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s01e08 — Isle of Joy
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| Release Date: | 08.04.2025 15:00 |
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At his inaugural Black and White Ball, Mayor Fisk tightens his grip on New York City.
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Discussion: Season 1, Episode 8 Join the Discussion
200The beginning of the episode, where Matt is just going to work, and Heather starts telling him about "I ACTUALLY KILLED A MAN" — what is this anyway? And the finale, where a Marked Man who can kill with just a tooth takes aim at Fisk for three hours and still hits Matt...
It's a pity that a good series suffers from such things. Unfortunately, the most interesting episode for me out of all the ones that came out in the end turned out to be a series about a robbery. Everyone else is badly cut and in a hurry to get somewhere. Hopefully, the second season will fix the situation.
Once again, it is clear that this particular series appeared as a result of reshoots.
Lol, actually the whole episode was shot completely from scratch by the new showrunner.
If you want to stifle, then it's better to stifle the case.
it appeared not as a result of reshoots, but as a result of a creative reboot. These are different things.
Reshoots are when the footage is re-shot. Your cap.
And this episode was not filmed again, there were only six episodes in the original. 1, 8, and 9 are episodes shot from scratch in 2024. Written by a new screenwriter.
And yes, the first episode was also completely shot from scratch, there is no material from old filming in it. If they were, then the credits would have the names of the original screenwriters, like in the second episode.
If you want to stifle, then it's better to stifle the case.
I know perfectly well which scenes and episodes are new here, this does not change the essence of my first comment. The first, the eighth and, now I'm sure, the ninth are very different in style from the lion's share of the season. They are the ones who are still ragged, with silly dialogues and terrible graphics, while the series shot by the old team, although they forget about the Netflix legacy, had some kind of vision.
If this is the contribution of the new team, then I have big doubts about the second season.
@Fascinating:
This is when the finished season is reworked, adding new scenes or, in this case, new episodes to it.
But there was no finished season, lol, 6 episodes out of 18 were shot, after that they paused, the old scriptwriters were fired, and a new scriptwriter made a finished season from the footage.
I'll call it what they called it in the official announcements, namely that creative reboot)
Yeah, so write that the first episode is half-filmed, yes.
This is despite the fact that of all the old series, the only one that. They hardly touched it at all, it's a series about a bank robbery. The remaining 20 to 50% were diluted with the new team's material, so there's almost no new vision left from the old team, because the series was about something else entirely. But keep convincing yourself)
Indeed, these are not reshoots at all. The fourth Captain America also suffered not from reshoots, but from a creative reboot. I recorded this wonderful newspeak from the Disney studio))
>This is despite the fact that of all the old series, the only series that. They hardly touched it at all, it's a series about a bank robbery.
That's why I'm saying that she turned out to be the best of the season. Everyone else suffered from the scenes rewritten on the knee, the obviously limited budget and time (we recall the wonderful CGI) for the new version of the series and attempts to combine the incompatible. So in the end, we have Frankenstein's monster gnawing at itself from the inside out.
So if we're coming up with new titles for reshoots, I'd suggest a studio mess rather than a creative reboot, but to each his own.
@Fascinating:
clearly)))
The only connection is that the type of robbers rob to repay the debt to Fisk and Co. But this is so far-fetched, take it away - nothing will change. If Matt had found the connection between the robbers and Fisk through this robbery and the whole chain, OK, there would have been no filler. And so - a filler, also with an advertisement for Miss Marvel, cake.
The beginning of the review, where the critic starts talking about the reshoots, "the production is ragged, the dialogues are forced" clearly indicates the bias of the review regarding the people involved in the project - what is it anyway? And the ending, where the critic, who is able to show by his example and style how the series should have been built, simply merges into the stream of consciousness ...
It's a pity that a good critic suffers from such things. I hope the critic won't watch the second season.
And you can do whatever you want with your taste, refined or not. The opinion of other people does not encroach on him.
but so far we've done the same thing: we've described here what each of us didn't like.
It took 20 minutes for Matt to justify this phrase by catching a bullet instead of Fisk. The scene is, of course, delusional. I aimed for half an hour and after one shot I let everyone go, mdaaaaaa.
They even managed to shit themselves with a tooth, well, it's almost a canon.
And seriously, I don't understand Matt's philosophy either. Not all people deserve to be saved, and sentences of 10 life sentences instead of the death penalty are meaningless, it was obvious that a Marked Man would escape from prison and kill a lot more people.
I hope the Punisher will come and show you how to do the job.
After that, if anyone finds out that Matt is Daredevil, they won't have anything against him, because he actually even defended his enemy, who is clearly against him and all the masked people."
I'm begging you - A Daredevil shoe change! Now he's protecting bandits instead of civilians!",
"First he disappeared from the streets for a year, no one defended us, and now it turns out that he is a lawyer! Lawyers only protect bandits with money! And this one even went under the bullet for Fisk! FUUU"
and so on and so on. we know this "public opinion")))
You remain a hero even without a superhero costume and the same mask. And it's always been that way. It was as if there was always a life at stake, and death was always nearby. * I don't think Matt is dead, just thinking). ✌️
I'm glad that the old material is over and now I can evaluate the work of the new showrunner, and I'm happy so far. It's a pity we didn't spend enough time on Dex's escape from prison, but I'm glad this asshole is back. It's immediately clear that the series was made by a new team, it has a lot of references to the original series, a cool game with light, and in general the series is well shot. And Josie's cameo again! By the way, she should also appear in the second season.
And finally, the puzzle began to add up, and all the crumbs that were scattered throughout the season made sense. Heather cheers up a bit, but I'm really curious about where her storyline will lead. There are suggestions that she might go crazy and become a new Muse, huh, that would be sudden.
Why would Matt save Fisk? In my opinion, this fits perfectly into his worldview. I'm more interested in how Fisk will react to this.
It's finally been confirmed that Vanessa is behind Foggy's murder (just like in the comics). It remains to understand why she needs it.
By the way, they said about Foggy's funeral, does that mean he's definitely dead? After all, his body should have been in the coffin, and if it hadn't been there, would Matt have surely felt it? Or will they just give up on it?
The only negative of the series is that it is the penultimate one. After all, 9 episodes is very, very little. I hope Marvel overcomes this disease...
yet, yes, he has only been killing people for decades, and now he has taken over the power and elite in the city in order to enrich himself at the expense of the state, adding to this a personal army from a separate police squad.
Matt protected Fisk because it's Matt, and he doesn't let even such scum die.
And I also liked the stain on Fisk's suit, it somehow resembles the stain in the picture, and it seems to refer to their contract from the finale of season 3. But it's already Matt's blood.
They are trying to show us Matt's dualism, the inner struggle that he is still torn in half between the fact that he wanted to kill the Marked Man and justifying it by saying that he killed Foggy, and at the same time there is a Catholic in him who grew up on the principle of justice, which is why he became a lawyer. But he sees that not everyone can be saved, and not everyone is worthy of protection (that's why he tried on the Daredevil costume as a whole). Not to become a murderer, but to become a shield and a sword in defense of justice. And yes, Fisk deserves to die, but he should repent for his sins in Matt's eyes, not become a lamb at the slaughter, a folk hero who died in the service of the city. Matt's goal is to open everyone's eyes, because only he, a blind man, sees what Fisk really is.
That's what was already done in the Netflix series, and they dropped it, didn't touch on it in the series, but explained it off-screen in an interview, saying, "Well, when the Click happened, there was a leapfrog in the prisons/legal system, there were a lot of prisoners, few guards, few judges, lawyers, and like Fisk was able to get out by taking advantage of this. At the same time, Matt, too, according to them, was not affected by the Click, but it turns out... Inactive? Nonsense, in short.
And, most importantly, everything I described above is presented TOO head-on - and here is this phrase of the Marked "a good man protects even his worst enemy", and Matt's dialogue with Kristen, etc. This whole episode is trying to SHOW us what is happening with Matt, how and why. But in fact, he TELLS us all this, in the most primitive stupid dialogues, as if written so that a ten-year-old would understand and at the end poke his finger at the screen "ooooh, OOOOH! Have you seen it? Have you seen it? he said it at the beginning, and at the end Matt did just that, like a deep ooooh!"
Show me, don't tell me. Hollywood has forgotten the main key principle of cinematography. Because cinema was created to show, not to tell, like books or radio.
I don't think Disney is very different in this regard, and it seems to have a similar audience retention technique.
And it doesn't work out very well. When Fisk says to Vanessa, "I am better than I was.".. better, we see the same D'Onofrio, who plays the same Persian - but in contrast, it's impossible not to notice how much worse he is being forced to act out! How emotions are simplified, how they are forced to make unnatural antics, how he clumsily dances with laughter at a social event - all this fits very badly into the character of the hero. And those who haven't seen the original will just be left wondering why we all respect Fisk so much as a powerful antihero.
Vannessa's murder of her boyfriend is pure anti-catharsis, hurriedly and without tension. The potential is absolute.
The only thing I liked about the episode was that Josie said more words than in all the previous three seasons. It's kind of human. But even here you realize that this is just a function to bring Bullseye.
Hence the dialogs of the format:
- I'm glad you went THERE and DID it (what was shown on the screen)
- Yes, I went THERE, found IT there, and brought it TO YOU (the name of the character that the viewer can see on the screen himself)
So there's a general reference to Echo, who tortured him to childhood trauma with her ancestral powers, cake. It's all about that, and from the beginning, I was broken, I needed time. People who haven't watched a slop called Echo will wonder "hey, where's that Fisk from Netflix, what happened to him? Why is he acting like a whiny bitch?"
Well, Vanessa's constant pushing for his role (even though it's from the comics, it doesn't get any better): While you were gone, I made the business better, cleaner and more profitable (yes, I know).
And these gang leaders too: while you were in charge, we lived in chocolate.
Kringe.
That's what he kind of means by "I was defeated" (and here's a reference to Hawk when they laugh at you in a cafe. I heard your protégé shot you in the head).
And if you think I'm joking... if ONLY.
They had to produce a double ending to maintain momentum. I want to look further, but only to understand - will there be anything good at all in the end, or figs there?
It all boils down to one thing - the media has made a name, trying to give hope and spark interest, assuring that the new team has reviewed, listened, and that even though half of the show is old, they are... Have you tried to do something better? If it's better, it's scary to imagine what it was originally. 1 episode before the finale, the maximum passable comes out, if you take it by the standards of Drisney (although not complete shit, in a universe where Echo and She Hulk exist).
But it's not even a kilometer away from Netflix. And it is unlikely that the 1 remaining episode will change.
You can continue the copy "it will open in season 2, they will have complete freedom there, but the damage has already been done, the public's interest in the series is zero - even the first episode did not make it into the top 10 original streaming shows by metrics, and this is a shame for a series with such a fanbase.
It was supposed to be an exemplary series to regain trust. But first, Disney ruined the trust for 7 years, and no one watches the show, because they don't believe Disney, but after realizing their mistakes, they turned around half a bit, making a blunder.
In general, I wouldn't be surprised if season 2 is suddenly canceled after the finale, even though it's already supposedly being filmed, and the premiere is supposedly almost a year later. They'll look at the ratings and give up, saying "for what?"
A copy does not last forever. This season is proof of that - no matter how much you post about working on mistakes, the result on the screen will tell everything for itself. And he doesn't say anything nice.
But it's not even close to Netflix for a kilometer.
I probably missed the moment when Netflix's dd was recorded into masterpieces. Which of the really cool seasons was only the third. In the first two, there were enough fillers, and all sorts of crowds of ninjas were running
Currently ranked 144th in the top 250 among all shows on IMDB.
And he was like, "I missed, okay, I won't shoot anymore, I'll go home."
What nonsense
I really liked the series. I even wish it had been a little longer. We could have done episodes for at least an hour. I want more Daredevil!
Yes, the Russian community has taken the new series very harshly, I periodically read what English-speaking viewers write, although there is enough criticism, but somehow they are more enthusiastic.
It feels like Disney has launched a wave of bots. Well, either that or they're really the last remaining Disney fans who are grabbing everything. Because, well, no one in their right mind would put ratings at or above the Netflix show, well, objectively not at all. And the show's ratings are at the bottom, in the Nielson rating, even the FIRST episode was not included in the top 10 original streaming. This is nonsense. Even Agatha appeared there! And the Acolyte! And then Daredevil, with SUCH a fanbase, waited for 7 years for the show - but the fans lost their patience, they didn't believe it and stupidly didn't even watch the first episode out of interest. I even think they caught a spoiler about Foggy's death and said fuck you Disney, I'm not going to watch this shit.;
I'm not defending the series, there are many points to find fault with, but it's very funny to read comments like "what did they do, it was such a MASTERPIECE from Netflix", literally here and on vk there is only more negativity for one episode than in foreign media for the entire season, although maybe you're just better versed in specialized media and I'm just not looking there.
It's just that Netflix dropped 13 episodes at once and people forgot about how the plot was moving there, if you read the comments here, it seems that he was in a suit for all 39 episodes and did nothing but fight with someone.
But as for the original, I'll say that the fighting game is two heads higher, in the same third season there were many memorable scenes, a one-shot scene of Matt escaping from prison, a fight between DD and Marked in the newspaper office from 6 episodes, a fight between Marked and DD in the church, although the final battle of Fisk, DD and Marked was So-so.
Some people may misunderstand or forget what was so good about the original show. It was the inner conflict within Matt and his constant battle against his impulses, and that's not here AT ALL.
Good thing we have Dr. Glenn to make the occasional offhand comments about Daredevil's trauma, lol...
I would like to remind you that there is 1 episode left, and the plot is flushed down the toilet with the Muse.
It's a pity that apparently the scenes with the Punisher and Karen are only in the last episode.
I should have used my teeth to shoot, not a rifle, it would have been more effective.
That's how crazy it all looked.
Never go full retard as the classic said
Well, not to mention, of course, that the whole series is as predictable as possible, that the scene in the basement with Vanessa, that the ball and the indexer.
The only thing that was beautifully shot were the beautiful plans. But that's not enough.
I have a simpler explanation, Deadpool met with him and told him that they were all in the comic and he had a story armor.
But in general, I always welcome the return of a complete plot, rather than scattered mini-plots throughout the season.
I was amused by a would-be journalist with a flash, shutter sound and a journalist's ID card where filming is prohibited
And I still don't understand why the Swordsman is here, as if he's looking in so that he won't be forgotten, if there were twice as many episodes as originally mentioned somewhere, it would be normal, but he's generally superfluous here, even though I like this Persian
I'm not going to ask why Dexter shot Fisk.
I'm not going to ask why Matt put himself in front of Fisk.
I ask, why was Dexter watching everyone running away in slow mo?) . Did he have only 1 bullet? He could have thrown anything at Fisk, Camon. Although why am I doing this, I should have gotten used to it a long time ago, that in comics characters get buffs and nerfs just because it's necessary for the plot
(and by the way, why was he aiming for the heart instead of the head? the fisk is high, there is less chance that someone will close. or is it because Fisk can tank bullets in the head?))
But once again, despite such questions, the series is still normal. Yes, the season is far from perfect. But it's quite watchable and fascinating. Thanks for that, and I'm looking forward to episode 9!
so he was blown away by what the scriptwriters wrote – Matt, risking his life, throws his chest over Fisk, lies and dies)
And somehow the characters turned out to be more human, not so clumsy.
But it probably won't be possible to perceive the season as something complete and independent. Some of the episodes were very pleased, some of the shit is gross, some of the norms. And now all these pieces don't fit together at all. A set of clips and moments.
So xs, let's hope for the best next season. At least it's nice to see your favorite DD, but it feels good without CGI, or at least let's do it less)
I feel like I'm going to run away to review the Netflix seasons.
As I have said before, if they HAD to make a Daredevil TV series that bad they should have just rebooted the world and I don't know, maybe spared the humiliation ritual for decent actors...
Murdoch, with his flair for lies, would have been more suited to the position of prosecutor, for a lawyer it is rather a minus))
P.S. How realistic is it to spit out a tooth with such force?
A lot of illogical things
I hope that the second season will be better.
And if Fisk can't be used in movies, then let them merge it, because I'm tired of watching them pull the same thing.
Plus, as I understand it, the law on vigilantes in the films of the KVM will not be reflected in any way.
otherwise, the "WTF suggests itself again?!".
the girl GG first wants to meet superheroes (well, at least with Frank and *suddenly* DD, yes), and then such a person puts a defender on a par with a striker. well, both wear masks, they are exactly the same. but Fisk who wrote to everyone about the merits of his squad everything else well, just does it right right?
and in general, what the fuck does he need such a girl?
Why did Vanessa hire Pointdexter to kill Foggy?
It's possible to fantasize that Foggy has unearthed something on her, yes.
But then the second question is:
why is Pointdexter trying to kill Fisk? Revenge for the fact that he transferred him to the general regime unit? (by the way, I don't understand why the other prisoners attacked him, what did he do to them, the same criminal, was not a policeman. or was he?!)
It's unlikely he was aiming at Vanessa - what's the motive? Why didn't you get him out of prison?! - Nonsense
The third question is: how did the Pointdexter, which never misses, not hit the Big Guy's huge head?! Why was he aiming for the heart instead of the head?
Finally, why does Matt put himself under the bullet that flies at Fisk?
An attempt to convince Fisk that the vigilantes are good? So he'll stay with his own anyway. It's an incomprehensible thing to do.
The scene where Fisk speaks softly while dancing, and only Matt hears him is cool!)
One question was clarified)
There are too many questions and events that happened behind the scenes.
Somehow I missed it.
What is the series about?
What kind of characters?
What is the main idea?
I've already forgotten what the season was about, because it was about nothing, some bits for the sake of nothing.
Dialogues for the sake of dialogues, guns for the sake of guns
Emptiness
An absolutely sterile job and an attempt by Disney to cash in on fans of what they once loved in a futile attempt to save the sinking universe of the MCU and use Daredevil again in the future.
Maybe Frank will be in the finale (it was in the trailer), which will blow up the cabins and partially neutralize the weak level of the series, but that's all you can hope for.
We're babycsitting chaos.
It's better to review the Punisher 1236 times than waste time on this shit.
It's strange with Poindexter - with the help of a tooth, he managed to get out of a guarded prison, did not hide when he disguised himself as a guard. And then the Marked Man, who's a good shot, doesn't aim at Fisk's head, and takes one shot, even though he has plenty of chances to take a couple more.
And although I rather like the series, some such moments cause irritation.
No one even asked Matt for an invitation. He just passed through. The service is going great.
I didn't understand the movie with a bullet jump for Fisk at all 🫣🙈🙈 what kind of Spanish stupidity😳
My disillusionment with Heather is growing exponentially, but even when she started her book about egos, masks, and the dark side, I realized that she would have this conflict with Matt. Bring back my gentle and fearless Karen, I beg you:
Or he could just not catch the bullet and get high from the result.
And in the end, we got some kind of pathetic rescue of Fisk from Matt, devoid of drama and meaning. It's that boring relationship between Vanessa and Fisk again, it's all just been leaked.
Why is he even coming from the basement? Before that, the kitchen was on the same floor, and the paparazzi were dragged there.
It feels like these 9 episodes were used as a canvas on which broad strokes were applied to the maximum - there seemed to be a maniac, and there was a procedural, there was a machete, a touch of romance, a lot of New York.. either the creators don't know what / who to grab in this vast universe and constantly add characters, or they check the ground and look at the viewer's reaction to different branches of the plot ...
I liked how at the end they showed all the characters frame-by-frame, gathered them all in a basket, so to speak)) because a lot of people and destinies were really shown.
Vanessa's expression in the final shots is interesting - she looks at the prisoners with horror, Fisk smiles like a 5-year-old child who has finally assembled a lego house.. I didn't see any love in her eyes, rather surprise that Fisk knew about all her affairs, but at the same time she clearly didn't want to give up power.
Buck is interesting - he seems to be a dark horse and has the potential to develop a hero, but for some reason he reminds me of a fed. Although I understand that this probably doesn't happen in Marvel)) But it would be nice if there was still a dedicated Cossack in the ranks of Fisk)
I hope Frank will be involved in the sequel, otherwise it will be very sad if he is simply taken out on a solo album, he and Matt interact too colorfully, just the eye is happy at these jerks))
Vanessa cheated on herself and killed her lover herself. Actually, Poindexter was supposed to kill this scum back then, but Matt didn't let him do it, so she killed Foggy! How many mistakes has Matt made already?
And the psychologist is very annoying, Matt came as she wanted, what does she need? Any fool would have seen that Daredevil saved her, but she says he didn't mean it blablabla, he just wanted to show off, you stupid fool, he saved your life! What the fuck does Matt care about this relationship? I don't see any chemistry between them!
And this fucking squad was completely fucked up, it was clear that they would do just that!
And Bibi is far from his uncle, who was not afraid of anyone or anything!
To the left of the screen and to the right of the Dex, "Exit" is the exit
DOC on the Dex form – Dept. ispr. the order. The same thing is written later on the bus when Dex escaped.
NewStudio: Just tell me the original: Please just tell me
NS: Thank you for coming, the original: ... what did you say
NS: Fight Club, original: ... in North Jersey
NS: all documents are within their competence, the original: the appeal documents are their competence as well as the
NS client's: press conference, original: morning...
NS: "...dogs in Brooklyn" "And what will happen?", original: "...Brooklyn dogs in jackets" "Was this planned?"
Lawsuits filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)
Newspaper New York Examiner: Stopped and dismantled (fisked). Muse was about to kill again
NS: I'm doing what I can, the original: ..., sir.
Kirsen cursed after the "God".
There was a sticker on the door of the bar saying "Yes!"
NS: Do you know the safety rules?, original: ...safety, counselor?
NS: Protect your enemies, original: ... your worst enemies
NS: on his snow-white armor, the original: on the back of this freak
NS: To sort things out with the mayor?, original: ... at his own party?
It's time for Matt to leave Dr. Glenn – only someone like Fisk can put Muse and SG on the same shelf.😅
Wow– Fisk confessed to Vanessa…
And what about the "crimes of the avengers"? Like stopping criminals by the avengers? For how many evil Muse-type masqueraders were there?
Yes, the client didn't look like an innocent person who was worried about himself. But as for the teachers, maybe your grandmother, mother, and girlfriend were bad to you and decided to take revenge like that? 😆
I thought the bar looked like it wasn't working. But in such cases, how does it contain it? Is the territory really her property and there is no need to pay rent? Or did you find a good job that helps you pay the bills?
Why would the general population be fatal to Dex?
Well, Matt went to the bar so often that maybe he just remembered where and how many steps away? As it is, I've been wondering from the very beginning if Foggy's case was related. Moreover, it was about Red Hook.
Does Dex always have his hands tied? Is that why others might kill him?
Are there so many guards openly armed with machine guns at such events in real life?
And who is Arthur? Have we seen him?
"he could have warned" - but what about your morning conversation? 🤣
Is it just me, or does the old lady among the invited audience look like Agatha Harkness? 😅
And why the surgeon? Although Dex had never cared about the occasional unnecessary sacrifice.… But well done, even though he's a freak, I hope somehow the society finds out that 2 days before his escape, he was transferred on Fisk's orders. However, I wonder if Matt hadn't been banging his head on the table, would he have done something to get to the infirmary himself?
That's why you need to trust not only electronics, but also look at your face and make it match the photo on the electronics.
Well done Fisk – Matt isn't the only one who knows the secret
What kind of fool shoots with noise and flash? 😂
I don't think the commissioner will live long, since he didn't return the business card when he saw that he was noticed. It was tedious to tell her to write from her hidden email to his. Or say, "Tomorrow morning I will create an email bibiurih12345 on Gmail – write the address there.
Fisk (or Vanessa?) He wanted to tease Matt with his first dance, considering the circumstances under which he was arrested. But the fact that Dex is still coming is even funnier, considering that he was the first to interrupt Fisk's dance (apart from Nadim's video, which Matt sent, right?)
And why did Matt save Fisk? He clearly did not stand in front of the doctor and did not push her aside. Because Fisk is really innocent? Or does he want to handle it himself? Why not push Fisk away?
I thought the shooting would be left for the next episode, but it ended up being more intense... 😶
P. S. "Not here and not now" - because Matt is nearby?
PS 2: "the sins of the past are buried" 😆