s01e06 — Episode 6

@Ayana85: Well, I didn't get into your thoughts with Nastya, because I initially thought that there would be nothing so intriguing here. Everything seemed very clear. But now, after the murder (it's hardly an accident), I think the villain is someone we don't suspect at all.

Next, we'll see who P'Jane is. But so far, my thoughts on him haven't changed — he's hungry for justice, and maybe high on collecting debts, but not a punitive killer.

@InnSight:

There's also a murder in this episode...
we decided to change the dynamics altogether...

At first, there was an erotic/mystical thriller about the all-powerful tempter Pi'Jane...
Nastya and I, and NOT only we, I think, were wondering if he would take off on the wings of darkness or remain in human form.
He was so cool, everyone parted at the sight of him...
it seemed like he was solving EVERYTHING here.

In the last episode, it was as if we were hit on the back with a shovel, as if Jane Patrick was just an ordinary person, wounded, vulnerable...
But just before that, on the eve of the "little one", he was kneeling in front of him like a demon in a thunderstorm.

And in this series, apparently, they've already gone somewhere into detective...
Who's the killer...
As if the series was divided into blocks of 3-4 episodes and different scriptwriters wrote, setting their own tone.

Okay, let's see...

@Ayana85: I'm just having a terrible day. In the evening, the Internet also disappeared, I couldn't watch the episode normally. And so the mood is not very good, so also the new series "Don't be too emotional" made me specifically.🥹

@agaagaaga: Thank you for your generosity. But I'd rather protect Yana, at the cost of giving up such pleasure.

@Ayana85: Yes, he was deliberately hit by a car on a motorcycle. And the driver disappeared.

@NastyaM999:

Of course, we will believe in what Put wanted to say.:
"It's NOT PJ's fault..."
But he didn'T have time to finish his sentence.

I think there are very sharp transitions in this series...
For example, in "To my shore" we also saw Fan Xiao fall...
From a major heir to millions, he became a waiter picking up tips from the floor.
But it didn'T hit the audience so sharply on the head ...
After all, he was initially perceived as a human being, and different things happen to people...
Someone rises again, and someone does not.

And here Jane Patrick was presented as a mystical character or a shaman...
And since he is just an ordinary person, and even without protection, he walks around in public places, gets injured, that his doctor is already tired of "darning" him.

The relationship between Fan Xiao and Shulan was also very steep, and there was also kneeling...
from Fan with a mask on his face.

But, here it's all hypertrophied!
And now death is confused, and even more mysterious...

Why do I compare, because these are the 2 most captivating TV series "To my Shore" and this one.
For me, this is the pinnacle in the bl world today and the moment.
Maybe one day something even cooler will come, but so far these 2 series are the best for me.

But I DIDN'T get the feeling from Fan and Shulan that I'd been knocked on the head...

But here I have such a feeling.
Very drastic changes in the narrative.
To be honest, I DON'T like this twist...
although it's all a tasteful thing and maybe, on the contrary, it went more to someone.

@NastyaM999:

Such a bad mood after the episode.
I went to silently read people's opinions on other websites.

To my surprise, it's NOT very clear who's particularly upset about the Mix-up ...
We're almost all upset here, but on other sites people comment and there are few who were offended by the death of this character.

Everyone is upset, but because of the breakup of the two Jains, because of this.
And again, the voices of those who read the novel in English, that like Pi'Jane, the book contains a kind of "green flag".
And that's why the series has been exposing him for so long, I don't know who...
they're dragging their feet with explanations.

I met a very interesting opinion on one site, in contrast to all these opinions.
I'm quoting close to the text, that's about how a person writes.

"People, can't you read English at all? They sent me through the translator and DIDN't understand anything?!
At what point in Jane Patrick's novel did you suddenly see a "green flag"?
An absolute psychopath.

And this parting of his was calculated in advance by steps, he was NOT going to leave at all.
Purely manipulation.
Maybe in the series it will be played differently, and here the truth is a tragedy to the point of tears.
But in the novel, if you've actually read it, then all his steps are planned in advance.
And when he was shot, too.

If you can'T read English and you don't understand anything, then DON't talk about it.
Don't mislead people.
The real "red flag" is tricky in the novel.
Maybe it's different in the series, but according to the book, a psycho is a psycho."

A very interesting opinion.

@Ayana85: Well, we've already learned from experience: in the novel, the red flag can be quite a green flag in the series.

@InnSight:

Well, at least it was all real...
all these events and his tears, Jane Patrick's sincere emotions...

If it suddenly turns out that he is the second Hua Yunyong...Like in "ABO Desire" and just messing around.
Having calculated everything in advance, pretending to leave ...
But in fact, this manipulation of parting only gets more deeply embedded in the partner's consciousness and subconscious, gaining a foothold there ...
Then I'll say depressivity...

Although it wasn't Hua Yun from the very beginning, we were still shown later how he laughs on the sly, and pretends to cry in front of Shen.

And here, well, it can'T be like that...
they showed us one of the PJ's that he's really upset all over.

The only thing I DON'T understand is how you can "look at a book and see a fig"...
people read the same translation from Thai to English and tell completely different versions.

@Ayana85: Often, translations are made by enthusiasts, and everyone unwittingly passes the text through themselves, adding a touch of their own intonation. And the "broken phone" effect also works: one told something, the other guessed ‑ and now a completely different story has come out.

@InnSight:

I was switching on TV once, but I'm one of those people who still watches TV and respects it very much))
They showed some kind of our actress from modern TV series.

I was interested in her story about her childhood.
She says My sister and I are the weather, we lived in the same room, we grew up together.
It's not like there's one somewhere at Grandma's, the other is somewhere else.
Not together everywhere and everywhere.

But, the feeling that we lived on different planets...
our memories are radically different.
It seems to her that our father was drinking...
it doesn'T seem that way to me at all.
How could a normal guy drink on holidays, well, somewhere beer on weekdays.
An ordinary guy.
To hear her say it, he was drinking like that.

I think that our mother raised us adequately, well, she used to yell somewhere, so she poured it into the case.
My sister believes that our mother offended us, suppressed us, and often punished us for nothing.

If you listen to your sister, then your father is almost an alcoholic, and your mother is choleric and often screams for nothing just to scream.
My sister has some kind of grudge against her parents.
I have no hard feelings.
I think our family was the most normal, just like people.

Well, even if people live in the same apartment, they give radically different ratings in the same family.
Everyone sees TV shows and books with their own eyes, too.

Moreover, there are colorblind people.
For some, the red flag looks green...

@Ayana85: My sister and I also lived in the same room until we were 18. She's a year older than me. Now, if we talk about childhood, it seems that we had different parents and went to different schools. And we had friends in common, and when we talk about them, we're talking about different people.

@Ayana85: The perception of Robert and Jane Patrick may vary greatly among many viewers and readers. Especially considering that lakorn differs from the novella in many ways, my conclusion is based on their readers' stories.

Personally, I found Poot annoying at first, but lately he's looked sincere and very worried about Jane Jr. Yes, he is emotional and sometimes hysterical, but this is explained by his feelings and experiences. His apologies and feelings of guilt after conflicts with Jane Jr., his sincerity, were real, and it shows. And it seems to me that he is a completely normal person, with flaws of course, but with good intentions.

As for Jane Patrick, I've heard from readers of the novel that in the original he really is a complete psychopath and manipulator, but in lacorna I see that his image is softened and made more human, especially in his relationship with Jane Jr. Here he sincerely loves the younger one and leaves him not because of any pre-planned manipulations, but because he respects his request and does not want to cause pain. It's obvious that Maloy is not like everyone else for him. With him, he is real, with an open heart and soul. This means that in the novel and in lacorna Jane Patrick is depicted in different ways and differs significantly.

Plus, judging by the readers' stories, Lakorn's plot differs significantly from the novella — for example, in the novella Dan and Poot were a couple, but here they were confused, which highlights these differences, and this also proves that Jane Patrick is really not the same as in the novella, he was changed.

Jennali, in turn, realized his mistake after Jane Patrick's farewell letter and now he will definitely go to him to put up with it. He will make a lot of efforts to return their relationship and prove that he now trusts only him, and not all the rumors.

These are the opinions about Jane Patrick and Puta from the fact that people often look superficially, and even compare it with a novel. And in order to understand something properly and draw more logical conclusions, it is very important to try to look into the depths of Lacorn's characters and plot, and look at them as an independent work, and not just through the prism of a novel.

@InnSight:

And it's very good on the one hand that everyone has their own opinion.
Personalities were formed independently, NOT by merging others with others.

I know, for example, such a daughter and a mother, when there are 2 bodies, and the brain seems to be one ...
That's how the mother orders, so the daughter will dance ...
The girl is 23 years old, she won't even go without her mother to buy a blouse, suddenly her mother WON't approve.

It's great when opinions agree on something.
But when one person has simply absorbed the personality of another and they function as one, supposedly having the same opinion on everything, it's scary.

Everyone sees this world with their own eyes...
and the red flag is an extremely extensible concept...
Like everything in this world, it is a debatable issue...

Well, everything else is learned in comparison ...
for example, with someone, maybe I'm even a red flag ...
I'm rude and harsh against the background of some very nice girl.
But in a relationship with some psychopath...
so I'm already God's dandelion against her background))

That is, depending on who you run into...
even the greenest flag can be turned crazy and it will turn red.

And the red flag can get on an even bigger psycho and turn green against his background...

I wish Hua Yunechka was here in lakorn))
He would have put things in order))
And would have signed a contract with Jane Patrick such that Jane would have owed him something.
And the "little one" would have been taught to run and break up.
He would have twisted everything so much that the "little one" would have been running after him and apologizing for everything.

Even if PJ turns out to be crazy, it's because there aren't any other powerful red flags nearby.
They haven't seen real psychopaths yet.

@Ayana85: Yana, don't worry, Jane Patrick is really sincere towards Jane Jr. and it shows. His sincerity is literally visible in every frame. Jane Patrick really fell in love with the guy, completely opened his soul and heart to him, and took off all his masks of cruelty in front of him.

The final farewell letter is the peak of Pi Jane's sincerity and warmth. A cold-blooded person is simply physically incapable of such lines.

And the most important proof of Pi Jane's pure feelings is the violation of his own unshakable rule "Don't be too emotional" because of Jane Jr. He had never done this before. Stepping over his own principles, Jane Patrick proved that he has no place for manipulation in relation to small things, but only real, deep love.

@NastyaM999:

Yes, you're right - the story of Put shows that the novel and the series are radically different.

I think Jane and Patrick are different - there's a stranger in the novel...We don'T know him...

And here in Lakorn, our native
He's not messing around here.
It's all true.

Our city day has been postponed to the third Saturday in August.
It was first made this year on August 1st.
It's been a week of heat.
And how it started raining last night...
it still hasn't stopped for a minute, it's standing like a wall.
In general, you will NOT be able to go for a walk to distract yourself.
It's a pity to have sneakers, so it's possible under an umbrella, but the sidewalks have already begun to float again.
I thought at least I'd get distracted...

Honestly, some kind of disgusting impression from the series ...
Probably because I scolded Put very much and now I'm ashamed. 🥺
I criticized him, I DIDN'T trust him...
and he died once...
and I'm sorry.

Also, the painted Jane Patrick flying away actually finished me off...
well, that's how terrible the aftertaste of the series is...
I don't even know how to interrupt it.

We need to watch something powerful to shift the focus of attention to something else.

@Ayana85: It's raining. And we have a forty-degree heat, it's impossible to go outside. It would also take a little rain to cool off. It's crazy.

As for Lakorn, I'm still nervous about this episode. But I want to review this episode again, to look for some more clues. But I can't get it together, even if you take sedatives and drink them so that you don't feel sick a second time.

@NastyaM999:

Are you in Moscow?
It's just the letter M in your nickname.
I think maybe you, like me, have woven your name and year of birth into your nickname, or maybe even your city))

The whole Urals and neighboring regions have already flooded us all this summer, Tyumen is also floating...
In Central Russia, too, everything happens, but in general the climate is better, and the winters are warmer and the summers are hotter.

Nastya, you can decide for yourself, of course, but my advice is NOT to review this episode...

You know, I'd rather go watch my favorite Asian gay movie, Night Flight...
the director is openly gay, he has all the films on this subject.
This movie especially shocked me.
If I want to shake it up, I'll review it.
By the way, we need to look for it here or not for comments, if there is, then leave a review.

My advice to you is to switch your attention too, NOT to focus on this episode.
But, you decide for yourself.

@Ayana85: And as it turned out, I have woven 24 of my victories .

@Ayana85: Yana, M is the first letter of my last name. And the numbers are just a set. It's just that when I changed my nickname here, before that I was Anastasia, only in English, nothing accepted me: "such a nickname is busy, such a name is busy, there is such a thing, too." I freaked out and entered 999, the first thing that went through my head, 9 is my favorite number and three nines, in short. That's how it remains.

@Ayana85: Thank you for your advice. 🤗

By the way, what kind of movie is Night Flight? Is something interesting? We need to look for it. I'll take a look too.

@Ayana85: You've painted an interesting plot. So intriguing. Thank you very much. I'll definitely take a look.

@Ayana85: Thanks again, Yana. I found this movie. If I found it right, then this is Korea, right? The description is similar to what would be described here. I'll be watching. And I hope the end isn't bad, though?

@Ayana85: Speaking of which, lakorn. I'm sitting here thinking, they didn't show us the preview for the next episode. Does this mean that some kind of surprise awaits us next, that lakorn is reaching its climax? Something is coming there that will surprise us, or hurt us even more. As I understand it, Put's death was a turning point in Lakorn. Probably a third party will be discovered, the one who is actually a psychopath.

Everything revolved too much around Jane Patrick for all six released episodes. First the rumors, then the victims themselves, who are essentially to blame, then Jet's debts, which clearly superficially point to Jane Patrick, but it was beneficial to him, so that Jane Jr. would come to him and get hooked. And now there's the murder of a Prostitute, some rich man's car hit him, again a setup so that all the arrows point to Jane Patrick, who is already mired in dirty rumors and dark deeds.

Everything points too much to Jane Patrick, everything is too smooth to just suspect and accuse him. These are obvious hints that there really is a third party that Jane Patrick crossed the road. And so far, I've only seen Dan. Dan needs Jane Jr., and Jane Jr. has fallen in love with Pi Jane. And Dan has already tried to separate them and make Pi Jane look like a demon in the eyes of the younger, but he failed. Maybe he's acting tougher now to show the kid what a monster Jane Patrick is? And for this, Dan didn't even hesitate to kill his own friend Put. They were friends.

And it also seems to me that when Poot came to Jane Jr. for the second time to make peace, just before his death, he clearly wanted to tell the kid something, his whole appearance was just talking about it, just shouting: "We must warn him! I must tell you!" And then maloy ignored him and he just wrote a message apologizing.

And in the hospital, before he died, I don't think Put blamed Pi Jane for anything when he mentioned him. He probably just wanted to tell Jane Jr. what he was going to say when he came to make up, even before the accident. Poot probably found out something and they didn't let him tell the truth. They removed the witness, and even clearly brought the arrows to Jane Patrick in order to blame him for everything.

@NastyaM999:

The finale is debatable...
depending on who's watching...

An optimist will say that they have a chance of a normal future.
A pessimist will say that it is unlikely...

It was directed by a director who knows firsthand what it's like when many people in the team found out about your orientation and DIDN'T accept it.

They have such a notorious high-rise there ...
Where young frustrated people go at the peak of despair...
But someone like our main character will just stand on the top floor there and still go back home, deciding that he will fight and not just break down under the pressure of external circumstances.

@Ayana85: I understood that there is not a fairy-tale ending, but a more realistic one, which such a "forbidden" relationship can have.

Anyway, I'll see what's in there. In any case, I didn't lose interest. Thank you again.🤗

@NastyaM999: The ending will just flatten you. Just like the whole movie. (I'm sorry, I'm not a pessimist, but that's the way it is.)

@NastyaM999:

Yes, this series is a point of NO return...
divided the series into BEFORE and AFTER...

Someone will say that it was more interesting.
But for me, honestly, it's like a crack on the screen...
other images may show, but it will never look the same as it did with the whole screen.

For example, I dropped "Love in Shiloh" altogether after the murder of blonde Sky.
I still haven't finished it, I don't know what happened there.

Here, of course, I will NOT give up, but I will NOT catch that vibe as before...

And yes, there was NO preview, which is generally disturbing...

@InnSight:

Oh, you've been watching Night Flight.
This director's films are all about life and all about gay themes.

Is he going to leave a comm here?

@Ayana85: He doesn't seem to be here. Well, let's add it now.

Actually, I found it.:
https://en.myshows.me/movie/106376/

@InnSight:

Oh, you know how to add movies here!
If you can, then let Nastya be the first to comment on the fresh emotions of watching.
We'll join you.

This director doesn't have many films, but they take everything by the heart...
that's the guy who knows what he's shooting about.

@Ayana85: Yes, the girls and I are adding almost all new items here. Especially Chichen, she even makes the cards herself. And the admins are already adding information from there. I've attached the link to the movie above.

@NastyaM999:

Nastya, I always enjoy your messages.
You and the word "bother" DON'T go together at all))

Of course, I won'T give up this series either and I WON'T stop loving it, and I've already given the whole series the highest rating, which I never usually do WITHOUT watching it.
And I'm not going to cancel it - the highest rating of the entire lakorn, although I DIDN't really appreciate this episode...

Everything has really changed, dividing this series into BEFORE and AFTER, becoming darker ...
And now other emotions are stirring, not those that were at the beginning.
But perhaps there is another twist waiting for us...
and a different emotional background will cover us in the next episode.

Due to the fact that the "Little One" is hot and quick to accuse his boyfriend, this is on the one hand his joint.

I would be offended by such a partner myself, as soon as he yells and accuses me of everything, even of crimes.

But, on the other hand, Pi'Jane has caught up with the fog around himself, he DOESN't explain anything, he has earned such a reputation in the university and everywhere...

That is, if I were in the place of the "Little One", I would also suspect and doubt everything.
But at the same time, if I were in PJ's place, I would be offended that my partner doesn't trust me so harshly.

That is, I understand both of them.
Their reactions.

"Don't be too emotional" is probably to temporarily suppress your emotions, and you'll feel sad and angry later.
Now come out somehow and look at the situation from the outside, like an investigator investigating a case.
After all, the investigator is NOT hysterical, but calmly collects evidence and analyzes it.

And also about trust - it's okay NOT to believe that your loved one is guilty of crimes in some way.
It's okay to support him/her while the investigation is underway, and even more so if he/she denies everything.

But sometimes it just pisses me off when EVERYTHING has already been proven, when a criminal like Cecotillo, for example, confessed and showed the crime scenes and the remains of the victims were dug up there.
And his wife has her own thing - you slandered him, you forced him.
I lived well with him, he's the best for me.
In the end, she admitted it in my opinion anyway.

Well, that's too much.
Like, I'm fine with this person in a relationship.
The main thing is that he treats me well, and I don't care what he does outside our apartment.

As shown by some of the adult children of the Nazis.
When they are asked about their parents, who held high positions in Germany at that time.
Then some of these grown-up children are standing up for protection.
Like:
"I had a good dad, he spoiled me so much, he gave me so many gifts.
I adore him and I don't blame him for anything.
I'm NOT interested in what he did at work there."

"At work" at the concentration camp...
they showed one such daughter, the main thing for her was that her dad gave her toys.
And she doesn't give a damn who he took the same dolls from, and so on.

Well, admit it, it's too much.
Fully stand up for your loved one, even if it is 100% proven and he does NOT deny that he is a maniac and so on.

But it's also NOT worth accusing without proof, or immediately attacking your loved one.

And the fact that both Jane's will find the real killer is 100%.
And maybe NOT all of the charges, but Jane Patrick's name will be cleared of most of the most serious ones.

@Ayana85: Agree. To fully defend a loved one, especially if there are obvious facts and evidence against him, and even more so if he himself admits guilt, this is too much.

As for Jane Jr., you know, I probably would have done the same thing, too, in a state of passion, from the pain of losing a friend, I would have said anything, in such a state I'm not up to talking, and I don't want to listen, and I'm not up to looking for sincerity either. I probably would have acted just as impulsively and would regret it later, especially after such a sensual letter, which radically changes the bad thoughts about a loved one.

But blaming death for nothing, based only on one's own guesses and the words of others, is cruel. I couldn't do that.

I understand Jane Jr., there are bad rumors around his loved one, he participates in dark deeds and does not want to get out of them, despite requests and tears, and all this is unsettling. Therefore, it is not surprising that Maloy acted so recklessly and impulsively. But I believe that he will fix everything.

I'm very sorry for Jane Jr., and especially Jane Patrick. It's simple to tears.The younger one did such a terrible thing to Jane Patrick: he trampled the sincerity, efforts and warm feelings of big Jane into the trash, and broke his heart into pieces, caused terrible pain. And even the youngest, when reading Pi Jane's farewell letter, realized his mistake. His tears and the Jane Patrick he painted flying away from his fantasies mean his own happiness broken by himself and the painful loss of a loved one because of his terrible mistake. And now Jane Jr. is suffering from a savage self-inflicted pain.

@NastyaM999:

Here it helps us NOT to get depressed knowing, our almost 100% confidence that they will reconcile and be together.

Although the series is at odds with the novel, we know from the reviews of readers that they will come together in the finale.
And the film is softer than the novel, and Jane Patrick's character is more human here.
Therefore, we have 99.9% out of 100% confidence that there will be a happy outcome here - they will reconcile and forgive each other everything.
And how hard it is now to look at their dramatic temporary breakup.

And if you imagine it would be a film - a hopeless drama ...
And they would break up on this ...
And neither we, the audience, nor the younger Jane would ever know what happened to Jane Patrick, how he lived and how long he lived after that breakup.

And if there is such a thing in real life...
to throw such unsubstantiated accusations of someone's murder in a person's face.
The man left with such a piercing farewell letter and never appeared again...
and no one knows his fate.
To live with such a burden on my heart...

There are many well-shot bl series that also raise serious topics and have drama in the plot.

But, this movie got under my skin so much...
I even hardly call it a cute familiar word - lakorn.
This is NOT a lacorn, it's like a full-scale serial saga, NOT just about two guys, but about trust issues in a relationship in general...
about how important public opinion is or how you need to listen to yourself and your intuition.
About family...
this has gone far beyond just a story about two guys and the complexities of their relationship.

In general, we are waiting with some fear for the next episode...
Now we are worried NOT only for the main characters, but also for all the minor characters...
As we understood, anything can happen to anyone here ...
In general, we expect

@Ayana85: You have such an amazing, in-depth commentary.I read it in one breath.

This lacorn is a true psychological drama about trust, mistakes and the price of public opinion. I, too, together with you, hold on only to this 99.9% confidence in the final reconciliation.

You're absolutely right: if this were real life, it would be unbearable to be left with such a load of unsubstantiated accusations. And being left heartbroken by your own mistake is even worse.

Jane Patrick's farewell letter is just a heartbreak. It's amazing how the screenwriters have humanized Jane Patrick here: in the novel, his dark side and frightening terms of exchange for desires seem much more cruel, but here we see his vulnerability.

And the way Jane Jr., who once fearlessly approached Jane Patrick for his soccer ball, ignoring all the warnings of the campus, is now living this drama is very catchy.

Now we are waiting for the next episode together, holding our breath and hoping that the scriptwriters will spare our nerves and the minor characters too.🫂

@HaiLouYin: At that moment, my heart broke into small pieces again...

@NastyaM999: Yeah... even my cold heart trembled 🥺🥺