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Duration: 47 min.
Released: 04.03.202504.03.2025 15:00
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s01e01 - Heaven's Half Hour
s01e02 - Optics
s01e03 - The Hollow of His Hand
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Нелюдь
Нелюдь
PRO
05 Mar 08:01 #
Well, something like that... There was even a moment with a netflix tone in this episode. But there is still a slight sense of parody.
henrywayat
henrywayat
05 Mar 16:23 #
@Non-human: well, not that parodies, but rather imitations, yes.
KudasaiYo
KudasaiYo
PRO
05 Mar 08:59 #
Well, it was a realistic fight, it was cool. If we ignore the graphene cut in the 1st series, then in general, I like everything.
The good old Kingpin is slowly coming back.
IL-2
IL-2
05 Mar 16:00 #
@KudasaiYo: Can I watch it without watching the main series? Will Everything be clear?
Prun_ik
Prun_ik
05 Mar 17:13 #
@IL-2: What's the problem with watching? I think it won't be superfluous, after all, this series is a soft sequel. And to start watching the series, so to speak, from season 4, somehow it's like that.
IL-2
IL-2
05 Mar 19:11 #
@Prun_ik: that's why I'm asking) Still, it seems like a separate series, not season 4. Thanks!
EmilD
EmilD
05 Mar 19:48 #
@IL-2: In fact, it's still season 4, so of course it's worth it, because the series is good.
Нелюдь
Нелюдь
PRO
05 Mar 20:09 #
@IL-2: Disney initially tried to make their own drama, it was so bad that they restarted production and reviewed their entire approach to series production... With the restart of production, they decided to hire a showrunner for the first time (although studio pressure is still noticeable) and tried to hire as many people as possible from Netflix productions, now it's a direct continuation.

The first 2 episodes have a character and references to season 3. Panisher and Spoody-man were mentioned in the same sentence and shown a tattoo of his skull, Panisher was in season 2 of the Netflix version. There are also references to Jessica Jones (so far only through the company), Echo, and Hawkeye (the situation with the eye, the ridiculous shit in the finale of Echo and "adidas " mafia).

Is it worth watching the first 3 seasons? Absolutely!
Should I watch them before the Disney version? Before the release of these two episodes, I would have said yes. But with watching the first 2 episodes, I would still probably advise watching this first and then filling in the blanks with 3 seasons of Netflix, because Disney still does not reach the quality bar of the Netflix version. With zero expectations, there will be fewer claims.
Лео
Лео
05 Mar 21:46 #
@IL-2: you can, a brief retelling on Ihab to help, from Qewbite, for example
KudasaiYo
KudasaiYo
PRO
05 Mar 22:16 #
@IL-2: I highly recommend checking out the previous seasons first, not only for the sake of understanding a lot of references, but simply because this is one of the best superhero projects in the history of TV.
keyo1sha
keyo1sha
06 Mar 00:16 #
@Non-human: Why do you call it Disney if the Netflix version was also Disney?
Hidji
Hidji
06 Mar 00:31 #
@keyo1sha: It's like a murder case. Whoever orders and pays (as well as has the rights to broadcast) is the main one))). Whose gang the performer belongs to is no longer important).
Нелюдь
Нелюдь
PRO
06 Mar 01:19 #
@keyo1sha: Because the Netflix shows were just an order, and back then Marvel Television was still under the leadership of Jeff Loeb. Like other Marvel series from ABC, Hulu, Fox, etc.
It wasn't until 2019 that Kevin Feige became the overlord of Marvel Television and everything was brought under one banner at Disney+ with the launch of streaming.

Born Again has already been completely made in-house by Disney and Feige themselves. The approach to series production for Disney+ was as chaotic as it was with movies. With the relaunch of Born Again production, they decided for the first time to follow the formula of TV series and hired a showrunner rather than a director/creator whom the producers kicked as they wanted.

We'll probably find out if they did it and how hard they press the showrunner only after watching season 2, the first season is still a hodgepodge of scenes before the restart of production.
Hidji
Hidji
06 Mar 01:49 #
@Non-human: They say that the last two episodes of this season are already a completely new work. So it is quite possible to draw the first conclusions from them. It's not enough for full-scale value judgments, but nevertheless😅
Jay-de
Jay-de
08 Mar 07:41 #
@IL-2: Contraindicated! I need to watch all the seasons initially because it's the best superhero series I've seen. You'll miss the very pulp if you don't look.
al_topchiy
al_topchiy
PRO
05 Mar 11:18 #
hxnted
hxnted
PRO
05 Mar 11:36 #
Fisk is already playing kingpin with a picture of the police chief's family.
I've been in shock since the end, and I still don't know if the cop is dead or not. By the sound of it, the neck snapped
Eldar_47
Eldar_47
05 Mar 23:27 #
@hxnted: Well, it's either you or you. The choice was made in favor of life and not the sacrificial lamb.
Xpillz
Xpillz
10 Mar 23:28 #
@hxnted: it depends on how the photo is interpreted, either he is afraid that they will be killed, or he is afraid of the publicity of an illegitimate child. In the 1st case, a threat of reprisals, in the second, ordinary industrial espionage.
MemoryOnSmells
MemoryOnSmells
05 Mar 11:58 #
Matt Murdock's essence returned towards the end of the series
Everything is placed on both sides of the characters. We are waiting for a powerful collision
Kwest
Kwest
05 Mar 12:52 #
The modern realities of politics in relation to the Fiscal are great - a man came, tore people away from something, violated all regulations and forced them to work on a hole. Nothing has been done yet, it's not clear what broke because of his "getting shit done" approach, it's not even clear if it will be done, but we already accept congratulations and public respect for the mayor's reputation. It's a pity that the authors probably didn't put in such satire here, but I liked it anyway.

Matt didn't have enough of it for long. Foggy doesn't deserve revenge from the Devil in Hell's Kitchen, because Matt keeps himself in check. But this story with a character with whom you have 0 stories is definitely the last straw.

It's obvious to everyone that something was going to be the last straw, but somehow too fast. And when it's fast, then it's not emotional.
The problem is not that he started resisting in the fight, but that he lost control. Well, I dripped my blood there (with slow motion so that no one would miss it), so that the plot would spin.

It's not bad, but it's not significantly different from other projects yet.
kate_archer
kate_archer
05 Mar 19:11 #
@Kwest: invested 💯
Meloman_Nastena
Meloman_Nastena
09 Mar 01:11 #
@Kwest: What was he supposed to do, die? And who is to avenge Foggy? Matt always ended up sending his enemies to jail, but the Marked One ended up there.
prison
prison
13 Mar 09:00 #
@Meloman_Nastena: плюс он его с крыши скинул.
dkarnov
dkarnov
15 Mar 17:55 #
@Kwest: he tore them away from doing nothing, because the bureaucracy needed permission from above.
In reality, there are just a lot of things that could have been done a long time ago, but no one needs the permission of someone who is always busy. It's not because it's a regulation that everything would be safe. But because it's bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy, that is, so that an official can receive a PO.
Ebony_Maw
Ebony_Maw
PRO
05 Mar 14:24 #
Дабл килл
Nog
Nog
05 Mar 14:44 #
I wonder if Fisk knows about the therapist's relationship with Matt. I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
Нелюдь
Нелюдь
PRO
05 Mar 20:14 #
@Nog: I would say Netflix Fisk definitely knows, and he most likely set up the situation with the hole. But Disney Fisk is still in question...
henrywayat
henrywayat
05 Mar 16:14 #
Hmm, I wonder if the dirty cops are followers of the Punisher? It's a funny fight at the end, too bad it's short. Apparently, while they're hanging up the guns, I hope they'll have an interesting shot.
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
10 Mar 23:07 #
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gkalian
gkalian
05 Mar 16:25 #
It seems clear why both series were released together. If it hadn't been for the final fight, the whole episode would have gone through the lawyer's business, but in conjunction with the first episode it looks fine.

Interestingly, the cop has a tattoo of a Punisher's skull and an American flag on his arm, apparently a reference to Blue Lives Matter. If that's the case, then the cops clearly took Frank's concept of justice differently.
Prun_ik
Prun_ik
05 Mar 17:16 #
@gkalian: Racist cops abuse and hide behind his symbol.
Prun_ik
Prun_ik
06 Mar 14:55 #
@Prun_ik: the amendment is not racist.
kobiii
kobiii
PRO
05 Mar 17:56 #
I am very glad to be back, once there were no chances at all, but we still got a sequel. There is something to find fault with for sure - the series looks different, the shooting, the colors... The cgi is also striking, but there were also a lot of good moments. Matt and Fisk are brilliant, and the plot as a whole is also interesting so far. There will be a lot of complaints, but it's still unclear exactly, because most of the material was shot before they decided to redo it. Like 1,8, and 9 episodes were completely filmed by a new team. The first one is understandably messy (I liked the second one - the old team - better), but there was a lot to connect, so the main conclusions will be in the last two episodes.

Foggy is very sorry, but it was expected. There were rumors that Karen would have died initially, and that all this would have been behind the scenes, without actors. It's just that since they decided to kill (which is a big minus), they should have dedicated the entire episode to the Trinity, and done this scene at the end, then it would have been better. And in future episodes, I hope they will show more moments with Matt's sadness about his friend, and like in the original series, there are more religious moments.

I liked how Matt threw a Marked Man off the roof in the first episode, but the ending of the second episode with a policeman is even better. The Punisher definitely won't like how they use his logo.
Neo_Fast
Neo_Fast
05 Mar 18:18 #
We've finally waited, so many years of waiting, so far for good reason. Let's see how it goes from here.
bazatron
bazatron
05 Mar 19:29 #
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EmilD
EmilD
05 Mar 19:49 #
@bazatron: they didn't promise anything new, but they promised the return of the old, and well


LanaLuna
LanaLuna
PRO
05 Mar 19:48 #
and I'm thrilled
, yes, the fight in the first episode is not very good, and the draining of Foggy and Karen is terribly sad and insulting, but I missed Matt and daredevil so much that I'm ready to forgive.

Charlie Cox is just incredible, the fight at the end of the episode is on fire, it's really funny how long Matt has been tormented by the dilemma of killing \ not killing, and here, without much thought, he put two cops in civilian clothes) I wonder how they will continue to promote

and unlike many in the comments, I got a splash screen, but it's very sad from the crashing bar "Nelson, Murdock & Page "

AlfeG
AlfeG
PRO
08 Mar 21:48 #
It was necessary to shed, not build a hero.
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
10 Mar 23:10 #
@AlfeG: Yes, not exactly a hero, he was actually arrogantly poking them in the face with two hands with his middle fingers sticking out, not the smartest move.
Meloman_Nastena
Meloman_Nastena
09 Mar 01:13 #
@LanaLuna: Did he just kill them?
LanaLuna
LanaLuna
PRO
09 Mar 01:22 #
@Meloman_Nastena: I looked, I just cut out one, but the second one, which he beat on the refrigerator, so the neck crunched when contacting the floor, I think you can't help there
prison
prison
13 Mar 09:02 #
@LanaLuna: переход к заставке в первой серии вообще разъеб
sai_
sai_
05 Mar 19:49 #
from the most interesting part: "we don't need people in spider costumes" well, everything is clear:')
I noticed the wounds on Fisk's knuckles, whether he was venting anger by beating things, or beating someone else
, and the fight in the apartment was cool. Still, I love these inserts with legal stuff.
xlbuff
xlbuff
05 Mar 19:58 #
In general, it's very much "yes ". The graphics in the first episode were confusing, I agree in this regard. Otherwise, I want more.
EmilD
EmilD
05 Mar 20:26 #
I watched two episodes and overall the impressions are mixed. No, I'm generally glad to see the series return, even the fight and the graphony don't bother me at the beginning of the first episode. The screensaver, by the way, is good, not a masterpiece like in the original, but very high-quality and also quite metaphorical. And Marvel didn't even make such good screensavers, did they?

But I didn't like the speed of events. Yes, it was forced, I understand everything perfectly, reshoots and all that, but it seems to me that it would be possible to arrange everything a little better. I could have shown a little more Karen and Foggy and killed Foggy at the end of the first episode and gone on, but in any case, for now, I want to believe the writers who promise that Karen and Foggy will both be present in the second season, because you can't just kill a character and not even show his funeral..

But in general, the reviewers write that it will only get better and the scenes with Matt and Fisk will be very interesting to develop, so I'm giving the series a chance, not disappointed, just confused, but I'm glad that my beloved blind Catholic and charming Charlie Cox are back.
nemocandance
nemocandance
05 Mar 20:53 #
Fuck, we were just fucked hard, and during the fight it was easy
GonReborn
GonReborn
PRO
05 Mar 21:03 #
I love it when they touch on the topic of the brotherhood of the police, that they are ready to solve everything and go over all the laws just to cover their shoals. It was nice when Matt gave them a hard time at the end.
GonReborn
GonReborn
PRO
05 Mar 21:07 #
Matt really can't see (badumts!) There's nothing strange about that.
noir_character
noir_character
PRO
06 Mar 13:10 #
@GonReborn: Vibe of this scene:
ekko
ekko
05 Mar 21:43 #
The second episode is more Netflix-friendly. Character, not action driven. However, the characters themselves are still so-so. Matt and Fisk carry the whole action on themselves, and the rest are all functions that can be described in a few words. Boring, lifeless, seriously losing charisma to the old characters.
Falleny
Falleny
10 Mar 11:53 #
@ekko: What upsets me more is that not only did they kill Foggy, but they also took Karen out of the story, replacing the boring chan with a psychologist and a new lawyer, who are not even close to suitable replacements.

It can be seen that in the end they did not restart at all, after the unsuccessful first filming. We just shot new scenes for the first episodes after the showrunners changed. And so far it looks boring and dry, I hope it will accelerate further.
Quvatlh
Quvatlh
PRO
05 Mar 22:19 #
I burned almost the entire series. The final scene of the fight can not be compared with Netflix, as if the editor was editing it on arrival.
webchillout
webchillout
08 Mar 01:02 #
@Quvatlh: you are more visible from your dream of course
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
10 Mar 23:12 #
@Quvatlh: Nothing really happened there, bang bang, two corpses (maybe)
prison
prison
13 Mar 09:03 #
@Quvatlh: будто у нетфликса все экшн сцены были классные, а сериал был без филлера. Хоть сам себе на ври
Sich666
Sich666
PRO
05 Mar 22:26 #
Here comes the return of the devil of Hell's kitchen. It's great that they didn't completely change the style from Netflix, although there are unpleasant Disney moments, especially in the first episode, and this slightly spoils the quality. But overall, it's a great start, maybe they'll finally realize that they need to shoot mundane projects, it's the top. Episode 2 is much more interesting.
AlfeG
AlfeG
PRO
08 Mar 21:51 #
@Sich666: Strictly speaking, the series was Disney, and it's still Disney. In fact, only the playground has changed.
Sich666
Sich666
PRO
08 Mar 21:59 #
@AlfeG: I disagree, Disney wasn't filmed like that, in fact it never could have been. They have a basis for everything for children, simplification in everything, and you don't have to talk about adult movies at all. Netflix has done serious projects about people in the first place, namely dramas, without tinsel with aliens, etc.
Paramelion
Paramelion
05 Mar 23:18 #
While it's interesting, Penguin is certainly far away, and the authors themselves said that they would focus on other things in the series.
I haven't watched the first 3 seasons. Just recap them. But after the start of the current season, I will not watch them. Looking at 3 more confrontations against the same antagonist is too much. But for me, this confrontation will be like a new one, so it will be interesting.

The first fight, of course, was very intense because of the graphics. But here it's really nothing)
I hope they will give us more information about the white tiger, after all, now Marvel can introduce more secondary heroes and villains.
keyo1sha
keyo1sha
06 Mar 00:19 #
@Paramelion: there are a lot of antagonists in the original series.
Hidji
Hidji
06 Mar 00:43 #
@Paramelion: In the old TV series, Daredevil has bigger opponents than Fisk, he's just the most colorful and memorable of them all).
Paramelion
Paramelion
06 Mar 02:45 #
@Hidji: Well, if daredevil catches this one, then maybe I'll watch the first three seasons as if they were prequels)
Hidji
Hidji
06 Mar 02:47 #
@Paramelion: and I advise the Punisher at the same time, since there is a connection. These are the two best serial movie comedies of the tenth years.
Paramelion
Paramelion
06 Mar 02:55 #
@Hidji: I only watched Jessica Jones when she came out) the others didn't catch on with their heroes(
Hidji
Hidji
06 Mar 03:01 #
@Paramelion: This one is in third place out of 6 in the Netflix Marvel. But he's also good, though mostly thanks to Krysten Ritter. Plus the antagonist is charismatic). In terms of plot, it is still noticeably inferior to the two above in the list.
webchillout
webchillout
08 Mar 01:03 #
@Paramelion: @Paramelion: What does this have to do with a penguin?
Paramelion
Paramelion
08 Mar 02:08 #
@webchillout: because even the creators themselves mentioned it when talking about this series.
The creator of the series "Daredevil: Born Again," Dario Skardapein, commented on this.

"In many ways, Penguin is our direct competitor. Nevertheless, our story is even more mundane, stylized and relevant. I like Penguin. However, we are more dynamic and angrier."
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
10 Mar 23:13 #
@Paramelion: They're fools, they won't be compared with the Penguin once, but with the Netflix original, obviously.
Hidji
Hidji
06 Mar 00:46 #
The second episode is not bad. I join those who believe in the words of those who watched the entire season on pre-screening and claim that it will only get better. Waiting).
vk922554
vk922554
06 Mar 05:45 #
The fans here are such firebrands, and they didn't know that Foggy and Karen would merge, it was also visible from the filming and promo. Purely, here's a nominal connection with Netflix for you, so that later you can make your own drisnya
KudasaiYo
KudasaiYo
PRO
06 Mar 05:58 #
@vk922554: trailers often overstate expectations, so I personally don't watch them, I don't know for the rest)
Greenie
Greenie
06 Mar 18:29 #
@vk922554: Someone doesn't live in Marvel 😮😣🤯
Quvatlh
Quvatlh
PRO
08 Mar 11:51 #
@Greenie: What are you doing here then?
EmilD
EmilD
06 Mar 18:30 #
@vk922554: I will return to your comment after the final season)
prison
prison
13 Mar 09:06 #
@vk922554: очередной страдающий от "дриснея" что будет весь сезон терпеть стабильно
vk922554
vk922554
13 Mar 17:35 #
@prison: I watched the first two episodes and had enough. Thanks, no need.
ERBI
ERBI
06 Mar 09:53 #
paradoxically, in 2015, of course, the series looked much fresher and cooler, I'm generally silent about the staging of battles and the light in the frame, but in 2025, the series looks like it logically should have looked in 2015.
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
10 Mar 23:14 #
@ERBI: according to the schedule of the first series in general 2003
noir_character
noir_character
PRO
06 Mar 13:27 #
I liked the second episode more than the first one - it's clear that different teams made episodes.

It was interesting to watch Matt's legal work again. I even noticed this atmosphere of a Netflix series, even without the full cast of our avocados at law.. 💔

And the battle in the final scene is spectacular and looks better. It's still a long way from the original level, but I don't lose hope because of the reviews after the pre-screenings (well, I just want to believe in the best because of the very fact of the return of one of my favorite projects and characters, probably).
mark_redforks
mark_redforks
06 Mar 16:10 #
The second episode almost made me fall asleep at first, and only a sincere respect for the previous seasons made me watch, and it paid off. That's the fight that made this Netflix series so popular. And not what it was at the beginning of episode 1. And judging by how quickly Matt's switch clicks, we'll see many more similar scenes.

It's interesting to see new characters, because Matt had a certain circle of people around him, and the rest were just extras at the right moment.

Weird6
Weird6
06 Mar 17:09 #
I liked the second series much more, somehow the shots and the setting in the best traditions became more pleasant.
DeadDanny
DeadDanny
PRO
06 Mar 17:35 #
How we were deceived with these reshoots. The old Persians were returned to be removed in 10 minutes. The fight in the first episode is computer-generated squalor. And are we really going to watch the trial for several episodes? Fortunately, Matt and Fisk are good enough to pull the show off, but it's still a bit of a shame. Anyway, I was wondering how Matt, Karen, and Foggy survived Thanos' snap, who they lost, and how they worried. But they didn't say anything about it.
EmilD
EmilD
06 Mar 18:35 #
@DeadDanny: the old Persians were removed because they did not appear in the original filmed episodes, but somehow they had to be displayed, it was done crookedly, I agree. But in general, Karen will return in the season finale and will definitely be in the second season, this has already been confirmed by both the writers and producers.
DeadDanny
DeadDanny
PRO
06 Mar 20:30 #
@EmilD: That's what I'm saying, they deceived me, because it was said that the scriptwriters were dispersed, new ones were hired, the old actors were brought back and they started filming again. I thought everything they shot went to the trash. But it turned out that it wasn't. But even so, would it have been possible to at least shoot more new material and remove Foggy after an hour or two, rather than at the very beginning? This is bullying.
EmilD
EmilD
06 Mar 21:59 #
@DeadDanny: you probably misremembered the information, even though the old scriptwriters were removed, the material was left, and new episodes were already being adapted to this material, but they still managed to shoot six episodes before they were fired, which is not a small number. If they had shot everything from scratch, then the series would have been even more anticipated. But in any case, I advise you to wait for the release of all episodes in order to draw any conclusions, almost all reviewers say that it will only get better.
Zani4
Zani4
08 Mar 02:09 #
@DeadDanny: I confirm the comment above

that's not even true, the old scriptwriters shot 6 episodes before the strike.
We decided to leave this material and retake / finish the new material, approximately the beginning of the 1st episode and the last 2 episodes are new scriptwriters.

EmilD
EmilD
06 Mar 18:37 #
Well, it seems everything is starting to clear up)
zewnya
zewnya
06 Mar 20:03 #
The ending of the episode is just fucking awesome. I'm looking forward to the development of the plot.
DarkJoker
DarkJoker
06 Mar 20:21 #
It's so cool, I've been waiting in Azkaban for 13 years to see Murdoch, who's not a Daredevil, and Kingpin, who's not a villain. Thanks, Disney.
I understand that the action is just beginning, but, bitch, you have 9 episodes, not 24.
EmilD
EmilD
06 Mar 22:01 #
@DarkJoker: Murdoch has already stopped being a Daredevil in the original series, there's nothing new here. And Kingpin will return to his misdeeds again, these are literally the first episodes.

Let me remind you that in the original series, Fisk only appeared on the fifth or sixth episode.
Renardo
Renardo
06 Mar 23:12 #
Is it my opinion, or did Matt never finish the job before, but only severely injured his opponents?
Zani4
Zani4
08 Mar 02:12 #
@Renardo: I agree, I recently reviewed seasons 1 and 3.

It's like they decided to just take everything from the 18+ rating.
xenia_jn
xenia_jn
PRO
10 Mar 00:43 #
@Renardo: That's what the whole character was built on. He's a Catholic, and don't kill there was sacred to him. It wasn't until the third season that I decided to kill you-know-who, and then I didn't get to the end.
Falleny
Falleny
10 Mar 11:57 #
@Renardo: No, it doesn't seem to be, it's literally his main rule, like Batman's. Don't kill, that's half the conflict in the first three seasons, which is worth talking to Frank on the roof, about murders and a second chance
Kodval
Kodval
11 Mar 07:12 #
@Renardo: He had never seen his best friend killed before by a dude he didn't dare finish off))
PanPanich
PanPanich
PRO
06 Mar 23:19 #
Get free from The Vines is most welcome.
I'm getting a kick out of the soundtrack for the second episode.
Yes, he broke free. The Devil of Hell's Kitchen.
HighCrunch
HighCrunch
07 Mar 00:08 #
I liked the second episode a lot more than the first, although there are questions about the plot, but I can't say for sure yet. So far, I have a desire to watch the third episode, which is already good.

I liked the ending, as the main character tried not to be that hero, and to fuck off the villains, again "classic ghouls" who suddenly want to kill a blind lawyer, who knows why, what is their motivation? Evil for the sake of evil? Kill a famous blind lawyer? That's the problem with the plot.

Again, these are all small things, because for me personally, actor Charlie Cox is still carrying all my interest in continuing to watch this work.

P.S. But damn, even the main character's new girlfriend is as plain as possible, I haven't remembered her name or even her appearance in two episodes. This is generally the complete opposite of blonde Karen, who is remembered from her very first appearance.
krkic
krkic
PRO
07 Mar 01:04 #
I was sure that Fisk had thrown Vanessa off the roof at the end of the first episode)) and then there's psychotherapy)
Mr_Knight
Mr_Knight
PRO
07 Mar 07:22 #
I only liked the last couple of minutes of this episode... I don't want to suffocate, but I've never met the level of the last three seasons. Well, that's not it. As you correctly noticed above, an imitation, something disguised as a favorite and familiar.

& # 34; message& # 34; just doesn't get any thicker. Well, cops, they'RE bad, Well, you know, yes))))) these cops! Even the Blind will finish off between the case. And if before the cops were bad because they were blackmailed or bribed, now they are bad "well, PATAMUSHTA". And even if there is a reason, it is connected with The Punisher, and this is an even deeper rabbit hole. If you're interested, Google what happened when the cops put his skull on the shape. Spoiler alert: Disney was immediately given a back seat and said & # 34; and we Cho, we have nothing to do with it, and in general, there is no and we did not have such a character, what are you talking about in general, now we will resurrect his wife and she will poison him!"

And How Will Matt wash up at all? He sent two cops to the hospital bed. Heavy body injuries... they remember his face) or the next half-season in prison?

Fisk is even more relaxed. If in the third stelilsya, like a Persian mat, then here knows about the changes of his wife and such "Well, okay, baby, fuck with whom you want, just do not leave plizki((((". I'm sick of it. A real kingpin would have let her off the roof that day. Partner with a lover. He's an unmanageable, spiteful psychopath, all his talk about "re-education" is just a facade for the masses. Therapy, really?... Yes, the murder of his wife attracted a lot of attention to him, but 1) he often does on emotions, see the outburst that he killed a bunch of his own between the cases, 2) he was a chatterbox, he would again spit from three boxes that jumped Daredevil/Spider/Popeye from around the corner and threw poor Vanessa off the roof. Oh, how bad it turned out!

Fucked up. Sorry, fuck. If in the next series there is an attempt on Fisk and his ear is shot or the topic of illegal immigrants will rise (White Tiger oh, how not without reason here), then the full finish. Sorry, foggy, we screwed up, bro... I'll pause and read comics.
Nog
Nog
07 Mar 16:20 #
@Mr_Knight: these cops, if they're even alive, will have to come up with a very convincing story about how a blind lawyer beat them both up) and Matt will certainly be able to convince the court of his helplessness in this regard, so I don't think he's in any danger from the law.
But outside the law, such disclosure, of course, can be very dangerous for him.
Mr_Knight
Mr_Knight
PRO
07 Mar 21:47 #
@Nog: That's how both episodes tell us that everyone there is their own and the cops are behind the guys.
The judge did not even listen to Matt's arguments and immediately closed the hearing regarding the Tiger.
It doesn't matter what's in there "according to the law ", according to the logic of the series itself, it will be buried.
id63505705
id63505705
09 Mar 01:07 #
@Mr_Knight: Duke Fix became soft-hearted after Maya tried to heal his childhood trauma in the finale of Echo. The changes in Lorno's character are justified.
Mr_Knight
Mr_Knight
PRO
09 Mar 22:14 #
@id63505705: And before Echo, what was the reason? In Hawkeye or the end of season 3, for example.
I don't see him as an unscrupulous bastard at close range, I don't see a BULLY, a threat worse than villains with superpowers. I see a lost boy, Mr. Puffy Cheeks. The fact that the actor has lost weight makes everything even worse (but there are no complaints, was he ill?)
dezmond774
dezmond774
07 Mar 09:11 #
Movie: All of humanity mourns the sacrifice of Tony Stark, the greatest avenger who saved the universe.
Serialchik: Umm, fart, I don't like people in masks, take me as mayor))

Okay, it's well shot, but only as an independent work. But Marvel is building a general plot and it becomes unclear why the commissioner at the cemetery does not publicly ridicule Fisk with phrases like "Where were you and your gangsters when Loki brought the aliens to New York?";
PanPanich
PanPanich
PRO
07 Mar 09:47 #
@dezmond774: You can recall the spider's solofilm, how he is accused of murder, in these two episodes there is a mention of him. Most likely, this served as a trigger for Haight towards vigilante.
Sich666
Sich666
PRO
07 Mar 13:45 #
@dezmond774: And it's good that they don't mention it in particular. Don't bring this here.
blackyfoxy
blackyfoxy
07 Mar 13:03 #
What series should I watch before that, besides punisher and daredevil, maybe ECHO? Or something else?
KudasaiYo
KudasaiYo
PRO
07 Mar 13:07 #
@blackyfoxy: these two are enough, but you can watch Jessica Jones, just because the series is good.
gkalian
gkalian
07 Mar 14:14 #
@blackyfoxy: Theoretically, you can watch Hawkeye and Echo simply by explaining what happened to Fisk and where he disappeared to. And if Hawkeye, in general, is a nice, good series, but Echo is incredibly dull, as for me, so because of the Fix, you can literally search for retellings on YouTube or just watch the final scene with it.

This is, of course, in addition to KudasaiYo's comment.
Mr_Knight
Mr_Knight
PRO
07 Mar 21:48 #
@blackyfoxy: In addition to Echo and Hawkeye, the Defenders are at their own risk.
blackyfoxy
blackyfoxy
09 Mar 13:19 #
@Mr_Knight: thank you, I watched all the series, until the conditional vandyvizhn, then no more)
Thiarnan
Thiarnan
07 Mar 14:35 #
Fisk got bored back in the original series. Are there really no other antagonists?
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
10 Mar 23:25 #
@Thiarnan: in the original, it was the best character) it's more of a question of why it had to be changed beyond recognition, so that almost everything that was normally written in it would disappear.
Sayonara_Nirvana
Sayonara_Nirvana
07 Mar 15:26 #
Fisk has found himself a new Wesley
Zani4
Zani4
08 Mar 02:19 #
It's funny how it's very clear that the 1st episode was filmed by some people, and the 2nd by others.

although at the same time, the 1st episode is from those old people from Netflix (the show runner of the Punisher series)
, maybe it's a matter of a new approach to filming and shots + crappy cgi

but we need to look further, and especially I think season 2 will show everything. Because the new (old) show runner will do the whole 2nd season.


let's see how this season ends, of course, but for the 2nd series so far, this is still the best series on Disney+ on Marvel, no matter how funny it may sound)
EmilD
EmilD
08 Mar 21:30 #
@Zani4: Well, there are new scenes in the second episode, with Fisk and Vanessa, for example.
yumtee
yumtee
08 Mar 05:37 #
Kingpin being a bald Trump incarnate is fucking spot on, especially with the whole retarded disregard for the system and "getting shit done" with his own very typical MAGAt hillbilly pocket Daniel :D
P.S. Daniel also kinda looks looks like DJ Couch fucker xD
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
10 Mar 23:27 #
@yumtee: Trump has walking charisma, this is still some kind of misunderstanding. Except that the voice has become a little more confident compared to the previous part. Well, at least the negotiations were successful, I scared the PPC guy.
Skyscore
Skyscore
11 Mar 04:43 #
@yumtee: as the three evil harpies said in the latest episodes of the white Lotus, are we really going to talk about Trump again?
But yes, it's almost a frontal parallel. It's curious how JD is mirrored, but even Gandolfini Jr. is scarier, who is apparently a neo-fascist like Scott Yarvin or Huilon Huyaska on social media, a stupid but cunning and dangerous gray cardinal, in short
SkotskiyVrach
SkotskiyVrach
08 Mar 15:10 #
It's very cool and atmospheric. The very oppressive gloom of what is happening
Lighthouse012
Lighthouse012
09 Mar 00:19 #
So far, I'm cautiously optimistic. This computer fight at the beginning of the first episode was not pleasant, netflix coped better. So far, I like Fisk's line with his mayoral career. As if there could potentially be a machiavellian intent behind this anyway. I also liked Matt's plot. Although, of course, it's a pity that the old heroes were lost sooo quickly. What are the big questions about this action game. Where Netflix shot smoothly and spectacularly, Disney has 5 one-second clips and a twitching camera. A sign of either poor talents or a small budget. Both are bad signs. But it's definitely much more watchable than most of the TV shows from Disney. Even the legal profession is much more interesting to watch than in halkess. A large number of episodes are also annoying. 18 pieces for one season. Will it be possible to stuff them tightly with events? Although on the other hand, the season with a break is coming out, 9 +9, so maybe this is a disguised first and second season. I want to believe that everything will work out, but Disney has removed so much garbage that it's worth being born again (Got it?) It's going to be hard. There is no trust in the mouse house
Meloman_Nastena
Meloman_Nastena
09 Mar 01:18 #
@Lighthouse012: Fisk seems to be quite sincere, but he already realized in episode 2 that the old methods are more difficult))
Lighthouse012
Lighthouse012
09 Mar 01:24 #
@Meloman_Nastena: no matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest)
shuey
shuey
10 Mar 17:37 #
@Lighthouse012: so this is 2 seasons of 9 episodes officially, with a break
shuey
shuey
10 Mar 17:04 #
The end of the fire. Matt finally took off his permanent mask-glasses. Matt without glasses in a fight is an indicator of the extent of what is happening. The spring broke, and the consequences will be great. An incredibly interesting development of gg, now Charlie will give out everything that has accumulated over these 7 years, he is the same fanatic as in the old series, priceless💖
zzz_203
zzz_203
PRO
10 Mar 20:42 #
Maybe Fisk was right and Matt liked what he did to the Marked One... Therefore, such are the consequences of a fight...🫣
shuey
shuey
10 Mar 23:46 #
@zzz_203: It seems to me that Matt is losing his footing-neither Karen, nor Foggy, nor Maggie, nor Lantom's father. How the hooks come off. They really have a lot in common with Fisk, and it's not for nothing that they constantly draw parallels. Fisk understood this)and again he begins to play his games, temptations from the evil one. But I don't think I liked it. As always, the main thing here is the choice that everyone makes.
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
11 Mar 01:27 #
@shuey: Well, if that's the case, it's hardly shown, except that it could be summed up in the way he tried to talk to Karen. I really hope for meaningful games from Fisk, because so far he looks like a kid in a new sandbox.
shuey
shuey
11 Mar 13:42 #
@PlanePassenger: I think it's shown vividly, the last scene is exemplary - Matt's lid blew off. He was too low on speed all these 2 episodes, he shut up DD for a year, " I'm not him anymore" - yeah yeah, sure, Karen's look at these words is expressive) . And now the next series will be this new search for support, ideally in oneself. A psychologist will help) , but is unlikely to be a key link.
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
11 Mar 15:28 #
@shuey: Well, he got his head blown off for a reason on the street, he didn't get angry at his girlfriend, he didn't attack the judge, it happened in circumstances of life-threatening circumstances, as for me, literally everything was on muscle memory. He behaves quite calmly throughout the series.
shuey
shuey
11 Mar 15:54 #
@PlanePassenger: I don't see any calmness here, rather a sense of resignation or humility. Although humility is not his strong suit) A rational, reasonable approach is yes. That super-hard beating at the end doesn't sound like rationality. Muscle memory, "wildlife " - this is what he tries to keep in check. This outburst set him up badly
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
11 Mar 17:45 #
@shuey: I agree, humility for the time being. Most of all, he was framed by the R rating))
shuey
shuey
11 Mar 18:36 #
@PlanePassenger: 😁🤞
veer
veer
11 Mar 01:15 #
I liked the second episode more. Especially a realistic fight, finally!
I'm really looking forward to the Punisher, I hope he will be the same.
Skyscore
Skyscore
11 Mar 04:47 #
Besides Gandolfini's son, we also have a psychoanalyst's couch. Coincidences?
Нелюдь
Нелюдь
PRO
11 Mar 10:38 #
@Skyscore: I also thought there was someone there who was a fan of the Sopranos. So even in the comics, Heather Glenn is not a psychologist, but just a lady from a rich family and eventually becomes CEO of the Glenn Industries family office.
Skyscore
Skyscore
13 Mar 17:32 #
@Non-human: Yes and "wiretaps& # 34; too! PI from Born again also played the reporter in the fifth Blue (The Bulletin newspaper in the original is also clearly written off from the Baltimore sun on the approach).
Никоша-дракоша
Никоша-дракоша
PRO
11 Mar 18:37 #
A short retelling of the two episodes.
Fisk: "I'm not a villain anymore";
Matt: "I'm not a hero anymore. But if you become a villain, I will destroy you."
Fisk: "I'm not a villain, but I'll destroy you if you become a hero."
Matt - ahaha, fuck it, I'm still a hero.
Fisk - ahaha, fuck you, I'm still a villain.
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
11 Mar 21:21 #
@Nikosha-drakosha: What did Fisk do that was particularly villainous?
Никоша-дракоша
Никоша-дракоша
PRO
12 Mar 18:23 #
@PlanePassenger: blackmailing a police commissioner is not a model of integrity)
PlanePassenger
PlanePassenger
12 Mar 20:40 #
@Nikosha-drakosha: so this is blackmail in return for blackmail)) And even if it's dishonest, it's not equal to villainy.
Ozu_sensei
Ozu_sensei
11 Mar 23:37 #
In the first episode, it was really bad with the staging of the fights and extremely poor special effects, but the plot is normal. There were no special effects in the second one to evaluate the improvements, but the fight in the final was well staged. The plot is also good. Let's see what happens in the third episode.
lzhezhaba
lzhezhaba
12 Mar 09:52 #
Scene at the end in the best traditions)
Mast_natan
Mast_natan
14 Mar 00:07 #
I was pleased with the music. Throughout the series, I've been catching associations with Javadi's Light of Seven. That's just like it! And the choir in the church footage, and other moments)
kate_archer
kate_archer
Yesterday, 10:10 #
@Mast_natan: Light of the Seven + the title theme of the Avengers + funeral march. I hear all three at the same time all the time.
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