@vk497762: The book is completely different than it was in the last seasons of the handmaid. And June is not mentioned in the book, as far as I remember. And then she appears and introduces it to Gilead.
@vk497762: The creators have confirmed that Daisy is not Nicole in the series. Because Nicole was 3-4 years old in the last season, events are shown here 4 years after the last season. That is, Nicole is 7-8 years old now.
Agnes and Daisy are around 14-15 years old, most likely.
@spytnisca: Yes, she's Nicole there. And the book shows that 17 years have passed since the actions of the old maid. That is, Nicole is about 20, and Agnes is 30. In the first season of the story, Hannah was 8 years old, and Nicole hadn't even conceived yet. Their age difference is quite large, but here Agnes and Daisy are about the same age.
@spytnisca: they provide space for development. First, they will tell you about Agnes, and then it will be possible to tell about the grown-up Agnes and Nicole, if the ratings are good.
On the one hand, the colors of the series have changed. And this is logical, so in MS we saw everything from June's face in blue and gloomy tones, and here from Agnes's face everything is brighter and pink-beige. It is immediately felt that we are seeing the story from the perspective of another person.
On the other hand, these soundtracks and childishness....against this background, the fact that the maid had her tongue cut out and the men hanged does not look as creepy as it did in the RS. Maybe it's a move to show that they're already used to it and it's part of life, but somehow I wasn't very impressed..
I didn't expect June to show up at all. They made a fog that she wouldn't be there, or maybe she would be... and then the first episode and immediately bam, here's June for you.
@stellary: I think June is just here to twist the plot. I don't know how it was in the books, but it was made clear that she would persuade her to work undercover. The only thing I don't know yet is how they were able to get her to join Hannah.
Wasn't it mostly women who were punished in The Maid? There is a lot of emphasis on the fact that men are now also being pressed, hanged, and have their hands cut off.
I like that Agnes doesn't always like what's going on in her mind, she hates her foster mother, and she doesn't give up on Daisy.
but if Agnes and Daisy are not sisters, then a lot is lost , especially since it seemed from the promo that they were specially chosen so that both actresses would look like June.
And yes, I'm glad that June will be appearing . I know that many people hated the actress , but for me she was the reason why I liked The Handmaid so much, why I started watching this series in the first place.
@MargoRose: It's just that in MS, the focus is on one of the most vulnerable groups of women and the rules for women are stricter in principle. And so did the non-displaced men there, too, Nick's wife was drowned along with her lover, for example.
@rina_volk: I remember that, but still, these were more isolated cases in all the seasons, few things come up in my head.
it already seems that men have stopped being so untouchable (but yes, I still don't think this applies to commanders), this is more emphasized over the three series, and the hanged and the cutting off of the hand of men, that the 'plums' are present at all in MS, I would rather expect that it would all concern women , and there is a feeling that in punishment m and w somehow leveled (it would be better to become equal in other rights ...)
Otherwise, they still show that men rule the ball , let's see how they will develop all this topic further.
@MargoRose: In the very first episode of the PC, the maids first go to get groceries past the hanged men, and then they give the man to them. In the book, these hangmen are regularly updated, and in the series we continue to see them from episode to episode, but they are a familiar decoration and attention is not focused on them. Power is held by a fairly narrow circle of men, and not by the entire male sex. Commander's daughters do not have the immunity of their fathers, but they will not be harassed as servants either.
@rina_volk: for some reason, only the hanged maids remained in my head, but it's not surprising, it's really been many years since the first season) thank you for writing , or it was strange to think that then the maids looked at the hanged, and now they show that the daughters of the commanders calmly look at the same thing.
About the mauling, I remember Fred, were there any other cases? :about
about the fact that later they were more like a decoration, and it seemed like there were immediately other feelings from watching (or is it again my distorted perception due to how long I've seen the series), as if they had been brought to the fore, but perhaps, as in the PC, this will also fade into the background the plan
@MargoRose: everyone was being punished there, actually. In the first season, they showed hanged men who did not fit into the new reality, doctors, LGBT people, etc. A group of maids killed a man in episode 1 or 2.
>in the Handmaid's Tale, weren't women mostly punished? There is a lot of emphasis on the fact that men are now also being pressed, hanged, and have their hands cut off. >it already seems that men are no longer so untouchable (but yes, I still don't think this applies to commanders), there is more emphasis on this
In "The Handmaid's Tale," all this also took place. The same Commander Putnam was initially sentenced to have his arm amputated for having an affair with Janine, and later he was executed for raping Esther. But he was from the top leadership. All sorts of nounames of a lower rank were punished for less - this was also shown in the series.
@KateMilk: I already realized from the number of comments that we need to review the PC one day :D a lot has already gone out of my memory, but of course I remember some punishments of the commanders , but I still meant that women were mostly tyrannized over, but such punishments of men were rare , and they already showed quite a lot in three episodes., please
The beginning is fire)) It is interesting to observe Gilead from the other side. Not from the maid's side. And from the side of the commander's future wife.
Daisy didn't seem so simple when she first appeared, I was sure she was faking it) Although they're ALL there, basically, pretending 🤷🏻
P.S. I think I have a favorite "plum" in the form of Shunamita.
I'm so glad that this universe is back on the screens! The new characters are interesting, I really liked the end of the series and how Daisy's life before Gilead was shown. June's cameo is great, but I hope it won't be enough, because we're already watching the story through her daughter's eyes.
@rimmer: lack of menstruation, lack of ovulation = no chance of getting pregnant
Naturally, menstruation does not guarantee 100% that it will be possible to have a child , but their absence is a disease, prolonged absence can lead to infertility.
@rimmer: In their world, it's like an initiation, a transition to a new state, when I was a child, I became a girl. In normal societies, graduation exams are usually the initiation, but here, since the goal is to get married, menstruation is a sign of transition to a new state.
@rimmer: everyone jumped on you, but I understand what you meant. It was also confusing. OK, no menstruation = impossible to get pregnant, that's understandable. But this does not make menstruation = the possibility of getting pregnant. There are a lot of reasons for infertility, and many infertile women have periods but cannot get pregnant. Therefore, yes, in a world where there are even bigger problems with this, such an unequivocal conclusion that menstruation has come = pregnancy will be, looks, to put it mildly, naive.
I was a precious flower, but why did I sometimes feel like a prize pig?
Testaments are something aesthetic again, everyone wears the same colors, marching in the precious Gilead concentration camp) Daisy is a well-deserved Cossack June?
Hannah was already 7 years old when June was just taken away. And Nicole was born a couple of years later, they should have been 10 years apart. I don't understand. And June also saved Nicole, as she found herself back in Gilead....
@kadriel: Actually, Hannah was very young when they went to Gilead. 2-3 years old. Otherwise, she would have remembered her mother. I think there could have been a difference of 5-6 years. At least according to the series. I've read books, but I don't remember any age details from there.
Is Daisy Nicole? Don't they have a 10-year difference? How did she end up in Gilead anyway? She is clearly behaving like a well-deserved Cossack, and not the one who was caught at the border and brought to this PDC by force against her will, could June also let her go? I don't understand, events 4 years after MS, how old is Nicole? Why does everyone say that Daisy is Nicole? She was just a baby at the end of the series, wasn't she? Maybe 4 years. Although the resemblance to June is striking. Aunt Lydia is like a cockroach, the bitch will outlive everyone
@galerians: in the book, the "Testaments" take place 15 or 17 years after. And there Daisy is Nicole. It was sent by "Mayday" But it seems like the creators of the series said that it would not be like that for them.
@ValeriiaBielaia: It's not a fact that there really were rapists there. Perhaps the men wanted to save the girl (with her consent) and hand her over to Mayday. Maybe to return someone's daughter to her mother.
I don't know about the book, but I don't think June would have consciously sent her daughter (Nicole) to this hell. It's not really necessary to save Hannah.And Aunt Lilia is clearly involved in all of this. Very interesting.
@ValeriiaBielaia: "not really necessary"? After so many years of trying to save her daughter, June had never been able to get close to her, either from inside or outside Gilead. So it's very necessary.
I couldn't even watch season 1 of The Handmaid's Tale, including because of Elisabeth Moss. I don't know if I need to know any background to watch this series, but I still like it.
@MOPE_AHAHACOB: the anti-patriarchal ones. For patriarchals, on the contrary, the woman is to blame for everything. And they would have executed the woman who led them into sin.
Does anyone know why they have such unusual names? Hulda, Aunt Vidal, Sunometan / Shonomite, Aunt Gabana…Aunt Esther and Agnes are the most common names among the others. I probably don't know something, I haven't read the book.
@kot_nastya: Hulda, Sonamit, Rebecca, Agnes - these are all Biblical names. Regarding the aunts: the founding aunts were allowed to keep their names (for example, Lydia and Vidala). The rest were given names similar to the names of large companies, brands, and famous people, so that they would seem more familiar to the maids and arouse more trust. Gabbana's Aunt is Dolce Gabbana, Este's Aunt is Este Lauder, etc. There is even Aunt Maybelline (Maybelline New York) and Aunt Dove (dove)
I haven't watched "The Handmaid"... but I will definitely take a look.... 🫠 After watching it, I want to erase my memory and never think about what really exists....
Aunt Lydia is not murderable! 🧙♀️ It seems that if the commander had been satisfied with draining, then there would have been nothing for him, and ordinary workers/guards were at a loss, for the edification of all sinners. The eye rejoices at the picture and the aesthetics of Gilead, then as shown and filmed. We look further
@knyazhna_sofi: In the RS, one of the commanders was executed for raping a maid who was not yet "attached" to his house. For molesting girls, I'm sure a man of any status will be punished accordingly.
I don't remember if this was explained in the original series, but it's very strange to look at pretty adult actresses who are kind of waiting for menarche; it's clear that this was done for production reasons, so as not to really cast girls 10-14 years old...
How Daisy looks like June is amazing. One person. I think she's Nicole after all, otherwise what's the point of choosing a copy of Moss for the role of a mini?
@Lenkaptitsa: at least a screenwriter (or director) He said it wasn't exactly Nicole, but I still have a feeling it's her, because they really look alike. Although she is not suitable for her age
I didn't look at the maid, but how is it difficult to believe in the existence of such a world with such a mentality if everything was fine for a couple of decades? It is clear that the new generation is already growing up with new foundations (like children born at or after the zombie apocalypse), but a bunch of adults who remember the past world so easily accepted the new order, as I understood due to the imposition of religion, but it looks a little strange.
If Daisy is not Nicole here, then I don't understand her motivation to go to Gilead at all. Everything in the book is as clear as possible, but it's still a mystery. Well, Elisabeth Moss was bombed in the first episode. I'm surprised.
Interestingly, they chose an actress for the role of Daisy - the spitting image of June, as if she were her daughter. and even the same facial expressions.
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88And June is not mentioned in the book, as far as I remember. And then she appears and introduces it to Gilead.
Agnes and Daisy are around 14-15 years old, most likely.
In the first season of the story, Hannah was 8 years old, and Nicole hadn't even conceived yet. Their age difference is quite large, but here Agnes and Daisy are about the same age.
On the one hand, the colors of the series have changed. And this is logical, so in MS we saw everything from June's face in blue and gloomy tones, and here from Agnes's face everything is brighter and pink-beige. It is immediately felt that we are seeing the story from the perspective of another person.
On the other hand, these soundtracks and childishness....against this background, the fact that the maid had her tongue cut out and the men hanged does not look as creepy as it did in the RS. Maybe it's a move to show that they're already used to it and it's part of life, but somehow I wasn't very impressed..
I didn't expect June to show up at all. They made a fog that she wouldn't be there, or maybe she would be... and then the first episode and immediately bam, here's June for you.
The story has a different perspective, and it's interesting to watch.
I like that Agnes doesn't always like what's going on in her mind, she hates her foster mother, and she doesn't give up on Daisy.
but if Agnes and Daisy are not sisters, then a lot is lost
, especially since it seemed from the promo that they were specially chosen so that both actresses would look like June.
And yes, I'm glad that June will be appearing
. I know that many people hated the actress
, but for me she was the reason why I liked The Handmaid so much, why I started watching this series in the first place.
in all the seasons, few things come up in my head.
it already seems that men have stopped being so untouchable (but yes, I still don't think this applies to commanders), this is more emphasized
over the three series, and the hanged and the cutting off of the hand of men, that the 'plums' are present at all
in MS, I would rather expect that it would all concern women
, and there is a feeling that in punishment m and w somehow
leveled (it would be better to become equal in other rights ...)
Otherwise, they still show that men rule the ball
, let's see how they will develop all this topic further.
Power is held by a fairly narrow circle of men, and not by the entire male sex. Commander's daughters do not have the immunity of their fathers, but they will not be harassed as servants either.
, or it was strange to think that then the maids looked at the hanged, and now they show that the daughters of the commanders calmly look at the same thing.
About the mauling, I remember Fred, were there any other cases? :about
about the fact that later they were more like a decoration, and it seemed like there were immediately other feelings from watching (or is it again my distorted perception due to how long I've seen the series), as if they had been brought to the fore, but perhaps, as in the PC, this will also fade into the background the plan
>in the Handmaid's Tale, weren't women mostly punished? There is a lot of emphasis on the fact that men are now also being pressed, hanged, and have their hands cut off.
>it already seems that men are no longer so untouchable (but yes, I still don't think this applies to commanders), there is more emphasis on this
In "The Handmaid's Tale," all this also took place. The same Commander Putnam was initially sentenced to have his arm amputated for having an affair with Janine, and later he was executed for raping Esther. But he was from the top leadership. All sorts of nounames of a lower rank were punished for less - this was also shown in the series.
a lot has already gone out of my memory, but of course I remember some punishments of the commanders
, but I still meant that women were mostly tyrannized over, but such punishments of men were rare
, and they already showed quite a lot in three episodes., please
Blessed Aunt Lydia!
The beginning is fire)) It is interesting to observe Gilead from the other side. Not from the maid's side. And from the side of the commander's future wife.
Daisy didn't seem so simple when she first appeared, I was sure she was faking it) Although they're ALL there, basically, pretending 🤷🏻
P.S. I think I have a favorite "plum" in the form of Shunamita.
The new characters are interesting, I really liked the end of the series and how Daisy's life before Gilead was shown. June's cameo is great, but I hope it won't be enough, because we're already watching the story through her daughter's eyes.
Naturally, menstruation does not guarantee 100% that it will be possible to have a child
, but their absence is a disease, prolonged absence can lead to infertility.
Testaments are something aesthetic again, everyone wears the same colors, marching in the precious Gilead concentration camp)
Daisy is a well-deserved Cossack June?
I don't understand. And June also saved Nicole, as she found herself back in Gilead....
Although the resemblance to June is striking.
Aunt Lydia is like a cockroach, the bitch will outlive everyone
And there Daisy is Nicole.
It was sent by "Mayday"
But it seems like the creators of the series said that it would not be like that for them.
And thanks for that.
Regarding the aunts: the founding aunts were allowed to keep their names (for example, Lydia and Vidala). The rest were given names similar to the names of large companies, brands, and famous people, so that they would seem more familiar to the maids and arouse more trust. Gabbana's Aunt is Dolce Gabbana, Este's Aunt is Este Lauder, etc. There is even Aunt Maybelline (Maybelline New York) and Aunt Dove (dove)
After watching it, I want to erase my memory and never think about what really exists....
It seems that if the commander had been satisfied with draining, then there would have been nothing for him, and ordinary workers/guards were at a loss, for the edification of all sinners.
The eye rejoices at the picture and the aesthetics of Gilead, then as shown and filmed.
We look further