with superpowers, you can raise an army. Why are they doing this? To win the Cold war. But having won one war, why not go further?
Think bigger than "Kali has lost everything, and now she wants Audie to lose everything and kill herself."
I don't want any of them to die, but I understand Kali's position.
, maybe Henry's gift is not innate, but acquired. We don't know what was in that suitcase in his childhood memory, maybe some kind of reversing mechanism.
and most importantly, sunny Max is with them now, and everything will be fine!)
I'm waiting for the finale to cry)
Although, it might just be my hopes. Because in the expansion teaser, Dustin looks like himself from season 4. But Odi seems to be from the fifth, judging by the clothes.
- Henry's backstory: why is he afraid of this cave, who was that guy with the suitcase?
- What is Hopper hiding from Odie and why does Kali know about it if they had never crossed paths before this season?
Why are all the characters gathered in the confession scene? Why are Murray, Steve, Vicky, Kali, Erica there? Are they some kind of very close people to him? why it was impossible to leave the family + Mike, Dustin and Lucas AT MOST.
how shitty was it to write a script for people to find out about the breakup (!!!) Jonathan and Nancy are FROM THE ARTICLE, NOT FROM THE SERIES. What's going on with Mike anyway? where is the very heart of the party, where are his emotions, why is he just wooden? why is the friendship of Will and Max shown better and closer than the friendship of Audie/Max and Will/Mike? What is Audie's reaction to Max's return anyway? Yes, hopper looked more joyful and emotional. By the way, why are Mr. Clark, Karen, and Max not at all surprised that Hopper is alive, if he officially died in the Season 3 finale and has been in hiding ever since? Isn't there too many "whys" for the penultimate episode of the last season of the series, which lasted 10 damn years
, and why does it feel like nothing important happened during those three episodes except for Max's return? for a whole month, they kept saying, "we've prepared something for you, Christmas will be dark, get ready," but in the end, NOTHING
@kotovsky:
So you didn't understand from their dialogue in the episode that they broke up? Nancy says that Steve is her friend, and she needs to find herself because she doesn't know what she wants. And Jonathan makes her an "un-proposal" (I don't know how it was officially translated), and this is not a marriage proposal, this is the last truth that the characters reveal to each other, thinking that both will die now. Plus, Jonathan says that he thought the offer would fix everything, although he understands that this is not the case.
And to tell the truth, this is a pretty logical conclusion of the whole trio, they all clearly have their own way.
And what kind of interview did the Duffers give, in which article was it mentioned, can you throw off the link?
keep it: https://people.com/stranger-things-did-nancy-jonathan-get-engaged-exclusive-11873748
I agree that this series should be explained, not by the authors somewhere out there in some articles. Although it was clear to me that this "non-marriage proposal" was talking about a breakup. Well, it obviously came out crookedly and was written crookedly, since many people have such questions.
|| Long before the events of the series, there were experiments, they were able to briefly send a ship with people into the Abyss, where everyone died except one person. This man was Brenner's father, infected with Mind Eater particles and altered blood. His son decided to dedicate his life to this topic. The man with the suitcase in the cave is a Soviet spy who stole a sample of Mind Eater particles from Papa's laboratory. Henry successfully "inhaled" this sample and the Mind Eater began to break it, the blood changed, abilities appeared, everything led to the drinking of animals, and then people. In general, the whole story of the other world began even before Henry got into the laboratory. ||
by the way, why did they show us that Joyce, hopper and Karen had known Henry since high school, if it didn't play out in any way? only Max knows about it, because she saw his memories herself. or did they throw everything at the last episode again?
Well, there's no point in even talking about the fact that I'm happy for Maxie. I've been waiting for their reunion with Lucas all season, I've adored their couple since the second one. But what about their cute interactions with Max? "I'm afraid you'll have to hug me yourself." "Imagine that I'm hugging you very tightly."
explanations are full of nonsense)) but unfortunately it turns out that we have no other explanation, because really, in fact, the only justification for choosing children is the girl I can probably take for "weak", the one we emphasized when we were picked up from home on the bus and she was crying, and with the same Holly reel it's far-fetched, The girls were watching a horror movie and they were scared when he first saw her))
But as I understand it, Holly was bullied by Derek, which is why she was taken away. However, then the question is why Derek was taken away. And why is the whole class Holly
- Nancy and Jonathan. What was that? A breakup? Could it have been clearer for the dumb?
"Will's confession is a good one. I don't think he needed so many viewers. It was enough to confess to my mother, maybe to my friends. I screamed hard on this stage, may the LGBT community forgive me, but really, who cares who he loves there? He was still a whiner.
- 8. Why is it needed at all? To lead an already maddening Odie astray? Millie's performance this season is something. I'm ignoring it. It wouldn't even be a pity if she died.
"Mike." Well, why should a baby suffer so much? He's literally the most normal character who doesn't get even a little time at all. They wrapped everything around him, but in the end, no one seemed to need him. I am very disappointed that he was not given a normal screen time. We don't really know anything about him.
- I know that many people love Karen, but I don't think her line is needed here at all. Where did she go after the hospital? Then why did they add it at all? Where are the other parents?
The only thing I like is Henry and Steve............ It's very interesting what will happen in the final. But it's like he's being locked up, for some reason it feels like that.
Today, the Duffers officially announced that
1) Nancy and Jonathan broke up (I didn't get it)
2) Mike understood what Will meant when he said about the crash (I understood this from Mike's look, but I expected a warmer reaction from Mike)
, and I agree with the rest of the points.
In fact, in recent episodes, I've only seen Max's return, Steve's conversation with Dustin, and Jonathan's breakup with Nancy (which is not obvious)
. The rest is either a cringe or boredom.
> Will's confession
I agree, it would have been more appropriate for him to either tell his mother + Mike intimately, or shout it out in some tense scene, like, he can't take it anymore... but to gather a crowd of just acquaintances (after all, he was aloof all seasons, for him these people remained strangers, by and large)
> Millie's game this season is something
This is generally the main mystery. And it's not clear if that's how the actress plays it, or if the character is so clumsy now? Maybe the character just became a "function" (You have to be serious and tough - that's why all the "snot" wasn't picked up, but was removed from the script altogether) - now she's just a "strong female character" without any emotions. It's obvious from her meeting with Max.
> I know that many people love karen, but I don't think her line is needed here at all.
I also support it. They don't focus on the development and completion of the main characters, but unexpectedly reveal a third-rate rambo, so that what? For what? There are plenty of such characters there anyway... her husband's line looks much more logical - the man has never really fought, met with a monster, did what he could -> lies badly injured (yes, I agree, it was necessary to remember him at least in the dialogues, the father still)
> Mike.
I'm not a fan of either the actor or the character, but if in previous seasons he played the role of some kind of leader of their little party, now every second one has become a leader, and it's as if the creators now don't understand where to put this character... He became some kind of decoration.
> The only thing I like is henry and steve
I agree. Steve is not bad, Dustin, in general, too - at least he hasn't changed much and, in general, he plays back his "adolescence" (hysterical, "rebellious" and all that)
Henry is just not bad, although he is endlessly shown, as someone mentioned here, as a "villainous villain.". But his motivation was apparently left for the last episode.
I'm glad Max is back, that Will was finally able to confess.
A hodgepodge of everything, as usual, it was possible to make less new but cooler.
They added a suspicious eighth, it should probably ruin all the Odis, and if not, why would it?
They took a lot of time with Holly's branch. I like her, it's interesting, but she's not complete. It was necessary to make a Holly-Derek tandem in her branch, because they are the same age, but now Derek's drain has turned out, and as a character he is cool.
It's good that Max woke up, but why isn't she blind even though the eyelid blew her eyes out?... Well, thanks for being alive.
These memories of Henry, what was in the suitcase? Or is it still biting again so that they can watch the play?
These multiple worlds were made for nothing. Because this is the way we have it now: Henry's consciousness is the X dimension, the inside out, and only then Hawkins. Consciousness is very, very wasted here, we haven't had time to fully figure out the wrong side yet. There are also these soldiers.... Again? What for?
Well, anyway, our expectations are our problems, of course. But was it really their BEST scenario, I just don't believe it.....
Kali is pretty murky, I thought she was on El's side in the first volume, but she turns out to have a suicidal plan. You can understand it, but you don't really want to accept it.
I'm glad that Max is back, that the team has teamed up and come up with a plan, but, to be honest, it seems that because of the timing there is not enough time to show a normal relationship between the characters, for example, between El and Max (and they are such friends). I would like a separate episode where events don't run so fast and there is a break at least a little so that everyone can talk normally, but in the end we are shown pieces here, pieces there.
At least Steve and Dustin talked and reconciled, which is good news.
It's just fucked up.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
Please give me a happy ending, I beg you.
We kind of understood what the whole image and MO of Henry was referring to, and these demonstrations with his hoses already look great, especially in combination with the way they show Holly.
Compare with the same Erica, she looked and still looks like a normal child, Holly looks like a participant in a children's beauty contest (famous hotbeds of various child abuse), it's all very somehow bad.
You misunderstood my comment.
There's a big difference between savoring violence and showing that someone is bad.
Henry was a villain last season, but somehow there were fewer dubious accents.
And children can be different, they can be like Erica, they can be like Holly.
I understand the disappointment of some, after the strong first part, some expected the same strong second half, but it turned out to be quite difficult. In terms of this, it's a trivial respite and a lead-up to the season finale, which is sure to be quite intense. If there wasn't such a big break between the parts of the season, it would be better.
The series, alas, suffers from a lack of timing and an overabundance of characters, which is why some characters lack interaction, but in any case, there are enough strong moments in these three episodes. This is definitely not the final season of Game of Thrones.
Well, we are waiting for the final in exactly six days!
well, they've already written about all the bad things here, I'll only mention the good ones: it was Lucas who was the first of the 4 to go to Will. Despite the fact that he is the most normal of them in every sense, he is based on such a person, the salt of the earth.
And that's exactly why, without hesitation and with determination, he went and hugged Will.
It was a good moment in the middle of a big puddle of awkwardness and even absurdity.
he was out of his mind, it was very unexpected and alarming that no one had been killed yet, trash
STEVE, PLEASE JUST LIVE,
and in general the first part was more powerful. The second one is more emotional, tearful, and I feel like we're going to be blown to atoms from the finale.
> first of all, for me, almost the entire cast has become weaker since about the third season
Yes, I agree. It's like they're no longer "alive", but just clumsily acting out the right emotion... moreover, it's probably not so much the fault of the actors as the scriptwriters and directors - they didn't just make stereotypical characters, but also gave them almost one emotion for the whole season... Odie is like a Rambo who came back from Vietnam and had PTSD.
Steve and Dustin, well, you've finally decided everything, my heart ached for them very much. But their line is the best of the season.
Crumpled showed Eric, Murray and Mr. Clark, their invention for finding guys inside out; crumpled showed Dustin, Steve, Jonathan and Nancy inside out when they were already reunited... Rrrrr. The same fourth season was measured, we had time to follow the events, and here it's just a mess of malasha.
There's a lot of nonsense about the Wrong side, honestly. They showed it to us in the first season, in the second and in the fourth, so, in the fourth season, the guys walked around this inside out, and there was no wall there, they were in the laboratory in the first season, there was no stuff in the middle. I understand, of course, that when they were writing the plot for the first season, they weren't planning a sequel, but you can't write a plot that sloppily. After so many inside-out trips, have you ever found this wall that Steve crashed into? Seriously? I understand that they needed to include dimension X, but... They overdid it. They were very clever, and they also found Brener's documents, how did he know about the wormhole in the middle of the lab, when you yourself said that the wrong side appeared at the moment when 11 was looking for Henry (+- on the same day that Wil disappeared). Did he study everything inside out in a week of research? What nonsense...
As for Wil, by the way, the scene is great. In many works where there are superpowers, there is a pattern - strength is emotion, it is self-confidence. Will needed to open up to everyone and he did it, it was very cool and very touching. Jonathan, who suspected his brother last year, sunny, was most worried about his brother ❤️ And by the way, a fanfact for fans of seeing hints and love where there is none (regarding Mike's feelings for Will) - the very first of his friends rushed to hug Will Lucas, then Dustin, then Mike. For Mike Oddy, no matter how you twist love, although the chemistry between the actors, alas, was gone by the fifth season, in general, the guys had grown up a lot.
Kylie is infuriating. The logic is clear, but it's self-sacrifice.... Fuck. The military base is inside out, their entire archive, all the research, it's all inside out, destroy the inside out - everything will be destroyed. And there is no need for any suicide attacks.
Also, of course, no one cares, but how they forgot and forgot about the minor characters. About Suzzy, who saved the world in season 3, about Argyle, who kind of stayed at Hawkins. In previous seasons, there was no such thing as characters being completely thrown out (
And finally. #LIVE TOGETHER (and have 6 children with Nancy)
And this is very IMPORTANT. Rapists, pedophiles and others, they are people, not monsters from the Inside out.
Henry's evil is his CHOICE, not his nature.
Just think about how Henry is shown and what he does and how he does it.
Direct references, so much so this season that, damn, they stop being references and there are questions to the creators.
Especially as it was written above, Robin always had problems controlling what she says at the moment.
Joyce doesn't care much about anything except her son, even her second son, and Erica can obviously blurt out worse)
No need, that's enough of these "and no one lived happily or long."
Let's hope so✊🏻
Oh yes, it already takes almost as much time to read the comments as it does to watch the episodes (I'm exaggerating, but still).
@Hidji: Regarding the latter, I really agree. Left comments
blinkedleft for an hour - +200 new ones. No, it's interesting, of course, so many opinions + GIFs.Well, the most pretentious cuming out on TV.
They thought over the plan so much and didn't even think to look for the mine that Vecna is so afraid of, which, in theory, should be the key to any plan.
When was the last time there were interactions between Nance and Dustin? at the end of the second season? Their hugs were so sweet and warm.
It's a pity that the Jancys broke up, but maybe it's for the best.
It's good to see that Mr. Clark is finally involved in the case! He fit in well with their squad :D
and it's so peaceful that Steve and Dustin were able to talk. I really hope they both stay alive in the final episode:(
Will's coming out scene was touching. he is so brave and strong : (I am very glad that everyone supported him and accepted him
Perhaps the real mindfighter from the Abyss is not Vecna at all, and Henry himself is just a vessel for some kind of infernal chthony.
It's a stupid legend.
When Nancy came out with a tear-stained face, for the first few seconds I thought she saw Holly turn into mush when she fell!
Do the military want to produce more children with abilities at the same time, but at the same time they think they will catch Odi and solve all their problems? Sarah Connor clearly has not read the works of her predecessor, since she thinks that there is no third party in the conflict. It's like they're still in a bubble for 2-3 seasons.
Will's confession scene is strong. You can see how the reactions of individual characters have been worked out separately. But absolutely the whole ensemble in the room was not needed!
Derek seemed to have been leaked, but Holly and the other kids were surprised by the fight. I didn't expect this, taking into account all the usual security measures on the site, you obviously won't hire stuntmen there. And the children themselves no longer just believe Henry, but look like some kind of zombies.
Vecna's motive for connecting the two worlds is not particularly clear - just a villainous villain, only the means to achieve the goal were explained. It's unclear what kind of man with a suitcase was in the mine - casting a plot hook for the finale or just an Easter egg for a Broadway production?
And most importantly, how the Duffers are crying out for Audie's death! Personally, it seems to me that this little sister has found her "way out" not in death, but in helping Vekna, and in the end she will betray everyone.
100% I thought about the same thing, that Holly had stupidly crashed, and that would have been the promised "most terrible character death." But then the Century would need a replacement)
The military is just a rofl, or an NPC for shooting at the fan.
The cuming out scene is really cool.
The fight scene really surprised me, it's like the spirit of Stephen King)
The guy is Dr. Brenner's father, I think. And the briefcase was a portal Inside, where Henry was accidentally transported at that moment and his Mind Flayer changed and gave him abilities.
They bet on a dare One, but imho Will Will die((
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Ent also raises sooo many questions, and the main one is: what the fuck is a vegetable garden?
They can't handle either the number of characters or the complexity of the lore, but it's not about the fan service.
Dustin adopted the image of Eddie, and Steve is now wearing a cap like Dustin and the hairstyle is similar.
I want to see the trio of Steve, Dustin and Robin as in the third season.
I'm really worried about them, everything went well in the third season, and I hope everything will be fine now!
Will's cuming out 💔
In general, too many storylines, characters and places of action have been messed up.
Steve and Dustin are a balm to the heart. "I missed my best friend," well, what a charm) This friendship must not be spoiled, they must live.
Hopper, during the analogies with DnD, is the personification of a part of the audience that has never played in them)
Holly feels so sorry, after so many trials, to return to the starting point, and also to be subjected to such violence... Poor guy. I was hoping that she and Derek would somehow help each other keep their minds calm, but in the end, gaslighting and intimidation played a role.
The teacher joined the company like a good Persian.
But I'm tired of these season breaks. Right now, sit here and celebrate the new year, wondering who the Duffers will decide to kill anyway(
Krch, #Stevivi
And Henry got his powers because he was in a suitcase.
The scene didn't seem out of place, on the contrary, it was the right time, Will realized that he would be a burden, he wouldn't be able to help his friends, maybe he wouldn't see them anymore, Vecna would have leverage over him, but now he was free from Vecna's influence, he no longer had to pretend, he was himself!
I also want to mention Steve's support for Robin!
I really enjoyed this scene, I hope Will and Mike will have a personal conversation!
and JONATHAN always knew, remember season 4, the scene where they ride in a pizza trailer through the desert and Will tells Mike that Odie will always need him, but in fact he (Will) confesses his love to Mike, meaning himself instead of One, then turns away with with tears in my eyes. And we caught a glimpse of Jonathan seeing it in the rearview mirror, and there was sadness and understanding in his eyes. At that moment, I decided that Jonathan knew everything about his brother.
It's just that we've been repeated 5 times in one season of Duffer. Even within the framework of one series, the characters panic because of a problem that has arisen - they cling to a random phrase from one of the characters and come up with a plan based on this. They're doing it. And again.
Each character considers it his duty to confess something at death's door for a long time, although it would be better to think about how to escape.
And all this several times even during the series.
And that's not bad, if appropriate, but it's so depressing. You know what the character is going to say, you're not interested. You're not looking forward to it. This has all been said before...fatigue.
And there are a lot of cool things at the same time. Cool action scenes, cool character openings (Will), cute moments, funny moments, but everything is self-replayed within the framework of even season 1!!
Apparently, it's just not my "cup of tea" anymore. I really hope that the finale will be stunning and will overcome all the shortcomings, but for now...maximum of 3.
There is a feeling that not a sister and a sister will kill a brother, a brother and a sister will kill a sister. Kali is angry at people just like Henry, if she is not in cahoots with Henry now, then it is quite possible that they will unite.
I've been thinking about the final episode, the right side, who will choose it: Will, Henry, Al, each of the characters, but now I'm inclined to think that it will still be Al, go after Kali or go into a bright future with Mike and his family. Or maybe he will choose Kali, sacrifice himself, or try to end it all and move on.
I hope El doesn't go along with Kali, and Hopper keeps his word and saves El from Kali!
Thank you Robin! she helped him find out everything.
I cried a lot over these episodes. I haven't cried like this in quite a while. It is clear that the screenwriters and the Duffer brothers did not write cardboard characters, but real people. with fears, problems, pain, and the innermost. thank them for that.
Of course, the wormhole, the bridge, and the third dimension were screwed up, and we should have introduced all this earlier so that we would have more time to figure it all out.
Mileven is not enough, I want more Steve and Robin!
We haven't lost anyone, and that's good news, and I hope we'll continue to do so. Steve, live!
Remember the fourth season, objectively there is also not much action, the season went smoothly in the spirit of previous seasons, gradually bringing us to the most intense moments, rather than raising the bar from the very beginning.
I got everything I wanted from the other half (except for my theories): The return of Max, the revelations of Will, the dialogue between Nancy and Jonathan, and of course my best friends Steve and Dustin!
Steve and Dustin are actually a separate story, all their scenes together are just amazing, both in the first half and in the second, I'm ready to give each episode five stars just for their interaction! I hope everything will be fine with them, and they won't lose each other and we won't lose them!
To sum up, we were promised emotions, a bucket of tears, we got them, not from actions, but from words, but maybe it's even better!
And Steve and Dustin, well, what charmers, merge anyone in the final, but not them (and Hopper and Murray)
With each season, I could see how the actors grew up, what kind of kids they were in the beginning and now, I'm waiting for the finale to come out!!
For some reason, it seems to me that he will not survive, and Mike will walk around with a sad face at the end. I also think 11 will change her mind about dying in the end, and she will have a final battle with 8.
I can imagine how difficult it was for him to go through this whole path of self-acceptance and how long he thought about it, I'm so glad that he told everyone, his whole team, I'm happy that he was able to overcome himself and admit
I'm proud.
Murray, of course, was the best giggler, and Mr. Clark was also very funny, of course, the cool
one for Max was incredibly happy, I was crying the moment she woke up, Lucas is a huge guy, always there at the right moment
I'll have to write it myself: like for the reference to the Lord of the Rings, the mustachioed teacher is the best character in the series
to Gandalf?
Very cool Duffers spun with time space and another dimension, not just mysticism.👌🏼
Although I know very little about science, it is very interesting to watch.
Now I'm even more worried about everyone, I don't want to see any of my favorite characters die (I hope the Duffers will feel sorry for as many characters as possible)
There is also a controversial point (since, judging by the comments, everyone understood it in their own way) namely, when Nancy and Jonathan were talking about feelings, it was as if I understood from this scene that Nancy wanted to take a break between them to understand what she wanted in general..
But despite all this, part 2 was very emotional for me, sometimes I had to pause the episode to cry (especially at the moment when Dustin stopped Steve from being a hero, and in general their relationship this season is 10/10!)
I also noticed that everyone reacted differently to Will's admission, I was rather embarrassed to watch it, but at the same time I was very proud of him.(by God, it's like watching your own son)
I'm more afraid of the ending...I'm very afraid of being disappointed, or if the main characters die (fans have already saved Steve 10 times)
Plus, it really bothers me that literally everything screams about the death of Odie or Will, but at the same time, the Duffers promised that none of the main characters would die. 🤔
A soulful episode, the calm before the storm as expected. But it seems to me that the Duffners took the safest path, the losses will only be in the last series, but they could have started earlier, although I think especially impressionable fans will throw stones at the early murders of the heroes.
Poor Holly, she was already free once, and now she's going through this hell again with full awareness, unlike the others.
He's going straight through the tutorial.
Karen is an absolutely heroic woman, BUT about her husband and Mike's dad/Everyone forgot Nancy, it seems, even the screenwriters)) although he is also literally in the same hospital.
robin's jokes are really cringe-worthy sometimes, about Steve's sex is too much, especially in the presence of children and a school teacher, damn it)
The scenes with Steve and Dustin are almost tearful again. How touching and how good it is that they finally had a heart-to-heart talk.
Will's cuming out is one of the best scenes of the series and the incredible work of Noah Schnapp, but I wanted some more emotional reaction from Mike or someone to say "dude, I always knew that")
I think Robin didn't admit to everyone right away because she didn't want to draw attention to herself That was Will's true moment
and yes, it seems to me that the "most terrible character death" that the Duffers promised us would be teacher Mr. Clark : (And of the main guys, only Will will die, it all started with him, and it will all end with him.
and yes, the warriors are just the biggest rofl of the series, always incompetent NPCs who are destroyed by Nancy with m16 in aim practice mode)) by the way, the creators really have a fetish for Nancy + firearms. Linda Hamilton brings nothing at all in this role, you could take plus or minus any aunt/ uncle with a serious face.
and again, I'll note the "safety" from the inside, where everyone walks like an ordinary Hawkins, no armies of bats or dogs for you. Well, it's a convention
Ugh, the three episodes have flown by unnoticed again, we are waiting for the big two-hour finale as a gift under the Christmas tree! It will be a pity to say goodbye to your favorite characters.
And the wounded man in the cave is Dr. Brenner's father, I think. And the briefcase was a portal Inside, where Henry was accidentally transported at that moment and his Mind Flayer changed and gave him abilities. I hope they will explain more about this point.
It is clear that the plot was invented after each season and tried to somehow connect with each other.
For me, this whole fifth season has been stomping on the spot. There are enough important turns for two episodes, the rest of the time is eternal conversations. Anyway, let's see what we're waiting for in the finale, but I'm afraid they'll merge.
Today, the Duffers officially announced that
1) Nancy and Jonathan broke up (I didn't get it)
When Jonathan said I loved you, I thought, "damn, this is the end," and then he added, "I love you," and I was like, "Phew, it didn't work out, we didn't break up."
But they broke up anyway, apparently
It's funny in its own way, because before the expected end of life, people usually swear in love to the grave, and these two found catharsis in the other, admitting to each other and themselves that they would not take out more
2) Mike understood what Will meant when he said about crash
(I understood this from Mike's look, but I expected a warmer reaction from Mike)
and here's another important topic for me personally, this is the 8th, I really hoped when the first volume was released that she would still be fully on the side of our team, and as if she were with us, and as if without us, I wanted sisterly love, at least some kind of origin, but now honestly I don't want to see 8 on the screen at all, and I don't want to imagine the development of events according to "their" plan with Audie, and the bonus is already painful in advance for hopper if they try to pull something like that, don't force him to lose another daughter..He won't survive this, not me.
in general, the series is also cool, but probably according to the set of all the components from the second volume, the 6th series turned out to be the coolest for me.
I'm sorry, I'm a stale cracker, but the reunion of couples like Max and Lucas doesn't really bother me, cuming out and Will's acceptance of himself is cool, but damn, we kind of saw it at the end of the first volume, and it was cool, emotional! The actor is smart, but we're going around in circles.
As a result, the characters' personal arcs were very competently closed, and all the couples were given their own logical arcs... but the plot went the simplest way. We have a Bastard who wants to destroy the world in order to rule it, we will beat him. all. It looks logical. This is probably the final battle with a standard villain. But how boring and flat!
No wow-turns about Henry, no wow-turns from the Inside Out (although they explained what it was), no wow-turns with the torturer of the mind, another dimension, the military. No unexpected plot twists... in fact, for the entire fifth season we ride on flat rails, we see the station, and I would so much like to hope that this is not the final one, which was predictable for the last couple of seasons, but something like that! But no. We are approaching that very station, and this is the final one along the way.
And it's good. It's logical. But something is missing.
It's like I unwrapped a gift under the Christmas tree, and there's a Barbie instead of a gun, I'm a girl, I have to love Barbie. And I love it! But I wanted a gun. With bullets.
I would have been happy with any of the plot developments, I'm not a fan of certain theories (except for time travel, I didn't like them very much), but in the end it turned out that the events didn't develop in any way. Storylinally, we were at the end of the fourth season, and we stayed there.
Well, I obviously agree that Will is moving very well in terms of storytelling right now and the actor is acting great.
And I totally agree, I didn't really care about Will/Mike/Audie either, but I love Dustin and Steve. And in principle, I understand that just as we were given these two and their emotional moments, so was everyone else: the return of Max, Max/Lucas, and Nancy./Jonathan/Steve is finally resolved. And even Hop/Joyce was not forgotten with a very touching parenting theme, that parents always mess up, but it's OK. Ah! They even showed Robin/Wiki! We haven't forgotten anyone at all!
But where is my plot, the plot! Any theory was good, but in the end none of them is true, because we wanted too much, but for now we're just going to beat the Heads of the Bastard as standard.
I really hope that the last episode will surprise you. Moreover, we have sorted out the characters and pairs, now nothing stands between us and the denouement of the plot)))
So far, the piece of the puzzle is not from our picture, but I believe that we just don't see the whole picture yet! But there's only one episode left, just one...
I'm glad Max escaped!
I really hope that everyone will stay alive in the final 🙏🏼
Finally, everything is clear with Will, and he admitted that Mike is his Tammy, which is what Robin was talking about!)
I kept waiting for someone to say "we knew" after his confession 😅
The beginning of the episode is also very touching, Max and Lucas are wonderful.
And I also liked that they finally drew the teacher into their party, a funny character)
When Erica was introduced as a character, everything about her was attracted: this charisma, this character, after all, "You can't spell America without Erica", and what kind of amoeba is this that has been given SO MUCH time? So that what?
I was waiting for Volume 2 of these 3 episodes as a gift from Santa Claus, but apart from the cringe chatter, inappropriate cumingouts (otherwise his friends didn't realize that he didn't like girls) and the return of Max (the goddess), nothing else happened, in fact. It seems like so many minutes have been viewed, and events can be counted on the fingers of your hand.
Disappointment
Overall, the season is great and interesting, I'm just probably used to having something "strong" before the break, as it was in season 4 and with Will in episode 4 of this one.
At the end, I'll leave my predicate just for myself.
Hopper's death, Will's death, Sister's Death 11.
Steve's death/Dustin. Rather, it will be Steve, logically speaking, for drama and logic, but I do not believe that both will survive after their phrase "If you die, I will die" (but I really want to be mistaken)
11 will survive, but will not return to our world, will find a way to communicate with Mike through his powers (although now it seems like it is impossible, but I think they will find how)
Dare someone from Holly/Nancy/Jonathan. It's really into the sky here, but I think that the way the story goes, it should happen. Holly may be pitied as a child, Jonathan should most likely survive Will's death (otherwise Joyce's fate is an incredible spectacle). Nancy is most likely the most realistic death outcome of these three.
Even in the last episode, Max talked to Holly Inside Out for so long, walked so slowly to Lucas's song, I just "Run! Run away!" No nerves will be enough with them.
The actress is a smart girl, I hope that her acting career will be successful.🤞🏻
Come on, when the final episode comes out, I want to check if I was right.
The 2nd part of the season left about no impressions, I was so looking forward to it, but in fact nothing really happened... At the confession, Willa didn't know where to hide, I was so embarrassed at that moment, God.
I don't know why it wasn't obvious to many that Nance and Jonathan broke up, I realized it right away, it was sad, but the main thing is that both are still alive. And it's a good thing Nancy won'T choose Steve, they're in the past. It's a pity about Steve's feelings, of course, because obviously he's still in love with Nancy.
The eighth one is very infuriating with her speeches about death, and with her whole appearance in general, they brought her back...
Shtosh. One week, and we're in the finals. I'm waiting.
Many people write that everything is crumpled, the timing is small. Guys, maybe it's all about the useless scenes? The season 4 series managed to develop both the characters and their relationships without 1-on-1 scenes with dialogue lasting 10 fucking minutes. These three episodes run for an hour each, of which there are 30 minutes of dumb and useless dialogues. I'm thrilled with the first 4 seasons, but purely because of this season, I don't want to revisit it.
I understand many of the claims written here.
But I love the characters anyway.
I hope there will be more good things in the final episode.
"Sara Connor" 😁 You should at least Google how to spell that name, genius.
Disclaimer: I really love the first two seasons.
So far, the final season of Stranger Things is an illustration of Netflix's approach to milk stories as much as possible —secondarily, tightly, predictably, with the same cheap suspense-fueling techniques.
Especially the second part of the season.
The characters have become even more parodies of their own - they speak uncomplicated speeches of 3-4 sentences every 5 minutes, like to chat when necessary, without thinking about running, and show emotions only excessively so that they can be read even if you watch without sound.
The idea of "teenagers against monsters" plays against its creators - by the fifth season, the characters are still not coordinating their actions, separating, creating game, as if everything is for the first time.
The concept of "taking a similar situation from another piece of pop culture and it fits perfectly with us" is exploited to the point of degeneration - any first metaphor comes up: when a character says "what if?"- be sure, now it will be a correct or almost a guess.
Plot tensions for the sake of cheap suspense reach a new level - the mother is unclear when and how she throws an oxygen tank into the washing machine,
The idea that the underside is a pipe between worlds is outwardly beautiful, but (so far) out of tune - why was Hawkins imprinted on the underside in 1983?
The military (actually the same people) are completely dehumanized, now they can be killed not only in moments of self-defense, but also simply when you invade a military facility and it is served with pathos and cheerful music
We are waiting for the finale, but so far it feels like if there were 3 seasons in this story (the first 2 and the best of the 4th and 5th in the third), we would get a top series of the level of Darkness. But the decision to stretch the series led to the fact that fresh techniques became hackneyed, we saw a lot of filler self-replays and the concentration of a big story on a couple of MAIN MYSTERIES.
4 - because before 1983, the wrong side did not exist, Odi touched the demogorgon, a portal and a bridge between worlds opened, this bridge is the wrong side, and it froze like a picture at that moment
5 - the warriors are rofl. NPCs can be shot by anyone, even Nancy. You can safely remove them, nothing will change.
If the ending is like in the book, then that's good.
Honestly, the second day in the feed of different social networks.I see dissatisfied networks, but few people speak about the plot from the inside out or anything else. It basically boils down to the fact that people were waiting for a couple, confessions, kisses from Bailer, but they didn't happen.🤷
Honestly? The people who expected an explosive effect from the second volume deceived themselves. The beginning should have been impressive, the ending should have been spectacular, but meridian should prepare for this impressive ending, somewhere to resolve conflicts from the beginning, somewhere to give an explanation of the courtyard, which we got. If they merge the finale, then you can still go crazy)
The seventh episode was delayed so much that only the episode with Kali from the second season remained below, and it is clearly not so bad (by the way, as well as the series with Kali, which provides a lot of interesting information about the device of Dad's experiment)
Thanks for the demo)
And I don't really care what happens in the final episode, who will die and who will stay alive, because the series has lost all its serial essence.
Just imagine that in the conditional Breaking Bad, the characters would not have been killed until the very finale, and Walt would still be alive, simply because Vince Gilligan has no idea where to lead his own series. There wouldn't have been an amazing episode with Hank's death, there wouldn't have been an amazing ending, there wouldn't have been a bunch more amazing episodes.
That's what happens in Stranger Things, there's nothing, all the main characters have fierce story armor, I just don't worry about any of them anymore, and I don't care what happens in the finale. Since the ending should be the culmination of all events, and not the killing of all the heroes, for the sake of killing all the heroes, it literally won't mean anything.
Well, it's bad if the creators have to give interviews about the scenes and explain the plot, then this means only one thing that they could not cope with their role in creating the series. It should be clear to the average viewer what he saw, he should not run to look for an interview to understand the interpretation of the scene by Duffers, this is a very bad scenario.
I'm madly in love with the fourth season, but the fifth is still a game and the last episode is unlikely to fix anything.
It's just that Vince Gilligan is about quality and reverence for his product, and the creators of IP, unfortunately, and Strange cases, are about loot. Because why bother with the finale if everyone is going to be watching the HYPE anyway?
I will answer those who think that Will's coming out was inappropriate. All his friends had found a mate by the end of the series.: Mike has Aud, Lucas has Max, Dustin has Susie; Jonathan and Robin are not far behind either. And what about Will? In this regard, he had only an internal struggle with himself, and the fear of being rejected. It would be unfair and terrible if by the end of the series everything remained that way, and he was left alone, not accepted. Acknowledging friends and accepting himself is the least Will deserves after everything he's been through, and I'm very glad that the writers didn't forget about his character before the series finale. Now you can safely embark on the final battle with Vecna.
Bravo, Will, you're a good girl!
, and what? Well, what's next? Sometimes I haven't found it, some people don't find it all their lives. And, in principle, it is not necessary to make a love story in a fantasy series. So thoughts out loud
I already thought that Holly would crash, her death would become even more motivation for the heroes to destroy Vecna, and Vecna himself would be delayed a little while he was looking for another child to replace. Don't think about it, I like Holly as a character. But damn!
Plus, like many people, I didn't realize that Nancy and Jonathan broke up in that scene with the ring. In my opinion, it's not OK when the scriptwriters have to give a separate interview and explain the plot. Can't it be filmed so that we can figure it out for ourselves?
I hope we won't have to look for explanations for the final episode in the interview later.
Traditionally, she screamed and cried🤝
1. Well, Will's monologue is predictable, and we weren't surprised, but it's great that it happened in a full-fledged way, and not in a crumpled way.
2. But the dialogue between Dustin and Steve bothered me. I yelled at them not to let me die here. I'm not sure they'll listen.
3. The flying boat theme for Kali and Jane: honestly, for some reason it's so crystal fucking that words can't even describe it. It's amazing what the center of the series Audie was originally, how I fuck the scenes with her now. Die = heroic, selfless, fancy, stylish. Won't die = happy ending in the general sense of the word. But I'm not worried about her at all.
You've already figured out who I'm worried about.
4. In the shot where the match was held to the first candle at the end, I was like, "Henry, do you have a date with a bunch of kids, my dear?"
What a bastard, I love him.
5. For some reason, I didn't expect things to get worse with Holly like this. Like this very fact of brute force that she used on the children, and they used on her, turned the situation into a waking nightmare in my understanding, for some reason it felt like a very scary thing, like when you dream that you came to school naked, but then in this dream everything went even further
1. I agree, the timing was not chosen for this (it was better at the beginning of the season), but the scene is top. I wanted a warmer reaction from Mike, because he realized that he was crash Willoughby.
2. If one of them dies, the Netflix subscription will die) but rather it's all a red herring, a red herring. Mr. Clark (rip) is going to die, and he's going to die a terrible death. And maybe someone from the main cast, my bet is on Will.
3. Crystals. The eighth one is infuriating, you could have never thought about it at all. Her skills have never been used for the benefit of the operation, she only demotivates Audie and inclines her to self-intoxication.
4. Charismatic actor, no doubt!
5. It seems to me that Holly has been given too much time, despite the fact that her acting is noticeably weaker than the rest of the cast
For the rest of the items , it 's simple
And yes, it's nice that we agree on most points)
And again, they talk too much about time. Dustin said in plain text about the "time jump". Most likely, they will return to the moment when Henry got the suitcase with his abilities. That's the only point of this scene.
In general, she is an identical copy of Scarlett Johansson in terms of face.
You're one of them, though.
It wasn't obvious at all about Nancy and Jonathan's breakup))) I still don't understand why the slurry eventually stopped, because love was in the air? 🤨
Odie's sister doesn't understand why she's here at all, she's fighting for the wrong people
But her plan to self-destruct looks logical, which is why Dr. Kay was introduced to us - there is no Brenner, but there is still someone who wants to use El. If not Kay, there will be someone else.
I'm glad that Will referred to Mike as his Tammy (I had a lot of fun on this stage that he might accidentally burn Robin, which only two of those present know about). Well, I haven't seen them plot together at all, and we don't need another triangle before the finale.
I really hope that flenser won't be the main evil after all, because human evil is more interesting than otherworldly evil, and such a twist will essentially negate the fourth season. From what I've heard, the Duffers didn't seem to confirm that the play was straight out of the canon, although I tried not to read too much to avoid spoilers. But they'll definitely tell you about the briefcase, you don't just hang up a gun like that.
It's also clear now where all the monsters are - they were just recalled from the Inside Out as unnecessary.
It's hard to predict deaths, but watching the Duffers hype on Steve's death, I somehow even calmed down for him. It's too blatant if he really dies. Maybe Will, since he opened up to everyone and everyone accepted him. And probably El, because this story really won't end with her, and from their discussion with Mike about "what happens after", it's clear that for them there shouldn't be a after according to the law of the genre. Hopper may be because he said in prison that he believes he stayed alive to help El. And if he could help her in some final way now... Anyway, it's better they both die than he loses his other daughter already. Mb Dustin as a follower of the heroic tradition of Steve and Eddie. Lucas is just reunited with Max.
In general, almost any character can be drawn from this team. Well, except for those who recently joined, because there won't be much heat from their death, there's no point in it.
Somehow, the episode didn't even feel like a pre-final, it seems like there's so much more to show and tell us how it's all going to fit in the last two hours. And it's not clear, either in the last episode they'll arrange a meat grinder and kill everyone, or we were deceived and there won't be the cruelest ending, let's see what happens.
It scared me that Steve and Dustin repeated again that You die - I die, right before the finale it's scary, please don't kill them 🥹🥹🥹
Sister El is infuriating, of course, but you think everything is pointless, don't drag her along while she's alive - she can fight, she can endlessly destroy new laboratories and move to other countries, it's still better than taking and dying like this
And I'm also glad that Byler is not canon, well, I didn't see any reciprocation from Mike, I saw in him just a friend who loved El very much as a girl, and loves Will as a best friend, I don't understand why everyone saw Mike and Will as a couple. Will has earned himself a good boyfriend who will reciprocate his feelings.
The only thing I remember from the entire season was his vivid reaction to Will's abilities and Max's return, and the rest just didn't happen at all. And a funny scene from the bathroom when rescuing children)
It's clear that everyone has their own defense mechanisms under stress, but I have a feeling that the chubby boy is more worried about his family than Mike. Well, ofkos Lucas for Max.
Hmmm... in a famous vampire movie 😄😏🙂↕️
But Nancy and Jonathan were well divorced. They remained close people, but already on their own.
It is clear that he is skilled, but they could have kept him at a distance like Max, having received all the devices in advance, would have explained everything to Dustin on the walkie-talkie. Hopper had been grumbling at Odie for half a season that the inside was dangerous and that everyone should stay away from her (it was clear that the military was looking for her, but still), but in the end he had zero questions about dragging all the children and teachers there..
Holly is so brave! Max is back! Dustin and Steve are such sweethearts. Finally, we had a heart-to-heart talk. The fire series
What the Duffers have turned one of the best TV series into…
The third is a farce.
The fourth one turned the series the other way, as if you were watching something else
It's amazing how many people are unhappy with the acting and plot twists. Personally, I make the directors' decisions and try to understand why the story develops the way it does. Even if everyone's life may hang in the balance in the next episode, I would be sincerely pleased to see everyone alive and get a real happy ending so that all the darkness eventually turns into bright notes.
No one is forcing you to watch 😏
As for your views, that's your business, but appealing to nature is pretty stupid. In nature, homosexuality occurs all the time and, as a rule, is adapted by the same nature to the survival of the species.
I don't want to argue on this topic, I expressed my opinion, which I have the right to, so have a nice day!)
and I'm not arguing with you, I'm pointing out a factual error.
Survival is not limited to reproduction.
And life is not about survival, and not just for people.
Secondly, there are a lot of things that are not inherent in you. The whole human culture and civilization was not created by nature, but people did it all. So references to nature are always nonsense.
I expressed MY opinion in a separate comment thread, I didn't ask yours)
And if you're impatient to insert your pennies, put a minus sign and move on)
And once again, I will say that your tolerance does not stand up to any criticism, because it is easier for you (the crowd) to accept that guys are banging your ass than the fact that someone may not agree with you)))
So much attention is paid to Will's orientation, and at the most critical moments (you have the fate of the world at stake there right now), that it just looks inappropriate. And it would also be fine if there were any prerequisites for this, but in previous seasons there was only one mention that Will was bullied at school because of his alleged orientation, while Will himself did not say that he suffered because of this (in any case, this was not shown).
But this season, he suddenly began to suffer a lot and was driven by it, so much so that he had to pay so much attention to coming out.
Of course, revealing the topic of self-acceptance is quite wonderful, it adds depth to the characters, reveals them, but not when it is done so head-on and without prerequisites.
If they had stopped at Will's conversation with Robin (in episode 4) and closed the subject, there would have been no questions at all. In episode 4, everything was done well and everyone would find the right meaning for themselves, associating themselves with the character and his problems, empathizing with him (for someone, self-acceptance is to admit that you, for example, are not handsome / weak / different from your peers, for others - that you are of a different orientation), after all, the authors have shown the necessary and sufficient minimum.
But when you are shown a character's problem in a straightforward way, which seems to have grown out of thin air, and besides, they concretize the problem so much that you can no longer somehow associate the character's problems with your own, it becomes impossible to empathize with the character. It just feels somehow wrong, somehow unnatural, as if an instruction was given to show the summons and now we have shown it.
But judging by the comments here, people like everything. But it's not for me to judge them.
And there were a lot of hints in season 3.
In general, the Ulla arch is one of the most logical character development. It's been waiting for five seasons to mature and finally explode. Where to pull next? Of course, when it comes to coming out, you need to be straightforward, otherwise why all this?
And what the agenda has to do with it, I'll never understand. They've been discussing this topic for a long time, but some people have been locked into the word "agenda" and won't let them go. 😪
But nevertheless, I remain of the opinion that the cuming-out was done too bluntly and inappropriately. The commentator @luvrok below probably expressed my complaints about this whole situation better.
And, again, as I wrote above, the conversation I had with Robin in episode 4 would have been enough. There was enough said and everyone understood everything. But no, you need to devote a lot of time from the general timekeeping (before the final battle) to things that do not have any significant impact on the plot (this is just a repetition of what we already understood / learned), despite the fact that the plot this season is very crumpled and with a lot of holes.
And as was correctly noted in the comments, they devote too much time to Will, too much. A good example is that Max and Audie were best friends, and a lot of time was devoted to this in previous seasons. Will and Max hadn't had much contact before. Max is coming out of his coma this season, and what do we see? Odie doesn't seem to care about Max, there's not a single scene where we're shown how happy she is to see her friend. For that, Will is very happy with Max, hugs her, talks to her, which has never happened before.
The focus is strongly shifted towards Will, towards not so significant things (which I consider to be Will's orientation in the context of the entire series and in particular the last season), which negatively affects the rest of the narrative.
This is the agenda.
But as for the fact that there is a lot of Will — well, listen, he was very much in the background in season 3 and 4, but since this is the final one, they returned to the source, that is, to the emphasis on Will, because in my personal perception he is the main character of this series.
Well, it negatively affects the narrative for someone, not because it's a subpoena, but because these people are homophobes. Let's be honest.
It's certainly not Will's fault that they don't devote enough time to the same El or others. It's the fault that there are too many heroes and the creators of it were able to intelligently divide the screen time between them.
I thought about Steve, that's why he was so popular with girls (and it's probably not clear from current events), because he's a sweetheart, and not because of the hairstyle and car, as everyone thought in the first season
And each time, her skills improved. Specifically, Nancy did not surprise me at all in the season.
I'm more than sure that over the past year and a half, she went to the shooting range at every opportunity to let off all the steam from everything that was happening around her)
They're in the "opposite" camp, of course, but still no big deal.
Very touching🥹🥹🥹
first of all, how the fire-out happens, it just happens awkwardly, cringingly, all this drama is unnecessary, the whole monologue of Will feels very fake.
secondly, I want to remind you that the year 87 in the series, if my memory serves me correctly, and the actions take place not in New York, but in a small city, there are hardly any people who can be called tolerant, especially since the state of Indiana is quite conservative and has always been so. It just looks silly.
can bet the bad guys from the government are homophobes, like Vecna himself, they all work the same way, they are kind and understanding, and these are not homophobes, the rest are bad, the world is black and white
Max!!! Finally!!!!
PS. If Vecna can read minds and get into his head, why didn't he immediately find out that Holly was planning an escape? at the time of the meeting with Max, she is alone in the house. All the attention and control is on her))
How strong it was
On the scene of Will's confession, my heart sank, how strong he is!!
Everything in this scene was played flawlessly 💔
The editing was a little frustrating. Why do we need so many repetitions? In short, it wouldn't be the same as with Game of Thrones, when Arya Stark killed the King of the Night in 3 minutes, which ran for 7 seasons, with the first mini knife she saw. 😂
As a consumer of artistic works, I like it when some thing known to the audience for a long time turns out to be not what it seems - as they did from the Inside Out! That it's just a bridge, not a separate dimension!
However, our heroes have a lot of work to do. With each season, the volume is growing and growing, they really deserve to retire to save the world for the rest of their lives!
And anyway, I'm really glad that the physics teacher has FINALLY joined the group. Considering his knowledge, it's about time!
I would also like to note that I am happy for Max and Lucas — what is it if not true love, if he continued to hope for two years and was by your side in the hospital while you were in a coma? And her words: "I didn't need Kate Bush. I needed you" — 😭😭😭My blessings, my children! In ten years, you can safely have a wedding!
Now Holly: if I were in her place, even if I could get out in the end, I would have severe psychological trauma for the rest of my life if I woke up with this thing in my mouth. 🙈 She and Will can now organize a support club for Vexa victims! Because it's clearly a metaphor for child sexual abuse. Vecna is a pedophile in a sense, and the final scene with him - I don't know who sympathizes with him, but for me he is pure evil. And this is despite the fact that I really love Jamie Campbell Bower – creepy villain will be very cool to play him!
But at the same time, I want to applaud Holly for her courage and quick wit! Yes, she didn't manage to get out, but she was very close to it. Considering that she is 8-9 years old and she was there herself, it deserves respect! I would have curled up in a ball there and died in my own feces, shitting myself out of fear. Especially at such a young age!
There were also such disgusting sounds🤮🤮🤮
And before that, you need to try all the other ways!
And about Millie's acting skills: I have to agree. It's kind of wooden this season. Especially against the background of the fact that I recently came across a video from her auditions for season 1 – the child had such a talent there, but now it seems to have blown away. But it is unclear who is to blame for this result: the creators or Millie herself?
I don't know why many people write that it was embarrassing, as if it was bad! Like, isn't that how it should be? Personally, I was so worried and even sweating, as if I was confessing to my family! And every ten seconds she pressed pause and breathed to calm herself. 😅
It's very difficult! And the fact that some people consider the "clash" to be such a key moment for a character raises questions about the development of their emotional intelligence.
However, as a fan of the Bilers, I must admit that I'm still kind of upset that we didn't get as many interactions between Will and Mike as I expected, but the emphasis on Mike when Will said the cherished "I don't like girls," and the little nuances in the form of looking down, give me faith. that when they defeat Vecna, we will have a separate scene with Mike and Will, where they will at least talk in private and Mike will ask who was the crash that Will mentioned (plus he will inform them that he and Al are no longer together (if Will is not already aware of this) – because from them The whole season is as much about friends as possible, not a couple in love. They clearly broke up in those 1.5 years between seasons 4 and 5!
Other than that, I refuse to be led on "he was my Tammy"! No, he wasn't! Mike, damn, there's no way it can be Tammy, if only because, by analogy with Robin, she suddenly fell in love with a girl she didn't really know, and Mike and Will have been friends since kindergarten! It's not just a sudden crush on a random person that you can easily step over.
That is, even if Mike and Will are not endgames, I'm ready to accept it (even if I cry first), but then at least let me hear a clear "no" from Mike, in the spirit of: "sorry dude, all the hints that I'm at least bisexual seemed to all of you"!
There were too many hints. And no one will change my mind.
What's the cost of "how obvious?" and Will's look at that moment. It was probably a collective hallucination from which mikewhatthefuckdidyoudogate emerged.
Then, in fact, Al and the rest of the miracle children will be born anyway, they just won't have their superpowers and they will be ordinary people, which in turn will make it possible for them to live a normal life, well, new ones. They won't be able to make miracle children either, because there won't be a main source of this power.
Persians who died because of monsters can also come back to life.
But at the same time, in fact, the entire cast of characters will lose themselves, because they will lose their memories of what they experienced and will live a different life, and I can't stand this, because as a viewer I am attached to these particular versions of the Persians, and the dummies who have lost all their memories are literally other personalities:(
And "Al" would die anyway, meaning that this particular part of her identity would be gone, leaving only Jane.
Well, apparently Mike's fears from season 4 that he is too ordinary for her (as well as El's opposite fears because of his strangeness) will lose their relevance, because they will be equal + somehow miraculously they will get to know each other anyway and will be together, which will serve as a refutation of Mike's words about that this is not fate, but just a combination of circumstances and not the fact that under other conditions she would have chosen him.
In short, there will be some kind of normal ending where no one will die (well, unless Al dies, but Jane will survive, lol) + everyone will lose their memories, live ordinary lives, and at most they will catch some kind of deja vu about the past, which did not exist.
in tiktok, I also saw a theory about 12 - like on a watch - there are 12 on the dial (12 children) and the watch itself (Henry/Vecna), it was not for nothing that they struck then at the end
Some of the scenes that were supposed to be catchy are incredibly dumb. Like Holly and Max, who decided to stand there hard while Lucas almost died with that tape recorder.
That the cuming-out, which looks cringe-worthy, is too sudden, and the actions after that look like Mr. Tony and his "enyway" + why are all the characters there, why not do it as something more personal...
Anyway, everything looks strange.
Hopefully, this is the lull before the finale.
Their slowness would look appropriate for a situation where they are getting out of some more or less comfortable but wrong world into a complex reality and making a difficult decision. But Max had literally been surviving for the last few years, she was on the verge of death, and she hadn't seen anyone but Harry for a long time. It would be logical to run, almost falling, and grab for life, rather than dramatically slapping and chatting about life for a long time..
I have 2 versions. Either the focus is on viewers with severe ADHD, who need the picture and context to change every minute, or (please don't) a new SD awaits us, but there will be Holly, Eric Cartman, etc.
Maybe the extras will be posted someday
I didn't really follow the news about the series between seasons, etc., but I knew about the production and knew the plot in general.
The first part: the heroes pull off an entire inside-out operation through a military base, a plan, timings, etc. They get stuck there and don't know how to get out.
Episode 7: the characters simply tear off the slab above the fault, climb inside in a minute, find friends, and come back out in a minute.
The end of the seventh episode: the heroes are again required to enter through a military base, while slaughtering innocent soldiers, and BRAVELY arrange it by showing how STRONG NANCY (having previously boasted "do you even know how to shoot a pistol?") ruins a crowd of military men with one burst, who, of course, can't do anything do it.
Logic? Yes, the authors within one episode can no longer keep their own made-up rules.
Against this background, Will's exit from the closet is not even the most cringe-worthy in the episode.
That's bullshit, hospade.
And again, the Russians in Moscow prevented everyone 🥲
The grandmother is just such a strong meter with a cap, she almost lifted and turned over a two-meter guy with one hand.
Leitek is so brave, and he was basically raped by an old woman who hadn't heard of the boomerang law. Was such a brave man really able to endure such humiliation from some poltorashka?
The second volume is not perfect, but not to the point of hysteria that the "fans" have caused.
Right now, it literally boils down to either ridiculing Will or being furious about "Tammy." In the end, Robin turned out to be at fault there, because she brainwashed Will))
They simply didn't bother to pay even a second attention to Max's reaction to the suddenly resurrected Hopper. Not to mention a bunch of other problems. Will's awkward cuming out in front of people he barely knows is like the icing on the cake.
OSD has rolled into soy gum without any meaning. Tedium and propaganda. I watched the first part of the season, listened to what they say about the second and decided to skip it. And then, for the first part, out of boredom, he constantly got into the phone, which did not happen with previous seasons. Apart from the Netflix gay show-off (which has nothing to do with the series and where everyone is so accepting, of course, and no one has a different opinion), the narrative has also skipped a lot. The dialogues are dumb, and so is the behavior of the characters. It's clear from the faces of many actors that they've had enough of this for a long time. It's a pity to talk about Odie's face, she disfigured her appearance for no reason - the makeup artists did well here, somehow they corrected the situation, but they are not magicians either.
Unfortunately, there are too many soy sissies on maishous who sympathize with such blatant degradation. The series wasn't originally about all that. He lost his charm, his meaning, lost his spirit, lost the whole atmosphere. Moreover, due to the fact that it was stretched for as long as 10 years, its relevance has completely disappeared. The fashion for the 80s has long passed, which makes it feel like you've opened a package of delicious food with an expired shelf life and it's naturally spoiled and stinks.
Initially, long before the release, I was sure that the finale would be a total drain. I'm still sure of it. And I'm even more than sure that after the 31st, most of those who are screaming here with joy (I don't understand what they're happy about) will realize that some kind of bullshit has turned out and will agree with me. Hollywood series of this level rarely end well. Maybe that's why they last forever -the creators lose touch with reality and don't know how to complete the pile they've created. As for the OSD, I think the Duffers tried to please everyone, but, as is usually the case, they won't please anyone in the end...
Drain. Drop
and children always call themselves anything else, they just emphasized that in the 80s it was still shameful, but now they say in schools that this is normal and even cool.
the fact that Will cried when he was "rejected" from the company is more crying for childhood, for cozy company, unity, and not for Mike. People are already stupid and see things that AREN't there.
It's just such a strain... a person at such a young age does not have sex and love topics on his mind, but dreams, an idealized perception of the world, and at the same time simpler and more unsophisticated, unsullied by "agendas" and ideas of the world. a person can really have sensitivity, vulnerability (especially after the horrors that he has experienced, in fact, alone in another world). and this is all attributed to his orientation. Yeah...
is it possible that some of the audience is so stupid...
but yes, the creators then, seeing these reactions of the fandom + movements in the lives of real actors + the "plan" from the studio, naturally twisted the homo theme to the fullest to the delight of this part of the fandom.
but this is not about that, but once again about the fact that everything for children can be much simpler, and they write off the same topic...
I would like to see December 31st soon!
@kvasilio: I can't forbid anything to anyone) The fact that the rating is deliberately underestimated is a fact, and no, it's not that everyone didn't like it. Reading the comments with reactions, you realize that they are doing this not because of a bad plot and a ragged narrative, but specifically because of the presence of cuming-out scenes and the absence of Bailer scenes.
Well, not by one series. It's not objective. I could easily understand if they put a three, but not a one. And especially not the bunch of nasty jokes that accompany these units, which use excerpts from little Will. Or half-joking threats towards the Duffer brothers, and quite serious wishes to "f***off"🤷
PS: do you think it's normal to overestimate the ratings of the season and the series just because of the coming out? Despite the holes in the script, the poor acting and the leaky editing
And you absolutely missed the part about objectivity in my comment.
And yes, commentators here rarely have anything to do with the rating at all. I read comments and opinions on various resources, including IMDb and rotten tomatoes, and even there many write that they were not satisfied with the cuming out scene, while others write that they were not satisfied with the absence of the couple they wanted. Even there, few people talk about the plot from the inside out, etc.
I'm already silent about such resources as Twitter, Reddit and others, where people don't choose expressions and other things at all.
Therefore, yes. If we're talking about objectivity, then people merge a specific episode, and the season as a whole, to show their outrage at certain scenes, and not because the series and the series are really terrible.
And yes, you asked why YOU overestimate grades, I told you that I personally did not do it.
But I can understand those who are giving A's now. Because people put inflated fives on underestimated units, which will eventually bring the series to a well-deserved average score))
You're also getting personal. And who else among us is a madman who can't engage in a normal dialogue?))
because yes, you wrote correctly, people literally picked up the wave of hate, even all their complaints are voiced with the same wording. It all looks so strange.😅
I wish Hopper had shot Kali by now. How it freezes me out… Audie will definitely die because of her. After listening to these nonsense, she won't want to come back from the bridge. and there will be a heartbreaking scene with Hopper. The only one who can stop them is Will, who volunteered to be there with them.
Kali and Audie have completely different life experiences, Kali has never had an environment where she was accepted, understood, supported, and loved. that's why she has such a pessimistic view of it all. The buddies she had were bandits and murderers who used each other. and Kali also wanted to use Odie in the second season, but it didn't work out because Odie has something to fight for and whom, but this one doesn't. Well, if you want to die yourself, well, let's go, don't come back, why do you want to drag One out with you? Anyway, they dug her up to kill her in the finale.
I don't know how everything will be handled for the rest of the episode. As long as they don't crumple it up, as they often do. :/
They just crammed in a ton of characters who do nothing but fuck around. There are so many pretentious scenes, so much epic tension, and even the Avengers will envy the way they brainstorm... It's trite to not empathize with anyone anymore. There is a piano in the bushes for every action of the characters.
What happened to Mike, why did he go from being the leader of the gang to being the backdrop? Where is its development. What's with El? Why did her character become wooden? She wasn't even given a meeting scene with Max, her best friend, for a moment. Will's coming out was a matter of time, but why did it turn out so stupidly and clumsily. As many have already written, it would have been much more touching if only Mom had been there, and maybe Mike. Fuck the crowd there, half of which doesn't care about Wil's orientation at all. Acting is generally something with something... Both children and adults. It is either hypertrophied or wooden. And in general, the characters' images turned out to be too caricatured. By the way, I just realized from my coma that Nancy and Jonathan broke up lol.
On the plus side, some of the scenes were well shot, and I like the characters of Steve, Henry, and Holly.
Well, to be honest, the plot armor of the main characters is already beginning to strain, the scriptwriters do not dare to kill at least one of the huge pile of characters that have accumulated enough for 4 seasons, and over and over again they kill characters that do not affect anything (I suspect that it will be Mr. Clark and the Eighth).
I expect little from the finale, I doubt that in two hours we will be able to cram everything in and most likely it will turn out very crumpled. But I really liked the idea of the wormhole.
If I were Will, I would have almost fainted there too, while I was making this confession in front of my family and loved ones. And of course it will be awkward, it is unlikely that this process could have been pleasant and easy at that time!
Well, fuck you forever, now Will is also against you, who is not afraid of anything now😎
Finally, they explained the essence of the Inside Out, told us about the Abyss, that was really interesting!
And so it seems like I looked at three episodes, but the plot was in place, and it's worth it) Yes, it's cool, there were a lot of interesting things, a lot of touching dialogues, cool moments, but the closer the finale gets, the more you want the plot to develop, that's how it works) I hope it's a 10/10 grand finale, then I'll take it back and say that the Duffers are geniuses. There are just fears that the finale may be merged, as in many excellent TV series before that) I'm really looking forward to the finale of this wonderful legendary series and to say right after the credits, "WOW, that was oh***! "
And then it turned out that it wasn't a joke.
otherwise, I'm afraid to ask what kind of adventures you have with your friends there, if there hasn't been much left from friendly gatherings in this series for a long time, it's too bloodthirsty and fantastic for our reality))
You know what I mean, why pretend? We had a good imagination, and we made up other things in our heads and played it while running through the woods. And I loved watching this in the series, only there the characters have real adventures.
Well, as for childhood, I probably never looked at the series by analogy with myself and some childhood adventures, perhaps we just had a very different childhood.
Why is this scene there, it's not a topic at all, especially at the moment of APPROACHING APACALYPSIS.
Everywhere, everywhere... They're pushing this agenda, it's kind of crazy.
As much as I resent the very fact of the presence of lesbians and gays in Netflix series, I resent when they emphasize it. So that ALL THE VIEWERS AND CHARACTERS can see that he/she is NON-TRADITIONAL. What for??? If gays and lesbians were everywhere in the words of LGBT supporters, then why put such an emphasis on it, it could be shown more naturally. But this scene will be put there for show.
And let me remind you, Will was originally the main character, whom Dad called a "faggot" when he was a kid. It was originally part of the plot. If some people can't open their eyes and understand the plot, then again it's you who's responsible, not the alleged agenda
I can't believe that the final episode will save this season, I would like to hope that it will at least be "normal"
that Will's BIG SECRET was presented as if it were a huge cliffhanger and the fate of the world depended on it.
that the timing is stretched to infinity and it's just boring to watch.
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- the heroes have been thinking inside out for many years, why haven't they found the wall yet, but only now?
- As I understand it, 2 years have passed in the series since the earth broke apart. Why did Vecna wait 2 years to kidnap the children, why didn't he connect these worlds for so long?
And yes, the whole series is blah blah blah blah. Maybe it's important, blah blah blah, but that much is all the same. What the hell was Kali doing? Why couldn't Eleven figure out on her own that she had to kill this freak and sacrifice herself for peace? It would be such a powerful character leap! She opened the gate, and so on.. To make her feel guilty and want to save everyone. And then Mike would be like, Noooo, Audie! Ai love yu, stay wiz mi! And other romantic cotton candy, and now he runs to her, saves her, and everyone is happy. But no, for some reason, this Kali spoils everything for us. And yes, why doesn't she use her powers at all? Why the fuck are they messing up all these plans, infiltrating the base, etc., if Kali can hypnotize everyone there?
I laughed when Mike told my mom to stay in the hospital. I saw it as: "Mom, we already have 150 characters here, you'd better stay in the hospital."
How Holly punched her friend! Pretty woman! Hypnotized children are a scary scribe. I remember the movie with alien children "Village of the Damned" brrrr.
In general, the series is a stretch for three. I'll consider this the calm before the storm.
either the mega-abilities suddenly opened up, or he's now a key character... the open confessions are parallel to real life.
of course, damn, when a tentacle / some guy enters the body and mind, it is unlikely that you will remain straight afterwards, such an injury cannot be treated. -__-
"Oh, I shouldn't have come here."
@AlexBober:
So what is it😂 now the whole situation has started to play with new colors for me🤭
Mike and Odie don't smell like love here at all, for me they both broke up a long time ago and now they're just friends, it's not even that they don't get screen time, but in general that the chemistry between the actors is zero, they don't fit each other outwardly and there are no feelings between them, generally in general There's a problem with feelings, I don't feel the love between the characters, the care, the support, yes, but not the love that can be between a guy and a girl
About Will, after all, everyone bothered him, well, they told everyone that he was gay and what, it fits into the plot, he should stop being afraid, how would he say and tell you why this is so triggering
It's funny that Will's coming out plays an important role in the plot, he got rid of his fear and is now invulnerable to the Abyss, but it's not necessary to bring him together with someone at the end, because Will develops as a character, and he doesn't need a romantic relationship for this, he gets to know himself.
And my God, there have been so many arguments about his coming out, everyone expresses their point of view (I really agree with many), but how much negativity is there from LGBT supporters because of this… You guys are so full of shit.😕
And fuck you, you fucking homebreakers. Robin was enough.
God, how many empty, forced dialogues, how much water, I haven't watched this in a long time. They just spend the whole second part figuring things out, when there's nothing to figure out, to be honest. And how I got ALL the characters' story armor, everything looks even more improbable with it.
I look at it and every episode I think that the best GP and IP in this world will not remove anything in terms of intensity and immersion in another world.
It feels like the scriptwriters took the tropes of the connected hero and antihero, the style of the 80s, the current agenda and ran it all through the GPT chat and he gave them the script.
One picture and the music pleases, the rest is all over after the 4th episode. And the first four episodes already looked somehow foreign. But there was a lot of talk…
Will (whoever gets it, gets it):
Well, yes... I ate glass at Will's speech at the end😢
I'm sitting in tears again, how difficult it is to be an empathic person 😭😭😭
And what should I be responsible for? That I'm not aggressive? Am I comfortable with non-traditional relationships ?
You disliked it because you didn't like my comment, but for some reason you decided to pour your experiments on me, and then went ahead and started disliking comments on completely different series.
You're a very strange guy. Drink some magnesium
Oh, these fanatics)
The best friendship is Dustin and Steve
The best couple is Lucas and Max.
It's scary to turn on the final episode, the main thing for me is that Will finally be happy, and here's a 50/50 chance.
+ In fact, no one had time to be shocked, yes, they showed that they were shocked, but this was too quick a reaction for me, especially considering that the events in the 80s.
Well, I hope the last episode doesn't disappoint and makes the ending just bombastic. 🔥🙏
Kali is very suspicious. What if she creates illusions for the whole team while Vecna executes her plan?
In any case, it is obvious that something needs to be done abruptly now, otherwise everyone will... a. And she is developing her entire program for the birth of superhumans, which in any case takes years.
Vecna at this time: am I some kind of joke to you? 😂
What a wonderful scene it was with Will when he accepted himself and was able to control the demogorgons. Everyone understood everything and even laughed. And how the Duffers messed up this whole scene: we've got the last Avengers-level battle coming up here, wait a minute. - Guys, I don't know how this will help you in battle, but I love boys...
And we also have a summons. Yes, it's really important for me to know that gg is not like everyone else, because it really changes the plot (it doesn't fucking affect anything).
Vibe is fucked up. Previously, each season was visually different somehow. There was a certain feeling about him, and I really like season 2 and 3. But who the fuck knows, it's just that something's going on inside
There's only the last episode left, but it feels like it's just as much bullshit as everything else this season.
Yes, Captain.
It's not even about the cumingout, everyone knew that about Will perfectly well, but how it was presented and at what moment.
The episode's rating speaks for itself!
There was no need for a cuming-out, they poured such empty drama, damn
It feels like Netflix is like that, there's only one episode left, come on. They're already checking it out. yes, if he had been gay (hidden) since the first season. Well, there would be no questions. and if anyone really doesn't like it, they'd skip the first season. and the rating of the series (excellent in my opinion) did not just drop by 0.5 points. because you can't do that to the audience.
Then in season 4, when Mike and Will were driving in a van (and Jonathan was driving) They had a conversation where Will talked about Eleven and how he and she were different (or something like that), where it was clear that he wasn't just referring to his abilities. After the conversation, Will turned away from Mike and started crying. Jonathan silently eavesdropped on all this and already then understood what his younger brother was talking about.
Then Jonathan, alone with Will, hinted that he could trust him and tell him everything.
It was brought to this for a long time and unobtrusively, since many did not even understand it.
Or was it necessary to make a scene where Will, as Helga, clutches Arnold's photo to her chest and sighs heavily?)
But nevertheless, the scene with the confession at the end of the episode caused more cringe. The apocalypse is coming, and you're here with your news that you like men's pussies more.
The white muck froze a few centimeters away from Nancy and Jonathan (what luck), and although they were completely soaked in it, for some reason both were not covered with a nice crust.
The demogorgons almost discover lesbukh, nigger and Max (and if they combed the whole room pretty quickly, then they suddenly slowed down 50 times over the characters), but at the very last moment they are distracted by a cylinder in the washing machine, which somehow destroys all three monsters.
Any weapon in the hands of the military does not work against demogorgons, any crap in the hands of the characters destroys them in batches.
At the moment of the cuming out, Willa laughed, it was very carbon monoxide.
Nancy is successfully firing a machine gun against a couple dozen fucking military men, who all apparently have -15 in both eyes, since none could hit her. Come on, Nancy, they didn't even shoot at the tires. (Although, considering that after a bunch of hits to the hood of the truck, the engine didn't fucking explode, it still wouldn't have helped. The car is covered with <storyline> mithril armor). And when the door opened at the back of the truck for Hopper to climb in, the whole company probably had to reload sharply, since they stopped shooting.
Yes, definitely the best TV series of our time.
If there was. Excuse me
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My sneakers are going to fly. It's probably sometimes difficult for LGBT people to admit this, but since I'm completely calm about it, it's a little difficult for me to feel this moment.
Well, okay, I'm glad that Dustin and Steve have finally reconciled. But the season as a whole is not encouraging at all, I don't even want to paint everything, it's just damn weak. I hope at least the last episode somehow rehabilitates.
P.S. Maya Hawke has become painfully thin :(
Good people quickly redid this scene in the neural network)
It became very insulting that everywhere about g**v and li*****nok are inserted .
I have nothing against them!
But I would like them not to be inserted into children's TV series and films.
"Is everything okay?"
- yes.
About the moment of Will's revelation and the drama that precedes it - there's only an Emmy, no less. Robin nods understandingly.
Steve and Dustin - 💔
Such a touching friendship) I hope everything will be fine with them!
And how did Kali appear off topic with her moronic plan to withdraw 😬
As for the series, I personally liked it, and alas... this is the penultimate one. It would be a pity if someone died, but it seems to me that the authors will obviously sacrifice someone for the sake of a dramatic story. Odie's sister doesn't inspire confidence, the girl is completely desperate and, apparently, is trying to convince Eleven to do something stupid.
Well, these are not children anymore, everyone has a strong side, and Forever they will get their business in the face, the good will win, and that's it. But at least the ending was epic with minimal losses and a happy ending, they are all (our heroes) they deserved it without exception.
Max and lucas love just❤
I don't like Kylie's plan, no matter how they really implement it, it will be very sad.
Generally, recognition is cool, but, as for me, it doesn't fit into such a rich plot. Mixed feelings...
It's simple, but it's also very cool how everyone supported him and hugged him.
The final episode )
In general, this whole story with the kids already reminds me of something: mentally they are in a rainbow sunny picture, but physically they are trapped in a nightmarish place and do not realize it. 🧐
I finally got to the moment with Will's confession, very touching words, and the moment was delayed for a long time, but the time came after 5 seasons)))