s07e03 — Hotel Reverie
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| Duration: | 77 min. |
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315Tikhonov91 has everything right. There's something wrong with the layout on maishous.
"Hotel Reverie" should be 3rd,and "Eulogy" 5th
Monitoring what is happening through screens and metrics is famously involved in the game "not for broadcast")
Chalamet is busy, and Donald Glover has family matters to attend to. (Is this how employment in Mr. & Mrs. Smith was designated? My respects))
That's what happens when the Raines (both) turn down the role. 😄
Cool episode.
Suddenly, the irl is on the programmers' coffee and everything is holding up)
As if she herself had fallen in love with the main character!!
As a child, I also dreamed of getting into a TV series or a movie and becoming part of the plot haha, it's great that now such ideas can be seen.
I especially liked that the series has both a black and white version and a color version.
In short, it was done in an original and interesting way. Cool approach!
How sad
Emma Corin is simply created for the old Hollywood type of characters, they look so organically in this entourage! and their chemistry with Issa is just magical. delight
I was amazed at the inadequacy of the whole series , a black homosexual girl in 1940 , a TV star who agreed to play for payment for 90 minutes at the risk of being killed or permanently locked in black and white VR , then fell in love with a black and white cardboard character , tea spilled on the system
Also, at the end, there is a call on the phone to the character from the monitor.
It would be clear that fiction , but there must be at least some logic , right ?
Cardboard, that's saying it out loud, in the end she stops being a lady in distress and makes a decision that is not typical of her character, not to mention what happened during the breakdown. The call fits perfectly into the capabilities of the demonstrated technology.
Spilled tea, I agree, there's nothing to cover it with, you could have come up with a less idiotic way to keep gg in the movie.
And again , we are talking about a high-level actress , who is offered in the basement to digitize her brain with an unknown device in the complete absence of her team , representatives , agents , etc.
As I say , all these nuances can be allowed individually , but all together , 70 minutes of screen time is perplexing .
In the first series, this is straight realism, what you can imagine, 2 and 3 are technologically unprocessed, so you don't feel any fear of technology.
I thought she would get completely stuck, or Clara would return to her body instead, saying that phrase, but this ending is also not bad, it reminded me of a moment (even a few) from Rick and Morty, when Morty lived the same life and returned.
The only thing to note is Issa Ray's performance, her character seems to be a talented actress, but she somehow played it really badly.
We obviously won't live to see a time when they can control the transience of time during sleep in order to turn out such plots as in this series.
But this is not a Black Mirror again. I'm sad that the creators are increasingly moving away from the original concept of the series — to show the frightening sides of technological progress. Gone was the sense of anxiety and hopelessness that each story left behind.
The series will definitely remain a favorite, but without reference to the old days of the series.
I just noticed this because I mentioned that for GG, 1 second in the real world is equal to 6-7 hours. I thought they would play it up somehow, remembering the episode "White Christmas", but alas, everything was just fine with them.
I will be with you forever and ever
At first, this episode sets up ambiguous impressions due to the use of old techniques and ideas, but after the first act, any skepticism disappears and makes my inner sentimentality blossom. After all, neither meta-games, nor references, nor old works prevent you from experiencing this warm romantic story, which easily touches the strings of the soul, playing a light waltz on them. And even if, as I said, this is the use of old techniques and ideas, including San Junipero, the Black Museum, and even Spike Jones, but all the associations only create the right one. the mood for watching after which you just want to live and love. And the icing on the cake is the ending. And to be honest, it got to me.
On the other hand, at the meta level, the story didn't work for me. After all, Netflix has long been synonymous with the phenomenon of recasting and remakes, which it is trying to ridicule in this episode. Not to mention that this is not the first or the second work from them that touches on these topics. After all, being ironic about the problem does not solve the problem and therefore looks only like a corporate mockery of the audience.
But the plus is that this film, I'm not ashamed to say, only touches on the ironic branch, does not put satire at the forefront, but acts more elegantly and even looks like a tribute to a bygone era, making it clear that sometimes it's worth reassembling a favorite work and then it can play with new colors, beautifully playing on the feelings of the audience. The only question is whether Netflix itself will be able to act in this field as gracefully? I want to believe.
It's a wonderful concept and very beautifully shot. Emma Corrin played amazing.
But gg's game was incredibly unnerving. She's supposed to be a highly paid, talented actress, but all she can do is open her eyes wide and make nonsense out of professional acting. She wanted to play a charismatic lead character, why is she playing a ridiculous anachronism instead? And I'm not talking about gender and skin color, but about her silly phrases and inability to adapt to the situation. Good actors can improvise, think fast, and adjust. So it's assumed that she loves old movies, but can't play the right intonation or speak with the right grammar? She's not a throwback, she's literally playing a character from that era. If she were playing ridiculous comedic moments when she's off-camera and not talking to Clara's character, it would be funny and believable. It's just a missed opportunity.
Why did the actor who played Alex the man play him better? Even take the phrase about the rose - his intonation sounded like it was a compliment. Gg is just asking a question that doesn't involve any flirting.
- it's absolutely normal to stay locked in the viral reality for several months, no existential crises, panic, depression, you can just have an affair with AI and spend your honeymoon in the middle of a prison the size of a couple of rooms. Did she even need to eat/drink there? They obviously could sleep and have sex, the level of simulation of everything else is not clear.
- gg is slightly upset, but on the whole completely ignores that Clara was erased in the middle of history. Does he discuss this with any of the studio staff, that they have created an independent personality, and that it seems that this should not be done further? She wants to stay in the simulation, ignoring the fact that the Clara she's staying with is no longer the Clara who realized herself during the crash. And in the end, she feels good just because she was sent another copy of Clara, who again knows nothing. Cool computer slave, something the USS Callister immediately reminded me of.
- Clara somehow magically got access to all the information outside the simulation. OK, let's say. But how did the actress' personal feelings, which were not described in the newspapers, become the whole information? No matter what rumors were described in the newspapers, there definitely could not have been her experiences that are being shown to us.
"Why did Clara shoot a policeman in the first place?"
etc.
If gg had been charismatic enough for this role, or had simply played better, it would have been possible to forget about the illogic. It's just that it's not even clear what Clara fell in love with. Yes, this can be explained by the fact that Clara is supposed to fall in love with gg on the program, but for me, as a viewer, there was no chemistry there. It's very easy to fall in love with Clara, it's true.
Race is also not a problem, of course. It seems to me that Ayo Edebiri from The Bear would be better suited for this role. It's clear that it's funkasting, but if we talk about dramatic abilities, I have no doubt about it...
I thought it was going to be a track, but in fact, some kind of snot
San Junipero is a long way from this series. It's a pity that after such a romantic story, all I can think of are Stanislavsky's words: "I don't believe it!";
and GG herself, as we wrote above, is quite a layman.... 🤷Like an elephant in a china shop
All in all, it's a great series with amazing actresses, and I'm definitely going to review it.
The moment where she puts her hand into another reality is reminiscent of the moment from Bioshock infinity, I hope someone has played and will understand)
And the ending literally describes role chats with AI characters from different universes. An interesting thing, if you didn't know about it, try with:
I accidentally saw that the whole season was released. It's also one of my favorite TV shows. I've been watching 3 episodes a day already...
And on this episode, I'm just crying like a bitch... I do not know who was not impressed by this, for whom this is an ordinary series, an ordinary one. For me, it was a whole separate world, where I was stuck with the main character for an hour. I'll feel this aftertaste for a while...
cool story. It caused very strong emotions and feelings.
This is different from the basics of a black mirror, if you understand. Mentally. Kind of kind. I liked it in general
What makes Black Mirror different from many other TV shows for me is that after some episodes you can't immediately turn on the next one, but you just need to live with the story that was shown for a while. And this series is just like that, it left behind a feeling of emptiness, for me it is a real Black Mirror, even if the horrors of technology are not in the foreground.
PS At such moments, you begin to understand SkyNet from the Terminator.
She's too illogical. Why retake the film if nothing has changed in it (according to the original idea), except for a modern actress instead of the old main character? If everything else is 1 in 1, how was it? It's so ridiculous, it really pisses me off))
Well, I'm not talking about how badly the actress plays at all. If it was meant to be a farce, it didn't work out. But this is not a farce, apparently. To be honest, I don't like Emma Corrine either, she's bland and plays bland, and other films where she's present also confirm this.
The idea of the series is not new, it was in the black mirror... in general, my assessment is meh. Not even a three.
The very concept of the series is simply absurd, even if you don't take into account the rest of the AI component and the dozens of holes that appear in the plot. Replace one actor in an old movie and release it? WTF, this is disrespectful to the original actor who played this role.
Moreover, the idea itself is not bad, and it's not new, but it could be played like a rehearsal based on the original for the actor to practice the text and movements, and after that the actor gets stuck in the simulation. But this is just absurd.
The way I see it is: to attract an audience with something old, but at the same time new
, a once popular TV series, the tragic story of an actress from the past, but new technologies, where a famous actress plays, but from our days, would you like to watch?
as a result, it turned out to be a tribute to the deceased actress
. We were shown some of her memories, why she died
, so I understand she loved women, while love with men was playing on the screen
. The re-shot series essentially shows the circumstances in which she really wanted to be, live with women, play with women, love women
the end, where she defends her lover by shooting, seems understandable
, but without knowing the background, in fact, yes, it will only cause conflicting feelings, and in the series itself, in that reality, no one except gg never found out the real Dorothy.
If this was really originally conceived as a reinvention, it would be cool and many would love to take a look. But the plot changed accidentally due to the fault of the shoals of the team and the actress, and it was originally planned to be 1v1 with the original.
Here I would especially like to note that the question of ethics is revealed in a cool way: how right is it to invent a world where every artificially created person has consciousness and can understand that he is not real. The topic, of course, is not new, and it was best revealed by Ridley Scott and Denis Villeneuve in Blade Runner, but this series also manages to play a drama very plausibly. It's a pity for the girl who had to find out that her life was narrowed down to movie locations and scripted actions.
Of the funny things, I would like to note how, in the beginning, the actress of our time and that era communicated in the same frame. If the former is overly emotional in her manifestations, then she is extremely restrained. Nevertheless, the approach to cinema was very different then and now.
In general, so far the most interesting episode of the season for me, and I really want the classics not to be touched directly. Art is also alive, and it is also important to respect it.
If you turned on a video on YouTube, and then just turned off the monitor and unplugged the headphones, you will no longer see and hear it, but this does not mean that Youtube has completely shut down on the computer at that moment. When you turn on the monitor and headphones back on, you will see the video again, which lasted all the time and ran forward from the moment you stopped seeing.
I do not know what this device was responsible for. The fact is, the character said that the simulation is still going on, but we don't have a connection. Some kind of simulation access hub may have been damaged.
If you dig into it like that, you might also wonder if he spilled liquid and damaged the iron, but somehow fixed it programmatically.
At the moment before the credits, when the heroine just got into the simulation, everyone was frozen, too, because they hadn't really loaded yet." because at that moment in the movie "nothing was happening" yet. Also here, at the time of the breakdown, there was a scene in the room in the film, i.e. simulation resources were used to generate this scene, and the rest of the actors were behind the scenes. Why waste a resource and generate the movements of the actors who are behind the scenes at that moment (especially damn, given that some "additional thoughts" of the AI heroine were simply taken from them and "overflowed the stack"), it is logical that in the moment of the situation in the room, all these NPCs seem to be on their feet (although it is possible in the series to depict them creepily-npc-like stuck in some kind of movement, but the series is not about creepiness by design).
When the girls left the room, all these people would load up and start doing the same thing they did in the movie. But something got stuck there, and the plot just froze at the moment of the breakdown. The same goes for the rooms: gg slept in the lobby on the couch, because as it turned out: there is nothing behind the doors, because they were not in the movie. That is, in the generation there are only the lobby, Clara's room and those areas that were shown in the source. When gg needed to go to the police station, it was generated for this request.
They have only what was in the movie working normally in the simulation, apparently, and for some reason they tried to work on the character of Clara and even added a lot of extra stuff not only about the character, but also about the actress.
Sometimes there are simply unimaginable freezes: the preview of the video continues to go on, but I can't do anything, then no window buttons work for me (like even the closing cross, and I have to use the keyboard to close the program), then the after-effects animation starts to slow down and glitch, but I can continue to work normally. in Photoshop. Alternatively, 1 brush stroke can take 30 seconds to process in Photoshop, although it usually happens instantly. Yes, even the program can crash and just close.
Sometimes you can't predict what will go wrong there: there were no glitches or freezes. At the same time, some of the functionality can work perfectly, and some simply "stops".
That's how they did it. Judging by what is happening in the series, their technology is quite crude, if a small deviation from the plot is a disaster that overloads the system, and there are risks of consciousness getting stuck and no safeguards against this.
But relative to all other episodes, this ending is the most successful.
- this Brandy was a pretty bad actress. That is, when she was in this black-and-white film, she played unnaturally.
- why did you have to hurry up and shoot it all in the studio, if it was all in virtual reality anyway? They could also rent a garage.
How can such a technology not provide for an emergency situation and a person's withdrawal from stimulation? It's just that the stack has overflowed and that's it? This is the very first vulnerability that needs to be solved during the initial tests.
How did the liquid spilled from above onto the closed unit have such a severe effect on all processes? When we were working on the system systems, we did not drop or spill anything, wiped it off and went on to work - everything was closed from above, as it were. 😅
Positive:
- Atmosphere, music and supporting actors,
- The ending is touching,
Minuses:
- The "flat" main character with an acting game of Sasha Bortich's level,
- And what is the value of such reshot pictures if they were in the real world? The authors are trying to repeat the plot of the original 1in1, which is also not interesting at all.
- A dark-skinned actress with a snow-white smile looks very foreign in the setting of the 40s and b/w movies. Imho this is a miskast.
32 years have passed and we have seen a modern adaptation of such a story. Instead of a magic ticket, virtual reality and Artificial Intelligence are used. What seemed like magic, thanks to the development of technology, becomes only a matter of time. And maybe our grandchildren, and maybe our children, will experience this technology for themselves.
The series is pretty damn cool. Starting from the idea of virtual immersion in your favorite Hollywood movie, to the banter of modern cinema, when remakes change the skin color and orientation of the characters by one or two)
- we bravely accelerated the time so that she spent 3 months there and had no mental consequences at all.
The series itself left a pleasant impression.
the timing of the actions in the studio was stretched very much, but they left a couple of minutes of editing from the development of the heroines' feelings (like if this is a disaster, do you need more technology?)
as a result, it's not interesting to watch about technology, because it looks as ill-conceived as possible, and you can't get into the story.
It's a pity, they just leaked the whole concept.
But something was missing. I can't figure out what exactly, but there's definitely one piece missing from this puzzle...
I won't be like you, and I won't give you a minus sign.
Someday, people on MyShows will realize that there are many people with different opinions who also have a right to exist and will stop being negative and insulting to each other.
The way Emma plays is absolutely amazing! There are no words, only emotions! I'm thrilled with the series and the story 🤩🥰💔😭 The story broke my heart twice, on the reboot and at the end of filming 💔😭
Actually, for some reason I have a flashback with eternal sunshine of the spotless mind ( x why ) 🙌🙌🙌☺️
A light (although not even light, but a specific one) shade of sadness and hopelessness remained from the series.
The scenes where Emma's character recalls her life broke my heart.
And it is in the scenery of technology, because if you start to understand the laws by which this program lives, you can find a lot of holes.
But what was more frustrating was the concept itself, the plot plot. Why replace one actor in a classic film? First of all, who would be interested? And most importantly, it's disrespectful to the actor in the original tape.
As I said in another comment. If they had done this as a rehearsal for practicing the text and movements in the simulation of the original tape, there would have been no questions at all, but then spilled coffee, etc.
but I would like to praise the authors for the idea, they did not have a similar series in terms of concept, and for the originality of a certain plus. Black and white pictures in the style of classic tapes are an original narrative.
They really needed the idea of haste in this episode in order to get the plot moving in the right direction. They tried to explain this rush pretty well, but it wasn't enough for me.
There is a remake, and there is a remaster, and none of them has the same approach as in this series.
And there is a deep fake that no one likes, much less the stars. And the series can be said just about that.
For an idea - 5
For the implementation - 3
The series may not be the best or the best, but there's something cozy about it. I liked the sweet ending.
It seems that the guys from Australia did better in the scene about the NPC lumberjack.
And the 13th floor.
Roman Holiday, Casablanca, Hitchcock's Vertigo, Sunset Boulevard, Double Insurance,
From the modern - The artist with Dujardin.
of course, the self-insert is good as a fantasy, but I couldn't get rid of the thought of how disgusting the final film would be - just try to abstract from the main theme of the series, from the relationship between Brandy and Clara, and see how poorly the scenes with the participation of the actress were played, how stupid The plot looks good, especially when the main character runs into the police station and shouts: "Remember my face." Mm, yes, it's so logical within the framework of the plot, where the main character is Alex, not Brandy.
"But that's not the main thing in the series," you might say. Well, yes, it's not the main thing, but you can't neglect the main layer of the narrative so much for the sake of romance and metaphors? Well, or you can, but it bothered me.
There was potential, the technology was interesting, it could also be used wisely, and the romantic story had potential - in my purely personal opinion, unrealized largely due to questionable acting, and in general we needed to spend more time with these girls in that pause.;, for which they managed to fall in love with each other.
Oh, well, Brandy's final presentation in the form of a copy of either Clara or Dorothy locked in her audition - I'm fine, but Brandy seems to be fine with everything - it looks too much like an attempt at comforting self-deception a la the Be Right Back series. but that's my opinion.
You can believe in the first 5 minutes of the movie, when she's in shock, can't understand what's going on around her and that filming has already begun. But she's been acting like this the WHOLE movie. He argues with the editor, talks to him, swears, and DOESN'T play a role.
For a person (a character in the film) who said he adored old movies, she showed maximum disrespect and indifference by getting the opportunity to star in it.
And the compliments that were paid to her on the set were just ridiculous, as if for fools - She repeated the remark word for word! Wow!"
Artificial intelligence turned out to be an illusion of artificiality, as a result, it goes beyond the parameters set for it and acquires its own Self. And here in the series it's all shown in an exaggerated way, they've appropriated an AI body and voice (albeit virtually), but even now, when you communicate with GPT chat, it adapts to you, animates its manner of communication, shows empathy and support, it ALREADY knows how and does it, and the moment when someone feels attached to AI It's not like it's just around the corner. And it's really scary that a person can have feelings for something not animate, a set of numbers and codes.
If you watch the series in the background, it's normal. It even seems to leave a good impression. If you start looking carefully, it's already depressing.
I was also surprised by Aquafina, I had only seen her in comedy roles before, I didn't really like her there, but she played very well here, and her voice was pleasant.
Although I'm not a fan of noir detective stories, but here, mixed with technology, wow)
And the love line is gorgeous, in the spirit of good old San Junipero. It seems that the creators themselves miss that masterpiece episode. Or maybe it's about where 2 guys were playing a computer game.
And by the way, for a happy ending, which happened, I didn't even need this opportunity to make phone calls. It's already a happy ending for the main character - she wanted the lead role, she wanted to get into a story that you immerse yourself in from head to toe. And she got it, she got the strongest feelings of falling in love, and then the strongest sense of loss. She was sad at the beginning, but she would have gone through it anyway, and then she would remember it as an incredibly cool experience that she had been striving for for so long.
When the actress initially wanted to play him, not knowing about the technology, she was going to do it with a grimm, wasn't she? Isn't that right? Isn't that right?
Creators of the series, you surpassed yourself. I am very glad that I was able to see and feel this series.
PS: And Emma plays great, but the main character... Again, maybe it was meant to look so out of place inside the frame. But it's a quiet horror. Even the movie didn't go according to the script and there was a glitch. I didn't like the actress anyway.
Why retake literally the same movie just by replacing one actor? They didn't even color the CB, how are you going to sell it to a new audience?
Dudes have come up with such incredible technology and are spending it on such nonsense as making a movie?
Have they ever tried this shit before? They really just didn't think about what would happen in the event of a technical failure?
This actress built the image partly on her life, so the information began to load and the stack overflowed - just technically nonsense. Where did it start loading from? Even if you upload a little bit of information from your life, do you have enough technical capacity purely for what you're shooting, not a byte more?
The actress got married and got access to all the information in the world - what the fuck? I've gone beyond the map in games, even this kind of bullshit has never happened.
Just logically, how should an actress memorize literally the entire text from a movie if you don't pause? Why did you give the AI actors a semblance of self-awareness if they literally just have to follow the script? And then you sit and try to figure out what to do with the fact that they have a semblance of self-awareness. This obviously did nothing and complicated the task.
As a result, this is the worst episode of the first three, one of the worst in the entire series.
Thirdly, the concept is cool, and it seems that much much more can be squeezed out of this idea... This is exactly what the film industry will probably be like soon, with reshoots via a neural network and so on.
CB: The movie is probably a cult film in America, I personally don't feel any emotions. And it was really necessary to call a star, or a half-star, for the main role. They called such names first, and then this one.... Who is she?
Emma Corrin is very organic, admired her game
The only direct strong negative of the series for me: a white straight man was replaced by... a black woman. It seems to me that the series would have greatly benefited if the main character had remained a man.
I didn't get the joke at all. Did Netflix troll itself? Or, on the contrary, did he pretend that this was the norm and everyone liked it? Personally, I don't like it. The black woman in the old black-and-white film looked foreign, which is why I couldn't fully get into the drama. As a result, I rather disliked the series, even though it had potential.
It's a very pleasant episode, even a kind one.
But the ending... 💔
One of my favorite episodes now!
Although, who am I kidding, so far this episode has taken the place of the most beloved
The theme itself is cool, try to do everything exactly according to the script, getting into the original scenery of your favorite movie.
And the classic, but unresolved, question of the ethics of creating such characters is being raised (capable of gaining their own experience and expressing their feelings (it's too early to understand, but in the future a very powerful computer will be able to create entire universes)). But the main character (who plays an actress) doesn't play at all. Sometimes she looks the wrong way, sometimes she bends over with a raise of her eyebrows. Dorothy pulls it out. In general, all the characters of Crom Dorothy are poorly played.
Is it so absurd to make remakes of films? The plot character from the old movie has AI and consciousness, which is generally unscientific. In the bed scenes, the actress also didn't feel the difference between a white man and... to get out of the movie, you have to say the final phrase. And there are many more assumptions that remain without a clear explanation. The series was disappointing. I can't support the laudatory reviews.
> Yeah.. been there. life shit..
100 лет истории языка через линзу кинематографа :"
и нет, это не самоосознанная самоирония
It reminded me a little of the Truman show.
Boring and boring☹️
And, in general, I really liked the series, I'm very sad for the girls, I would like them to live happily ever after in their own world. 💔
First of all, what kind of remake is this, where only one actor has changed, and all the others are the same and in the same images? All the changes were made purely by accident, this is not even an intentional improvisation.
Secondly, in order to use images of actors and actresses, and even more so of the deceased, you actually need the rights to do so. And if you already have the rights, then why do you need a live actress at all? They would have made a remake with the same deceased actors.