s01e05 — Ball

@lilbit: and until the grooms died waiting for their wives.

I shuddered from the moment in the hall, where first the men danced, and then the pension fund went out to the girls.

@MOPE_AHAHACOB: and where did the wives of this pension fund go? usually, on the contrary, men die, women stay)) So many commanders don't have wives, and by the way, it's strange that Gilead doesn't take care of children's health and doesn't drown boys + girls for normal marriages.

@torture: if Gilead had done everything right, it would have been a utopia, not a dystopia) I think the very fact of fertility is important to them, men can produce offspring for a long time. Of course, the fact that their health is not checked and they can drink alcohol in general, but God forbid a drop falls into the mouth of the girls, says a lot about this "state", and their wives, by the way, could have been hanged/exiled for "arousing the guard" or something like that, remove it because I haven't been pregnant for a long time, in short, there are many options…

@torture: In the original series, the girls were chosen and they became mothers with existing wives. Here, too, the families of pensioners were not shown, and the problem of their world is the general infertility, which is why there are no wives, but they are looking for young, docile, healthy girls.

@karinabuzia: Yes, she's had a canteen for a long time, even by Gilead standards.

@MOPE_AHAHACOB: well, the actress aunt Lydia is already 70, it's probably hard to act ((So, probably, there would have been a central character further, she would not have burned like a child)

@an_khv: it is clear that the child was already Nika, but still in Gilead they thought otherwise.

@sailor_gingerpie: Oh my God, yeah! Exactly the same! Thanks for reminding me.

@sailor_gingerpie: Oh, man, I hadn't even noticed the commissary before. 😅

@sailor_gingerpie: very similar, but not the same young actress)

@kot_nastya: I'm aware that this is not Emily Carey, it's just very similar in appearance and unrequited love for Rainier)))

@sailor_gingerpie: Yes, I've written more for others.

@bvvvvvvvvvvv: Well, it's a pretty common story about girl commanders. Remember the painting "Unequal Marriage" by Pukirev, hanging in the Tretyakov Gallery. Considering that Gilead is shifting such plots into modern times, it is more than enough. Farts want young blood) it's clear

As for an adult guy + 13-14, he is most likely 20 years old, and by Gilead standards this is just normal, and in reality this often happens. Only girls are closer to 15-16, and the latter usually hang themselves and actively seek out non-peers.

@torture: in life, it was different, it happens and it will be. my comment is about the fact that I am very confused that the 13-20 relationship is presented as a good alternative to the 13-50 relationship, and also confused that some viewers openly ship and seem to support such a relationship.

@llllllllllex: Hannah is 16. she was 5 when Gilead took her away, RS covers 7 years, plus another 4 between RS and the Testaments.

@violetq_: According to the book, Agnes (Hannah) is over 20 years old (like 22-23), and Daisy (Nicole) is just 15 years old.
They have a difference of 8 years, Agnes (Hannah) was already about 3-4 years old when she was taken away from her parents (June and Luke)
And Daisy (Nicole) was born in Gilead to June and Nick about 8 years later.

And, as I understand it, they don't have their periods like everyone else in the ordinary world at 11-12, but they all have different ones, up to the age of more than 20 years.
Because infertility and all the usual laws of the female body don't work all over the world.

According to the series, of course, they all look the same age + I found an article that Daisy is not Nicole in the series ("Franchise creator Bruce Miller confirmed that Daisy from the series is not Nicole."), although in the book Daisy = Nicole.
And in the series Daisy and June are very similar + the words from June herself that Daisy's dead parents are not her relatives.
Strange, of course

I wonder how they'll do it in the series, based on the book or not.

@violetq_: many people already have no spermatozoa left, or as it is correctly called, that is, in fact, it is one continuous violence and no children in the end, sick freaks

@Ittanni: Epstein's files in that world

@Ittanni: that's it! What's the point of marrying girls to old men if they're already infertile. The maids won't help either. Therefore, the red line here is not "everything for the sake of children," but "everything for the pleasure of men."

@Znata: check men for infertility? NO
Blaspheme women for their inability to give birth to infertile children? YES

@Aggie: well, by the way, yes, considering that Gilead allegedly drowns for children, it was necessary to initially include an annual medical checkup with men, right at the Legislative level) right from the 1st day. Lawrence wasn't about pleasure, he seemed like a normal guy. But probably in reality, the top of Galada would have taken a bite and wrapped up this bill.

@Znata: and it seems that Serena also said that Fred is infertile, but in Gilead, no one would think that a man is to blame, they are well done by default.

@torture: so it's across the batka: according to the official interpretation of the regime, "infertile men do not exist, there are only infertile women." This is enshrined in Gilead law.

@Annie10792: Well, 120 years ago it was like that in the real world. and in some countries it still is.

@miscellaneous: Yeah, that's the thing, it's not that far away from us.…

@ElllaDee: Pahaha, well, that's what I call it on purpose, I have this little pump under the sink at home.🤣

@abullycanreally: I also have a problem. Where do they get new souzhanok? Those who were forcibly driven to Gilead have already reached childbearing age, and the children who were given to Commander families are given to commanders as wives, regardless of whether they are fertile or not.

@Znata: The maid caste was originally created as a temporary measure - many new children would be born, new girls were planned to be raised according to new laws (actually, as in the "testaments"), and there would be no need for maids. therefore, if they remained at the beginning of this series, then very few.

@Znata: Not everyone came out: Gilead is only 10 years old, the youngest maids are now 28-30.
Do you also remember the episode where June hid a black houseman? His wife also told June off so arrogantly, saying how can you give up your child. It's like she did it voluntarily. So, the man was hanged, the boy was given up for adoption, and the wife was made a servant.
And also that young wife of the elderly commander on the farm, she was also made a servant as punishment.
Therefore, under any far-fetched pretext, a woman can be made a servant, and her child can be taken away. And if at first women who gave birth were offered a choice: to become a maid or go to labor camps, now they hardly give a choice, as it seems to me.

@_Mia_Wallace_: Tell us (those who have read) and the books explain why the same women who can give birth, on the contrary, were not exalted? After all, as if it were possible to make the same Gilead, only instead of handmaidens, there are privileged holy women from whom dust motes are blown away. In addition, it is more convenient when all the children born remain in the same family and at least no accidental incest occurs further for the benefit of the same healthy demographic.

@bvvvvvvvvvvv: as far as I remember, there is no such explanation. But it is not customary to exalt women in Gilead, they are illiterate servants or accessories.

@Znata: Come on, the pearls are coming to them. Maids are probably also obtained from visitors. Maybe there are some illegal supplies from other countries. It's just not on the same scale now as before, but now there are probably more fertile wives.
Well, I'm not insisting, I'm just thinking out loud)

@llllllllllex: those who, in their opinion, are sinners, were made servants. I've been married for the second time, for example, had an abortion in the past, or something like that. Plus, there were already families of commanders who were infertile, and apparently they wanted their own children. So we found this loophole from the Bible.

@kot_nastya: Yes, but when Marfa gets too old, she is sent to a penal colony, where she dies.

@stellary: Is that for sure? It just doesn't make sense, why doesn't she continue to take care of the house until she dies…

@kot_nastya: What if she's already frail, walks with a stick, or can't get up at all? They'd rather find a young one in her place.
It says so on the fandom website

@stellary: It is also important to add that the founders were mentally tortured to get them to agree.

@Znata: Yeah, right off the bat, "how do you plan to fulfill your marital duty," not "how do you plan to love your husband and how do you see your family")) such a question is of course stupid)) what should she say? I wonder)