s01e03 — OutKast

It's a little early for the filler series to be launched. Hal appeared at the very end and it was the best moment of the episode, and John's backstory could have been told much faster without wasting such time.. I hope that they will continue to develop the plot and do without gluing with flashbacks, because for an 8-episode season this is an unacceptable luxury.

I liked this episode the most of all so far, the story of John's childhood was told coolly, and it was interesting to see how Hall contributed to the dismissal and almost destruction of John's family.
I just thought at first that his father was so strict and I was chasing him, but then my mother wasn't all at home, the main thing was to wake my father up so that he could shoot an apple, and then I got up shaking like I don't know who.
There are few special effects and action, but the series went off with a bang, everything is better than the previous one.

I'm being bombarded with minuses again, but I don't care - this episode is just the apotheosis of the agenda in person. And on such serious cheeks that it looks like a parody.
"Do you even know what it's like to ask a black person in America if he's scared? Even up there, you don't care about us."
Afiget! Well, yes, aliens from outer space, who had seen millions of worlds and hundreds of thousands of species, had to fly to the edge of the galaxy, see blacks and such: "Wow, you're special!"
- Did they say why they didn't choose me?
- They said some bullshit about the imperfection of the system.
Indeed, this is why blacks are not hired, and not because a man did not meet the "do not be afraid" selection criteria.
And everything is so serious and so in person that nothing but laughter causes. And the top of the absurdity is that the series is written by white men.

Hal Jordan became a lantern because white is privileged ahhahahaha

God, forgive me if I don't know the Lord and the Green Lantern very well, but the series is just boring. The blacks were offended that they did not become a Green Lantern, because they are the best and they should be the only ones🤦♂️I have nothing against blacks, but it's like he's privileged and you're not. You're cooler than them because you're black, what the hell?

The guess about John's father turned out to be true, but who knew that Mom would become the center of insanity. Although, as parents, they weren't bad at all in the end, I expected the worst after the start. It is clear that many viewers will be triggered by the topic of the struggle for a place among blacks, but as the guardian has shown, these are purely local problems of our planet, you can not get rid of this, if the events in America, then blacks were thinking about this recognition.

The guardians themselves are kind of murky, spending so much time courting the next candidates (and besides John, there was at least one other option in the room) breaks the very meaning of being naturally chosen by character. And it would have been fine if Hal had broken the system, disappointed them over time or after the conflict with Sinestro, but she came to apologize with a diamond right away. Apologize for what? The ring felt fear, and flew away to the next one. Maybe they don't like the emotional range of the human race, so they need a well-mannered soldier on a leash next. Meanwhile, Guy Gardner 😈

It feels very strange from the series. On the one hand, John has a very cool origin. They showed him how he was raised. They showed how his father almost got drunk because he failed the test. It was all very interesting.

On the other hand, we have a mom who talks about black rights in America. Yes, they had problems. Yes, it was during this time period that they began to somehow get out of this shit. But it's being served right on the forehead, as if that's the only reason why he didn't become a lantern.

Another thing that made me uneasy was this interview at the very end. Hal is also to blame for the fact that John's family is shit (unfortunately, his father failed the test himself). And it's Hal's fault that John didn't shoot the guy (he had three chances that he didn't take). And anyway, it's all Hal's fault, "yeah".

I liked the series as a whole. And it's cool, and the narration is very interesting, and the actors are good. But of course there are a couple of comments.

Gray Wolf, halo jump, тайга. Infant terrible. Это точно не экранизация MGS?

I won't say that the episode flew by unnoticed. But overall, I liked the way the story was wrapped up.
However, at the beginning of the first episode, they teased how his childhood passed, and this slightly removes the shock moment from this series.
The main thing is that now the backstory is over and you can focus on the story itself.

The ending with the revelation of Hal, of course, just broke)

Where is it without one of the modern agendas? It didn't feel tangible, people wrote before, but after this episode everything fell into place!
PS: Hell is a stranger even more than I thought! I reviewed Lanterns 2011 and there he is a beginner!

It's funny that first the mother talks about how her black people are oppressed in America in 2016, and then, as a test, she takes the child to a classic black neighborhood.

The series is very good, the actors play well, the production, the restrained music in the background to the beat of the series, and in general they told everything, and most importantly— the woman from the Ozarks, the actress, of course, is a legend!

But there are a lot of claims too:

First, there are racial issues. I have no doubt that blacks in the United States and beyond did not have a very good life back then, to put it mildly, as there is no doubt that many of them still live with constant background anxiety.

But! Firstly, a lot of these worries are exaggerated by those who shout loudly about such troubles, and this, unfortunately, is the case.

And secondly, specifically at the moments when the main characters start talking about racial issues, it sounds extremely lifeless. Mb, someone says that, but hardly most people, even within the family, communicate in everyday life exactly the way they do here. They seem to be reading out slogans or quotes from textbooks, but they don't speak their everyday phrases.

Secondly, the next psychotherapeutic and childish traumatism.

I will not even speak specifically here and specifically now in my own words, I will turn to the same evidence-based science.

And in recent years, she has moved away, and quite seriously, from the theme that a bad family and a bad childhood rigidly determine the rest of her life.

The human psyche, says today's science, has plasticity, and if it didn't exist, then absolutely all of humanity would have lived in endless fear due to mental injuries dating back to ancient times, when both children and adults lived a life of horror.

Not to mention that today literally anything falls under the concept of psychotrauma — mom looked the wrong way, it means injury, fell off a bike and scratched her knee, psychotrauma, etc.

It is predispositions that rule the ball, and it is the innate potential of a person that deterministically determines in which way a person's life will take place.

Childhood and family certainly play a role, and it is huge, no doubt, but it is not given a decisive role, it is just one of the stages of life, and what is called childhood traumas in many cases simply becomes a part of life, and a person lives on.

I don't condone bad parents and a difficult childhood, but the fact remains that they don't define a person, and the same bad family will eventually produce completely different people with different reactions and so on, because they are initially different people.

Unfortunately, it is in Gunn's cinematic universe that the ideas of total psychotherapy, child trauma and elaboration in the therapist's office play too much of a role — in "Peacemaker", in "Superman", and now here.

On the one hand, there is a sense of nobility here, because if childhood and parents are to blame for everything, then no one is bad, and everyone can be reformed.

But this completely ignores the fundamental foundation of man in the form of millions of years of evolution, genetics, heredity, personal predispositions of a person, what connections his consciousness makes, etc.

A criminal can grow out of a happy family. A humanitarian can grow out of a dysfunctional one. A family of Myshows fans can grow up to be a person who has watched all these movies and TV shows in general.)

A person can and should, for the sake of his own well-being, take responsibility for his own existence on himself, learn about himself and understand as much as possible based on his own predispositions, without other people's thoughts, imposed concepts and trends of science, which still changes over the years, often also to meet the needs of the ruling community.

So with all due respect to "Lanterns", it is precisely these aspects in this series that are, of course, fierce crap, which, although in some ways it has a place to be, is not universal, not one hundred percent and, most importantly, is not a verdict.

Therefore, when the Guardian calls parenting programming, she is mistaken. Consciousness is not a program at all, just like the brain and the person himself as a whole is not a computer, and it is impossible to program a person with education, the inside will still look out.

The same Americans and Soviet scientists tried it in the last century, but it didn't work out)

In general, even without all this, John's relatives are still dried fruits...

And Hal is also a beauty, he must protect the entire planet, but he actually stands on the side of a single state.

And, by the way, if he knows the bureaucrats from the American Ministry of Defense, he won't enlist the support of the government in that small town. Or he won't turn to Superman for help...

Although the series is a filler, I liked John's development and the story of his fate)

I wish all allergy sufferers of the day to stop torturing themselves and quit the series on this episode.

Give a five-year-old colored pencils
Give a five-year-old a gun ✔

It's strange that John still grew up normal

John's good origin, after which it becomes a pity for his broken childhood and the reason why he became a vegan is understandable, it was a reward for knocking down apples with bullets from his head where he showed no fear, he was already sick of cheeseburgers and most likely it was a psychological trauma for life. I was also surprised that everyone thought from the beginning that John's crazy father started training him because of a missed opportunity, but John's mother played the biggest role in this. Yes, now many people will start writing about the WHISTLE, the blacks say that they were humiliated and do not notice. Well, first of all, John's father was chosen and he would have become a lantern, but for absolutely understandable reasons, are you afraid to answer the question? he replied yes. Secondly, according to John, his father does not hold anger or hatred against Hal Jordon himself. Well, the third most important thing is that Stewart's black parents themselves are shown as absolutely not ideal parents (especially the mother) who love their son, but in fact they deprived him of a normal childhood, normal relations with his brothers, and all because they were obsessed with the goal of making him a green lantern at all costs. For this reason, these conversations about the agenda that I've been sick of for 10 years about and without, in this particular case, look to me like pulling an owl on a well-known subject.

The horror is terrible. The worst series of three with a huge margin. Firstly, all these flashbacks could be reduced by 2 times in terms of timing. And secondly, do not allocate a whole series for them, but simply schedule them within the season for 5 minutes per episode. It would be much more organic. And then the topic of racism came up so ridiculously and clumsily head-on that I was hit by a facepalm.

Well, John's parents. Both are good, one failed the test and let's get hysterical, and the other got so crazy on the streetlight ring that little John was thrown out of the car in the most deprived area of the city, and even at night., and also called it "training." klaas. And how John still grew up normal. As it is, the series is not bad.

Well, that is, the parents just traumatized the dude all his childhood and he grew up healthy, purposeful and adequate.

John was finally properly revealed, and the story turned out to be interesting. However, it was possible to make it shorter.
And Hal 's appearance at the end is straight 💥💣

We've already said enough about black racism and white privilege. It is sad to see, of course, another inappropriate interweaving of the agenda. I just don't understand the reason for my parents' shaking. why did they dream of making a candidate for lanterns out of a larvae, if people found out about their existence recently and didn't promise any obvious bonuses here, besides, they don't even know what the cons, advantages, and pitfalls of this position are. In addition to the banal fact that the obviously emotionally unstable yazhmama decided that her son was the best boy in the world.

A super series that makes you think about raising a child!

The idea that John's father did not become a Lantern because he is black and his experience in certain conditions taught him to be afraid, and Hal became because he is a white jerk who does not know fear in a carefree life, has a place to be. But then the ring superficially selects candidates, following the principle: "dementia and courage." And Guy fits into this principle, by the way. Besides, this idea is illogical: wouldn't a person who is accustomed to privileges, when faced with their absence, be even more afraid? Going further, the idea of privileges is a losing one in the long run: let's say a man with the attitude that the whole world owes him and who easily gets what he wants, because of privileges, receives enormous power and treats it as due. However, his strength is overwhelming for the time being, sooner or later he will face a threat that will be stronger than him, and then he will need a will that he does not have, he only has empty self-confidence. Shouldn't the ring anticipate this?Can the will develop in a person who has not gone through difficulties, who does not know what fear is? The guardians want to replace Hal, but the ring chose him, and I believe it's for a reason.
So far, we have only been shown the view of John's parents on the situation (formed under the influence of a specific context). We are waiting for Hal's side to be shown, we don't know much about him at all, and it's too early to accept the opinion of John's parents as the main idea of the show's creators, while it's all very interesting, but vague.

the vibe of the training day is felt on the contrary

Or maybe just become a Negro
Black, like the bitterest chocolate

No problem, but I'll speak out. It's just a series of rygalovo subpoenas. It's as if the dark-skinned people have beaten out a place in the lanterns with their agenda, and it looks like a circus. The aliens fell for it, they show us that even up there they are tolerant of them))) one laugh at a time. It's like the author is burning up over it all. If so, then ok. If it's serious, then it's a PPC

one son was singled out, injured. The other two were left out and also injured. The best parents . Long live tolerance

The very idea that you can become a lantern, as they say, and supposedly those who have no fear become it, breaks everything. Hal's original story is cool and logical. And this is some kind of bullshit. According to this logic, was Spider-Man also a White privileged? Or is Batman a white millionaire, and Iron Man? Poor dark-skinned people. They even staked out a place among the lanterns for you.

I had a lot of questions while watching the episode, but the main one is, where is the child protection service looking? A lot has already been said about the summons and the "extraordinary" parenting methods from John's family. I really hope that John's family's point of view will not be the ultimate truth and that we will be shown a different view of these events (but I doubt it very much). As amazing as it is, it's literally Hell's fault that he's better suited for the job. It's just amazing, even if we accept the fact that, apparently, all blacks are afraid when living in the USA, unlike whites, then even then Hull is still better suited for this job (lack of fear is a prerequisite for this job, and why should guards care why some candidates have it Do you have, but others don't? It's not their problem at all), and that's why he got it. And in the eyes of John's family, his father should have been chosen simply because he was black and didn't care that he wasn't suitable, because life was harder for him. It's like setting up a running competition and awarding the victory not to the one who runs the distance faster, but to the one-legged one, and that he is much slower, but it's harder for him. John's father is a jerk and a loser. Yes, they didn't choose him, yes, it hurts him, but instead of getting over it and moving on, he gets hung up on it and starts to ruin his life, his family's life, and as a result, because his wife (whose place is in a mental hospital) offers to raise their son to be a robot, he ruins him too. life, starting from childhood, depriving him of choice, childhood, happiness and everything else. And the father doesn't even try to object to this psychopath. And at the moment when John was eating grass in Kamchatka for 9 months, and then Hell just flew in and solved the problem in 15 seconds, I laughed. It was brilliant, Hell is again to blame for just doing the job faster than our "chosen" John (yes, because he has a ring, but what difference does it make if the result is achieved).

The family of dark green lanterns, of course, has its own atmosphere with firearms, and that's all.

A stupid episode about a family of freaks. All this could be done in 5 minutes.
At the end, Outkast plays, heh.

On this scene, I thought the episode would go the other way altogether! In the first episode, it felt like John's dad was completely crazy, but here's a twist, Mom is even crazier, and shooting apples from her head was her idea. An interesting insight is that racial inequality is a real psychological trauma that is passed down through the generations. In this case, the injury has a face — Hal Jordan.
From the point of view of John's parents, this is a white privileged asshole who stole a job from a black man simply because he was lucky not to know fear.
From John's point of view, this is a man who stole his childhood and career from him (but also because of him he went into art, which led to his ability to create projections).
From Hal's point of view, John is a punishment for his indiscipline and recklessness. Someone wrote that this is a filler series, but this is a huge context in their relationship, which is built on hatred, while they both have a lot to learn from each other. I assume that Hal will have to learn discipline at some point, and John will have to listen not to orders, but to himself. Maybe that's why he didn't get the ring after 10 years?
​The rap scene in the car is the most touching, John could be both happy and proud for his parents, but neither his parents nor the Guards wished him happiness. It's funny how the Guardian came to apologize for the father's injury, and in the end indirectly led to the injury of the child.

People are not programmed, they are educated.
I don't see the difference.
But she is.

John the Talking Bird - It looks like he liked me 😅
The experience in the life of a small child is counted, the parents, of course, had to make difficult decisions, and the child's life was seriously shaken, it's even a pity for this not too happy boy.

Well, despite the fact that the canon was partially changed, the essence remained roughly, and the series was interesting - it looked cheerful, but, my God, when the stories about poor blacks from the mouth of a crazy mother began, I felt, even with my vaccination to the agenda in the series, I wanted to rewind these moments - so clumsy and far-fetched for It looked good..

I see comments about the summons, maybe I'm a jerk, but I liked the parenting scenes, it was sincerely submitted! And it's funny when John was happily walking home, and there was Hal the jerk who caused such a moment. Bitch, I don't give a fuck what you were hoping for and I don't need a fucking sidekick, he's a treasure!!!

A good example of how to project your unfulfilled wishes onto a child...

Not only is the series literally a filler, its entire origin could be revealed by conversations between the characters. But it's difficult, it's necessary to write a script. So John, another good representative of the Earth, was turned into some kind of crazy sectarian. I really don't want to look any further, Lindelof, fuck you already.

in the first 2 episodes, the agenda was more or less tolerable. but this is clearly overkill. It's a pity, I really liked the beginning. I don't even know if I should drop it now, because I like Hela's line.

And I liked the series. At least it became clear why Stuart was immune to Hal's selfishness and narcissism. But I feel sorry for him as a child. They were afraid that the father would go as a cuckoo, and the mother left. At the age of five, giving away weapons instead of pencils is a tin thing, of course.

I always write about the agenda and all that, if you want to fool around, I have 100 comments about the agenda, but I didn't notice it in this series.
Although other commentators called me a fascist.
It's purely historical
I liked it, it's a shame for John.
It's more about the fact that the parents didn't work out and they send their children to all sorts of sections, where they didn't succeed.
A good series

I hope this series will have a series a la "God enters the bar", like the Guardians of the same Lindelof. Anyone who watched the above-mentioned series knows how this series blew the brain with a shot of all guns at once.

Wow, in general, I could have grown up to be a protege of Atrocitus, but it was worth it 😂

The series is simply amazing in terms of screenwriting and drama within the framework of the chosen concept of the series.

These are the beaten-up parents of the little one...

Везет же создателям сериала что расизм почему то, только одного цвета))
Прав был Платон: "Нет более жестокого господина, чем бывший раб"

Ребят, че вас бесят проблемы темнокожих в Америке))

Как будто поговорить больше не о чем...

Классное воспитание, если бы всех так воспитывали

Чуть не уснул

I'm tired of discussing the topic of the agenda in the comments.. It seems to me that some people don't even fully understand the meaning of this word and call everything related to black people, women, etc. a subpoena. In this series, the story is mostly from the perspective of a black family. Of course, it will be dedicated to their problems, difficulties, thoughts, and so on. And I don't understand what's wrong with that?) The mother expresses her feeling about the world's attitude towards them (and it's partly true). And since this series is about the formation of a black hero, it seems appropriate here. Well, it's not just dark-skinned people in our world who complain about fate and consider themselves deprived. There are also many TV series and films about this (and even here this topic was partly touched upon in previous episodes, but then for some reason no one wrote about the agenda).
It's a shame, in general, that behind these searches, people don't notice a well-written origin.
And the Guardians chose John not because of his skin color, but because of his character, skills, and discipline. Well, that's right, if someone thinks that the aliens fell for the agenda :)

The best series of three, the characters are perfectly shown, the story is well and intelligently told. There are no subpoenas, despite the whining in the comments) Bro, a loser black woman is scolding you for a subpoena, of course she's unhappy with the system and wants to blame all the failures on anything but her own failure. It's just human nature. All the thoughts expressed are suitable for the characters who expressed them. This is called good screenwriting, friends...

When Germans said they were the best because they were Germans, it was racist.
When blacks say that they are the best because they are blacks, it magically turns out to be a struggle against racism.
Well, it's such a mess to look into the furnace.

To be honest, I don't understand the meaning of this series. We were told everything we needed to know in a short episode where John was placed against a wall with an apple. By God, I didn't learn anything new from the series. But besides the fact that parents would rather raise a maniac in this way than a lantern) And I don't understand this at all. We're black, they don't notice us. You literally have all the rights in your country. At the time of these words, blacks occupy a bunch of the highest positions in the government. In 2009, Obama became president altogether. And of course, it's hard to imagine a worse representation of a black person) We have Jordan here, the pilot, but there are no random people there. He's become a lantern, and he's doing his duty properly. He's also a cheerful and lively guy who can get drunk and play politics under the influence. And on the other hand, a family of lunatics. A father who is a spineless weakling. I peed in my pants and swelled up from the guard's visit. And a mother who makes a child get shot because it's getting harder for blacks and they don't notice. They're just finished!!!) if I had my way, I would never have taken John as a lantern)

And people on serious topics here write about "black people's problems again" and so on?
Is it okay that John's mother was living at the crossroads of a time when blacks had a million problems and when it started to subside? And now she wants to see her dreams in the face of her son?
And then they also show the conflict between John and Hall due to the fact that they want to replace Hall, fearing that he will turn into a second Sinestro.
They show you one thing, you see another for some reason

Thank God it wasn't often repeated in this series how black people are being discriminated against. I don't like this topic.

I thought his dad was crazy, but his mom broke all the records. To be honest, I didn't quite understand the tone of the series, the feeling that they were being vindicated. Like they lived in fear, you know why, so they bullied their son to make him strong. Two sick psychos.

They're shooting at apples on their heads, but where are the bullet holes in the wall? Or the apple stops the bullet.😆

Where a man is looking for help, a woman saw only benefits. Oh, I'm sorry that our system is not perfect, and your husband went crazy, here's a diamond for you, and a social contract that you will raise a fearless warrior for us by breaking his psyche and making him crazy. And not because your people's rights are being violated and you will become the first black superhero. Fuck, it's just fucked up. Here's a story about childhood, which is really the worst motivation I've ever seen, why did he decide to become a superhero. My parents imposed some kind of purpose, drummed it into me to be without Fucking, and now the ring is inherited as a devoted one. I thought the whole story would be done differently. The father only wanted a confession so that they would believe him, and the mother immediately redrawn everything into a favorable situation for herself, fucked up

At the Kamchatka resort.

"Son, aren't you going to be an American Marine?"
I've
been living here for 60 years, and I've never seen a black man in Kamchatka...

P.S. I am not the author, but the joke is too painful...

I don't understand why everyone is so underestimating the rating of this episode, but if you look at it from the outside, it's a great episode. We were told the story of John, his training, his family, his father's injury and striving for the best for his son... albeit by imposing his expectations and problems on him. It's a very cool episode, especially at the moment with the blue bosses, how they think and evaluate candidates) Overall, I like how both Hell and John play, both interesting and unique characters.

They seem to have confused fearlessness with stupidity. Extremely dumb episode)