I have some questions about this episode, as a continuation of the series The Handmaid's Tale. It's probably good as an adaptation of the book, but I haven't read it. Lydia in the flashbacks here is different from the flashbacks of the PC. That Lydia already held Gilead views. Here, Lydia is an ordinary person who completely does not understand what is happening and is scared, whereas in MS, she actively used the system to destroy a single mother whom she considered "unworthy." Her quick wit in talking to Judd could have suited both versions, so I don't understand the change in her backstory. In any case, no matter how many of Aunt Lydia's backstories they bombarded us with, I would never love her.
"She's the daughter of a maid, there's no shame in that—not an ordinary maid." June Osborne, they're still talking about you, you're a legend.
I wonder if Aunt Lydia has appointed Garth as a husband for Hannah? Could she have cheated on the documents? Anyway, things always go wrong in Gilead, so I wouldn't be surprised if the worst happened.
@KisJulVl: Garth may have been appointed groom, but it's still a pitchfork over water. For each girl, there are several candidates for suitors, the parents must finally decide. And Garth can refuse himself, because now he will have the power, maybe he can choose another girl, not Agnes, because he does not have feelings for her.
@KisJulVl: This is more of a problem with the original series. Where Aunt Lydia's background was changed for some reason. And they got fucked up. And I don't quite understand how the events of the last series of PC didn't come out. And Lydia remained in the system.
@GermanSW: I've been thinking about this a lot too. But considering that all the commanders died in Boston, apparently she was able to get away with it, plus considering her historical ties to Judd and the potential presence of compromising material on the right people. This is indirectly indicated by the fact that at the end of the MS she was able to give Janine her daughter - that is, she had the mechanisms to do it.
@gordeenko_dasha: It seemed convincing, but Gilead was always full of snitches. What June has been telling us about since the first seasons of MS. And one of them would have reported it. I am sure that the loss of such a big city as Boston was dealt with at all levels. But most likely, the creators of the PC simply ignored these inconsistencies. And they shifted them onto the shoulders of the creators of the "Testaments". Just like with Aunt Lydia's ridiculous backstory in the series. Where a man did not want her and she urgently decided to rush to the "Sons of Jacob". Although, at that time there was already a book on "Testaments". And it was possible to shoot normally, as it was intended by the author.
@GermanSW: my main complaint about MS is the flashback about Lydia, which was written above, it just doesn't fit into the character she should be in the Testaments (as well as her generally hysterical nature in most of MS)
@gordeenko_dasha: It doesn't fit, that's true. The serial Lydia did a lot of things that even for the sake of self-preservation and conspiracy could not be done. And her abrupt reversal in the last episode looked unconvincing. Although the actress tried very hard.
@KisJulVl: I think she's definitely going to do some kind of bullshit, fake something somewhere or hide it, she obviously doesn't really like Agnes. It seems to me that there are two options: either Lydia added Garth to the list of Agnes, but Vidal somehow manipulates it and he won't be there. Or Lydia added Garth this season, but for a different girl. Well, either Garth wasn't added this season. Because I still don't understand Lydia, a very complex and unpredictable character.
@KisJulVl: I also didn't understand this point - if the PC spin-off is essentially a continuation of the handmaid's tale by the same producers and is based on the story of the original series, why shoot an alternative biography of Aunt Lydia? And there are not just some details that don't add up, but a completely different aunt Lydia is shown and completely different events. Even the age is different (they are clearly trying to show that she was much younger when the coup began, although she was already quite old in the RS at that moment). Do they really think that we've already forgotten everything and will just accept an alternate history without question? It's a shock to me. Some kind of disrespect for either the series or the audience.
@id109442969: yes, if you have already moved away from the original source, then keep this branch normally, and do not redo it later. It would still seem logical that she keeps a diary and collects some information.…
@id109442969: maybe it's because in PC everything is shown from June's perspective, and the TV series "testaments" is based on a novel where Daisy, Agnes and Lydia share their memories? That is, there we saw Lydia as June saw her, and here as she describes herself.
@KisJulVl: in the original source, it is in the book "Testaments" that everything is exactly the same as in the series, only it is the beginning of the coup that is more detailed and tougher. The only inconsistency in the book is Aunt Lydia was a judge, and here is a teacher. Have you read the Maid's story, who has read how Lydia's biography is described there?
@Znata: There doesn't seem to be any way. In The Handmaid's Tale, the narrative is conducted on behalf of June (or rather, she remains anonymous in the book), and it is logical that she is not aware of Lydia's past. The book is quite compact, and it ends with the pregnant maid successfully escaping to Canada for the first time with Nick's help.
To approach Aunt Lydia with a big request...What courage!
It seems that Becca is being married to Garth. (maybe this is how to teach Agnes a lesson) ...Aunt Lydia said that it is better not to have girlfriends, and we were paid attention to the relationships and actions between friends
It's a pity Penny, it's the third time to go through this ((
In Gilead, they worry about white teeth, perfect posture, manners, and the possibility of girls becoming mothers, but no one cares about the psychological state!
@Little_enot: According to the book, Becca is the same daughter of a maid as Agnes, who was given into someone else's family. Her father is a super cool dentist who all the high-ranking commanders and their families go to. It was for this reason that he was allowed to adopt Becca, and also took her to this school. Besides her, all the girls there are the daughters of commanders.
@Katy269: What does that have to do with it? Agnes is the daughter of a maid, but her mother was not with this commander and was born before Gilead was born) here the question is completely different) 1 comment "so they're all the maids' children there, well, except Becky." I'm relying on the fact that Agnes is June's daughter, not from the commander, but before Gilead was created. In connection with the first comment, it turns out that all the children except Becky are the children of the maids before Gilead. Hence the question, whose Becca is it? For example, the native daughter of stomatolag before Gilead? But the question is settled, the answer is below
@an_khv: Well, now we see that she is writing a diary, and not what is allowed to write, apparently she is collecting compromising material on the commanders. This is the gun that's supposed to go off.
It turns out that in Gilead, the best option for a woman was the opportunity to become an aunt. You don't have to get married, you don't have to give birth, you can read and write, there's no independence (if you can call it that)
@Smartcookie: As if the best option was to be shot at that stadium, so as not to participate in the tin that happened next, in the role of aunt/maid/Martha, etc.
@Smartcookie: there are also housekeepers - wives of poor men or men of low rank, wives of guardians. They perform all the roles on their own, that is, they cook, clean, go to the store, and obey their husband. In RS, Nick, while he was a keeper, married Eden, she became his housekeeper. Eden helped with the duties at the Waterford house. And later Nick became a commander, and if Eden hadn't died, she would have become his privileged wife. It seems to me that the commander's wife and the housekeeper are basically not bad roles if the husband is normal. I wouldn't say no to Nick, let's say)
@stellary: Eden wasn't frugal. Economy people work in factories, sweep streets, etc. Workers and handymen, in other words. And Nick was a guardian and, besides, an Eye, he's a higher rank. In the episode where June hid in the house of a family with a child, she also mentally reasoned that this is how it turns out that people live economically. Apparently, their settlements are located in the suburbs, closer to the factories.
@_Mia_Wallace_: This information is freely available. The main feature of economy is the independent performance of household duties and the combination of the roles of maid, wife and Martha for her husband. Eden moved in with Nick, did all the housework herself in their apartment, and also helped the Waterfords. She didn't have her own martha.
The Ochi is a secret organization. Nick didn't cover it publicly, and only later did June admit it. It didn't affect his rank in any way, most people didn't know who he really was at all. At the time of his wedding to Eden, he was just a security guard and a driver living in an apartment on the territory of his commander's house.
@stellary: They can't read or write like that, which, in my opinion, is tough. Serena's finger was cut off, even though she was the wife of a high-ranking commander.
@stellary: I judged them from books where they were called the wives of the poor, and from the TV series where the thrifty people even have their own uniforms. I looked at the Fandom, indeed, it says that economy women are the wives of economy men and guardians. Then it's strange that June reacted as if she had seen how they lived for the first time. So she was mistaken, thinking that the guardians had a higher position.
@Smartcookie: literally in the second episode of RS, the commander invited June to play scrabble, even though it was forbidden, and then after a while he took her to a brothel, which is also forbidden. Lawrence didn't really care what the household did, as long as they didn't cause any problems. Although they were forbidden to read and write, it seems to me that many secretly did it at home behind a closed curtain, they simply did not advertise it.
And as for the siren, they cut off her finger for a reason, but because she went against her husband, and in a big way. Fred was the supreme commander, he couldn't ignore it....that is, in principle, if you behave normally, do not arrange any sabotage, then as a wife you can feel quite normal there, I think so.
I'm not particularly impressed by the role of the aunt. They are responsible for all the maids, and if something is wrong, then questions are always for them. In this role, no one should be pitied, if the maid causes a riot, the aunt must come up with and carry out a good punishment with her own hands. Either you or you…
I still haven't figured it out either in the books or in the TV series. According to what principle women were selected at the very beginning, how men determined who to shoot at the stadium, who to be maids / Martha or aunts. It's more or less clear with maids, you're married and have a healthy child as a maid, but with Martha and aunts it's not clear.
@vbkb: lesbians (gender traitors in Gilead terminology), feminists, politicians, scientists, famous journalists, prostitutes, actresses (especially porn actresses), etc. were shot, but, of course, only if they were childless or over the age of childbearing. And, well, gynecologists who performed abortions for women. That is, all the prominent or promiscuous (in Gilead's opinion) women whom they called "non-women." The alternative is colonies, where Mama June, an ardent feminist, was initially sent. Martha is a heterosexual woman under the age of 50 who is infertile but has no sins. They did not have abortions, they did not commit adultery (and we also remember that according to Gilead, only the first marriage is considered legitimate, all the rest is adultery). I will assume that these are women without higher education, former salesmen, cashiers, cooks, etc. Aunts are a criterion like Martha's, but with higher education, domineering, devoted to the ideas of Gilead. Judging by the series, former teachers, military personnel, etc . About the maids - not quite so. If a woman is married and not sinful, she continues to live with her family, these are economic people, simply workers. Maidservants are women who have given birth, but are sinful, and who must atone for their sin by serving Gilead. After all, June became a servant because she was an adulteress- her marriage to Luke was not recognized by Gilead. Luke had a first wife, and only this marriage was considered legal, and with the adulteress June, Luke lived in sin, and Hannah was born in sin, respectively. Janine is also an adulteress and a harlot, as she gave birth to a son out of wedlock. Emily is a gender traitor, Gilead denies her same-sex marriage, and if it weren't for the child, she would have been shot at the stadium. Like Moira, a lesbian who gave birth for the sake of money. Or there was a black maid who fell into a coma - she was a drug addict and a prostitute.
That is, women in their first marriage who comply with the new laws of Gilead are not deprived of children. And I also just thought that in both series there are absolutely no older women over 60 (well, except Aunt Lydia). Apparently, they were also disposed of, shot or exiled to colonies. By the way, in the book "The Handmaid's Tale" they got rid of all blacks, calling them the children of Boors. Logically, with such a Nazi ideology, Gilead would have gotten rid of colored people, but in the series, the creators did not dare to do that.
@_Mia_Wallace_: let's say I'm not married, I have no children, I have a higher education, where would I be assigned or shot in this case? And how do they get information about all the women? How do they know who the lesbians are, which marriage is their first or hundredth?
@vbkb: I think auntie or Martha, based on their profession and position in pre-Galaadian society. Actually, just like me) If you had an abortion, then maybe as a maid) Information? I assume that they also have access to all information, documents + social networks + interrogations of friends, colleagues and neighbors.
@_Mia_Wallace_: and why should they support elderly women over 60? They won't bring children, it's hard for them to be Martha, if only they are aunts... But then again, why do you need so many aunts to feed? A terrible, brutal sweep was apparently
@Little_enot: It's a good thing we're not in Gilead))) I don't like cooking, I don't like gouging out my eyes, they would have shot me at that stadium)))
It pisses me off that I have to believe that Aunt Lydia is good. I remember perfectly well how she cut out Janine's eye, how she cut off Emily's clitoris and other bunch of abominations. This woman was disgusting even before Gilead, which she accepted with open arms and enthusiasm. It is not necessary to mold her into a bookish Lydia, who was forced to become an aunt under torture. The fact that aunts are allowed to read and write has been clear since the RS, where they compiled the affairs of the maids. But they also smoke and drink (although Agnes scolded her guardian that smoking was forbidden). Moreover, even the commanders are afraid of aunts, they have the power to put them on trial, chop off a hand, etc . The scenes at the stadium are heartbreaking, like watching Schindler's List or another Nazi movie: these boxes of sorted things, the supposedly kind guard with his "you'll get your stuff back later", the order to shoot your own a friend. It's just terrible, today you live your usual life, and tomorrow you're being driven like cattle into this medieval patriarchal hell. Knowing Aunt Lydia, Agnes won't get her Garth. Most likely, he will be given to Becca, which will be the best option for her - he will not rape her.
@_Mia_Wallace_: Becca will be given another commander, but also a young one, after the credits of the third episode there was a trailer and there he is at their house shaking hands with her father, and she is in a green dress
@Ittanni: If they follow the book, they'll have to limit themselves to one season. Therefore, they will probably go their own way, just like the RS. But it's even more interesting this way)
@_Mia_Wallace_: The scenes at the stadium are not about the Nazis, but about the military coup in Chile in 1973, while there was a concentration camp at the national stadium in Santiago (people were kept in the stands) and shot on the field. Atwood generally writes his books like this: everything is mixed from reality, and historically fresh.
@g1503618: or maybe about the military coup in Argentina?))) They executed people in stadiums there too. I have written only about what I have associations with. And what inspired Atwood, only she knows.
@_Mia_Wallace_: No, it's an allusion to Chile. The stadium footage became iconic for Pinochet's coup as early as 1973: French journalists managed to get there and film a bit. The stadium, the people in the sectors of the sports stands — it immediately became a visual symbol of Pinochet's coup: this image was used in the French "Rain over Santiago" (1975), and in our "Night over Chile". (1977). By the way, "Night over Chile" is very well crafted, it's immediately clear that the directors have worked out all the available footage from the period of the coup. Well, what inspires Atwood is not only known to her — she openly talks about her method.
@g1503618: I repeat again that I described my feelings and associations when watching. I didn't seem to say that Atwood was an allusion to the Nazis. and nothing else. You've seen something else, and you have every right to do so (we're not in Gilead yet). I don't really understand the meaning of this discussion, to be honest.
They didn't show even ten percent of what the women went through at the stadium. In the book, Lydia was literally tortured, which also included being held in an isolation cell without lights or furniture. In it, Lydia became such a cuckoo that she was glad of the cockroaches crawling over her face, because this is at least some kind of variety.
@_Mia_Wallace_: Yeah, RS did a good job of spoiling her painting, making her a pious tyrant. The trials she went through at the stadium in the series hardly justify her motivation at all.
@_Mia_Wallace_: and it's like Judd himself suggested that she become an aunt. Precisely because she held a great position as a judge. And she's used to deciding people's fates. And here she asked for it.
I was waiting in horror for this chapter about Lydia to be shown, but it didn't turn out to be as creepy as in the book. Whether it was due to the music, or the color correction... the emotions were completely different.…
It's been 6 episodes already, and there's a little bit of a feeling that people are trampling on the spot.
when they write that Lydia is an ambiguous character , that's who she is, but she's pretty 'unambiguous' there's nothing good about her , even here in the flashback they showed how she defected pretty quickly, figuring out how to survive and pulled the trigger without any particular emotion, shooting at the one with whom some other- that time ago, we shared pieces of bread and shared memories
0 sympathy, what happened at the end of the Maid looked stupid and taken from nowhere to somehow whitewash her, but no, Lydia also participated very much in the formation of this system, in a lot of bullying , I will never be able to understand and empathize with her in any way.
@MargoRose: there was a misfire, as I understood it, and this is a woman from her school, who also became an aunt. Wasn't Aunt Vidala the woman Lydia hadn't shot?
@vbkb: According to the book, she did not shoot at Aunt Vidal, but at another woman. And I was pretty sure I'd shot her. Commander Judd told her much later that the cartridge was empty.
@vbkb: And I didn't say that I shot... I said that I shot. Why do you say you don't? If so, Lydia pulled the trigger, it was clearly shown.
and about Vivien(?)/Vidala I meant that yes, they were colleagues at work (they 'shared common memories' - about coffee, for example), but it's unclear if they were close . I singled out the moment at the stadium, because it was then that they showed their rapprochement, how scared they both were, etc.
and it also seemed to me that there was no cartridge initially, because again, the moment of the shot was very clearly shown from the angle where the bullet should have come out, but there was nothing.
I don't think they prepared any Garth for Agnes as her aunt's husband, because the red line through the series is humility, inconvenience, and patience and fear imposed on women from above.
It's interesting to discover the backstory of Lydia and Vidala, I can't even imagine what the women at the stadium experienced, fear, pain, awkwardness, despair, humility, anger😢
Teaching these girls how to cook tough meat. Beat it off with a hammer, marinate it and then it will soften.
I don't like the very institution of aunts, but they don't have a choice either, how did Vidala get classified as an aunt, so she's so cute to me, could she pass for a wife or a maid? Young🤔
I'm waiting to see which of the plums gets which of these old bastard commanders.
There are also thoughts that Garth could be deliberately planted by any of Agnes' girlfriends, just not her, but they can also bring her together with Agnes so that she is as committed to the system as possible and does not even think towards rebellion, like June…
I remember being bombed by Lydia's flashback in PC, but then they made it even worse, although it would seem :^) God bless Ann Dowd, an amazing actress, it's a pity that her character was eventually molded into something.
Hulda is so naive, just like a child, compared to the rest. I feel sorry for her. Her future husband will surely break her. When they showed Lydia's past, my teeth were already gritting. It did not directly show actions on orders, but rather the personal hostility of all men towards women, given the brutality with which they grabbed, beat, humiliated, and killed them. They were literally all offended by the feminine gender there.
And judging by what Lydia said about comfort and pampering, Agnes won't get a simpa bodyguard. In general, it's funny that there is a very, very big problem with fertility, and instead of providing comfort and better conditions for conception and bearing a fetus, they do everything exactly the opposite so that it is psychologically impossible to do it. He is under constant stress, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do that, you can't do that. And when you can't give birth there a couple of times, you can be replaced with one or two. And still worry about it. It seems to me that Gilead, at least for men, is generally purple for offspring. Most of them literally have it written on their faces how they would fuck all these young girls. And that's the best case scenario. There are few people who are really trying to do something, to be a family man, worried about their child (if any), for their wife. Give the rest - entertainment and power.
The most interesting episode of the season so far. Maybe because of the flashbacks, or maybe because watching the series from the perspective of a rather ambiguous familiar character was more interesting)) teenage girls, of course, have a hard time living in Gilead, but in previous episodes, the most pressing and pressing topic is menstruation)) I still can't figure out Aunt Lydia, but I think she's connected to Mayday, and I don't think she'll ever let go of her guilt over Janine.
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98Lydia in the flashbacks here is different from the flashbacks of the PC. That Lydia already held Gilead views. Here, Lydia is an ordinary person who completely does not understand what is happening and is scared, whereas in MS, she actively used the system to destroy a single mother whom she considered "unworthy." Her quick wit in talking to Judd could have suited both versions, so I don't understand the change in her backstory.
In any case, no matter how many of Aunt Lydia's backstories they bombarded us with, I would never love her.
"She's the daughter of a maid, there's no shame
in that—not an ordinary maid."
June Osborne, they're still talking about you, you're a legend.
I wonder if Aunt Lydia has appointed Garth as a husband for Hannah? Could she have cheated on the documents? Anyway, things always go wrong in Gilead, so I wouldn't be surprised if the worst happened.
Where Aunt Lydia's background was changed for some reason.
And they got fucked up.
And I don't quite understand how the events of the last series of PC didn't come out.
And Lydia remained in the system.
This is indirectly indicated by the fact that at the end of the MS she was able to give Janine her daughter - that is, she had the mechanisms to do it.
What June has been telling us about since the first seasons of MS.
And one of them would have reported it.
I am sure that the loss of such a big city as Boston was dealt with at all levels.
But most likely, the creators of the PC simply ignored these inconsistencies.
And they shifted them onto the shoulders of the creators of the "Testaments".
Just like with Aunt Lydia's ridiculous backstory in the series.
Where a man did not want her and she urgently decided to rush to the "Sons of Jacob".
Although, at that time there was already a book on "Testaments". And it was possible to shoot normally, as it was intended by the author.
The serial Lydia did a lot of things that even for the sake of self-preservation and conspiracy could not be done.
And her abrupt reversal in the last episode looked unconvincing.
Although the actress tried very hard.
It seems to me that there are two options: either Lydia added Garth to the list of Agnes, but Vidal somehow manipulates it and he won't be there. Or Lydia added Garth this season, but for a different girl. Well, either Garth wasn't added this season.
Because I still don't understand Lydia, a very complex and unpredictable character.
It would still seem logical that she keeps a diary and collects some information.…
> they are clearly trying to show that she was much younger when the coup began
She's 58 years old at the time of the flashback. Her age was announced when Commander Judd read her dossier.
It seems that Becca is being married to Garth. (maybe this is how to teach Agnes a lesson) ...Aunt Lydia said that it is better not to have girlfriends, and we were paid attention to the relationships and actions between friends
It's a pity Penny, it's the third time to go through this ((
In Gilead, they worry about white teeth, perfect posture, manners, and the possibility of girls becoming mothers, but no one cares about the psychological state!
1 comment "so they're all the maids' children there, well, except Becky."
I'm relying on the fact that Agnes is June's daughter, not from the commander, but before Gilead was created. In connection with the first comment, it turns out that all the children except Becky are the children of the maids before Gilead. Hence the question, whose Becca is it? For example, the native daughter of stomatolag before Gilead?
But the question is settled, the answer is below
The episodes about how Gilead began, what's here, what's in the RS are the most frightening.
and now it's clear why she and Vidala have such a tense relationship
You can't forget that.
It seems to me that the commander's wife and the housekeeper are basically not bad roles if the husband is normal. I wouldn't say no to Nick, let's say)
In the episode where June hid in the house of a family with a child, she also mentally reasoned that this is how it turns out that people live economically. Apparently, their settlements are located in the suburbs, closer to the factories.
The main feature of economy is the independent performance of household duties and the combination of the roles of maid, wife and Martha for her husband. Eden moved in with Nick, did all the housework herself in their apartment, and also helped the Waterfords. She didn't have her own martha.
The Ochi is a secret organization. Nick didn't cover it publicly, and only later did June admit it. It didn't affect his rank in any way, most people didn't know who he really was at all. At the time of his wedding to Eden, he was just a security guard and a driver living in an apartment on the territory of his commander's house.
I looked at the Fandom, indeed, it says that economy women are the wives of economy men and guardians. Then it's strange that June reacted as if she had seen how they lived for the first time.
So she was mistaken, thinking that the guardians had a higher position.
And as for the siren, they cut off her finger for a reason, but because she went against her husband, and in a big way. Fred was the supreme commander, he couldn't ignore it....that is, in principle, if you behave normally, do not arrange any sabotage, then as a wife you can feel quite normal there, I think so.
I'm not particularly impressed by the role of the aunt. They are responsible for all the maids, and if something is wrong, then questions are always for them. In this role, no one should be pitied, if the maid causes a riot, the aunt must come up with and carry out a good punishment with her own hands. Either you or you…
Martha is a heterosexual woman under the age of 50 who is infertile but has no sins. They did not have abortions, they did not commit adultery (and we also remember that according to Gilead, only the first marriage is considered legitimate, all the rest is adultery). I will assume that these are women without higher education, former salesmen, cashiers, cooks, etc.
Aunts are a criterion like Martha's, but with higher education, domineering, devoted to the ideas of Gilead. Judging by the series, former teachers, military personnel, etc
. About the maids - not quite so. If a woman is married and not sinful, she continues to live with her family, these are economic people, simply workers. Maidservants are women who have given birth, but are sinful, and who must atone for their sin by serving Gilead.
After all, June became a servant because she was an adulteress- her marriage to Luke was not recognized by Gilead. Luke had a first wife, and only this marriage was considered legal, and with the adulteress June, Luke lived in sin, and Hannah was born in sin, respectively. Janine is also an adulteress and a harlot, as she gave birth to a son out of wedlock. Emily is a gender traitor, Gilead denies her same-sex marriage, and if it weren't for the child, she would have been shot at the stadium. Like Moira, a lesbian who gave birth for the sake of money. Or there was a black maid who fell into a coma - she was a drug addict and a prostitute.
And I also just thought that in both series there are absolutely no older women over 60 (well, except Aunt Lydia). Apparently, they were also disposed of, shot or exiled to colonies.
By the way, in the book "The Handmaid's Tale" they got rid of all blacks, calling them the children of Boors. Logically, with such a Nazi ideology, Gilead would have gotten rid of colored people, but in the series, the creators did not dare to do that.
And how do they get information about all the women? How do they know who the lesbians are, which marriage is their first or hundredth?
Information? I assume that they also have access to all information, documents + social networks + interrogations of friends, colleagues and neighbors.
A terrible, brutal sweep was apparently
The fact that aunts are allowed to read and write has been clear since the RS, where they compiled the affairs of the maids. But they also smoke and drink (although Agnes scolded her guardian that smoking was forbidden). Moreover, even the commanders are afraid of aunts, they have the power to put them on trial, chop off a hand, etc
. The scenes at the stadium are heartbreaking, like watching Schindler's List or another Nazi movie: these boxes of sorted things, the supposedly kind guard with his "you'll get your stuff back later", the order to shoot your own a friend. It's just terrible, today you live your usual life, and tomorrow you're being driven like cattle into this medieval patriarchal hell.
Knowing Aunt Lydia, Agnes won't get her Garth. Most likely, he will be given to Becca, which will be the best option for her - he will not rape her.
The scenes at the stadium are not about the Nazis, but about the military coup in Chile in 1973, while there was a concentration camp at the national stadium in Santiago (people were kept in the stands) and shot on the field. Atwood generally writes his books like this: everything is mixed from reality, and historically fresh.
I have written only about what I have associations with. And what inspired Atwood, only she knows.
Well, what inspires Atwood is not only known to her — she openly talks about her method.
I didn't seem to say that Atwood was an allusion to the Nazis. and nothing else. You've seen something else, and you have every right to do so (we're not in Gilead yet).
I don't really understand the meaning of this discussion, to be honest.
Precisely because she held a great position as a judge.
And she's used to deciding people's fates.
And here she asked for it.
It's been 6 episodes already, and there's a little bit of a feeling that people are trampling on the spot.
, that's who she is, but she's pretty 'unambiguous'
there's nothing good about her
, even here in the flashback they showed how she defected pretty quickly, figuring out how to survive
and pulled the trigger without any particular emotion, shooting at the one with whom some other- that time ago, we shared pieces of bread and shared memories
0 sympathy, what happened at the end of the Maid looked stupid and taken from nowhere to somehow whitewash her, but no, Lydia also participated very much in the formation of this system, in a lot of bullying
, I will never be able to understand and empathize with her in any way.
I said that I shot.
Why do you say you don't? If so, Lydia pulled the trigger, it was clearly shown.
and about Vivien(?)/Vidala
I meant that yes, they were colleagues at work (they 'shared common memories' - about coffee, for example), but it's unclear if they were close
. I singled out the moment at the stadium, because it was then that they showed their rapprochement, how scared they both were, etc.
and it also seemed to me that there was no cartridge initially, because again, the moment of the shot was very clearly shown from the angle where the bullet should have come out, but there was nothing.
I don't think they prepared any Garth for Agnes as her aunt's husband, because the red line through the series is humility, inconvenience, and patience and fear imposed on women from above.
It's interesting to discover the backstory of Lydia and Vidala, I can't even imagine what the women at the stadium experienced, fear, pain, awkwardness, despair, humility, anger😢
Teaching these girls how to cook tough meat.
Beat it off with a hammer, marinate it and then it will soften.
I don't like the very institution of aunts, but they don't have a choice either, how did Vidala get classified as an aunt, so she's so cute to me, could she pass for a wife or a maid? Young🤔
I'm waiting to see which of the plums gets which of these old bastard commanders.
When they showed Lydia's past, my teeth were already gritting. It did not directly show actions on orders, but rather the personal hostility of all men towards women, given the brutality with which they grabbed, beat, humiliated, and killed them. They were literally all offended by the feminine gender there.
And judging by what Lydia said about comfort and pampering, Agnes won't get a simpa bodyguard. In general, it's funny that there is a very, very big problem with fertility, and instead of providing comfort and better conditions for conception and bearing a fetus, they do everything exactly the opposite so that it is psychologically impossible to do it. He is under constant stress, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do that, you can't do that. And when you can't give birth there a couple of times, you can be replaced with one or two. And still worry about it. It seems to me that Gilead, at least for men, is generally purple for offspring. Most of them literally have it written on their faces how they would fuck all these young girls. And that's the best case scenario. There are few people who are really trying to do something, to be a family man, worried about their child (if any), for their wife. Give the rest - entertainment and power.
I still can't figure out Aunt Lydia, but I think she's connected to Mayday, and I don't think she'll ever let go of her guilt over Janine.