The congressman is like this: ahaha, they abandoned digital technologies. Although he did not choose this minivan, and perhaps it was not by chance that he got it with remote access.
Come on, an evil AI controlling everything? Well, let's not do that, please :There is also such a feisty AI that can take control of an almost analog 2015 Toyota Sienna, in which there is not even adaptive cruise or lane keeping, in other words, systems capable of turning the steering wheel.… But at least it became more logical why Bernard was saved in the story. And from the very moment they said about collecting artifacts, and even earlier, when they showed the Sims kid with the candy bowl, it was clear that everything was leading to her, but I thought I would have to drag Juliet to the kid. Or the kid to her. And everything was made simpler.
@shubkin: maybe, of course, they even removed the Toyota badge, because they didn't pay them, but first they show us nanobots (?) that gnaw planes on old gadgets * (or were they new, I was already confused in their speeches), and then Donny takes the most untraceable * (in his opinion) a wheelbarrow for cash according to an advertisement on a pole, which something suddenly begins to control. It seems to me that if they wanted to show normal control over the systems, they would have taken something like a Tesla, some kind of electric pipe, and at the same time they would have climbed into the ecovest column.… Although, maybe I'm just thinking too much about them, and they just didn't even care :D
Oh, let's go. It's funny, when Sims and Juliet get up and chat at the end, you can see the inscription 110 floor. After 30 seconds of continuous dialogue on the stairs, they climb a couple of steps and stand at 95) Well, if this AI chooses optimal scenarios for survival, then it is very strange that he chose the judge and the head of IT in the same family. It's as if it's obvious that there will be a conflict of interests and such important people should be chosen as the most unrelated to each other. I wonder who steals the lamps and fuck the lamps for 50 years ahead.
@oja: Why the fuck are people stealing billions? You can't spend so much money for 5 lifetimes ahead, because human nature can. My grandfather, working as a director of a shipbuilding company, told me that they carry everything they can, boards, iron, tools, even at a high-security enterprise they find ways to steal something, why? Because "you're not a guest at work, at least take the nail away."..
I kept expecting that on some artifact there would be a scene of Nichols standing with his arms outstretched and hundreds of memories flying into her one after another. Well, that's almost what happened. Well, this is just the most cliche cliche)
Congratulations to everyone on completing the amnesia line! Good episode! It looks much better without constantly moving from the past to the future and back. I wonder why someone would need light bulbs for 50 years ahead, but Orla's boyfriend/The old shadow is clearly involved. Knox was released too quickly after what he had done. All the groups have gathered! And Sims' company, and Kyle, and the Outsiders, and Juliette and the mechanics, only the sheriff is not enough for a full set, but he has his own line. I'm waiting for you at 17!!!
Actually, it would be good for the sheriff to come to Jules right now and start doing something with bunker 17. maybe they'll cooperate and get the light bulbs out of there.
@FirstAidKit: I thought the same thing when they said that the light bulbs were left for 2 years) all that remains is to fix the Destruction Protocol, pump out the water in the 17th at least to the supply depot and hope that the door to it was closed or at least the trunks are hermetic)
If only all the episodes were like this))) Who needs these light bulbs anyway? as I understand it, they are special-purpose for a farm, such as phyto-luminaries. I think they grow a plan there))) somewhere on the floors
I'm happy with season 3 as a whole, with a more dynamic and interesting narrative, but everything is comprehended in comparison with seasons 2. I'm waiting for the next episodes, and it's only half the season! PS: oh, there was an era, 20-25 episodes per season and almost no filler episodes!
@ArtchibalD: because the first two seasons are the first book, and now each book is for a season...
Yes, there was no such era, we were just less sophisticated in TV series, in every series with 23-24 episodes per season (standard TV season) there were at least 10 absolute fillers, because while the first episode was shown on TV, the seventh was filmed, and the fifteenth was just starting to be written at a crazy pace. Hence all the episodes-memoirs, episodes about minor characters (the main actor left to shoot his cooking show and was unavailable for two weeks), as well as a vertical plot, when the episodes are connected with each other by a couple of lines, and otherwise independent stories (so that if anything, they can be swapped with editing). I remember how Person of Interest got only 13 episodes in the last season (because Jonathan Nolan was already writing Westworld with one hand and wanted to get rid of the series as soon as possible) instead of 24, and it turned out to be the best season, because I didn't have to spread the plot for a whole year, giving out two plot suggestions per episode
@poroknya: Any santabarbara and similar series would have ended in 2-3 episodes, and there they stretch for 1000. By the way, this also works in real life, but people often get offended and start to cheat at the same time.
Oh, this series. for half a season, the snot was wrapped around a fist, and then for 1 episode, they rushed forward, as much as the hair back)) They also showed how Juliette became mayor. Many people have asked themselves this question.
Well, here are the explanations for why the serial Jules was made mayor. As for me, everything is logical) Then they whispered to the crowd. And when she had already woken up and did not remember anything, it would be strange to give a back story: a new riot would begin. She doesn't remember anything – it's convenient to control her)
There was little modern line and it was just good! They fit well into the series finale.
By the way, I had already forgotten about this George myself. 😆
That's our whole group assembled)
In general, they first had to disperse the plot and add mysterious events, so it's good that they didn't drag it out beyond episode 5)
Well, thanks to them, they gave clear answers to a lot of questions and, according to the law of the genre, they added new ones like light bulbs and a congressman's car.
The only episode in the series where Judge Simms' actor was prescribed clear lines and it was interesting to watch him, because he had such a pompous face the whole series, but everything he did or said was dreadfully depressing.
The series is super! But one question: they have camera technology there, even hidden cameras, which they regularly repair. There are techies. Maybe it would be worth at least trying to install one in a warehouse with critical light bulbs? In general, no one was even worried that even when the number of lamps was reduced to 50 years, that is, well, for one generation of the bunker still
@llnachtigall: Who needs specific lamps at all? In that amount? Where can they store them in such volume? If these are critical strategic reserves, why is there such negligent access to them?
There's no logic here and there won't be, this is Santa Barbara, where everyone needs to take turns talking to each other in a cyberpunk basement setting. 🤷
Well, I wouldn't say that this is a movement, by the end of last season, a secret passage to another bunker was expected. And what happens if you dig through the mines too
Hell, they spent two and a half seasons mushing about this Pez, and it turned out to be a magical artifact that brings back all the memory... well, breeed...
@It_is_different: I'm giving a plus) but on the other hand, Camille is acting in the interests of the entire shelter, not one individual (Jules). That is, Sims is a tactician, and she is a strategist.😉
@sunshine_lika: At the same time, season 4 of "From the Outside" has 2+ times more views on MS than season 3 of "Shelter". So it's definitely still much more popular in Russia. Here, for sure).
@Hidji: maybe it's more popular in Russia as a whole; I just compared the dynamics of the series and the general impression of fans who write here: "here, the next episode has passed and nothing has happened." For me personally, both Outside and Shelter are great series with a good plot, and something happens in each episode, the episodes are not boring.
@sunshine_lika: pay attention to the number of comments. "From the outside" is also one of the most discussed series of the service, with all the whining about boredom))). I also watch both series, and I'm not unhappy, although yes, they are the ones where the first season is more involved.
That's the expected "leap," they answered the question of why Jules became mayor, okay. If artifacts can unlock all the memories, it means they've been sitting there for a while, so this generation still has something to unlock... did the evil Ai enslave everyone?
For some reason, I don't believe Sims, although the character really has lines with meaning for the first time in the series, and I'm not going to pull it through your eye. The guy was just offended that his "gray mouse" turned out to be the chosen one, and their local Alice sent him. He's an asshole and a opportunist, he just keeps his nose in the wind, with his experience, he can break bones and the new government will keep him to itself, someone always needs to break bones, that's the nature of power. If Camille turns everyone over now, she'll defect to her. In general, the "amazing" trust between spouses in marriage is just not marriage, but the name day of the heart.
Yes, is the plot really moving somewhere?! I'm still very confused by the "follow the rules of the bunker at all costs, even if you have to kill everyone" attitude, what kind of rules are these and which genius set them?
Wow, what a mess! It turns out that they're also running out of lamps... But how did they manage so many years before? Stealing doesn't do any good, of course, but how could this be allowed in strategic reserves? And what's the point of stealing lamps or anything else, since there's nowhere to take it anyway? It's really time for Juliette to remember everything they tried to erase with these idiotic pills. After all, it's already been half the season. I'm glad Sims is on her side, but I'd like to hear the promised radio contact with Bunker 17.
As for hacking a car from the line of the past, it seems that this is also all for a reason...
An evil AI? Is it Skynet again? The question is, how is an analog car remotely controlled? It would be nice to have a modern Chinese who knows how to park himself, who has lidar, and hacking is at least theoretically possible there. And here's a Toyota?! Seriously, Toyota?!!! I just laughed at that moment.😃
After episode 5, a thought arose that, I think, explains the series better than the literal reading.
What if a Silo is not so much a place as a model of human consciousness?
Then many elements get a second, symbolic meaning.
* A silo is a closed model of reality in which a person lives. We do not perceive the world directly, but through memory, experience, and beliefs. * Vault is a deep level of the psyche that is inaccessible to most people, but influences all decisions. * Memory is not just memories, but the foundation of personality. By changing memory, you can change a person, so it is memory that becomes the central theme of the season. Safeguard is an analogue of the protective mechanisms of the psyche. When new information threatens the integrity of the existing worldview, the system tries to suppress it. Juliet is a quest for knowledge that cannot stop even when the truth is dangerous. Bernard is a rational part of consciousness that preserves the stability of the system, because its destruction is perceived as a threat to its very existence.
If you look at it from this angle, the series begins to echo several philosophical traditions at once.
In Plato, people mistake shadows for reality. For Jung, the unconscious controls a person until it becomes conscious. In Buddhism, the familiar picture of the self is considered a construct, not an absolute reality. In modern cognitive science, there is a trend of predictive processing, according to which the brain continuously builds and refines an internal model of the world based on incoming data.
I'm not saying that's what the authors intended. But if you look at the series as a metaphor for consciousness, and not just as a story about survival, many plot elements suddenly begin to take shape into a single system.
Everyone is asking who steals the lamps? I have a question for you, how do you watch the series at all if you can't put 2+2 together? It was hinted to us in the series that Lucas, perhaps not only he, is digging tunnels into other bunkers. Is there any way to cover them?)
It's interesting with the lamps: they pump it up as if everything, two years and the end, the lost lamps have evaporated. It's like they grew legs and went to China on their own. But logically, they couldn't have pulled the lamp out through the top, it's impossible to store such a supply in a kennel. There are a couple of options left: either someone stored these lamps in the tunnels so that in a couple of years they would come out at the right moment and demand power in return for survival, or these very tunnels, which stretch to other bunkers, are now illuminated as well as Broadway) In any case, if desired, in two years the whole world can turn these tunnels upside down and find the missing. It wasn't into the furnace that their kidnappers dragged them, after all.
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92is also such a feisty AI that can take control of an almost analog 2015 Toyota Sienna, in which there is not even adaptive cruise or lane keeping, in other words, systems capable of turning the steering wheel.…
But at least it became more logical why Bernard was saved in the story. And from the very moment they said about collecting artifacts, and even earlier, when they showed the Sims kid with the candy bowl, it was clear that everything was leading to her, but I thought I would have to drag Juliet to the kid. Or the kid to her. And everything was made simpler.
@shubkin: maybe, of course, they even removed the Toyota badge, because they didn't pay them, but first they show us nanobots (?) that gnaw planes on old gadgets * (or were they new, I was already confused in their speeches), and then Donny takes the most untraceable * (in his opinion) a wheelbarrow for cash according to an advertisement on a pole, which something suddenly begins to control. It seems to me that if they wanted to show normal control over the systems, they would have taken something like a Tesla, some kind of electric pipe, and at the same time they would have climbed into the ecovest column.…
Although, maybe I'm just thinking too much about them, and they just didn't even care :D
Well, if this AI chooses optimal scenarios for survival, then it is very strange that he chose the judge and the head of IT in the same family. It's as if it's obvious that there will be a conflict of interests and such important people should be chosen as the most unrelated to each other.
I wonder who steals the lamps and fuck the lamps for 50 years ahead.
It looks much better without constantly moving from the past to the future and back.
I wonder why someone would need light bulbs for 50 years ahead, but Orla's boyfriend/The old shadow is clearly involved.
Knox was released too quickly after what he had done.
All the groups have gathered! And Sims' company, and Kyle, and the Outsiders, and Juliette and the mechanics, only the sheriff is not enough for a full set, but he has his own line.
I'm waiting for you at 17!!!
and it's so technical to change the shoes of a common, my respect, one of the best episodes in sirich in general!
Before that, all 4 episodes were very empty.
PS: oh, there was an era, 20-25 episodes per season and almost no filler episodes!
Yes, there was no such era, we were just less sophisticated in TV series, in every series with 23-24 episodes per season (standard TV season) there were at least 10 absolute fillers, because while the first episode was shown on TV, the seventh was filmed, and the fifteenth was just starting to be written at a crazy pace. Hence all the episodes-memoirs, episodes about minor characters (the main actor left to shoot his cooking show and was unavailable for two weeks), as well as a vertical plot, when the episodes are connected with each other by a couple of lines, and otherwise independent stories (so that if anything, they can be swapped with editing). I remember how Person of Interest got only 13 episodes in the last season (because Jonathan Nolan was already writing Westworld with one hand and wanted to get rid of the series as soon as possible) instead of 24, and it turned out to be the best season, because I didn't have to spread the plot for a whole year, giving out two plot suggestions per episode
By the way, this also works in real life, but people often get offended and start to cheat at the same time.
There was little modern line and it was just good! They fit well into the series finale.
By the way, I had already forgotten about this George myself. 😆
That's our whole group assembled)
In general, they first had to disperse the plot and add mysterious events, so it's good that they didn't drag it out beyond episode 5)
There's no logic here and there won't be, this is Santa Barbara, where everyone needs to take turns talking to each other in a cyberpunk basement setting. 🤷
Who needs these lamps anymore? selling to the left? another silo, if only. for example, the main sailo. That's right! or maybe not
well, breeed...
I'm still very confused by the "follow the rules of the bunker at all costs, even if you have to kill everyone" attitude, what kind of rules are these and which genius set them?
Stealing doesn't do any good, of course, but how could this be allowed in strategic reserves? And what's the point of stealing lamps or anything else, since there's nowhere to take it anyway?
It's really time for Juliette to remember everything they tried to erase with these idiotic pills. After all, it's already been half the season.
I'm glad Sims is on her side, but I'd like to hear the promised radio contact with Bunker 17.
As for hacking a car from the line of the past, it seems that this is also all for a reason...
with almost no tedious inserts from the past)
It was very cool to show the moment when Jules remembered.
What if a Silo is not so much a place as a model of human consciousness?
Then many elements get a second, symbolic meaning.
* A silo is a closed model of reality in which a person lives. We do not perceive the world directly, but through memory, experience, and beliefs.
* Vault is a deep level of the psyche that is inaccessible to most people, but influences all decisions.
* Memory is not just memories, but the foundation of personality. By changing memory, you can change a person, so it is memory that becomes the central theme of the season.
Safeguard is an analogue of the protective mechanisms of the psyche. When new information threatens the integrity of the existing worldview, the system tries to suppress it.
Juliet is a quest for knowledge that cannot stop even when the truth is dangerous.
Bernard is a rational part of consciousness that preserves the stability of the system, because its destruction is perceived as a threat to its very existence.
If you look at it from this angle, the series begins to echo several philosophical traditions at once.
In Plato, people mistake shadows for reality. For Jung, the unconscious controls a person until it becomes conscious. In Buddhism, the familiar picture of the self is considered a construct, not an absolute reality. In modern cognitive science, there is a trend of predictive processing, according to which the brain continuously builds and refines an internal model of the world based on incoming data.
I'm not saying that's what the authors intended. But if you look at the series as a metaphor for consciousness, and not just as a story about survival, many plot elements suddenly begin to take shape into a single system.
But logically, they couldn't have pulled the lamp out through the top, it's impossible to store such a supply in a kennel. There are a couple of options left: either someone stored these lamps in the tunnels so that in a couple of years they would come out at the right moment and demand power in return for survival, or these very tunnels, which stretch to other bunkers, are now illuminated as well as Broadway) In any case, if desired, in two years the whole world can turn these tunnels upside down and find the missing. It wasn't into the furnace that their kidnappers dragged them, after all.